date:20140310

El mar 10, 2014 10:27 AM, Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Poco serio reirse de un pueblo hermano como el venezolano, que esta
sufriendo. Cual es tu objetivo al postear una noticia de un auto de 2007?
 Mi solidaridad para Edward y todos  los venezolanos, estoy seguro que en
breve, recuperaran la libertad y dignidad que han perdido y resurgiran.


 El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:09, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com
escribió:




 El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:03, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com
escribió:

 El vie, 07-03-2014 a las 21:19 -0500, juan.mej...@reduc.edu.cu escribió:
  El Vie, 7 de Marzo de 2014, 8:18 pm, Jose Maldonado escribió:
   El 07/03/14 16:29, Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:
  
   POR FAVOR: crearnos otro nuevo debian-user-spanis-2, que a este
paso,
   esta lista se está pudriendo de cosas que no tienen nada de la
temática,
   ni tampoco de lo que suscita de Debian. Esto es penosísimo.
  
   +1.
  
  
  Que no hay forma de banear a esos usuarios irrespetuosos que se
dedican
  CONSTANTEMENTE a usar la lista para temas que no tienen que ver con
ella?
  Yo le pegara bien duro con en Ban Hammer Level 10!!
 no es exactamente un ban (todavía consume ancho de banda), pero cuando
 alguien me molesta, en esta lista o donde sea del correo, creo un filtro
 que borre sus mensajes

  Edward, está claro que a ti no te cuadra el gobierno actual de
Venezuela,
  pero mandándole SPAM a los miembros de la lista no vas a cambiarlo.
Sólo
  gastas: neuronas, electricidad, tiempo (tuyo y nuesto), espacio en los
  servidores, ancho de banda  cuando vienes a ver has hecho varios
  gastos a la humnidad sin darle nada a cambio que no sean tus insultos.
  Búscate una lista de política y no nos hagas perder el tiempo aquí,
que no
  es la primera vez.
 
 


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 Che buenisimo

 http://es.autoblog.com/2007/05/10/audi-lanza-el-nuevo-tt-en-venezuela/

 me parese espectacular

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No acostumbro a responder este tipo de correos y me van a disculpar pero
creo que no tienen ni el mas minimo respeto, si esta lista tecnica fuera
moderada estos correos no llegarian y seria todo mas facil pero es uno el
que tiene que filtrar estas cosas que no alcanza ni para ot por mucho que
lo sea no tiene nada de interes para mi y para muchos, creo que hay otros
lugares donde hablar y tratar estos temas.

Saludos

Re: Sistema de ficheros de sólo lectura - Lector de Memoria

El Sun, 09 Mar 2014 15:56:25 -0300, Fabián Bonetti escribió:

 On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:17:54 + (UTC)
 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Pasa un fsck a esa llave. O algo más drástico: copia el contenido de
 la llave a otro lado y dale formato.
 
 
 No es solo una micro SD, son varias en esa lectora, por que me atrevo
 a decir que las
 
 memorias son descartada.

¿Varias o todas?

 Se me hace que es el sensor. Por polvo actúa raro.

Pues no sé... nunca he tenido ese problema con lectores multitarjeta: o 
funcionan o no funcionan pero no ponen las memorias en modo de sólo 
lectura :-?

Si el lecto trabaja con distintos tipos de tarjetas prueba con varios 
formatos (SD, µSD, MMC, MemoryStick...).

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Clonezilla no arranca ni por cd ni por usb

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:07:20 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió:

 Hola buenas, clonezilla siempre me ha funcionado en todos los equipos
 tanto booteando desde cd como desde usb. El caso concreto es lo que me
 pasa en mi portatil, que no me arranca de ninguna de las 2 formas.
 Arranca el menú de clonezilla pero cuando elijo cualquier modo, he
 probado todos, se queda con una raya arriba a la izquierda como si fuera
 incapaz de cargar algo y ahí se queda...

¿Comprobaste la suma de verificación de la imagen ISO?
 
También puedes probar con una imagen distinta ya que hay dos versiones, 
la estable y la testing, y dos opciones para cada una de ellas, una 
basada en Debian y otra en Ubuntu.

 Lo sorprendente de todo es que si me agrego una nueva entrada al grub y
 arranco clonezilla.iso desde el grub sí que me arranca
 perfectamente...Algo raro por eso acudo a ustedes.

(...)

Eso podría descartar que la imagen esté dañada ya que de lo contrario no 
arrancaría tampoco.

Dependiendo del tipo de medio seleccionado el cargador de Clonezilla usa 
un sistema u otro (isolinux, syslinux, GRUB2...) quizá el error venga de 
ahí y al usar el GRUB que tienes instalado en el sistema evitas este paso 
y por ende evitas que se produzca el error.

No sé, es sólo una teoría O:-)

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Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

2014-03-10 Thread Cristian Mitchell

El 10 de marzo de 2014, 11:00, Roberto Quiñones robe...@acshell.netescribió:


 El mar 10, 2014 10:27 AM, Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 
  Poco serio reirse de un pueblo hermano como el venezolano, que esta
 sufriendo. Cual es tu objetivo al postear una noticia de un auto de 2007?
  Mi solidaridad para Edward y todos  los venezolanos, estoy seguro que en
 breve, recuperaran la libertad y dignidad que han perdido y resurgiran.
 
 
  El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:09, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 
 
 
 
  El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:03, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 
  El vie, 07-03-2014 a las 21:19 -0500, juan.mej...@reduc.edu.cuescribió:
   El Vie, 7 de Marzo de 2014, 8:18 pm, Jose Maldonado escribió:
El 07/03/14 16:29, Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:
   
POR FAVOR: crearnos otro nuevo debian-user-spanis-2, que a este
 paso,
esta lista se está pudriendo de cosas que no tienen nada de la
 temática,
ni tampoco de lo que suscita de Debian. Esto es penosísimo.
   
+1.
   
   
   Que no hay forma de banear a esos usuarios irrespetuosos que se
 dedican
   CONSTANTEMENTE a usar la lista para temas que no tienen que ver con
 ella?
   Yo le pegara bien duro con en Ban Hammer Level 10!!
  no es exactamente un ban (todavía consume ancho de banda), pero cuando
  alguien me molesta, en esta lista o donde sea del correo, creo un
 filtro
  que borre sus mensajes
 
   Edward, está claro que a ti no te cuadra el gobierno actual de
 Venezuela,
   pero mandándole SPAM a los miembros de la lista no vas a cambiarlo.
 Sólo
   gastas: neuronas, electricidad, tiempo (tuyo y nuesto), espacio en
 los
   servidores, ancho de banda  cuando vienes a ver has hecho varios
   gastos a la humnidad sin darle nada a cambio que no sean tus
 insultos.
   Búscate una lista de política y no nos hagas perder el tiempo aquí,
 que no
   es la primera vez.
  
  
 
 
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  Che buenisimo
 
  http://es.autoblog.com/2007/05/10/audi-lanza-el-nuevo-tt-en-venezuela/
 
  me parese espectacular
 
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  las grandes obras,
  las sueñan los santos locos,
  las realizan los luchadores natos,
  las aprovechan los felices cuerdo,
  y las critican los inútiles crónicos,
 
 
 
 

 No acostumbro a responder este tipo de correos y me van a disculpar pero
 creo que no tienen ni el mas minimo respeto, si esta lista tecnica fuera
 moderada estos correos no llegarian y seria todo mas facil pero es uno el
 que tiene que filtrar estas cosas que no alcanza ni para ot por mucho que
 lo sea no tiene nada de interes para mi y para muchos, creo que hay otros
 lugares donde hablar y tratar estos temas.

 Saludos

Primero la falta de respeto no la empece yo
no puso ot.
no aclaro cual es el tema
no es un tema para tocar en estas lista
busco en google y lo primero que me responde es lo que postee
ignorar el tema no es falta de respeto
pero no aclarar suponiendo que todos de ben saberlo si lo es


o sea recomiendo terminarla aca
y pensemos de cero

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Re: Debian 7.2 USB

El 2014-03-10 a las 12:44 +0100, Jorge escribió:

(reenvío a la lista, me volvió a llegar al privado)

 El 3 de marzo de 2014, 15:15, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

  En fin, yo probaría a descargar la imagen oficial¹, verificar que el
  archivo ISO no se haya corrompido² y grabar la imagen ISO en la llave
  USB³ para iniciar el sistema Live desde ahí.

(...)

 Hola de nuevo:
 La imagen ya la he descargado y la copié al USB directamente. Lo inicié y
 no funcionó nada.

Normal. No puedes copiar una imagen ISO en un medio CD/USB y esperar 
que funcione, este tipo de archivos hay que grabarlos de manera 
especial como dicen las instrucciones.

 Si realmente hay que seguir todos los pasos de la tercera dirección que has
 puesto es un verdadero coñazo y debian no es rentable...

Pues sí, hay que hacerlo como pone ahí, que tampoco son tantos pasos, 
sólo hay que ejecutar dos comandos, el resto simplemente explica lo que 
estás haciendo y alguna alternativa para aprovechar el espacio sobrante 
de la llave USB pero esto último es opcional. 

Me temo que lo único que no sale rentable es la ignorancia.

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Clonezilla no arranca ni por cd ni por usb

2014-03-10 Thread Maykel Franco

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 15:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:07:20 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió:

 Hola buenas, clonezilla siempre me ha funcionado en todos los equipos
 tanto booteando desde cd como desde usb. El caso concreto es lo que me
 pasa en mi portatil, que no me arranca de ninguna de las 2 formas.
 Arranca el menú de clonezilla pero cuando elijo cualquier modo, he
 probado todos, se queda con una raya arriba a la izquierda como si fuera
 incapaz de cargar algo y ahí se queda...

 ¿Comprobaste la suma de verificación de la imagen ISO?

Si, correcta.


 También puedes probar con una imagen distinta ya que hay dos versiones,
 la estable y la testing, y dos opciones para cada una de ellas, una
 basada en Debian y otra en Ubuntu.

El mismo usb, el mismo cd lo usb para otras máquinas y arranca sin
problemas. Sólo es con mi máquina. Es la mismo iso la que pongo en el
grub que la que grabo a cd y usb.


 Lo sorprendente de todo es que si me agrego una nueva entrada al grub y
 arranco clonezilla.iso desde el grub sí que me arranca
 perfectamente...Algo raro por eso acudo a ustedes.

 (...)

 Eso podría descartar que la imagen esté dañada ya que de lo contrario no
 arrancaría tampoco.

 Dependiendo del tipo de medio seleccionado el cargador de Clonezilla usa
 un sistema u otro (isolinux, syslinux, GRUB2...) quizá el error venga de
 ahí y al usar el GRUB que tienes instalado en el sistema evitas este paso
 y por ende evitas que se produzca el error.

 No sé, es sólo una teoría O:-)

Voy a probar con la de testing.


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postfix

2014-03-10 Thread Joaquin Moyares Rojas

saludos lista, como puedo hacer para que , cuando algún usuario envía 
algún correo cadena, o a X cantidad de usuarios. el sistema me envíe una 
copia de ese correo.


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Re: postfix

2014-03-10 Thread Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl

Esa es una mala practica el recibir o espiar los correos de tus usuarios... 

Pero se realiza con bcc en el archivo de configuracion de postfix..



Enviado desde mi dispositivo android.

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To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: lun, 10 mar 2014 9:04
Subject: postfix

saludos lista, como puedo hacer para que , cuando algún usuario envía 
algún correo cadena, o a X cantidad de usuarios. el sistema me envíe una 
copia de ese correo.

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Re: postfix

2014-03-10 Thread Gonzalo Rivero

El lun, 10-03-2014 a las 10:58 -0500, Joaquin Moyares Rojas escribió:
 saludos lista, como puedo hacer para que , cuando algún usuario envía 
 algún correo cadena, o a X cantidad de usuarios. el sistema me envíe una 
 copia de ese correo.
 

apt-get install postfix-doc
ir a leer la documentación instalada, te interesa la parte de poner
límites
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Re: postfix

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:58:40 -0500, Joaquin Moyares Rojas escribió:

 saludos lista, como puedo hacer para que , cuando algún usuario envía
 algún correo cadena, o a X cantidad de usuarios. el sistema me envíe una
 copia de ese correo.

Pues así a bote pronto no se me ocurre ninguna solución premontada. Quizá 
con un filtro personalizo que realice dos funciones:

1/ Detecte el número de destinatarios de los correos de salida de tu 
Postfix.

2/ Que mande una copia de ese correo múltiple a la dirección que le digas.

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Re: Avanzar campos en un formulario

El día 7 de marzo de 2014, 21:13, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:

(se te volvió a ir al privado...)

El día 7 de marzo de 2014, 16:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

Yo ya he pasado por esa etapa y no me duele tener un Windows siempre a
mano con el Acrobat Reader porque sé lo que hay. Y mira, no me importaría
colaborar (pago con tarjeta de crédito, PayPal, transferencia,
crowfunding...) por tener una aplicación que entendiera los PDF como debe
ser.

A ver, sé que algunos PDF con protección extra (esos que necesitan
validación previa a través de un servidor Adobe) seguirán dando problemas
pero caray, que ni quiera se puede seleccionar de manera decente los
textos de un PDF editable, vamos, estamos en pañales :-/

Cada vez lo ponen mas dificil, y cada vez estamos peor. No veo yo
mucho interés en el desarrollo del PDF Estamos igual que hace años,

Igual o peor.

Más allá de Evince u Okular no hay vida. Y ni estos dos funcionan como
reemplazo infalible de Acrobat Reader. Yo ahora tengo que usar dos
aplicaciones distintas para poder leer (¡¡y sólo visualizar!!) los
PDF, una es epdfview (que falla más que una escopeta de feria) y que
tengo que complementar con -alucina- gv (del año de la parrala pero
que al menos no falla).

Muy triste.

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proxy

2014-03-10 Thread benson

Tengo configurado un servidor proxy al cual si bien se podria decir que 
funciona bien, yo
diria que no, dado que los usuarios acceden igual a internet por mas que no 
habiliten
el servidor proxy en su browser y la idea es que justamente naveguen solo 
pasando 
por el proxy.

Gracias.

Re: proxy

2014-03-10 Thread Walter Herrera

Hola! quizas el problema sea que en el FW que tienes, esta habilitado
para ello, deberias agregar una regla (si es que tu lo administras)
que solo el proxy tenga salida a internet, asi los usuarios no podran
navegar sin proxy.

Saludos.
Walter Herrera
Servicios informaticos
software Libre.


El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 14:34, benson mafa...@yahoo.com.ar escribió:
 Tengo configurado un servidor proxy al cual si bien se podria decir que
 funciona bien, yo
 diria que no, dado que los usuarios acceden igual a internet por mas que no
 habiliten
 el servidor proxy en su browser y la idea es que justamente naveguen solo
 pasando
 por el proxy.

 Gracias.


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Re: proxy

2014-03-10 Thread Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl

Usa dhcp + squid + config.pac + iptables y listo...

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-Original Message-
From: benson mafa...@yahoo.com.ar
To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: lun, 10 mar 2014 11:28
Subject: proxy

Tengo configurado un servidor proxy al cual si bien se podria decir que 
funciona bien, yo
diria que no, dado que los usuarios acceden igual a internet por mas que no 
habiliten
el servidor proxy en su browser y la idea es que justamente naveguen solo 
pasando 
por el proxy.

Gracias.

Re: proxy

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:34:28 -0300, benson escribió:

(ese html...)

 Tengo configurado un servidor proxy al cual si bien se podria decir que
 funciona bien, yo diria que no, dado que los usuarios acceden igual a
 internet por mas que no habiliten el servidor proxy en su browser y la
 idea es que justamente naveguen solo pasando por el proxy.

Tienes que forzar en los clientes el uso del proxy para que ni cambiando 
manualmente la pasarela tengan acceso al router (lo ideal es tener redes 
físicamente separadas o al menos con VLAN).

Tienes ejemplos de implantación por doquier, por ejemplo:

Force all web traffic to go through a proxy server
http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/432

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Re: proxy

2014-03-10 Thread benson

Muchas gracias por los aportes..Es verdad, pense que pasaba por alguna regla 
del proxy pero
se me hace que mas que nada tengo que ver el firewall en mi router sonicwall 
y que acepte solo peticiones

de dicho equipo para puerto de acceso a inet.

Me parece mas seguro la ultima idea de tener vlans..




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To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: proxy



El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:34:28 -0300, benson escribió:

(ese html...)


Tengo configurado un servidor proxy al cual si bien se podria decir que
funciona bien, yo diria que no, dado que los usuarios acceden igual a
internet por mas que no habiliten el servidor proxy en su browser y la
idea es que justamente naveguen solo pasando por el proxy.


Tienes que forzar en los clientes el uso del proxy para que ni cambiando
manualmente la pasarela tengan acceso al router (lo ideal es tener redes
físicamente separadas o al menos con VLAN).

Tienes ejemplos de implantación por doquier, por ejemplo:

Force all web traffic to go through a proxy server
http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/432

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Re: Avanzar campos en un formulario

2014-03-10 Thread J. OCTAVIO Avalos

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 17:29, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 7 de marzo de 2014, 21:13, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:

(se te volvió a ir al privado...)

El día 7 de marzo de 2014, 16:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

Cada vez lo ponen mas dificil, y cada vez estamos peor. No veo yo
mucho interés en el desarrollo del PDF Estamos igual que hace años,

Igual o peor.

Muy triste.

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Yo utilizo el Evince, es una pena que no lo desarrollen al menos que
se acerque al visor de apple. El GV es todo un superviviente.

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mail delibery system

2014-03-10 Thread William Romero

estimados de la lista.

tengo un problema el cual esta apareciendo desde la mañana emvio un correo y me 
aparece esto: 



This is the mail system at host mail.grupolo.com.

 

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could
not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

 

For further assistance, please send mail to
postmaster

 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

 

  
The mail system

 

wrlina...@hotmail.com:
Host or domain name not found. Name service error for

    name=errdomain
type=A: Host not found



lo que me resulta extraño es que si envio desde un mail a la cuenta si llega 
los correos pero no puedo contestar pues me aparace lo señalado lienas arriba.


alguna idea


Atte.

    William Romero 
 
  

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Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

El 10/03/14 08:57, Ricardo Eureka! escribió:
 Poco serio reirse de un pueblo hermano como el venezolano, que esta
 sufriendo. Cual es tu objetivo al postear una noticia de un auto de 2007?
 Mi solidaridad para Edward y todos  los venezolanos, estoy seguro que en
 breve, recuperaran la libertad y dignidad que han perdido y resurgiran.

Pues a mi me parece que no leyó mi mensaje, pero bueno es su pensar,
aquí en Venezuela, personas como el amigo Edward solo son los mismos
quejumbrosos de siempre que no aportan nada bueno ni real al país,
porque cuando millones siguen trabajando, el sigue en su pc enviando
mensajes pensando que con eso el gobierno va a caer.

PD: Soy venezolano.

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Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

El 10/03/14 10:06, Cristian Mitchell escribió:
 Primero la falta de respeto no la empece yo
 no puso ot.
 no aclaro cual es el tema
 no es un tema para tocar en estas lista
 busco en google y lo primero que me responde es lo que postee
 ignorar el tema no es falta de respeto
 pero no aclarar suponiendo que todos de ben saberlo si lo es
 
 
 o sea recomiendo terminarla aca
 y pensemos de cero

El que falto el respeto a la lista es Edward y las razones usted muy
bien las ha expuesto. Incluso marcado como OT ese tema no es
concerniente a Debian véase desde donde se vea.

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sobre pam.d y logueo de sesion

2014-03-10 Thread cosme

Hola

Como puedo lograr que un usuario linux que esta conectado a una red y su
autenticacion es mediante un servdidor de dominio y en un momento
especifico no tenga red pueda acceder o sea.

Que primero siempre verifique si esta conectado a la red y de no ser asi
se loguee de todas formas


Se que es mediante los ficheros que estan en pam.d


Salu2




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Re: mail delibery system

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:13:04 -0400, William Romero escribió:

 estimados de la lista.
 
 tengo un problema el cual esta apareciendo desde la mañana emvio un
 correo y me aparece esto:
 
 
 This is the mail system at host mail.grupolo.com.

(...)
 
 wrlina...@hotmail.com:
 Host or domain name not found. Name service error for
 
     name=errdomain
 type=A: Host not found

Tu servidor (o el equipo que gestiona mail.grupolo.com) no es capaz de 
resolver el dominio hotmail.com.

Desde ese servidor, ejecuta:

host hotmail.com

Y manda la salida.

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Re: Avanzar campos en un formulario

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:56:43 +0100, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 17:29, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Cada vez lo ponen mas dificil, y cada vez estamos peor. No veo yo
 mucho interés en el desarrollo del PDF Estamos igual que hace años,

 Igual o peor.

 Más allá de Evince u Okular no hay vida. Y ni estos dos funcionan como
 reemplazo infalible de Acrobat Reader. Yo ahora tengo que usar dos
 aplicaciones distintas para poder leer (¡¡y sólo visualizar!!) los PDF,
 una es epdfview (que falla más que una escopeta de feria) y que tengo
 que complementar con -alucina- gv (del año de la parrala pero que al
 menos no falla).

 Muy triste.

 Yo utilizo el Evince, es una pena que no lo desarrollen al menos que se
 acerque al visor de apple. 

¿Qué visor usa MacOS? Pensaba que tendría de serie Acrobat Reader :-?

 El GV es todo un superviviente.

Ya te digo. Y que tenga que usarlo en 2014, manda narices.

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RE: mail delibery system

2014-03-10 Thread William Romero

 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 From: noela...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: mail delibery system
 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:24:42 +

 El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:13:04 -0400, William Romero escribió:

 estimados de la lista.

 tengo un problema el cual esta apareciendo desde la mañana emvio un
 correo y me aparece esto:

 This is the mail system at host mail.grupolo.com.

 (...)

 wrlina...@hotmail.com:
 Host or domain name not found. Name service error for

 name=errdomain
 type=A: Host not found

 Tu servidor (o el equipo que gestiona mail.grupolo.com) no es capaz de
 resolver el dominio hotmail.com.

 Desde ese servidor, ejecuta:

 host hotmail.com

 Y manda la salida.

 Saludos,

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Hola.
cuando le hago host hotmail.com 
hotmail.com has address 157.56.172.28
hotmail.com has address 65.55.77.28
hotmail.com has address 65.55.85.12
hotmail.com has address 157.55.152.112
hotmail.com mail is handled by 0 errdomain.

me sale eso es decir mi resuelve los nombres.

saludos 

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Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

El mar 10, 2014 3:13 PM, Jose Maldonado josemal...@gmail.com escribió:

 El 10/03/14 08:57, Ricardo Eureka! escribió:
  Poco serio reirse de un pueblo hermano como el venezolano, que esta
  sufriendo. Cual es tu objetivo al postear una noticia de un auto de
2007?
  Mi solidaridad para Edward y todos  los venezolanos, estoy seguro que en
  breve, recuperaran la libertad y dignidad que han perdido y resurgiran.

 Pues a mi me parece que no leyó mi mensaje, pero bueno es su pensar,
 aquí en Venezuela, personas como el amigo Edward solo son los mismos
 quejumbrosos de siempre que no aportan nada bueno ni real al país,
 porque cuando millones siguen trabajando, el sigue en su pc enviando
 mensajes pensando que con eso el gobierno va a caer.

 PD: Soy venezolano.

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Te paso a responder, me vas a disculpar pero me importa muy poco lo que
digas o lo que este ocurriendo en tu pais y  vuelvo a reiterar no tienen el
mas minimo de respeto sobre aquellas personas que no les interesa  ver
temas como este en una lista que no habla en nada temas politicos, no tengo
nada contra ti y contra el pueblo venezolano,  pero es mi pensamiento y me
importa muy poco lo que otros opinen de lo que digo, pero no me interesan
estos ot. Favor tener algo mas de respeto y mantener la idea y el objetivo
de esta lista, lleven sus diferencia al pv que es mejor.

Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

El mar 10, 2014 3:16 PM, Jose Maldonado josemal...@gmail.com escribió:

 El 10/03/14 10:06, Cristian Mitchell escribió:
  Primero la falta de respeto no la empece yo
  no puso ot.
  no aclaro cual es el tema
  no es un tema para tocar en estas lista
  busco en google y lo primero que me responde es lo que postee
  ignorar el tema no es falta de respeto
  pero no aclarar suponiendo que todos de ben saberlo si lo es
 
 
  o sea recomiendo terminarla aca
  y pensemos de cero

 El que falto el respeto a la lista es Edward y las razones usted muy
 bien las ha expuesto. Incluso marcado como OT ese tema no es
 concerniente a Debian véase desde donde se vea.

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Tu igual y por error yo al responderte, pero es mi ultimo correo todo lo
relacionado a lo que ocurre en tu pais se va al /dev/null porque sigue
respondiendo cuando debieras darle termino al tema, para mi ya lo fue si
tienes algo que decirme puedes responderme al pv pero a la lista favor
dejar el temita que ya aburre.

Saludos

Re: Avanzar campos en un formulario

2014-03-10 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 13:57, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:56:43 +0100, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 17:29, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 Cada vez lo ponen mas dificil, y cada vez estamos peor. No veo yo
 mucho interés en el desarrollo del PDF Estamos igual que hace años,

 Igual o peor.

 Más allá de Evince u Okular no hay vida. Y ni estos dos funcionan como
 reemplazo infalible de Acrobat Reader. Yo ahora tengo que usar dos
 aplicaciones distintas para poder leer (¡¡y sólo visualizar!!) los PDF,
 una es epdfview (que falla más que una escopeta de feria) y que tengo
 que complementar con -alucina- gv (del año de la parrala pero que al
 menos no falla).

 Muy triste.

 Yo utilizo el Evince, es una pena que no lo desarrollen al menos que se
 acerque al visor de apple.

 ¿Qué visor usa MacOS? Pensaba que tendría de serie Acrobat Reader :-?

 El GV es todo un superviviente.

 Ya te digo. Y que tenga que usarlo en 2014, manda narices.

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Si me permiten decirlo, yo uso es Foxit Reader. Pero la versión para
GNU/Linux está a una distancia como de acá a Neptuno de la versión
para Windows, que sí ha sido remasterizada. Pueden intentar probar si
funciona. Es un pelo más estable que el Adobe Reader (demás está decir
que pesa menos, porque muchos lectores de PDF's para GNU/Linux pesan
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Información para los listeros de Debian.

2014-03-10 Thread omartinezpaz

Queridos amigos, desde hace un tiempo veo con preocupación que se esta 
desvirtuando el objetivo con que nació la lista de ayuda. 

Por otro lado veo que algunos venezolanos como yo, están tratando de difundir 
un mensaje el cual no comparto y el cual les e invitado a utilizar otros 
canales de mayor difusión tales como twitter. 

Les agradezco, no contestar ese tipo de mensajes políticos, entiendo que de 
repente en su país, no llegue la correcta información de lo que esta pasando en 
venezuela y comprendo que puedas estar mal informado, los invito a las 
personas, que no sean venezolanos y hacer las preguntas correspondientes por 
twitter. @omartinepaz   

Y utilizar este canal para el objetivo que fue creado muchas gracias a todos. 
Enviado desde mi dispositivo movil BlackBerry® de Digitel.

Re: Información para los listeros de Debian.

2014-03-10 Thread Felix Perez

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 15:58, omartinez...@gmail.com escribió:
Queridos amigos, desde hace un tiempo veo con preocupación que se esta
desvirtuando el objetivo con que nació la lista de ayuda.

Por otro lado veo que algunos venezolanos como yo, están tratando de difundir
un mensaje el cual no comparto y el cual les e invitado a utilizar otros
canales de mayor difusión tales como twitter.

Les agradezco, no contestar ese tipo de mensajes políticos, entiendo que de
repente en su país, no llegue la correcta información de lo que esta pasando
en venezuela y comprendo que puedas estar mal informado, los invito a las
personas, que no sean venezolanos y hacer las preguntas correspondientes por
twitter. @omartinepaz

Y utilizar este canal para el objetivo que fue creado muchas gracias a todos.

Y otro más...

Si no quieres ruido no lo empieces tú. Ah y no escribas al privado.

Haz escrito tres mensajes a la lista, los dos primeros para
des-suscribirte, de manera incorrecta más encima y ahora este.

Ya basta, por favor. Cada uno de nosotros puede o no tener su visión
y opinión acerca de lo que pasa en Venezuela, pero este no es el canal
adecuado para tratarlo y menos para ofrecer información vía twitter.

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Re: Información para los listeros de Debian.


El 10/03/2014 03:18 p.m., Felix Perez escribió:

Y otro más...

Si no quieres ruido no lo empieces tú. Ah y no escribas al privado.

Haz escrito tres mensajes a la lista, los dos primeros para
des-suscribirte, de manera incorrecta más encima y ahora este.

Ya basta, por favor.  Cada uno de nosotros puede o no tener su visión
y opinión acerca de lo que pasa en Venezuela, pero este no es el canal
adecuado para tratarlo y menos para ofrecer información vía twitter.

Saludos.


Lo que nadie puede negar es que la lista se ha ido desvirtuando de su 
cometido original, apoyo tanto el mensaje de Omar como el tuyo, la lista 
es una lista de DEBIAN (disculpen las mayusculas) no de otros temas sin 
relevancia o aporte alguno para la comunidad de Debian.



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Re: Avanzar campos en un formulario

2014-03-10 Thread J. OCTAVIO Avalos

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 19:51, Miguel Matos
unefistano...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 13:57, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:56:43 +0100, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 17:29, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 Cada vez lo ponen mas dificil, y cada vez estamos peor. No veo yo
 mucho interés en el desarrollo del PDF Estamos igual que hace años,

 Igual o peor.

 Más allá de Evince u Okular no hay vida. Y ni estos dos funcionan como
 reemplazo infalible de Acrobat Reader. Yo ahora tengo que usar dos
 aplicaciones distintas para poder leer (¡¡y sólo visualizar!!) los PDF,
 una es epdfview (que falla más que una escopeta de feria) y que tengo
 que complementar con -alucina- gv (del año de la parrala pero que al
 menos no falla).

 Muy triste.

 Yo utilizo el Evince, es una pena que no lo desarrollen al menos que se
 acerque al visor de apple.

 ¿Qué visor usa MacOS? Pensaba que tendría de serie Acrobat Reader :-?


Pues ahora no me acuerdo como se llama, pero mejoró bastante de
Leopard a Lion. Va bastante bien.

 El GV es todo un superviviente.

 Ya te digo. Y que tenga que usarlo en 2014, manda narices.

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 Si me permiten decirlo, yo uso es Foxit Reader. Pero la versión para
 GNU/Linux está a una distancia como de acá a Neptuno de la versión
 para Windows, que sí ha sido remasterizada. Pueden intentar probar si
 funciona. Es un pelo más estable que el Adobe Reader (demás está decir
 que pesa menos, porque muchos lectores de PDF's para GNU/Linux pesan
 poquito), pero todavía le falta mucho por pulirse.


Nunca probé el Foxit cuestión de hacerlo y compararlo.



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Re: Información para los listeros de Debian.

2014-03-10 Thread Felix Perez

El día 10 de marzo de 2014, 16:05, Jose Maldonado
josemal...@gmail.com escribió:
 El 10/03/2014 03:18 p.m., Felix Perez escribió:

 Y otro más...

 Si no quieres ruido no lo empieces tú. Ah y no escribas al privado.

 Haz escrito tres mensajes a la lista, los dos primeros para
 des-suscribirte, de manera incorrecta más encima y ahora este.

 Ya basta, por favor.  Cada uno de nosotros puede o no tener su visión
 y opinión acerca de lo que pasa en Venezuela, pero este no es el canal
 adecuado para tratarlo y menos para ofrecer información vía twitter.

 Saludos.


 Lo que nadie puede negar es que la lista se ha ido desvirtuando de su
 cometido original, apoyo tanto el mensaje de Omar como el tuyo, la lista es
 una lista de DEBIAN (disculpen las mayusculas) no de otros temas sin
 relevancia o aporte alguno para la comunidad de Debian.



Es que algunos personajes con el afan de ayudar, destacar, suplir
carencias, etc, etc, al responder lo que sea, cambiar asuntos,
corregir top posting y html, y etc. etc.etc. Dan pie a que luego
cualquiera se sienta con el derecho de publicar lo que se les antoje.
Los antiguos de la lista ya casi no aparecen y ya aburre leer las
mismas consultas y las respuestas redundantes que parecen copiadas de
una anterior.  Desgraciadamente ya no se enseña a pescar.

Suerte.

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[OT] Re: Información para los listeros de Debian.

2014-03-10 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás

El 10/03/14 21:26, Felix Perez escribió:
 Es que algunos personajes con el afan de ayudar, destacar, suplir
 carencias, etc, etc, al responder lo que sea, cambiar asuntos,
 corregir top posting y html, y etc. etc.etc. Dan pie a que luego
 cualquiera se sienta con el derecho de publicar lo que se les antoje.
 Los antiguos de la lista ya casi no aparecen y ya aburre leer las
 mismas consultas y las respuestas redundantes que parecen copiadas de
 una anterior.  Desgraciadamente ya no se enseña a pescar.

Completamente de acuerdo con todo el planteamiento. No hay una sola coma que
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Re: [OT] Re: yo se que quizás no les importe pero

2014-03-10 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:27:22 -0300
Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió:

 Poco serio reirse de un pueblo hermano como el venezolano, que esta
 sufriendo. Cual es tu objetivo al postear una noticia de un auto de 2007?
 Mi solidaridad para Edward y todos  los venezolanos, estoy seguro que en
 breve, recuperaran la libertad y dignidad que han perdido y resurgiran.
 
 

otro pelotudo mas y van...


cuando van a entender que esto es una lista tecnica??



 El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:09, Cristian Mitchell
 mitchell6...@gmail.comescribió:
 
 
 
 
  El 10 de marzo de 2014, 10:03, Gonzalo Rivero 
  fishfromsa...@gmail.comescribió:
 
  El vie, 07-03-2014 a las 21:19 -0500, juan.mej...@reduc.edu.cu escribió:
   El Vie, 7 de Marzo de 2014, 8:18 pm, Jose Maldonado escribió:
El 07/03/14 16:29, Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:
   
POR FAVOR: crearnos otro nuevo debian-user-spanis-2, que a este paso,
esta lista se está pudriendo de cosas que no tienen nada de la
  temática,
ni tampoco de lo que suscita de Debian. Esto es penosísimo.
   
+1.
   
   
   Que no hay forma de banear a esos usuarios irrespetuosos que se dedican
   CONSTANTEMENTE a usar la lista para temas que no tienen que ver con
  ella?
   Yo le pegara bien duro con en Ban Hammer Level 10!!
  no es exactamente un ban (todavía consume ancho de banda), pero cuando
  alguien me molesta, en esta lista o donde sea del correo, creo un filtro
  que borre sus mensajes
 
   Edward, está claro que a ti no te cuadra el gobierno actual de
  Venezuela,
   pero mandándole SPAM a los miembros de la lista no vas a cambiarlo. Sólo
   gastas: neuronas, electricidad, tiempo (tuyo y nuesto), espacio en los
   servidores, ancho de banda  cuando vienes a ver has hecho varios
   gastos a la humnidad sin darle nada a cambio que no sean tus insultos.
   Búscate una lista de política y no nos hagas perder el tiempo aquí, que
  no
   es la primera vez.
  
  
 
 
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  me parese espectacular
 
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  las sueñan los santos locos,
  las realizan los luchadores natos,
  las aprovechan los felices cuerdo,
  y las critican los inútiles crónicos,
 
 


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[OT] PosgreSQL

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Edmundo Barriga Orozco

Hola Lista, 
¿Alguien de ustedes conoce algun proveedor en Mexico altamente confiable que 
pueda ofrecernos soporte en PostgreSQL para un ambiente  productivo en cluster 
de SO y replica de la BD almacenada en SAN?
Saludos.

Aircrack-ng no fija canal

2014-03-10 Thread Arcadia Arcanomus


¡Hola lista, buenas!

Ojalá alguien pueda echarme un lazo.

Sucede que no logro conseguir que el airmon-ng fije el canal de la 
interfaz en modo monitor.


Esto es lo que ya hice:

1) Utilizo el kernel 3.2 y he instalado sus /headers/.

2) He bajado el backports 3.2 (antes compat-drivers, antes 
compat-wireless), compilé e instalé los módulos correctamente.


3) He bajado, aplicado parches, compilado e instalado la versión trunk 
de la suite aircrack-ng con subversion (1.2 beta2 r2371).


Tengo dos placas, una Realtek 8187L y una Atheros 9287, los módulos de 
kernel funcionan perfectamente, ambas placas puedo ponerlas en modo 
monitor sin embargo al intentar ejecutar el comando:


# sudo airmon-ng wlan0 1

Y después:

# sudo airomon-ng mon0

Veo que el canal brinca sin respetar ese 1, por ende, no puedo 
ejecutar aireplay-ng posteriormente.


¿Alguien se ha encontrado el mismo error, a qué se debe?

Desde ya, gracias.

Saludos.

P.D.: Este no es el típico error de fixed channel -1, dicho bug queda 
reparado con el parche channel-negative-one-maxim.patch.//

[OT]Canales de IRC para desarrolladores novatos

2014-03-10 Thread Miguel Matos

Saludos a la lista. Este asunto espero que pase más veloz que el
resto, pues este es el caso: quiero participar de una lista de IRC
donde haya desarrolladores novatos, como yo, para ir practicando y
aprendiendo. ¿Saben el nombre de algunas, que sea prioritariamente en
español? Y si no, ¿sabrán cómo se crea y gestiona una sala de chat
IRC?

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Re: [OT]Canales de IRC para desarrolladores novatos

El mar 10, 2014 10:12 PM, Miguel Matos unefistano...@gmail.com escribió:

 Saludos a la lista. Este asunto espero que pase más veloz que el
 resto, pues este es el caso: quiero participar de una lista de IRC
 donde haya desarrolladores novatos, como yo, para ir practicando y
 aprendiendo. ¿Saben el nombre de algunas, que sea prioritariamente en
 español? Y si no, ¿sabrán cómo se crea y gestiona una sala de chat
 IRC?

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Re: [OT]Canales de IRC para desarrolladores novatos

El 10/03/14 20:41, Miguel Matos escribió:
 Saludos a la lista. Este asunto espero que pase más veloz que el
 resto, pues este es el caso: quiero participar de una lista de IRC
 donde haya desarrolladores novatos, como yo, para ir practicando y
 aprendiendo. ¿Saben el nombre de algunas, que sea prioritariamente en
 español? Y si no, ¿sabrán cómo se crea y gestiona una sala de chat
 IRC?

Pienso que en cualquier canal de un determinado lenguaje o grupo de
desarrolladores te podrían ayudar, por ejemplo en #b2g de Mozilla se
pregunta bastante sobre programación en HTML5 tanto para aplicaciones
como para el propio sistema.

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Re: [OT]Canales de IRC para desarrolladores novatos

2014-03-10 Thread Fabián Bonetti

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:41:11 -0430
Miguel Matos unefistano...@gmail.com wrote:

 Saludos a la lista. Este asunto espero que pase más veloz que el
 resto, pues este es el caso: quiero participar de una lista de IRC
 donde haya desarrolladores novatos, como yo, para ir practicando y
 aprendiendo. ¿Saben el nombre de algunas, que sea prioritariamente en
 español? Y si no, ¿sabrán cómo se crea y gestiona una sala de chat
 IRC?
 

Crear tu propio canal en un servidor del sur http://mamalibre.com.ar/irc/


canal #supremos red irc.freenode.net


Saludos









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Re: Bradesco NetEmpresa versus proxy-squid

2014-03-10 Thread hamacker

Também tivemos problemas com certificados https do bradesco e outros
bancos, eu tive que popular a lista de exceção java com os sites de bancos.
Mas vou tentar essa opção que me dissestes, pois ela pode afetar somente o
bradesco.


Em 7 de março de 2014 18:07, Fábio Rabelo fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Em 7 de março de 2014 17:45, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Tô com um problema aqui que envolve apenas o Bradesco NetEmpresa e o
 SQUID.
  Antes de mais nada quero salientar que esse site funcionava
 adequadamente e
  que recentemente parou de funcionar como deveria, talvez uma atualização
 do
  site ou talvez alguma atualização do squid que houve uns dias atrás.
 
  A tela de login desse site é carregada e assim que inicia o applet java
  (meu, como odeio isso) a janela aguarda um pouquinho e depois é
  redirecionada dizendo que eu não tenho java.
 
  Porém, o java tá lá.
  Se eu libero a navegação desse usuário pelo gateway e desativo o proxy, o
  Bradesco NetEmpresa é carregado normalmente. Inicialmente achei que era o
  DNS que meu squid tá configurado para usar, mas depois de trocar e usar
  outros DNSs gratuitos, descartei essa hipótese.
 
  As vezes eu acho que o problema é o tempo que o squid concede a cada
 sessão
  de autenticada (TTL) que deve estar curto para esse tipo de site que
 carrega
  java e pode requerer autenticação no meio do processo (nossa
 autenticação é
  integrada ao Active Directory). Mas não sei onde no squid eu posso
 alterar
  isso.
 
  Eu pergunto aos colegas, se alguém já passou por isso.

 Boa tarde ...

 Eu não sei qto ao Bradesco, pois todos os meus clientes ficaram de
 saco cheio com a péssima estrutura do site do Bradesco e pularam fora
 ...

 Mas eu tive problemas com o Java desde duas atualizações atrás .

 Eu tive que entrar nas configurações avançadas e desmarcar a opção
 não solicitar a seleção de certificado do cliente qdo não existir
 certificado ou somente existir um certificado .

 Não  sei exatamente o pq .


 Fábio Rabelo

Re: Erro no Filtro de Mensagens - Thunderbird 24.3.0

2014-03-10 Thread Francisco C Soares


On 03/07/2014 08:03 AM, Cássio Elias wrote:

Em 06/03/2014 17:08, breno.deb...@internet100.org escreveu:

Filtre pelo cabeçalho:


List-Id: debian-user-portuguese.lists.debian.org



Cássio Elias escreveu:

Um bom dia pessoal.

Estou mandando essa mensagen mais para quem usa o Thunderbird para 
acompanhar a lista de

discussão.

Alguém ai usa o Thunderbird configurado com o filtro de mensagens 
para acompanhar a lista? Eu
uso e meu filtro de mensagens da lista não funciona. Cái tudo na 
caixa de entrada e o filtro

não funciona.

Configurei para que quando chegar e-mails da lista na caixa de 
entrada da minha conta, jogar

direto para uma pasta Debian que está na caixa Local. Sim, eu uso IMAP!

Alguma ajuda?


Breno, um bom dia.

Obrigado pela atenção!

Como consigo filtrar pelo cabeçalho no Thunderbird? Não encontrei essa 
opção não...





Saudações Cássio,

Veja mais informações no link:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_(Thunderbird)#Filtering_the_message_body 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_%28Thunderbird%29#Filtering_the_message_body


Sucesso,
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Re: Bradesco NetEmpresa versus proxy-squid

2014-03-10 Thread Tobias Sette

Tive um bocado de problemas com o squid e diversos sites de bancos. Aqui
são utilizados o bradesco, banco do brasil, sicoob, hsbc, caixa econômica,
itau. Veja se te ajuda:

No /etc/squid3/squid.conf, antes de solicitar a autenticação do usuário,
libere estes sites:

acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .certisign.com.br
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .verisign.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .startssl.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .icpbrasil.gov.br
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .acbr.org.br
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .digicert.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .geotrust.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .pki.google.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .thawte.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .trusteer.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .public-trust.com
acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .godaddy.com
http_access allow sites_certificado_ssl

acl sites_bancos dstdomain .b.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bancobrasil.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bb.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesco.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoimoveis.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesconetempresa.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescopessoajuridica.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoprevidencia.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescosaude.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoseguros.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .caixa.gov.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .hsbc.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .itau.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .santander.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoob.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobnet.com.br
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobcard.com.br
#
acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicredi.com.br
# Nao faz cache
cache deny sites_bancos
# Faz com que o squid encaminhe a requisicao sem utilizar peers
always_direct allow sites_bancos
# Libera acesso a estes sites, para nao precisarem autenticar
http_access allow sites_bancos

# Libera acesso direto pelo java
#acl browser_java browser -i Java/1.4 Java/1.5 Java/1.6
#http_access allow browser_java


Tambem fiz liberações no firewall porque, a exemplo do site da caixa, ha
coisas tão mal feitas que simplesmente nao devem passar pelo proxy:
http://paste.debian.net/86922/



Att,

Tobias
http://gnu.eti.br

-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Version: 3.12
GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++
!N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e- h+
r-- y?
--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--



Em 10 de março de 2014 09:11, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Também tivemos problemas com certificados https do bradesco e outros
 bancos, eu tive que popular a lista de exceção java com os sites de bancos.
 Mas vou tentar essa opção que me dissestes, pois ela pode afetar somente o
 bradesco.


 Em 7 de março de 2014 18:07, Fábio Rabelo fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Em 7 de março de 2014 17:45, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Tô com um problema aqui que envolve apenas o Bradesco NetEmpresa e o
 SQUID.
  Antes de mais nada quero salientar que esse site funcionava
 adequadamente e
  que recentemente parou de funcionar como deveria, talvez uma
 atualização do
  site ou talvez alguma atualização do squid que houve uns dias atrás.
 
  A tela de login desse site é carregada e assim que inicia o applet java
  (meu, como odeio isso) a janela aguarda um pouquinho e depois é
  redirecionada dizendo que eu não tenho java.
 
  Porém, o java tá lá.
  Se eu libero a navegação desse usuário pelo gateway e desativo o proxy,
 o
  Bradesco NetEmpresa é carregado normalmente. Inicialmente achei que era
 o
  DNS que meu squid tá configurado para usar, mas depois de trocar e usar
  outros DNSs gratuitos, descartei essa hipótese.
 
  As vezes eu acho que o problema é o tempo que o squid concede a cada
 sessão
  de autenticada (TTL) que deve estar curto para esse tipo de site que
 carrega
  java e pode requerer autenticação no meio do processo (nossa
 autenticação é
  integrada ao Active Directory). Mas não sei onde no squid eu posso
 alterar
  isso.
 
  Eu pergunto aos colegas, se alguém já passou por isso.

 Boa tarde ...

 Eu não sei qto ao Bradesco, pois todos os meus clientes ficaram de
 saco cheio com a péssima estrutura do site do Bradesco e pularam fora
 ...

 Mas eu tive problemas com o Java desde duas atualizações atrás .

 Eu tive que entrar nas configurações avançadas e desmarcar a opção
 não solicitar a seleção de certificado do cliente qdo não existir
 certificado ou somente existir um certificado .

 Não  sei exatamente o pq .


 Fábio Rabelo

Re: Bradesco NetEmpresa versus proxy-squid

2014-03-10 Thread ADIEL

Essa primeira parte foi a dica que eu falei para ser feita.
Mas ao invez de utilizar um site por linha, e mais facil criar um arquivo
apenas contendo todos os sites.
Regra menor e toda vez que precisar adicionar um site novo, basta editar o
arquivo e apos isso reler as regras do squid.


2014-03-10 14:25 GMT-03:00 Tobias Sette tobiase...@gmail.com:

 Tive um bocado de problemas com o squid e diversos sites de bancos. Aqui
 são utilizados o bradesco, banco do brasil, sicoob, hsbc, caixa econômica,
 itau. Veja se te ajuda:

 No /etc/squid3/squid.conf, antes de solicitar a autenticação do usuário,
 libere estes sites:

 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .certisign.com.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .verisign.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .startssl.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .icpbrasil.gov.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .acbr.org.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .digicert.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .geotrust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .pki.google.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .thawte.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .trusteer.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .public-trust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .godaddy.com
 http_access allow sites_certificado_ssl

 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .b.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bancobrasil.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bb.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesco.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoimoveis.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesconetempresa.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescopessoajuridica.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoprevidencia.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescosaude.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoseguros.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .caixa.gov.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .hsbc.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .itau.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .santander.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoob.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobnet.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobcard.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicredi.com.br
 # Nao faz cache
 cache deny sites_bancos
 # Faz com que o squid encaminhe a requisicao sem utilizar peers
 always_direct allow sites_bancos
 # Libera acesso a estes sites, para nao precisarem autenticar
 http_access allow sites_bancos

 # Libera acesso direto pelo java
 #acl browser_java browser -i Java/1.4 Java/1.5 Java/1.6
 #http_access allow browser_java


 Tambem fiz liberações no firewall porque, a exemplo do site da caixa, ha
 coisas tão mal feitas que simplesmente nao devem passar pelo proxy:
 http://paste.debian.net/86922/



 Att,

 Tobias
 http://gnu.eti.br

 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
 Version: 3.12
 GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++
 !N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e- h+
 r-- y?
 --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--



 Em 10 de março de 2014 09:11, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Também tivemos problemas com certificados https do bradesco e outros
 bancos, eu tive que popular a lista de exceção java com os sites de bancos.
 Mas vou tentar essa opção que me dissestes, pois ela pode afetar somente
 o bradesco.


 Em 7 de março de 2014 18:07, Fábio Rabelo 
 fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Em 7 de março de 2014 17:45, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Tô com um problema aqui que envolve apenas o Bradesco NetEmpresa e o
 SQUID.
  Antes de mais nada quero salientar que esse site funcionava
 adequadamente e
  que recentemente parou de funcionar como deveria, talvez uma
 atualização do
  site ou talvez alguma atualização do squid que houve uns dias atrás.
 
  A tela de login desse site é carregada e assim que inicia o applet java
  (meu, como odeio isso) a janela aguarda um pouquinho e depois é
  redirecionada dizendo que eu não tenho java.
 
  Porém, o java tá lá.
  Se eu libero a navegação desse usuário pelo gateway e desativo o
 proxy, o
  Bradesco NetEmpresa é carregado normalmente. Inicialmente achei que
 era o
  DNS que meu squid tá configurado para usar, mas depois de trocar e usar
  outros DNSs gratuitos, descartei essa hipótese.
 
  As vezes eu acho que o problema é o tempo que o squid concede a cada
 sessão
  de autenticada (TTL) que deve estar curto para esse tipo de site que
 carrega
  java e pode requerer autenticação no meio do processo (nossa
 autenticação é
  integrada ao Active Directory). Mas não sei onde no squid eu posso
 alterar
  isso.
 
  Eu pergunto aos colegas, se alguém já passou por isso.

 Boa tarde ...

 Eu não sei qto ao Bradesco, pois todos os meus clientes ficaram de
 saco cheio com a péssima estrutura do site do Bradesco e pularam fora
 ...

 Mas eu tive problemas com o Java desde duas atualizações atrás .

 Eu tive que entrar nas configurações avançadas e desmarcar a opção

Re: Bradesco NetEmpresa versus proxy-squid

2014-03-10 Thread Tobias Sette

Citei como exemplo. Quanto a maneira de declarar, prefiro tudo dentro do
squid.conf

Att,

Tobias
http://gnu.eti.br

-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Version: 3.12
GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++
!N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e- h+
r-- y?
--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--



Em 10 de março de 2014 15:22, ADIEL adiel.netad...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Essa primeira parte foi a dica que eu falei para ser feita.
 Mas ao invez de utilizar um site por linha, e mais facil criar um arquivo
 apenas contendo todos os sites.
 Regra menor e toda vez que precisar adicionar um site novo, basta editar o
 arquivo e apos isso reler as regras do squid.


 2014-03-10 14:25 GMT-03:00 Tobias Sette tobiase...@gmail.com:

 Tive um bocado de problemas com o squid e diversos sites de bancos. Aqui
 são utilizados o bradesco, banco do brasil, sicoob, hsbc, caixa econômica,
 itau. Veja se te ajuda:

 No /etc/squid3/squid.conf, antes de solicitar a autenticação do usuário,
 libere estes sites:

 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .certisign.com.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .verisign.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .startssl.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .icpbrasil.gov.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .acbr.org.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .digicert.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .geotrust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .pki.google.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .thawte.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .trusteer.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .public-trust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .godaddy.com
 http_access allow sites_certificado_ssl

 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .b.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bancobrasil.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bb.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesco.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoimoveis.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesconetempresa.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescopessoajuridica.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoprevidencia.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescosaude.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoseguros.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .caixa.gov.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .hsbc.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .itau.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .santander.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoob.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobnet.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobcard.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicredi.com.br
 # Nao faz cache
 cache deny sites_bancos
 # Faz com que o squid encaminhe a requisicao sem utilizar peers
 always_direct allow sites_bancos
 # Libera acesso a estes sites, para nao precisarem autenticar
 http_access allow sites_bancos

 # Libera acesso direto pelo java
 #acl browser_java browser -i Java/1.4 Java/1.5 Java/1.6
 #http_access allow browser_java


 Tambem fiz liberações no firewall porque, a exemplo do site da caixa, ha
 coisas tão mal feitas que simplesmente nao devem passar pelo proxy:
 http://paste.debian.net/86922/



 Att,

 Tobias
 http://gnu.eti.br

 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
 Version: 3.12
 GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++
 !N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e-
 h+ r-- y?
 --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--



 Em 10 de março de 2014 09:11, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Também tivemos problemas com certificados https do bradesco e outros
 bancos, eu tive que popular a lista de exceção java com os sites de bancos.
 Mas vou tentar essa opção que me dissestes, pois ela pode afetar somente
 o bradesco.


 Em 7 de março de 2014 18:07, Fábio Rabelo 
 fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Em 7 de março de 2014 17:45, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Tô com um problema aqui que envolve apenas o Bradesco NetEmpresa e o
 SQUID.
  Antes de mais nada quero salientar que esse site funcionava
 adequadamente e
  que recentemente parou de funcionar como deveria, talvez uma
 atualização do
  site ou talvez alguma atualização do squid que houve uns dias atrás.
 
  A tela de login desse site é carregada e assim que inicia o applet
 java
  (meu, como odeio isso) a janela aguarda um pouquinho e depois é
  redirecionada dizendo que eu não tenho java.
 
  Porém, o java tá lá.
  Se eu libero a navegação desse usuário pelo gateway e desativo o
 proxy, o
  Bradesco NetEmpresa é carregado normalmente. Inicialmente achei que
 era o
  DNS que meu squid tá configurado para usar, mas depois de trocar e
 usar
  outros DNSs gratuitos, descartei essa hipótese.
 
  As vezes eu acho que o problema é o tempo que o squid concede a cada
 sessão
  de autenticada (TTL) que deve estar curto para esse tipo de site que
 carrega
  java e pode requerer autenticação no meio do processo (nossa
 autenticação é

Re: Bradesco NetEmpresa versus proxy-squid

2014-03-10 Thread hamacker

Já transcrevi seus links para minha configuração, obrigado.

depois vou testar e digo o resultado.


Em 10 de março de 2014 14:25, Tobias Sette tobiase...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Tive um bocado de problemas com o squid e diversos sites de bancos. Aqui
 são utilizados o bradesco, banco do brasil, sicoob, hsbc, caixa econômica,
 itau. Veja se te ajuda:

 No /etc/squid3/squid.conf, antes de solicitar a autenticação do usuário,
 libere estes sites:

 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .certisign.com.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .verisign.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .startssl.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .icpbrasil.gov.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .acbr.org.br
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .digicert.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .geotrust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .pki.google.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .thawte.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .trusteer.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .public-trust.com
 acl sites_certificado_ssl dstdomain .godaddy.com
 http_access allow sites_certificado_ssl

 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .b.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bancobrasil.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bb.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesco.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoimoveis.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradesconetempresa.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescopessoajuridica.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoprevidencia.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescosaude.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .bradescoseguros.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .caixa.gov.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .hsbc.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .itau.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .santander.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoob.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobnet.com.br
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicoobcard.com.br
 #
 acl sites_bancos dstdomain .sicredi.com.br
 # Nao faz cache
 cache deny sites_bancos
 # Faz com que o squid encaminhe a requisicao sem utilizar peers
 always_direct allow sites_bancos
 # Libera acesso a estes sites, para nao precisarem autenticar
 http_access allow sites_bancos

 # Libera acesso direto pelo java
 #acl browser_java browser -i Java/1.4 Java/1.5 Java/1.6
 #http_access allow browser_java


 Tambem fiz liberações no firewall porque, a exemplo do site da caixa, ha
 coisas tão mal feitas que simplesmente nao devem passar pelo proxy:
 http://paste.debian.net/86922/



 Att,

 Tobias
 http://gnu.eti.br

 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
 Version: 3.12
 GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++
 !N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e- h+
 r-- y?
 --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--



 Em 10 de março de 2014 09:11, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Também tivemos problemas com certificados https do bradesco e outros
 bancos, eu tive que popular a lista de exceção java com os sites de bancos.
 Mas vou tentar essa opção que me dissestes, pois ela pode afetar somente
 o bradesco.


 Em 7 de março de 2014 18:07, Fábio Rabelo 
 fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.brescreveu:

 Em 7 de março de 2014 17:45, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Tô com um problema aqui que envolve apenas o Bradesco NetEmpresa e o
 SQUID.
  Antes de mais nada quero salientar que esse site funcionava
 adequadamente e
  que recentemente parou de funcionar como deveria, talvez uma
 atualização do
  site ou talvez alguma atualização do squid que houve uns dias atrás.
 
  A tela de login desse site é carregada e assim que inicia o applet java
  (meu, como odeio isso) a janela aguarda um pouquinho e depois é
  redirecionada dizendo que eu não tenho java.
 
  Porém, o java tá lá.
  Se eu libero a navegação desse usuário pelo gateway e desativo o
 proxy, o
  Bradesco NetEmpresa é carregado normalmente. Inicialmente achei que
 era o
  DNS que meu squid tá configurado para usar, mas depois de trocar e usar
  outros DNSs gratuitos, descartei essa hipótese.
 
  As vezes eu acho que o problema é o tempo que o squid concede a cada
 sessão
  de autenticada (TTL) que deve estar curto para esse tipo de site que
 carrega
  java e pode requerer autenticação no meio do processo (nossa
 autenticação é
  integrada ao Active Directory). Mas não sei onde no squid eu posso
 alterar
  isso.
 
  Eu pergunto aos colegas, se alguém já passou por isso.

 Boa tarde ...

 Eu não sei qto ao Bradesco, pois todos os meus clientes ficaram de
 saco cheio com a péssima estrutura do site do Bradesco e pularam fora
 ...

 Mas eu tive problemas com o Java desde duas atualizações atrás .

 Eu tive que entrar nas configurações avançadas e desmarcar a opção
 não solicitar a seleção de certificado do cliente qdo não existir
 certificado ou somente existir um certificado .

 Não  sei exatamente o pq .


 Fábio Rabelo

systemd: ordering cycle and system wont boot within Debian/testing

2014-03-10 Thread Adrian Immanuel Kieß

Hello,

after todays update (10/3/2014) in Debian/testing I get the following error
when booting up:

systemd: Job dbus.socket/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting
with socket.target/start

This message is repeated infinitive times and the system won't boot any
longer.

Can anyone please help how I get the system working again?

Thank you very much

Adrian

-- 
With greetings from Leipzig, Germany.
Adrian Immanuel Kieß

Re: Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M

2014-03-10 Thread lina

On 09/03/2014 21:20, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
 Hi Lina,
 
 Have you tried to switch back to the open source driver first and then
 re-perform the installation process for the non-free driver if need be.
 
 I would:
 - First undo the installation steps of the proprietary drivers in
 https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, don't reboot,
 - Follow the steps in https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo to get the open
 source driver running, then reboot,
 - Re-apply https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, then reboot.
 
 I have a laptop running with an Radeon HD8690M and it's perfectly
 supported in Debian Jessie/Sid with Kernel 3.13.

Thanks.
When I used wheezy it worked, my problem was raising due to the
migration to the jessie.


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/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so

2014-03-10 Thread lina

Hi,

as mentioned in earlier thread,

 (EE) AIGLX error: failed to open
/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so,
error[/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory]

When I ln /usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so to /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri

it still not work. indeed there was no fglrx_dri.so in the
/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri,

I wonder what can I do next?

Thanks,


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IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

2014-03-10 Thread Muntasim Ul Haque


Hi,
While registering in forum.debian.net, I got error message saying my IP 
has been blocked for spamming. But I haven't spammed. Who to overcome 
this problem? Need help!


-Muntasim Ul Haque


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Re: systemd: ordering cycle and system wont boot within Debian/testing

On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 06:45 +0100, Adrian Immanuel Kieß wrote:

 after todays update (10/3/2014) in Debian/testing I get the following
 error when booting up:
 
 
 systemd: Job dbus.socket/start deleted to break ordering cycle
 starting with socket.target/start
 
 
 This message is repeated infinitive times and the system won't boot
 any longer.
 
 
 Can anyone please help how I get the system working again?

Perhaps some service wants to start before and after another service:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689861





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Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 12:46 +0600, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote:
 While registering in forum.debian.net, I got error message saying my IP 
 has been blocked for spamming. But I haven't spammed. Who to overcome 
 this problem? Need help!

Perhaps your provider temporarily is blackhole listed. Try again in 24
hours.


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Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

2014-03-10 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 10/03/14 17:46, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote:
 Hi,
 While registering in forum.debian.net, I got error message saying my IP
 has been blocked for spamming. But I haven't spammed. Who to overcome
 this problem? Need help!
 
 -Muntasim Ul Haque
 
 
forum.debian.net is separate from this mailing list, and they use a
different system (Advanced Block MOD for phpBB) to flag spamming.

If you are posting from your own computer you are probably being false
flagged because your external IP address is dynamic, and has previously
been used by a spammer. The quickest solution in that case is to
disconnect the modem, then reconnect, to change the IP address seen by
the forum.

If you can't change the IP address because it's a static address, or
because you don't control the connection (work, school, cafe, etc) -
contact the address shown in the error address and arrange for
white-listing.

Kind regards


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Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 19:04 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 If you are posting from your own computer you are probably being false
 flagged because your external IP address is dynamic

Hm? Sure the IP will change when reconnecting, but doesn't the IP
include information?

I was thinking of this too, but isn't the IP related to the country and
to the provider? IOW could it be that the IP does inform about the
provider and that the provider is blackhole listed or could this only
happen for email addresses?

Btw. one way to fake an IP:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/anonymox/



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mouse issue

2014-03-10 Thread lina

Hi,

I use touchpad, when I move the mouse icon, it is so easily to select a
whole rang, which is not my intention to select them.

I checked the setting of mouse and touchpad, but no constructive trial
has improved the mouse performance.

Just curious, is the mouse performance also related to the fglrx-driver
problem.

Thanks,


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

2014-03-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner

Note:  My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note:  To everyone.  Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)

I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this bone,
apparently it's up to me to lay down the law.

I'm blunt, I'm curt, I'm brash, I'm confident.  I often ruffle the
feathers of thin skinned users, mostly new but on occasion old hands.  I
make no apologies because I get things done for people on this list, and
on occasion am the only member here who can get them the information
they need, at the level of technical depth required.  Constantly
worrying about the thickness of others' skin during the process is not
my responsibility, *especially* thin skinned whiny children who aren't
even the recipient of an incorrectly perceived insult.

Mission, project, task oriented people tend be singularly focused on the
matter at hand.  We don't stand around the water cooler half the day
complimenting each other on our pretty new shoes and hairdos to boost
each others' self esteem.  We practice tough love when needed, and we
don't coddle people.  We enable them.  We may be perceived as abrasive
or insulting because we are focused on the mission and not focused on
worrying about other people's fragile feelings.  Their fragility is
their problem, not mine.  Some might describe this as akin to a military
mindset, where emotions are expressly ignored, trained out of a person.

I am apparently the only person on this list who practices tough love,
and I'm not one bit shy about it.  Posts like the OP's demand tough
love, otherwise people will EXPECT to be coddled every time they have a
problem.

I refuse coddle people.  That's giving a heroin addict free heroin.
It's a disservice to them because it trains them to NOT learn and
perform problem solving on their own.  The give a man a fish or teach
him to fish adage.  It's a disservice to myself because it
unnecessarily wastes valuable time, just like the need to spank people
here for this childish behavior.  If you want to coddle users, that's
your choice.  I never complain about your style do I?  Likewise, if I
choose to be blunt, brash, and practice tough love, which benefits
myself and the other user, no one has the right to complain about my
style.

But the fact is, many are complaining, whining like a bunch of children.
 Mommy!  Mommy!  The bully at school called another kid a nub!
Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa!

This is absolutely ridiculous behavior, and it's exactly what you've
been engaged in.


On 3/9/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
...
 Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by that)
 isn't an insult? And you think there was no condescending insulting tone
 overall?

Dave, every aspect of life exists in a context, not a vacuum.  Re-read
this paragraph and explain how the context of my use of nub is an
intention to levy an insult, not simply use of the phonetic shorthand
for newb.

On 3/8/2014 11:35 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

In fact, given he assumes everyone knows why he's punching the function
keys, it's pretty certain he's a nub.  And that's fine.  But we need to
know his knowledge level in order to best assist him.


Do you notice the sentence And that's fine. directly after nub?  And
the sentence directly after that?  Is this the context of an insult?
Clearly not.  If I was using nub as an insult, why would I immediately
qualify that with And that's fine.?  I wouldn't, and neither would
anyone else.  The context here is clear.  I am using nub as a general
description of knowledge level, and then stating we need to ascertain
where in that range his knowledge level is in order to tailor our responses.

The context of nub as an insult is simple:  You're a f--king nub!

It's hard to miss the difference between the two contexts is it not?  So
how on earth did you confuse the contexts?  Tunnel vision bias?

I've been using the phonetic abbreviation nub for over 15 years.  Just
because some urban dictionary, or some segment of the net populous
decided in the last 5 years, 8 years, etc, that this is not equivalent
to newb, is categorically an insult, no matter who uses it, or in any
context, doesn't not make it so, just as I can declare red and blue are
now swapped, which doesn't make it so.

It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this list,
and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough love posts
such as in this thread.  And even though said new users are not the
recipient of the comment, they nonetheless instantly overreact, blow
their top, and try to rally the list to tackle the bully.  What
thoughtful people do is create mail filters, without uttering a peep on
or off list.

I know I've been extremely vague, apologetic, and politically correct
here, keeping my opinions so close to the vest.  So I apologize if it
has been difficult for you to decipher my cryptic comments.

Cheers,

-- 
Stan



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Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

2014-03-10 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 10/03/14 19:14, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 19:04 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 If you are posting from your own computer you are probably being false
 flagged because your external IP address is dynamic
 
 Hm? Sure the IP will change when reconnecting, but doesn't the IP
 include information?

Do you mean isn't the IP address associated with other information? -
like MAC address and some info about the software running on the modem?
Yes - but the anti-spam software in question doesn't use that  - just
the IP address (and possibly the email address).

 
 I was thinking of this too, but isn't the IP related to the country and
 to the provider?

Yes.
But I'm guessing you mean isn't the blocking based on country and
provider? In which case - no. Fortunately, Those geo-blocking (racially
biased?) anti-spam measures are useless. Block all China, block all
Russia, etc are as useful as block all Comcast, or block all gmail etc -
far too many false positives (about all those approaches reliably do is
confirm the biases of the operator, IMO).

Generally the problem is a large number of spam posts/accounts created
for spamming from a (relatively) small number of IP addresses.

 IOW could it be that the IP does inform about the
 provider and that the provider is blackhole listed

In this instance, generally no (there are a very small number of
provider address blocks that are blackbanned).

Advance Block MOD uses stopforumspam and other verified spam lists as
the main basis for blocking (it's a very versatile utility).

 or could this only
 happen for email addresses?

No, it 'could' happen for both. I'm wary of trying to answer for all
situations - so call that a guess. I'm also taking the OP's I'm not
spamming at face value, assuming that the OP has exclusive control of
that email address, and that the email address hasn't previously been
flagged as spamming elsewhere (may not mean it actually was spamming -
just marked as spam).

 
 Btw. one way to fake an IP:
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/anonymox/

Yes - however spammers know about free proxies - so they're probably of
limited usefulness in this instance.

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OT: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 20:00 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
  Btw. one way to fake an IP:
  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/anonymox/
 
 Yes - however spammers know about free proxies - so they're probably
 of limited usefulness in this instance.

Btw. when the GEMA, the German collecting society for music, blocks
YouTube videos for Germans, it's not forbidden to fake the IP and to
watch those videos. It's a legal gray area in Germany until now.



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iceweasel default applications

2014-03-10 Thread alberto fuentes

I run jessie version of iceweasel. These are the default applications
on a new profile

http://i.imgur.com/bwdD6J6.png

It does not recognize most of my applications nor it save after i
select one manually after clicking a link

bug or feature?

Thanks
aL


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Re: A question about Aptitude interactive mode

2014-03-10 Thread Darac Marjal

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:48:03PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
 There is, new to me, a new feature in Aptitude. Some time in the past
 within the past 18 months, I lost the ability to adjust the colors on
 the text display.  Now all I get is a white letters on a black
 background.  I get this in both gnome-terminal and in Xfce terminal.
 Both terminal emulators are configured to display black letters on
 white back. In both, when I type the command, aptitude, the screen
 flips, apparently as part of aptitude initialization. Where is this
 behavior configured? I want to change it.

There doesn't appear to be anywhere to configure colours in aptitude (at
least, not in the options), so it may be that ncurses is degrading the
display due to your terminal type. AIUI, an application tells ncurses
that it wants to draw a box here, or put some text there, or change to
that colour background. Ncurses then converts that into command
sequences appropriate to the terminal type (for example, if it's a
256color terminal, then all those colours are available, if it's 8color
then the colour needs to be mapped to one of those available. Similarly
some terminal support clear to end of line, some support titles and so
on).

Check the value of $TERM (echo $TERM) and see if it looks sensible
(there should be a matching file somewhere under /usr/share/terminfo. To
try out another terminal type temporarily, you can do TERM=xterm
aptitude to apply the change of variable to just the one command.



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Re: What happened to use control-alt-backspace to terminate X server?

2014-03-10 Thread Darac Marjal

On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 10:38:35AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 04:08:06AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
  In Wheezy, I used to be able to use
  dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
  to (among other things) set the option to use control-alt-backspace to 
  terminate the X server.
  
 I think you can still terminate the X server with this combination:
 
 Ctrl-Alt-Shift-PrtSc-k

Actually, SysRq+K is the Secure Attention Key (SAK). It is the
equivalent of Ctrl+Alt+Del in Windows. Basically, the intention is that,
if you walk up to a computer you have access to, but don't necessarily
trust, you press this key combo before logging in. You are then taken to
a secure state where it's safe to enter your credentials - that is,
you're not looking at some application that's pretending to be a login
window (a trojan), you are actually at a login window.

On Windows, this is achieved by switching to the Winlogon component. In
DOS, this was achieved by forcing a reboot. In Linux, this is achieved
by killing every application on the TTY (init will then typically spawn
a new getty for you).

 
 You might need a third hand...
 
 -Rob




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Re: Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

2014-03-10 Thread Muntasim Ul Haque


I've tried several times, around the year. No result.


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kamail2 inbox folder problem

2014-03-10 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Hi list,

I accidently deleted my inbox folder (I mean the special inbox aka 
Posteingang) in kmail2. Now I cannot create a new one. 

How can I get it back without messing with my settings and other folders?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: can't build modules after kernel update

2014-03-10 Thread Tamer Higazi

Here is the message:

make: *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.

Am 05.03.2014 11:53, schrieb ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net:
 Please post the complete command and complete English messages you get.
 
 LANG=C command
 or
 LC_ALL=C command
 should cause English messages.
 
 Regards,
 Ralf
 


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

2014-03-10 Thread Jerry Stuckle


On 3/10/2014 4:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Note:  My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note:  To everyone.  Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)

I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this bone,
apparently it's up to me to lay down the law.

I'm blunt, I'm curt, I'm brash, I'm confident.  I often ruffle the
feathers of thin skinned users, mostly new but on occasion old hands.  I
make no apologies because I get things done for people on this list, and
on occasion am the only member here who can get them the information
they need, at the level of technical depth required.  Constantly
worrying about the thickness of others' skin during the process is not
my responsibility, *especially* thin skinned whiny children who aren't
even the recipient of an incorrectly perceived insult.

Mission, project, task oriented people tend be singularly focused on the
matter at hand.  We don't stand around the water cooler half the day
complimenting each other on our pretty new shoes and hairdos to boost
each others' self esteem.  We practice tough love when needed, and we
don't coddle people.  We enable them.  We may be perceived as abrasive
or insulting because we are focused on the mission and not focused on
worrying about other people's fragile feelings.  Their fragility is
their problem, not mine.  Some might describe this as akin to a military
mindset, where emotions are expressly ignored, trained out of a person.

I am apparently the only person on this list who practices tough love,
and I'm not one bit shy about it.  Posts like the OP's demand tough
love, otherwise people will EXPECT to be coddled every time they have a
problem.

I refuse coddle people.  That's giving a heroin addict free heroin.
It's a disservice to them because it trains them to NOT learn and
perform problem solving on their own.  The give a man a fish or teach
him to fish adage.  It's a disservice to myself because it
unnecessarily wastes valuable time, just like the need to spank people
here for this childish behavior.  If you want to coddle users, that's
your choice.  I never complain about your style do I?  Likewise, if I
choose to be blunt, brash, and practice tough love, which benefits
myself and the other user, no one has the right to complain about my
style.

But the fact is, many are complaining, whining like a bunch of children.
  Mommy!  Mommy!  The bully at school called another kid a nub!
Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa!

This is absolutely ridiculous behavior, and it's exactly what you've
been engaged in.


On 3/9/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
...

 Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by that)
isn't an insult? And you think there was no condescending insulting tone
overall?


Dave, every aspect of life exists in a context, not a vacuum.  Re-read
this paragraph and explain how the context of my use of nub is an
intention to levy an insult, not simply use of the phonetic shorthand
for newb.

On 3/8/2014 11:35 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

In fact, given he assumes everyone knows why he's punching the function
keys, it's pretty certain he's a nub.  And that's fine.  But we need to
know his knowledge level in order to best assist him.


Do you notice the sentence And that's fine. directly after nub?  And
the sentence directly after that?  Is this the context of an insult?
Clearly not.  If I was using nub as an insult, why would I immediately
qualify that with And that's fine.?  I wouldn't, and neither would
anyone else.  The context here is clear.  I am using nub as a general
description of knowledge level, and then stating we need to ascertain
where in that range his knowledge level is in order to tailor our responses.

The context of nub as an insult is simple:  You're a f--king nub!

It's hard to miss the difference between the two contexts is it not?  So
how on earth did you confuse the contexts?  Tunnel vision bias?

I've been using the phonetic abbreviation nub for over 15 years.  Just
because some urban dictionary, or some segment of the net populous
decided in the last 5 years, 8 years, etc, that this is not equivalent
to newb, is categorically an insult, no matter who uses it, or in any
context, doesn't not make it so, just as I can declare red and blue are
now swapped, which doesn't make it so.

It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this list,
and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough love posts
such as in this thread.  And even though said new users are not the
recipient of the comment, they nonetheless instantly overreact, blow
their top, and try to rally the list to tackle the bully.  What
thoughtful people do is create mail filters, without uttering a peep on
or off list.

I know I've been extremely vague, apologetic, and politically correct
here, keeping my opinions so close to the vest.  So I apologize if it
has been difficult for you to decipher my cryptic

Re: putting the 'wifi switch' argument to rest

2014-03-10 Thread Jerry Stuckle


On 3/10/2014 12:16 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Nobody is 'right'.  We're all wrong to some degree.

I based my assertion that there is no such thing as a WiFi Switch on
the fact that the term/phrase has been co-opted by lay and marketing
people to describe all manner of things related to Wifi--not a singular
thing--including, but not limited to:

WiFi controlled light switch
WiFi remotely switched AC power outlet
Wireless Router with wired Ethernet switch
Laptop WiFi antenna [en|dis]able via physical or software switch


As it turns out, there is an actual device whose official name is WiFi
Switch.  It's a solid state integrated circuit switch, actually a
family of IC switches, present in every wireless device, whose functions
are one or more of the following, depending on IC model, in order of
functional capability importance:

1.  Switch at high frequency between transmit and receive ports on the
network interface IC because radio is not a full duplex technology

2.  Switch amongst multiple antennae on devices such as routers and APs
possessing 2 or more antennae, simultaneously with #1 in some designs

3.  Switch between different network device IC ports, such as a cell
network IC and 802.11 IC, or simply different ports on once IC if it
integrates both physical protocols--used in smart phones, etc

Some, but not all, of these IC also have a no-connect switch position,
which provides the facility for disabling the antenna(e).  This one
function of many, not included on all switch ICs, and the least
important of the bunch, is apparently what most lay people consider to
be the sole function of a WiFi Switch.  I always take exception to lay
person use of terminology, with good reason, because the meaning can be
different in the minds of different people.  That's the purpose of
standards.  In this thread, everyone but me has been using one of many
layperson definitions of WiFi Switch, not the technically correct
definition presented above.  The following document from a leading
manufacturer of WiFi Switch ICs provides the technical data proving my
points above:

http://www.rfmd.com/CS/Documents/BR_Switch_LNA_FE_Solutions.pdf

Maybe this can finally put this time wasting sub thread to rest.

Cheers,



Or maybe you can just admit you were wrong and his machine does have a 
means of turning the WiFi on and off - commonly known as a WiFi switch.


Naw, it will never happen.  You're never wrong.  ROFLMAO!

Jerry


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Re: kamail2 inbox folder problem

2014-03-10 Thread andre


I accidently deleted my inbox folder (I mean the special inbox aka
Posteingang) in kmail2. Now I cannot create a new one.

How can I get it back without messing with my settings and other 
folders?


use your backup?

br
Andre


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Re: What happened to use control-alt-backspace to terminate X server?

2014-03-10 Thread Brian

On Sun 09 Mar 2014 at 17:59:20 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:

 Here is what I get:
 
  root@dillserver:~# aptitude show keyboard-configuration

You have edited the output this command gave. In ganeral this is not
wise.

  root@dillserver:~# dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
  update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; 
  falling back to defaults
  update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; 
  falling back to defaults

I get this when 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' exits. It is
harmless. Before that there are four questions (five, if X is installed)
asked. You don't see screens with these questions?

 This is a fresh-out-of-the-box Jessie installed from the netinst CD a
 while ago and updated regularly.

So is this. No system files have been touched by me.

 Should I file a bug report?

Saying what? Providing what information?


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Re: IP Blocked in forum.debian.net

2014-03-10 Thread Brian

On Mon 10 Mar 2014 at 12:46:15 +0600, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote:

 While registering in forum.debian.net, I got error message saying my

It's forums.debian.net

 IP has been blocked for spamming. But I haven't spammed. Who to
 overcome this problem? Need help!

Was there a contact address you could respond to in the message you
received?


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

2014-03-10 Thread Wilko Fokken

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:42:09AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
  Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by
  that) isn't an insult?
 
 nub, short for newbie, i.e. new user.  And no, it is not an insult.
 
 Lisi
 

In the British war film Triple Cross, the comment Anfänger (beginner)
was considered the insult of his life by a German colonel (Gert Fröbe).

;-)


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 from cocksure ignorance
 to thoughtful uncertainty.


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[no subject]

2014-03-10 Thread binary dreamer

i am trying to instal misdn/misdnuser/lcr from git in wheezy.
i am getting this error now. chan_lcr.c: In function 'load_module':
chan_lcr.c: 3520:24: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without
a cast [enabled by default] make [2] : *** [chan_lcr.po] Error 1 make [ 2]
: Leaving directory/usr/src/lcr' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory / Usr / src / lcr 'make: *** [all] Error 2 root
@ voyage :/ usr / src / lcr #


any ideas please?

Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]


On 03/09/2014 09:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by
that) isn't an insult?

nub, short for newbie, i.e. new user.  And no, it is not an insult.

Lisi


Ahh, thanks. In my travels, when one wanted to refer to a new user, 
they just used newbie.


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]


On 03/09/2014 11:05 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 10/03/14 11:15, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 03/09/2014 06:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 09 mar 14, 01:39:56, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:

snipped



 Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by that)
isn't an insult? And you think there was no condescending insulting tone
overall?



If you don't know what the word means how did you determine it was an
insult? (or was that the insult?).


Reading  comprehension skills.


You sound like it offended you personally - which um, seems misplaced.


	No, not personally offended; just irritated at the near 
holier-than-thou attitude that seem to come up all too often in 
support mailing lists.



Personally I believed these sort of personal criticisms belonged
off-line, but I'll make an exception in this case - in deference to your
extensively qualified authority.

Regards


P.S. Please wrap you lines at 78 characters or less (72 is common), if
nothing else it may mitigate your critique on how things should be done.


	Set at 72 for a while now. Now sure how it'll mitigate my critique, but 
I'll trust you on that.


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]


On 03/10/2014 04:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Note:  My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note:  To everyone.  Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)

I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this bone,
apparently it's up to me to lay down the law.

I'm blunt, I'm curt, I'm brash, I'm confident.  I often ruffle the
feathers of thin skinned users, mostly new but on occasion old hands.  I
make no apologies because I get things done for people on this list, and
on occasion am the only member here who can get them the information
they need, at the level of technical depth required.  Constantly
worrying about the thickness of others' skin during the process is not
my responsibility, *especially* thin skinned whiny children who aren't
even the recipient of an incorrectly perceived insult.

Mission, project, task oriented people tend be singularly focused on the
matter at hand.  We don't stand around the water cooler half the day
complimenting each other on our pretty new shoes and hairdos to boost
each others' self esteem.  We practice tough love when needed, and we
don't coddle people.  We enable them.  We may be perceived as abrasive
or insulting because we are focused on the mission and not focused on
worrying about other people's fragile feelings.  Their fragility is
their problem, not mine.  Some might describe this as akin to a military
mindset, where emotions are expressly ignored, trained out of a person.

I am apparently the only person on this list who practices tough love,
and I'm not one bit shy about it.  Posts like the OP's demand tough
love, otherwise people will EXPECT to be coddled every time they have a
problem.

I refuse coddle people.  That's giving a heroin addict free heroin.
It's a disservice to them because it trains them to NOT learn and
perform problem solving on their own.  The give a man a fish or teach
him to fish adage.  It's a disservice to myself because it
unnecessarily wastes valuable time, just like the need to spank people
here for this childish behavior.  If you want to coddle users, that's
your choice.  I never complain about your style do I?  Likewise, if I
choose to be blunt, brash, and practice tough love, which benefits
myself and the other user, no one has the right to complain about my
style.

But the fact is, many are complaining, whining like a bunch of children.
  Mommy!  Mommy!  The bully at school called another kid a nub!
Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa!

This is absolutely ridiculous behavior, and it's exactly what you've
been engaged in.


On 3/9/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
...

 Really, calling the OP a nub ( whatever the hell he means by that)
isn't an insult? And you think there was no condescending insulting tone
overall?


Dave, every aspect of life exists in a context, not a vacuum.  Re-read
this paragraph and explain how the context of my use of nub is an
intention to levy an insult, not simply use of the phonetic shorthand
for newb.


	Words depend on context, yes. But there is also the overall tone of a 
message. A more subtle part of communication.
	The phoentic would be noob. Which is part of my confusion. That and 
having never seen the word nub used in the context like you had



On 3/8/2014 11:35 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

In fact, given he assumes everyone knows why he's punching the function
keys, it's pretty certain he's a nub.  And that's fine.  But we need to
know his knowledge level in order to best assist him.


Do you notice the sentence And that's fine. directly after nub?  And
the sentence directly after that?  Is this the context of an insult?
Clearly not.  If I was using nub as an insult, why would I immediately
qualify that with And that's fine.?  I wouldn't, and neither would
anyone else.  The context here is clear.  I am using nub as a general
description of knowledge level, and then stating we need to ascertain
where in that range his knowledge level is in order to tailor our responses.

The context of nub as an insult is simple:  You're a f--king nub!

It's hard to miss the difference between the two contexts is it not?  So
how on earth did you confuse the contexts?  Tunnel vision bias?

I've been using the phonetic abbreviation nub for over 15 years.  Just
because some urban dictionary, or some segment of the net populous
decided in the last 5 years, 8 years, etc, that this is not equivalent
to newb, is categorically an insult, no matter who uses it, or in any
context, doesn't not make it so, just as I can declare red and blue are
now swapped, which doesn't make it so.

It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this list,
and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough love posts
such as in this thread.  And even though said new users are not the
recipient of the comment, they nonetheless instantly overreact, blow
their top, and try to rally the list to tackle the bully.  What
thoughtful people do

Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]


On 03/10/2014 08:29 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 3/10/2014 4:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:


I've been using the phonetic abbreviation nub for over 15 years




Knowledge is not an excuse for being an anal orifice.  And just because
you've been using something wrong for over 15 years does not make it any
better.

You can define something any way you want.  It's how the rest of the
world defines it that counts.

And if anyone is being childish about this, it is you.



	Now, I'm not saying he was using nub wrong; just stated that I never 
heard of it used in that context. Now that it was explained to me, I 
understand his intent.
	His tone  delivery, however, was about as smooth as a porcupine 
wearing 80 grit sandpaper underwear.



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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

2014-03-10 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Monday 10 March 2014 14:34:43 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
  It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this
  list, and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough
  love posts such as in this thread.  And even though said new
  users are not the recipient of the comment, they nonetheless
  instantly overreact, blow their top, and try to rally the list to
  tackle the bully.  What thoughtful people do is create mail
  filters, without uttering a peep on or off list.

 Nah, I haven't gotten anywhere close to blowing my top.
 And I'm not trying to rally anyone.

If the cap fits??  Your name wasn't mentioned! Tho' I agree that it is 
not too difficult sometimes to know if one was meant.

Stan may be abrasive, as he would be the first to admit.  But he is 
very knowledgeable and very ready to use this knowledge to help 
others.  If he upsets you as much as he appears to do, why don't you 
just null-file him?

Lisi


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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

2014-03-10 Thread John L. Ries

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 03/10/2014 04:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note: To everyone. Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)

I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this bone,
apparently it's up to me to lay down the law.

I'm blunt, I'm curt, I'm brash, I'm confident. I often ruffle the
feathers of thin skinned users, mostly new but on occasion old hands. I
make no apologies because I get things done for people on this list, and
on occasion am the only member here who can get them the information
they need, at the level of technical depth required. Constantly
worrying about the thickness of others' skin during the process is not
my responsibility, *especially* thin skinned whiny children who aren't
even the recipient of an incorrectly perceived insult.

As difficult as it is for some people to believe, tact and courtesy are
virtues, not vices.

I've been doing tech support for at least 15 years and firmly believe that
there is no such thing as a stupid question (what's obvious to one person
isn't necessarily obvious to anyone else). And people can be tactfully
told to RTM (to include reading FAQs) when it's appropriate to do so. In
my case, I'll cite the manual when the answer is there.

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Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]


On 03/10/2014 10:47 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 10 March 2014 14:34:43 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this
list, and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough
love posts such as in this thread.  And even though said new
users are not the recipient of the comment, they nonetheless
instantly overreact, blow their top, and try to rally the list to
tackle the bully.  What thoughtful people do is create mail
filters, without uttering a peep on or off list.


 Nah, I haven't gotten anywhere close to blowing my top.
And I'm not trying to rally anyone.


If the cap fits??  Your name wasn't mentioned! Tho' I agree that it is
not too difficult sometimes to know if one was meant.


	:) True, point taken. He did say it was not directed at any one person; 
but given the way he wrote it, it certainly came across as directed for me.



Stan may be abrasive, as he would be the first to admit.  But he is
very knowledgeable and very ready to use this knowledge to help
others.  If he upsets you as much as he appears to do, why don't you
just null-file him?

	He didn't upset me that much; just irritated at his less than friendly 
response. It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian  
Linux.
	As for ignoring his messages, that is a catch-22. I can't knock his 
knowledge (seems he does know Debian very well, and I have no idea on 
the rest of his resume); and if I'm following a thread that he responds 
to; it'd be irritating to have a hole in the conversation.



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[Solved:] kmail2 inbox folder problem

2014-03-10 Thread Hans

Am Montag, 10. März 2014, 13:47:18 schrieb an...@cyberh0me.net:
  I accidently deleted my inbox folder (I mean the special inbox aka
  Posteingang) in kmail2. Now I cannot create a new one.
  
  How can I get it back without messing with my settings and other
  folders?
 
 use your backup?
 
 br
 Andre
I only have an older backup! However, it is working again. Although I do not 
know what really happened, after reboot the folder appeared again.

The nice side affect was, that I learnt, the mails are no more stored in ~/Mail 
but in ~/.local/share/.local-mail.

Somehow I missed this change. Is this somewhere documented? 

Last but not least, it is working again. 

Thanks for all the help,

Best 

Hans


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Re: domain-name option during the installation of Debian

On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 12:05:03AM +, Brian wrote:
 A definitive answer from Martin would be much better than any guess.
 
 Either way it has no bearing on where d-i puts the hostname and domain
 name it is provided with.

My point was, if d-i puts it in /etc/hosts, as you assert, it should
have appeared in the output of Martin's find command. Either you are
mistaken, or Martin has edited his /etc/hosts to remove what would have
matched, or not provided the complete output of the find command he ran.
I've no idea which.


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Re: feature request for this mailing list

2014-03-10 Thread berenger . morel




Le 07.03.2014 21:27, Mr Queue a écrit :

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:28:21 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:


Sounds like I'll have to ask to the admin of my mail account to
implement something to have some filters, or to bother with mess and
spams for ages ( other solution is to unsubscribe, but I do not
really like this idea btw ).



You sent this mail using Thunderbird.


You are wrong. I sent this mail using rouncube, a webmail.


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Re: feature request for this mailing list

2014-03-10 Thread berenger . morel




Le 08.03.2014 02:38, Chris Bannister a écrit :

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 02:28:21PM +0100,
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Ok, I see. Well, asking did not cost a lot, and now I know that it
will not be made to avoid bloating subject field.


No. It is because there are *already* sufficient headers for this
purpose. Besides, remember the Subject header can be edited by any
poster!


IIRC it was the reason used by the man who closed the bugfix.




Anyway, it's interesting to see that people asks for it repeatedly.


Yeah! The majority of people also prefer HTML email, top posting, and 
the

death penalty! Just as well we don't always listen to them, eh!


Indeed.


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Re: Not able to get mpd/ncmpcpp to work

2014-03-10 Thread berenger . morel




Le 09.03.2014 12:41, Anubhav Yadav a écrit :

Hello list,

I have installed mpd and ncmpcpp.

In the /etc/mpd.conf these are the changes that I have made

music_directory /home/neo1691/Music/
usermpd
#groupnogroup  (This was commented out by default)


That's it nothing else!

Whenever I start my laptop, the service mpd is already started
mpd   3304  0.0  0.0 411928   820 ?Ssl  13:04   0:00
/usr/bin/mpd /etc/mpd.conf

When I start ncmpcpp, pressing u does not update the list, and my
playlist always remains blank.

This is what I have tried so far:

1) I tried to change the permissions of one or two music files inside
/home/neo1691/Music and granted read permissions to everyone.

Result: ncmpcpp is still plain blank.

2) I also tried changing the music_directory to its default value,
ie(/var/lib/mpd/music), copied some music there and then started 
ncmpcpp.


Result: Nothing again.

3) I tried changing the user option in ncmpcpp to neo1691, then the
service mpd would never start.

Please help! Thanks!
--
Regards,
Anubhav Yadav
Imperial College of Engineering and Research,
Pune.


What I usually does to make my mpds working, is to use symbolic links 
from my real music dir to /var/lib/mpd/music, and enable symlinks 
following ( I do not like having /etc files referring to stuff into 
$HOME... ).

I doubt it's the reason, though.

Are you sure your files are recognized by mpd? I mean, if you try to 
use wma for example, it won't work ( at least, it never did on my 
installs ).
Also, what you could do is starting mpd as user, while searching about 
what does not work.


Also, as other users, I would try to debug from mpc first. This tool 
will anyway probably be useful to you someday, if you want to configure 
some keyboard bindings into your favorite window manager.


Also, you could send your complete mpd.conf to the list, so that we 
could see if something here is wrong.



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Re: What happened to use control-alt-backspace to terminate X server?

2014-03-10 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 10, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 On Sun 09 Mar 2014 at 17:59:20 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
 
 Here is what I get:
 
 root@dillserver:~# aptitude show keyboard-configuration
 
 You have edited the output this command gave. In ganeral this is not
 wise.

Nope.  I didn't edit the output.  That's *exactly* the output I saw, verbatim, 
from a PowerPC Mac running Jessie.  I was logged in via ssh to the machine from 
another in the same room.  I copy-and-pasted from the ssh window to the mail 
window.  No editing occurred.

And this

 root@dillserver:~# dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
 update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; 
 falling back to defaults
 update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; 
 falling back to defaults

is *exactly* the output i saw on the same machine a few seconds later.  I was 
expecting to see questions about keyboard configuration, including one about 
ctrl-alt-backspace, but they did not appear.  Once again: No editing occurred 
except for copy-and-past.

Let me repeat that: *None* of the questions I normally expect to see from this 
command appeared.


 I get this when 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' exits. It is
 harmless. Before that there are four questions (five, if X is installed)
 asked. You don't see screens with these questions?

Nope!  Nothing.  Nada.

 
 This is a fresh-out-of-the-box Jessie installed from the netinst CD a
 while ago and updated regularly.
 
 So is this. No system files have been touched by me.

I have run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration before on this machine 
(several times) with exactly this output.  I have *never* seen the expected 
questions.

 
 Should I file a bug report?
 
 Saying what? Providing what information?
 

Saying the above.  Providing the above information.

Rick

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Re: feature request for this mailing list

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 07:24:36PM +, Tom Furie wrote:
 This is the snippet from my .procmailrc for handling Debian mailing
 lists. Each list gets sorted into it's own directory.
 
 :0
 * ^List-id: debian-.+\.lists\.debian\.org
 * ^List-id: debian-\/[^\.]+
 $MAILDIR/.Debian.$MATCH/

The only problem with that is that anyone can send you a mail with a
list-id header containing some encoded chars that you would not want
procmail to put verbatim into a file or folder name. A slightly safer
solution is (from http://jmtd.net/log/list_filtering/)

  :0
  * ^List-Id:.*debian.*lists\.debian\.org
  {
:0
subst=| echo $MATCH | sed 's/\([A-Za-z0-9-]\+\)\..*/\1/'

:0
$MAILDIR/$subst/
  }

(note that my variation also removes dots, you may wish to tweak).


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Re: feature request for this mailing list

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 05:23:59PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 Le 07.03.2014 21:27, Mr Queue a écrit :
 You sent this mail using Thunderbird.
 
 You are wrong. I sent this mail using rouncube, a webmail.

Forgive Mr Queue's mistake, it was an innocent one, because your MUA
is lying about its origin:

   User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929
   Thunderbird/7.0.1


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Re: feature request for this mailing list