Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Felix Miata]

Brian composed on 2016-10-31 22:27 (UTC):


On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 17:58:18 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:



Brian composed on 2016-10-31 19:11 (UTC):



With POP3 you could find mailfilter useful.



Issue here is about wasted bandwidth, something local filtering cannot
handle AFAICT. Bugs usually have links to attachments that can be clicked on



You didn't say how you got mail. I thought the "POP3" would prompt you
to say.


Sorry for expecting the reader to infer from my response the POP3 connection 
used here.



But we are still in the dark. And it does not appear you have
investigated what mailfilter can do if your bandwidth is contrained


Another mistake. I supposed you meant mail filter rather than an app named 
[M]ailfilter. Now that I'm apprised of mailfilter I will need to investigate, 
once I've encountered of an available round tuit. It sounds like something 
overdue for many moons.



when seeing them by list mail recipient is wished. Why they need to go out
to all subscribers and populate mailing list archives I don't grok. I'd
think at least by option subscribers could choose not having bug attachments
attached to each list mail.



Debian conducts its business through mailing lists and bug reports can
be a crucial part of it.


Understood.


If you are particularly interested in a list
you take the rough with the smooth.


Old news. I've been a regular to lots of mailing lists for upwards of 18 
years, using Netscape 2 and its lineage the entire time, other than an 
occasional brief daliance troubleshooting via web mail.



...unsubscribe.


Done.
--
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: [testing] gvim ne s'affiche plus correctement !!!

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Le Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:56:17 +0100
Gaëtan PERRIER  a écrit:

> Bonjour,
> 
> Je viens de constater que, sur testing, gvim ne s'affiche plus correctement
> (voir pj). L'affiche est correct pendant que l'on redimensionne la fenêtre
> avec la souris mais dès que je lâche le bouton, plus rien ... :(
> Est-ce pareil sur vos testing ?
> 
> Gaëtan

Quand je lance gvim depuis un terminal j'ai ça comme erreurs:

(gvim:11565): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion 'width
>= -1' failed *** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug


(gvim:11565): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion 'width
>= -1' failed *** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug


(gvim:11565): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion 'width
>= -1' failed *** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug


(gvim:11565): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion 'width
>= -1' failed *** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug


Mais ni vim ni libpixman n'ont été mise à jour récemment. Donc je suppose que
ça vient d'ailleurs ?

Gaëtan

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 31 October 2016 20:34:32 Brian wrote:
> I _do_
>
> > get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.
>
> You final sentence is what interests me.
>
> What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?
>
> Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.

Portrait is the default.  If I do not ask it to turn a landscape image round, 
a high percentage of it will be outside the printing area and I would have 
tramlines at the top and bottom of the page.

Put a landscape image over the top of a portrait oriented sheet of paper and 
you'll see what I mean.

Lisi

Nettoyage du spam : octobre 2016

[jean-pierre giraud]

Bonjour,
Comme nous sommes en novembre, il est désormais possible de
traiter les archives du mois d'octobre 2016 des listes francophones.

N'oubliez bien sûr pas d'ajouter votre nom à la liste des relecteurs
pour que nous sachions où nous en sommes.

Détails du processus de nettoyage du spam sur :

https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/FrenchSpamClean

Re: new pc and swap

[Mark Fletcher]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 07:53:31PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 31/10/2016 à 14:54, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
> >
> >Of course, it's possible.  But if you setup a system from scratch I'd
> >highly recommend you put "everything" into an LVM volume group so you
> >can then use an LVM volume for swap rather than a file (but with the
> >same advantages as using a file: it's easy to resize/create on-demand
> >at run-time).
> 
> I second that suggestion.
> (am I an LVM fanboy ? Hmm, maybe)
> 
> >PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
> >to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
> >nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
> >partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.
> 
> GRUB 2 can read LVM, so it can boot a system with /boot in LVM. I have used
> this kind of setup. The advantage is that you don't need a separate
> partition for /boot and that it provides all the benefits of LVM to /boot. I
> don't know about LILO nor any other bootloader.
> 
> However, if the LVM structure gets corrupted and GRUB cannot read it, then
> the boot process will fail before the boot menu. If /boot is on a separate
> partition which can be read, then the boot will fail only after loading and
> running the kernel and the initramfs. So the initramfs debug shell is still
> available to investigate and try to repair the issue without requiring to
> boot another system.
> 
> Also, with BIOS/legacy boot, putting /boot in LVM requires that GRUB's core
> image (boot sector) is installed in the disk boot sector (aka MBR, not in a
> partition boot sector) and GRUB's core image is installed in the "embedded
> area" on a DOS-style disk or in a dedicated "BIOS boot"/bios_grub partition
> on a GPT-style disk (not as a regular file in /boot/grub).
> 
 This subthread (this mail and all the ones that led to it) have been 
most enlightening. Please ignore my previous mail asking for 
clarification -- should have read this subthread before replying.

Mark

Re: new pc and swap

[Mark Fletcher]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 09:54:19AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
> to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
> nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
> partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.
> 

Sorry, stupid question alert. Are you saying you use LVM on a single 
partition? What's the benefit of that?

Mark

Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 17:58:18 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Brian composed on 2016-10-31 19:11 (UTC):
> 
> >With POP3 you could find mailfilter useful.
> 
> Issue here is about wasted bandwidth, something local filtering cannot
> handle AFAICT. Bugs usually have links to attachments that can be clicked on

You didn't say how you got mail. I thought the "POP3" would prompt you
to say. But we are still in the dark. And it does not appear you have
investigated what mailfilter can do if your bandwidth is contrained

> when seeing them by list mail recipient is wished. Why they need to go out
> to all subscribers and populate mailing list archives I don't grok. I'd
> think at least by option subscribers could choose not having bug attachments
> attached to each list mail.

Debian conducts its business through mailing lists and bug reports can
be a crucial part of it. If you are particularly interested in a list
you take the rough with the smooth. Use the "d" key. Otherwise, you
unsubscribe.

-- 
Brian.

General protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP

[Daniel Guillermo Bareiro]

Hi all!

A few minutes ago I just experienced a horrible crash on one of my
computers with Debian Jessie:

---
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.832919] general protection fault:  
[#1] SMP
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.832946] Modules linked in: vhost_net vhost 
macvtap macvlan tun binfmt_misc nfsd auth_rpcgss oid_registry nfs_acl nfs lockd 
fscache sunrpc bridge stp llc snd_hda_codec_analog snd_hda_codec_generic arc4 
rtl8187 nouveau kvm_amd ppdev eeprom_93cx6 kvm mac80211 pcspkr cfg80211 
snd_hda_intel serio_raw mxm_wmi wmi video ttm snd_hda_controller edac_mce_amd 
edac_core drm_kms_helper rfkill snd_hda_codec k8temp drm joydev nv_tco 
i2c_algo_bit evdev snd_hwdep snd_pcm shpchp parport_pc snd_timer i2c_nforce2 
snd parport soundcore processor asus_atk0110 button adt7475 hwmon_vid i2c_core 
firewire_sbp2 loop autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 dm_mod raid456 
async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor async_tx xor raid6_pq raid1 
md_mod sr_mod cdrom hid_generic usbhid hid sg sd_mod crc_t10dif 
crct10dif_generic crct10dif_common psmouse ohci_pci sata_sil24 forcedeth 
firewire_ohci firewire_core ata_generic crc_itu_t floppy ohci_hcd ehci_pci 
ehci_hcd pata_amd sata_nv 8139too 8139cp mii libata fan scsi_mod thermal 
thermal_sys usbcore usb_common
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833197] CPU: 1 PID: 22 Comm: khugepaged 
Not tainted 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833209] Hardware name: System manufacturer 
System Product Name/M2N32-SLI DELUXE, BIOS ASUS M2N32-SLI DELUXE ACPI BIOS 
Revision 2205 03/02/2009
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833223] task: 8801b8b38b60 ti: 
8801b8b44000 task.ti: 8801b8b44000
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833234] RIP: 0010:[]  
[] down_read+0x11/0x20
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833248] RSP: 0018:8801b8b478e0  
EFLAGS: 00010246
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833256] RAX: 3553423839545239 RBX: 
3553423839545239 RCX: 
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833264] RDX: 0001 RSI: 
 RDI: 3553423839545239
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833273] RBP: 8801b8b47950 R08: 
8800ba69c200 R09: 
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833281] R10: 8800ba69c000 R11: 
0001 R12: 
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833289] R13:  R14: 
8801 R15: 0001
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833299] FS:  7f92ef5f5700() 
GS:8801bfc8() knlGS:
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833308] CS:  0010 DS:  ES:  CR0: 
8005003b
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833315] CR2: 7f51b75d4000 CR3: 
01813000 CR4: 07e0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833324] Stack:
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833328]  88005c5e8b80 8118ec20 
ea0001ce4088 880199f9f538
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833341]  ea0001ce4088 8801b8b479e0 
0001 
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833354]  ea0001ce40a8 ea0001ce4088 
811773ef 00010001
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833366] Call Trace:
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833375]  [] ? 
rmap_walk_ksm+0x80/0x180
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833385]  [] ? 
page_referenced+0x9f/0x110
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833394]  [] ? 
__page_check_address+0x1c0/0x1c0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833403]  [] ? 
page_get_anon_vma+0x70/0x70
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833414]  [] ? 
shrink_active_list+0x1dd/0x380
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833423]  [] ? 
shrink_lruvec+0x619/0x6a0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833432]  [] ? 
try_to_wake_up+0x1cb/0x2f0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833441]  [] ? 
try_to_wake_up+0x1cb/0x2f0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833450]  [] ? 
shrink_zone+0x74/0x1b0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833459]  [] ? 
do_try_to_free_pages+0x12d/0x520
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833469]  [] ? 
try_to_free_pages+0xc5/0x190
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833478]  [] ? 
__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x726/0xb50
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833488]  [] ? 
khugepaged+0x59f/0x11d0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833497]  [] ? 
prepare_to_wait_event+0xf0/0xf0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833507]  [] ? 
maybe_pmd_mkwrite+0x20/0x20
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833516]  [] ? 
kthread+0xbd/0xe0
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833524]  [] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x180/0x180
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833534]  [] ? 
ret_from_fork+0x58/0x90
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833543]  [] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x180/0x180
Oct 31 17:17:32 ss01 kernel: [694807.833550] Code: de 48 89 07 66 b8 00 02 c6 
47 18 01 48 89 47 08 48 8b 7f 10 e9 e1 13 b8 ff 90 66 66 66 66 90 53 48 89 fb 

Re: No ffmpeg?, howto convert/extract audio from webmd ,write to ogg?

[tomas]

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:35:49PM -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> There seems to be no plain ffmpeg in the jessie repos.

That's right. Ffmpeg in jessie is spelt "avconv" [1], which is a fork
of ffmpeg (more or less compatible). Reportedly, there's a genuine ffpmeg
in jessie-backports. It's a somewhat complicated story (the fork
itself and the decision on which one to package by default for
Debian, which went back and forth [2]).

Ffmpeg came back in later distros (sid).

> Perhaps I should just grab the upstream pkg ,directly and
> compile/install however necessary?
> 
> I have a .webmd file from which I'd like to extract audio and write
> it to an .ogg or .flac file, but I'm a little lost without my old
> friend .ffmpeg
> 
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
> I did the requisite googling, and all I find for what I want to do
> are instructions for how to do it in Ubuntu with ffmpeg.

Quite probably avconv will do. If not, I'd try the jessie-backports
ffmpeg before resorting to self-compiling.

regards
[1] package libav-tools, if I remember correctly
[2] https://lwn.net/Articles/650816/

- -- tomás
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Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Felix Miata]

Brian composed on 2016-10-31 19:11 (UTC):


With POP3 you could find mailfilter useful.


Issue here is about wasted bandwidth, something local filtering cannot handle 
AFAICT. Bugs usually have links to attachments that can be clicked on when 
seeing them by list mail recipient is wished. Why they need to go out to all 
subscribers and populate mailing list archives I don't grok. I'd think at 
least by option subscribers could choose not having bug attachments attached 
to each list mail.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/31/2016 1:30 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

I added subscriptions to these debian mailing lists in recent weeks:
debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-testing-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-multimedia-requ...@lists.debian.org

Now I'm getting lots of bug mail with large attachments, so I
want to unsubscribe from only whichever list is causing this bug
mail. NAICT the unwanted mails only report from
ow...@bugs.debian.org. If there's anything in the complete
message headers to have triggered their being sent to me, I'm not
seeing it. Can anyone tell what I should be looking for or where
to go to get these stopped please?


I've recently dealt with a similar problem.
I subscribe to multiple "bug" related lists.
I began receiving what I considered irrelevant/uninteresting but 
otherwise *legitimate* emails that came from a specific address.

I just set up a filter to place in a frequently emptied folder.
YMMV

Re: No ffmpeg?, howto convert/extract audio from webmd ,write to ogg?

[sp113438]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:35:49 -0400
Tony Baldwin  wrote:

> There seems to be no plain ffmpeg in the jessie repos.
> 
>

I do have ffmpeg, perhaps from jessie backports.

No ffmpeg?, howto convert/extract audio from webmd ,write to ogg?

[Tony Baldwin]

There seems to be no plain ffmpeg in the jessie repos.

Terminal output quote

$ aptitude search ffmpeg
p   cmus-plugin-ffmpeg 
  - lightweight ncurses audio player (FFmpeg plugin) 

p   ffmpeg2theora 
  - Theora video encoder using ffmpeg 

p   ffmpegthumbnailer 
  - fast and lightweight video thumbnailer 

p   ffmpegthumbnailer-dbg 
  - debugging informations for ffmpegthumbnailer 

p   ffmpegthumbs 
  - video thumbnail generator using ffmpeg 

p   gmerlin-encoders-ffmpeg 
  - ffmpeg encoders for Gmerlin 

p   libffmpegthumbnailer-dev 
  - development files for ffmpegthumbnailer 

p   libffmpegthumbnailer4 
  - shared library for ffmpegthumbnailer 

p   libtaoframework-ffmpeg-cil-dev 
  - Tao CLI binding for FFmpeg - development files 

p   libtaoframework-ffmpeg0.4-cil 
  - Tao CLI binding for FFmpeg 

p   libxine2-ffmpeg 
  - MPEG-related plugins for libxine2





Perhaps I should just grab the upstream pkg ,directly and 
compile/install however necessary?


I have a .webmd file from which I'd like to extract audio and write it 
to an .ogg or .flac file, but I'm a little lost without my old friend 
.ffmpeg


Any suggestions will be appreciated.
I did the requisite googling, and all I find for what I want to do are 
instructions for how to do it in Ubuntu with ffmpeg.



--
http://tonybaldwin.me
all tony, all the time

Re: new pc and swap

[John L. Ries]

On Monday 2016-10-31 12:27, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Whither goest LVM?

I normally put it on a primary partition as if I'm using it, I've never
needed more than four partitions.  But I know of no reason why it can't
go on a logical partition.

--|
John L. Ries  |
Salford Systems   |
Phone: (619)543-8880 x107 |
or (435)867-8885  |
--|


On Monday 2016-10-31 12:27, Richard Owlett wrote:

>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:27:22
>From: Richard Owlett 
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: new pc and swap
>Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 18:27:47 +
>Resent-From: 
>
> On 10/31/2016 8:54 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I once read that it was possible to swap to a named file, rather
> than a swap partition.  Is that possible with Jessie?
>>
>> Of course, it's possible.  But if you setup a system from scratch I'd
>> highly recommend you put "everything" into an LVM volume group so you
>> can then use an LVM volume for swap rather than a file (but with the
>> same advantages as using a file: it's easy to resize/create on-demand
>> at run-time).
>>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>> PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
>> to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
>> nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
>> partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.
>>
>>
>
> HUH! U lost me ;/
> To paraphrase Julius Caesar:
> omnia disci en tres partes est:
>  primary
>  extended
>  logical
>
> Whither goest LVM?
>
> I'm so lost as to not be able to ask an answerable question.
> Help please ;/
> TIA
>
> P.S. a wise person admits his ignorance.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Disarmed] NFS debian 8

[Omar Pacheco]

En el servidor:
aptitude install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common portmap

En el cliente:
aptitude install nfs-common portmap

Espero te funcione.


El día 31 de octubre de 2016, 9:46, Alberto Cabrejas Pérez
 escribió:
> Saludos si alguien pudiera explicarme, tengo un server nfs en debian8,
> cliente debian8 (otro server), a la hora de montarlo me devuelve este error:
>
> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting
>
> he probado con:
>
> mount.nfs4 172.28.1.8:/home/Storage/FTP/Android/ /var/storage/FTP/
>
> mount.nfs 172.28.1.8:/home/Storage/FTP/Android/ /var/storage/FTP/
>
> -en el server nfs tengo instalado nfs-kernel-server y en /et/export tengo
> /home/Storage/Salvas
> 172.28.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
>
> -en el cliente (otro server) tengo instalado nfs-client.
>
> root@ftp:/# showmount -e 172.28.1.8
> Export list for 172.28.1.8:
> /home/Storage/FTP/Android 172.28.1.0/24
> /home/Storage/Salvas  172.28.1.0/24
>
> PD: desde una estacion fedora 24 lo monta bien, solo me sucede con debian8
> modo grafico, pienso q puede faltarle algun pakete o algo
>
> HELP...
>
> --
>
> Saludos, Alberto Cabrejas Pérez
> Administrador de Redes Informáticas
> ARTex S.A. Sucursal Granma
> http://www.artexsa.com
> http://www.scgra.artex.sa
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> Jabber: albe...@scgr.artex.cu
> "BE FREE BE LINUX!!!"



-- 
Saludos,

Omar Daniel Pacheco Díaz.

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 14:33:19 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 31 October 2016 12:59:06 maderios wrote:
> >
> > It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> > postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> > evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> > choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> > 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.
> 
> Thank you.  I'll start watching.  The "trouble" is that computers are 
> sometimes intelligent little beasties, and I very rarely want to print 
> anything that isn't A4 in the first place - so when I am not always offered 
> the chance to adjust the size it may be because it isn't necessary!  I _do_ 
> get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.

You final sentence is what interests me.

What would expect to happen if you chose "portrait" over "landscape"?

Bear in mind most printers feed paper in short-edge first.

-- 
Brian. 

Re: outils pour taupe vision

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Bonsoir,

Merci Eric de ce retour très stimulant. Si Debian a su remplacer des
outils pour malvoyants profonds, c'est que tout est possible. C'est
super encourageant pour moi qui dois lutter face à des sceptiques
permanents ne jurant que Mac et Windows.

Je pense qu'avec Compiz, Debian pourra aller encore plus loin, même s'il
ne fonctionnera pas avec Gnome qui a volontairement cassé la
compatibilité avec Compiz. Sauf si Canonical arrive à réparer, ce qui
n'est pas exclu.

Cordialement,


Le 31/10/2016 à 19:14, Eric Meyer a écrit :
> Bonjour la Liste,
> 
> un petit retour utilisateur...
> 
> En tant qu'amblyope profond (1/20e à un oeil, 0 à l'autre), j'étais un 
> windowsien exclusif avec l'outil ZoomText mgnifier/reader ; début 2016, j'ai 
> commencé à m'intéresser au monde linux, et j'ai notamment beaucoup exploré 
> les diverses distributions sous l'angle basse vision. comme je débutais, je 
> me suis limité aux versions stables de Debian et aux déclinaisons d'Ubuntu, 
> même si je n'ignore pas que, du coup, j'ai introduit un biais en faveur 
> d'Ubuntu, car je disposais des versions plus fraîches des outils.
> 
> Mon choix s'est porté sur l'accès universel de Gnome3 sous Debian, sous 
> lequel j'ai porté la plupart de mes habitudes de travail avec les outils 
> fournis par Debian (je ne me suis pas enfermé dans la volonté de disposer des 
> mêmes outils que ceux de l'autre monde...), pour ma plus grande satisfaction. 
> J'ai d'ailleurs fait la connaissance d'outils très intéressants comme "scid 
> vs pc" pour les amateurs d'échecs...
> 
> Pour XFCE4, Xubuntu ne manquait pas d'attraits, et j'imagine que XFCE tel 
> qu'il sera embarqué dans la version stable de Stretch sera tout à fait de 
> nature à retenir votre attention.
> 
> La distribution HypraLinux citée par Jean-Philippe Mengual est aussi tout à 
> fait opérationnelle, avec cette particularité qu'elle embarque la voix 
> Mbrola. D'ailleurs, je n'ai pas encore traité le côté voix de mon problème, 
> mais on ne peut pas tout faire en même temps...
> 
> En tous cas, très satisfait de voir que les outils sous Linux n'ont 
> certainement pas à rougir face à d'autres.
> 
> En espérant avoir été utile
> 
> Eric Meyer
> Le Thursday 27 Oct 2016 à 19:46:05 (+0200), Ph. Gras a écrit :
>> Bonsoir,
>>
>> … et un peu en avance sur la date :
>>
>>> Les outils pour améliorer la vue sont surtout disponibles aujourd'hui sur 
>>> GNOME3. Ils intègrent les loupes et autres aménagements possibles de thèmes 
>>> visuels. MATE permet aussi de grossir et de modifier la taille de police de 
>>> caractère et de jouer avec les couleurs. Sa flexibilité en fait sans doute 
>>> l'outil qui vous correspondra le mieux, d'autant qu'il reste moins lourd 
>>> que GNOME et plus complet que xfce de ce point de vue, sans inclure des 
>>> technologies de basse vision avancées. Pour des besoins plus importants, 
>>> nous fournissons à nos utilisateurs Compiz, disponibles sur les dépôts 
>>> Hypra, paquet dans mate-accessibility. Par contre on se base sur MATE.
>>
>> Les loupes pour gnomes, c'est quand ils sont vraiment de taille 
>> microscopique !
>>
>> Ph. Gras
> 

-- 

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL

HYPRA, progressons ensemble

Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61
Mail: cont...@hypra.fr

Site Web: http://hypra.fr

Re: new pc and swap

[tomas]

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 01:27:22PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> omnia disci en tres partes est:
>   primary
>   extended
>   logical
> 
> Whither goest LVM?

Either ou go with Pascal's advice and use GPT, or, if you feel more
comfortable, you go with the traditional DOS partitioning you sketched
above. Then, you need two "traditional" partitions:

 - one (small) primary for boot
 - another (the rest) either primary, or a logical within the extended
   (doesn't matter that much which; my Debian installer chose the second
   variant, I let it do its thing), which is then the "physical volume"
   for LVM, which does its own partition scheme within that.

In my case, the partition looks like:

  tomas@rasputin:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
  [sudo] password for tomas: 
  
  Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
  Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x000d2482
  
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   *2048 2099199 1048576   83  Linux
  /dev/sda2 2099200  1953525167   9757129845  Extended
  /dev/sda5 2101248  1953525167   975711960   83  Linux

Note that /dev/sda2 isn't a real partition, but the extended, containing
the "real meat" /dev/sda5. This one is an encrypted Luks partition (in
my case), which then is subdivided by LVM into /, /usr, /var, /home.

What does that buy you? Well, you can, with enough care, resize your
partitions within LVM after the fact [1] (you can even add a second
hard disk and allot some or all of its space to one of the existing
volumes).

For me, the nicest part is that I can have all my separate partitions
encrypted in one fell swoop.

> P.S. a wise person admits his ignorance.

;-)

regards

[1] You have to take care of the file systems: before modifying the
  partition when shrinking, after when growing. Growing is typically
  painless and low risk and can be achieved on-line (i.e. while the
  file system is mounted), shrinking can typically only be done
  off-line (for ext4 this is so).

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Re: new pc and swap

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 31/10/2016 à 19:45, Greg Wooledge a écrit :

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 01:27:22PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

  primary
  extended
  logical

Whither goest LVM?


1) Use GPT partitioning and get rid of this obsolete distinction between 
primary, extended and logical partition.


2) LVM can use any type of block device as a "container" (physical 
volume, or PV) : partitions, RAID arrays, encrypted volumes...



Under LVM, you create two (or more, but usually two) *real* partitions:
say, sda1 and sda1.


That looks like the same one partition.


 The first partition (sda1) is just formatted using
a straight file system, used for /boot.


As discussed in other messages in this thread, a separate partition with 
a plain filesystem for /boot is not always required.



 The other partition (sda2)
is not given a file system; instead, it is turned into a Volume Group
(VG)


No, a Physical Volume (PV). Then you create a VG on top of one or 
several PV.



Typically you perform your LVM installation by setting up the file systems
and swap partitions (created on LVs) using minimum sizes, and leave most
of the VG unused.


I would not be as extreme as you, and just advise to leave enough free 
space in the VG for future LV growth or creation. Some filesystems such 
as the ext family come with a fixed number of "inodes" (each file or 
directory consumes one inode) which depends on the initial size by 
default, and cannot be increased even when the filesystem size is 
extended. So a filesystem with minimal size may have too few inodes for 
its lifetime.


Unfortunately, the Debian installer does exactly the opposite in 
assisted mode : beside assigning insane sizes to the logical volumes, it 
allocates all the available space in the VG, making it harder to resize 
logical volumes later.

Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 15:02:43 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Sven Joachim composed on 2016-10-31 19:41 (UTC+0100):
> 
> >On 2016-10-31 14:30 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >>I added subscriptions to these debian mailing lists in recent weeks:
> >>debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
> >>debian-testing-requ...@lists.debian.org
> >>debian-multimedia-requ...@lists.debian.org
> 
> >>Now I'm getting lots of bug mail with large attachments, so I want to
> >>unsubscribe from only whichever list is causing this bug mail. NAICT
> >>the unwanted mails only report from ow...@bugs.debian.org. If there's
> >>anything in the complete message headers to have triggered their being
> >>sent to me, I'm not seeing it.
> 
> >They are sent to the lists because those are the "Maintainers" of
> >packages and thus receive mail from the Debian BTS.
> 
> >>Can anyone tell what I should be
> >>looking for or where to go to get these stopped please?
> 
> >The easiest way is to unsubscribe at least from debian-boot since this
> >list receives a lot of bug mails as you can see for yourself[1].
> 
> Lots of mails doesn't bother me. It's the sizes that do, 40k, 60k, 90k seem
> to be routine. It seems they are noticeably slowing down my email program's
> handling of its mbox files.

90k is nothing. 1M wouldn't be unusual in debian-systemd.

Sven Joachim has given the reason why you you get the mails. If you do
not want them you will have to look to your own resources. With POP3 you
could find mailfilter useful.

-- 
Brian.

Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Felix Miata]

Sven Joachim composed on 2016-10-31 19:41 (UTC+0100):


On 2016-10-31 14:30 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:



I added subscriptions to these debian mailing lists in recent weeks:
debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-testing-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-multimedia-requ...@lists.debian.org



Now I'm getting lots of bug mail with large attachments, so I want to
unsubscribe from only whichever list is causing this bug mail. NAICT
the unwanted mails only report from ow...@bugs.debian.org. If there's
anything in the complete message headers to have triggered their being
sent to me, I'm not seeing it.



They are sent to the lists because those are the "Maintainers" of
packages and thus receive mail from the Debian BTS.



Can anyone tell what I should be
looking for or where to go to get these stopped please?



The easiest way is to unsubscribe at least from debian-boot since this
list receives a lot of bug mails as you can see for yourself[1].


Lots of mails doesn't bother me. It's the sizes that do, 40k, 60k, 90k seem 
to be routine. It seems they are noticeably slowing down my email program's 
handling of its mbox files.



1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2016/10/

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Re: new pc and swap

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 31/10/2016 à 14:54, Stefan Monnier a écrit :


Of course, it's possible.  But if you setup a system from scratch I'd
highly recommend you put "everything" into an LVM volume group so you
can then use an LVM volume for swap rather than a file (but with the
same advantages as using a file: it's easy to resize/create on-demand
at run-time).


I second that suggestion.
(am I an LVM fanboy ? Hmm, maybe)


PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.


GRUB 2 can read LVM, so it can boot a system with /boot in LVM. I have 
used this kind of setup. The advantage is that you don't need a separate 
partition for /boot and that it provides all the benefits of LVM to 
/boot. I don't know about LILO nor any other bootloader.


However, if the LVM structure gets corrupted and GRUB cannot read it, 
then the boot process will fail before the boot menu. If /boot is on a 
separate partition which can be read, then the boot will fail only after 
loading and running the kernel and the initramfs. So the initramfs debug 
shell is still available to investigate and try to repair the issue 
without requiring to boot another system.


Also, with BIOS/legacy boot, putting /boot in LVM requires that GRUB's 
core image (boot sector) is installed in the disk boot sector (aka MBR, 
not in a partition boot sector) and GRUB's core image is installed in 
the "embedded area" on a DOS-style disk or in a dedicated "BIOS 
boot"/bios_grub partition on a GPT-style disk (not as a regular file in 
/boot/grub).

Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 15:44:37 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and
> > put into 'contrib'.
> 
> The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and
> ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free
> bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless
> without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in
> isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a
> hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package
> which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip
> package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality
> offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits.

This is the crux of the matter. The *sole* reason for the existence of
43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and ttf-mscorefonts-installer is to
download non-free blobs/software. That is why they are in contrib.

HPLIP does not exist for the *sole* purpose of downloading non-free
items. hp-plugin is a convenience script for users. We would be doing
them and Debian a great disservice by removing it from the package.

In case you think we have not been here before there is #449497. In that
case the Release Team and the Technical Committee came down on the side
of the maintainer. Anyone who wants to chance their arm with this today
has precedent to overcome.

> On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python
> dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that
> script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if
> necessary filing, a wishlist bug.

The script is not the sole reason for the Python dependencies.

> There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in
> terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional
> complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that
> would result.

That is another good reason. hp-plugin is free. HPLIP is free; no
non-free stuff is included in it. What a users do is up to them.

-- 
Brian.

Re: new pc and swap

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 01:27:22PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> To paraphrase Julius Caesar:
> omnia disci en tres partes est:
>   primary
>   extended
>   logical
> 
> Whither goest LVM?

LVM is a more flexible alternative to using a set of fixed-sized
partitions.

Under LVM, you create two (or more, but usually two) *real* partitions:
say, sda1 and sda1.  The first partition (sda1) is just formatted using
a straight file system, used for /boot.  The other partition (sda2)
is not given a file system; instead, it is turned into a Volume Group
(VG), which is sort of like a virtual disk.

Within the VG you have a whole bunch of "slices" or "physical extents"
(PE), each one being some fixed size like 4 MB or 16 MB.  The whole VG
therefore contains however many thousand PE make up the physical space.

When you want to actually use the disk, you create a "logical volume" (LV)
out of however many PEs you need.  If you're creating a 1 GB file system
for a disk with 4 MB PEs, then your new LV would consist of 256 PEs.
These don't have to be contiguous.  Once the LV is created, it is usable
just like a partition.  You can format it with a file system, and mount
it, and put files on it.  Or format it for swap, or whatever.

Typically you perform your LVM installation by setting up the file systems
and swap partitions (created on LVs) using minimum sizes, and leave most
of the VG unused.

Later, if you realize you need to increase the size of /usr by 8 GB,
you just increase the size of its LV (assigning some more PEs to it,
even if they're not contiguous to the original set), and then increase
the size of the file system to match.  With most unix-like file systems,
this doesn't require any down time (unmounting) at all.

Re: terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2016-10-31 14:30 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> I added subscriptions to these debian mailing lists in recent weeks:
> debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
> debian-testing-requ...@lists.debian.org
> debian-multimedia-requ...@lists.debian.org
>
> Now I'm getting lots of bug mail with large attachments, so I want to
> unsubscribe from only whichever list is causing this bug mail. NAICT
> the unwanted mails only report from ow...@bugs.debian.org. If there's
> anything in the complete message headers to have triggered their being
> sent to me, I'm not seeing it.

They are sent to the lists because those are the "Maintainers" of
packages and thus receive mail from the Debian BTS.

> Can anyone tell what I should be
> looking for or where to go to get these stopped please?

The easiest way is to unsubscribe at least from debian-boot since this
list receives a lot of bug mails as you can see for yourself[1].

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2016/10/

terminate unwanted bug mail how?

[Felix Miata]

I added subscriptions to these debian mailing lists in recent weeks:
debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-testing-requ...@lists.debian.org
debian-multimedia-requ...@lists.debian.org

Now I'm getting lots of bug mail with large attachments, so I want to 
unsubscribe from only whichever list is causing this bug mail. NAICT the 
unwanted mails only report from ow...@bugs.debian.org. If there's anything in 
the complete message headers to have triggered their being sent to me, I'm 
not seeing it. Can anyone tell what I should be looking for or where to go to 
get these stopped please?

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: new pc and swap

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/31/2016 8:54 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

I once read that it was possible to swap to a named file, rather
than a swap partition.  Is that possible with Jessie?


Of course, it's possible.  But if you setup a system from scratch I'd
highly recommend you put "everything" into an LVM volume group so you
can then use an LVM volume for swap rather than a file (but with the
same advantages as using a file: it's easy to resize/create on-demand
at run-time).


 Stefan


PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
 to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
 nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
 partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.




HUH! U lost me ;/
To paraphrase Julius Caesar:
omnia disci en tres partes est:
  primary
  extended
  logical

Whither goest LVM?

I'm so lost as to not be able to ask an answerable question.
Help please ;/
TIA

P.S. a wise person admits his ignorance.

Re: outils pour taupe vision

[Eric Meyer]

Bonjour la Liste,

un petit retour utilisateur...

En tant qu'amblyope profond (1/20e à un oeil, 0 à l'autre), j'étais un 
windowsien exclusif avec l'outil ZoomText mgnifier/reader ; début 2016, j'ai 
commencé à m'intéresser au monde linux, et j'ai notamment beaucoup exploré les 
diverses distributions sous l'angle basse vision. comme je débutais, je me suis 
limité aux versions stables de Debian et aux déclinaisons d'Ubuntu, même si je 
n'ignore pas que, du coup, j'ai introduit un biais en faveur d'Ubuntu, car je 
disposais des versions plus fraîches des outils.

Mon choix s'est porté sur l'accès universel de Gnome3 sous Debian, sous lequel 
j'ai porté la plupart de mes habitudes de travail avec les outils fournis par 
Debian (je ne me suis pas enfermé dans la volonté de disposer des mêmes outils 
que ceux de l'autre monde...), pour ma plus grande satisfaction. J'ai 
d'ailleurs fait la connaissance d'outils très intéressants comme "scid vs pc" 
pour les amateurs d'échecs...

Pour XFCE4, Xubuntu ne manquait pas d'attraits, et j'imagine que XFCE tel qu'il 
sera embarqué dans la version stable de Stretch sera tout à fait de nature à 
retenir votre attention.

La distribution HypraLinux citée par Jean-Philippe Mengual est aussi tout à 
fait opérationnelle, avec cette particularité qu'elle embarque la voix Mbrola. 
D'ailleurs, je n'ai pas encore traité le côté voix de mon problème, mais on ne 
peut pas tout faire en même temps...

En tous cas, très satisfait de voir que les outils sous Linux n'ont 
certainement pas à rougir face à d'autres.

En espérant avoir été utile

Eric Meyer
Le Thursday 27 Oct 2016 à 19:46:05 (+0200), Ph. Gras a écrit :
> Bonsoir,
> 
> … et un peu en avance sur la date :
> 
> > Les outils pour améliorer la vue sont surtout disponibles aujourd'hui sur 
> > GNOME3. Ils intègrent les loupes et autres aménagements possibles de thèmes 
> > visuels. MATE permet aussi de grossir et de modifier la taille de police de 
> > caractère et de jouer avec les couleurs. Sa flexibilité en fait sans doute 
> > l'outil qui vous correspondra le mieux, d'autant qu'il reste moins lourd 
> > que GNOME et plus complet que xfce de ce point de vue, sans inclure des 
> > technologies de basse vision avancées. Pour des besoins plus importants, 
> > nous fournissons à nos utilisateurs Compiz, disponibles sur les dépôts 
> > Hypra, paquet dans mate-accessibility. Par contre on se base sur MATE.
> 
> Les loupes pour gnomes, c'est quand ils sont vraiment de taille microscopique 
> !
> 
> Ph. Gras

-- 

Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and
> put into 'contrib'.

The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and
ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free
bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless
without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in
isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a
hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package
which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip
package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality
offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits.

On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python
dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that
script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if
necessary filing, a wishlist bug.

There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in
terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional
complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that
would result.

-- 
Jonathan Dowland
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Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 17:11:34 +0300, Reco wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 05:15:51PM +, Brian wrote:
> 
> > Pass on the rest because packaging is not something I know much about,
> > so I'm most likely to rely on the expertise of the maintainers. The
> > changelog might give you some clue as to what is going on.
> 
> You could save us both time by providing this magical 'rely on the
> expertise of the maintainers' advice from the beginning.

It is obvious you think there are many, many things wrong with the
packaging of HPLIP and we are not getting very far with a solution by
bouncing ideas off one another. If I felt as strongly about a package as
you do (and knew something about the subject) I would likely initiate
bug reports to attempt to improve the situation for all users.

I think I'm done here.

-- 
Brian.

[Disarmed] NFS debian 8

[Alberto Cabrejas Pérez]

Saludos si alguien pudiera explicarme, tengo un server nfs en debian8, 
cliente debian8 (otro server), a la hora de montarlo me devuelve este error:


mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting

he probado con:

mount.nfs4 172.28.1.8:/home/Storage/FTP/Android/ /var/storage/FTP/

mount.nfs 172.28.1.8:/home/Storage/FTP/Android/ /var/storage/FTP/

-en el server nfs tengo instalado nfs-kernel-server y en /et/export 
tengo /home/Storage/Salvas 
 172.28.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)


-en el cliente (otro server) tengo instalado nfs-client.

root@ftp:/# showmount -e 172.28.1.8
Export list for 172.28.1.8:
/home/Storage/FTP/Android 172.28.1.0/24
/home/Storage/Salvas  172.28.1.0/24

PD: desde una estacion fedora 24 lo monta bien, solo me sucede con 
debian8  modo grafico, pienso q puede faltarle algun pakete o algo


HELP...

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Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 31 October 2016 14:24:50 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 13:59:06 +0100, maderios wrote:
> > On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> > >>Hi, Lisi.
> > >>
> > >>On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not
> >  printer software.
> > You may change your cups/printer settings:
> > http://localhost:631/
> > >>>
> > >>>Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I
> > >>> remember and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but
> > >>> not one for fitting to printable area.
> > >>
> > >>Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> > >>
> > >>https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> > >>
> > >>(See "Scaling to Fit")
> > >
> > >Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it
> > > that way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are
> > > saying that it still does.
> > >
> > >Lisi
> >
> > It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> > postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> > evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> > choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> > 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.
>
> The nature of the printer does not matter. Scaling to Fit with the
> "fit-to-page" option is a CUPS feature. It is passed on to the pdftopdf
> filter of cups-filters and can be set with lpr or from those
> applications which send a file directly to CUPS *without* any previous
> manipulation of it.
>
> The 'fit to printable area' option in the print dialogs of GTK
> applications such as evince is handled by the GTK printing subsystem
> with Cairo. Cairo manipulates the file to achieve fitting the image to
> the printable area *before* it gets sent to CUPS.
>
> Okular does not manipulate a file in an evince-like way. It sends the
> CUPS "fit-to-page" option with every job, but, as observed, there is no
> "fit-to-page" option in its print dialog to switch it on and off. This
> is probably the subject of bug report somewhere.

Thanks for that, Brian.  It is nice to have an explanation.

Lisi

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 31 October 2016 12:59:06 maderios wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> >> Hi, Lisi.
> >>
> >> On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>  "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
>  software.
>  You may change your cups/printer settings:
>  http://localhost:631/
> >>>
> >>> Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I
> >>> remember and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not
> >>> one for fitting to printable area.
> >>
> >> Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> >>
> >> https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> >>
> >> (See "Scaling to Fit")
> >
> > Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it
> > that way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are
> > saying that it still does.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like
> evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then
> choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or
> 'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.

Thank you.  I'll start watching.  The "trouble" is that computers are 
sometimes intelligent little beasties, and I very rarely want to print 
anything that isn't A4 in the first place - so when I am not always offered 
the chance to adjust the size it may be because it isn't necessary!  I _do_ 
get offered the chance to switch landscape to portrait.

Lisi

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Brian]

On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 13:59:06 +0100, maderios wrote:

> On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> >>Hi, Lisi.
> >>
> >>On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> software.
> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> http://localhost:631/
> >>>
> >>>Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
> >>>and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
> >>>fitting to printable area.
> >>
> >>Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
> >>
> >>https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
> >>
> >>(See "Scaling to Fit")
> >
> >Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that
> >way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying
> >that it still does.
> >
> >Lisi
> >
> It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not
> postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like evince,
> firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then choose -> page
> handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or 'none...'. I think it
> is the same for non postscript.

The nature of the printer does not matter. Scaling to Fit with the
"fit-to-page" option is a CUPS feature. It is passed on to the pdftopdf
filter of cups-filters and can be set with lpr or from those
applications which send a file directly to CUPS *without* any previous
manipulation of it.

The 'fit to printable area' option in the print dialogs of GTK
applications such as evince is handled by the GTK printing subsystem
with Cairo. Cairo manipulates the file to achieve fitting the image to
the printable area *before* it gets sent to CUPS.

Okular does not manipulate a file in an evince-like way. It sends the
CUPS "fit-to-page" option with every job, but, as observed, there is no
"fit-to-page" option in its print dialog to switch it on and off. This
is probably the subject of bug report somewhere.

-- 
Brian.

Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 05:15:51PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 30 Oct 2016 at 18:24:50 +0300, Reco wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:20:44 +
> > Brian  wrote:
> > > 
> > > printer-driver-hpcups and printer-driver-hpijs would be sufficient for
> > > just printing. That is why the packages are provided.
> > 
> > 'Should be' does not equal 'actually working' in this case.
> 
> If you have a problem you should seek help by starting another thread.

It works the way I've described, so why should I seek any help?


> > You're missing the point. What's the reason to provide a GUI to a bunch
> > of CUPS filters in the first place? Why such GUI is needed for these
> > particular filters, but not CUPS itself?
> 
> People like GUIs; I believe system-config-printer and the CUPS web
> interface are popular for setting up printers. None of them are needed
> but they fulfill a need.

Please do not dodge the question. Why such GUI is needed for these
particular filters?


> > > The "bizarre reason" reason is probably that the .py and .pyc files are
> > > platform independent.
> > 
> > And the reason to put all those unrelated to actual printing files into
> > the package was?
> 
> HPLIP does a bit more than handle printing.

And the reason to force this 'a bit more than printing' on all users
was?


> > > See above.
> > 
> > Nope, does not cut it. A package does not provide anything written in
> > python by itself. Why does it depends on python then?
> 
> Pass.

Can you agree that it's a bit unusual?


> > > main's ok. No non-free blobs are packaged.
> > 
> > b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree or ttf-mscorefonts-installer (to name
> > a few) do not package blobs either, they *only* download and/or
> > process them. Yet all such things reside in 'contrib', not 'main'.
> 
> I'm not getting into a comparison with every package of this nature in
> contrib.

Was not my intention.


> hp-plugin is not central to the function of suported hardware
> and HPLIP will work without it.

Yet the only function of the script is to provide user non-DFSG
compliant files.


> The script is a convenience one for the
> user and is not run from the maintainer scripts.

Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and
put into 'contrib'.


> > > Possibly needed for installing a plugin.
> > 
> > A 'plugin' to what? Did you mean a 'non-free' blob maybe?
> 
> I was using HPs terminology.
> 
> > Does this 'plugin' gets installed every time someone prints?
> 
> No.

Yet another reason to split it into a different package, don't you
agree?


> > > > 4) avahi-daemon as Recommends. Apparently it's considered so important
> > > > that they recommend it again (CUPS has the same Recommend). Kind of
> > > > surprised not to see it as Depends.
> > > 
> > > CUPS was installed without its Recommends: because you do not want to
> > > discover Bonjour broadcasted print queues. Later, HPLIP was installed
> > > and you want to discover Bonjour broadcasted HP printers.
> > 
> > A weak argument as no other printer driver has this ridiculous
> > Recommends. One for the CUPS (where it serves its purpose indeed) is
> > enough.
> 
> It's actually a very sound argument. Not wanting any of cups recommended
> packages is a respectable decision.

... and suddenly, by installing hplip, the user finally comes to their
senses, sees the light and installs avahi-daemon like it was intended
from the beginning. You're describing an artificial scenario.


> > It would be a valid argument *if* one could install HPLIP without CUPS,
> > but currently 'hplip' depends on 'cups', so that's impossible.
> 
> True. But I think you do not understand what different purposes cups and
> HPLIP use avahi-daemon for. I didn't use "print queues" and "printers"
> as a matter of style.

Enlighten me, please. For what purpose HPLIP's backends use
avahi-daemon? Or maybe all those python scripts that are provided by
HPLIP?


> > > A Depends:
> > > would be unsuitable if you were only setting up a USB printer.
> > 
> > First, that logic did not stop them from forcing one to install a
> > PolicyKit, for instance.
> > Second, said USB printer can be shared over the network by CUPS, so
> > such dependency is actually justifiable.
> 
> Setting up a *non-shared* USB printer. Clearer? 

Did I mention in my reply that your example was unclear somehow? Why
these childish appempts to offend me?


> Pass on the rest because packaging is not something I know much about,
> so I'm most likely to rely on the expertise of the maintainers. The
> changelog might give you some clue as to what is going on.

You could save us both time by providing this magical 'rely on the
expertise of the maintainers' advice from the beginning.

Reco

Re: Licence de Virtualbox

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Le lundi 31 octobre 2016 à 12:40, Randy11 a écrit :
> Mon GPS utilise le port USB, dans la discussion Cyrille me donnait des
> pistes pour
> l'utiliser.
> 
> Pour info, Captvty ne tourne que sous Wine 32 bits, est-ce aussi utilisable
> avec un
> chroot ?

Un chroot ce n’est rien de plus qu’un dossier dans ton arborescence dans lequel
tu déploies un système.

Tu veux accéder à un périphériques depuis ton chroot ? Tu n’as qu’à faire en
sorte que le nœud de « /dev » soit présent également dans le « /dev » de ton
chroot.

Tu veux lancer un programme dans ton chroot ? Tu n’as qu’à l’installer comme tu
le ferais sur ton système.

Tu as besoin d’un programme 32 bits dans ton chroot alors que ton système est 64
bits ? Tu n’as qu’à « installer » un système 32 bits dans ton chroot.

> En référence sur chroot, il y a évidemment cela :
> https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Chroot,
> mais as-tu d'autres références à me donner avant que je ne parcours le Web ?

Oui !

Le truc galère avec les chroot, c’est que les dossiers « /dev », « /proc » et
« /sys » ne sont pas montés automatiquement. Tu dois le faire à la main (dans un
certain ordre) et le défaire à la main (dans l’ordre inverse).

L’outil qui m’a changé la vie dans la gestion des chroot s’appelle « schroot ».

Globalement :
— tu déploies ton système avec « debootstrap »,
— tu entres dans ton chroot avec « schroot »,
— tu sors de ton chroot avec « Ctrl-D ».

(il y aura peut-être un peu de bricolage à faire au niveau des variables
d’environnement pour te permettre d’afficher une fenêtre sur ton serveur X mais
ça fonctionne)

Sébastien

Re: new pc and swap

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> I once read that it was possible to swap to a named file, rather
>>> than a swap partition.  Is that possible with Jessie?

Of course, it's possible.  But if you setup a system from scratch I'd
highly recommend you put "everything" into an LVM volume group so you
can then use an LVM volume for swap rather than a file (but with the
same advantages as using a file: it's easy to resize/create on-demand
at run-time).


Stefan


PS: I put "everything" between quotes because I'm not sure I'd recommend
to also put /boot in an LVM volume.  IIUC it can be made to work
nowadays, but my systems still use a two-partition setup: one small
partition for /boot, and the rest for LVM.

Re: Problemas de seguridad en Squirrelmail

[Ariel Alvarez]

mano quien hace eso no es squirrel es postfix

El 31-10-16 9:36, l...@ida.cu escribió:

Buenos días a todos

Tengo funcionando un server de correo en debian con postfix y webmail
Squirrelmail.

Los usuarios del correo los tengo creados en el mismo sistema de Debian.

Problematica:

En el "opciones","información personal", donde dice "Dirección de correo
electrónico:" de identidades ahí llenamos con el correo electrónico que
uno desee.

Como consecuencia envía un correo con un nombre totalmente falso.

Claro para llegar a este uno ingresa usuario y contraseña correcto pero
luego podemos falsear el nombre completo del correo electrónico.

Mi pregunta es: Cuando uno le da "enviar" en el Squirrelmail no hay manera
de que este verifique el usuario autenticado con su correspondiente
dirección de correo electrónico ??, de no ser así ya tenemos
suplantación de identidad dentro de nuestro Servidor de correo..

Alguna manera de resolver esto, un plugin algo así ??

Agradezco toda ayuda


-
Consejo Nacional de Casas de Cultura
http://www.casasdecultura.cult.cu



-
Consejo Nacional de Casas de Cultura
http://www.casasdecultura.cult.cu

Problemas de seguridad en Squirrelmail

[luis]

Buenos días a todos

Tengo funcionando un server de correo en debian con postfix y webmail
Squirrelmail.

Los usuarios del correo los tengo creados en el mismo sistema de Debian.

Problematica:

En el "opciones","información personal", donde dice "Dirección de correo
electrónico:" de identidades ahí llenamos con el correo electrónico que
uno desee.

Como consecuencia envía un correo con un nombre totalmente falso.

Claro para llegar a este uno ingresa usuario y contraseña correcto pero
luego podemos falsear el nombre completo del correo electrónico.

Mi pregunta es: Cuando uno le da "enviar" en el Squirrelmail no hay manera
de que este verifique el usuario autenticado con su correspondiente
dirección de correo electrónico ??, de no ser así ya tenemos
suplantación de identidad dentro de nuestro Servidor de correo..

Alguna manera de resolver esto, un plugin algo así ??

Agradezco toda ayuda

Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 07:58:19PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices.

Yup. Happen to have one of those.


> If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required.

And if I do want to use an HP device for scanning I need libsane-hpaio,
SANE itself and a hueg pile of none-free blobs. First two are provided by
Debian, last one by openprinting.org.

What I do not need for scanning is hplip (as in - Debian package of that
name). Simply because there's nothing that does actual scanning in that
package.

I haven't try to use the thing as a fax (manual states it's possible),
so maybe I need 'hplip' for that. I have my doubts on this though.


> If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has
> to be provided.

Stock xsane or any other sane-based application or even GIMP should fill
the role. But I agree that there may be someone that actually uses all
this stuff in 'hplip' for scanning. Yet another reason to split it in a
different package.


> It is funny to read your arguments while you are sliding into the Ric's "I
> think it should" way.

Nobody's perfect (no offence meant to Ric), certainly not me.

Reco

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[maderios]

On 10/31/2016 01:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:

Hi, Lisi.

On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:

"fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
software.
You may change your cups/printer settings:
http://localhost:631/


Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
fitting to printable area.


Maybe it is a "lpr" option:

https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html

(See "Scaling to Fit")


Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that
way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying
that it still does.

Lisi

It depends on many paramaters, for example, postcript printer or not 
postscript. In my case, postscript printer, with applications like 
evince, firefox, etc..., printing  works same way with CTRL+P, then 
choose -> page handling -> 'fit to printable area' or 'shrink...' or 
'none...'. I think it is the same for non postscript.

--
Maderios

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 31 October 2016 11:57:45 Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> Hi, Lisi.
>
> On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> >> software.
> >> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> >> http://localhost:631/
> >
> > Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember
> > and have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for
> > fitting to printable area.
>
> Maybe it is a "lpr" option:
>
> https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html
>
> (See "Scaling to Fit")

Thanks!  That is helpful.  If I hit the problem I'll look into doing it that 
way.  Evince worked last time I needed it to do so, and people are saying 
that it still does.

Lisi

Re: Licence de Virtualbox

[Daniel Huhardeaux]

Le 31/10/2016 à 11:49, Randy11 a écrit :

Bonjour Base10,

Je voudrais aussi utiliser Qemu/KVM, mais j'ai besoin d'utiliser le
port USB et le partage de répertoire avec l'hôte, si possible sans 
passer par

NFS.

L'objectif, suivre les conseils de Cyrille pour utiliser mon GPS 
Garmin Zümo
("[HS] GARMIN //  Re: Récupérer un partitionnement détruit par 
Windows7.")
et utiliser Captvty 
(https://debian-fr.org/t/utiliser-captvty-exe-dans-debian-jessie-64-bits/61221). 
J'ai déjà eu des conflits avec l'installation de différents paquets, 
je voudrais
avoir un "bac à sable" où jouer, c'est tout de même mieux que de 
réinstaller tout le système pour retrouver une bonne configuration 
comme je l'ai déjà fait plusieurs fois,

hier encore notamment.

J'avais utiliser le Debian-Handbook/"Cahier de l'admin" :
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.virtualization.html#id-1.15.5.14. 



Mais je n'ai rien trouver d'évident pour le partage de l'USB ou des 
répertoires
(http://superuser.com/questions/628169/how-to-share-a-directory-with-the-host-without-networking-in-qemu). 



Installe virt-manager afin d'avoir une interface graphique. Dans la 
définition de la VM tu peux rajouter les ports USB ou partages par 
simple clic. L'autre solution est de modifier manuellement le fichier 
XML correspondant à la VM.




J'aimerais bien quelque chose d'assez rapide pour démarrer, même si la 
longue lecture
de la documentation (la quelle ?) sera nécessaire pour mieux contrôler 
ou optimiser
l'installation. Je n'ai pas besoin d'optimisation graphique pour 
l'instant. Disposer de

l'audio serait un plus.

Merci pour les conseils.

Randy11.

On 30/10/2016 11:34, base10 wrote:
Oui en effet mais vu que les extensions propriétaire ne sont pas 
incluses

dans les dépôts Debian et ne font qu'étendre les fonctionnalité de
VirtualBox je ne pense pas qu'elles soit suffisantes pour placer le
paquet dans la section contrib des dépôts.

En tout cas il est vrais que qemu/kvm est un alternative plus que
satisfaisantes à VirtualBox (j'utilise moi même qemu). Qemu fournis
toutes les fonctionnalités de VirtualBox voir plus et sans nécessiter
d'extension proprio. Par contre il est vrais que les interface graphique
sont moins bien géré que par VirtualBox. Je me prononce avec prudence
sur le sujet car je maitrise mal mais qemu possède bien un driver Xorg
pour la carte graphique qxl mais pour moi l'expérience n'avait pas été
très concluante en si qui concerne l'accélération 3D. Enfin il y a le
driver vga virtio qui apparemment permet d'accéder directement à la
carte graphique de l'hôte mais quant on le lance actuellement sous
Debian Jessie on obtiens:

qemu-system-x86_64: Initialization of device virtio-vga failed: failed
to find romfile "vgabios-virtio.bin"

Pas vraiment concluent. apt-file search vgabios-virtio.bin ne donne
rien. J'ai pas pousser mes recherches plus loin.


Pour Benoît, en complément de l'information apportée par base10: il me
semble que les extensions de Virtualbox nécessaires pour l'accélération
graphique et la prise en charge de l'USB2, donc usage desktop, sont
propriétaires.

Je crois aussi que les versions les plus récentes de Qemu/KVM prennent
en charge l'accélération graphique (Qemu gérait déjà l'USB). Si on a
besoin d'une GUI pour gérer Qemu, il y a entre autres Gnome-Boxes 
(Gnome

Machines en français, je crois) ou Virtualbricks. Le premier étant plus
simple, le second plus configurable. Toutes ces solutions sont libres.

--
Daniel

[testing] gvim ne s'affiche plus correctement !!!

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Bonjour,

Je viens de constater que, sur testing, gvim ne s'affiche plus correctement
(voir pj). L'affiche est correct pendant que l'on redimensionne la fenêtre
avec la souris mais dès que je lâche le bouton, plus rien ... :(
Est-ce pareil sur vos testing ?

Gaëtan

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Lisi.

On 31/10/16 08:07, Lisi Reisz wrote:

>> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
>> software.
>> You may change your cups/printer settings:
>> http://localhost:631/
> 
> Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember and 
> have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for fitting to 
> printable area.

Maybe it is a "lpr" option:

https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html

(See "Scaling to Fit")


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Information about modules

[Datasmurf]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 00:49:43 +0100
Michael Lange  wrote:

[snip]
> modinfo is your friend, e.g.
> 
[snap]

Thank you Michael


-- 
#irc - real netizens last resort

Re: Licence de Virtualbox

[Randy11]

On 31/10/2016 12:09, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:

Bonjour,

Le lundi 31 octobre 2016 à 11:49, Randy11 a écrit :

Je voudrais aussi utiliser Qemu/KVM, mais j'ai besoin d'utiliser le
port USB et le partage de répertoire avec l'hôte, si possible sans passer
par
NFS.

 [...]
J'ai déjà eu des conflits avec l'installation de différents paquets, je
voudrais
avoir un "bac à sable" où jouer, c'est tout de même mieux que de réinstaller
tout le système pour retrouver une bonne configuration comme je l'ai déjà
fait plusieurs fois,
hier encore notamment.


Je prends le fil en cours et ne me souviens plus tellement de la discussion au
sujet du GPS, il se peut donc que je sois hors-sujet…

Pourquoi ne pas travailler dans un chroot ? Tu pourras le jeter et le
reconstruire autant que tu veux, les accès au matériel (graphique, son) seront
directs. Et en bonus, tu gagneras en efficacité CPU et mémoire.

Sébastien



Bonjour Sébastien,

Perspective très intéressante.

Mon GPS utilise le port USB, dans la discussion Cyrille me donnait des 
pistes pour

l'utiliser.

Pour info, Captvty ne tourne que sous Wine 32 bits, est-ce aussi 
utilisable avec un

chroot ?

En référence sur chroot, il y a évidemment cela : 
https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Chroot,

mais as-tu d'autres références à me donner avant que je ne parcours le Web ?

Merci.

Re: Licence de Virtualbox

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Bonjour,

Le lundi 31 octobre 2016 à 11:49, Randy11 a écrit :
> Je voudrais aussi utiliser Qemu/KVM, mais j'ai besoin d'utiliser le
> port USB et le partage de répertoire avec l'hôte, si possible sans passer
> par
> NFS.
> 
> L'objectif, suivre les conseils de Cyrille pour utiliser mon GPS Garmin Zümo
> ("[HS] GARMIN //  Re: Récupérer un partitionnement détruit par Windows7.")
> et utiliser Captvty 
> (https://debian-fr.org/t/utiliser-captvty-exe-dans-debian-jessie-64-bits/61221).
> J'ai déjà eu des conflits avec l'installation de différents paquets, je
> voudrais
> avoir un "bac à sable" où jouer, c'est tout de même mieux que de réinstaller
> tout le système pour retrouver une bonne configuration comme je l'ai déjà
> fait plusieurs fois,
> hier encore notamment.

Je prends le fil en cours et ne me souviens plus tellement de la discussion au
sujet du GPS, il se peut donc que je sois hors-sujet…

Pourquoi ne pas travailler dans un chroot ? Tu pourras le jeter et le
reconstruire autant que tu veux, les accès au matériel (graphique, son) seront
directs. Et en bonus, tu gagneras en efficacité CPU et mémoire.

Sébastien

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 31 October 2016 09:15:33 maderios wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 02:01 AM, Doug wrote:
> >> What *doesn't* work :-
> >>
> >> Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
> >> (9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
> >> print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
> >> asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...
> >>
> >> Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
> >> feature.
>
> Hi
> "fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer
> software.
> You may change your cups/printer settings:
> http://localhost:631/

Where?  In which section can you make the change you suggest?  I remember and 
have set a setting for turning pages if necessary, but not one for fitting to 
printable area.

Lisi
> Cheers
> (other good pdf viewer: Evince)

Re: Licence de Virtualbox

[Randy11]

Bonjour Base10,

Je voudrais aussi utiliser Qemu/KVM, mais j'ai besoin d'utiliser le
port USB et le partage de répertoire avec l'hôte, si possible sans 
passer par

NFS.

L'objectif, suivre les conseils de Cyrille pour utiliser mon GPS Garmin 
Zümo

("[HS] GARMIN //  Re: Récupérer un partitionnement détruit par Windows7.")
et utiliser Captvty 
(https://debian-fr.org/t/utiliser-captvty-exe-dans-debian-jessie-64-bits/61221). 
J'ai déjà eu des conflits avec l'installation de différents paquets, je 
voudrais
avoir un "bac à sable" où jouer, c'est tout de même mieux que de 
réinstaller tout le système pour retrouver une bonne configuration comme 
je l'ai déjà fait plusieurs fois,

hier encore notamment.

J'avais utiliser le Debian-Handbook/"Cahier de l'admin" :
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.virtualization.html#id-1.15.5.14.

Mais je n'ai rien trouver d'évident pour le partage de l'USB ou des 
répertoires
(http://superuser.com/questions/628169/how-to-share-a-directory-with-the-host-without-networking-in-qemu). 



J'aimerais bien quelque chose d'assez rapide pour démarrer, même si la 
longue lecture
de la documentation (la quelle ?) sera nécessaire pour mieux contrôler 
ou optimiser
l'installation. Je n'ai pas besoin d'optimisation graphique pour 
l'instant. Disposer de

l'audio serait un plus.

Merci pour les conseils.

Randy11.

On 30/10/2016 11:34, base10 wrote:

Oui en effet mais vu que les extensions propriétaire ne sont pas incluses
dans les dépôts Debian et ne font qu'étendre les fonctionnalité de
VirtualBox je ne pense pas qu'elles soit suffisantes pour placer le
paquet dans la section contrib des dépôts.

En tout cas il est vrais que qemu/kvm est un alternative plus que
satisfaisantes à VirtualBox (j'utilise moi même qemu). Qemu fournis
toutes les fonctionnalités de VirtualBox voir plus et sans nécessiter
d'extension proprio. Par contre il est vrais que les interface graphique
sont moins bien géré que par VirtualBox. Je me prononce avec prudence
sur le sujet car je maitrise mal mais qemu possède bien un driver Xorg
pour la carte graphique qxl mais pour moi l'expérience n'avait pas été
très concluante en si qui concerne l'accélération 3D. Enfin il y a le
driver vga virtio qui apparemment permet d'accéder directement à la
carte graphique de l'hôte mais quant on le lance actuellement sous
Debian Jessie on obtiens:

qemu-system-x86_64: Initialization of device virtio-vga failed: failed
to find romfile "vgabios-virtio.bin"

Pas vraiment concluent. apt-file search vgabios-virtio.bin ne donne
rien. J'ai pas pousser mes recherches plus loin.


Pour Benoît, en complément de l'information apportée par base10: il me
semble que les extensions de Virtualbox nécessaires pour l'accélération
graphique et la prise en charge de l'USB2, donc usage desktop, sont
propriétaires.

Je crois aussi que les versions les plus récentes de Qemu/KVM prennent
en charge l'accélération graphique (Qemu gérait déjà l'USB). Si on a
besoin d'une GUI pour gérer Qemu, il y a entre autres Gnome-Boxes (Gnome
Machines en français, je crois) ou Virtualbricks. Le premier étant plus
simple, le second plus configurable. Toutes ces solutions sont libres.

Re: Strange crontab message regarding execle

[Johann Spies]

On 31 October 2016 at 11:28, Christian Seiler  wrote:

>
> It looks like cron is trying to execute a comment line - and of course a
> binary with the name "#Edit this file to  " doesn't exist on your
> system. (execle is one of the system calls used for executing programs.)
>
> Could you paste the full contents of the crontab file that contains this
> entry?
>
> Thanks Christian.  Your  answer led me to the solution.  Somehow a
linefeed character was removed in crontab -e causing a line like this:


SHELL=/bin/sh# Edit this file to introduce tasks to be run by cron.#

which I corrected to

SHELL=/bin/sh
# Edit this file to introduce tasks to be run by cron.#



> Also, what implementation of cron are you using in what version? You can
> get that via:
> dpkg -l cronie bcron-run systemd-cron cron
> (Those are the four providers of "cron-daemon" in testing at the moment.)
>
> I have only cron installed.

Regards
Johann


-- 
Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

Re: new pc and swap

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/30/2016 9:15 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

Le nonidi 9 brumaire, an CCXXV, Richard Owlett a écrit :

I once read that it was possible to swap to a named file, rather than a swap
partition.
Is that possible with Jessie?


Please check: fallocate, mkswap, swapon, and tell us the result.

Regards,



As I don't have a functioning Debian system at the moment
and
As https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi remains *DOWN* :{
I tried https://manned.org/pkg/debian-jessie as it _appeared_ to 
index all _current_ Debian manpages without success.
There were no hits in 
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=all=any=names=...

Fell back to the GENERIC https://manned.org/browse/search?q=...
That tells me swap files have existed in the past and they all 
effectively say "Beware. Here dragons have laird here." ;/


Does not answer the question I posed.
Markus' post indicates swap files may be unreliable for 
hibernation, my only likely use.
I've seen posts on multiple fora suggesting hibernation is the 
only use that will absolutely require swap. That routine use does 
not tend to require swap.

Re: Strange crontab message regarding execle

[Christian Seiler]

On 10/31/2016 10:06 AM, Johann Spies wrote:
> I user testing/sid and do regular dist-upgrades.  Sometime last week these
> messages started to appear regarding one of my crontab-entries:
> 
> Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/fetchmail -L ~/.procmail/log >
> /dev/null 2>&1
> 
> /bin/sh# Edit this file to introduce tasks to be run by cron.#: execle: No
> such file or directory

It looks like cron is trying to execute a comment line - and of course a
binary with the name "#Edit this file to  " doesn't exist on your
system. (execle is one of the system calls used for executing programs.)

Could you paste the full contents of the crontab file that contains this
entry?

Also, what implementation of cron are you using in what version? You can
get that via:
dpkg -l cronie bcron-run systemd-cron cron
(Those are the four providers of "cron-daemon" in testing at the moment.)

Regards,
CHristian

Re: Alternative to Adobe Reader, anyone?

[maderios]

On 10/31/2016 02:01 AM, Doug wrote:


What *doesn't* work :-

Acrobat Reader:  It does the 'fit to page' but the version I have
(9.5.5) will not print a *single* copy of a file. If you ask it to
print one copy, you get a popup with an lpr error message that you
asked for zero copies. Ask for two copies, you get two copies...

Okular:  Prints single copies OK but doesn't have the 'fit to page'
feature.

Hi
"fit to page" function depends on printer driver settings, not printer 
software.

You may change your cups/printer settings:
http://localhost:631/
Cheers
(other good pdf viewer: Evince)

--
Maderios

Strange crontab message regarding execle

[Johann Spies]

I user testing/sid and do regular dist-upgrades.  Sometime last week these
messages started to appear regarding one of my crontab-entries:

Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/fetchmail -L ~/.procmail/log >
/dev/null 2>&1

/bin/sh# Edit this file to introduce tasks to be run by cron.#: execle: No
such file or directory

The crontab entry looks like this:

*/5 * * * 1-5 /usr/bin/fetchmail -L ~/.procmail/log > /dev/null 2>&1

and was used like this for several years.

Which file is the message referring to?  I have search for execle on my
system and installed gnulib which contains execle.texi in the documentation
- the only package where apt-file search  could find execle except for
manpages-packages.

Regards
Johann

-- 
Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

Re: Power Cut

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-10-30 12:25 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:06:30 +0100
> Andre Majorel  wrote:
> > On 2016-10-29 23:37 -0700, Hadi Motamedi wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you please do me favor and let me know if there is any log
> > > on my debian server that I can check to see if there would be
> > > many frequent power cut there ?
> > 
> > If you mean reboots, you could try something like
> > 
> >   zgrep ' Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=' /var/log/syslog*
> > 
> > Alternatively, look into commands such as last(1), uptime(1),
> > utmpdump(1) or who(1).
> 
> Won't a simple "last | grep boot" suffice?

If the man page is not lying, "last reboot" will. But none of
the machines I have access to reboot often enough for me to make
sure.

-- 
André Majorel 
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