Re: Why isn't `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-01-28 09:10 +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote:

> Albin Otterhäll [2017-01-28 07:59:31+01] wrote:
>
>> Why isn't the package `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch? The
>> package is required if you want to add external repositories' GPG
>> keys.
>
> Actually it is installed by default. Package gnupg (priority
> "important") recommends dirmngr and recommended packages are installed
> by default.

Unfortunately this only applies to packages installed by apt and not to
those installed initially by debootstrap (or cdebootstrap). :-(

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Why isn't `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-01-28 07:59 +0100, Albin Otterhäll wrote:

> Why isn't the package `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch?

Probably because of a debootstrap limitation, it does not install
recommended packages.  And dirmngr does currently only have
Priority: optional, so it does not get installed.

> The package is required if you want to add external repositories' GPG
> keys.

That's why apt recommends gnupg which in turn recommends dirmngr.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Why isn't `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch?

[Teemu Likonen]

Albin Otterhäll [2017-01-28 07:59:31+01] wrote:

> Why isn't the package `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch? The
> package is required if you want to add external repositories' GPG
> keys.

Actually it is installed by default. Package gnupg (priority
"important") recommends dirmngr and recommended packages are installed
by default.

I guess the maintainers have decided that dirmngr is not strictly
required by gnupg package because gpg can work without it.

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Why isn't `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch?

[Albin Otterhäll]

Hi!

Why isn't the package `dirmngr` installed by default in Stretch? The
package is required if you want to add external repositories' GPG keys.

Regards,
Albin

Re: Inconveniente con driver Radeon Debian Testing

[AlexLikeRock]

intenta descagargarlos desde la pagina AMD.COM

Radeon HD  SERIES

Mobility Radeon HD 3xxx series


LA VERDAD no es recomendable isntalarlos los de amd.com
, por que es muy problemáticos quitarlos / removerlos.
pero si no tienes mas opción


otros consejo es que instales otros kernel antigüos,
 por ejemplo , la pc de mi casa es mas vieja,
 y los gráficos  funcionan  bien  solo con kernel 3.2

todo lo demas tengo actualizado a debian TESTING,  (strech)
exceptop el kernel.
y la tengo reproduciendo videos a   1080P ,
 videojuegos N64 y PS1

jejej, saludos amigo



Saludos cordiales.


Mis proyectos de software libre en:
Github - edwinspire

Re: Correcting bug report

[Shin Ice]

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 02:11:55AM +0100, Michael Lange wrote:
> (...)
> > don't know what kind of "reject" message you got but looking at the bug
> > report it looks right.
> 
> That's what I thought at a first glance, too, but apparently he refers to
> the bug's severity, which is still set to "normal", not to "critical" as
> he intended.
> 

my bad, only checked the bug report and not the severity.
According to the documentation [1] the severity should be set as
psoudeheader with:

Severity: 

But take also a look at the "advanced documentation"

[1] https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#pseudoheader
[2] https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities

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Re: Correcting bug report

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 01:56:23 +0100
Shin Ice  wrote:

(...)
> don't know what kind of "reject" message you got but looking at the bug
> report it looks right.

That's what I thought at a first glance, too, but apparently he refers to
the bug's severity, which is still set to "normal", not to "critical" as
he intended.

Regards

Michael

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Re: Correcting bug report

[Shin Ice]

Hi,


On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:36:17PM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I sent in a bug report and realized that I had mis-classified the bug. I
> sent in a correction to "852...@bugs.debian.org" with a body containing the
> following:
> 
>   Control: severity critical
> 
>   Correction of last email. Hope this one works.
> 
> This one was also rejected. What's wrong with it.
> 
> Gary R.
> 

don't know what kind of "reject" message you got but looking at the bug
report it looks right.

Greetings
Shin


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Re: The connections resets after some time.

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi again, Henrique.

On 27/01/17 19:32, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

>>> What do you think? Will it be a problem with the cablemodem?

>> I don't know which hop is your cable modem, but you need to explain the
>> first hop losing packets.  If it drops return packets that often, you
>> cannot assume where any loss after that one is happening: it could be
>> just their return packets being dropped by the first hop.

> The cablemodem is 192.168.1.1, so the CMTS is 10.96.0.1. I've been
> watching mtr for a few minutes waiting for the ssh connections to freeze
> and I've only seen that the hops from the cablemodem turn red when
> everything freezes. I'm going to do the test again by connecting
> directly via ethernet to ensure the results are reproducible.

I did the test again by connecting the notebook with a cable to the
TP-Link router (192.168.2.1). When the connections are dropped, all the
hops are shown in red from the cablemodem (192.168.1.1) for about three
to four seconds. This is the screenshot:

https://ibin.co/3ANVFzZi7BHg.png


Kind regards,
Daniel



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[OT] Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 28/01/17 a las 00:22, Jimmy Muñoz Bravo escribió:
> buenas noches disculpen que los molestes, me gustaria darme de baja para no
> recibir estos msj, alguien que me pueda ayudar o que me diga que debo hacer
> 
> gracias por la ayuda

Para desuscribirse de la lista has de mandar un correo en blanco a:

mailto:debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe

Sin más, te mandará un correo electrónico que tendrás que confirmarlo
respondiéndolo para que surta efecto.

P.S.: Se ve que se contesta al correo-e...y a la lista a la vez.

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Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Jimmy Muñoz Bravo]

buenas noches disculpen que los molestes, me gustaria darme de baja para no
recibir estos msj, alguien que me pueda ayudar o que me diga que debo hacer

gracias por la ayuda

El 27 de enero de 2017, 15:02, Santiago José López Borrazás  escribió:

> El 27/01/17 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió:
> > Yo también tengo Debian Stretch con kernel 4.9 con Gnome y no tengo
> problema
> > alguno con el touchpad.
>
> Ni en mi caso, con KDE. Para nada.
>
> > Un saludo
>
> --
> Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.
>
>

Re: Correcting bug report

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:36:17 -0800
Gary Roach  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I sent in a bug report and realized that I had mis-classified the bug.
> I sent in a correction to "852...@bugs.debian.org" with a body
> containing the following:
> 
>   Control: severity critical
> 
>   Correction of last email. Hope this one works.
> 
> This one was also rejected. What's wrong with it.

according to
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#requestserv
and
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request
and
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard

it looks like you should send your mail to 
cont...@bugs.debian.org
instead and make the body look like:

severity 852163 critical

Never tested this myself, though.

Regards

Michael

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Re: The connections resets after some time.

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Henrique.

On 27/01/17 19:11, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

>> I thought about doing a test with MTR. Maybe it could provide some
>> interesting information. This way I left in a later window an ssh
>> connection to a server running htop, and a window ahead running MTR.
>>
>> When the window with htop freezes, MTR shows as a cascade failure from
>> the cablemodem, turning red the hosts from this (192.168.1.1). This
>> stays red for about three or four seconds and then goes
>> back to black.
>>
>> https://ibin.co/3AMfJ9PYCGJ4.png

> Why is it getting packet loss to the *first* hop?  Wifi?  Do that test
> using an ethernet connection...

The first hop (192.168.2.1) is my TP-Link WDR-3600 router with OpenWRT.
At the time of the test with mtr, I was connected with my notebook to
that router wirelessly. The second hop (10.1.0.10) is my firewall with
Debian Jessie. It called my attention to see packet loss in both,
although I was struck by the fact that from the cablemodem everything
turned red for a few seconds at the time the connections freeze.

>> What do you think? Will it be a problem with the cablemodem?

> I don't know which hop is your cable modem, but you need to explain the
> first hop losing packets.  If it drops return packets that often, you
> cannot assume where any loss after that one is happening: it could be
> just their return packets being dropped by the first hop.

The cablemodem is 192.168.1.1, so the CMTS is 10.96.0.1. I've been
watching mtr for a few minutes waiting for the ssh connections to freeze
and I've only seen that the hops from the cablemodem turn red when
everything freezes. I'm going to do the test again by connecting
directly via ethernet to ensure the results are reproducible.

Thanks for your reply and your time.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: The connections resets after some time.

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> I thought about doing a test with MTR. Maybe it could provide some
> interesting information. This way I left in a later window an ssh
> connection to a server running htop, and a window ahead running MTR.
> 
> When the window with htop freezes, MTR shows as a cascade failure from
> the cablemodem, turning red the hosts from this (192.168.1.1). This
> stays red for about three or four seconds and then goes
> back to black.
> 
> https://ibin.co/3AMfJ9PYCGJ4.png

Why is it getting packet loss to the *first* hop?  Wifi?  Do that test
using an ethernet connection...

> What do you think? Will it be a problem with the cablemodem?

I don't know which hop is your cable modem, but you need to explain the
first hop losing packets.  If it drops return packets that often, you
cannot assume where any loss after that one is happening: it could be
just their return packets being dropped by the first hop.

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Re: Re: frequently segmentation faults in gnome session on debian testing

[iqwue Wabv]

Do you know whether this problem was reported as debian bug for 
kernel-package?

Regards, Karol

Re: The connections resets after some time.

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi again, Henrique.

On 24/01/17 13:37, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

>> It's very weird. The cablemodem does not lose Upstream and Downstream
>> synchronization, but nevertheless I see that the established
>> connections are lost (for example, instant messaging, SSH, or HTTP,
>> to mention a few).

> Are you under any sort of stateful packet filtering device (L3+
> firewall, NAT/CGNAT gateway, anti-virus device)?   Inquire your ISP.
>
> Such devices can _and do_ cause this sort of issue when they hit
> resource limits of any sort (such as going over peak capacity of
> connection setup/teardown rate, throughput, etc), or during failover,
> etc.
>
> It could also be caused by link or routing problems in the ISP
> backbone, backhaul, and even in the Internet border itself (ISP to
> ISP eBGP links).
>
> (...)

I thought about doing a test with MTR. Maybe it could provide some
interesting information. This way I left in a later window an ssh
connection to a server running htop, and a window ahead running MTR.

When the window with htop freezes, MTR shows as a cascade failure from
the cablemodem, turning red the hosts from this (192.168.1.1). This
stays red for about three or four seconds and then goes
back to black.

https://ibin.co/3AMfJ9PYCGJ4.png

When any router turns red means 100% packet loss? Because in the
screenshot this value was not in 100 for the cablemodem on that moment.


What do you think? Will it be a problem with the cablemodem?

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Ryan Cunningham]

Dear Greg Wooledge,

The Debian mailing list code of conduct says:

"The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Debian. 
Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses, are not 
welcome."

This includes the message that you sent, and any other message of a similar 
type. If this continues, and we cannot reasonably reach a compromise, I will 
send a message to the list owner requesting that you be forcefully unsubscribed.

Sincerely,

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> El ene 27, 2017, a las 13:01, Greg Wooledge  escribió:
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 02:50:40PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Abysmal failure.
> 
> I have had enough of this bullshit.  Richard, you are a toxic person.
> You give the human race a bad name.  Every HONEST effort to help you has
> been met with insults.  You suck the time and energy from those who had
> only the best and truest motives, and repay them with misery.
> 
> Go away.  Don't come back.
> 
> I actually started investigating how to killfile YOU the other day,
> but it turned out there was no clear, easy answer, so I put the notion
> on the back burner.  You're making me want to revisit this project.
> 
> To the rest of you who have more patience than I do: I apologize for
> wasting your time.  But he's been pushing me WAY past my limits for an
> extremely long time now.
> 

Re: Early boot became slower

[deloptes]

Mattia Oss wrote:

> 
> Anyway thanks for the effort, much appreciated. :)

Perhaps you should check your plymouth install/setup. I am not ubuntu user.
I was able to see the videos and still, you are shaking and the video is
out of focus, so one can not see where it hangs. I guess it is
trying/hanging intializing the frame buffer. Perhaps you enable timestamp
for boot if not enabled and check your log files to see where it spends
much of the time. I think this is doable with systemd as well, but I am not
very knowledgable how this devil works exactly.

If you have read the changelog to the new 4.9. kernel you should have
noticed that a lot of fixes against intel video driver were pushed. Perhaps
you experience some slow down because one of them and perhaps there is a
fix if you read the documentation of the driver. So a possible solution
would be to check parameters passed to the driver /etc/modprobe.d/...
or you have to create/set the options.

regards

Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 02:50:40PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Abysmal failure.

I have had enough of this bullshit.  Richard, you are a toxic person.
You give the human race a bad name.  Every HONEST effort to help you has
been met with insults.  You suck the time and energy from those who had
only the best and truest motives, and repay them with misery.

Go away.  Don't come back.

I actually started investigating how to killfile YOU the other day,
but it turned out there was no clear, easy answer, so I put the notion
on the back burner.  You're making me want to revisit this project.

To the rest of you who have more patience than I do: I apologize for
wasting your time.  But he's been pushing me WAY past my limits for an
extremely long time now.

Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/27/2017 01:36 PM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 12:41:00 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 01/27/2017 09:40 AM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 07:42:27 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...Lots of snipping...]


The underlying condition that triggered all the "observables" is that the
.deb in [2] is not compatible with Mate delivered on Debian 8.6.0 DVDs.


[2] is 
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mate-desktop/1.10.2-1/#mate-user-guide_1.10.2-1

Very unusual. This is a documentation package and is highly unlikely to
have any complex dependencies. Indeed, the only dependency is yelp.

What does "not compatible" mean? How did you discover this? There are
messages or logs to accompany your experience?

BTW. I've just installed the package on a Jessie GNOME machine.



SO WHAT???
This thread is about *MATE*!


If the package installs on GNOME it will install on MATE.

Not that we know why it didn't for you. It is a closely guarded secret.

After asking

   I have downloaded the package referenced in [2] as recommended.
   How do I install it?

you appear have lost your way. As a reminder; 'dpkg -i '.


The following is a reading test for Brian.

Package: mate-user-guide
Source: mate-desktop
Version: 1.10.2-1
Architecture: all
Maintainer: MATE Packaging Team 
Installed-Size: 23708
Depends: yelp
Breaks: mate-desktop (<< 1.10.2-1~), mate-desktop-common (<< 1.10.1-2)
Section: x11
Priority: optional
Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/
Description: MATE Desktop User Guide
  The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. It provides an
  intuitive and attractive desktop environment using traditional metaphors
for
  Linux and other Unix-like operating systems.
  .
  MATE is under active development to add support for new technologies while
  preserving a traditional desktop experience.
  .
  This package contains MATE's user guide.


'nuff said?


Read it. MATE is is a DE which is integrated into Debian. Do I get a
gold star for comprehension?



Abysmal failure.
PLONK

Correcting bug report

[Gary Roach]

Hi all,

I sent in a bug report and realized that I had mis-classified the bug. I 
sent in a correction to "852...@bugs.debian.org" with a body containing 
the following:


Control: severity critical

Correction of last email. Hope this one works.

This one was also rejected. What's wrong with it.

Gary R.

Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Bob Brewer]

Teemu Likonen wrote:

> 
> If you want to prevent gpg-agent from starting you can do it with this:
> 
> $ systemctl --user mask --now gpg-agent.service gpg-agent.socket \
> gpg-agent-ssh.socket gpg-agent-extra.socket \
> gpg-agent-browser.socket

As I was unsure where the syslog error was coming from I was hoping to 
localize the problem by stopping gpg-agent.  With the help of others here I 
believe have I corrected the problem but I will file this away if I get 
problems again.


> 
> See /usr/share/doc/gnupg/README.Debian
> 
 (and your correction /usr/share/doc/gnupg-agent/README.Debian)

> 
> To just prevent log spamming I think this will do it: Create file
> ~/.config/systemd/user/gpg-agent.service.d/logspam.conf with the
> following content (without the four-space indentation):
> 
> [Service]
> StandardOutput=null
> StandardError=null
> 
> And then:
> 
> $ systemctl --user daemon-reload
> $ systemctl --user stop gpg-agent.service
> 

Thank you for the suggestion. Systemd seems to have generated some very 
large log files recently (previously with lircd).  I find that systemd has a 
long learning curve as it isn't as intuitive sysv so your suggestion here 
may come in very useful in the future.

Rob

Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 27/01/17 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió:
> Yo también tengo Debian Stretch con kernel 4.9 con Gnome y no tengo problema
> alguno con el touchpad.

Ni en mi caso, con KDE. Para nada.

> Un saludo

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Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 27/01/17 a las 17:45, Edwin De La Cruz escribió:

> La semana pasada tuve un problema similar y fueron los drivers de video...
> los problemas eran similares.
> Ahora ya va todo bien.

Se puede solucionar de esta manera:

En el fichero /etc/X11/xorg.conf, en 'Section "Device"', ahí, debemos poner
una línea que salga como esta:

Option "DRI" "3"

Palabrita que a mí no me falla ni a la de tres.

Ya lo dije en mi blog: http://www.sjlopezb.es/2017/01/nouveau-con-nvidia.html

Es fácilmente 'solucionable'.

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Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Eduardo Rios]

El 27/01/17 a las 15:59, arnau Casau escribió:

Hola muy buenas, desde hace una semana adquirí un nuevo portátil con
el cuál he tenido muchos problemas con los drivers en el touchpad en
la versión 8.7 de Debian (Kernel 3.16). He probado a actualizar a Debian
Stretch (Kernel 4.8) en el cuál funciona perfectamente.

Hoy he actualizado mi Debian (apt full-upgrade) i he visto que hay una
nueva versión del Kernel, la 4.9. Bien, con dicha versión se me hace
imposible trabajar, se me cuelga constantemente, no me permite abrir la
ventana de configuración ni un simple navegador como Firefox.

Mi pregunta era que si los bugs en la versión 4.9 son "normales"
y están reportados o si es problema solo mio. Aclaro que
utilizo Gnome como escritorio pero también he probado con KDE y estoy en
las mismas.


Hola buenas noches.

Yo también tengo Debian Stretch con kernel 4.9 con Gnome y no tengo 
problema alguno con el touchpad.


Un saludo

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Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Brian]

On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 12:41:00 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 01/27/2017 09:40 AM, Brian wrote:
> >On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 07:42:27 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >[...Lots of snipping...]
> >
> >>The underlying condition that triggered all the "observables" is that the
> >>.deb in [2] is not compatible with Mate delivered on Debian 8.6.0 DVDs.
> >
> >[2] is 
> >http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mate-desktop/1.10.2-1/#mate-user-guide_1.10.2-1
> >
> >Very unusual. This is a documentation package and is highly unlikely to
> >have any complex dependencies. Indeed, the only dependency is yelp.
> >
> >What does "not compatible" mean? How did you discover this? There are
> >messages or logs to accompany your experience?
> >
> >BTW. I've just installed the package on a Jessie GNOME machine.
> >
> 
> SO WHAT???
> This thread is about *MATE*!

If the package installs on GNOME it will install on MATE.

Not that we know why it didn't for you. It is a closely guarded secret.

After asking

  I have downloaded the package referenced in [2] as recommended.
  How do I install it?

you appear have lost your way. As a reminder; 'dpkg -i '.

> The following is a reading test for Brian.
> 
> Package: mate-user-guide
> Source: mate-desktop
> Version: 1.10.2-1
> Architecture: all
> Maintainer: MATE Packaging Team 
> Installed-Size: 23708
> Depends: yelp
> Breaks: mate-desktop (<< 1.10.2-1~), mate-desktop-common (<< 1.10.1-2)
> Section: x11
> Priority: optional
> Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/
> Description: MATE Desktop User Guide
>  The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. It provides an
>  intuitive and attractive desktop environment using traditional metaphors
> for
>  Linux and other Unix-like operating systems.
>  .
>  MATE is under active development to add support for new technologies while
>  preserving a traditional desktop experience.
>  .
>  This package contains MATE's user guide.
> 
> 
> 'nuff said?

Read it. MATE is is a DE which is integrated into Debian. Do I get a
gold star for comprehension?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Early boot became slower

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 27 January 2017 16:56:32 Mattia Oss wrote:
> This can be seen in the 3rd
> video.

By you.  Not by me - nor apparently by Felix.

Lisi

Re: apt-get is not following preferences.d

[davidson]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017, Michael Lange wrote:


On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:00:19 +0100
Matthias Bodenbinder  wrote:


I created that file with this line but it does not help. Still the same
odd pinning after boot.

So my problem might not be related to /etc/cron.daily/apt. I guess I
have to start searching again :-(


Though the fact that removing the file helps seems to indicate that it
actually is related.
Have you read the documentation at the beginning of the file, maybe on
your system the options are different than here (Jessie)?


Just for example, you might consider setting the verbosity to a
non-default, informative value in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic

[from the preamble comments in /etc/cron.daily/apt]
#  APT::Periodic::Verbose "0";
#  - Send report mail to root
#  0:  no report (or null string)
#  1:  progress report   (actually any string)
#  2:  + command outputs (remove -qq, remove 2>/dev/null, add -d)
#  3:  + trace on

Re: sobre SPAM

[Thiago Canuto Ferreira]

Ok Terceiro. 

Obrigado pela info.

Thiag

Em Sex, 2017-01-27 às 13:56 -0200, Antonio Terceiro escreveu:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:10:49AM -0300, Thiago Canuto Ferreira wrote:
> > Bom dia pessoal.
> > 
> > Hoje voltei a receber spam com a seguinte mensagem:
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >1. ? Estas pessoas est?o ? sua espera para conversar! (Twoo)
> > 
> > Na lista debian-br-ge...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> > 
> > Entrei na pág. deste post:
> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-br-geral/2017-January/000890.html
> >  , porém não possue o botão de "Report as spam".
> 
> as listas no alioth (lists.alioth.debian.org) infelizmente não tem uma
> solução integrada de antispam, então não tem muito o que fazer.

Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/27/2017 09:40 AM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 07:42:27 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...Lots of snipping...]


The underlying condition that triggered all the "observables" is that the
.deb in [2] is not compatible with Mate delivered on Debian 8.6.0 DVDs.


[2] is 
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mate-desktop/1.10.2-1/#mate-user-guide_1.10.2-1

Very unusual. This is a documentation package and is highly unlikely to
have any complex dependencies. Indeed, the only dependency is yelp.

What does "not compatible" mean? How did you discover this? There are
messages or logs to accompany your experience?

BTW. I've just installed the package on a Jessie GNOME machine.



SO WHAT???
This thread is about *MATE*!

The following is a reading test for Brian.

Package: mate-user-guide
Source: mate-desktop
Version: 1.10.2-1
Architecture: all
Maintainer: MATE Packaging Team 


Installed-Size: 23708
Depends: yelp
Breaks: mate-desktop (<< 1.10.2-1~), mate-desktop-common (<< 
1.10.1-2)

Section: x11
Priority: optional
Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/
Description: MATE Desktop User Guide
 The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. It 
provides an
 intuitive and attractive desktop environment using traditional 
metaphors for

 Linux and other Unix-like operating systems.
 .
 MATE is under active development to add support for new 
technologies while

 preserving a traditional desktop experience.
 .
 This package contains MATE's user guide.


'nuff said?

Re: sobre SPAM

[Thiago Canuto Ferreira]

Ok Terceiro. 

Obrigado pela info.

Thiago C. F.

Em Sex, 2017-01-27 às 13:56 -0200, Antonio Terceiro escreveu:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:10:49AM -0300, Thiago Canuto Ferreira wrote:
> > Bom dia pessoal.
> > 
> > Hoje voltei a receber spam com a seguinte mensagem:
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >1. ? Estas pessoas est?o ? sua espera para conversar! (Twoo)
> > 
> > Na lista debian-br-ge...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> > 
> > Entrei na pág. deste post:
> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-br-geral/2017-January/000890.html
> >  , porém não possue o botão de "Report as spam".
> 
> as listas no alioth (lists.alioth.debian.org) infelizmente não tem uma
> solução integrada de antispam, então não tem muito o que fazer.

Re: apt-get is not following preferences.d

[davidson]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:

Am 25.01.2017 um 20:04 schrieb Michael Lange:

Hi,

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:18:07 +0100
Matthias Bodenbinder  wrote:

(...)


I do not have that file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic. I put
/etc/cron.daily/apt back where it belongs and this morning the pinning
was screwed up again. This is really weird.


Then you could try to create the file and add the line

APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";

and see if that helps. Maybe your system somehow has a different default.

Regards

Michael


I created that file with this line but it does not help. Still the same odd 
pinning after boot.


So my problem might not be related to /etc/cron.daily/apt. I guess I have to 
start searching again :-(


Looking through the other defaults described in /etc/cron.daily/apt ,
this one looks relevant:

#  APT::Periodic::Enable "1";
#  - Enable the update/upgrade script (0=disable)

If I were you, I would do

# echo 'APT::Periodic::Enable "0";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic

and see if that works.

Re: Early boot became slower

[Felix Miata]

Mattia Oss composed on 2017-01-27 17:56 (UTC+0100):


On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 04:14:57AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:



Mattia Oss composed on 2017-01-27 01:34 (UTC+0100):



> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 02:18:36PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:



> > For the boot menu, or after?



> To clarify I uploaded some videos (sorry for the crappy quality :/ )



You haven't answered my question.



Well, apparently you haven't seen my videos. Anyway: right after the
grub menu.



None of those play for me. The resolution on the initial screens is so poor



This sentence doesn't make sense. Did you play them or not?


I clicked the links. The browser opened them, meaning I saw that they were 
videos in whatever player the browser chose to try, and was able to see their 
first frames display. Clicking play produced error messages instead of playback.



They are 1920x1080 with h264 codec in a Matroska container. I think
that's pretty standard. Which player did you use?


I chose no player. Normally I don't click anonymous links. I clicked your links 
anyway. I don't watch videos on a PC. That's what I have TVs for. If I click a 
link to a video and it won't play, that's the end of it. I don't try to figure 
out why.


When I ask for information on a mailing list, it's information I want, not a 
video. I have no patience for digging information out of a video.



I don't have the splash or quiet parameter in grub (are you using
ubuntu?)
Rarely. I multiboot all my machines with various combinations of Wheezy, Jessie, 
Stretch, Sid, AntiX, openSUSE, Fedora, Mageia, and rarely, Mint, Kubuntu, CentOS 
or Gentoo. All my boot stanzas omit quiet and most contain splash=0. Plymouth is 
only installed on installations where its removal would strip it down into an 
unusable state (e.g. Mageia).



but if I use GRUB_TERMINAL=console or GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
I get a super fast and super ugly output. This can be seen in the 3rd
video.
If the video plays. A single image would suffice to answer my question about 
"huge" characters if you cannot find words to do so.

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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: apt-get is not following preferences.d

[Michael Lange]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:00:19 +0100
Matthias Bodenbinder  wrote:

> I created that file with this line but it does not help. Still the same 
> odd pinning after boot.
> 
> So my problem might not be related to /etc/cron.daily/apt. I guess I 
> have to start searching again :-(

Though the fact that removing the file helps seems to indicate that it
actually is related.  
Have you read the documentation at the beginning of the file, maybe on
your system the options are different than here (Jessie)?

Regards

Michael


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Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 17:05:42 +
Bob Brewer  wrote:

> Reco wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:27 +
> > Bob Brewer  wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from
> >> gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in
> >> syslog:
> >> 
> >> gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed
> >> 
> >> this is repeated every 2 seconds.
> >> 
> >> I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it
> >> immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any
> >> config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being
> >> called. scdaemon isn't installed.
> >> 
> >> Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and
> >> prevent my SSD from being worn out?
> > 
> > echo disable-scdaemon >> $HOME/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
> > 
> > Also, gpg-agent(1).
> > 
> > 
> 
> Thanks Reco I had tried logging out but it seems I had to reboot to stop the 
> error messages. I had missed the reference to  "Note, that enabling this 
> option at runtime does not kill an already forked scdaemon" in the man page.

You're welcome.
All those options (in gpg-agent(1)) do not apply to running instances
of gpg-agent if specified in a configuration file.

Reco

Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Bob Brewer]

Reco wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:27 +
> Bob Brewer  wrote:
> 
>> I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from
>> gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in
>> syslog:
>> 
>> gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed
>> 
>> this is repeated every 2 seconds.
>> 
>> I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it
>> immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any
>> config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being
>> called. scdaemon isn't installed.
>> 
>> Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and
>> prevent my SSD from being worn out?
> 
> echo disable-scdaemon >> $HOME/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
> 
> Also, gpg-agent(1).
> 
> 

Thanks Reco I had tried logging out but it seems I had to reboot to stop the 
error messages. I had missed the reference to  "Note, that enabling this 
option at runtime does not kill an already forked scdaemon" in the man page.

It all looks OK now


Rob

Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Teemu Likonen]

Teemu Likonen [2017-01-27 19:06:13+02] wrote:

> See /usr/share/doc/gnupg/README.Debian

Sorry, that should be /usr/share/doc/gnupg-agent/README.Debian

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Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Teemu Likonen]

Bob Brewer [2017-01-27 15:40:27Z] wrote:

> I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from 
> gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in 
> syslog:
>
> gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed
>
> this is repeated every 2 seconds.
>
> I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it 
> immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any 
> config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being 
> called. scdaemon isn't installed.

If you want to prevent gpg-agent from starting you can do it with this:

$ systemctl --user mask --now gpg-agent.service gpg-agent.socket \
gpg-agent-ssh.socket gpg-agent-extra.socket \
gpg-agent-browser.socket

See /usr/share/doc/gnupg/README.Debian

> Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and
> prevent my SSD from being worn out?

To just prevent log spamming I think this will do it: Create file
~/.config/systemd/user/gpg-agent.service.d/logspam.conf with the
following content (without the four-space indentation):

[Service]
StandardOutput=null
StandardError=null

And then:

$ systemctl --user daemon-reload
$ systemctl --user stop gpg-agent.service

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Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Bob Brewer]

Reco wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:27 +
> Bob Brewer  wrote:
> 
>> I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from
>> gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in
>> syslog:
>> 
>> gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed
>> 
>> this is repeated every 2 seconds.
>> 
>> I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it
>> immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any
>> config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being
>> called. scdaemon isn't installed.
>> 
>> Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and
>> prevent my SSD from being worn out?
> 
> echo disable-scdaemon >> $HOME/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
> 
> Also, gpg-agent(1).
> 
>

Thank you for your suggestion but sadly after adding this to gpg-agent.conf 
the syslog is still growing. 


Rob

Re: Early boot became slower

[Mattia Oss]

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 04:14:57AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> Mattia Oss composed on 2017-01-27 01:34 (UTC+0100):
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 02:18:36PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> > > For the boot menu, or after?
> 
> > To clarify I uploaded some videos (sorry for the crappy quality :/ )
> 
> You haven't answered my question.

Well, apparently you haven't seen my videos. Anyway: right after the
grub menu.

> None of those play for me. The resolution on the initial screens is so poor

This sentence doesn't make sense. Did you play them or not?
They are 1920x1080 with h264 codec in a Matroska container. I think
that's pretty standard. Which player did you use?

By the way, the point of the videos was to show the entity of the
slowdown and, most importantly, WHEN this occurs. Not to show the output.
If you need the kernel output I will provide it by other means, but
certainly not in a video.

> that I can't make out anything useful except to suggest to remove quiet the
> splash= parameter from the cmdline (or change it to splash=0) and see what
> happens without the graphical background or the output supression.

I don't have the splash or quiet parameter in grub (are you using
ubuntu?) but if I use GRUB_TERMINAL=console or GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text 
I get a super fast and super ugly output. This can be seen in the 3rd
video. And that's what I'm using right now.

Anyway thanks for the effort, much appreciated. :)

Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Edwin De La Cruz]

El 27/1/2017 11:34 AM, "Matias Mucciolo"  escribió:



On Friday 27 January 2017 14:59:16 arnau Casau wrote:
> Hola muy buenas, desde hace una semana adquirí un nuevo portátil con el
cuál he
> tenido muchos problemas con los drivers en el touchpad en la versión 8.7
de
> Debian (Kernel 3.16). He probado a actualizar a Debian Stretch (Kernel
4.8)
> en el cuál funciona perfectamente.
>
> Hoy he actualizado mi Debian (apt full-upgrade) i he visto que hay una
> nueva versión del Kernel, la 4.9. Bien, con dicha versión se me hace
> imposible trabajar, se me cuelga constantemente, no me permite abrir la
> ventana de configuración ni un simple navegador como Firefox.
>
> Mi pregunta era que si los bugs en la versión 4.9 son "normales" y
> están reportados
> o si es problema solo mio. Aclaro que utilizo Gnome como escritorio pero
> también he probado con KDE y estoy en las mismas.

Hola
si queres algo "estable"  y necesitas un kernel reciente
quedate en debian 8.7 y usa un kernel del backport.

seguro que al actualizar a Stretch estas hiteando varios bugs.
no solo del kernel en si.


--
Matias

La semana pasada tuve un problema similar y fueron los drivers de video...
los problemas eran similares.
Ahora ya va todo bien.

Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Matias Mucciolo]

On Friday 27 January 2017 14:59:16 arnau Casau wrote:
> Hola muy buenas, desde hace una semana adquirí un nuevo portátil con el cuál 
> he
> tenido muchos problemas con los drivers en el touchpad en la versión 8.7 de
> Debian (Kernel 3.16). He probado a actualizar a Debian Stretch (Kernel 4.8)
> en el cuál funciona perfectamente.
> 
> Hoy he actualizado mi Debian (apt full-upgrade) i he visto que hay una
> nueva versión del Kernel, la 4.9. Bien, con dicha versión se me hace
> imposible trabajar, se me cuelga constantemente, no me permite abrir la
> ventana de configuración ni un simple navegador como Firefox.
> 
> Mi pregunta era que si los bugs en la versión 4.9 son "normales" y
> están reportados
> o si es problema solo mio. Aclaro que utilizo Gnome como escritorio pero
> también he probado con KDE y estoy en las mismas.

Hola
si queres algo "estable"  y necesitas un kernel reciente
quedate en debian 8.7 y usa un kernel del backport.

seguro que al actualizar a Stretch estas hiteando varios bugs.
no solo del kernel en si.


-- 
Matias

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[Anuradha]

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Re: sobre SPAM

[Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le ven. 27 janv. 2017 à 13:56, Antonio Terceiro  
a écrit :


as listas no alioth (lists.alioth.debian.org) infelizmente não tem 
uma

solução integrada de antispam, então não tem muito o que fazer.


Por outro lado a página da debian-br-geral@l.a.d.o lista 
administradores, a quem se pode escrever.

Re: sobre SPAM

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:10:49AM -0300, Thiago Canuto Ferreira wrote:
> Bom dia pessoal.
> 
> Hoje voltei a receber spam com a seguinte mensagem:
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. ? Estas pessoas est?o ? sua espera para conversar! (Twoo)
> 
> Na lista debian-br-ge...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> 
> Entrei na pág. deste post:
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-br-geral/2017-January/000890.html
>  , porém não possue o botão de "Report as spam".

as listas no alioth (lists.alioth.debian.org) infelizmente não tem uma
solução integrada de antispam, então não tem muito o que fazer.


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Re: gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:27 +
Bob Brewer  wrote:

> I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from 
> gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in 
> syslog:
> 
> gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed
> 
> this is repeated every 2 seconds.
> 
> I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it 
> immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any 
> config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being 
> called. scdaemon isn't installed.
> 
> Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and prevent 
> my SSD from being worn out?

echo disable-scdaemon >> $HOME/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf

Also, gpg-agent(1).

Reco

gpg-agent spamming syslog

[Bob Brewer]

I'm running up-to-date Debian Sid and since gnupg-agent was upgraded from 
gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.1.17-3), I have been seeing the following error in 
syslog:

gpg-agent[7545]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC connect call failed

this is repeated every 2 seconds.

I have tried killing gpg-agent with gpgconf --kill gpg-agent but it 
immediately restarts presumably called by systemd but I can't find any 
config files associated with gpg-agent to see where scdaemon is being 
called. scdaemon isn't installed.

Any suggestions where to look for the cause of the syslog error and prevent 
my SSD from being worn out?

Thankyou

Rob


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.0
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)

Versions of packages gnupg-agent depends on:
ii  libassuan0  2.4.3-2
ii  libc6   2.24-9
ii  libgcrypt20 1.7.6-1
ii  libgpg-error0   1.26-2
ii  libnpth01.3-1
ii  libreadline77.0-2
ii  pinentry-gnome3 [pinentry]  1.0.0-1
ii  pinentry-gtk2 [pinentry]1.0.0-1

Versions of packages gnupg-agent recommends:
ii  gnupg  2.1.18-3
ii  gpgsm  2.1.18-3

Versions of packages gnupg-agent suggests:
ii  dbus-user-session  1.10.14-1
ii  libpam-systemd 232-14
ii  pinentry-gnome31.0.0-1
pn  scdaemon   

-- no debconf information

Invocation dependent bug for gdebi-gtk

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/27/2017 07:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

[snip]
I then tried gdebi-gtk to see if it would be more helpful. Wasn't.
It displayed the same innocuous information as gedebi.
Lead to same general breakage. I'm not sure whether it was my
previous repair experience or a more helpful post-mortem but the
repair was faster this time.

I believe I have *found a bug* in both gdebi and gdebi-gtk.
However I doubt filing a bug report would trigger any action as:
   1. I am restricted to what would be considered "old" as I am
*bandwidth limited*.
  [ that's why I install from DVDs ]
   2. The bug is likely observable only for a narrow set of
circumstances.

In my circumstances, how can I avoid "Breaks: mate-desktop (<<
1.10.2-1~), mate-desktop-common (<< 1.10.1-2)" with a minimal use
of available bandwidth?
I'm assuming I need to be pointed to suitable documentation as an
answer would likely be longer than appropriate for post.



If I double click on the .deb file in file manager I am given 
option to open with "Gdebi" which results in screen _APPARENTLY_ 
from gdebi-gtk.


*HOWEVER* it reports missing dependency in bold red letters.
Invocation of gdebi-gtk from command line gave no such warning.

Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Brian]

On Fri 27 Jan 2017 at 07:42:27 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...Lots of snipping...]

> The underlying condition that triggered all the "observables" is that the
> .deb in [2] is not compatible with Mate delivered on Debian 8.6.0 DVDs.

[2] is 
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mate-desktop/1.10.2-1/#mate-user-guide_1.10.2-1

Very unusual. This is a documentation package and is highly unlikely to
have any complex dependencies. Indeed, the only dependency is yelp.

What does "not compatible" mean? How did you discover this? There are
messages or logs to accompany your experience?

BTW. I've just installed the package on a Jessie GNOME machine.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 27/01/17 a las 15:59, arnau Casau escribió:
> Hola muy buenas, desde hace una semana adquirí un nuevo portátil con
> el cuál he tenido muchos problemas con los drivers en el touchpad en
> la versión 8.7 de Debian (Kernel 3.16). He probado a actualizar a Debian
> Stretch (Kernel 4.8) en el cuál funciona perfectamente.
> 
> Hoy he actualizado mi Debian (apt full-upgrade) i he visto que hay una
> nueva versión del Kernel, la 4.9. Bien, con dicha versión se me hace
> imposible trabajar, se me cuelga constantemente, no me permite abrir la
> ventana de configuración ni un simple navegador como Firefox.
> 
> Mi pregunta era que si los bugs en la versión 4.9 son "normales"
> y están reportados o si es problema solo mio. Aclaro que utilizo Gnome como
> escritorio pero también he probado con KDE y estoy en las mismas.

¿Y...no te será mejor compilar el kernel de Linux? ;-)

Yo lo hago. Hasta ahora, a mí no me falla ni a la de tres.

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Debian touchpad / kernel 4.9

[arnau Casau]

Hola muy buenas, desde hace una semana adquirí un nuevo portátil con el cuál he
tenido muchos problemas con los drivers en el touchpad en la versión 8.7 de
Debian (Kernel 3.16). He probado a actualizar a Debian Stretch (Kernel 4.8)
en el cuál funciona perfectamente.

Hoy he actualizado mi Debian (apt full-upgrade) i he visto que hay una
nueva versión del Kernel, la 4.9. Bien, con dicha versión se me hace
imposible trabajar, se me cuelga constantemente, no me permite abrir la
ventana de configuración ni un simple navegador como Firefox.

Mi pregunta era que si los bugs en la versión 4.9 son "normales" y
están reportados
o si es problema solo mio. Aclaro que utilizo Gnome como escritorio pero
también he probado con KDE y estoy en las mismas.

hi Debian

[tim.harrison]

hi Debian


http://guy-duncan.com/tentedit.php?well=s2cayqbdb27yz9s8





tim.harrison

Re: Installing a package downloaded from snapshot - was [Re: Mate error message under Debian 8.6.0]

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/26/2017 10:12 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 08:00:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/20/2016 09:10 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2016-12-20 08:34 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


When I right click on the top panel and then chose "Help" I
receive
"Could not display help document 'mate-user-guide'. The
specified
location is not supported."

As I do not have adequate bandwidth for install from internet
I use
purchased sets of DVDs. I assumed the document had not been
on DVD1. I
used Synaptic to add the other 12 DVDs. I searched for
'mate-user-guide' without success.

Where would the required documentation be?


Apparently it was only packaged after the Jessie release, due
to some
licensing issues (GFDL) in versions prior to 1.10.  You could
install
the version from testing[1] or an older one from
snapshot.debian.org[2].
The latter is probably preferable, since it's closer to the mate
version in stable.

Alternatively, Linux Mint has a 1.8.1 version in their
repositories[3]
which you could install.  Here is the usual disclaimer:
inspect the
package before you install it, and if there's any file
conflict with
Debian packages you are on your own.

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mate-user-guide
2.
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/mate-desktop/1.10.2-1/#mate-user-guide_1.10.2-1

3.
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/import/m/mate-desktop/mate-user-guide_1.8.1-0_all.deb





I have cleared up some unrelated problems.
I have downloaded the package referenced in [2] as recommended.
How do I install it? A reading assignment would be appreciated.
TIA


I find the most reliable method for installing downloaded deb
files is to use the gdebi (or gdebi-kde if you prefer) package.
You can configure your file manager to associate *.deb files with
gdebi-gtk (the executable shipped in the gdebi package) or you
can run "gdebi-gtk /path/to/*.deb" at a command line (I believe
gdebi will ask for superuser privileges ONLY when it needs them).

gdebi lets you look at the contents of the package before
installation and, unlike dpkg, it knows about dependencies so it
can tell you before you install the file whether you already have
everything installed, whether the requirements are unsatisfiable
(as would be the case for some 'foreign' packages) or, if
packages need to be installed, they will be installed at the same
time as the package (so no need for apt's "fix-broken" option).



It was not a "success" but I would hesitate to label it a "failure".
It was a _valuable_ experience as it highlighted problems in 
divers areas.


The underlying condition that triggered all the "observables" is 
that the .deb in [2] is not compatible with Mate delivered on 
Debian 8.6.0 DVDs.


Having read only the man page for gdebi my first attempt used it, 
rather than gdebi-gtk. After displaying some general descriptive 
information, it displayed:


Do you want to install the software package? [y/N]:

From what had been displayed, I saw no reason not to respond "y" :<
It then proceed to attempt to install the package *BREAKING* my 
installed desktop.
I don't know just how much it broke and how much *I broke* in my 
initial repair attempt.
This was the "_valuable_ experience" referred to. Took a while 
but I fixed it.


I then tried gdebi-gtk to see if it would be more helpful. Wasn't.
It displayed the same innocuous information as gedebi.
Lead to same general breakage. I'm not sure whether it was my 
previous repair experience or a more helpful post-mortem but the 
repair was faster this time.


I believe I have *found a bug* in both gdebi and gdebi-gtk.
However I doubt filing a bug report would trigger any action as:
  1. I am restricted to what would be considered "old" as I am 
*bandwidth limited*.

 [ that's why I install from DVDs ]
  2. The bug is likely observable only for a narrow set of 
circumstances.


In my circumstances, how can I avoid "Breaks: mate-desktop (<< 
1.10.2-1~), mate-desktop-common (<< 1.10.1-2)" with a minimal use 
of available bandwidth?
I'm assuming I need to be pointed to suitable documentation as an 
answer would likely be longer than appropriate for post.


TIA

Re: sobre SPAM

[Thiago Canuto Ferreira]

Bom dia pessoal.

Hoje voltei a receber spam com a seguinte mensagem:

Today's Topics:

   1. ? Estas pessoas est?o ? sua espera para conversar! (Twoo)

Na lista debian-br-ge...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Entrei na pág. deste post:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-br-geral/2017-January/000890.html
 , porém não possue o botão de "Report as spam".



-- 
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Re: Crowdfunding da MiniDebConf Curitiba 2017

[Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana]

Olá,

Faltam apenas R$ 500,00 para conseguirmos bater a meta de arrecadação da 
MiniDebConf Curitiba 2017!

Você pode contribuir com qualquer valor. Mais informações no link abaixo:
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Abraços,

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> Para: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 20 de janeiro de 2017 14:21:57
> Assunto: Crowdfunding da MiniDebConf Curitiba 2017

> Olá pessoal,
> 
> Atingimos 27% da meta do crowdfunding da MiniDebConf Curitiba 2017.
> Você pode contribuir com qualquer valor para ajudar na realização do evento.
> 
> Mais informações:
> http://br2017.mini.debconf.org/doacao.shtml
> 
> Ah, e obrigado as pessoas que já doaram. Os nomes estão listados lá na página
> como forma de agradecimento.
> 
> Abraços,
> 
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> Membro da Comunidade Curitiba Livre
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> 
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Membro da Comunidade Curitiba Livre
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Re: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) downloads incorrect version

[Sven Hartge]

David Wittman  wrote:

>> 3.16.0-4 is *not* the kernel version but the ABI name used.

> I feel dumb for asking, but the output of uname is not the exact
> kernel version I'm running? That seems contradictory to everything
> I've learned and read... including what I just read here[1]:

>> Kernel version 
>> This is the version that appears in kernel messages,
>> filenames, package names and the output of 'uname -r'.

> [1]: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html

You have to quote the whole paragraph:

,
| Upstream version
| The version that Linus or a stable series maintainer uses for a release.
| Currently Linus will use the version format: 4.x[-rcy]. Stable series
| maintainers use the version format: 4.x.y.
`

,
| Kernel version
| This is the version that appears in kernel messages, filenames, package
| names and the output of 'uname -r'. In official kernel packages it
| follows the format upstreamversion[-abiname][-featureset]-flavour. It is
| not changed for every new package version. The abiname is changed as
| explained below.
|
| Many programs parse the kernel version string reported by the uname
| system call or command and expect to find at least 3 version components
| separated by dots. For compatibility, the official kernel packages
| currently add '.0' to the upstream version.
`

So the upstream version is "3.16" (without the added stable release
minor-number), a '.0' is appended and then the ABI version is added,
"-4" in the current case.

This has to be put into the value visible by "uname -r", because all
kernel with the same ABI are binary compatible and modules don't need
recompiling. But all tools use the string from "uname -r" to decide if
the module needs updating, so the Debian maintainers decided to put the
ABI into that value and the real version (including compile date) is
available via "uname -v".

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Early boot became slower

[Felix Miata]

Mattia Oss composed on 2017-01-27 01:34 (UTC+0100):


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 02:18:36PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:



For the boot menu, or after?



To clarify I uploaded some videos (sorry for the crappy quality :/ )


You haven't answered my question.


linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64:
https://goo.gl/TsXUBB



This was the last kernel with fast boot. In /etc/default/grub I had:
GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep



Since linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64 the boot process is slower.
linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64:
https://goo.gl/buOcpj



ok it's not that slow but I think the difference is quite visible.
I said that the problem may be the framebuffer (vesafb/simplefb) only
because this was the only big difference in the 2 dmesg. But it can be
anything.



This is what I used for the moment.
linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64 with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text:
https://goo.gl/16MJgc


None of those play for me. The resolution on the initial screens is so poor that 
I can't make out anything useful except to suggest to remove quiet the splash= 
parameter from the cmdline (or change it to splash=0) and see what happens 
without the graphical background or the output supression.



If after, what gfxchip do you have, maybe something other than NVidia,
AMD/ATI or Intel? Use 'lspci | grep VGA' or 'inxi -c0 -G' to report here.



00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen 
Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] 
Hawaii XT / Grenada XT [Radeon R9 290X/390X]


I don't have any AMD gfx that new around here. I have the same Intel gfx as you 
on my newest machine and no problem with any kernel going back all the way to 
when the machine was brand new going on two years ago.



Video= tells the kernel to use the specified mode for the KMS framebuffers.
Pick a mode that matches your display's native resolution to get the
smallest possible text.



If one of the above produce a result you like, you can reconfigure Grub to



I tried with video=1920x1080 but there's no difference.


On those initial video screens I see no evidence of any "huge" characters.
--
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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