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On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 10:25:32 +0200
Frédéric MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

 C'est quoi cette erreur de manip ?

Sèpu si c'est la MàJ qui a installé systemd ou moi.
 
 Le noyau 3.12.x a été mis à jour (modification du mineur) ?

Nan, par contre le 3.13 si.

 Après avoir modifié le fichier /etc/default/grub, tu as fait un 
 update-grub pour mettre à jour les fichiers de config du dossier 
 /boot/grub/ ?

Wai.

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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:

  et en fin de boot, ça sort:
  ata2: SRST failed (errno=-16)

 Le disque est mis offline parce que impossible de l'initialiser !

Wai, j'ai oublié que juste avant, j'ai ça:
   ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)

 Ne pas confondre APIC  et ACPI
 ce sont 2 choses complètement différentes

Si j'ai agis sur les 2, c'est parce qu'un type qui avait des
symptômes très proches a réglé son PB en faisant cela.

 Pour ma part, dans grub, dans le cas de mon SSD, j'ai ajouter
 dans /etc/default/grub l'option :
 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=libata.force=1.00:noncq

Je vais tester ça avant ce soir et revenir donner le feedback,
merci.
 
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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:

 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=libata.force=1.00:noncq

T'es sûr, ça n'est pas GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ??

Et puis je viens de comprendre pq ça n'avait pas marché:
j'ai tapé …DEFAUKT :((

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Re: HD plus reconnu


Le 06/04/2014 15:59, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:


GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=libata.force=1.00:noncq


T'es sûr, ça n'est pas GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ??

Et puis je viens de comprendre pq ça n'avait pas marché:
j'ai tapé …DEFAUKT :((



Les deux variables GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT et GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX 
existent. Quand j'ai voulu tester Systemd j'ai utilisé 
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT.



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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:08:10 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

 Les deux variables GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT et
 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX existent. Quand j'ai voulu tester Systemd
 j'ai utilisé GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT.

Mwai, il me semble que je ferais mieux d'utiliser la version
sans default, ça parait plus logique.

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Re: HD plus reconnu


Le 06/04/2014 16:34, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:08:10 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:


Les deux variables GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT et
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX existent. Quand j'ai voulu tester Systemd
j'ai utilisé GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT.


Mwai, il me semble que je ferais mieux d'utiliser la version
sans default, ça parait plus logique.



Dans tous les cas, il suffit de chercher la ligne qui commence par 
linux dans le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg pour voir si les options 
sont bien passées au noyau.


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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:57:15 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

 Dans tous les cas, il suffit de chercher la ligne qui commence par 
 linux dans le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg pour voir si les
 options sont bien passées au noyau.
 
J'l'avions point c'te fichier-lô, mon bon monsieur.

Tout ce que j'ai, c'est un example de ce nom dans la
doc de grub-common.

J'ai juste suivi le wiki Debian (qui n'en parle pas),
et rien de plus.

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[HS] Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:57:15 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

Entre nous soit dit, grub c'est quand même une vraie merde
bien collante, question conf, par rapport à lilo.

Dans le cas de lilo, on a /etc/lilo.conf, point final (et la
poss. d'ajouter Tfacilement un bootparm à la mimine et à la 
volée, sans chichis); alors que pour grub, on a de la conf 
dans /etc/grub.d, dans /etc/default et dans /boot/grub.

Ça me parait quand même d'une logique extrêmement douteuse…

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Re: HD plus reconnu


Le 06/04/2014 17:09, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:57:15 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:


Dans tous les cas, il suffit de chercher la ligne qui commence par
linux dans le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg pour voir si les
options sont bien passées au noyau.


J'l'avions point c'te fichier-lô, mon bon monsieur.


Le dossier /boot/grub a été remanié avec la version 2.0 de Grub. Que 
donne chez toi la commande : dpkg -l |grep grub


$ dpkg -l |grep grub
ii  grub-common   2.00-22 
  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files)
ii  grub-pc   2.00-22 
  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
ii  grub-pc-bin   2.00-22 
  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS binaries)
ii  grub2-common  2.00-22 
  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for version 2)


C'est une machine en Jessie.

Tu as dis que tu étais passé de Lilo à Grub, quand ta machine boot tu as 
bien l'écran de Grub avec le choix des noyaux ?


Quand je fais une installation de Grub, j'utilise ces commandes pour 
être sûr qu'il est bien installé :


$ sudo grub-mkdevicemap -nv

Pour générer le fichier /boot/grub/device.map. Tu dois avoir dans ce 
fichier une ligne par disque, ex :


(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_xx-xx

$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
Installation terminée, sans erreur.

Ça installe Grub sur le secteur de boot du disque. Tu lances la commande 
pour tous les disques qui peuvent être bootable. Sur un serveur en RAID 
10 logiciel avec 4 disques, je le fais pour les 4 disques.


$ sudo update-grub
Création de grub.cfg…
Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
Image Linux trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.13-1-686-pae
Image mémoire initiale trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.13-1-686-pae
Image Linux trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-686-pae
Image mémoire initiale trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.12-1-686-pae
Image Linux trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.11-2-686-pae

Pour mettre à jour le fichier de config de Grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg


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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:27:39 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

 ii  grub-common   2.00-22 
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files)
 ii  grub-pc   2.00-22 
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS
 version) ii  grub-pc-bin   2.00-22 
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS
 binaries) ii  grub2-common  2.00-22 
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for
 version 2)
 
 C'est une machine en Jessie.

# dpkg -l grub*|grep ii
ii  grub-choose-default 0.2-6all  Control Grub Default
   through a GUI
ii  grub-common 2.02~beta2-8 i386 GRand Unified Bootloader
   (common files)
ii  grub-doc0.97-67  all  Documentation for GRand 
Unified
   Bootloader (dummy package)
ii  grub-legacy 0.97-67  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader
   (Legacy version)
ii  grub-legacy-doc 0.97-67  all  Documentation for GRUB Legacy
ii  grub-splashimages   1.2.3all  a collection of great GRUB
splashimages

Le µ est en sid, j'ai reculé devant grub2 parce qu'il est tagé
'beta2'.

 Tu as dis que tu étais passé de Lilo à Grub, quand ta machine boot
 tu as bien l'écran de Grub avec le choix des noyaux ?

Vi.
 
 Quand je fais une installation de Grub, j'utilise ces commandes
 pour être sûr qu'il est bien installé :
 
 $ sudo grub-mkdevicemap -nv
 
 Pour générer le fichier /boot/grub/device.map. Tu dois avoir
 dans ce fichier une ligne par disque, ex :
 
 (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_xx-xx

J'ai bien un /boot/grub/device.map qui contient:
(fd0)   /dev/fd0
(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3750640A_3QD08MH5
(hd1)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST340016A_3HS2F1P3

 $ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
 Installation terminée, sans erreur.
 
 Ça installe Grub sur le secteur de boot du disque. Tu lances la
 commande pour tous les disques qui peuvent être bootable. Sur un
 serveur en RAID 10 logiciel avec 4 disques, je le fais pour les 4
 disques.

Ok, même Cde mais juste sur /dev/sda

 $ sudo update-grub
 Création de grub.cfg…
 Found background
 image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Image Linux
 trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.13-1-686-pae Image mémoire initiale
 trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.13-1-686-pae Image Linux
 trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-686-pae Image mémoire initiale
 trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.12-1-686-pae Image Linux
 trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.11-2-686-pae
 
 Pour mettre à jour le fichier de config de Grub
 /boot/grub/grub.cfg

Non-créé par la même Cde en grub-legacy.

Dois-je obligatoirement passer en V.2?

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Re: HD plus reconnu


Le 06/04/2014 17:39, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:27:39 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:


ii  grub-common   2.00-22
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files)
ii  grub-pc   2.00-22
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS
version) ii  grub-pc-bin   2.00-22
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS
binaries) ii  grub2-common  2.00-22
i386 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for
version 2)

C'est une machine en Jessie.


# dpkg -l grub*|grep ii
ii  grub-choose-default 0.2-6all  Control Grub Default
through a GUI
ii  grub-common 2.02~beta2-8 i386 GRand Unified Bootloader
(common files)
ii  grub-doc0.97-67  all  Documentation for GRand 
Unified
Bootloader (dummy package)
ii  grub-legacy 0.97-67  i386 GRand Unified Bootloader
(Legacy version)
ii  grub-legacy-doc 0.97-67  all  Documentation for GRUB Legacy
ii  grub-splashimages   1.2.3all  a collection of great GRUB
 splashimages

Le µ est en sid, j'ai reculé devant grub2 parce qu'il est tagé
'beta2'.


Tu as dis que tu étais passé de Lilo à Grub, quand ta machine boot
tu as bien l'écran de Grub avec le choix des noyaux ?


Vi.


Quand je fais une installation de Grub, j'utilise ces commandes
pour être sûr qu'il est bien installé :

$ sudo grub-mkdevicemap -nv

Pour générer le fichier /boot/grub/device.map. Tu dois avoir
dans ce fichier une ligne par disque, ex :

(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_xx-xx


J'ai bien un /boot/grub/device.map qui contient:
(fd0)   /dev/fd0
(hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3750640A_3QD08MH5
(hd1)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST340016A_3HS2F1P3


$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
Installation terminée, sans erreur.

Ça installe Grub sur le secteur de boot du disque. Tu lances la
commande pour tous les disques qui peuvent être bootable. Sur un
serveur en RAID 10 logiciel avec 4 disques, je le fais pour les 4
disques.


Ok, même Cde mais juste sur /dev/sda


$ sudo update-grub
Création de grub.cfg…
Found background
image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Image Linux
trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.13-1-686-pae Image mémoire initiale
trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.13-1-686-pae Image Linux
trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-686-pae Image mémoire initiale
trouvée : /boot/initrd.img-3.12-1-686-pae Image Linux
trouvée : /boot/vmlinuz-3.11-2-686-pae

Pour mettre à jour le fichier de config de Grub
/boot/grub/grub.cfg


Non-créé par la même Cde en grub-legacy.

Dois-je obligatoirement passer en V.2?


Tu as un mix entre Grub legacy et Grub 2. Ta machine dois booter avec 
une ancienne config ou une config par défaut... ?


- grub-mkdevicemap fait partie du paquet grub-common
- grub-install fait partie du paquet grub2-common
- update-grub fait partie du paquet grub2-common

Le boot loader en lui même et ses modules sont dans le paquet grub-pc-bin

Je pense que ta commande update-grub n'est pas adaptées aux fichiers 
fournis par la version 2 du paquet grub-common.


Grub 2 est stable depuis pas mal de temps. Je l'utilise sur plusieurs 
types de machines (desktop et serveurs).




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Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 18:13:57 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

 Tu as un mix entre Grub legacy et Grub 2. Ta machine dois booter
 avec une ancienne config ou une config par défaut... ?

Nan, dans sid, grub-common est une dépendance de grub-legacy
et de grub-choose-default.
 
 - grub-mkdevicemap fait partie du paquet grub-common
 - grub-install fait partie du paquet grub2-common
 - update-grub fait partie du paquet grub2-common

Apparemment, il y a un mix actuellement du à ces dépendances.
Ne connaissant pas grub, je dirais que c'est sans doute
une évolution pour des raisons raisonnables.

Voilà ce que j'ai:
grub  grub-glue-efi grub-mkconfig 
grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2  grub-reboot   grub-choose-default
grub-install  grub-mkdevicemap  grub-mkrelpath
grub-render-label grub-editenv  grub-kbdcomp
grub-mkfont   grub-mkrescue grub-script-check
grub-file grub-macbless grub-mkimage
grub-mkstandalone grub-set-default  grub-floppy
grub-md5-cryptgrub-mklayout grub-mount
grub-syslinux2cfg grub-fstest   grub-menulst2cfg
grub-mknetdir grub-probegrub-terminfo

 Le boot loader en lui même et ses modules sont dans le paquet
 grub-pc-bin
 
 Je pense que ta commande update-grub n'est pas adaptées aux
 fichiers fournis par la version 2 du paquet grub-common.
 
 Grub 2 est stable depuis pas mal de temps. Je l'utilise sur
 plusieurs types de machines (desktop et serveurs).

Bon, je vais tester la Cde donnée par Mourad avec ce que j'ai
actuellement, et si ça NMP je passerai en V.2.

Le retour quand j'aurai les résultats :)

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Re: [HS] Re: HD plus reconnu

2014-04-06 Thread maderios


On 04/06/2014 05:19 PM, Bzzz wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:57:15 +0200
Frederic MASSOT frede...@juliana-multimedia.com wrote:

Entre nous soit dit, grub c'est quand même une vraie merde
bien collante, question conf, par rapport à lilo.

Dans le cas de lilo, on a /etc/lilo.conf, point final (et la
poss. d'ajouter Tfacilement un bootparm à la mimine et à la
volée, sans chichis); alors que pour grub, on a de la conf
dans /etc/grub.d, dans /etc/default et dans /boot/grub.

Non, la conf de grub2 ne concerne qu'un seul fichier, /etc/default/grub. 
Ensuite, on fait un update-grub qui modifie tout automatiquement.

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Re: WOW et linux

2014-04-06 Thread Guy Roussin


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Bonjour,

As-tu utilisé l'installateur wow de playonlinux ?
NB: il faut cocher la case inclure les jeux en test pour voir apparaître
dans Wow dans la liste.
Playonlinux vient avec des scripts adaptés qui permettent notamment
d'installer la version
de wine qui marche le mieux (alors qu'avec debian tu as en général la
dernière (vieille) version
stable ...
Si tu as un bug tu peux le rapporter sur les forums de playonlinux

Pour jouer sous linux il est souvent souhaitable d'utiliser les drivers
propriétaires de carte graphique. Avec debian, ces drivers ne sont pas
installés
par défaut. Une première étape est donc de vérifier que tu utilises bien un
pilote graphique proprio ...

Guy

Le 06/04/2014 15:23, Zuthos a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 J'aurais voulu savoir si quelqu'un avait réussis à utiliser wow avec
linux.
 J'ai essayé d'utiliser wine, mais l'installation ne se fait pas. J'ai
essayé play on linux, même probléme. En même temps, cela paraît logique.
 J'ai essayé d'utiliser virtualbox, ça a fait tous planter.

 Malgrès mes recherches sur internet, rien n'y fait. Dommage qu'il
n'existe pas un jeu dans le genre sous Linux.

 Merci d'avance...



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Re: WOW et linux

2014-04-06 Thread honeyshell

Bonsoir,
Avec Wine cela marche très bien. Pour l'installation, j'avais récupéré le
dossier de WoW sous W$ pour le mettre sous Debian, puis j'ai lancé
l’exécutable du jeu avec Wine. Il te faut configurer Wine de la même
manière que sur le lien : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/wow, en ajoutant
quelques paquets comme les fonts Windows. Et ne pas oublier d'installer les
drivers ATI ou NVidia pour la 3D.
Avec PlayOnLinux ce sera peut etre plus simple, mais je n'ai pas testé.

Re: HD plus reconnu

On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 18:26:00 +0200
Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:

 Bon, je vais tester la Cde donnée par Mourad avec ce que j'ai
 actuellement, et si ça NMP je passerai en V.2.

Bon, ça NMP :(

Mais j'suis coincé pour la V2:
  critical bugs of grub-pc-bin (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
   #741464 - grub-pc-bin: hangs after displaying boot menu
  grave bugs of grub2-common (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
   #735932 - [grub2-common] Computer does not boot
  grave bugs of grub-pc-bin (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
   #711799 - PXE error: no server is specified

Je vais donc surseoir le temps que ça se résolve.

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Re: HD plus reconnu


Le 06/04/2014 23:28, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 18:26:00 +0200
Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:


Bon, je vais tester la Cde donnée par Mourad avec ce que j'ai
actuellement, et si ça NMP je passerai en V.2.


Bon, ça NMP :(

Mais j'suis coincé pour la V2:
   critical bugs of grub-pc-bin (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
#741464 - grub-pc-bin: hangs after displaying boot menu
   grave bugs of grub2-common (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
#735932 - [grub2-common] Computer does not boot
   grave bugs of grub-pc-bin (→ 2.02~beta2-8) Outstanding
#711799 - PXE error: no server is specified

Je vais donc surseoir le temps que ça se résolve.



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Re: Editor de PDF

El Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:57:35 -0600, Anamhoo escribió:

 On 03/04/14 08:29, Camaleón wrote:
 ^^

Hum... no, Camaleón no wrote eso ↓↓↓ 

  Estimada comunidad, gracias por vuestra ayuda e interés. Me
  recomendáis un editor de archivos PDF para poder escribir en ellos.
  Uso Debian Wheezy entorno XFCE.

 Hola! pues no se que necesidades tienes para editar, si solo son hacer
 cosas simples como marcar o poner notas a mi me gusta mucho Okular, es
 para kde pero te lo puedes instalar en cualquier entorno.

Como bien apuntas, Okular no es un editor de archivos PDF sino un visor 
que te permite, como mucho, rellenar formularios pero no es comparable a 
las capacidades que proporciona un editor de archivos PDF (añadir/
eliminar texto, insertar imágenes y objetos, resaltado, etc...).

P.S. Cuidadín con las citas ;-)

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Filtro rápido en Synaptic: ¿Qué es necesario para que aparezca?


Hola. Me explico mejor.

En el portátil HP, que siempre he tenido gnome, al abrir synaptic, tengo 
disponible la opción Filtro rápido, que al escribir parte del nombre 
del paquete que busco, te sale la lista de paquetes parecidos, sin tener 
que hacer una búsqueda...


Bien, en el portátil Asus, la diferencia es que tengo instalado XFCE, y 
no aparece en synaptic Filtro rápido, solo la lupa para buscar, 
mientras que en el HP salen las dos opciones...


¿Es que solo está disponible para gnome, o me falta instalar algún 
paquete para XFCE?


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Re: Debian 7.2 USB

El Sat, 05 Apr 2014 23:15:29 +0200, Santiago Vila escribió:

 On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, Camaleón wrote:
 
 No me parece acertada ni justa esa valoración que haces, Santiago, en
 primer lugar porque pretendes cargar el error de otro sobre mí (no soy
 yo quién escribe a los correos en privado), aún cuando le llevo
 diciendo hace ya varios mensajes que me está respondiendo a mí y no a
 la lista.
 
 No, no pretendo echarte la culpa de que él te escriba a ti, de ninguna
 manera. Solamente digo que a base de ser permisivo con ciertas faltas de
 etiqueta, la gente no se interesa en absoluto por enterarse de cómo se
 corrigen y hace como si nada.

Pues deberías pasarte más por esta lista y así podrías comprobar que soy 
de las pocas personas que cuando ve un correo que rompe con las normas de 
la lista, lo dice. Se lo digo al usuario cuando le respondo, a veces en 
broma a veces en serio, además de corregir lo que está mal.

Si esa no es labor educadora, pues ya me dirás ;-)

Que sí, estamos de acuerdo en que podría:

1/ Mandar a tomar viento fresco al usuario

2/ Escribir en mayúsculas y negrita todo el texto de la respuesta para 
que se entere de lo que está haciendo mal

3/ No responder

4/ Increparle directamente (Oye, tú, ¿eres bobo o qué te pasa?) para 
que se dé cuenta del error

5/ Otras (Hola OP, mira, no te voy a responder si no mandas los mensajes 
a la lista...)

Ninguna de las opciones anteriores (salvo la 5/ pero que encuentro un 
poco pelele) me parece educativa además de que no casan conmigo. 
Quizá la mejor opción sea no responder al usuario, algo que ya hago 
directamente con determinados especímenes de esta lista que tengo 
marcados por sus lamentables respuestas (vacías de contenido o 
insultantes) pero me parece excesivo ese comportamiento (el de no 
responder) cuando un usuario pregunta las cosas con educación y veo que 
demuestra interés.

En fin, que mi lema se traduce básicamente en que si hay interés y 
educación, respondo (cuando puedo y tengo tiempo), sea la pregunta que 
sea y de la temática que sea, no me importa (si es en la lista lo marco 
como OT y fuera de ella no me molesta en absoluto).

 En segundo lugar, yo no he enviado copia (CC:) a nadie, ni al usuario
 ni a la lista, siempre mando los mensajes a la lista. Siempre.
 
 Tienes toda la razón. Perdón por la confusión. Me refería al hecho de
 responder en la lista a los correos que te mandaba él. Leo de nuevo el
 hilo y efectivamente es como dices: solamente has enviado los correos a
 la lista, lo cual indica, sorprendentemente, que el susodicho ha tenido
 que leer necesariamente la respuesta de la propia lista.

No pasa nada.

Y tienes razón, me di cuenta de que el usuario recibe los correos de la 
lista porque de otra forma no podría leer los mensajes que le mando. Y 
sinceramente, no creo que lo haga de mala fe, simplemente creo que está 
suscrito y recibe los mensajes pero le da al botón de responder y me 
manda directamente los correos y eso es lo que le quería hacer notar en 
el último mensaje que le mandé.

 Sinceramente, no sé qué más puedo hacer salvo pegarle cuatro GRITOS
 para que VEA que me está respondiendo a mí solamente...
 
 Pues no sé. ¿Negarle la ayuda a la *tercera* vez y ponerle como
 *condición* que pregunte en la lista? (es solamente una idea).

Es posible (y de hecho es lo que hago con otros usuarios a los que no 
respondo o a los que les digo que pregunten mejor en la lista) pero por 
algún motivo mi dradis no se activó con este usuario, no le di 
importancia al número de veces que ya le había dicho que mandara los 
mensajes a la lista... pero repito que esto se debe a que la mayoría de 
los mensajes que se reciben en la lista no cumplen con las normas y ya me 
he acostumbrado. 

Quizá lo que deberíamos plantearnos es precisamente eso, cómo hacer que 
los usuarios de la lista cumplan las normas (p. ej. que se rechazaran de 
plano los mensajes con formato en html), y no arremeter de manera 
individual contra una persona por querer ayudar a otra.

 Doy por hecho que no llevas un contador de cuańtas veces has
 respondido a alguien a pesar de haberte escrito a ti en lugar de a la
 lista, y más teniendo en cuenta que este hilo comenzó hace dos meses.

Y lo das por bien hecho porque efectivamente no lo llevo, respondo a 
mucha gente fuera de lista y no siempre ando fina y al 100%. Además, si 
te fijas en la cabecera de los mensajes que mando a la lista (y 
precisamente en aras de evitar las respuestas en privado), verás que he 
personalizado el campo Reply-To para omitir los mensajes que se 
mandan desde la lista cuando se usa el botoncito de Responder. Pues aún 
así, me siguen llegando correos (fíjate) lo que pasa es que los filtro y 
no los veo.

Es decir, que aunque he desarrollado mis propias contramedidas, con 
*todo* y *siempre* pues no puedo, alguno se escapa.

 Por ese motivo me gustaría que consideraras todo esto que digo como una
 *observación*, a saber, que ya iban ocho por si no te habías dado
 cuenta.

Re: Filtro rápido en Synaptic: ¿Qué es necesario para que aparezca?

El Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:52:12 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 En el portátil HP, que siempre he tenido gnome, al abrir synaptic, tengo
 disponible la opción Filtro rápido, que al escribir parte del nombre
 del paquete que busco, te sale la lista de paquetes parecidos, sin tener
 que hacer una búsqueda...
 
 Bien, en el portátil Asus, la diferencia es que tengo instalado XFCE, y
 no aparece en synaptic Filtro rápido, solo la lupa para buscar,
 mientras que en el HP salen las dos opciones...
 
 ¿Es que solo está disponible para gnome, o me falta instalar algún
 paquete para XFCE?

Me parece que te falta un paquete (sugerido) que se llama apt-xapian-
index que es el encargado de potenciar las opciones de búsqueda de 
synaptic.

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Re: [Se dice, se comenta...] Cliente VoIP y entorno de escritorio predeterminados para Jessie

2014-04-06 Thread Angel Vicente

El Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:44:33 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 05 Apr 2014 10:58:24 +0200, Angel Vicente escribió:
 
  Opino solo sobre los escritorios: creo que la mejor opción es poder
  elegir en el momento de la instalación, conocer en ese crucial
  momento, qué es y cómo es cada una de las opciones, si no, cabe la
  posibilidad de que se termine identificando Debian con Gnome.
 
 El caso es que el primer DVD contiene todos los entornos gráficos 
 disponibles para instalar.
 
 En el modo avanzado, yo sencillamente dejaría que el usuario, si 
 selecciona la tarea de instalar un entorno gráfico, al marcar/pulsar 
 sobre esta opción se desplegara un sub-menú con el entorno gráfico a 
 instalar pero sin ninguno marcado para que elija por sí mismo, creo
 que sería más claro y de esta forma no se daría prioridad a ninguno.

Yo creo que sería lo mejor: no establecer un escritorio por defecto.

 
 Ejemplo:
 
 [x] Entorno gráfico ↓
   
   [ ] GNOME
   [ ] KDE
   [ ] LXDE
   [ ] XFCE
 
 Los distintos entornos aparecen por orden alfabético.
 
 Y seguiría el mismo procedimiento para la instalación automática (con
 o sin GUI), le preguntaría al usuario qué entorno quiere instalar.

Estaría bien también una explicación de orden práctico, por ejemplo: si
el equipo objeto de la instalación está limitado en recursos,
seleccionar Gnome o KDE (o lo que sea), puede no ser la mejor opción,
se recomienda en este caso instalar...


 
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Re: Filtro rápido en Synaptic: ¿Qué es necesario para que aparezca?


El 06/04/14 13:13, Camaleón escribió:

El Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:52:12 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:


En el portátil HP, que siempre he tenido gnome, al abrir synaptic, tengo
disponible la opción Filtro rápido, que al escribir parte del nombre
del paquete que busco, te sale la lista de paquetes parecidos, sin tener
que hacer una búsqueda...

Bien, en el portátil Asus, la diferencia es que tengo instalado XFCE, y
no aparece en synaptic Filtro rápido, solo la lupa para buscar,
mientras que en el HP salen las dos opciones...

¿Es que solo está disponible para gnome, o me falta instalar algún
paquete para XFCE?


Me parece que te falta un paquete (sugerido) que se llama apt-xapian-
index que es el encargado de potenciar las opciones de búsqueda de
synaptic.

Saludos,



Pues el caso es que haciendo una búsqueda por 'quick search' me ha 
salido ese paquete, pero claro, como xapian me sonaba a chino, no le 
he hecho caso. Voy a probar a instalarlo a ver que pasa...


Bueno, lo he instalado y reiniciado (por si acaso), pero sigue sin 
salir... Esperaré a ver si es que hasta que no esté indexado todo no 
sale, pero de momento, nada. No observo cambio alguno.



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(SOLUCIONADO) Re: Filtro rápido en Synaptic: ¿Qué es necesario para que aparezca?


El 06/04/14 13:28, Eduardo Rios escribió:

El 06/04/14 13:13, Camaleón escribió:



Me parece que te falta un paquete (sugerido) que se llama apt-xapian-
index que es el encargado de potenciar las opciones de búsqueda de
synaptic.

Saludos,



Pues el caso es que haciendo una búsqueda por 'quick search' me ha
salido ese paquete, pero claro, como xapian me sonaba a chino, no le
he hecho caso. Voy a probar a instalarlo a ver que pasa...

Bueno, lo he instalado y reiniciado (por si acaso), pero sigue sin
salir... Esperaré a ver si es que hasta que no esté indexado todo no
sale, pero de momento, nada. No observo cambio alguno.


Efectivamente, era eso. Al cabo de unos minutos, he vuelto a abrir 
synaptic y ya aparece.


Y también he visto que estaba ya instalado en el HP.

Muchas gracias.


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Re: [Se dice, se comenta...] Cliente VoIP y entorno de escritorio predeterminados para Jessie


El 06/04/14 13:20, Angel Vicente escribió:


Estaría bien también una explicación de orden práctico, por ejemplo: si
el equipo objeto de la instalación está limitado en recursos,
seleccionar Gnome o KDE (o lo que sea), puede no ser la mejor opción,
se recomienda en este caso instalar...


Estoy de acuerdo. Estaría bien que el instalador presentara los entornos 
de escritorio disponibles para elegir instalar para que el usuario 
decida, pero que por defecto seleccione el mejor según las capacidades 
del equipo.


De este modo, el equipo gana en recursos, y el usuario novato (o 
indeciso, o sin entorno preferente) se dejara guiar por el que decida el 
instalador.



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Re: [Se dice, se comenta...] Cliente VoIP y entorno de escritorio predeterminados para Jessie

2014-04-06 Thread Gerardo Diez García

El 06/04/14 14:00, Eduardo Rios escribió:
 El 06/04/14 13:20, Angel Vicente escribió:
 
 Estaría bien también una explicación de orden práctico, por ejemplo: si
 el equipo objeto de la instalación está limitado en recursos,
 seleccionar Gnome o KDE (o lo que sea), puede no ser la mejor opción,
 se recomienda en este caso instalar...
 
 Estoy de acuerdo. Estaría bien que el instalador presentara los entornos
 de escritorio disponibles para elegir instalar para que el usuario
 decida, pero que por defecto seleccione el mejor según las capacidades
 del equipo.
 
 De este modo, el equipo gana en recursos, y el usuario novato (o
 indeciso, o sin entorno preferente) se dejara guiar por el que decida el
 instalador.
 
 
Creo que aquí hay una visión de como se debiera hacer la instalación.
Aquí se plantea un escenario en el que el usuario aterriza con su DVD
instalador, se planta delante del ordenador y empieza la instalación sin
más. Sin embargo creo que la idea presente en Debian es que *antes* de
hacer la instalación el usuario se documente y haga una elección
responsable (o no) en función de lo que se vea.
Creo que lo que aquí se plantea es más acorde a los tiempos que corren,
con usuarios dummies, mientras que la opción con documentación previa es
más didáctica. Por eso yo creo que es más interesante esta última
opción. Pero como todo es cuestión de gustos


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Re: [Se dice, se comenta...] Cliente VoIP y entorno de escritorio predeterminados para Jessie

El Sun, 06 Apr 2014 15:01:55 +0200, Gerardo Diez García escribió:

 El 06/04/14 14:00, Eduardo Rios escribió:
 El 06/04/14 13:20, Angel Vicente escribió:
 
 Estaría bien también una explicación de orden práctico, por ejemplo:
 si el equipo objeto de la instalación está limitado en recursos,
 seleccionar Gnome o KDE (o lo que sea), puede no ser la mejor opción,
 se recomienda en este caso instalar...
 
 Estoy de acuerdo. Estaría bien que el instalador presentara los
 entornos de escritorio disponibles para elegir instalar para que el
 usuario decida, pero que por defecto seleccione el mejor según las
 capacidades del equipo.
 
 De este modo, el equipo gana en recursos, y el usuario novato (o
 indeciso, o sin entorno preferente) se dejara guiar por el que decida
 el instalador.
 
 
 Creo que aquí hay una visión de como se debiera hacer la instalación.
 Aquí se plantea un escenario en el que el usuario aterriza con su DVD
 instalador, se planta delante del ordenador y empieza la instalación sin
 más. Sin embargo creo que la idea presente en Debian es que *antes* de
 hacer la instalación el usuario se documente y haga una elección
 responsable (o no) en función de lo que se vea.

Muy cierto, pero esa idea es la que está actualmente y no da buen 
resultado, es decir, que al usuario le da igual que haya documentación 
(buena y además de oficial, traducida en su idioma) y guías de 
instalación (también traducida), sencillamente no leen la documentación.

 Creo que lo que aquí se plantea es más acorde a los tiempos que corren,
 con usuarios dummies, mientras que la opción con documentación previa es
 más didáctica. Por eso yo creo que es más interesante esta última
 opción. Pero como todo es cuestión de gustos

Lo que estamos sugiriendo no es añadir un mini how-to de todas las 
opciones de entornos gráficos disponibles en el instalador (eso sería 
excesivo) pero sí 3 o 4 líneas (a lo tuit) detallando, primero las 
opciones posibles (gnome, kde, lxde y xfce) y después, unas líneas que 
expliquen brevemente ventajas y/o inconvenientes de cada uno de ellos o 
que los describa de manera aséptica y añada un puntero (enlace) donde 
poder obtener más información sobre los requisitos técnicos de cada uno 
de ellos. 

Con eso se consigue un doble efecto (beneficioso desde mi punto de 
vista): primero, que el usuario se pare a pensar lo que quiere realmente 
y quizá, quién sabe, antes de seguir con la instalación haga una búsqueda 
mínima en Google o pregunte por estas opciones o hasta lea la 
documentación :-); y segundo, no se le regala usuarios a un entorno 
determinado (gnome, en este caso) lo cual resultaría una situación mucho 
más equitativa y justa.

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Re: Filtro rápido en Synaptic: ¿Qué es necesario para que aparezca?

El Sun, 06 Apr 2014 13:28:03 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 El 06/04/14 13:13, Camaleón escribió:
 El Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:52:12 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 En el portátil HP, que siempre he tenido gnome, al abrir synaptic,
 tengo disponible la opción Filtro rápido, que al escribir parte del
 nombre del paquete que busco, te sale la lista de paquetes parecidos,
 sin tener que hacer una búsqueda...

(...)

 Me parece que te falta un paquete (sugerido) que se llama apt-xapian-
 index que es el encargado de potenciar las opciones de búsqueda de
 synaptic.



 Pues el caso es que haciendo una búsqueda por 'quick search' me ha
 salido ese paquete, pero claro, como xapian me sonaba a chino, no le
 he hecho caso. Voy a probar a instalarlo a ver que pasa...

(...)

:-)

Para los weberos, Xapian es un viejo amigo. Se trata de un buscador que 
permite conectores con varios lenguajes de programación y que suele 
usarse en entornos de desarrollo web.

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Re: Debian testing: paquete modemmanager que no se actualiza


El 05/04/14 15:16, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:51:09 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:


El 04/04/14 19:55, Camaleón escribió:


(...)


¿Diferencias entre modemmanager y wader-core? Pues a simple vista el
primero lo mantiene FreeDesktop (lo cual es una garantía de
integración)
y el segundo es un desarrollo aparte, independiente. Si no usas pincho-
módems te dará lo mismo.


Gracias. No, normalmente no uso pincho-modems. En muy pocas veces he
necesitado usar alguno, ya que dispongo de fibra óptica, y anteriormente
ADSL. Pero después de tu comentario, he preferido restaurar el sistema
para tener modemmanager (aunque no esté actualizado de momento).


Hombre, que no era necesario. De hecho, puedes eliminar el paquete
modemmanager tranquilamente si no lo piensas usar.


Normalmente no uso pincho-modems, ya que con la conexión fija de 
Movistar no tengo problemas, pero está bien poder tener esta posibilidad 
por si alguna vez falla (en contadas ocasiones me ha sucedido, y 
entonces, si he tirado de pincho, desde Windows (antes de instalar 
Debian ;-))




Usando el comando que me has enseñado, dice esto:

aptitude why-not modemmanager
i   task-gnome-desktopRecomienda  network-manager-gnome
i A network-manager-gnome Depende network-manager (= 0.9.8)
i A network-manager   Recomienda  modemmanager
p   wader-coreProporcionamodemmanager
p   wader-coreEntra en conflicto modemmanager

Entiendo que i quiere decir que el paquete está instalado, pero A y
p, ni idea...


En el manual de aptitude tienes más información sobre el significado de
las banderitas de los paquetes:

http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html

i → paquete instalado
A → paquete que ha sido marcado para ser instalado
p → paquete no instalado o purgado


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[OT] Curso Debian Servers

2014-04-06 Thread Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez

Buen dia,

No encontre el hilo anterior, pero este ya seria el ultimo :P.

Ya se finalizo el Video Curso Básico de GNU Linux Usando Debian

Capitulo 1: Que es GNU/Linux, Historia
Capitulo 2: Por que Elegir GNU/Linux
Capitulo 3: Seleccion de la Distribucion e Instalacion
Capitulo 4: Verificadno el Estado del Sistema
Capitulo 5: Directorios y Archivos (I y II)
Capitulo 6: Usuarios y Grupos
Capitulo 7: Permisos
Capitulo 8: Configuracion de la Red
Capitulo 9: Tuberias, Filtros y Redireccionadores
Capitulo 10: Herramientas GNU/Linux
Capitulo 11: Instalar Software
Capitulo 12: Instalar Entorno Grafico
Capitulo 13: Servicios

Podran verlo en: 
http://servicios.sugeek.co/ventanas/capacitaciones/gnulinux.htmlDescargarlo de: 
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=17A8C4EDAC780683!111authkey=!AIlhCcJ76ody_kQithint=folder%2c.mp4

Espero que sea de su gusto. El Curso Medio se tiene planeado para Mayo-Junio


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Re: [OT] Curso Debian Servers


El 06/04/14 18:59, Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez escribió:

Buen dia,

No encontre el hilo anterior, pero este ya seria el ultimo :P.

Ya se finalizo el Video Curso Básico de GNU Linux Usando Debian

Capitulo 1: Que es GNU/Linux, Historia
Capitulo 2: Por que Elegir GNU/Linux
Capitulo 3: Seleccion de la Distribucion e Instalacion
Capitulo 4: Verificadno el Estado del Sistema
Capitulo 5: Directorios y Archivos (I y II)
Capitulo 6: Usuarios y Grupos
Capitulo 7: Permisos
Capitulo 8: Configuracion de la Red
Capitulo 9: Tuberias, Filtros y Redireccionadores
Capitulo 10: Herramientas GNU/Linux
Capitulo 11: Instalar Software
Capitulo 12: Instalar Entorno Grafico
Capitulo 13: Servicios

Podran verlo en:
http://servicios.sugeek.co/ventanas/capacitaciones/gnulinux.html
Descargarlo de:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=17A8C4EDAC780683!111authkey=!AIlhCcJ76ody_kQithint=folder%2c.mp4

Espero que sea de su gusto. El Curso Medio se tiene planeado para Mayo-Junio


FRANK HARBEY SANABRIA FLOREZ
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Muchas gracias. Aunque en mi caso Linux lo uso en un portátil para uso 
doméstico, ya he descargado todos tus vídeos porque seguro que me van a 
ser muy útiles para aprender. :)


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Re: Error en synaptic

2014-04-06 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 30 de marzo de 2014, 10:52, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:12:16 +0200, Santiago Vila escribió:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

Seguramente se deba a que el gestor de paquetes detecta que hay algo
a medias y lo marca como pendiente. Prueba con apt-get clean o
apt-get autoclean para eliminar los datos del caché [...]

Con eso no se consigue nada en lo que a terminar instalaciones a
medias se refiere.

(...)

Si quedan archivos de bloqueo en los directorios de cache pueden estar
estorbando al gestor de paquetes, hay que eliminarlos.

Muy bien, pero insisto en que eso no se consigue con apt-get clean, lo
dice el manual:

clean
clean borra totalmente el repositorio local que contiene los
ficheros de los paquetes descargados. Borra todo excepto el
fichero de bloqueo de los directorios
/var/cache/apt/archives/ y /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/.

Para instalaciones que se han interrumpido, dpkg --pending
--configure.

Lo sé, por eso he dicho que haga además una inspección manual de los
directorios.

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Ya hice lo que me había especificado Camaleón; sin embargo, en
determinadas ocasiones recibo un mensaje de alerta, sin nombre, que
sólo trae esta especificación:
http://imgur.com/VRxuqvS

Pero, no hay muchas pistas en Google. Quizás tenga que ver con las
actualizaciones del sistema, pero no sé qué habré hecho mal.
Y la terminal me revela:
root@miguel-LT:/media/DATOS# ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/
total 4
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 abr 5 10:50 partial
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Re: Como saber que actualizar en Debian

2014-04-06 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El Sat, 5 Apr 2014 09:46:22 +
alberto moreno martinez amicorr...@hotmail.com escribió:

 Hola chicos. 
 
 El administrador de aplicaciones Apper me informa que tengo 66 
 actualizaciones disponibles, y no las he ejecutado
 Ya que me gustaría primero saber lo siguiente:
 
 - ¿Podría alguna actualización de algún paquete afectar el buen 
 funcionamiento de mi Debian estable?

No, investiga sobre el significado de stable para Debian

 -¿Como saber cuales actualizaciones son realmente necesarias  para no 
 malgastar espacio  en disco?

Todas.  Espacio en disco?? es un reemplazo de paquetes no un agregado

 
 En pocas palabras me gustaría saber como analizar las actualizaciones para 
 saber si son necesaria y que no vayan a causar
 alguna dificultad con alguna otra cosa del sistema.
 

En pocas palabras: lee la documentacion

 Gracias.

de nada

 
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Cisco AnyConnect VPN

2014-04-06 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)

alguien sabe como me conecto a mi trabajo q me piden eso?

tengo debian


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Re: [OT] Curso Debian Servers

2014-04-06 Thread Alberto Rivera M.

On 06/04/14 13:59, Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez wrote:

Buen dia,

No encontre el hilo anterior, pero este ya seria el ultimo :P.

Ya se finalizo el Video Curso Básico de GNU Linux Usando Debian

Capitulo 1: Que es GNU/Linux, Historia
Capitulo 2: Por que Elegir GNU/Linux
Capitulo 3: Seleccion de la Distribucion e Instalacion
Capitulo 4: Verificadno el Estado del Sistema
Capitulo 5: Directorios y Archivos (I y II)
Capitulo 6: Usuarios y Grupos
Capitulo 7: Permisos
Capitulo 8: Configuracion de la Red
Capitulo 9: Tuberias, Filtros y Redireccionadores
Capitulo 10: Herramientas GNU/Linux
Capitulo 11: Instalar Software
Capitulo 12: Instalar Entorno Grafico
Capitulo 13: Servicios

Podran verlo en:
http://servicios.sugeek.co/ventanas/capacitaciones/gnulinux.html
Descargarlo de:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=17A8C4EDAC780683!111authkey=!AIlhCcJ76ody_kQithint=folder%2c.mp4
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=17A8C4EDAC780683%2authkey=%21AIlhCcJ76ody_kQithint=folder%2c.mp4

Espero que sea de su gusto. El Curso Medio se tiene planeado para
Mayo-Junio

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y que imbecilidad aunque el curso sea maravilloso o
aunque me pagaran no me voy a registrar en micrtorososft para poder
bajarlo !!! quien fue el idiota que lo puso ahí, no conocen otra
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¿qué hacen, o mejor dicho, no hacen, los compresores en Debian?

2014-04-06 Thread Miguel Matos

Saludos de nuevo. Esta es otra nueva petición: creo que los
compresores no están cumpliendo con su trabajo. El gestor de
archivadores de Debian sólo extrae las carpetas (en algunos casos),
pero sin sacar más nada. Probé con xarchiver; pero, con un comprimido,
me dice:

unrar 0.0.1  Copyright (C) 2004  Ben Asselstine, Jeroen Dekkers


Extracting from /media/DATOS/Aplicaciones/zet 9 full geo 9.1.29.10417.rar

Extracting  file_id.diz   Failed
Extracting  RBC.nfo   Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/AffeticPF.txtFailed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/AffeticPF.txtFailed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/alphabet.txt Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Interface.txtFailed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Interface.txtFailed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Message2.txt Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Message2.txt Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Messages.txt Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Messages.txt Failed
Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Satellites.txt   Failed
Extracting  ijtitul.exe   Failed
Extracting  zet.exe   Failed
Extracting  ijtitul.dat   Failed
Extracting  newopt.datFailed
16 Failed

Esta es mi duda: ¿qué es lo que no hacen los compresores en Debian con
los archivos, y cuál puede ser el mejor recomendado? O mejor dicho:
¿qué estoy haciendo mal que no me funcionan los compresores de
archivos?

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Re: Cisco AnyConnect VPN

2014-04-06 Thread sebastián

El 06/04/14 22:08, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:
 alguien sabe como me conecto a mi trabajo q me piden eso?

 tengo debian


Hola Edward,

Entiendo que es el servicio de VPN de Cisco.

Cisco tiene un cliente gratuito para Linux bastante desactualizado y que
además falla en equipos amd64. Hasta donde recuerdo nadie había sorteado
el problema.

Hice la prueba con vpnc y anduvo perfectamente así que te lo recomiendo.

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Re: ¿qué hacen, o mejor dicho, no hacen, los compresores en Debian?

2014-04-06 Thread Matías Bellone

2014-04-06 23:09 GMT-03:00 Miguel Matos unefistano...@gmail.com:

 Saludos de nuevo. Esta es otra nueva petición: creo que los
 compresores no están cumpliendo con su trabajo. El gestor de
 archivadores de Debian sólo extrae las carpetas (en algunos casos),
 pero sin sacar más nada. Probé con xarchiver; pero, con un comprimido,
 me dice:

 unrar 0.0.1  Copyright (C) 2004  Ben Asselstine, Jeroen Dekkers


 Extracting from /media/DATOS/Aplicaciones/zet 9 full geo 9.1.29.10417.rar

 Extracting  file_id.diz
 Failed
 Extracting  RBC.nfo
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/AffeticPF.txt
  Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/AffeticPF.txt
  Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/alphabet.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Interface.txt
  Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Interface.txt
  Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Message2.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Message2.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Messages.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/Russian/Messages.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  LANGUAGE/English/Satellites.txt
 Failed
 Extracting  ijtitul.exe
 Failed
 Extracting  zet.exe
 Failed
 Extracting  ijtitul.dat
 Failed
 Extracting  newopt.dat
  Failed
 16 Failed

 Esta es mi duda: ¿qué es lo que no hacen los compresores en Debian con
 los archivos, y cuál puede ser el mejor recomendado? O mejor dicho:
 ¿qué estoy haciendo mal que no me funcionan los compresores de
 archivos?


Todo depende de cómo se haya creado el archivo que quieres descomprimir. En
mi experiencia el descompresor libre no puede descomprimir archivos de las
últimas versiones RAR. Para eso te recomendaría utilizar el que viene en el
paquete unrar-nonfree. Nunca tuve problemas con ese.

Y es por eso que utilizo sistemas de compresión libres.

Saludos,
Toote

Re: [OT] Curso Debian Servers

2014-04-06 Thread Felix Perez

El día 6 de abril de 2014, 22:12, Alberto Rivera M.
rivera.albe...@gmail.com escribió:
 On 06/04/14 13:59, Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez wrote:

 Buen dia,

 No encontre el hilo anterior, pero este ya seria el ultimo :P.

 Ya se finalizo el Video Curso Básico de GNU Linux Usando Debian

 Capitulo 1: Que es GNU/Linux, Historia
 Capitulo 2: Por que Elegir GNU/Linux
 Capitulo 3: Seleccion de la Distribucion e Instalacion
 Capitulo 4: Verificadno el Estado del Sistema
 Capitulo 5: Directorios y Archivos (I y II)
 Capitulo 6: Usuarios y Grupos
 Capitulo 7: Permisos
 Capitulo 8: Configuracion de la Red
 Capitulo 9: Tuberias, Filtros y Redireccionadores
 Capitulo 10: Herramientas GNU/Linux
 Capitulo 11: Instalar Software
 Capitulo 12: Instalar Entorno Grafico
 Capitulo 13: Servicios

 Podran verlo en:
 http://servicios.sugeek.co/ventanas/capacitaciones/gnulinux.html
 Descargarlo de:
 https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=17A8C4EDAC780683!111authkey=!AIlhCcJ76ody_kQithint=folder%2c.mp4

 Espero que sea de su gusto. El Curso Medio se tiene planeado para Mayo-Junio


 FRANK HARBEY SANABRIA FLOREZ
 Tecnologo en Telecomunicaciones y Sistemas
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 @franksanabria
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 y que imbecilidad  aunque el curso sea maravilloso o aunque
 me pagaran no me voy a registrar en micrtorososft para poder bajarlo !!!
 quien fue  el idiota que lo puso ahí, no conocen otra plataforma, OMG 
 ...  increíble jajajajaja ...


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Re: Cisco AnyConnect VPN

2014-04-06 Thread Eduardo A . Bustamante López

Yo he usado 'vpnc' y 'openconnect' (ambos en los repos de debian)
para conectarme a la VPN de Cisco. openconnect es el equivalente a
AnyConnect.

Para generar tokens uso 'stoken', si es que debes usar tokens.
On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 08:38:48PM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
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Re: Debian Gnome 3

2014-04-06 Thread Per Andersson

2014-04-05 22:44 GMT+02:00 Rolf Edlund rolfew...@gmail.com:
 Den 5 april 2014 21:33 skrev Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com:
 Jepp, lusläste nu dmesg filen, på en uppstart från
 debian-live-7.4-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso. Och hittade då detta:

 =
  [radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or
 later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
 =

 Så där verkar problemet ligga för mig.

 Det var typiskt något sådant där jag tänkte att du skulle leta efter. :-)

 Känner mig riktigt stolt, för att jag lyckades alldeles själv. ;)

Härligt!


 Eftersom jag inte visste själv på rak arm tänkte jag kika och se själv.

 Vilket du slipper nu.. :). Eller ?

För att svara på den egentliga frågan: Det jag misstänkte var att firmware
inte laddades. :-)

Är firmware-linux-nonfree installerat? (Kolla med apt-cache policy paket.)

Du kan ju lägga till en apt-spegel med nonfree i /etc/apt/sources.list annars
bara och köra apt-get update och sedan installera firmware-linux-nonfree.
Lite knöligt att hålla på med det på ett live-system så klart...


Om det är som du säger att firmware-linux-nonfree inte är installerat på
live+nonfree-skivan så är det väl en bugg. Den ska nog rapporteras mot
paketet live-boot [0].

Den här diskussionen från debian-live@l.d.o kanske är relaterad? [1]


[0] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=live-boot
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2014/01/msg00014.html


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Re: Debian Gnome 3

2014-04-06 Thread Rolf Edlund

Den 6 april 2014 09:24 skrev Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com:
Känner mig riktigt stolt, för att jag lyckades alldeles själv. ;)

Härligt!

Ska nog ta jobb som IT tekniker nu ;).

För att svara på den egentliga frågan: Det jag misstänkte var att firmware
inte laddades. :-)

Och du hade alldeles rätt! Så nu får du ytterligare en guldstjärna :).

Är firmware-linux-nonfree installerat? (Kolla med apt-cache policy paket.)

Kan kolla, nästa gång jag bootar om från USB stickan. Men det verkar ju inte så.

Du kan ju lägga till en apt-spegel med nonfree i /etc/apt/sources.list annars
bara och köra apt-get update och sedan installera firmware-linux-nonfree.
Lite knöligt att hålla på med det på ett live-system så klart...

Jo. Frågan är bara om intern minner räcker till i min dator. Den har
bara 4 GB, varav 2 GB används till grafikhanteringen.

Btw, tack för all hjälp som jag fått hitintills av dig och andra !!

Om det är som du säger att firmware-linux-nonfree inte är installerat på
live+nonfree-skivan så är det väl en bugg. Den ska nog rapporteras mot
paketet live-boot [0].

Det får du gärna göra. Men vi kanske först ska kolla upp, om paketet
är installerat eller ej först ?

Den här diskussionen från debian-live@l.d.o kanske är relaterad? [1]

[0] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=live-boot
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2014/01/msg00014.html

Ska kolla på länkarna

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Re: Debian Gnome 3

2014-04-06 Thread Rolf Edlund

Den 6 april 2014 09:24 skrev Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com:
 Är firmware-linux-nonfree installerat? (Kolla med apt-cache policy paket.)

Gjorde nyss en snabbkoll. Och det paketet är inte installerad på live
skivan. Där hittade jag bara firmware-linux-free.

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Re: Acesso a dispositivo USB para usuários comuns

2014-04-06 Thread Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro

Desinstalei o tal do usbmount (que, embora na descrição do pacote digam que
ele é configurável, não tem man nem encontrei informações sobre ele na
Internet) e tudo voltou ao normal.

Quando eu for usar a case externa de HD, eu procuro outra solução (já que
instalei o usbmount para fazê-la funcionar).

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Atenciosamente,

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Em 4 de abril de 2014 10:17, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro 
marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Obrigado e desculpe-me pela demora no feedback.

 Rafael, eu realmente instalei pelo USB, mas removi as entradas referentes
 ao USB e não surtiu nenhum efeito.

 Bruno, é sim um SD dentro de um Celular, com modo de conexão configurado
 para modo de armazenamento em massa (MSC) e se colocar o celular em Modo
 de transferência de mídia (MTP) acontece a mesma coisa. E só tem um
 usuário no meu sistema (inclusive uso sudo) e ele está no plugdev (tenho a
 impressão de que o usb que não está nesse grupo e que o usuário associado é
 por algum motivo qualquer o root e acho que esse é o problema, mas não
 sei/posso mudar isso).

 Opções de montagem:
 ~$ mount | grep /media/usb0
 /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat
 (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)

 Stat de um arquivo:
 ~$ stat /media/usb0/osmand/Brazil_southamerica.obf
   File: /media/usb0/osmand/Brazil_southamerica.obf
   Size: 434691621 Blocks: 849024 IO Block: 32768  arquivo comum
 Device: 811h/2065dInode: 1697Links: 1
 Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (0/root)
 Access: 2014-04-02 00:00:00.0 -0300
 Modify: 2014-03-23 08:15:22.0 -0300
 Change: 2014-03-29 18:19:15.0 -0300
  Birth: -



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 Em 2 de abril de 2014 10:39, Bruno Schneider boschnei...@gmail.comescreveu:

 2014-03-29 17:40 GMT-03:00 Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro escreveu:
  Olá, como faço para acessar um dispositivo USB (no meu caso um celular
 com
  Android) como um usuário regular? Não consigo renomear, criar ou apagar
  arquivos no dispositivo, consigo apenas abrir/visualizar.

 Márcio, trata-se um cartão de memória no celular, certo? Suponho que
 ele usa sistema vfat e portanto o computador precisa associar os
 arquivos a algum usuário que exista no computador. Esse usuário é o
 mesmo usuário comum que quer acessar o cartão?

 O acesso ao celular é feito por UMS (USB Mass Storage)? Em caso
 positivo, veja as opções de montagem com o comando mount | grep
 diretorio_relativo_ao_cartao.

 O usuário comum em questão pertence ao grupo plugdev?

 Mande um exemplo de situação de um arquivo com o comando stat arquivo.


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insserv: warning: script ... missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-04-06 Thread John Magolske

Hi,

After a recent `aptitude dist-upgrade` I'm getting a long string of
error messages about scripts ...missing LSB tags and overrides (some
of the output is pasted below). I've been searching around, but not
figuring out what the cause of this could be or how to resolve it.
Any clues or suggestions much appreciated.

John



% sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[...]
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Failed to perform requested operation on package.  Trying to recover:
Setting up binfmt-support (2.1.4-1) ...
update-binfmts: warning: current package is openjdk-7, but binary format 
already installed by openjdk-6
insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02haltlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.last' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootsplash_end.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.middle' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootsplash_start.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: script ssh.original: service sshd already provided!
insserv: warning: script 'firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootsplash_start.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'haltlocal.middle' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'samsung_x20' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: script grml-autoconfig.strace: service grml-autoconfig already 
provided!
insserv: warning: script 'haltlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootsplash_end.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'haltlocal.last' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootlocal.middle' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootlocal.last' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'grml-reboot' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: There is a loop between service monit and firewall if stopped
insserv:  loop involving service firewall at depth 2
insserv:  loop involving service monit at depth 1
insserv: Stopping firewall depends on monit and therefore on system facility 
`$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping haltlocal.middle depends on monit and therefore on system 
facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping samsung_x20 depends on monit and therefore on system facility 
`$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping haltlocal.last depends on monit and therefore on system 
facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping haltlocal.middle depends on monit and therefore on system 
facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping samsung_x20 depends on monit and therefore on system facility 
`$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping haltlocal.last depends on monit and therefore on system 
facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping grml-reboot depends on monit and therefore on system facility 
`$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Stopping grml-reboot depends on monit and therefore on system facility 
`$all' which can not be true!
insserv: exiting now without changing boot order!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
dpkg: error processing package binfmt-support (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Setting up dbus (1.8.0-3) ...
insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02haltlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.last' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootsplash_end.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.middle' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'K02bootsplash_start.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: script ssh.original: service sshd already provided!
insserv: warning: script 'firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'bootsplash_start.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'haltlocal.middle' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'samsung_x20' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: script grml-autoconfig.strace: service grml-autoconfig already 
provided!
insserv: warning: script 'haltlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning:

Re: insserv: warning: script ... missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-04-06 Thread John Magolske

I forgot to mention in my last email that this is on Debian Sid.
And while I don't want to paste the entire 1000+ lines of output,
below I've included the tail end for some additional context.

* John Magolske listm...@b79.net [140405 23:46]:
 After a recent `aptitude dist-upgrade` I'm getting a long string of
 error messages 
 [...] 
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
 Failed to perform requested operation on package.  Trying to recover:
 Setting up binfmt-support (2.1.4-1) ...
 update-binfmts: warning: current package is openjdk-7, but binary format 
 already installed by openjdk-6
 insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K02haltlocal.first' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K02bootlocal.last' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K02bootsplash_end.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides

[...]

dpkg: error processing package cups-core-drivers (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-xorg:
 xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.15.0.901); however:
  Package xserver-xorg-core is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package xserver-xorg (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-xorg-video-all:
 xserver-xorg-video-all depends on xserver-xorg-video-vmware; however:
  Package xserver-xorg-video-vmware is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package xserver-xorg-video-all (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xvfb:
 xvfb depends on xserver-common (= 2:1.15.0.901-1); however:
  Package xserver-common is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package xvfb (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xnest:
 xnest depends on xserver-common (= 2:1.15.0.901-1); however:
  Package xserver-common is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package xnest (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 binfmt-support
 dbus
 shorewall
 lighttpd
 x11-common
 acpid
 acct
 openssh-server
 dbus-x11
 cups-daemon
 network-manager
 rsyslog
 haproxy
 policykit-1
 cups
 xserver-common
 ssh
 xserver-xorg-core
 xserver-xorg-video-vmware
 cups-core-drivers
 xserver-xorg
 xserver-xorg-video-all
 xvfb
 xnest




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Net install cd, Not a Bug Report!!

2014-04-06 Thread Miles Wade

Guys!

I want to thank ya'll for how well the net installation CD image works. I have 
spent many days attempting to install various distributions from CDs and DVDs 
ubuntu, fedora, suse mint etc. None of them could get past the partition editor 
stage of the install process. I have no clues why none of them worked. My 
understanding of Linux is at best intermediate.    

In an attempt to make a final try. I downloaded a Debian 7.4 Net Install CD 
image to do a net install.  Success! I've used the same disk on 4 different 
computers and it's worked every time.  Whatever partitioning tool is on that 
disk far surpasses what's on the other distros. Something on those other 
distros is seriously broken so please don't change your partition editor.

What started this spasm of Linux activity is the April 8th, XP 
Apocalypse/Shutdown of support. I refuse to deal with Windows 8.X.  My major 
reason for all the effort was to replace my old installs of XP Pro. I need to 
get a clear understanding of at least one flavor of Linux OS. It looks like 
Debian will be it. 

Again, thank you for such a bug-free install! 

 
Miles Wade

Re: pool to dists assocation?

2014-04-06 Thread Tom H

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
 On Sat, 05 Apr 2014, Peter Michaux wrote:

 Using dpkg --info for these two packages, I don't see what information
 is used about the package so that dpkg-ftparchive knows with which
 distribution to associate each package.

 The association between versions of binary/source packages and a suite
 is tracked by dak which builds the Packages and Sources files. [There's
 a postgresql database which actually tracks all of this.]

Isn't this exposed to users through, for example,
http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.{bz2,gz};,
which is downloaded by apt-get update to /var/lib/apt/lists/ as
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages?


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Re: pool to dists assocation?

2014-04-06 Thread Slavko

Hi,

Dňa Sat, 5 Apr 2014 21:46:56 -0700 Peter Michaux
petermich...@gmail.com napísal:

 Thank you, Don. I don't think I want to manage my small repository
 with dak. That seems like it would be overkill.

I use the reprepro for this. It manages two repositories for me - one
public (where i share packages) and one local, where are thing which i
cannot distribute or not want to share them. The shared ones has three
architectures (amd64, i386, armhf - for Raspberry Pi) and two distributions
- stable and testing, all in one directory tree.

It takes some time to learn it, but i have small script, which wrap
adding/removing packages to them.

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Re: pool to dists assocation?

2014-04-06 Thread Tom H

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Peter Michaux petermich...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
 On Sat, 05 Apr 2014, Peter Michaux wrote:

 Using dpkg --info for these two packages, I don't see what information
 is used about the package so that dpkg-ftparchive knows with which
 distribution to associate each package.

 The association between versions of binary/source packages and a suite
 is tracked by dak which builds the Packages and Sources files. [There's
 a postgresql database which actually tracks all of this.]

 Thank you, Don. I don't think I want to manage my small repository
 with dak. That seems like it would be overkill.

 Another option I saw in the man page for apt-ftparchive is the
 FileList option to specify exactly which files are included in each
 distribution. I had it working but the idea of maintaining extra lists
 of files seems like more work than I'd like and probably error prone.

 I think I'll just keep two pools called testing and stable. Each
 pool will feed into the respective distribution. When a package in
 testing is verified as ready, I'll move it to stable and regenerate
 the Packages and Release files for the distributions. Hopefully it
 works out to be as easy as it currently seems it will be.

Please ignore my previous email in this thread. I didn't read your
original email carefully enough... Sorry.


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Re: How to Switch Between Gnome and KDE

2014-04-06 Thread Joe

On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 20:22:55 -0400
Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote:

  ray r...@aarden.us wrote:
 
  
  Gnome is referred to as a desktop environment, as it is much more
  than just a manager of windows, menus etc. KDE is the other
  heavyweight DE, there are two medium-weight DEs, LXDE and Xfce4.
  There is also at least one fork of an older version of Gnome, as
  the current Gnome is a bit heavy on resources and won't run well on
  hardware more than a few years old.
 
 I see this mentioned a lot that Gnome-Shell won't run on hardware more
 than a few years old. This is patently false. I've run it on a
 laptop more than 7 years old with  no issue what-so-ever. Gnome-Shell
 just disables stuff if it isn't supported hardware wise - some of the
 more interesting video effects that is.
 
 The issue isn't so much the hardware but the amount of ram one has on
 the applicable hardware. Even 7 year old hardware often has 1Gb of ram
 or even more.
 
 

OK, I did investigate it somewhat, and I'm being simplistic here. But
this investigation was begun when I upgraded to Gnome3 and on login I
was presented with a new, empty Gnome 'legacy' desktop after being told
somewhat curtly that my video hardware wasn't good enough for the
wonderful new desktop experience, and that the Gnome developers weren't
interested in 'legacy' hardware. My previous Gnome desktop
configurations had disappeared.

I call that 'not running well'.

Yes, I recovered it all, and even got Gnome3 working, but after a few
days I decided I didn't like all the extra keystrokes and steps to do
my usual jobs, and the distinct loss of speed, so I switched to LXDE.
And it is indeed the shell, and not Gnome itself which was the issue,
but that took a few days to get explained properly. I have no idea if
the 'legacy' shell is still being maintained, because at the time it
was made clear that it was only a temporary measure, presumably while
we all bought new video cards. I am still using some of Gnome3 itself
now, just not the desktop shell.

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USB Webcam Grabs ALSA Card Index 0

2014-04-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch

Hi,

I have two usb devices on my system, which register with the snd_usb_audio 
module, a USB Headset and a USB webcam (has a microphone built-in). I use

options snd-usb-audio index=-2

in modprobe.d to keep the usb devices away from card index 0, since I want to 
be snd_hda_intel the default.

That works well as long as I do not plug in the USB webcam. If I plug in the 
USB webcam, the webcam grabs card index 0.

Does anybody understand why that is?

Here are some more detailed data (the usb device asr both from Logitech):

blackbox:~# lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:0825 Logitech, Inc. Webcam C270
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:0a44 Logitech, Inc. 
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04b4:6560 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. CY7C65640 USB-2.0 
TetraHub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0781:5567 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Blade
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c05b Logitech, Inc. M-U0004 810-001317 [B110 
Optical USB Mouse]
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
blackbox:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [U0x46d0x825]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x825
  USB Device 0x46d:0x825 at usb-:00:1a.7-5.4, high 
speed
 1 [Headset]: USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset
  Logitech Logitech USB Headset at usb-:00:1a.7-5.1, 
full speed
 2 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
  HDA Intel at 0xfe7f4000 irq 45
blackbox:~# cat /proc/asound/modules 
 0 snd_usb_audio
 1 snd_usb_audio
 2 snd_hda_intel
blackbox:~# cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf 
# autoloader aliases
install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7
# Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd  { /sbin/modprobe --quiet 
snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq ; : ; }
install snd-rawmidi /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-rawmidi  { 
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq-midi ; : ; }
install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1  { 
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-emu10k1-synth ; : ; }
# Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-pcsp index=-2
# Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-usb-audio index=-2
# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
options bt87x index=-2
options cx88_alsa index=-2
options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
blackbox:~# 


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Re: How to Switch Between Gnome and KDE

2014-04-06 Thread Joe

On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 20:43:51 -0700 (PDT)
ray r...@aarden.us wrote:

 
  At logon, you can choose between any desktop environments and window
  
  managers you have installed, and usually there is also a 'last one
  
  used' entry.
  
  Joe
  
 
 Great, thank you.  I can now switch.  I was hoping to see a change.
 For example, I understand the Gnome has the date and menu at the top
 and KDE at the bottom of the screen.  After switching to KDE and
 rebooting, I see a new log in window, but when I get to the desk top,
 nothing is different from Gnome.  The menus are also the same.
 
Yes, the menus should remain constant, though some DEs seem to be able
to display the Debian menu and some don't. But the main menu system
finds most things these days, it tends to be older applications which
exist only in the Debian menu tree.


 I must be missing something.

I don't know, I haven't run Gnome3 for a long time, and have never run
the latest KDE. I use Knoppix occasionally, but that dropped KDE in
favour of LXDE years ago. Gnome and KDE used to be quite different,
with KDE looking slicker and more like Windows, which helped people
migrating, and Gnome being more free in software terms. But KDE is now
as free, and Gnome has evolved towards Windows, so I suppose there may
not be many superficial differences. They both run the same
applications, of course.

I think the main differences are in the bells and whistles attached to
the desktop. Gnome and KDE use different sets of 'widgets', the
controls and other building blocks of screen furniture, and I think
that Gnome-specific plugins won't run in KDE task bars, and vice versa.
These days, most of the useful plugins have variants for most desktop
environments. But I had a weather plugin running on Gnome2 which
doesn't work in LXDE, for example, and I haven't yet found the right
incantation to see the (Gnome) Network Manager applet in the Xfce4
panel, though I believe that should be possible. It claims to be there,
I just can't see anything.

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Puzzled: synaptic wants to install 'unauthenticated' ssh (and others)

2014-04-06 Thread Ron Leach

List, I must have done something odd or, maybe, missed a Debian 
release certificate change, or something.  But I'm not sure how to 
reinstate security for software upgrades or installations.


Wheezy 64, using synaptic, on a laptop with a pretty normal set of 
desktop applications.  Synaptic marked a few items as 'upgradeable', 
maybe a dozen, including openssh and iceweasel.  Asked synaptic to 
apply the upgrades, and it replies with a text box warning that some 
upgrades cannot be authenticated.  Among those are openssh client and 
server, and iceweasel; the list of unauthenticatable items pretty much 
matches the list of items that synaptic has marked as upgradeable.


The last changes I did were to install (a few minutes before) a 386 
architecture, through apt and synaptic, without encountering any 
authentication issues.  In the meantime I've declined any more 
changes.  How best should I get back to a state where synaptic's 
updates are authenticated?


Grateful for any pointers,

regards, Ron


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Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients


I'd like exim4 to automatically encrypt messages to a specific recipient 
with the recipient's GPG public key. 

I thought this was a common issue with an established solution, but 
surprisingly I could not find anything. When I asked elsewhere, the 
reply was in effect it's complicated.

I'm barely a novice as far as exim4 is concerned. Any hints?

Michael

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Re: How to Switch Between Gnome and KDE

2014-04-06 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Saturday 05 April 2014 22:12:15 ray wrote:
  Which desktop manager are you using?  Once we know, one of us
  will be able to tell you how to switch.
  I'm sure that you don't need to edit anything.

 I appologize as I am new to Linux I may need some help in the
 terminology.  Please  help me understand 'which desktop manager'. 
 When I said I have been running Gnome on Debian 7.4, I thought
 Gnome was the desktop manager.  Is there something else that is a
 desktop manager?

Yes.  If you are running GNOME you have probably, though no 
necessarily, got gdm - gnome desktop manager.  It is the application 
that you use to login.  If you describe what you have to do to log 
in, someone will probably recognise it and can tell you what to do 
next to change the desktop you use for that session.

I am about to go out again.  When I get back, I'll check how far you 
have already got and try to work out how to help you more, if you 
still need it.  There are others here. ;-)

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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

2014-04-06 Thread Brian

On Sun 06 Apr 2014 at 12:57:52 +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote:

 I'd like exim4 to automatically encrypt messages to a specific recipient 
 with the recipient's GPG public key. 
 
 I thought this was a common issue with an established solution, but 
 surprisingly I could not find anything. When I asked elsewhere, the 
 reply was in effect it's complicated.
 
 I'm barely a novice as far as exim4 is concerned. Any hints?

There is something similar at

   http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.exim.user/93314/focus=93423


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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

2014-04-06 Thread Joe

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:57:52 +0200
Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote:

 
 I'd like exim4 to automatically encrypt messages to a specific
 recipient with the recipient's GPG public key. 
 
 I thought this was a common issue with an established solution, but 
 surprisingly I could not find anything. When I asked elsewhere, the 
 reply was in effect it's complicated.
 
 I'm barely a novice as far as exim4 is concerned. Any hints?
 

This isn't really the kind of thing that exim4 would normally get
involved in. If security is necessary, you want it client-to-client,
not just between servers. While you may be using exim4 on the same
machine as your email client, this isn't the expected usage, and MITM
attacks may happen in a network (or even within a computer, for that
matter).

Email clients do this sort of thing routinely (the mis-spelling is not
mine, that really is the page name):

https://securityinabox.org/en/thuderbird_encryption

Some people may use multiple email clients on different computers, with
the mail all sent out through a network server, as I do. It would be
convenient to do all the configuration in one place, but less secure,
and not many people work in this way. About the only ready-made
single-point-configuration solution will probably be webmail based on
the server. Squirrelmail can use GPG though I don't know how
sophisticated it is.

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mbox files - can they be compacted?

2014-04-06 Thread Rafał Radecki

Hi All ;)

Is there an option to compact large mbox files from the shell? I did not
find anything in google, I have some very large constantly updated mbox
files and would like to know if they can be made smaller with any tool.
AFAIK mutt does such operation when for example an email is deleted but I
am curious if there are other options.

BR,
Rafal.

Re: USB Webcam Grabs ALSA Card Index 0

2014-04-06 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

* Rainer Dorsch m...@bokomoko.de [2014-04-06 11:00 +0200]:

 Hi,
 
 I have two usb devices on my system, which register with the snd_usb_audio 
 module, a USB Headset and a USB webcam (has a microphone built-in). I use
 
 options snd-usb-audio index=-2
 
 in modprobe.d to keep the usb devices away from card index 0, since I want to 
 be snd_hda_intel the default.

Sounds somewhat different than in your bugreport.

 That works well as long as I do not plug in the USB webcam. If I plug in the 
 USB webcam, the webcam grabs card index 0.
 
 Does anybody understand why that is?
 
 Here are some more detailed data (the usb device asr both from Logitech):
 
 blackbox:~# lsusb
 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:0825 Logitech, Inc. Webcam C270
 Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:0a44 Logitech, Inc. 
 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04b4:6560 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. CY7C65640 
 USB-2.0 
 TetraHub
 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0781:5567 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Blade
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c05b Logitech, Inc. M-U0004 810-001317 [B110 
 Optical USB Mouse]
 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 blackbox:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
  0 [U0x46d0x825]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x825
   USB Device 0x46d:0x825 at usb-:00:1a.7-5.4, high 
 speed
  1 [Headset]: USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset
   Logitech Logitech USB Headset at usb-:00:1a.7-5.1, 
 full speed
  2 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
   HDA Intel at 0xfe7f4000 irq 45
 blackbox:~# cat /proc/asound/modules 
  0 snd_usb_audio
  1 snd_usb_audio
  2 snd_hda_intel


Create as root a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa_local.conf:

###
options snd slots=snd-hda-intel
options snd-usb-audio index=1,2 vid=0x46d,0x46d pid=0xa44,0x825
###


This should preserve the first soundslot for your intel card. Your
headset (ID 046d:0a44) will become index 1 and your webcam (ID
046d:0825) index 2 though.

See http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards

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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

On Sunday 06 April 2014 12:46:45 Brian wrote:
 On Sun 06 Apr 2014 at 12:57:52 +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote:
  I'd like exim4 to automatically encrypt messages to a specific
  recipient with the recipient's GPG public key.
  
  I thought this was a common issue with an established solution, but
  surprisingly I could not find anything. When I asked elsewhere, the
  reply was in effect it's complicated.
  
  I'm barely a novice as far as exim4 is concerned. Any hints?
 
 There is something similar at
 
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.exim.user/93314/focus=93423

Thanks, I'll look into it and hope I'll understand the configuration 
details.

Michael

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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

On Sunday 06 April 2014 12:50:09 Joe wrote:
 On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:57:52 +0200
 
 Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote:
  I'd like exim4 to automatically encrypt messages to a specific
  recipient with the recipient's GPG public key.
  
  I thought this was a common issue with an established solution, but
  surprisingly I could not find anything. When I asked elsewhere, the
  reply was in effect it's complicated.
  
  I'm barely a novice as far as exim4 is concerned. Any hints?
 
 This isn't really the kind of thing that exim4 would normally get
 involved in. If security is necessary, you want it client-to-client,
 not just between servers. While you may be using exim4 on the same
 machine as your email client, this isn't the expected usage, and MITM
 attacks may happen in a network (or even within a computer, for that
 matter).

I don't intend to use it for personal mail. I want this for system-
generated messages that are send to root. Those messages are already 
forwarded (/etc/aliases) to another user; in addition I'd like to send 
them to an (presumably) insecure email account hosted at a mail 
provider.

Michael

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Re: insserv: warning: script ... missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-04-06 Thread Chris Bannister

On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 11:44:28PM -0700, John Magolske wrote:
 Hi,
 
 After a recent `aptitude dist-upgrade` I'm getting a long string of
 error messages about scripts ...missing LSB tags and overrides (some

 insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K02grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: script grml-autoconfig.strace: service grml-autoconfig already 
 provided!
 insserv: warning: script 'grml-home' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'grml-misc' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'grml-reboot' missing LSB tags and overrides

[...]

What's all this grml* stuff?
You're going to have to clean all that stuff up first.

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Re: mbox files - can they be compacted?

2014-04-06 Thread Kumar Appaiah

On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 02:10:09PM +0200, Rafał Radecki wrote:
Hi All ;)
Is there an option to compact large mbox files from the shell? I did not
find anything in google, I have some very large constantly updated mbox
files and would like to know if they can be made smaller with any tool.
AFAIK mutt does such operation when for example an email is deleted but I
am curious if there are other options.

What do you mean by compacting? If you are talking about gzipping
it, then you can just gzip your mboxes. If you want Mutt to directly
read/write gzipped mboxes, you can check the gzipped mboxes section
here:
http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/storage/

Do note that this might slow down access to the files, since it has to
compress/decompress the mbox each time you want to read or write it.

HTH.

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Re: How to Switch Between Gnome and KDE

2014-04-06 Thread Klaus

On 06/04/14 12:26, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Saturday 05 April 2014 22:12:15 ray wrote:
 Which desktop manager are you using?
 
 I appologize as I am new to Linux I may need some help in the 
 terminology.  Please  help me understand 'which desktop manager'.
 
 Yes.  If you are running GNOME you have probably, though no 
 necessarily, got gdm - gnome desktop manager. Lisi
 
 
Lisi,
As Tom has already mentioned, you quite likely mean *display* rather
than *desktop* manager. And in the case of gdm, apt-cache show gdm3
tells us among other things:

Description-en: Next generation GNOME Display Manager
GDM provides the equivalent of a login: prompt for X displays: it
asks for a login and starts X sessions.

---

Ray,

 I think I am using Gnome; I am using the default, it has the menus at
 the top like Gnome where KDE has them at the bottom and I have not
 found any way to determine which GUI I actually have.
 
 ray
If you are in Gnome, a GUI way of finding out is to take one of the many
ways (right-click on background, or press Win key and type settings, or
from the user menu, or... ) to go to Settings -- Details and it'll say
in big bold letters Gnome X.x.x and other stuff.
Sorry, can't help with KDE, never seen it myself.

Or you open a terminal, and look at /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
and see where it points to, which in my case yields

$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Jan 16 22:09
/etc/alternatives/x-session-manager - /usr/bin/gnome-session

It also still looks like you haven't found how  where to switch between
different desktop environments, eg. Gnome -- KDE. No need to reboot,
just log out, and once you are back at the login screen, select your
user name and enter the password, but before clicking login there is
another (dropdown?) menu from which you can select the session. Can
you see your newly installed KDE in the list?


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Re: no eth0 connection-redux

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Powell

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 20:55:12 -0400 (EDT), Tom Furie wrote:

Thread wasn't broken here. The References: header in Robert's mail
indicates that it was indeed a reply (to his original post on this
thread).

Perhaps I need to explain what I mean by broken thread.
The original post was in March. This is April. The Debian mailing
list archives don't allow a thread to span months. Thus, a reply to
a message from a previous month has the same effect as starting a new
thread, as far as the Debian archives are concerned. There were
April messages he could have replied to, such as this one:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg00156.html

which would have preserved the April thread in one piece. Yes, you can
click on the In-Reply-To link and see the message he is replying to.
But the Previous by thread link at the bottom of the page points to
a different thread, which means that the list considers this message to
be the start of a new thread, even though it has an In-Reply-To header.
See

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/

for reference purposes.

I see that you have an In-Reply-To: header, but no References: header. I
also see that you are using Zimbra, perhaps Zimbra needs to be taught
about References: headers.

That would be nice, actually. The e-mail client I use does not allow me
to edit headers. Fortunately, the In-Reply-To field is sufficient for
the mailing list archives to properly connect the new post to the thread.

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Re: Long-term support for Squeeze

2014-04-06 Thread Miroslav Skoric


On 03/19/2014 01:42 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:



After all, the clock keeps ticking and Debian squeeze is going to reach
its End of Life in less than two months otherwise.




Whatever happens, I'd keep 'Squeeze LTS' for at least a couple of years 
more, if for nothing else but for keeping the old hardware playing as a 
firewall/router for the rest of the home LAN. I checked the difference 
in between Squeeze and Wheezy HW requirements and it seems that Wheezy 
asks for some more RAM. And one of my old machines has only 224 MB of 
RAM with Celeron 400 MHz CPU. That old box runs 6.0.9 now and I am not 
sure if it would accept an upgrade to 7.0.4 - not to mention that its 
HDD also does not have too much free space ...


However, if Squeeze is going to be officially abandoned soon, I'd search 
for some alternatives ...



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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

2014-04-06 Thread Curt

On 2014-04-06, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote:

 I don't intend to use it for personal mail. I want this for system-
 generated messages that are send to root. Those messages are already 
 forwarded (/etc/aliases) to another user; in addition I'd like to send 
 them to an (presumably) insecure email account hosted at a mail 
 provider.

 Michael

What about this (involves a simple Procmail ditty):

http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/10/31/automatically-encrypt-system-emails/


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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

On Sunday 06 April 2014 15:23:23 Curt wrote:
 On 2014-04-06, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote:
  I don't intend to use it for personal mail. I want this for system-
  generated messages that are send to root. Those messages are already
  forwarded (/etc/aliases) to another user; in addition I'd like to
  send them to an (presumably) insecure email account hosted at a
  mail provider.
  
  Michael
 
 What about this (involves a simple Procmail ditty):
 
 http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/10/31/automatically-encrypt-system- 
 emails/

Thanks! That works very nicely.

I always thought procmail wasn't for me as I only use desktop MUAs. 
Apparently I was mistaken.

Michael

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Re: Unable to start nm-applet

2014-04-06 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 11:21:12 +0530
Anubhav Yadav anubhav1...@gmail.com wrote:

  install xfce
  run xfce
  kill xfwm and start i3 instead ( in the same command, or you might
  be annoyed because not having any wm will make things a lot harder
  to control your system. ).
 
 I killed xfwm4 using kill and killall command but xfwm4 respawns
 itself back as soon as I kill it.

I think there's an Xfce setting to tell what window manager you want to
use with it, and if I'm correct about that, there's no need to kill one
and start the other every time.

Thanks,

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Re: How to Switch Between Gnome and KDE

2014-04-06 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Sunday 06 April 2014 04:43:51 ray wrote:
  At logon, you can choose between any desktop environments and
  window
 
  managers you have installed, and usually there is also a 'last
  one
 
  used' entry.
 
  Joe

 Great, thank you.  I can now switch.  I was hoping to see a change.

As has been suggested, you appear to have changed Display Manager 
(thanks, guys.  The original Mrs. Malaprop, me.) and not desktop 
environment.  You were probably using gdm3.  If you still are, there 
does appear to be a problem indeed and it is not just you.  This 
might help:
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/8018/fedora-16-gdm-howto-change-desktop-to-log-in/

If you have managed to switch to kdm, then click where it 
says session and you will get the chance to chose your desktop 
environment.  I am not a fan of either GNOME3 or KDE4, so I am not an 
expert on them, - but they are certainly different.  Here's a picture 
of the kdm login screen.  You will see the word session down at the 
bottom left of the screen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Display_Manager

Lisi


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Re: Net install cd, Not a Bug Report!!

2014-04-06 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 00:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
Miles Wade milesw...@ymail.com wrote:

 Guys!
 
 I want to thank ya'll for how well the net installation CD image
 works. I have spent many days attempting to install various
 distributions from CDs and DVDs ubuntu, fedora, suse mint etc. None
 of them could get past the partition editor stage of the install
 process. I have no clues why none of them worked. My understanding of
 Linux is at best intermediate.    
 
 In an attempt to make a final try. I downloaded a Debian 7.4 Net
 Install CD image to do a net install.  Success! I've used the same
 disk on 4 different computers and it's worked every time.  Whatever
 partitioning tool is on that disk far surpasses what's on the other
 distros. Something on those other distros is seriously broken so
 please don't change your partition editor.
 
 What started this spasm of Linux activity is the April 8th, XP
 Apocalypse/Shutdown of support. I refuse to deal with Windows 8.X.
 My major reason for all the effort was to replace my old installs of
 XP Pro. I need to get a clear understanding of at least one flavor of
 Linux OS. It looks like Debian will be it. 
 
 Again, thank you for such a bug-free install! 

Hi Miles,

I can't say for sure why all the other distro installations crapped out
on your system, but I have some ideas why the Debian net install
generally succeeds when others fail:

* The net install has a CLI/curses installer that requires no X. Right
  away, you've saved huge memory and lots of other complications that
  could kill an installation for want of a silly driver.

* With the net install, you can do a tiny install, reboot, and install
  other software with apt-get install. So your likelihood of a
  functional install is greatly enhanced.

* A small Debian net install takes hardly any time at all. This means
  that if some intermittent, whether on your computer, your network, or
  your Internet connection, won't scuttle your install.

* Unlike Gentoo and the like, the Debian net install (and all Debian
  installs of which I'm aware) guarantees you a working kernel to boot
  to.

There are a lot of marginal computers out there that could run Linux,
if only they could *install* Linux. The Debian net install is perfect
for such computers. About a year ago I did a Debian net install on a
computer with a 500Mhz processor and 128K of RAM. Don't try that with
Ubuntu.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


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Re: Boot up is not Completing, it is Cycling

2014-04-06 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Sunday 06 April 2014 06:54:53 Chris Bannister wrote:
 $ man dmesg

$ man dmesg  text.txt

You will get a text file that you can read properly, and even change 
the font if you want to.

If you want to be able to use gedit to alter root owned files, there 
are two ways (other than logging in as root at the command line) that 
you can achieve this:
1.  Open a root terminal by your preferred method, at the command 
prompt type gedit.  gedit will then be running as root.
2.do alt-F2.  in the window taht will open up type :
gksu gedit
then enter
Again, gedit will be running as root.

HTH
Lisi


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Re: mbox files - can they be compacted?

2014-04-06 Thread Wilko Fokken

On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 02:10:09PM +0200, Rafał Radecki wrote:
 
 Is there an option to compact large mbox files from the shell?

gzip mbox_file

mutt -f mbox_file.gz

wwf


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Re: pool to dists assocation?

2014-04-06 Thread Peter Michaux

Hi Slavko,

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
 Hi,

 Dňa Sat, 5 Apr 2014 21:46:56 -0700 Peter Michaux
 petermich...@gmail.com napísal:

 Thank you, Don. I don't think I want to manage my small repository
 with dak. That seems like it would be overkill.

 I use the reprepro for this.

I investigated reprepro but the following article scared me off with
the line a single version per repository that is central to the
implementation.

http://nytefyre.net/2013/03/creating-signed-debian-apt-repository/

I figure that I need multiple versions in my repositories. If I
release a new version of a package to production but realize I want to
rollback to the previous version then that previous version still
needs to be in the repository.

Peter


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Re: Net install cd, Not a Bug Report!!

2014-04-06 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014, Miles Wade wrote:

 Guys!
 
 I want to thank ya'll for how well the net installation CD image
 works. I have spent many days attempting to install various
 distributions from CDs and DVDs ubuntu, fedora, suse mint etc. None
 of them could get past the partition editor stage of the install
 process. I have no clues why none of them worked. My understanding of
 Linux is at best intermediate.    

I've installed and used all those distros -- and more -- and never had
any partitioning problems whether I let the installer do it, or used
the guided option, or did it 100% manually.  My guess is that you
did something wrong somewhere along the way.

 In an attempt to make a final try. I downloaded a Debian 7.4 Net
 Install CD image to do a net install.  Success! I've used the same
 disk on 4 different computers and it's worked every time.  Whatever
 partitioning tool is on that disk far surpasses what's on the other
 distros. Something on those other distros is seriously broken so
 please don't change your partition editor.

I doubt if the other partitioners are broken.

 What started this spasm of Linux activity is the April 8th, XP
 Apocalypse/Shutdown of support. I refuse to deal with Windows 8.X.
 My major reason for all the effort was to replace my old installs of
 XP Pro. I need to get a clear understanding of at least one flavor of
 Linux OS. It looks like Debian will be it. 

Remember: Linux isn't Windows. So don't think it works the same way
because the GUIs look similar.  Linux is a whole different kind of
beast.

I suggest you get a good Linux reference book to study.
I started with RUNNING LINUX (O'Reilly, pub.).  The latest edition is
5,released 2005, which is a little dated, but not much.  Buy a used one
or find one of the free pdf downloads on the 'Net.  It'll get you
started.

Welcome to Debian.

B


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Re: Exim4: automatically GPG-encrypting messages to specific recipients

2014-04-06 Thread Brian

On Sun 06 Apr 2014 at 18:18:18 +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote:

 On Sunday 06 April 2014 15:23:23 Curt wrote:
  On 2014-04-06, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote:
   I don't intend to use it for personal mail. I want this for system-
   generated messages that are send to root. Those messages are already
   forwarded (/etc/aliases) to another user; in addition I'd like to
   send them to an (presumably) insecure email account hosted at a
   mail provider.
   
   Michael
  
  What about this (involves a simple Procmail ditty):
  
  http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/10/31/automatically-encrypt-system- 
  emails/
 
 Thanks! That works very nicely.
 
 I always thought procmail wasn't for me as I only use desktop MUAs. 
 Apparently I was mistaken.

How does procmail get called on all your *outgoing* mail?


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Problem Installing Debian Testng/Jessie VMware Tools

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen P. Molnar

I have installed Debian Testing/Jessie on my 64 bit Laptop in VMware Player
v- 6.0.1-1379776.  vmhgfs failed the build process.  The relevant portion of
the build log is (complete log is attached):

 

Using 2.6.x kernel buildInstalling VMware Tools.

make: Entering directory `/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only'

/usr/bin/make -C /lib/modules/3.13-1-amd64/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD
SRCROOT=$PWD/. \

 MODULEBUILDDIR= modules

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64'

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/backdoor.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/backdoorGcc64.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/bdhandler.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpName.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpNameLinux.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpNameLite.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/dir.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/dentry.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.o

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.o

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c: In function 'HgfsOpen':

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:685:27: error: incompatible type
for argument 3 of 'HgfsSetUidGid'

   current_fsuid(), current_fsgid());

   ^

In file included from /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:46:0:

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.h:92:6: note: expected 'uid_t' but
argument is of type 'kuid_t'

void HgfsSetUidGid(struct inode *parent,

  ^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:685:27: error: incompatible type
for argument 4 of 'HgfsSetUidGid'

   current_fsuid(), current_fsgid());

   ^

In file included from /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:46:0:

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.h:92:6: note: expected 'gid_t' but
argument is of type 'kgid_t'

void HgfsSetUidGid(struct inode *parent,

  ^

make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.o] Error 1

make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs

  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.o

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c: In function
'HgfsInitSuperInfo':

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c:234:15: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'uid_t' from type 'kuid_t'

   si-uid = current_uid();

   ^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c:240:15: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'gid_t' from type 'kgid_t'

   si-gid = current_gid();

   ^

make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.o] Error 1

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c: In function
'HgfsChangeFileAttributes':

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:680:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uid_t'

   inode-i_uid = si-uid;

^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:682:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uint32'

   inode-i_uid = attr-userId;

^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:685:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'gid_t'

   inode-i_gid = si-gid;

^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:687:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'uint32'

   inode-i_gid = attr-groupId;

^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c: In function 'HgfsSetUidGid':

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:1663:21: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uid_t'

setUidGid.ia_uid = uid;

 ^

/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:1671:24: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'gid_t'

   setUidGid.ia_gid = gid;

^

make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.o] Error 1

make[3]: *** [_module_/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only] Error 2

make[2]: *** [sub-make] Error 2

make[1]: *** [all] Error 2

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64'

make: *** [vmhgfs.ko] Error 2

make: Leaving directory `/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only'

 

I have no idea as to what te problem might be.  Any assistance will be much
appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

Script started on Fri Apr  4 15:31:30 2014
]0;computation@inga: 
~/Downloads/vmware-tools-distribcomputation@inga:~/Downloads/vmware-tools-distrib$
 sudo ./vmware-install.pl
[sudo] password for computation: 
Creating a new VMware Tools installer database using the tar4 format.

Installing VMware Tools.

In which directory do you want to install the binary files? 
[/usr/bin] 

What is the directory that contains the init directories (rc0.d/ to rc6.d/)? 
[/etc] 

What is the directory that contains the init scripts? 
[/etc/init.d] 

In which directory do you want to install the daemon

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