mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Yann Cohen
Bonjour,

Je suis en tarin de faire la mise de proxmox en mettant une debian en
version 7.0.

Je suis partie du script de proxmox, mais il semble que la configuration
de départ ne soit pas optimum...

Ma dernière erreur en date est la suivante :
root@proxmox-1:~# apt-get -f --force-yes install
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances   
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
Correction des dépendances... Fait
Les paquets suivants ont été installés automatiquement et ne sont plus
nécessaires :
  fuse-utils libapache2-mod-apreq2 libapache2-request-perl libapreq2
libboost-thread1.42.0 libdbi0 libfont-freetype-perl
  libfontenc1 libpython2.6 libqb libreadline5 libsvga1 libx86-1
libxcb-render-util0 libxfont1 xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils
Veuillez utiliser « apt-get autoremove » pour les supprimer.
Les paquets supplémentaires suivants seront installés : 
  redhat-cluster-pve
Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés :
  redhat-cluster-pve
0 mis à jour, 1 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
20 partiellement installés ou enlevés.
Il est nécessaire de prendre 0 o/660 ko dans les archives.
Après cette opération, 1 645 ko d'espace disque supplémentaires seront
utilisés.
Souhaitez-vous continuer [O/n] ? 
(Lecture de la base de données... 60388 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Dépaquetage de redhat-cluster-pve (à partir
de .../redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb) ...
dpkg: erreur de traitement
de /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb
(--unpack) :
 tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib/libdlm_lt.so.3.0 », qui
appartient aussi au paquet libdlm3 3.0.12-3.2+deb7u2
dpkg-deb : erreur : le sous-processus coller a été tué par le signal
(Relais brisé (pipe))
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


En gros comment forcer apt à passer à travers ce problème ?

Merci.

Yann.

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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Bzzz
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:40 +0200
Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:

  tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib/libdlm_lt.so.3.0 », qui
 appartient aussi au paquet libdlm3 3.0.12-3.2+deb7u2

apt-get remove --purge libdlm3 ?

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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Le 22 août 2013, Bzzz a écrit :

 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:40 +0200
 Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:
 
   tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib/libdlm_lt.so.3.0 », qui
  appartient aussi au paquet libdlm3 3.0.12-3.2+deb7u2
 
 apt-get remove --purge libdlm3 ?
 

ou bien, plus simplement :
apt-get purge libdlm3
mais c'est un détail.

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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Yann Cohen


Le jeudi 22 août 2013 à 17:28 +0200, Bzzz a écrit : 
 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:40 +0200
 Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:
 
   tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib/libdlm_lt.so.3.0 », qui
  appartient aussi au paquet libdlm3 3.0.12-3.2+deb7u2
 
 apt-get remove --purge libdlm3 ?

Pas mieux...

root@proxmox-1:~# apt-get remove --purge libdlm3
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances   
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
Vous pouvez lancer « apt-get -f install » pour corriger ces problèmes :
Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites :
clvm : Dépend: redhat-cluster-pve mais ne sera pas installé
fence-agents-pve : Dépend: redhat-cluster-pve mais ne sera pas installé
pve-manager : Dépend: redhat-cluster-pve mais ne sera pas installé
qemu-server : Dépend: redhat-cluster-pve mais ne sera pas installé
resource-agents-pve : Dépend: redhat-cluster-pve mais ne sera pas
installé
E: Dépendances non satisfaites. Essayez « apt-get -f install » sans
paquet
(ou indiquez une solution).


root@proxmox-1:~# apt-get -f install
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances   
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
Correction des dépendances... Fait
Les paquets suivants ont été installés automatiquement et ne sont plus
nécessaires :
  fuse-utils libapache2-mod-apreq2 libapache2-request-perl libapreq2
libboost-thread1.42.0 libdbi0 libfont-freetype-perl
  libfontenc1 libpython2.6 libqb libreadline5 libsvga1 libx86-1
libxcb-render-util0 libxfont1 xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils
Veuillez utiliser « apt-get autoremove » pour les supprimer.
Les paquets supplémentaires suivants seront installés : 
  redhat-cluster-pve
Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés :
  redhat-cluster-pve
0 mis à jour, 1 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
20 partiellement installés ou enlevés.
Il est nécessaire de prendre 0 o/660 ko dans les archives.
Après cette opération, 1 645 ko d'espace disque supplémentaires seront
utilisés.
Souhaitez-vous continuer [O/n] ? 
(Lecture de la base de données... 60388 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Dépaquetage de redhat-cluster-pve (à partir
de .../redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb) ...
dpkg: erreur de traitement
de /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb
(--unpack) :
tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib/libdlm_lt.so.3.0 », qui
appartient aussi au paquet libdlm3 3.0.12-3.2+deb7u2
dpkg-deb : erreur : le sous-processus coller a été tué par le signal
(Relais brisé (pipe))
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
/var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-pve_3.2.0-2_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

 
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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Bzzz
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:08:08 +0200
Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:

 Pas mieux...

As-tu essayé de relancer plusieurs fois ces Cdes?

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Re: wheezy brasero dvd

2013-08-22 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Le 14 août 2013, Johnny B a écrit :

 Le 08/14/2013 12:48 PM, nono a écrit :
  bonjour (encore moi)
 
  J'ai eu des soucis pour graver (copier) un dvd.
 
  Bref, c'est le même soucis qu'ici :
  http://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?pid=45652
 
  Heureusement la solution y est, il suffit d'installer brasero-cdrkit
 
  Ma question est :
  Pourquoi un outil de gravure comme brasero
  OU
  Pourquoi debian n'a pas fait le choix d'installer ce paquet par défaut
  avec brasero ?
 
  Un outil de gravure ne pouvant grave par défaut est plutôt un drôle de
  concept non ?
 
 Salut,
 
 Je n'ai jamais rencontré ce problème autant sur une wheezy que sur ma 
 testing..
 
 Tu t'es basé sur une netinstall wheezy ?
 

Et bien, moi, je n'ai eu que des problèmes et j'ai déclaré plusieurs
bogues. Peut-être liés à ma vieille carte-mère mais le reste de Debian y
fonctionne à merveille. Alors ?

Brasero est considéré par certains développeurs comme mal maintenu.
Moi je le boycotte depuis longtemps.

Pour les experts, il vaut mieux utiliser xorriso, une vrai bête... de
complexité vu ses possibilités de configuration. Mais il semble
bien stable et pourtant il utilise la même bibliothèque que Brasero,
je crois. Donc à éviter pour les débutants.

Pour tous, growisofs est très stable, conseillé pour les DVD. Wodim
aussi.
Pour les adeptes de la souris ou autre tactiles : K3B est le meilleur,
normal, il utilise les outils déjà cités.
XFburn est trop limité pour moi.

Je grave aussi, assez souvent des DVD.
Ah, le stockage numérique à perpète... DVD ? Clé USB, disque dur ?
clous, euh non Claoudes ;) ? cartes perforées ? papier et crayon
autres ?

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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Yann Cohen


Le jeudi 22 août 2013 à 19:12 +0200, Bzzz a écrit : 
 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:08:08 +0200
 Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:
 
  Pas mieux...
 
 As-tu essayé de relancer plusieurs fois ces Cdes?

Oui. (version courte)

En fait le point de départ est le script de migration proposé par
proxmox.

En gros il fait :
- une mise à jour de squeeze,
- un replacement des squeeze par wheezy dans le sources.list
- une mise à jour
- et d'autre chose que je n'ai pas réussi à cerner car planté avant...

Le pb premier est une incompatibilité similaire résolue par un remove du
paquet et un peu plus...

Ensuite le remplacement de wheezy n'avait pas été fait dans le
répertoire source.list.d où j'ai mis un proxmox.list.
Je l'ai fait à la main...
J'ai relancé le script plusieurs fois, jusqu'à tomber sur le dernier pb
évoqué.

La relance des commandes apt-get directement même comme elles le sont
dans script perl de migration n'ont pas résolu le pb...


 
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Re: mise à jour proxmox suite à une mise à jour squeeze wheezy

2013-08-22 Thread Bzzz
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:22:34 +0200
Yann Cohen y...@ianco.org wrote:

  As-tu essayé de relancer plusieurs fois ces Cdes?
 
 Oui. (version courte)
 
 Ensuite le remplacement de wheezy n'avait pas été fait dans le
 répertoire source.list.d où j'ai mis un proxmox.list.
 Je l'ai fait à la main...
 J'ai relancé le script plusieurs fois, jusqu'à tomber sur le
 dernier pb évoqué.

Ben wai mais justement les migrations dans les règles évitent
en Gal ce type de PB.
 
Me rappelle plus comment j'ai fais la dernière fois que j'ai 
eu ce PB, soit un --force-qqchose, soit une élimination manuelle
des fichiers avec une modif du script postrm du package pour qu'il
croit recevoir systématiquement une bonne réponse.

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Noyau : compil or not compil ?

2013-08-22 Thread zulian

Bonjour,


Il fut un temps ou je compilais à la main mes noyaux à partir des sources.

Maintenant je charge un simple paquet comme : linux-image-3.10-1-amd64 

Est-ce que charger une image  plutôt que de compiler son noyau à un impact 
quelconque ?

Cela dois prendre un poil de mémoire en plus. 
Mais sinon y a  t-il d'autres des conséquences ?

Charge des cpu ?

... ? 

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Re: Noyau : compil or not compil ?

2013-08-22 Thread Bzzz
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:24:23 +0200
zulian zul...@free.fr wrote:

 Est-ce que charger une image  plutôt que de compiler son noyau à
 un impact quelconque ?
 
 Cela dois prendre un poil de mémoire en plus. 
 Mais sinon y a  t-il d'autres des conséquences ?

En dehors de modules chargés pas vraiment indispensables,
rien de grave.

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Problema con KDE y/o LXDE en Debian 6 al cambiar a modo consola y volver al modo gráfico

2013-08-22 Thread ciracusa

No llegan mis mensajes a la lista?

:(



Hola Lista.

Les dejo una consulta, en una instalación nueva -recién estrenada- le 
instalé a Debian 6.0 el KDE y me ocurría que al hacer desde el modo 
gráfico ctrl f1 para ir al modo consola, cuando volvía al modo gráfico 
con ctrl f7 se freezaba la pantalla y el equipo se terminaba reiniciando.


Para ver si era un problema de KDE le instalé LXDE, y me sucede lo mismo.

Alguien sabe cual puede ser el problema o bien como buscar por donde 
viene la cuestión, ya que la instalación de ambos paquetes gráficos no 
me han dado ningún error o advertencia?


Muchas Gracias.

Saludos.



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Re: Problema con KDE y/o LXDE en Debian 6 al cambiar a modo consola y volver al modo gráfico

2013-08-22 Thread Sergio D . Gómez

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:30:15 -0300, ciracusa wrote:

No llegan mis mensajes a la lista?

:(


Si, llegan.
Saludos.


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Re: [OT] Duda siguiendo curso: Caracteres de escape

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:23:04 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 El 21/08/13 16:41, Camaleón escribió:
 
 Eh, pero el ejercicio es para que lo hagas tú.
 
 Ya, lo he hecho, pero no comprendo las salidas. Alguna que otra creo que
 si, pero me pierdo con tantas 
 
 Con echo -e \n veo que solo muestra una n 

Correcto, aquí el carácter \ está siendo interpretado por el intérprete 
de comandos (bash) que usa la barra invertida como indicador de escape. 
No actúa la opción -e porque \n no está entrecomillado y bash no lo 
interpreta como una cadena por lo que mantiene el valor literal del 
siguiente carácter, en este caso la letra n.

Si asignas valores a una variable se entiende mejor:

sm01@stt008:~$ test=hola; echo -e $test; echo -e \$test
hola
$test

Al poner delante \ el carácter $ pierde su función (valor de 
variable), y verás que en este ejemplo es indiferente el uso del 
modificador -e.

 Con echo -e \\n entiendo que interpreta \n, que es un INTRO, es decir,
 línea nueva, pero a partir de ahí, me pierdo. 

Pues básicamente es lo mismo, pero aquí ya entra en juego la opción -e: 
bash interpreta la primera barra invertida como carácter de escape y  
debería modificar el comportamiento de la segunda pero no lo hace porque 
se trata de un indicador de nueva línea (\n), y este caso es 
precisamente una excepción.

 Y ni aún viendo lo que hace la shell con set -x, lo pillo.

Sirve para depurar los scripts que se ejecutan para ver lo que sucede 
tras las bambalinas (ver qué valores toma una variable en tiempo de 
ejecución, detectar bucles mal cerrados o errores de programación, 
etc...), nada más.

Por ejemplo:

sm01@stt008:~$ set -x; echo -e \n; echo -e \\n; echo fin
+ set -x
+ echo -e n
n
+ echo -e '\n'


+ echo fin
fin

Puedes apreciar cómo interpreta bash el combo \n en cada caso (primero 
lo ignora y después lo toma como literal y ejecuta la nueva línea).

 Lo del set -x es sólo para que veas lo que realmente está ejecutando
 el intérprete, nada más.
 
 Ya, pero sigo sin comprender el resultado...

¿Mejor? :-)

Aunque oye, yo tampoco soy gurú de bash, siempre tengo que estar mirando 
manuales cuando quiero escribir una simple línea de código, así que lo 
que he explicado más arriba es el modo simplón, conviene consultar 
siempre documentación acreditada:

http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/index.html#SEC_Contents

 Te daré sólo una pista: comillas simples, comillas dobles, significado.
 
 Con las comillas simples se interpreta todo tal cual está escrito, es
 decir, la shell no expande nada.
 
 Con las comillas dobles, no se interpretan el asterisco (*), la
 interrogación (?) ni espacios en blanco, pero si lo hacen $, las
 comillas graves (`) y otros.

Sí, por ahí va la cosa.

 Pero antes de nada conviene ejecutar un echo $SHELL.
 
 edurios@debian:~$ echo $SHELL 
 /bin/bash 
 edurios@debian:~$

Vale, porque cada shell (incluso la misma shell pero distintas versiones) 
puede usar su propias opciones/configuraciones y lo que sirve para una no 
está disponible en otra.

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Re: Problema con KDE y/o LXDE en Debian 6 al cambiar a modo consola y volver al modo gráfico

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:21:02 -0300, ciracusa escribió:

 Les dejo una consulta, en una instalación nueva -recién estrenada- le
 instalé a Debian 6.0 el KDE y me ocurría que al hacer desde el modo
 gráfico ctrl f1 para ir al modo consola, cuando volvía al modo gráfico
 con ctrl f7 se freezaba la pantalla y el equipo se terminaba
 reiniciando.

Supongo que quieres decir que al no responder el sistemam tú mismo 
(manualmente) reiniciabas el equipo ¿no?
 
 Para ver si era un problema de KDE le instalé LXDE, y me sucede lo
 mismo.
 
 Alguien sabe cual puede ser el problema o bien como buscar por donde
 viene la cuestión, ya que la instalación de ambos paquetes gráficos no
 me han dado ningún error o advertencia?

Puede ser el driver de la tarjeta gráfica. ¿Qué tarjeta tienes y qué 
driver usas?

A falta de más información (p. ej., el registro del servidor Xorg que 
tienes en /var/log/Xorg.*.log, podría ser útil), intenta iniciar el 
sistema con el KMS desactivado a ver si notas alguna mejoría.

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Re: problema con adjuntos [SOLUCIONADO]

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:40:07 -0400, Jorge Pérez escribió:

 El 21/08/2013 9:24: am, Camaleón escribió:
 El Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:55:40 -0400, Jorge Pérez escribió:

 ahora probando todo desde 0 he detectado(creo) que el problema lo está
 dando el altermime(lo uso para la firma de los correos) porque lo
 deshabilite y todo a la perfección, si lo habilito y envío un adjunto
 sin texto los clientes(webmail y thunderbird) lo reconocen bien, pero
 si envío un adjunto y además le agrego texto me hace lo mismo y no lo
 muestra.

 (...)

 Si buscas en Google¹ verás que no eres el único con este problema. Por
 ejemplo, uno de los muchos artículos que hay sobre esto:

 Attachments missing with altermime and postfix
 http://mcmlxxii.co.uk/2010/11/09/attachments-missing-with-altermime-
and-postfix/

 ¹ Palabra clave altermime postfix attachments

 Saludos,

 no tengo acceso a eso (Google) :(
 de todas formas lo solucione de esta forma:
 a los mensajes(tanto disclaimer_html.txt como disclaimer_txt.txt) les
 tuve que agregar unas líneas en blanco(2) al final y todo funcionó como
 la seda.
 jejeje nada que un simple detallito me tenia fundio Espero le sirva a
 al alguien que se quiera aventurar en esto de los disclaimer

Eso mismo es lo que explicaban en el artículo ;-)

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Re: [OT] Buenas prácticas con GPG y el e-mail

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:45:18 -0300, Francisco Del Roio escribió:

 Estoy comenzando a utilizar GPG con mi cliente de correo y quisiera
 saber si me pueden recomendar buenas prácticas para darle un buen uso a
 esta herramienta.

Okis.
 
 Tengo algunas preguntas que quisiera me respondan:
 
 1. ¿Es recomendable firmar siempre los mensajes?

Firmar, sí.

Si el receptor no dispone de un cliente que interprete la firma GPG verá 
un adjunto raro en el correo y poco más.

Si la firma es inline (como la que mandas ahora) pues nada, aparece lo 
que vemos todos en el cuerpo del mensaje, y quien quiera comprobar si el 
correo proviene de ti y no ha sido alterado pues ya se las apañará para 
hacerlo.

Cifrar... psé. Sólo si el destinatario sabe qué hacer con un correo 
cifrado.

 2. ¿Es recomendable siempre adjuntar mi clave pública?

Los destinatarios la necesitan para poder validar el mensaje.

 3. ¿De qué manera ponen a salvo sus claves privadas?

Aquí no te puedo decir porque no uso GPG... simplemente trata ese archivo 
con el mismo celo que un documento importante (→ backup) al que no 
debería tener acceso nadie (→ permisos, acceso físico).

 Muchas gracias de antemano y disculpen el off-topic pero son dudas
 ocasionales y no quiero suscribirme a mas foros para ello.
 
 Si conocen un FAQ, pues mejor aún.

OpenPGP Best Practices
https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+paow/openpgp-best-practices

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Re: Problema con KDE y/o LXDE en Debian 6 al cambiar a modo consola y volver al modo gráfico

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:30:15 -0300, ciracusa escribió:

 No llegan mis mensajes a la lista?
 
 :(

¿Pero no hablamos de eso hace poco?

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[OT] Re: Jboss con netbeans

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:35:41 -0400, Francisco escribió:

(...)

 Pero si el servidor esta instalado en un debian wheezy, y esta es una
 lista debian, porque me eh equivocado?

No te has equivocado, tranquilo.

Pero si le añades un OT al asunto te curas en salud y así no 
hieres las sensibilidades de algunos usuarios de esta lista :-)

Sobre el asunto no te puedo decir, no he tenido que trabajar 
JBoss... ¿has buscado en Google? Seguro que encuentras alguna 
referencia al tipo de configuración que buscas:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0fp=b501d2d1c42b2b37hl=enq=jboss+netbeans+remote

P.S. Anda... Google ha devuelto una URL corta ¡albricias! :-)

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Re: [OT] Buenas prácticas con GPG y el e-mail

2013-08-22 Thread Francisco Del Roio
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El 22/08/2013 10:59 a.m., Camaleón escribió:

Muchas gracias por tu respuesta, lo voy a poner en práctica.

Un saludo.
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Franci
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Re: [OT] Buenas prácticas con GPG y el e-mail

2013-08-22 Thread Pedro Gras
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:26:33 -0300
Francisco Del Roio franci...@openmailbox.org wrote:

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 El 22/08/2013 10:59 a.m., Camaleón escribió:
 
 Muchas gracias por tu respuesta, lo voy a poner en práctica.
 
 Un saludo.
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Añade a lo que te ha dicho Camaleon el generar un certificado de
revocación y guardarlo en un lugar seguro, es por si pierdes o te roban
la clave privada, entonces lo subes a los servidores de claves y tu
clave queda marcada como revocada e insegura.


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GPG key: 0x3A146D41


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Re: [OT] Buenas prácticas con GPG y el e-mail

2013-08-22 Thread Francesc Gordillo i Cortínez

El 22/08/13 15:59, Camaleón escribió:

El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:45:18 -0300, Francisco Del Roio escribió:


Estoy comenzando a utilizar GPG con mi cliente de correo y quisiera
saber si me pueden recomendar buenas prácticas para darle un buen uso a
esta herramienta.


Okis.


Tengo algunas preguntas que quisiera me respondan:

1. ¿Es recomendable firmar siempre los mensajes?


Firmar, sí.

Si el receptor no dispone de un cliente que interprete la firma GPG verá
un adjunto raro en el correo y poco más.

Si la firma es inline (como la que mandas ahora) pues nada, aparece lo
que vemos todos en el cuerpo del mensaje, y quien quiera comprobar si el
correo proviene de ti y no ha sido alterado pues ya se las apañará para
hacerlo.

Cifrar... psé. Sólo si el destinatario sabe qué hacer con un correo
cifrado.


2. ¿Es recomendable siempre adjuntar mi clave pública?


Los destinatarios la necesitan para poder validar el mensaje.


3. ¿De qué manera ponen a salvo sus claves privadas?


Aquí no te puedo decir porque no uso GPG... simplemente trata ese archivo
con el mismo celo que un documento importante (→ backup) al que no
debería tener acceso nadie (→ permisos, acceso físico).


Además del tema del backup, deberías crear una certificado de revocación 
para poder anular la clave en caso de ser comprometida.


http://www.gnupg.org/gph/es/manual/c16.html#REVOCATION


Muchas gracias de antemano y disculpen el off-topic pero son dudas
ocasionales y no quiero suscribirme a mas foros para ello.

Si conocen un FAQ, pues mejor aún.


OpenPGP Best Practices
https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+paow/openpgp-best-practices

Saludos,




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Fwd: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Ricardo
El día 21 de agosto de 2013 10:46, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:04:08 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

 (ese top-posting...)

Te pido mil disculpas, ta que gmail cambia la interfaz no lo
encontraba la vuelta, ahora debería llegar bien.


 El día 20 de agosto de 2013 10:43, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 error: out of disk.

 (...)

 Ese error suele deberse a que el cargador de arranque no
 reconoce/detecta/ interpreta correctamente la estructura del disco duro
 y como dices que se trata de un equipo antiguo, conviene que revises el
 modo en el que tienes configurados los discos en la BIOS, que debería
 ser LBA en lugar de otras opciones como manual, auto o CHS.

 Esas opciones que mencionas no lo encuentro en ningún lado,

 Dinos fabricante y modelo de la placa. Esas opciones suelen estar en la
 primera pantalla de la BIOS o en la sección de configuración de los
 discos duros. De hecho, no recuerdo ninguna placa base
 antigua (1998-2003) para equipos de sobremesa que no tuviera esas
 opciones :-?

 agarre el disco viejito de 20GB instale Wheezy y bootea normal,  creo
 que el Mother no lo soporta la capacidad del disco (WD 160GB IDE )

 Eso no debería ser un problema, y menos en Linux, ya que suele hacer caso
 omiso de estos valores de la BIOS.

 Para Windows sí sería un problema, pero también hay soluciones: algunos
 fabricantes de disco duros tienen una herramienta (Dynamic Drive Overlay)
 que permite anular esta restricción. Y siempre podrás configurar el disco
 duro para que auto-limite su capacidad a través de los jumpers pero
 claro, a día de hoy esta opción no resulta conveniente.

 En resumen, si has instalado linux y el instalador te ha reconocido el
 disco y toda su capacidad es que el sistema admite ese disco. En todo
 caso, parece que es GRUB (el cargador de arranque) el que se atraganta...

 al menos leí en algún foro, seria bueno usar el disco de 160  por el
 tema de la capacidad, esto [1] encontre posible solucion que sugerencia
 me dan?

 No has añadido el enlace.

Qui va el enlace

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:write

Saludos

 Ah me olvide de comentarles como este es una maquina ya viejito no tenia
  un lectora de CD. ta que hoy por hoy ya no se encuentra en ningun lado
 asi que lo instale Boteando por la LAN. (PXE), la instalación fue une
 éxito, en otro hilo me lo pasaste la data Gracias Camaleón!

 De nada :-)

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Re: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Ricardo
El día 21 de agosto de 2013 18:04, Haylem Candelario Bauzá
hay...@inor.sld.cu escribió:
 Asegúrate de configurar el grub para cargar el sistema de ficheros que
 usas. Por ejemplo

 insmod ext3 para ext3
 insmod ext4 para ext4
 insmod part_dos para msdos


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 Recuerda: Si dominas los bits, dominas el mundo.




Hola.

disculpa mi ignorancia donde y en que archivo se agrega esto?

Saludos


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Re: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Maykel Franco
El ago 22, 2013 4:37 p.m., Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:

 El día 21 de agosto de 2013 18:04, Haylem Candelario Bauzá
 hay...@inor.sld.cu escribió:
  Asegúrate de configurar el grub para cargar el sistema de ficheros que
  usas. Por ejemplo
 
  insmod ext3 para ext3
  insmod ext4 para ext4
  insmod part_dos para msdos
 
 
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  Recuerda: Si dominas los bits, dominas el mundo.
 
 
 

 Hola.

 disculpa mi ignorancia donde y en que archivo se agrega esto?

 Saludos


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Si restauras grub que pasa? sigue el mismo error? no habra algun update
bios de esa motherboard?

Saludos.


Re: [OT] Duda siguiendo curso: Caracteres de escape

2013-08-22 Thread Eduardo Rios
Gracias. Creo que ya lo tengo más claro. De todos modos, no hay nada 
mejor que practicar hasta dominarlo.


Ensayo-Error ;)


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Re: Fwd: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:34:55 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

 El día 21 de agosto de 2013 10:46, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

 al menos leí en algún foro, seria bueno usar el disco de 160  por el
 tema de la capacidad, esto [1] encontre posible solucion que sugerencia
 me dan?

 No has añadido el enlace.
 
 Qui va el enlace
 
 http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:write

(leyendo...)

Ah, ya veo. 

Lo que dice es que alguna versión de GRUB tiene un bug que genera ese 
mensaje de error que recibes al arrancar el sistema.

Pues oye, probar no cuesta nada, sigue los pasos que indican -que son 
además muy sencillos- y si te funciona pues editas el archivo de 
configuración que mencionan y listo.

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Re: Google Earth y Multiarch en wheezy [SOLUCIONADO]

2013-08-22 Thread Debian GMail

2013/2/26 Debian GMail javier.debian.bb...@gmail.com


¿Alguien sabe si se resolvió o pudo resolver este problema?
Tal vez con alguna alquimia con los repositorios de sid.

http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#Google-earth_and_Multiarch

Google-earth and Multiarch
As of 2012-12-18 installing Google-earth with Multiarch is impossible
because of missing i386 binaries, and Multiarch only allows co-installation
of libraries.




Después de 6 meses, lo logré.
Paso a detallar cómo lo hice.

Sistema:
Linux jap 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Repositorios en orden de preferencia: testing / stable / sid / experimental

Lidiando con el problema, y buscando mcho en Google, me encontré que 
el tema es que Google Earth necesita librerías de wine.
En amd64, cuando uno instala wine y lo ejecuta, le aparece este mensaje, 
que trae a colación el enlace

http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#Google-earth_and_Multiarch

The following commands should be issued as root or via sudo in order to
enable multiarch (the last command installs 32-bit wine):
# dpkg --add-architecture i386
# apt-get update
# apt-get install wine-bin:i386

Cuando quería ejecutar # apt-get install wine-bin:i386, obtenía un 
galimatías de paquetes rotos, retenidos, dependencias incumplidas y un 
larguísimo etcétera.
Dándole vueltas al tema, encontré que el paquete que generaba todo este 
embrollo era kde-runtime-data.


La solución:

# apt-get remove kde-runtime-data
Que removió una gran lista de paquetes dependientes.

# apt-get -t sid install wine-bin-unstable:i386 libwine-unstable:i386 
libldap-2.4-2:i386

Que instaló wine sin ningún inconveniente.

# apt-get install kdm kde-standard k3b libreoffice-kde yakuake krusader 
k3b-i18n kde-l10n-es krename

Que me permitió recuperar los paquetes eliminados por la primera operación.

# apt-get install lsb-core:i386
# apt-get install googleearth-package
# /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package --force
# dpkg -i googleearth_6.0.3.2197+1.0-1_amd64.deb
# apt-get -f install
Que me permitió instalar Google Earth, el cual ahora se encuentra 
funcionando sin inconvenientes en un sistema amd64.


Gracias a todos.

















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Re: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Maykel Franco
El día 22 de agosto de 2013 17:14, Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:
 El día 22 de agosto de 2013 11:41, Maykel Franco
 maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:

 El ago 22, 2013 4:37 p.m., Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:



 El día 21 de agosto de 2013 18:04, Haylem Candelario Bauzá
 hay...@inor.sld.cu escribió:
  Asegúrate de configurar el grub para cargar el sistema de ficheros que
  usas. Por ejemplo
 
  insmod ext3 para ext3
  insmod ext4 para ext4
  insmod part_dos para msdos
 
 
  --
  HaylemHackCpp
 
  Recuerda: Si dominas los bits, dominas el mundo.
 
 
 

 Hola.

 disculpa mi ignorancia donde y en que archivo se agrega esto?

 Saludos


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 Si restauras grub que pasa? sigue el mismo error? no habra algun update bios
 de esa motherboard?

 Saludos.

 Hola Maykel

 El proceso para restaurar el grub cual seria?  no me atrevo a darle un
 update de bios una ves lo hice a una mother vieja salio mal y tuve que
 tirar al tacho.

 ahora quedo con disco viejito funciona como el aute desperfecto, La
 idea es usar el disco nuevo que compre de 160GB.

 Saludos


Muy sencillo, live cd al canto y:

http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-Partitioning-EN-Repairing-a-damaged-Grub

Te vale también un livecd de debian perfectamente, no tiene porque ser
systemrescuecd...

Por probar no pierdes nada.

Saludos.


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[OT] database administrator tools para mysql, mariadb

2013-08-22 Thread Carlos Carcamo
Saludos lista.

Buscando en Internet no encuentro ningun database admin para mysql,
mariadb, libre y fiable, tengo instalado mysql-worbench pero me
gustaría una alternativa mas ligera, me baje uno que se llama dbeaver
al principio me pareció muy bueno, pero tiene ciertas inconsistencias
hace que crear y modelar una base de datos sea una tarea poco
agradable...

Me tome la libertad de preguntar a la lista, pues creo que acá hay
muchos desarrolladores y de seguro saben de alguna buena
herramienta...

Espero sus comentarios, gracias de antemano.

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Re: Instalacion debian 6/7 por red PXE

2013-08-22 Thread Ricardo
El día 22 de agosto de 2013 12:41, Ricardo Zúñiga
ceaerr...@gmail.com escribió:
 y no puedes hacer un mini tutorial?


Ya lo hare y lo voy a pasar por aki el scripts ok

saludos


 El 22 de agosto de 2013 10:41, Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:

 El día 21 de agosto de 2013 10:46, Ricardo Zúñiga
 ceaerr...@gmail.com escribió:
  Como hiciste la congifuracion del servidor pxe?
 

 Fijate que en este mismo hilo lo paso el link. lo paso Camaleón,

 pero tube que agregar algunas cosas mas no esta completa.

 Saludos

 
  El ago 20, 2013 10:31 p.m., Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:
 
  Hola gracias por sus comentarios
 
  Me funcionó perfecto, tengo una duda en la instalación veo que
  descarga desde Internet los archivos de instalación , en caso que el
  internet sea muy lento tardaría muchísimo. buscando en San Google
  encontre esto:
 
  vi /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
 
  
 
  LABEL Debian 6.7 (LiveCD-i386)
  KERNEL images/debian/6/i386/linux
  APPEND initrd=images/debian/6/i386/initrd.gz boot=casper netboot=nfs
  nfsroot=192.168.20.45:/var/ftp/debian/6/i386 vga=normal
  ramdisk_size=32768
 
 
  con este parámetro función en una VM o PC decente, pero en una pc
  viejita al iniciar carga bien despues alli se queda no responde el
  teclado nada de nada, pienso que este parametro (ramdisk_size=32768)
  estaria por demás? o hay alguna forma cencilla de hacer esto?
 
  Saludos
 
  El día 19 de agosto de 2013 10:10, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
  escribió:
   El Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:52:40 -0300, Ricardo escribió:
  
   Quiero montar un servidor de TFTP/PXE para tener toda las isos. para
   bootear por red, todo los dias hago instalaciones de win/linux ando
   buscando alguna guia completa eh mrado esta guia pero no esta
   completo
   [1], tambien eh buscado en google encuentro guias pero es para
   Lenny,
   alguien implemento algo parecido?
  
   Cualquiero comentario sera muy agradecido
  
   Si buscas en Google por debian pxe obtienes un montón de resultados
   con
   guías paso a paso, ejemplos, FAQ... por ejemplo:
  
   Debian Wheezy PXE server
   http://funwithlinux.net/2013/01/debian-wheezy-pxe-server/
  
   Saludos,
  
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Re: [OT] database administrator tools para mysql, mariadb

2013-08-22 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:16:56 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió:

 Buscando en Internet no encuentro ningun database admin para mysql,
 mariadb, libre y fiable, tengo instalado mysql-worbench pero me gustaría
 una alternativa mas ligera, me baje uno que se llama dbeaver al
 principio me pareció muy bueno, pero tiene ciertas inconsistencias hace
 que crear y modelar una base de datos sea una tarea poco agradable...

En Wikipedia tienes una lista con varias herramientas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_database_tools
 
 Me tome la libertad de preguntar a la lista, pues creo que acá hay
 muchos desarrolladores y de seguro saben de alguna buena herramienta...

Personalmente he probado DBEdit, Navicat, HeidiSQL, phpMyAdmin, AquaData 
Studio, EMS SQL y SQuirrel SQL. Las únicas con las que he podido hacer 
algo fueron Navicat (excelente) y phpMyAdmin. Con el resto no pasaba de 
la conexión a la DB o fallaban en operaciones simples como la carga/
importación de datos a las tablas ;-(

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Re: nautilus en debian 7

2013-08-22 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá
Debes instalar algún compresor/descompresor de archivos.
te recomiendo file-roller está bueno.

xarchiver es muy ligero pero no permite poner passwords a los .rar y
file-roller sí.

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Re: Error: out of disk grub rescue en Debian 6.07e

2013-08-22 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá
Eso se agrega en el /boot/grub/grub.cfg al principio del archivo.


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Re: [OT] database administrator tools para mysql, mariadb

2013-08-22 Thread Juan Manuel Acuña Barrera

El 22/08/2013, a las 11:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:16:56 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió:
 
 Buscando en Internet no encuentro ningun database admin para mysql,
 mariadb, libre y fiable, tengo instalado mysql-worbench pero me gustaría
 una alternativa mas ligera, me baje uno que se llama dbeaver al
 principio me pareció muy bueno, pero tiene ciertas inconsistencias hace
 que crear y modelar una base de datos sea una tarea poco agradable...
 
 En Wikipedia tienes una lista con varias herramientas:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_database_tools
 
 Me tome la libertad de preguntar a la lista, pues creo que acá hay
 muchos desarrolladores y de seguro saben de alguna buena herramienta...
 
 Personalmente he probado DBEdit, Navicat, HeidiSQL, phpMyAdmin, AquaData 
 Studio, EMS SQL y SQuirrel SQL. Las únicas con las que he podido hacer 
 algo fueron Navicat (excelente) y phpMyAdmin. Con el resto no pasaba de 
 la conexión a la DB o fallaban en operaciones simples como la carga/
 importación de datos a las tablas ;-(
 
 Saludos,
 
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Yo he usado Navicat, antes había una versión lite gratuita, que era lo mismo 
que la normal, pero no tenía todas las funcionalidades, no se si todavía existe.

Quiero hacer notar que aunque la versión era gratis, no era libre, aún así era 
excelente.

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nautilus en debian 7 [RESUELTO]

2013-08-22 Thread cosme
Con file-roller se resolvió el problema.

Gracias a los listeros

 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Re: nautilus en debian 7
De: Haylem Candelario Bauzá hay...@inor.sld.cu
Fecha:  Jue, 22 de Agosto de 2013, 12:57 pm
Para:   debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
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Debes instalar algún compresor/descompresor de archivos.
te recomiendo file-roller está bueno.

xarchiver es muy ligero pero no permite poner passwords a los .rar y
file-roller sí.

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Re: Problema con KDE y/o LXDE en Debian 6 al cambiar a modo consola y volver al modo gráfico

2013-08-22 Thread ciracusa

On 22/08/13 11:02, Camaleón wrote:

El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:30:15 -0300, ciracusa escribió:

   

No llegan mis mensajes a la lista?

:(
 

¿Pero no hablamos de eso hace poco?

Saludos,

   

Si Camaleon, pero es raro que a veces no haya ni ruido de un mensaje.

Muchas Gracias!

Saludos.


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Re: [OT] Buenas prácticas con GPG y el e-mail

2013-08-22 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:59:06 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:45:18 -0300, Francisco Del Roio escribió:
 
  Estoy comenzando a utilizar GPG con mi cliente de correo y quisiera
  saber si me pueden recomendar buenas prácticas para darle un buen uso a
  esta herramienta.
 
 Okis.
  
  Tengo algunas preguntas que quisiera me respondan:
  
  1. ¿Es recomendable firmar siempre los mensajes?
 
 Firmar, sí.
 
 Si el receptor no dispone de un cliente que interprete la firma GPG verá 
 un adjunto raro en el correo y poco más.
 
 Si la firma es inline (como la que mandas ahora) pues nada, aparece lo 
 que vemos todos en el cuerpo del mensaje, y quien quiera comprobar si el 
 correo proviene de ti y no ha sido alterado pues ya se las apañará para 
 hacerlo.
 
 Cifrar... psé. Sólo si el destinatario sabe qué hacer con un correo 
 cifrado.
 

cifrar NO
solo podes cifrar un correo con una clave publica para que el receptor lo 
descifre con la privada

  2. ¿Es recomendable siempre adjuntar mi clave pública?

 
 Los destinatarios la necesitan para poder validar el mensaje.

y para enviarte mensajes cifrados
 
  3. ¿De qué manera ponen a salvo sus claves privadas?
 
 Aquí no te puedo decir porque no uso GPG... simplemente trata ese archivo 
 con el mismo celo que un documento importante (→ backup) al que no 
 debería tener acceso nadie (→ permisos, acceso físico).
 
  Muchas gracias de antemano y disculpen el off-topic pero son dudas
  ocasionales y no quiero suscribirme a mas foros para ello.
  
  Si conocen un FAQ, pues mejor aún.
 
 OpenPGP Best Practices
 https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+paow/openpgp-best-practices
 
 Saludos,
 
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Re: kryptering

2013-08-22 Thread Olof Johansson
On 2013-08-22 18:42 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
 Vad är favoritmetoden för kryptering bland prenumeranterna?

Om frågan gäller kryptering av partitioner och dylikt, så är bör
nämnas att Debian-installern har utmärkt stöd för krypterade
partitioner, främst med dmcrypt:

  http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto 
(§6.3.3.6)


On 2013-08-22 18:44 +0200, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
 gpg!

Dubbel rot13! :-)

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Re: Apache2 Tomcat7

2013-08-22 Thread Aparecido Quesada
Bom dia

Aqui apareceu acesso restrito, tinha que inserir algum login?

Abraços

2013/8/21 Greyson Farias greysonsi...@gmail.com

 Olá Gustavo,

 Aqui está:
 http://www.softwarelivre-ac.org/areas/geral/65-servidores/101-how-to-servidor-de-aplicacoes-java-tomcat-integrado-com-o-apache-2.html

 Espero que ajude.


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 Técnico em Operação de redes - CREA/AC 9329TD
 Eu prefiro receber documentos em 
 ODFhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
 .
 http://about.me/greysonfarias



 Em 21 de agosto de 2013 17:32, Gustavo Goulart 
 gust.goul...@yahoo.com.brescreveu:

 Ola lista, boa noite!

  Pessoal, tenho uma aplicação aqui usando Oracle e tomcat6 no debian
 squeeze. O oracle esta em uma máquina separada com Oracle Linux. Atualizei
 o debian para a versão 7 onde ja tenho os pacotes tomcat7 todos em .deb.

 Alguem ai conhece um bom link para integrar o apache2 com tomcat7  ???


 Estou apanhando feio aqui.

 Agradeço ajudas.

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Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Marcelo Silva
Olá pessoal!!

Estou passando por um probleminha, tenho um servidor executando Debian
Wheezy rodando apache, mysql e wordpress a versão mais nova. Eles está
travando e nem consigo logar, então tenho que reiniciá-lo da forma mais
bruta que é no botão power. Quando acontece isso verifico no meu
monitoramento que o processamento está no topo, e na tela aparece a
seguinte mensagem:

INFO: task apache2:12473 blocked for more than 120 seconds. :
[284847.868468] echo 0  /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables
this message.

Alguém já passou por algo assim?

Marcelo


Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Yahoo

Qual a configuração desse equipamento?

Em Qui 22 Ago 2013 11:23:23 BRT, Marcelo Silva escreveu:

Olá pessoal!!
Estou passando por um probleminha, tenho um servidor executando Debian
Wheezy rodando apache, mysql e wordpress a versão mais nova. Eles está
travando e nem consigo logar, então tenho que reiniciá-lo da forma
mais bruta que é no botão power. Quando acontece isso verifico no meu
monitoramento que o processamento está no topo, e na tela aparece a
seguinte mensagem:
INFO: task apache2:12473 blocked for more than 120 seconds. :
[284847.868468] echo 0  /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs
disables this message.
Alguém já passou por algo assim?
Marcelo



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Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Marcelo Silva
HP Proliant ML370
Processador Intel Xeon 3.20 Ghz
Memória de 4GB


Em 22 de agosto de 2013 11:32, Yahoo rogeriojpai...@ymail.com escreveu:

 Qual a configuração desse equipamento?

 Em Qui 22 Ago 2013 11:23:23 BRT, Marcelo Silva escreveu:

  Olá pessoal!!
 Estou passando por um probleminha, tenho um servidor executando Debian
 Wheezy rodando apache, mysql e wordpress a versão mais nova. Eles está
 travando e nem consigo logar, então tenho que reiniciá-lo da forma
 mais bruta que é no botão power. Quando acontece isso verifico no meu
 monitoramento que o processamento está no topo, e na tela aparece a
 seguinte mensagem:
 INFO: task apache2:12473 blocked for more than 120 seconds. :
 [284847.868468] echo 0  /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_**timeout_secs
 disables this message.
 Alguém já passou por algo assim?
 Marcelo




Re: Apache2 Tomcat7

2013-08-22 Thread Greyson Farias
Opa,

Era problema de tesoura. Foi pago e o domíno já está on-line. =D

Att.

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Em 22 de agosto de 2013 10:15, Aparecido Quesada professorques...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Bom dia

 Aqui apareceu acesso restrito, tinha que inserir algum login?

 Abraços


 2013/8/21 Greyson Farias greysonsi...@gmail.com

 Olá Gustavo,

 Aqui está:
 http://www.softwarelivre-ac.org/areas/geral/65-servidores/101-how-to-servidor-de-aplicacoes-java-tomcat-integrado-com-o-apache-2.html

 Espero que ajude.


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 Técnico em Operação de redes - CREA/AC 9329TD
 Eu prefiro receber documentos em 
 ODFhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
 .
 http://about.me/greysonfarias



 Em 21 de agosto de 2013 17:32, Gustavo Goulart gust.goul...@yahoo.com.br
  escreveu:

 Ola lista, boa noite!

  Pessoal, tenho uma aplicação aqui usando Oracle e tomcat6 no debian
 squeeze. O oracle esta em uma máquina separada com Oracle Linux. Atualizei
 o debian para a versão 7 onde ja tenho os pacotes tomcat7 todos em .deb.

 Alguem ai conhece um bom link para integrar o apache2 com tomcat7
 ???


 Estou apanhando feio aqui.

 Agradeço ajudas.

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 # Linux Debian Etch #
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Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Fábio Rabelo
Em 22 de agosto de 2013 11:38, Marcelo Silva marguimsi...@gmail.comescreveu:

 HP Proliant ML370
 Processador Intel Xeon 3.20 Ghz
 Memória de 4GB


O Sr. instalou alguma ferramente de monitoramento, que possa lhe fornecer a
carga de uso, principalmente de CPU e memória ?

Qual o volume de visitas deste seu Wordpress ?

Meu chutômetro apontaria para a memória, eu não instalo um servidor com
menos de 16 GB de RAM a mais de 3 anos ...

O Apache é um glutão tanto de CPU qto de memória, uma possível solução para
minimizar o problema seria substituir o Apache pelo nginx ( que teve seu
incicio justamente pelos problemas de usu de memória e CPU do Apache ) .

Mas com apenas 4GB de RAM mesmo isto pode não ser a solução ...

Outra pergunta, qto núcleos REAIS ( desconsiderando a escrescência do Hiper
Threading ) este Xeon tem ?

Quais os módulos do Apache estão habilitados ?


Fábio Rabelo


Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread P. J.
Em 22 de agosto de 2013 13:36, Fábio Rabelo fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Meu chutômetro apontaria para a memória, eu não instalo um servidor com
 menos de 16 GB de RAM a mais de 3 anos ...



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Conhece, o Facebook AutoSender?

2013-08-22 Thread AutoSender PRO vendas


 

Você sabia que com o AutoSender PRO,
você é capaz de enviar mensagens automáticas para até 60 grupos por
vez?

Vamos fazer uma conta de padeiro...

Você programou suas mensagens para serem postadas ao decorrer do
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Suponhamos que cada grupo tenha 700 pessoas (um número baixo, grupos
normalmente atigem mais de 1.000 pessoas.)

Então serão 60 grupos com 700 pessoas cada.
60x700 =42.000 pessoas

Ou seja, seu link ou propaganda sera divulgado para 42.000 pessoas
por MENSAGEM que você programar.

E você pode deixar até 8 mensagens programadas. Elas serão enviadas
ao decorrer do dia sem necessitar a sua presença no computador.

Acreditem, essa ferramenta é revolucionária.

Lembrando que Quem tem informação, tem poder!

Conheça o seu produto, e tenho certeza que suas vendas aumentarão!

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O AutoSenderPró é uma poderosa ferramenta de agendamento de posts que
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É com muito orgulho que lhe apresentamos o Facebook AutoSender, um
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Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread d4n1
Se possível usá o nginx ou lightpd, eles usam eventos no lugar de threads
como o apache. Monitora com top primeiramente, depois instala um nagios,
zabix ou cacti e vê o consumo de banda, processos e etc. A partir daí você
vai vê se é sobrecarga ou outro tipo de problema.


Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Marcelo Silva
Cara, pensei exatamente nisso, estou fazendo um teste com o nginx agora no
servidor de homologação e vi até uma melhora. já tenho o cacti aqui
monitorando e em relação a banda não é problema.

Marcelo


Em 22 de agosto de 2013 16:02, d4n1 d4n1h...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Se possível usá o nginx ou lightpd, eles usam eventos no lugar de threads
 como o apache. Monitora com top primeiramente, depois instala um nagios,
 zabix ou cacti e vê o consumo de banda, processos e etc. A partir daí você
 vai vê se é sobrecarga ou outro tipo de problema.



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2013-08-22 Thread Weslen José

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O Facebook AutoSender é um Software, desenvolvido no intuito de poupar o tempo 
daqueles que trabalham com qualquer tipo de divulgação na internet.

 

Em poucos minutos você é capaz de programar suas mensagens, que serão enviadas 
ao decorrer do dia sem precisar da sua presença.

 

É isso mesmo, só preparar as mensagens e deixe que o resto a gente faz por você!

 

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[OFFTOPIC] HD na vertical

2013-08-22 Thread Fábio de Sousa
Um salve a todos!

Alguém saberia me dizer, com certeza, se existe algum problema, o Hard Disk
trabalhar na vertical?

Abraço,
Fábiocs


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Re: [OFFTOPIC] HD na vertical

2013-08-22 Thread Helio Loureiro
O HD é lacrado à vácuo.  Não deve fazer muita diferença.

Abs,
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Em 22 de agosto de 2013 20:24, Fábio de Sousa fabi...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Um salve a todos!

 Alguém saberia me dizer, com certeza, se existe algum problema, o Hard
 Disk trabalhar na vertical?

 Abraço,
 Fábiocs


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Re: Servidor travando

2013-08-22 Thread Helio Loureiro
Veja se isso ajuda:

http://helio.loureiro.eng.br/index.php/22-seguranca/security/196-o-dia-em-que-sofri-um-ataque-de-ddos

Abs,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
http://gplus.to/helioloureiro


Em 22 de agosto de 2013 17:01, Marcelo Silva marguimsi...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Cara, pensei exatamente nisso, estou fazendo um teste com o nginx agora no
 servidor de homologação e vi até uma melhora. já tenho o cacti aqui
 monitorando e em relação a banda não é problema.

 Marcelo


 Em 22 de agosto de 2013 16:02, d4n1 d4n1h...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Se possível usá o nginx ou lightpd, eles usam eventos no lugar de threads
 como o apache. Monitora com top primeiramente, depois instala um nagios,
 zabix ou cacti e vê o consumo de banda, processos e etc. A partir daí você
 vai vê se é sobrecarga ou outro tipo de problema.





Res: Re: [OFFTOPIC] HD na vertical

2013-08-22 Thread jmhenrique
Apesar disso, a alguns anos atrás, aqui nesta mesma lista, levantou-se uma 
determinada marca que tinha problemas, digo, característica de 
estragar/degradar os discos  na posição vertical, mesmo q devidamente 
ímobilizado o computador. Pode nao existir mais esta característica nesta 
determinada. marca/modelo, porem esta pergunta, a alguns anos atrás, seria mto 
pertinente. Hoje talvez nem tanto. Ou nao. :) 

[]'s

Julio 
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:06:18 
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Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] HD na vertical

O HD é lacrado à vácuo.  Não deve fazer muita diferença.

Abs,
Helio Loureiro
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http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
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Em 22 de agosto de 2013 20:24, Fábio de Sousa fabi...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Um salve a todos!

 Alguém saberia me dizer, com certeza, se existe algum problema, o Hard
 Disk trabalhar na vertical?

 Abraço,
 Fábiocs


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Yan: Yan: LG X130 Sarj olmuyor, BIOS update yapamiyorum.

2013-08-22 Thread Engin YILMAZ
Evet, bence de en iyisi yeni bir pil almak.  


Bir arkadas ozelden Winpe ile acip insydeflash ile guncelleyebilirsin dedi. Ben 
de dediğini yaptim. Fakat BIOS ile ilgili olmadigini gordum ve en azindan 
merakim gecti. Sorun yuksek ihtimal pilden gorunuyor.

(Ya da pil hücrelerini yenileyen yerel şirketleri deneyebilirsiniz.  
Eski pilin içindeki hücreleri değiştiriyorlar.  Biraz daha ekonomik 
olur.  Ben hiç denemedim ama Google'dan aratıp bulabilirsiniz.  Hâttâ bu 
işleri becerebiliyorsanız Çin'den hücreleri getirtip kendiniz yapmanız 
da mümkün.)

Evet bu dediginiz guzel bir ugras olabilir. Konu debian listesinin amaci disina 
cikmaya basladigi icin bundan sonra bir gelisme olursa size ozelden bildiririm.

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Debian Mobil Telefon

2013-08-22 Thread Engin YILMAZ
Merhaba, ben uzerinde debian calistirabilecegim bir cep telefonu arayisindayim. 
Asagideki baglantidaki telefonu hic deneyip kullananiniz oldu mu? Konuyla 
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http://www.pulster.eu/index.html?openmoko.htm 
 
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Re: ksh i386 ##

2013-08-22 Thread Phi Debian
Thanx Bob for pre-filling the debian bug.

I try to do the same on ubuntu and see how it goes.

Cheers,
Phi


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Phi Debian wrote:
 Hi Bob,
 Well I dunno how to fill a report on ksh, is that at David Korn site?
 Or is it a debian specific.

 I would file a bug in Debian.  Using the command line reportbug is
 easiest and most reliable.

   $ reportbug ksh93

 It happen on ubuntu as well.

 And the same thing from the Ubuntu system.

 I admit I am not a linux guru, working on it occasionally.

 I went ahead and filed the bug in Debian.

   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720441

 Thank you for bringing the problem up here.  This way we could discuss
 it and get a bug filed on it.  All good!

 Bob


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
 I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.

If you've ever seen the graffiti scene in 'The Life of Brian' then you
may use a word other than misfortune. :)

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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread François Patte
Le 21/08/2013 23:37, Bob Proulx a écrit :
 I am helping someone configure their Debian system.  They said they
 wished to type in special characters.  Which I assumed meant
 accented characters.
 
 I had previously read:
 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg02068.html
 
 And that pointed me off to the very nicely written article:
 
   
 http://zuttobenkyou.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/xorg-using-the-us-international-altgr-intl-variant-keyboard-layout/
 

The best way to type exotic characters is to install ibus and m17n
packages.

नमस्ते!


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Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Adam J. Gamble

Hi All,

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
Microserver (N40L).


I'm using 
http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz with 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/.


Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it 
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the 
slots. However, it just searches for drives, and returns to the main 
menu without allowing me to proceed any further.


Can someone elucidate the issue?

Cheers,

Adam


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Thierry Chatelet
The Wednesday 21 August 2013 23:37:25, Bob Proulx wrote :
 I am helping someone configure their Debian system.  They said they
 wished to type in special characters.  Which I assumed meant
 accented characters.
 
 I had previously read:
 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg02068.html
 
 And that pointed me off to the very nicely written article:
 
  
 http://zuttobenkyou.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/xorg-using-the-us-internation
 al-altgr-intl-variant-keyboard-layout/
 
 That seemed to have been the best recommendation.  So I went off and
 set up:
 
   setxkbmap -rules evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl
 
 All worked perfectly as described.  Accented characters are easily
 input.  But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
 bar characters āēīōū.  And I don't see how to input bar characters
 with the above.
 
 Because now I know that specifically they want to input the barred
 characters āēīōū what would be possible methods to type those in that
 I should recommend to them?
 
 Thanks!
 Bob

See http://userbase.kde.org/ComposeKey
Same can be found for gnome and others. Usefull info can be found there too: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
Thierry


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Multi WAN Routing

2013-08-22 Thread basti
Hallo,

i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.

It look like:

LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
   |- ISP Line 2

The ISP- Ip's are static.

Here some links i have found:

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html

http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363

At the moment my routing table looks like:
rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
217.0.111.222   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00 ppp0
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
217.0.111.222 dev ppp0  proto kernel  scope link  src 111.222.333.444
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.1
default dev ppp0  scope link
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0  Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung 
  inet Adresse:111.222.333.444  P-z-P:217.0.111.222 
Maske:255.255.255.255
  UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metrik:1
  RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
  RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB)  TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)

nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#

At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
Not clear thinks are:

- how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?
- where do I place the code for multiple routing
  (ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1 weight 1 
nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)
- did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the connection is 
keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Thanks,
regards Basti



Re: Multi WAN Routing

2013-08-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:11:38PM +0200, basti wrote:
  Hallo,
 
  i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.
 
  It look like:
 
  LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
 |- ISP Line 2
 
  The ISP- Ip's are static.
 
  Here some links i have found:
 
  
 [1]http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
  [2]http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
  [3]http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
 
  [4]http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
  [5]http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363
 
  At the moment my routing table looks like:
  rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
  Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
  ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
  Iface
  217.0.111.222   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
  192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00 ppp0
  rtr-0002:/var/log#
  rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
  217.0.111.222 dev ppp0  proto kernel  scope link  src 111.222.333.444
  192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.1
  default dev ppp0  scope link
  rtr-0002:/var/log#
  rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
  ppp0  Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung
inet Adresse:111.222.333.444  P-z-P:217.0.111.222 
 Maske:255.255.255.255
UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metrik:1
RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB)  TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)
 
  nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#
 
  At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
  Not clear thinks are:
 
  - how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?

Add another PPP provider (/etc/ppp/providers, I think). You can then
call pon ISP1 and pon ISP2 (or however you call them).

  - where do I place the code for multiple routing
(ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1 weight 1 
 nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)

Probably the best place would be in a new script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/
That way it the routing table is adjusted only when the connection comes
up. You should look at the documentation on the scripts there,
especially if you want to be able to adapt to only using one ISP (for
example, it should be possible for the script to know WHICH ISP just
came up and adjust accordingly)

  - did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the connection 
 is keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Yes. The routing is done one a per-connection basis.
 


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
 I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
 but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.

More information is needed to comment this.

 is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?

Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
available.

 mc looks fine and I may tried out.

mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
on UNIX like systems.

If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.

 If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?

I don't know.

Debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro

Arch:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/

 And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
 channels?

You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).

Regards,
Ralf




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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
  I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.
 
 If you've ever seen the graffiti scene in 'The Life of Brian' then you
 may use a word other than misfortune. :)

As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
stuff!


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Davies
Adam J. Gamble a...@sleep.cx wrote:
 Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
 Microserver (N40L).

 Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it 
 would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the 
 slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt

Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
 1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
 2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
 3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

2013-08-22 Thread Kailash
On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
 I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
 but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
 
 More information is needed to comment this.
 
 is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
 
 Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
 available.
 
 mc looks fine and I may tried out.
 
 mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
 mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
 is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
 vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
 the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
 on UNIX like systems.
 
 If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
 distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
 Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
 build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
 system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
 packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
 headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
 much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
 of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
 using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
 into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
 
 If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
 
 I don't know.
 
 Debian:
 https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
 https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
 
 Arch:
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
 http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
 
 And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
 channels?
 
 You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
 
 Regards,
 Ralf
 
 
 
 

Hi,

The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the
Debian Administrator's handbook.
http://debian-handbook.info/

They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It
covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the
install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian.

Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good
introductory material on linux to get you going.

Hope that helps,
Kailash


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Re: trusting repository keys (was: deb-multimedia repository)

2013-08-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Ralf Mardorf:
 On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 16:53 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:

 Ralf Mardorf:
 No. Just because a keyserver happens to serve some key that does not
 mean the key is valid.
 
 But if I upload a key it neither would have the same fingerprint, nor
 fit to the packages.

But how do you know the correct fingerprint? The one that is used to
sign the repository might be compromised, just like the rest of the
repository.

The scenario is as follows: just like the OP, you want to use
packages from deb-multimedia.org (or any other repository, including
official Debian repositories). You don't know very much about the entity
providing these packages, except from their name (Christian Marillat,
Debian).

You want to make sure that your apt talks to the correct repository and
not one of an attacker that is able to poison your DNS or acts as a
man-in-the-middle for your web traffic.

Secure apt can do this for you *if you import (only) the correct keys*
into apt's keyring. But in the beginning you don't even know which key
is the correct one! To be cryptographically secure, you need an
out-of-band method to find out whether the key used to sign the
repository you are seeing does in fact belong to the person/entity that
you trust. To do this, you can either try to meet with the signee in
person or use the Web of Trust.

 So I must upload a key and then hack the package to
 do something evil.

Yes, and Secure Apt is supposed to protect you from this kind of attack.

 Sure, if the multimedia guys do something evil, than
 no key will add security. The key only should ensure that the package is
 a package from multimedia.

Yes. But with the twist I already mentioned: apt does not tell you which
key was used to verify a specific package and you cannot limit the
authority of a key to a specific set of packages or repositories.

J.
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changing git language

2013-08-22 Thread berenger . morel

Hello.

I recently made an update, and git was one of the updated tools.
Now, I just tried it and, surprise, it is now speaking french... which 
I do not like. At all. I only use English when programming, for two 
reasons:

1: I am used to.
2: when you have a problem (and I often have things I do not know how 
to do with git), translating back the translation does not give very 
good results. Plus, it imply that I need to type what I wan't to search 
for, instead of copying the message from terminal.


So, does anyone knows how to change git's language, to help it forgot 
that it is on a French system?



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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Adam J. Gamble
Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)


Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
(compatability-wise)?


Thanks,

Adam

On 22/08/2013 11:53, Chris Davies wrote:

Adam J. Gamble a...@sleep.cx wrote:

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant
Microserver (N40L).
Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the
slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

 parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

 Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: gpt

 Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
  1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
  2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
  3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris






Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

2013-08-22 Thread 郭靖
在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒,Ralf Mardorf写道:
 On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
 
  I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
 
  but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
 
 
 
 More information is needed to comment this.
 
 
 
  is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
 
 
 
 Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
 
 available.
 
 
 
  mc looks fine and I may tried out.
 
 
 
 mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
 
 mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
 
 is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
 
 vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
 
 the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
 
 on UNIX like systems.
 
 
 
 If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
 
 distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
 
 Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
 
 build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
 
 system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
 
 packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
 
 headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
 
 much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
 
 of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
 
 using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
 
 into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
 
 
 
  If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
 
 
 
 I don't know.
 
 
 
 Debian:
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
 
 
 
 Arch:
 
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
 
 http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
 
 
 
  And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
 
  channels?
 
 
 
 You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Ralf
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager.

Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, 
hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.

BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?


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Re: icedove configuration problem

2013-08-22 Thread Joel Diaz
 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a valid address
 (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
 University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
 reject it (even using manual configuration).

Hello Francois,

I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.

To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
setting up the account. File - Offline - Work Offline.

Then when you go to create a new account, there is a brief attempt to
contact the mozilla database for the domain you entered, and then the
process stops. At that point you can click on manual config, and take it
from there.

Hope this helps, and apologies if I have mis-understood.
Joel


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

2013-08-22 Thread 郭靖
在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午7时50分01秒,Kailash写道:
 On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
 
  I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
 
  but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
 
  
 
  More information is needed to comment this.
 
  
 
  is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
 
  
 
  Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
 
  available.
 
  
 
  mc looks fine and I may tried out.
 
  
 
  mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
 
  mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
 
  is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
 
  vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
 
  the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
 
  on UNIX like systems.
 
  
 
  If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
 
  distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
 
  Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
 
  build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
 
  system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
 
  packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
 
  headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
 
  much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
 
  of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
 
  using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
 
  into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
 
  
 
  If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
 
  
 
  I don't know.
 
  
 
  Debian:
 
  https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
 
  https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
 
  
 
  Arch:
 
  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
 
  http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
 
  
 
  And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
 
  channels?
 
  
 
  You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
 
  
 
  Regards,
 
  Ralf
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the
 
 Debian Administrator's handbook.
 
 http://debian-handbook.info/
 
 
 
 They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It
 
 covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the
 
 install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian.
 
 
 
 Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good
 
 introductory material on linux to get you going.
 
 
 
 Hope that helps,
 
 Kailash
 
 
 
 
 
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it a great work for Debian users.


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Adam J. Gamble
Further to the previous. Dump from failed install here: 
http://pastebin.com/5kLP6K6p , most salient info seems to be:


 * Aug 22 13:40:27 main-menu[290]: (process:5317): WARNING: could not
   open /lib/modules/3.10-2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or
   directory
 *

   Aug 22 14:38:41 kernel: [3.320926]  sdb: unknown partition table

 *

   Aug 22 14:38:41 kernel: [3.279479]  sda: unknown partition table

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Adam

On 22/08/2013 13:40, Adam J. Gamble wrote:
Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)


Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
(compatability-wise)?


Thanks,

Adam

On 22/08/2013 11:53, Chris Davies wrote:

Adam J. Gamblea...@sleep.cx  wrote:

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant
Microserver (N40L).
Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the
slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

 parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

 Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: gpt

 Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
  1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
  2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
  3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris







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Re: Multi WAN Routing

2013-08-22 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
It sounds like what you're looking for is Policy Based Routing (PBR). 
The LARTC howto link you mentioned below is actually what I did when I 
setup a Linux laptop with a trunk interface connected to several 
different VLANs that I needed to route between.


On 22.08.2013 06:11, basti wrote:

Hallo,

i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.

It look like:

LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
 |- ISP Line 2

The ISP- Ip's are static.

Here some links i have found:


http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html

http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363

At the moment my routing table looks like:
rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
217.0.111.222 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
217.0.111.222 dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 111.222.333.444
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.1
default dev ppp0 scope link
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0 Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung
 inet Adresse:111.222.333.444 P-z-P:217.0.111.222
Maske:255.255.255.255
 UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metrik:1
 RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
 RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB) TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)

nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#

At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
Not clear thinks are:

- how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?
- where do I place the code for multiple routing
 (ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1
weight 1 nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)
- did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the
connection is keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Thanks,
regards Basti



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Re: icedove configuration problem

2013-08-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
  1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a valid address
  (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
  University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
  reject it (even using manual configuration).
 
 Hello Francois,
 
 I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
 Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
 and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
 Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.
 
 To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
 setting up the account. File - Offline - Work Offline.

The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:

  
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP



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Re: changing git language

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 14:07 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I recently made an update, and git was one of the updated tools.
 Now, I just tried it and, surprise, it is now speaking french... which 
 I do not like. At all. I only use English when programming, for two 
 reasons:
 1: I am used to.
 2: when you have a problem (and I often have things I do not know how 
 to do with git), translating back the translation does not give very 
 good results. Plus, it imply that I need to type what I wan't to search 
 for, instead of copying the message from terminal.
 
 So, does anyone knows how to change git's language, to help it forgot 
 that it is on a French system?

LANG=C git [option]



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Re: changing git language

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf

 LANG=C git [option]

Write a wrapper, copy git to git.real and let git be a script

LANG=C git.real $*






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Re: changing git language

2013-08-22 Thread berenger . morel



Le 22.08.2013 16:11, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

LANG=C git [option]


Write a wrapper, copy git to git.real and let git be a script

LANG=C git.real $*


I see. Thanks. I think I will go for an alias instead, in that case, 
but I would have preferred another solution. Strange that there are no 
(real) configuration option for that...



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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

2013-08-22 Thread berenger . morel



Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit :

在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒,Ralf Mardorf写道:

On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:

 I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked 
fine


 but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.



More information is needed to comment this.



 is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more 
softwares?




Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is

available.



 mc looks fine and I may tried out.



mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and

mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. 
nano


is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to 
use


vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated 
from


the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be 
broken


on UNIX like systems.



If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another

distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over

Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes 
with a


build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this 
build


system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch

packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated 
package,


headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch 
is


much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release 
model


of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to 
develop


using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that 
easy


into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.



 If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be 
fine?




I don't know.



Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial

https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro



Arch:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook

http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/



 And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on 
IRC


 channels?



You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too 
:).




Regards,

Ralf









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I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file 
manager.


Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge
on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.

BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?


Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a 
ncurse client to do that.


To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run 
aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), 
go to protocol-irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab 
interface::commandline or interface::text-mode.


Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares 
which would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like 
programming language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), 
desktop environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as 
lightweight as possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid 
any thing with many dependencies, like python softwares usually.)



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Re: changing git language

2013-08-22 Thread Teemu Likonen
berenger morel [2013-08-22 16:16:42 +02:00] wrote:

 Le 22.08.2013 16:11, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
 LANG=C git.real $*

 I see. Thanks. I think I will go for an alias instead, in that case,
 but I would have preferred another solution. Strange that there are no
 (real) configuration option for that...

I wouldn't use LANG because it is used as the default for some LC_*
variables, including LC_CTYPE which sets the character encoding. To
configure just output messages, use LC_MESSAGES variable. You could
maybe insert this in your shell startup file (e.g. ~/.bashrc):

export LC_MESSAGES=C


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Adam J. Gamble
Fixed! Was same bug as in 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720442#10


On 22/08/2013 09:38, Adam J. Gamble wrote:

Hi All,

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
Microserver (N40L).


I'm using 
http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz 
with 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/.


Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed 
it would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in 
the slots. However, it just searches for drives, and returns to the 
main menu without allowing me to proceed any further.


Can someone elucidate the issue?

Cheers,

Adam





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Re: icedove configuration problem

2013-08-22 Thread François Patte
Le 22/08/2013 16:01, Darac Marjal a écrit :
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a valid address
 (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
 University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
 reject it (even using manual configuration).

 Hello Francois,

 I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
 Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
 and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
 Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.

 To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
 setting up the account. File - Offline - Work Offline.
 
 The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
 regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
 
   
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
 

properly? are you joking? As far as I can see properly means
according to the wishes of mozilla... and you want that every guy in
charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: The goal of
autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
connection of Thunderbird to their email servers.

It seems to be funny or stupid!

Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
mail server, name and login id?

And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
it so dangerous!

So called simplifications are often very complicated and become the
hell! Microsoft is the best example: I know only a few people with a
windows computer correctly configured and fullfilling the wishes of its
user

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UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145
Université Paris Descartes
45, rue des Saints Pères
F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849
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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

On Qua, 21 Ago 2013, Bob Proulx wrote:

So I went off and set up:

  setxkbmap -rules evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl

All worked perfectly as described.  Accented characters are easily
input.  But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
bar characters āēīōū.  And I don't see how to input bar characters
with the above.


According to
http://dry.sailingissues.com/us-international-keyboard-layout.html,
AltGr + Shift + 3 gives you the dead macron, which you can then follow
with a vowel.

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Re: icedove configuration problem

2013-08-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 05:30:43PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
 Le 22/08/2013 16:01, Darac Marjal a écrit :
  On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
  1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a valid address
  (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
  University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
  reject it (even using manual configuration).
 
  Hello Francois,
 
  I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
  Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
  and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
  Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.
 
  To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
  setting up the account. File - Offline - Work Offline.
  
  The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
  regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
  

  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
  
 
 properly? are you joking? As far as I can see properly means
 according to the wishes of mozilla... and you want that every guy in
 charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
 configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: The goal of
 autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
 connection of Thunderbird to their email servers.
 
 It seems to be funny or stupid!
 
 Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
 mail server, name and login id?

# Devil's Advocate
Mail server? Well, I know I'm j...@example.com so... example.com? No,
that doesn't work. Oh, it's mail.example.com... right. IMAP or POP? I
don't know... I guess I'll just pick one. Oh, hell. Connection
Security? STARTLS, SSL/TLS... Where's Secure or On or whatever. Ah!

 
 And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
 it so dangerous!

Potentially, yes. With an autoconfiguration, you can tell the mail
client to use SSL, that the password should be encrypted and so on. The
other alternative is do do something like Google have: a page detailing
how to set up a dozen popular mail clients, telling you to click here,
select that etc. etc.



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OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:51:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
  I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.
 
 If you've ever seen the graffiti scene in 'The Life of Brian' then
 you may use a word other than misfortune. :)
 
 As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
 how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
 stuff!

If you like all that, try Sanskrit.  It has eight cases, not just six, 
three numbers, not just singular and plural, and more verb tenses than 
you can shape a stick at.  And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has 
German beat for compound words!

And as for being a dead language (no native speakers, used as a second 
language for communication), its important literature was written when it 
was already dead.  Take that, Latin!

-- hendrik

P.S.  Not to mention the alphabet.



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Re: Missing Makefile

2013-08-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 8/22/2013 1:50 AM, Kailash wrote:

On Monday 05 August 2013 08:10 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 8/4/2013 5:22 PM, Tom H wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:11:16 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
   On 8/3/2013 10:30 AM, Tom H wrote:
  
   Do the following four symlinks exist on your box
   (for 3.2 of course).
  
   /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/build -
   /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64
  
   /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/source -
   /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common
  
   /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64/scripts -
   /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
  
   /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common/scripts -
   /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
  
   Yes, all of the symlinks are there. Any other ideas?

None given that the only clue is I can't run make and everything else
is OK.

Your broken setup might be fixed by re-installing linux-headers and
linux-kbuild.




Thanks, but I've already done that twice.  It's got me.

Guess I'm going to have to just dump this system and start from scratch.
  Fortunately, it's only a test system I built to test the new module(s).



Hi Jerry,

Reinstalling the system won't help.

I used packages.debian.org to figure this out and followed the solution
listed here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62877sid=fa12a2b8afd8827ef9ce71e8826d049fstart=15

Have you installed the package dkms?

This in turn should install the package linux-kbuild-3.2 which includes
the needed scripts.

Sincerely,
Kailash




Thanks, Kailash, but I've already seen that (and several other) 
solutions.  linux-kbuild-3.2 is installed.  I tried it with dkms 
installed also, with no change.


Meanwhile, since we haven't been able to get this working, we may have 
to do it under Windows.   And I hate windows, but we have to get this 
working.  The old OS/2 system is on it's last legs.



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Slide viewer?

2013-08-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
Now that pornview has disappeared from Jessie (and contrary to popular 
innuendo, it didn't require the images it displayed to be pornographic), 
can anyone with some experience suggest a replacement slide viewer?

Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome 
libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...

I can google and get lists of viewers, such as http://
blends.alioth.debian.org/imaging/tasks/imageviewer, but that doesn't give 
me much insight from actual use.

So, any recommendations?

-- hendrik


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

On Qua, 21 Ago 2013, Doug wrote:

The only time I have run into those odd-ball bar characters--the
bar is called a macron--is in schoolboy Latin, where the Romans
never heard of them! And the Latin used in Catholic Church liturgies
never used the macrons either. Only Latin teachers, to make the
difficult even more so!


And Latvian, Lithuanian, Hawaiian, romanizations of Chinese, Japanese,  
Arabic, etc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron



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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has German beat for compound
 words!

:D

I own a dust covered Bhagavad-Gītā written in Sanskrit, with a word by
word translation followed by an interpretation (not called
interpretation, but explanation in that book, some master offers the
truth :D). For this book it seems to be different, a few words result in
pages of German text.



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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
  And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has German beat for compound
  words!
 
 :D
 
 I own a dust covered Bhagavad-Gītā written in Sanskrit, with a word by
 word translation followed by an interpretation (not called
 interpretation, but explanation in that book, some master offers the
 truth :D). For this book it seems to be different, a few words result in
 pages of German text.^
 A FEW SHORT WORDS ^




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Re: wireless problem

2013-08-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 22 August 2013 06:34:50 Bob Proulx wrote:
 As to your original: I usually purge network-manager and install
 wicd.

I have just said exactly that on another mailing list!!

Lisi


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Re: Slide viewer?

2013-08-22 Thread Kent West

On 08/22/2013 11:05 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

Now that pornview has disappeared from Jessie (and contrary to popular
innuendo, it didn't require the images it displayed to be pornographic),
can anyone with some experience suggest a replacement slide viewer?

Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome
libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...

I can google and get lists of viewers, such as http://
blends.alioth.debian.org/imaging/tasks/imageviewer, but that doesn't give
me much insight from actual use.

So, any recommendations?

-- hendrik



I like geeqie pretty well; it doesn't do video like pornview did a few 
versions before it died. (And yes, that was an unfortunate name; a great 
program, but you really didn't want its name on your work computer or 
your laptop you let you mom use while she's in the hospital)



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FERIS - rewolucja w ogrzewaniu pomieszczeń

2013-08-22 Thread C.D.N.
FERIS - rewolucja w ogrzewaniu pomieszczeń

Czy ta wiadomość jest wyświetlana poprawnie? Zobacz ją w przeglądarce ( 
http://alotar.xaa.pl/feris.co/wordpress?sendpress=eyJpZCI6IjMyMDYxMiIsInJlcG9ydCI6IjE5NSIsInVybElEIjoiMTM5IiwidmlldyI6ImxpbmsifQ
 ).

Zgodnie z przepisami prawnymi, chcemy zapytać Państwa o zgodę, na otrzymanie 
informacji w postaci linków kierujących do strony innowacyjnego systemu 
grzewczego. Jeśli interesuje Państwa albo Państwa znajomych tematyka 
nowoczesnego systemu FERIS, prosimy o mail zwrotny z napisem TAK na adres 
dystrybu...@cdnbusinessgroup.pl

Zgodnie z Ustawą z dnia 18.07.2002 roku o świadczeniu usług drogą elektroniczną 
(Dz. U. 144 poz. 1204) w celu przesłania informacji handlowej wymagana jest 
zgoda odbiorcy. Niniejsza korespondencja ma charakter informacyjny i nie 
stanowi oferty handlowej.

Nie chcesz już otrzymywać naszych wiadomości? Możesz wypisać się ( 
http://alotar.xaa.pl/feris.co/wordpress?sendpress=eyJpZCI6IjMyMDYxMiIsInJlcG9ydCI6IjE5NSIsInVybElEIjoiMCIsInZpZXciOiJtYW5hZ2UiLCJsaXN0SUQiOiIxOTQiLCJhY3Rpb24iOiJ1bnN1YnNjcmliZSJ9
 ) w każdej chwili.


Re: wireless problem

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 08/22/2013 12:24 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 As to your original: I usually purge network-manager and install
  wicd.
 I have just said exactly that on another mailing list!!

 Lisi
yes, also +1.. I have  installed wicd on my laptop a number of times..
always worked.

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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread François Patte
Le 22/08/2013 17:56, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:51:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
 I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.

 If you've ever seen the graffiti scene in 'The Life of Brian' then
 you may use a word other than misfortune. :)

 As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
 how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
 stuff!
 
 If you like all that, try Sanskrit.  It has eight cases, not just six, 
 three numbers, not just singular and plural, and more verb tenses than 
 you can shape a stick at.  And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has 
 German beat for compound words!
 
 And as for being a dead language (no native speakers, used as a second 
 language for communication), its important literature was written when it 
 was already dead. 

Quite wrong! Sanskrit seems to be an artificial language: we do not
know, until now, if it was the mother tongue of a population... So the
word dead is not usable.

As for Latin, it is better to call it an ancient language, it is still
the official language in Vatican.

What to say of Greek?


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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 19:04 +0200, François Patte wrote:
 As for Latin, it is better to call it an ancient language, it is still
 the official language in Vatican.

*rofl* my plan was to reply and to ask you, if it's their official
language, than why don't they provide their homepage in Latin.

The plan miserably failed.

http://www.vatican.va/latin/latin_index.html

English Wiki: Officiallanguage Latin
German  Wiki: Amtssprache Italienisch (de facto), Latein

I guess I don't need to translate the German Wiki.

I would call Latin a dead language too.


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Davies
Adam J. Gamble a...@sleep.cx wrote:
 Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
 Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)

 Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
 then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
 Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
 (compatability-wise)?

I didn't have any problems with Debian (squeeze) finding my three
drives. I find it hard to believe that SATA device detection would have
changed for the worse between squeeze and wheezy.

Personally I always install from the net stable version and use
the Internet to get my latest updates. See the right-hand set of
selections at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Chris


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Davies
Adam J. Gamble a...@sleep.cx wrote:
 Fixed! Was same bug as in 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720442#10

Ah!
Chris


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Re: Re: icedove configuration problem

2013-08-22 Thread Melvin Call
  The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
  regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
  

  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
  
 
 properly? are you joking? As far as I can see properly means
 according to the wishes of mozilla... and you want that every guy in
 charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
 configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: The goal of
 autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
 connection of Thunderbird to their email servers.
 
 It seems to be funny or stupid!

I agree. As a user I should not have to suffer through my client
application engaging in unwanted behavior that ultimately fails more
often than not because someone beyond my span of control didn't do
something the developers of the application felt should have been done.

On top of that, any sane user should consider an application that
initiates communication with external sources, without permission, as a
virus. Do not violate my privacy by calling home without giving me the
courtesy of allowing it or not. That's just plain rude.

 
 Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
 mail server, name and login id?
 
 And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
 it so dangerous!
 
 So called simplifications are often very complicated and become the
 hell! Microsoft is the best example: I know only a few people with a
 windows computer correctly configured and fullfilling the wishes of its
 user

Excellent point. Several years ago I made the mistake of thinking that
Microsoft certification would be an investment in my IT future.
Completing the MCSE requirements only confirmed just how bad that OS
really is, and a lot of the horror comes from their apps taking the
position of knowing what you want and how to accomplish it better than
you do. Just try setting up a DNS server on their server system and you
will see what I mean. It can be done manually, but you have to be a
magician to find any decent howto documentation. That's the Microsoft
way, assume the user is incompetent. Mozilla seems to be headed in the
same direction. That's just plain insulting.


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