date:20140331

On Du, 30 mar 14, 10:57:37, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:42:52 +0200
 Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote:
 
 Hello Nemeth,
 
 Are you sure?
 When the kernel version number changes, the
 linux-image-versionnumber-amd64.deb will be a new package.
 
 Yes.  Stephen said ..assuming of course the meta package is
 installed.  He didn't write that without reason.

The meta package is upgrade, but the actual linux-image-version 
package is not. Without dist-upgrade apt will just hold the meta package 
back, because it can't be upgraded without installing a new package.

You might be thinking of 'aptitude safe-upgrade' which does indeed 
install new dependencies.

Hope this explains,
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Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.

 Okay, I got you.

 First of all, if you want your i3wm to have the right PATH variable, you
 should set it before him to run, i.e. in ~/.xsession file. Here's my

Right now I have lightdm installed. In my lightdm.conf file I have this
setting:
user-session: i3

And lightdm starts my i3.

So If I make a .~/.xsession will it clash with my setup right now?

I will try your method and report again! Thanks!



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Re: Using reportbug

On Sb, 29 mar 14, 20:04:45, Joe wrote:
 On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:15:42 -0500
 Frank Stachyra frankstach...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
  Surely there is a way to do this that might be made more readily
  apparent to anybody who has never used reportbug, and is not adept at
  using linux terminals.
 
 Yes, it could be improved, but someone has to stop fixings bugs in
 order to do so.

reportbug has a graphical mode.

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Octave plot bug in Debian testing branch

2014-03-31 Thread Hörmetjan Yiltiz

Hi,

I guess I should have sent this to dev list rather than this one.
For short, Octave panics with segfault after `plot(1:5)' function.

This problem might be caused by upstream:
http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitemitem_id=41067

I think we need our packager to get the patch in the system.

thanks!

Best，

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else* from you (and me).
 The Prophet, Gibran Kahlil

Re: Unable to execute a script without asking for sudo password, even after editing sudoers file.

On Du, 30 mar 14, 16:44:13, Anubhav Yadav wrote:
 This script is stored in home/neo1691/bin/ directory and the directory
 is added in the PATH variable by adding   'export
 PATH=${PATH}:/home/neo1691/bin' in my .~/.bashrc file
... 
 2) Is exporting the PATH variable like I had did is the correct way to
 add my directory to PATH,

The default ~/.profile on Debian already has:

# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
fi

Now you just have to make sure whatever method you use to start X is 
also sourcing ~/.environment.

 if I want the other processes to also access the scripts in
 that folder?

Depends on what you want to achieve. Because you put $HOME/bin at the 
end of $PATH (instead of in front as ~/.environment does) a script with 
the same name in one of the other directories will take precedence over 
yours, which may or may not be what you want.

This is not a problem in your particular case[1], but might bite you 
when you're trying to override a system script or binary with your own.

[1] according to apt-file there is no 'i3exit' file in Debian.

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Re: Octave plot bug in Debian testing branch

2014-03-31 Thread Hörmetjan Yiltiz

And this says update all dependencies:
http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41071

祝好，

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else* from you (and me).
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On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Hörmetjan Yiltiz hyil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I guess I should have sent this to dev list rather than this one.
 For short, Octave panics with segfault after `plot(1:5)' function.

 This problem might be caused by upstream:
 http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitemitem_id=41067

 I think we need our packager to get the patch in the system.

 thanks!

 Best，
 
 He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all
 else* from you (and me).
  The Prophet, Gibran
 Kahlil

Re: no eth0 connection

On Du, 30 mar 14, 22:31:54, Robert Holtzman wrote:
 I seem to remember this happening after an update but I'm not positive.
 It did work before. My wireless connection continues to work.
 
 Looked at the usual suspects, /etc/ network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, 
 etc but everything looked the same as before as close as I remember.
 
Would help if you actually attached those. Also do you have 
network-manager or wicd installed? What do you use to configure the 
wireless?

 Searching on the subject line turns up a lot of hits but nothing I tried
 produced a connection.
 
 Didn't see anything applicable in dmesg but I may have missed it. 
 
 ifup eth0 gives Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0

Please post the output of 'ip a'.

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Re: Octave plot bug in Debian testing branch

On Lu, 31 mar 14, 17:43:16, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I guess I should have sent this to dev list rather than this one.

No, please use reportbug to file a bug against the octave package you 
have installed:

reportbug package

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Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.

2014-03-31 Thread Dmitrii Kashin

Anubhav Yadav anubhav1...@gmail.com writes:

 Okay, I got you.

 First of all, if you want your i3wm to have the right PATH variable, you
 should set it before him to run, i.e. in ~/.xsession file. Here's my

 Right now I have lightdm installed. In my lightdm.conf file I have this
 setting:
 user-session: i3

 And lightdm starts my i3.

 So If I make a .~/.xsession will it clash with my setup right now?

No. In case of lightdm the situation seems to be a bit different.

I'm using XDM which uses an old-style variant of loading a graphical
environment. XDM just executes /etc/X11/Xsession script that aims to
start your window manager. In order to do it, it loads different files
From user's home directory. One of them is ~/.xsession.

But lightdm uses the system of profiles that it calls (also)
sessions. If you want to use my solution with lightdm display manager,
you should add a new profile which will execute /etc/X11/Xsession
script.

It will be some kind of this:

-- /usr/share/xsessions/user-defined.desktop --
[Desktop Entry]
Name=user defined session
Exec=/etc/X11/Xsession
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Re: Locatedb not Updating

2014-03-31 Thread David Baron

More ...

There is a locate script in /etc/cron.daily which should be run as a matter or 
daily anacron course. Has not been. No entry in syslog. Syslog has not been 
daily-logrotated during this period either.

The working part of the locate script can be run manually.


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Re: Whole System Encryption, LVM Extended Partition

2014-03-31 Thread Darac Marjal

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 04:49:41PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
 Did a couple of trial installs of Wheezy in VirtualBox in anticipation of the 
 real thing on an as yet to be purchased notebook, and noticed something 
 puzzling with the Guided-Encrypted-LVM partitioning option. (I've never done 
 encryption on my systems before.)  The installer used a classic Extended 
 partition, i.e. sda5, instead of a Primary one on which to place the LVMs: /, 
 swap, /home.  /boot was a Primary, as expected.  Seems like a unneeded use of 
 a logical partition layer on which to place another layer of logical 
 partitions.
 
 Any valid reason for doing this?

No evidence to support this, but I suspect the reason the installer
prefers a logical partition is that Linux is perfectly happy booting
from one. There are, I suspect, a significant proportion of people who
install Debian alongside Windows and, notably, that needs (at least one)
primary partition to boot from.



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Re: Problem rendering a man page in new install. Help!

2014-03-31 Thread Curt

On 2014-03-28, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:

 Any quick fix? Or what further information can I provide? 

You tried changing the font I suppose (Edit/Profile Preferences)?


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Re: What an intriguing post

2014-03-31 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2014-03-31 11:03 GMT+02:00 Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de:

 On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 11:39:48AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  Wilko, this is so creative, so cute, so humorous, so on-topic, and so
  necessary, especially the part about a death camp, that I'm overwhelmed
  trying to think of a worthy response.


 The tryers should give up;
 and those, who've given up,
 should try.


oh my... you are such an idiot
you should start thinking about a bugfix release

Re: Locatedb not Updating

On Mon 31 Mar 2014 at 13:22:04 +0300, David Baron wrote:

 More ...

In another mail you were asked a single question. Do you have a response
to that question?

In the same mail an observation was made. It implied that the file
cron-spamassassin-rules was put in /etc/cron.daily by you and not by a
Debian package. Do you have a response to that too?

We are now reduced to guessing that cron-spamassassin-rules is not a
Debian file and it is the problem.

 There is a locate script in /etc/cron.daily which should be run as a matter 
 or 
 daily anacron course. Has not been. No entry in syslog. Syslog has not been 
 daily-logrotated during this period either.

There is an *mlocate* script in /etc/cron.daily.

1. Delete /var/spool/anacron.daily.

2. Move all the files out of /etc/cron.daily apart from 0anacron and
   mlocate.

3. Run '/usr/sbin/anacron -s'.

4. Does 'ps ax | grep cron' have '/usr/sbin/anacron -s' in its output
   and does syslog report that anacron was started?

5. 5 minutes later does /var/spool/anacron.daily exist and has syslog
   been updated to reflect that? Has '/usr/sbin/anacron -s' disappeared
   from the output of 'ps ax'?

6. Rename cron-spamassassin-rules to spamassassin-rules and add it to
   /etc/cron.daily. Repeat 1-5. An additional question: are the time
   data for /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db altered?

7. Kill any unwanted processes and repeat 1-6 after renaming
   spamassassin-rules to cron-spamassassin-rules.











 The working part of the locate script can be run manually.
 


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Debian installs for the bandwidth limited (e.g. dialup)

2014-03-31 Thread Richard Owlett


I install from purchased DVD sets as I am on dialup.
I am also experimenting with how/what I install.
When in experiment mode I may make several installs in a day.
As there are only small differences between installs, I use 
preseeding extensively.
I'm starting a new round after not doing much for a year.I'm 
being reminded of the dearth of information aimed at those 
installing from physical cd/dvd.


Is they anyone collecting this to one location?
I've got bits and pieces in correspondence and notes I made last 
time around but I don't have composition skills to put in a form 
suitable for a wiki/??? .


Comments?
TIA


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Why no GNOME-photos in Debian?

2014-03-31 Thread Oliver Propst

I wounder why Gnome-photos [1] is not available in Debian? Any
technical reasons that makes it hard to package?


1 https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Photos

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Re: Why no GNOME-photos in Debian?

On Mon 31 Mar 2014 at 17:15:55 +0200, Oliver Propst wrote:

 I wounder why Gnome-photos [1] is not available in Debian? Any
 technical reasons that makes it hard to package?

You could ask the person who submitted the ITP. Oh

   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737445


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

On Mon 31 Mar 2014 at 05:03:14 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

 Which should be the best option for me?
 
 xterm*color1: #f92672
 
 or
 
 XTerm*VT100*color1: #f92672

Both override what is in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color. The first
option is best for me.

 And what is the difference between the resources
 color1 and color?

First read about the -p option in dircolors(1). There are 8 available
colours (30-37) for a terminal outside X. In an xterm color0, color1 etc
correspond to 30, 31 etc. colors 8-15 corresond to the bold variants of
these colors. Please see xterm(1) and /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color.

For example, DIR is 01;34. This corresponds to color12.

I'd suggest we are now going well beyond your original (solved) problem.


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google drive client on debian

2014-03-31 Thread ChadDavis

Has anyone had any experience, recently, with Grive or SyncDrive on Debian
Wheezy?

Other clients would be fine too, I'm just trying to figure out what my
options are for a Google Drive client on a Debian system.

Bash: where to put and how to load function libs?

2014-03-31 Thread Michael Schuerig


I'm in the process of reorganizing bash/shell scripts I've accumulated 
over the years. In several places I have been lazy and as a result there 
is duplicate code that I want to extract into shared function libraries. 
This has led me to a few questions:

Where do I put shell function libs? There are several candidates:

- /usr/local/share: they are architecture independent, after all
- /usr/local/lib: that's where pythonX.Y and site_ruby go

What's the proper extension?

- .sh: even if it's bash code?
- .bash.
- .functions

How do I test a script that's sourcing such a lib *without* installing 
the lib?

# my-script:
#!/bin/bash
. /usr/local/lib/my.functions
...

The file at /usr/local/lib/my.functions is the current production 
version. However, I want to test the version at 
/usr/local/src/myscripts/my.functions. I'm considering something like 
this

# my-script:
#!/bin/bash
. ${SCRIPT_LIB_PATH:-/usr/local/lib}/my.functions

$ SCRIPT_LIB_PATH=/usr/local/src/myscripts my-script

Is there a better way?

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Was I deleted?

Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down?

I don't get any mails from the list at the moment. In the past I got about 
10-50 Mails every day - now exact zero.

This is also a testmail, so sorry for the noise.

Best 

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Re: Was I deleted?

2014-03-31 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
 Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down?

Apparently neither.

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Re: Was I deleted?

Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:29:58 schrieben Sie:
 (offlist). I can read you. Maybe incoming mail ended up in spam?
 Ciao
 -F
 
 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 07:26:48PM +0200, Hans wrote:
  Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down?
  
  I don't get any mails from the list at the moment. In the past I got about
  10-50 Mails every day - now exact zero.
  
  This is also a testmail, so sorry for the noise.
  
  Best
  
  Hans

No, not on my pc. Maybe at my provider. I will check it out. Strange, as I 
disabled the spam filter at my provider, and here on my pc spam goes ionto a 
spam folder, and will not be deleted.

But thank you, for informing me. However, I get not a single mail from the 
list. Strange

Best 

Hans




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Re: Can't find media on USB storage

2014-03-31 Thread Bruno Schneider

I've seen John's messages.

My current understating of the problem now follows:

- Newer Debian machines have udisks2 and not udisks. It seems udisks2
sucks [1] and is not doing its job like it should.
- Udisks and udisks2 are incompatible but we can install both on the
same machine. Installing udisks and starting its daemon solves the
problem - media is correctly recognized and devices such as /dev/sdb1
are created for sdcards.

However, udisks daemon is not started automatically. I have to start
it using udisks --enumerate on a command line. After that, both
Gnome and XFCE work as I expect them to.

Now, I'm trying to figure out how to have the udisks daemon started
automatically...

[1] http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/udisks2-another-loss-for-linux/


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Re: kernel upgrade

2014-03-31 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy

2014-03-30 14:59 keltezéssel, Stephen Allen írta:

 Are you sure?
 When the kernel version number changes, the
 linux-image-versionnumber-amd64.deb will be a new package.

 Plain apt-get upgrade upgrades the installed packages only and does not
 install new package. But in this case the linux-image- is a new
 package so upgrade will not install it.
 
 What Brad said  :)
 
 
... was not correct... :)

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RE: Was I deleted?

Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany blocks 
the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my incoming folder, 
nor one in spam or elsewhere. 

Other mails from other destinations or domains are delivered correctly. I 
cannot find out, if it is a personal or a general problem. Maybe if someone 
else got loop.de or o2online.de in his mail-address might confirm or deny this.

Please send answers of this subject as copy to my address, so I can read them. 
I will of course send to the list as copy as well.

Thank you very much. 
 

Hans


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Re: Jessie Post-Install

2014-03-31 Thread Bruno Schneider

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Allen wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:10:50AM +, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 28 Mar 2014 at 19:33:44 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote:
  Shouldn't the wifi have been configured? How in the hell would have a
  newbie been expected to configure it manually? Should a bug be filed
  for +that?

 You installed a DE so you should expect WiFi to be operative after the
 install if you used it during it.

 Exactly. I'll file a bug.

You probably just need some non free firmware.

For instance, if your hardware is realtek, just install
firmware-realtek and it should work.

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IRC

2014-03-31 Thread Fernando José Souza

Olá amigo, eu sou aluno da USP. Estou mandando esse email, pois quem faz
compras pela internet (como eu) tem que ter conhecimento dessa ferramenta.
É o Meliuz, onde você pode economizar muito dinheiro nas suas compras.
Entenda melhor vendo o video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD714prs8BI

O melhor é que é totalmente grátis, basta se cadastrar. Segue o link abaixo
para o cadastro:

http://www.meliuz.com.br/ref_mauri-ps



Isso não é vírus, pode ficar tranquilo. Qualquer dúvida pode responder esse
email.

Fernando J.

Re: kernel upgrade

2014-03-31 Thread Brad Rogers

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:46:15 +0200
Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote:

Hello Nemeth,

... was not correct... :)

For my set of circumstances, it is.  However, I neglected to take proper
note of yours.  You're using apt-get (etc.) and I tend to use Synaptic.
Clearly, behaviour is different in each case.

Mea Culpa.

With the meta-package installed on my system, Synaptic will pull in and
install the latest kernel, and run grub-config to update the boot
loader.  This result in making the new kernel the default, and demoting
an other kernel(s) installed.  Once I'm happy that the upgraded kernel
works as required, I can delete the old kernel(s), if I wish.  I usually
keep one older kernel available, 'just in case'.

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Re: Was I deleted?

2014-03-31 Thread Ron Leach


On 31/03/2014 18:55, Hans wrote:

Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany blocks
the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my incoming folder,
nor one in spam or elsewhere.



I guess you have checked and have found the cause.

The same 'symptom' could appear, also, for another reason; debian list 
server will stop sending mails to any address from which it has 
received 'bounces' greater than some quantity (I think 80 % threshold, 
but not sure).  Is it (instead) possible that o2 is not blocking that 
domain but, instead, for some reason mail to you is being bounced?  Or 
did your check definitely rule out this additional possibility?


regards, Ron


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Re: Dual Display from ATI 7700

2014-03-31 Thread ray

Kent,

Thank you for your response.  The first path addressed KDE.  I think I am using 
Gnome; I am using the default, it has the menus at the top like Gnome where KDE 
has them at the bottom and I have not found any way to determine which GUI I 
actually have.

I would think that Gnome would have a similar function for extended 
desktop mode but I have not found anything that addresses display control.  I 
am surprised that right clicking on the desktop does not produce anything.

I will install arandr tonite and see how it goes.

ray


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getting emails from cron despite redirecting output to a log file

2014-03-31 Thread David Nelson

Hello,

I have configured mrtg to log network traffic for our organization. This is
working nicely except at some point while I was fiddling with the scripts
under /etc/cron.d, which run every 5 minutes to collect snmp data I started
getting emails to root from cron. I have stared at this and googled a
bit... yes even the man page, but I don't see what I have messed up here:

 if [ -x /usr/bin/mrtg ]  [ -r /etc/mrtg/rm_127_switch-mrtg.cfg ] ; then
env LANG=C /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/rm_127_switch-mrtg.cfg 21 | tee -a
/var/log/mrtg/mrtg.log ; fi

To clarify the above is not the whole line from the file under
/etc/cron.d/. I don't have access to that system right now so I am just
posting the command part that I keep getting in my email.

Also, I have jobs for a few different switches setup like this. Is there
any reason I can't let the output all go into the same log file? Hmmm...
Wonder if it's a problem that all these jobs are trying to write to the
same log file at once?

Ok. I think I know the next thing I am going to try, but I would sure
welcome your thoughts.

Have a great day!
David

Re: Was I deleted?

Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:12:40 schrieb Ron Leach:
 On 31/03/2014 18:55, Hans wrote:
  Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany
  blocks the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my
  incoming folder, nor one in spam or elsewhere.
 
 I guess you have checked and have found the cause.
 
 The same 'symptom' could appear, also, for another reason; debian list
 server will stop sending mails to any address from which it has
 received 'bounces' greater than some quantity (I think 80 % threshold,
 but not sure).  Is it (instead) possible that o2 is not blocking that
 domain but, instead, for some reason mail to you is being bounced?  Or
 did your check definitely rule out this additional possibility?
 
 regards, Ron

Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I 
remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This 
mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not 
quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail, 
too, but I guess, this might be the reason. 

How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future? I have no own 
mailserver, where I can change things, I have just a provider. Damned, if one 
doesn't all by himself, things always go wrong!

Best

Hans


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Re: dirvish still a good choice?

2014-03-31 Thread Mark Neyhart

On 03/29/2014 01:32 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Mark Neyhart mark.neyh...@akleg.gov wrote:
 On 03/28/2014 03:22 PM, Peter Michaux wrote:

 Is Dirvish still a good choice in 2014?


 Dirvish just works.  I've been using it for years.
 
 Where is your bank directory?
 
 The example configuration file has /backups but that is not ok
 according to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.
 
 | Applications must never create or require special files or
 | subdirectories in the root directory.
 
I set it up before I read the FHS, so I used /backups.  If I were to
do it now, I'd probably use /srv/backups.

 Would /var/backups/dirvish be a good choice? The only thing the FHS
 has to say about /var/backups is
 
 | Several directories are 'reserved' in the sense that they
 | must not be used arbitrarily by some new application,
 | since they would conflict with historical and/or local practice.

It's just a personal preference, but I try not to use /var for
anything which has the potential to get really big.  I don't think you
would have a problem with /var/backups/dirvish as long as it was a
mount point for your actual backup volume.

Mark


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Re: Was I deleted?

2014-03-31 Thread Ron Leach


On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote:


Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I
remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This
mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not
quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail,
too, but I guess, this might be the reason.

How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future?


Hans, here's a recent bounce message I received:


Dear subscriber,

We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
emailaddress ronle...@tesco.net.

In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
* debian-user
1 bounce out of 45 mails in one day (2%, kick-score is 80%)
(http://lists.debian.org/bounces/[*** trimmed ***)

(The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
and will be valid for seven days.)

If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly
remove your subscription.

Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are
rejected by your mail provider.  If you are your own mail provider and use
'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from
Content filtering.

However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed
:-) ) if your kick-score remains low.

For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ

You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this
message was sent in error.

Sincerely,
The Listmaster Team
-- http://lists.debian.org


You can re-subscribe, I think.  Also, you could check with o2 whether 
they can do that whitelist for you.


In the longer term, you could, indeed, run a simple mail server on a 
free domain and on a dynamic IP for less-important mails such as 
lists, but for important mails you need a static ip, and postfix or 
exim, coupled with dovecot, on RAID1, and use rdiff-backup to snapshot 
the mail store to another machine every 4 hours.  Otherwise, important 
email is best left to the isp, I think.


regards, Ron


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Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.

On Mon 31 Mar 2014 at 13:56:35 +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote:

 Anubhav Yadav anubhav1...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Right now I have lightdm installed. In my lightdm.conf file I have this
  setting:
  user-session: i3
 
  And lightdm starts my i3.
 
  So If I make a .~/.xsession will it clash with my setup right now?
 
 No. In case of lightdm the situation seems to be a bit different.
 
 I'm using XDM which uses an old-style variant of loading a graphical
 environment. XDM just executes /etc/X11/Xsession script that aims to
 start your window manager. In order to do it, it loads different files
 From user's home directory. One of them is ~/.xsession.

Lightdm also uses /etc/X11/Xsession, which does a lot more than starting
a window manager. However, it does source ~/.xsession.

 But lightdm uses the system of profiles that it calls (also)
 sessions. If you want to use my solution with lightdm display manager,
 you should add a new profile which will execute /etc/X11/Xsession
 script.
 
 It will be some kind of this:
 
 -- /usr/share/xsessions/user-defined.desktop --
 [Desktop Entry]
 Name=user defined session
 Exec=/etc/X11/Xsession
 ---

Once you feel you have to alter a system file to do something (which WM
to use?) which affects only one user you have lost it. Your ~/.xsession
is perfectly alright. Adding to /usr/share/xsessions or altering
lightdm.conf are not actions to be taken as a matter of course and are
usually not warranted.

May I suggest though that any mention of .Xdefaults in Debian should be
eradicated. The file name to use is .Xresources. Your stanza works but
it can be deleted because /etc/X11/Xsession loads .Xresources.


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Re: Was I deleted?

Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:35:05 schrieb Ron Leach:
 On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote:
  Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I
  remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails.
  This mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry,
  I do not quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile
  deleted the mail, too, but I guess, this might be the reason.
  
  How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future?
 
 Hans, here's a recent bounce message I received:
  Dear subscriber,
  
  We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
  emailaddress ronle...@tesco.net.
  
  In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
  * debian-user
  
  1 bounce out of 45 mails in one day (2%, kick-score is 80%)
  (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/[*** trimmed ***)
  
  (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
  and will be valid for seven days.)
  
  If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will
  forcibly remove your subscription.
  
  Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but
  are rejected by your mail provider.  If you are your own mail provider
  and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist
  bendel.debian.org from Content filtering.
  
  However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be
  unsubscribed 
  :-) ) if your kick-score remains low.
  
  For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ
  
  You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this
  message was sent in error.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  The Listmaster Team
  -- http://lists.debian.org
 
 You can re-subscribe, I think.  Also, you could check with o2 whether
 they can do that whitelist for you.
 
 In the longer term, you could, indeed, run a simple mail server on a
 free domain and on a dynamic IP for less-important mails such as
 lists, but for important mails you need a static ip, and postfix or
 exim, coupled with dovecot, on RAID1, and use rdiff-backup to snapshot
 the mail store to another machine every 4 hours.  Otherwise, important
 email is best left to the isp, I think.
 
 regards, Ron
Hi Ron.

Yes, that is the mail I received. However, as it told me , I will not be 
unsubscribed, I did nothing.

Now I subscribed to the list again, hope this will fix things. If it doesn't, I 
will have to talk to my isp. 

For the own mail server: In earlier times I was a postmaster for myself. Ran 
postfix on the servers, so configuration will not be the problem. The greater 
problem is the fixed IP I need. Of course I could register a domain from 
dyndns.org, but then I am again hanging at another provider. Rootservers is 
another solution, but not cheap. 

Lowest price will be a little talk with my provider, I guess. :) I will be 
smart, they will be smart.

And we will see, if my resubsription works. 


Thanks for the help!

Best 

Hans


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Re: kernel upgrade

2014-03-31 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy

2014-03-31 20:07 keltezéssel, Brad Rogers írta:
 For my set of circumstances, it is.  However, I neglected to take proper
 note of yours.  You're using apt-get (etc.) and I tend to use Synaptic.
 Clearly, behaviour is different in each case.
 
 Mea Culpa.
 
 With the meta-package installed on my system, Synaptic will pull in and
 install the latest kernel, and run grub-config to update the boot
 loader.  This result in making the new kernel the default, and demoting
 an other kernel(s) installed.  Once I'm happy that the upgraded kernel
 works as required, I can delete the old kernel(s), if I wish.  I usually
 keep one older kernel available, 'just in case'.

I have some machines which I administer remotely and some of them don't
have GUI at all. Synaptic is not an option for me. Moreover, apt-get is
faster :)

-- 
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'Death is not a bug, it's a feature'


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Re: Locatedb not Updating

2014-03-31 Thread David Baron

 In another mail you were asked a single question. Do you have a response
 to that question?
Stated that machine does not run 24h
 
 In the same mail an observation was made. It implied that the file
 cron-spamassassin-rules was put in /etc/cron.daily by you and not by a
 Debian package. Do you have a response to that too?

Here is the contents
#!/bin/sh -e
#
spamd -4
# do spamassassin rules update
echo Updating Spamassassin rules...
sa-update
sleep 30
#echo Restarting Spamassassin daemon...
/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart
echo Done.
#echo Restarting Fetchmail daemon...
/etc/init.d/fetchmail restart
echo Done.

There was apparently lacking regular update of these rules. : I am pretty sure 
I edited that file (first line) from somewhere but to not recall placing it 
here 
date with which it is marked. Content was formerly in my rc.local . I have 
moved it out, see what happens.

Where would correct Debian practice so assure timely update of these rules? 
There is has been a recurring error (reason from the spamd 4), previously 
sited here.


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Re: Unable to execute a script without asking for sudo password, even after editing sudoers file.

 The default ~/.profile on Debian already has:

 # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
 if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then
 PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
 fi


I think I am really messed up in that situation. If I run 'echo $PATH'
in a terminal session then this is the output that I get:

/home/neo1691/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451@railstutorial_rails_4_0/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451@global/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p451/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin:/home/neo1691/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin

As you can see there is a lot of repetition over there.

So to be precise, I first used my ~/.bashrc file to export the PATH variable.
export PATH=${PATH}:/home/neo1691/bin

I remember that when I did this, there was no file called .profile in my home
directory. As I can see now, there exists one maybe because I installed rvm
and maybe rvm created a .profile

Here are the contents of my ~/.profile

# ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells.
# This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login
# exists.
# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples.
# the files are located in the bash-doc package.

# the default umask is set in /etc/profile; for setting the umask
# for ssh logins, install and configure the libpam-umask package.
#umask 022

# if running bash
if [ -n $BASH_VERSION ]; then
# include .bashrc if it exists
if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ]; then
. $HOME/.bashrc
fi
fi

# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
fi


PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.rvm/bin # Add RVM to PATH for scripting

I also saw that there is a  ~/.bash_profile whose contents are

[[ -s $HOME/.profile ]]  source $HOME/.profile # Load the default .profile


[[ -s $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm ]]  source $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm #
Load RVM into a shell session *as a function*


 Now you just have to make sure whatever method you use to start X is
 also sourcing ~/.environment.


There is no such file called ~/.environment

 Depends on what you want to achieve. Because you put $HOME/bin at the
 end of $PATH (instead of in front as ~/.environment does) a script with
 the same name in one of the other directories will take precedence over
 yours, which may or may not be what you want.

I created the script i3exit, and I believe that there is no such other script
by that name in the system

 [1] according to apt-file there is no 'i3exit' file in Debian.
Yes thats right!

Now I would really like to know as to what is the best
practice to export a PATH variable?

I mean as a linux user, I should know what happens when the
operating system boots? What files are read? What are the uses of
.xsession?
.xinitrc?
.profile?
.bash_profile?
.environment?
/etc/X11/Xsession?

And what changes when I use lightdm to startup my system?

And what again changes if I install replace my default shell
from bash to zsh?

Right now what is happening is that I am not able to run the
script i3exit with i3 window manager?

If I run this command:
`tr '\0' '\n' /proc/$(pidof i3)/environ | grep PATH`

I get the output as:
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games

And there is no mention of my local bin directory (~/bin)

So please guide me in this regards!

-- 
Regards,
Anubhav Yadav
Imperial College of Engineering and Research,
Pune.


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Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.

 Lightdm also uses /etc/X11/Xsession, which does a lot more than starting
 a window manager. However, it does source ~/.xsession.

I created an .xsession and the contents were as follows:

#!/bin/bash
# Set PATH
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH

Yet I am not able to call my i3exit script ( which I have stored in
~/bin directory)
from i3. Because somehow the PATH variable is not set according to either i3
or according to lightdm. I also have other problems with lightdm, which I would
like to discuss but lets stay on the topic for now.

 Once you feel you have to alter a system file to do something (which WM
 to use?) which affects only one user you have lost it. Your ~/.xsession
 is perfectly alright. Adding to /usr/share/xsessions or altering
 lightdm.conf are not actions to be taken as a matter of course and are
 usually not warranted.

Yes that's the lesson you taught me when I messed up with my global
.Xresources directory. ( Remember ) :)

I somehow need to get /home/neo1691/bin into my PATH variable before
starting i3, or before starting lightdm.

Thanks for hearing me out!

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Regards,
Anubhav Yadav
Imperial College of Engineering and Research,
Pune.


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 On Mon 31 Mar 2014 at 05:03:14 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

 Which should be the best option for me?

 xterm*color1: #f92672

 or

 XTerm*VT100*color1: #f92672

 Both override what is in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color. The first
 option is best for me.

Thanks that should be enough to mark this thread as solved :)

 For example, DIR is 01;34. This corresponds to color12.

 I'd suggest we are now going well beyond your original (solved) problem.

That brings to light another problem that I am facing now. I am not
able to set the
dircolors right for the ls command. But I think I should start a new
thread for the same.

Thanks for helping me out everyone. Cheers :)


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BST Solution Worked Fine.

2014-03-31 Thread Martin G. McCormick

I was the one who wanted to record a couple of radio
shows from the BBC and not have to remember to juggle chrontab
files for the several weeks when the US is using DST and the
UK isn't. This occurs in the last week of October each autumn
and for around 4 weeks in March.

I have an old Del Optiplex that is mainly used as a
terminal to get in to other unix systems so I set that system to
/Europe/London time rules and then set chron jobs based on
British time. These chron jobs are just ssh commands to another
old Del Dimension that has more disk space and memory to
actually do the recording.

Since last weekend was the UK's time change, I checked
and was pleased to see that everything worked.
There are more elegant ways to do this, of course. If
one has a monster installation with multiple gigabytes of RAM
and suitable processor capabilities, one could run a bunch of
small virtual machines, just enough for a Linux installation and
a few megs of space for chron and have those virtual systems set
to different time zones as you needed them. 
If you look this topic up in Google, you do see various
clever things people have tried to have part of their system
pretend to be somewhere else, but that /etc/localtime rule set
truly rules.

One idea I thought of would be an extra field in
chrontab specifically for time zone information but that would
certainly add to chron's complexity so I am certainly not
complaining. I have been using unix of one flavor or other since
1989 or 1990 and think it is one of the best tool kits ever.

Martin


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Re: XBMC and SSL

2014-03-31 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Wednesday 26 March 2014 22:14:05 Nils Erik Svangård wrote:
 Well I installed from unstable (I think). I have debianmultimedia
 in my sources.list, but I think XBMC comes from the debian servers.

 I did quite a bit of googling before posting. I didnt find anything
 really relevant. I looks like a problem with ffmpeg.
 //nisse

This has been going on while I've been away, and I have been trying to 
catch up.  Nils, you break threading and don't quote.  How is anyone 
not already in the conversation meant to follow?

Lisi


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Re: BST Solution Worked Fine.

2014-03-31 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Monday 31 March 2014 21:19:32 Martin G. McCormick wrote:
   I was the one who wanted to record a couple of radio
 shows from the BBC and not have to remember to juggle chrontab
 files for the several weeks when the US is using DST and the
 UK isn't. This occurs in the last week of October each autumn
 and for around 4 weeks in March.

   I have an old Del Optiplex that is mainly used as a
 terminal to get in to other unix systems so I set that system to
 /Europe/London time rules and then set chron jobs based on
 British time. 

For the archives:  Note, BST was the correct *result*, *not* the 
*solution*.  The solution was to chose /Europe/London time which will 
correctly switch from GMT to BST and back again as appropriate.

Also for the record, when I set my system time to Europe/London/ (my 
hardware clock is set to UTC), my system, for some obscure reason, 
determinedly changes it to /Europe/Guernsey.  As this is the same, it 
doesn't matter, but some day I might try to find out why it does 
it. ;-)

Lisi


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Re: getting emails from cron despite redirecting output to a log file

2014-03-31 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 01:22:31PM -0500, David Nelson wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have configured mrtg to log network traffic for our organization. This is
 working nicely except at some point while I was fiddling with the scripts 
 under
 /etc/cron.d, which run every 5 minutes to collect snmp data I started getting
 emails to root from cron. I have stared at this and googled a bit... yes even
 the man page, but I don't see what I have messed up here:
 
  if [ -x /usr/bin/mrtg ]  [ -r /etc/mrtg/rm_127_switch-mrtg.cfg ] ; then env
 LANG=C /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/rm_127_switch-mrtg.cfg 21 | tee -a /var/log/
 mrtg/mrtg.log ; fi

well... if mrtg produces any output, it *will* be e-mailed as per
normal cron output. AND it will be appended to
/var/log/mrtg/mrtg.log...

PS: If you want to take advantage of syslog here (and the standard log
rotation) it is relatively simple: use logger - e.g.:

something | something | logger --tag davids-mrtg

 To clarify the above is not the whole line from the file under /etc/cron.d/. I
 don't have access to that system right now so I am just posting the command
 part that I keep getting in my email.

Seeing the output might help too - more eyes and all that.

 
 Also, I have jobs for a few different switches setup like this. Is there any
 reason I can't let the output all go into the same log file? Hmmm... Wonder if
 it's a problem that all these jobs are trying to write to the same log file at
 once?

Probably not. But it's easy to send stuff via syslog as noted
above. Then you don't have to bother about maintaining the log files,
and can also log to a centralised server etc etc. All the normal
syslog stuff.

Hope this helps
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Re: Unable to execute a script without asking for sudo password, even after editing sudoers file.

On Ma, 01 apr 14, 01:38:43, Anubhav Yadav wrote:
The default ~/.profile on Debian already has:

# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
fi

I think I am really messed up in that situation. If I run 'echo $PATH'
in a terminal session then this is the output that I get:

/home/neo1691/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451@railstutorial_rails_4_0/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451@global/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p451/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin:/home/neo1691/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin:/home/neo1691/.rvm/bin

As you can see there is a lot of repetition over there.

So to be precise, I first used my ~/.bashrc file to export the PATH variable.
export PATH=${PATH}:/home/neo1691/bin

I remember that when I did this, there was no file called .profile in my home
directory. As I can see now, there exists one maybe because I installed rvm
and maybe rvm created a .profile

Don't know what rvm is, but I'm quite sure it didn't create your
~/.profile.

[sni[

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.rvm/bin # Add RVM to PATH for scripting

But it did change yours. I don't like it when programs mess with my
files.

I also saw that there is a ~/.bash_profile whose contents are

[[ -s $HOME/.profile ]] source $HOME/.profile # Load the default
.profile

[[ -s $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm ]] source $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm #
Load RVM into a shell session *as a function*

But this one looks like created by rvm.

Now you just have to make sure whatever method you use to start X is
also sourcing ~/.environment.

There is no such file called ~/.environment

Sorry, my mistake, I meant ~/.profile. ~/.environment is where I keep
environment variables and I source it from ~/.profile.

Now I would really like to know as to what is the best
practice to export a PATH variable?

That's a complicated question and depends a lot on what software you
use.

I mean as a linux user, I should know what happens when the
operating system boots? What files are read? What are the uses of
.xsession?
.xinitrc?
.profile?
.bash_profile?
.environment?

Scratch this one.

/etc/X11/Xsession?

You forgot .xsessionrc :p

And what changes when I use lightdm to startup my system?

If I recall correctly lightdm does not source ~/.profile, so I do it in
~/.xsessionrc.

And what again changes if I install replace my default shell
from bash to zsh?

No idea, never used zsh.

Right now what is happening is that I am not able to run the
script i3exit with i3 window manager?

If I run this command:
`tr '\0' '\n' /proc/$(pidof i3)/environ | grep PATH`

I get the output as:
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games

And there is no mention of my local bin directory (~/bin)

So please guide me in this regards!

My way is to keep any environment variables I need to set/change in one
place only and make sure it's used everywhere (i.e. console and X).

The logical place for that would be ~/.profile (or a file sourced in
~/.profile to not clutter it), since that should be read on login.

Except that it's not read by some display managers so I had to use
~/.xsessionrc for that.

Hope this explains,
Andrei
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Re: Debian installs for the bandwidth limited (e.g. dialup)

On Lu, 31 mar 14, 08:13:17, Richard Owlett wrote:
 I install from purchased DVD sets as I am on dialup.
 I am also experimenting with how/what I install.
 When in experiment mode I may make several installs in a day.
 As there are only small differences between installs, I use preseeding
 extensively.
 I'm starting a new round after not doing much for a year.I'm being reminded
 of the dearth of information aimed at those installing from physical cd/dvd.
 
 Is they anyone collecting this to one location?
 I've got bits and pieces in correspondence and notes I made last time around
 but I don't have composition skills to put in a form suitable for a wiki/???

You might want to ask on debian-boot.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Unable to execute a script without asking for sudo password, even after editing sudoers file.