Re: Printing packages

[Rodolfo Medina]

Lisi Reisz  writes:

> On Saturday 04 March 2017 21:33:44 Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> Brian  writes:
>> > Try
>> >
>> >   apt-get purge cups
>> >
>> > Don't say "yes"!
>>
>> That command will only show, among the packages that depend on cups, the
>> ones that are *already* installed on your system, won't it...?
>>
>> Rodolfo
>
> You certainly shouldn't try that Rudolpho!!  It was aimed at me - and yes 
> Brian, you are of course right - I tried it once longer ago than I am 
> prepared to admit to remembering.  (I was told to do it - with good reason.  
> And did it, not knowing what to expect!)


I know I shouldn't say `yes'...

Rodolfo

Re: Correction: Re: Printing packages

[Rodolfo Medina]

Lisi Reisz  writes:

> On Sunday 05 March 2017 02:52:25 Doug wrote:
>> On 03/04/2017 03:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:12:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> >> <$aptitude search
>> >> cups | less.>,
>> >
>> > <$aptitude search cups | less>
>> >
>> > No full stop.  (Point?  it is nearly 65 years since I did 6th grade!!)
>> >
>> > Lisi
>>
>> We in the New World call it a period.
>
> Of course!  Sorry, senior moment.  Point was the next (French) school. ;-(
>
> Lisi


Here in Italy we call it `punto'.

Rodolfo

Re: Re: Abrir puerto de mi equipo para permitir acceso externo

[ariana vargas]

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Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 22:15:18 +0100 didier gaumet
 wrote:

> Le 04/03/2017 à 16:19, Patrick Bartek a écrit :
> 
> > I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox.
> [...]
> > also looked at AntiX and mx-16. They are systemd free, too, but as
> > with Devuan both are based on Jessie.. 
> [...]
> 
> last stable version available, five years support and systemd-free but
> not linux-based: would FreeBSD 11 be an option?

Have little experience with any flavor of BSD other than some
cursory reading.  Always considered BSD more for servers than general
user systems.  But I'll look into it.  It's been years.

Thanks.

B

Re: Issues with KDE from Debian Stretch [was: Upgrading Jessie to Stretch]

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Sven.

On 04/03/17 19:16, Sven Joachim wrote:

>> Given that Stretch is in the final freeze phase, I thought it was a good
>> idea to upgrade my desktop computer from Jessie to Stretch to start
>> getting used to using it.
>>
>> After updating to the latest version of stable and changing "jessie" to
>> "stretch" in sources.list, I started with the usual procedure: updating
>> APT and other utilities, to have available the improvements that have
>> been introduced.

> I'm not sure if this has actually been recommended for the last few
> releases, and for Stretch it is almost certainly a bad idea.

According to what I have documented in my Dokuwiki, it was that way used
for me to start the process of upgrading from Squeeze to Wheezy, and
from Wheezy to Jessie:


# aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade -V

(change "jessie" to "stretch" on /etc/apt/source.list)

# apt-get update
# apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude -V

(...)


And I had no problems on those occasions. But perhaps it is not
applicable this time.

>> # apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude -V
>>
>> But this seems to cause some VLC dependencies to break:
>>
>> 
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
>> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
>> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
>> or been moved out of Incoming.
>> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>>
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>  libvlccore8 : Breaks: vlc (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
>> installed
>>Breaks: vlc-nox (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
>> installed
>> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
>> caused by held packages.
>> 
>>
>> Did this happen to anyone else?

> Probably yes, because of the libstdc++6 transition[1,2] that required
> changing the package name of many C++ libraries and an unusually high
> amount of Breaks.
> 
> Your best bet is probably to just try "apt-get dist-upgrade" and if that
> does not work, file a bug against the upgrade-reports pseudopackage.
> 
> Good luck,
> Sven
> 
> 
> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/07/msg0.html
> 2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/08/msg2.html

Thanks for the references. Thanks also, Lisi, for your interest.

I've tried a different approach, starting with a minimal upgrade using
"apt-get upgrade -V", and then upgrading the kernel and udev. Finally a
complete upgrade with "apt-get dist-upgrade -V". On that way I can
upgrade without problems.

Now I have some issues with KDE. I'm not sure if it have to do with the
video driver, but when I open an application or interact with KDE, the
image starts shaking and some areas turn black. Below a screenshot.

https://ibin.co/3ETGMDNvhA2G.png
https://ibin.co/3ETGUxOa9reG.png

Thank you in advance for your help.


Kind regards,
Daniel




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Re: [DebianOn] laptop for development with hibernation? [ThinkPad W550s]

[Celejar]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:55:26 +0100
Stanislaw Findeisen  wrote:

> Hi folks
> 
> I have a simple task: find a developer (programming) laptop which works
> reasobably well with current Debian Stable. I am particularly interested
> in smooth hibernation and WiFi as I am often on the go.
> 
> I can see DebianOn: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ but it
> is very fragmented. For example the latest Dell XPS to claim it has
> hibernation working is a 2013 model:
> https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209333 .

I'm runninng mostly stable, with some backports and unstable, and
vanilla kernels self-built from upstream sources, on a ThinkPad W550s.

* WiFi works well, currently with 'firmware-iwlwifi' from backports
(ISTR having had trouble with disconnects and / or other flakiness
using stable's 'firmware-iwlwifi').

* suspend-to-ram worked out of the box, but only via the Xfce4
mechanisms - the Fn key doesn't do anything. [I have not tried other
mechanisms.] [I haven't tried suspend-to-disk, since suspend-to-ram is
sufficient for me, although I suppose s2disk is better from a security
perspective, insofar as one is using full disk encryption.]

* In general, some of the Fn keys work, and some don't: screen
brightness up/down work, but mute, volume up/down, suspend, and
hibernate don't.

* My version of the W550s has a "high DPI" screen: 2880*1620 ('3K').
Support for high DPI in stable is pretty spotty: installation went
fine, but the console uses such tiny fonts that it is barely readable.
Xfce4, too, needed tweaking to render it usable. In general, you can
search the web to find the various tweaks that will improve usability,
but it's a pain - the information is scattered, rarely authoritative,
and often outdated (and as is often the case, much of the better
documentation comes from other distros, such as Arch).

* Battery charging control needs the 'tlp' and 'acpi-call' packages
(the older 'tp-smapi' software no longer works on recent ThinkPads)
- not well documented on ThinkWiki, which seems these days to be geared
more toward older ThinkPads (I know, it's a Wiki, and I should update it
with all this stuff ...)

* This is a big one: support for the integrated Intel graphics (5500)
is incomplete / buggy in stable's X packages. I had terrible screen
tearing (and possibly other problems), which seem to have gone away
with the installation of backport packages. [The machine also has a
Quadro K620M, but I haven't tried it yet.]

Celejar

Re: Upgrading Jessie to Stretch

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 March 2017 22:16:49 Sven Joachim wrote:
> Your best bet is probably to just try "apt-get dist-upgrade" and if that
> does not work, file a bug against the upgrade-reports pseudopackage.

As general advice to the nervous among us, does one 1) wait a bit; or 2) do a 
fresh install and move data across?

Lisi

Re: -dec-terminal fonts

[Harry Putnam]

Siard  writes:

[...]

> So, tech14.pcf.gz etc. are the fonts you're looking for.

Thanks for the leg work.. gives a good start.  Except I think you may
have meant to say:
  /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:termB14.pcf.gz
and
  /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:term14.pcf.gz

 writes:

[...]

>   COPYRIGHT
>   Copyright (c) 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
>   _DEC_PRODUCTINFO
>   DECterm Fonts V2.2, 11-Nov-1991
>   FULL_NAME
>   Terminal
>   FONT
>   -DEC-Terminal-Medium-R-Normal--14-140-75-75-C-80-ISO8859-1
>   WEIGHT
>   [...]
>
> That looks promising, does it? Now -- which package provided that?
>   tomas@rasputin:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/term14.pcf.gz
>   xfonts-75dpi: /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/term14.pcf.gz


That was a heck of a walk thru... gives all kinds of help.. thanks

I see now that they are part of the `xfonts-75dpi' package on the
repos 

Re: Printing packages

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 March 2017 21:33:44 Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Brian  writes:
> > Try
> >
> >   apt-get purge cups
> >
> > Don't say "yes"!
>
> That command will only show, among the packages that depend on cups, the
> ones that are *already* installed on your system, won't it...?
>
> Rodolfo

You certainly shouldn't try that Rudolpho!!  It was aimed at me - and yes 
Brian, you are of course right - I tried it once longer ago than I am 
prepared to admit to remembering.  (I was told to do it - with good reason.  
And did it, not knowing what to expect!)

Lisi

Re: Correction: Re: Printing packages

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 05 March 2017 02:52:25 Doug wrote:
> On 03/04/2017 03:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:12:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> <$aptitude search
> >> cups | less.>,
> >
> > <$aptitude search cups | less>
> >
> > No full stop.  (Point?  it is nearly 65 years since I did 6th grade!!)
> >
> > Lisi
>
> We in the New World call it a period.

Of course!  Sorry, senior moment.  Point was the next (French) school. ;-(

Lisi

Re: Upgrading Jessie to Stretch

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-03-04 18:53 -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> Given that Stretch is in the final freeze phase, I thought it was a good
> idea to upgrade my desktop computer from Jessie to Stretch to start
> getting used to using it.
>
> After updating to the latest version of stable and changing "jessie" to
> "stretch" in sources.list, I started with the usual procedure: updating
> APT and other utilities, to have available the improvements that have
> been introduced.

I'm not sure if this has actually been recommended for the last few
releases, and for Stretch it is almost certainly a bad idea.

> # apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude -V
>
> But this seems to cause some VLC dependencies to break:
>
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libvlccore8 : Breaks: vlc (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
> installed
>Breaks: vlc-nox (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
> installed
> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
> caused by held packages.
> 
>
> Did this happen to anyone else?

Probably yes, because of the libstdc++6 transition[1,2] that required
changing the package name of many C++ libraries and an unusually high
amount of Breaks.

Your best bet is probably to just try "apt-get dist-upgrade" and if that
does not work, file a bug against the upgrade-reports pseudopackage.

Good luck,
Sven


1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/07/msg0.html
2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/08/msg2.html

Upgrading Jessie to Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi all!

Given that Stretch is in the final freeze phase, I thought it was a good
idea to upgrade my desktop computer from Jessie to Stretch to start
getting used to using it.

After updating to the latest version of stable and changing "jessie" to
"stretch" in sources.list, I started with the usual procedure: updating
APT and other utilities, to have available the improvements that have
been introduced.

# apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude -V

But this seems to cause some VLC dependencies to break:


Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libvlccore8 : Breaks: vlc (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
installed
   Breaks: vlc-nox (< 2.2.4-7~) but 2.2.4-1~deb8u1 is to be
installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
caused by held packages.


Did this happen to anyone else?


Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Correction: Re: Printing packages

[Doug]

On 03/04/2017 03:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:12:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:

<$aptitude search
cups | less.>,

<$aptitude search cups | less>

No full stop.  (Point?  it is nearly 65 years since I did 6th grade!!)

Lisi



We in the New World call it a period.

Re: se connecter à une machine distante via ssh

[François TOURDE]

Le 17229ième jour après Epoch,
Alex PADOLY écrivait:

> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Je dois me connecter à un serveur dédié dans lequel est installé
> Debian 8. Mon laptop utilise Debian 7.8. J'ai installé ssh.
>
> Dans une fenêtre terminal, je tape
>
> ssh root@123.456.789.10
> L'adresse que j'ai indiqué esrt adresse ficive.

Oui, c'est rare de voir des octets dépassant 255 ;-) ... Mais qui sait,
avec l'inflation, tout augmente...

> Le système me demande un mot de passe, mais il est impossible de le
> saisir, le curseur de mon terminal ne bouge plus.
> Seule la touche ''Enter'' a une action.

C'est un mécanisme volontaire, qui évite que le mot de passe soit
affiché à l'écran. Il faut saisir le mot de passe comme si il
s'affichait.

> De ce fait la connexion à mon serveur dédié est refusé.

Un message d'erreur correspondant à "refusé" ?

Petit bonus de réponse:

Il n'est pas judicieux d'utiliser les mots de passe avec ssh, surtout
pour l'utilisateur root. Il est préférable de faire ça avec des cles
DSA ou RSA.

Re: Printing packages

[Rodolfo Medina]

Brian  writes:

> Try
>
>   apt-get purge cups
>
> Don't say "yes"!


That command will only show, among the packages that depend on cups, the ones
that are *already* installed on your system, won't it...?

Rodolfo

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

[didier gaumet]

Le 04/03/2017 à 16:19, Patrick Bartek a écrit :

> I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox.
[...]
> also looked at AntiX and mx-16. They are systemd free, too, but as with
> Devuan both are based on Jessie.. 
[...]

last stable version available, five years support and systemd-free but
not linux-based: would FreeBSD 11 be an option?

Re: [SOLVED = YES thnx2Frank] www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[Frank]

Op 04-03-17 om 21:04 schreef GiaThnYgeia:

SOLVED=YES LEARNING A NEW TRICK=YES YES YES


:)


Thank you, you made a waste of a day receive high value.  I now have the
other half of the weekend to investigate why all my multimedia packages
have multimedia-upgrades/revisions within testing.


It's probably too late now to tell you I actually wouldn't advise using 
deb-multimedia...



deb [ trusted=yes ] http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free


OK, it worked, but what was the issue would I ever know?  Too many keys
in the keyring? I don't think so.  Just for kicks I added some other
distributions repository (testing based) and it didn't have such a
problem.  Maybe some public key-certificate somewhere where multimedia
is not registered yet as trustworthy?


Unlikely. And the deb line I showed (but without the trusted=yes bit) is 
nothing special. No idea why it didn't work for you before.



Thank you again, you really made my day,


You're welcome.

Regards,
Frank

Re: Printing packages

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 20:12:49 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> Why, since you are using aptitude, not keep things simple? You actually want 
> to run CUPS, so <$ aptitude search cups>, then gulp and <$aptitude search 
> cups | less.>, which will give you all the packages with cups in the name.
> 
> Or in Jessie, <$aptitude show cups>, but for that you need to know, or try 
> guessing, that cups is a meta-package, which it may not be in Sid.  So start 
> with aptitude search and read patiently through what it says.

Good advice and I know you like to learn things too. cups is not a
metapackage. Removing a metapackage does not remove the packages it
installed. Try

  apt-get purge cups

Don't say "yes"!

-- 
Brian.

Correction: Re: Printing packages

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:12:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> <$aptitude search
> cups | less.>,

<$aptitude search cups | less>

No full stop.  (Point?  it is nearly 65 years since I did 6th grade!!)

Lisi

Re: Printing packages

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 March 2017 19:53:39 Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Cindy-Sue Causey  writes:
> > On 3/4/17, Brian  wrote:
> >> On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 18:18:03 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >>> In order to print, I used to do:
> >>>
> >>>  # aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client libcupsimage2
> >>> cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys-driver-gutenprint gs-esp
> >>>
> >>> , but now cupsys seems not to exist any more.  Please, what packages
> >>> now should
> >>> I install in place of those above?  I'm running Sid.
> >>
> >> cupsys disappeared many, many moons ago. You want
> >>
> >>   apt-get install cups
> >
> > Brian's answers are always wonderfully short. Yay, him! :D
> >
> > What I do for something like this (when I don't know something like
> > that cupsys is no longer) is I go down the line trying to install the
> > various packages by themselves, too. Sometimes (aka *not always*) that
> > will trigger my favored package manager to install the newer version
> > replacement as part of the dependency functions of the various package
> > installers...
> >
> > When that doesn't work, I regress to attempting a package manager
> > query using only outstanding pieces of the name (e.g. "gutenprint")
> > related to whatever package appears to no longer be available.
> >
> > AND/OR
> >
> > Another angle of attack is to query for the "depends" and "rdepends"
> > (reverse depends) of any notable package names among the list I might
> > be trying to install. An example is that i just tried
> > "printer-driver-gutenprint":
> >
> > +++
> >
> > candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache depends printer-driver-gutenprint
> > printer-driver-gutenprint
> >   Depends: libc6
> >   Depends: libcups2
> >   Depends: libcupsimage2
> >   Depends: libgutenprint2
> >   Depends: libusb-1.0-0
> >   Depends: cups
> >   Depends: cups-client
> >
> >  |Depends: cups-filters
> >
> >   Depends: 
> >   Suggests: gutenprint-doc
> >   Suggests: gutenprint-locales
> >
> > candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache rdepends printer-driver-gutenprint
> > printer-driver-gutenprint
> > Reverse Depends:
> >   gutenprint-doc
> >   printer-driver-all-enforce
> >   printer-driver-all
> >   cups
> >   parl-desktop-strict
> >   cups-daemon
> >
> > +++
> >
> > Just thinking out loud Most definitely not as succinctly as
> > Brian. *indubitably*
> >
> > Cindy :)
>
> Well, he only answered to my first question... ;-)
>
> thanks,
>
> Rodolfo

Why, since you are using aptitude, not keep things simple? You actually want 
to run CUPS, so <$ aptitude search cups>, then gulp and <$aptitude search 
cups | less.>, which will give you all the packages with cups in the name.

Or in Jessie, <$aptitude show cups>, but for that you need to know, or try 
guessing, that cups is a meta-package, which it may not be in Sid.  So start 
with aptitude search and read patiently through what it says.

Lisi

Re: Skype

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/8/17, deloptes  wrote:
> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
>>> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
 Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
>>> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
>>> chrome too?
>>
>> I have not tried a video call.
>>
>>> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
>> Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
>> Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
>>
>>> Very nice world!
>>
>> Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
>>
>> Kind regards,
>
> Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
> its middle ages  unfortunately no one gets it ATM.
>
> If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll
> need
> to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
> desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
> recently from the linux side.


Final thought first: My apt-cache query wandering while pondering this
thread landed me at "libpurple0". Am posting a resulting "apt-cache
show libpurple0" for listserv posterity because of this snippet that
was part of that query result:

"Conflicts: network-manager (<< 0.9.0)"

I wonder... I wonder if there's something similarly different that
could be found by running that kind of search on whatever package
names you all are using when you run into those moments of
non-functioning.

Now my original (not succinct) post

Another just thinking out loud moment.. Up front, I realize this might
not fulfill the exact feature that's needed, particularly since I'm
not seeing Skype referenced, but am forwarding anyway. Maybe it
provides something that could be adapted, yada-yada

A few weeks ago I tripped over a package called "Finch" while looking
for something else. I literally LOL'ed k/t their name with respect to
the whole pidgin/tweet scenario. From an "apt-cache show finch" query:

++ BEGIN FINCH PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++

Maintainer: Ari Pollak 

Depends: pidgin-data, pidgin-data, libc6, libgadu3, libglib2.0-0,
libgstreamer1.0-0, libncursesw5, libpurple0, libtinfo5, libxml2
Suggests: libx11-6

Description-en: text-based multi-protocol instant messaging client
 Finch is a text/console-based, modular instant messaging client capable of
 using multiple networks at once. Currently supported are:
 AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu,
 Bonjour, Groupwise, Sametime, SIMPLE, MySpaceIM, and MXit.
 .
 Some extra packages are suggested to use increased functionality:
  * libx11-6
- To use the Clipboard and/or Toaster plugins.

Homepage: http://www.pidgin.im

++ END FINCH PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++

I'm looking at the "depends" there. That "purple" is familiar as being
something I tried once for what I'm sure was a stand alone program
somehow (or maybe not/never?). I'm now only seeing it as "libpurple0".
Was worth the few extra seconds to keep poking around because of its
"conflicts with" reference:

++ BEGIN LIBPURPLE0 PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++

Maintainer: Ari Pollak 

Depends: pidgin-data, pidgin-data, libavahi-client3, libavahi-common3,
libavahi-glib1, libc6, libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2,
libfarstream-0.2-5, libgadu3, libglib2.0-0,
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0, libgstreamer1.0-0, libidn11,
libmeanwhile1, libnspr4, libnss3, libperl5.24, libsasl2-2, libxml2,
libzephyr4, libzephyr4-krb5, perl-base, , perl-base,
libsasl2-modules
Recommends: ca-certificates, libpurple-bin
Suggests: libtcl8.6

Conflicts: network-manager (<< 0.9.0)

Description-en: multi-protocol instant messaging library
 libpurple is a library intended to be used by programmers seeking
 to write an IM client that connects to many IM networks.
 Currently supported are:
 AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu,
 Bonjour, Groupwise, Sametime, SIMPLE, MySpaceIM, and MXit.
 .
 Some extra packages are suggested to use increased functionality:
  * libtcl8.6, libtk8.6:
- Support for writing plugins with Tcl/Tk

Homepage: http://www.pidgin.im

++ END LIBPURPLE0 PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++

Original point before I further tripped over libpurple0 was to ask if
anyone has ever tried Finch to see if it somehow fills in where other
packages are not so stable? With Finch appearing to be terminal
command line based, I highlighted it over at the Vinux listserv a few
weeks ago. If truly terminal based, Finch appears to have possible
accessibility potential for being visual impairment/screenreader
friendly, but I'm truly not sure how all of that works.

In a related way, I may be completely off base in thinking so, but I

Re: confusion in /etc/network/interfaces

[Sven Hartge]

Dominik George  wrote:

>> I need to know that what is the difference b/w eth1.0101 and eth:1.
>> actually i need to know what is the main difference in "." and ":".
>> any suggestion will be highly appreciated.

> : denotes an alias (second address on same interface), . denotes a VLAN, and 
> eth:1 is nonsense.

Worth noting: the interface:alias notation was introduced because
"ifconfig" can not handle multiple IPv4 addresses on one interface and
needs this kind of crutch.

The far more modern command "ip" has no such limitations.

Grüße,
Sven


-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: locale compte root

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Le Sat, 4 Mar 2017 20:17:35 +0100
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit:

> On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:03:25 Gaëtan PERRIER wrote:
> > > $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
> > > Dans le fichier /etc/default/locale :
> > > LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
> 
> Il faut aussi mettre UTF-8 dans le ".bashrc" du compte.
> 
> André

Sur la machine ou le compte root est en utf il n'y a rien dans le .bashrc ...

Sinon j'ai la même chose dans /etc/default/locale et
dans /etc/default/console-setup sur les 2 machines.

Gaëtan

Re: [SOLVED = YES thnx2Frank] www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[GiaThnYgeia]

SOLVED=YES LEARNING A NEW TRICK=YES YES YES

Frank:
> Op 04-03-17 om 16:59 schreef GiaThnYgeia:
>> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release' does not have a
>> Release file
>>
>> The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release'
>> does not have a Release file.
> 
> What does your deb-multimedia entry in sources.list look like exactly?
> These two lines suggest apt is looking for the Release file of a
> component called 'Release' in the suite 'testing'

I tried that dists on my own in case that was the problem, but it made
no difference /dists or nothing after org, stretch or testing, same result.

>> In the instructions it says once you open the directory download the
>> multimedia keyring
> 
> Alternatively - if you really can't get hold of the keys - put [
> trusted=yes ] between 'deb' and the url, e.g.:

This is getting too secure for me, I couldn't even import the downloaded
key file verified and through an encrypted channel...

But your trick worked, imported the multimdedia-key rerun without the
[trusted=yes] tag and all is OK

Thank you, you made a waste of a day receive high value.  I now have the
other half of the weekend to investigate why all my multimedia packages
have multimedia-upgrades/revisions within testing.

> deb [ trusted=yes ] http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free

OK, it worked, but what was the issue would I ever know?  Too many keys
in the keyring? I don't think so.  Just for kicks I added some other
distributions repository (testing based) and it didn't have such a
problem.  Maybe some public key-certificate somewhere where multimedia
is not registered yet as trustworthy?

> Regards,
> Frank

Thank you again, you really made my day, I was going mad with this
thinking it is a much deeper problem.

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

Re: Printing packages

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 19:53:39 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Cindy-Sue Causey  writes:

[Snip]

> > Just thinking out loud Most definitely not as succinctly as
> > Brian. *indubitably*
> >
> > Cindy :)
> 
> Well, he only answered to my first question... ;-)

The second one is above my pay grade. :) I'll mention that you might
find the wiki useful if it is some time since you messed with the
printing system.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Skype

[deloptes]

Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> An update. A few days ago they switched to Beta. Yesterday I tried video
> calls. A person with an Android device called me and I was able to pick
> up the call and talk to her. So it's an important progress.
> 
> Although I saw that the chat area shows the start time of the call, the
> duration of the call is not displayed. I think it would be good to keep
> track of this there as well.

Old version 4.3.0.37-1 is still working. I tried linux - linux and linux -
windows, windows - linux with voice and video

regards

Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[deloptes]

GiaThnYgeia wrote:

> PS  Suddenly, the noises in one's head that nobody else hears are
> recorded by one's only true friend, the PC   :)) :)))

Paranormal activities :D

I think it could be some voltage induced by physical contact.

Think logically - if there is no mic or nothing plugged in to your inputs,
then nothing can be recorded.

regards

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

[songbird]

GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX
>
> [antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which itself
> is based on the Debian stable distribution. It initially replaced the
> MEPIS KDE desktop environment with the Fluxbox and IceWM window
> managers, making it suitable for older, less powerful x86-based systems.
> Unlike Debian, antiX is "proudly systemd-free".[this quote needs a
> citation] systemd does not support old hardware very well due to its
> virtualization-based development.]

  MATE and lightdm work well for my older machine with systemd.

  i'm running up to date debian testing.  i haven't had any 
major issues other than when systemd was first installed.


  songbird

Re: Printing packages

[Rodolfo Medina]

Cindy-Sue Causey  writes:

> On 3/4/17, Brian  wrote:
>> On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 18:18:03 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>
>>> In order to print, I used to do:
>>>
>>>  # aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client libcupsimage2
>>> cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys-driver-gutenprint gs-esp
>>>
>>> , but now cupsys seems not to exist any more.  Please, what packages now
>>> should
>>> I install in place of those above?  I'm running Sid.
>>
>> cupsys disappeared many, many moons ago. You want
>>
>>   apt-get install cups
>
>
> Brian's answers are always wonderfully short. Yay, him! :D
>
> What I do for something like this (when I don't know something like
> that cupsys is no longer) is I go down the line trying to install the
> various packages by themselves, too. Sometimes (aka *not always*) that
> will trigger my favored package manager to install the newer version
> replacement as part of the dependency functions of the various package
> installers...
>
> When that doesn't work, I regress to attempting a package manager
> query using only outstanding pieces of the name (e.g. "gutenprint")
> related to whatever package appears to no longer be available.
>
> AND/OR
>
> Another angle of attack is to query for the "depends" and "rdepends"
> (reverse depends) of any notable package names among the list I might
> be trying to install. An example is that i just tried
> "printer-driver-gutenprint":
>
> +++
>
> candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache depends printer-driver-gutenprint
> printer-driver-gutenprint
>   Depends: libc6
>   Depends: libcups2
>   Depends: libcupsimage2
>   Depends: libgutenprint2
>   Depends: libusb-1.0-0
>   Depends: cups
>   Depends: cups-client
>  |Depends: cups-filters
>   Depends: 
>   Suggests: gutenprint-doc
>   Suggests: gutenprint-locales
>
> candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache rdepends printer-driver-gutenprint
> printer-driver-gutenprint
> Reverse Depends:
>   gutenprint-doc
>   printer-driver-all-enforce
>   printer-driver-all
>   cups
>   parl-desktop-strict
>   cups-daemon
>
> +++
>
> Just thinking out loud Most definitely not as succinctly as
> Brian. *indubitably*
>
> Cindy :)

Well, he only answered to my first question... ;-)

thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: confusion in /etc/network/interfaces

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

sorry what i meant is eth1:1 sorry my mistake.
but thanks for the clarification.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan 
wrote:

> sorry what i meant is eth1:1 sorry my mistake.
> but thanks for the clarification.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Pascal Hambourg 
> wrote:
>
>> Le 04/03/2017 à 18:40, Dominik George a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> eth:1 is nonsense.
>>>
>>
>> Why ? There could be an interface named "eth".
>>
>>
>

Re: locale compte root

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 04 March 2017 20:03:25 Gaëtan PERRIER wrote:
> > $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
> > Dans le fichier /etc/default/locale :
> > LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8

Il faut aussi mettre UTF-8 dans le ".bashrc" du compte.

André

Re: locale compte root

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Le Sat, 04 Mar 2017 19:23:23 +0100
Gilles Mocellin  a écrit:

> Le samedi 4 mars 2017, 18:13:20 Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> > J'ai 2 machines en debian testing.
> > Une a le root en utf8 et l'autre en C.
> > J'aimerai passer le root de cette dernière en utf8 mais je n'arrive plus à
> > trouver où se passe cette configuration?
> > 
> > Gaëtan
> 
> La méthode la plus Debian.
> 
> Déjà, avoir les locales installées et compilées :
> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
> 
> Ensuite, la conf globale, par défaut pour tous les utilisateurs qui ne 
> redéfinissent pas leurs variables LANG et/ou LC_* :
> Dans le fichier /etc/default/locale :
> LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
> 

Oui j'ai bien tout ça mais malgré ça le compte root n'est pas en utf ...

> Si la volonté est de changer cela que pour un utilisateur (root ou pas), on 
> peut définir cette variable LANG dans le .bashrc (ou équivalent si autre 
> shell).

Non je souhaite que tous les comptes soient en utf

> 
> S'il y a un problème sur la console, le paquet suivant doit aussi être 
> reconfigurer pour positionner le charset :
> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
> 
> La config se trouve dans /etc/default/console-setup.

Est-ce que ça peut impacter ensuite le compte root quand depuis gnome-terminal
je fais un 'su -' ?

Gaëtan

Re: Printing packages

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 3/4/17, Brian  wrote:
> On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 18:18:03 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> In order to print, I used to do:
>>
>>  # aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client libcupsimage2
>> cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys-driver-gutenprint gs-esp
>>
>> , but now cupsys seems not to exist any more.  Please, what packages now
>> should
>> I install in place of those above?  I'm running Sid.
>
> cupsys disappeared many, many moons ago. You want
>
>   apt-get install cups


Brian's answers are always wonderfully short. Yay, him! :D

What I do for something like this (when I don't know something like
that cupsys is no longer) is I go down the line trying to install the
various packages by themselves, too. Sometimes (aka *not always*) that
will trigger my favored package manager to install the newer version
replacement as part of the dependency functions of the various package
installers...

When that doesn't work, I regress to attempting a package manager
query using only outstanding pieces of the name (e.g. "gutenprint")
related to whatever package appears to no longer be available.

AND/OR

Another angle of attack is to query for the "depends" and "rdepends"
(reverse depends) of any notable package names among the list I might
be trying to install. An example is that i just tried
"printer-driver-gutenprint":

+++

candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache depends printer-driver-gutenprint
printer-driver-gutenprint
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libcups2
  Depends: libcupsimage2
  Depends: libgutenprint2
  Depends: libusb-1.0-0
  Depends: cups
  Depends: cups-client
 |Depends: cups-filters
  Depends: 
  Suggests: gutenprint-doc
  Suggests: gutenprint-locales

candycane@northpole:~$ apt-cache rdepends printer-driver-gutenprint
printer-driver-gutenprint
Reverse Depends:
  gutenprint-doc
  printer-driver-all-enforce
  printer-driver-all
  cups
  parl-desktop-strict
  cups-daemon

+++

Just thinking out loud Most definitely not as succinctly as
Brian. *indubitably*

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with masking tape, too... *

Re: confusion in /etc/network/interfaces

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 04/03/2017 à 18:40, Dominik George a écrit :


eth:1 is nonsense.


Why ? There could be an interface named "eth".

Re: Printing packages

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Mar 2017 at 18:18:03 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> In order to print, I used to do:
> 
>  # aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client libcupsimage2 
> cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys-driver-gutenprint gs-esp
> 
> , but now cupsys seems not to exist any more.  Please, what packages now 
> should
> I install in place of those above?  I'm running Sid.

cupsys disappeared many, many moons ago. You want

  apt-get install cups

-- 
Brian.

Re: locale compte root

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le samedi 4 mars 2017, 18:13:20 Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> J'ai 2 machines en debian testing.
> Une a le root en utf8 et l'autre en C.
> J'aimerai passer le root de cette dernière en utf8 mais je n'arrive plus à
> trouver où se passe cette configuration?
> 
> Gaëtan

La méthode la plus Debian.

Déjà, avoir les locales installées et compilées :
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales

Ensuite, la conf globale, par défaut pour tous les utilisateurs qui ne 
redéfinissent pas leurs variables LANG et/ou LC_* :
Dans le fichier /etc/default/locale :
LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8

Si la volonté est de changer cela que pour un utilisateur (root ou pas), on 
peut définir cette variable LANG dans le .bashrc (ou équivalent si autre 
shell).

S'il y a un problème sur la console, le paquet suivant doit aussi être 
reconfigurer pour positionner le charset :
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

La config se trouve dans /etc/default/console-setup.

Printing packages

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

In order to print, I used to do:

 # aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client libcupsimage2 
cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys-driver-gutenprint gs-esp

, but now cupsys seems not to exist any more.  Please, what packages now should
I install in place of those above?  I'm running Sid.

More in general, I often face this kind of problem: when I want to re-install a
certain package some time later, on another machine, the packages names have
changed and I don't the new names.  So I have to search hard, blindly, trying
to guess, looking here and there randomly...  Isn't there, in Debian packages
policy, a way to always know what packages have replaced the old ones?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

Re: confusion in /etc/network/interfaces

[Dominik George]

Hi,

>I need to know that what is the difference b/w eth1.0101 and eth:1.
>actually i need to know what is the main difference in "." and ":".
>any suggestion will be highly appreciated.

: denotes an alias (second address on same interface), . denotes a VLAN, and 
eth:1 is nonsense.

Cheers,
Nik

Re: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[Frank]

Op 04-03-17 om 16:59 schreef GiaThnYgeia:

http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release' does not have a
Release file

The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release'
does not have a Release file.


What does your deb-multimedia entry in sources.list look like exactly? 
These two lines suggest apt is looking for the Release file of a 
component called 'Release' in the suite 'testing'



In the instructions it says once you open the directory download the
multimedia keyring


Alternatively - if you really can't get hold of the keys - put [ 
trusted=yes ] between 'deb' and the url, e.g.:


deb [ trusted=yes ] http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free

Regards,
Frank

Re: -dec-terminal fonts

[tomas]

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On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 10:30:46AM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I have these fonts as displayed by xlsfonts
> 
> xlsfonts|grep dec
> [...]
> 
> -dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-dec-dectech
> -dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
> 
> [...]
> 
> -dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
> -dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
> decw$cursor
> decw$session

[...]

> But I want to know where the ones listed in xlsfonts come from.  Not
> finding anything on aptitude search that looks likely.  But may under
> a name not including `dec'.

I don't know if there's a way to ask the X server whence a font comes
from, but with a bit of guesswork...

First I checked I've the fonts you note above.

Then I query the X server where it looks for its fonts:

  tomas@rasputin:~$ xset q
  Keyboard Control:
auto repeat:  onkey click percent:  0LED mask:  
XKB indicators:
  [...]
  Colors:
default colormap:  0x20BlackPixel:  0x0WhitePixel:  0xff
  Font Path:
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,built-ins
  DPMS (Energy Star):
Standby: 600Suspend: 600Off: 600
DPMS is Enabled
Monitor is On

(output edited for readability). Since those DEC fonts are most probably
bitmap fonts, and the font description string has an 75 in its dpi field,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/ looks like a good candidate. Looking there,
I see no "dec", but two "term" (i.e two file names with "term" in them).
Let's peek into one:
  tomas@rasputin:~$ gunzip < /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/term14.pcf.gz | strings 
| less
  [...]
  COPYRIGHT
  Copyright (c) 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
  _DEC_PRODUCTINFO
  DECterm Fonts V2.2, 11-Nov-1991
  FULL_NAME
  Terminal
  FONT
  -DEC-Terminal-Medium-R-Normal--14-140-75-75-C-80-ISO8859-1
  WEIGHT
  [...]

That looks promising, does it? Now -- which package provided that?
  tomas@rasputin:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/term14.pcf.gz
  xfonts-75dpi: /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/term14.pcf.gz

Perhaps there's a more canonical way to do that. Comments welcome :)

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Re: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[GiaThnYgeia]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI:
> On 04-03-2017 12:59, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease: The
>> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
>> available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117
>> The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease' is not
>> signed.
>> [...]
>> DUHHH... !! But can't reach that repository because it is not signed
>> as legit!
> aptitude allows installation from untrusted sources, it'll just ask for
> confirmation before. I suppose apt-get is similar.
> 
> Install deb-multimedia-keyring and run update again, the repository will
> be trusted.
> 
> It's also possible to add the signing key manually with apt-key, but I
> couldn't easily find the key ID in http://deb-multimedia.org .

Both apt-get and aptitude resulted in the same error
E: Unable to locate package deb-multimedia-keyring

www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/deb-multimedia-keyring/deb-multimedia-keyring_2016.8.1_all.deb

Even downloaded it locally and tried to install and it won't work


-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

locale compte root

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Bonjour,

J'ai 2 machines en debian testing.
Une a le root en utf8 et l'autre en C.
J'aimerai passer le root de cette dernière en utf8 mais je n'arrive plus à
trouver où se passe cette configuration?

Gaëtan

Re: FIXED [Re: HELP - windows disappear completely when minimized]

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 3/4/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> On 03/04/2017 05:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> ENVIRONMENT:
>> I am using Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE installed from purchased DVD set.
>> The problem is associated with a single user. This was verified two
>> ways. Logged in as root, there is no problem. Created a new user and
>> then logged in to that user, no problem.
>>
>> PROBLEM:
>> In normal operation, for each application launched its window opens and
>> a title appears in the lower panel. These "titles" are ordered left to
>> right in the panel.  When several are open, clicking a title brings that
>> application to the foreground. When an application is minimized an
>> animation of a shrinking box moves from the app to its associated title.
>>
>> In this ABNORMAL situation:
>> When an application is opened, no title appears in the lower panel.
>> When it is minimized, the animated box shrinks and disappears past the
>> right end of the lower panel.
>>
>> I strongly suspect "operator error".
>> What did I do?
>> How do I recover?
>> TIA
>
> Still don't know how I messed it up.
> The solution was to search for "Window List" in the "Add to Panel" applet.
> Add it ;)
>
> Additional education imparted when first try at adding place it in
> "wrong" position on panel. I then "added" it to intended position, but
> found no way to "remove from panel" the extra.
>
> My solution was to delete the panel and start over ;/


Hi.. My apologies, but this is another hit-n-run due to something that
HAS to be addressed "elsewhere".

I can't remember what i was working on, but I ended up wanting to play
in my primary Applications menu a couple weeks ago. I THINK I wanted
to *attempt* to delete a duplicate entry that a multimedia program
installed on there.

Can't remember how I stumbled upon the location, but I found what i needed at:

/etc/xdg/menus

More specifically in my case at that second, I needed:

/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu

It was fun looking at that because it shows just the tiniest, tiniest
glimpse into what it takes for Developers to do what they do across
the entire of Debian development.

I tried VERY CAREFULLY altering that file *AFTER MAKING A BACKUP*.
Whatever I was doing didn't work, and I got sidetracked so never
uncover why it failed.

My a-sumption at this second is that it would possibly be that this
file takes its head nods from something higher above it.

An example that is more commonly known would be where we can manually
alter /boot/grub/grub.cfg all day long, but on the next reboot, it
reverts back to its former status. In that case, the more permanent
alternative we have is alter something like one of my favorite files,
/etc/grub.d/40_custom.

I THINK I found /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu because I had a
mental tickle file already stored about its possible existence. Had I
not found it via a "locate" terminal command line search, my next
usual step is to "grep" for an unordinary, thus less commonly found,
entry off my menu (e.g. PySol Fan Club Edition). Once in a while
it takes *me* a grep of the whole hard drive to find something like
that. *grin*

Hope that... I don't know... either does directly help with this or at
least leads to some other fun find for others some day.. :)

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

confusion in /etc/network/interfaces

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

Hi All,

I need to know that what is the difference b/w eth1.0101 and eth:1.
actually i need to know what is the main difference in "." and ":".
any suggestion will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Yousuf

Re: -dec-terminal fonts

[Siard]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> I have these fonts as displayed by xlsfonts
> 
> xlsfonts|grep dec
> [...]
> -dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-dec-dectech
> -dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
> 
> [...]
>
> But I want to know where the ones listed in xlsfonts come from.  Not
> finding anything on aptitude search that looks likely.  But may under
> a name not including `dec'.

$ grep -r dec-terminal /usr/share/fonts/*
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:tech14.pcf.gz 
-dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-dec-dectech
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:techB14.pcf.gz 
-dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-dec-dectech
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:term14.pcf.gz 
-dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.dir:termB14.pcf.gz 
-dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1

So, tech14.pcf.gz etc. are the fonts you're looking for.

Re: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 04-03-2017 12:59, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease: The
> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
> available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117
> The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease' is not
> signed.
> [...]
> DUHHH... !! But can't reach that repository because it is not signed
> as legit!
aptitude allows installation from untrusted sources, it'll just ask for
confirmation before. I suppose apt-get is similar.

Install deb-multimedia-keyring and run update again, the repository will
be trusted.

It's also possible to add the signing key manually with apt-key, but I
couldn't easily find the key ID in http://deb-multimedia.org .


-- 
If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot
of different places, just write a Unix operating system.
-- Linus Torvalds

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing or stretch Release' does not have a Release file

[GiaThnYgeia]

NEW thread, no a hijacked one, as I give up searching for what I may
have done WRONG

GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease: The
following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117
The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease' is not
signed.

After switching between testing and stretch .org and .org/dists I have
given up.  Something with gpg and keyrings is messed up and can't find
out what it is.  The rest of the debian repositories work and everything
is current and updated.


http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing does not have a Release file

http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release' does not have a
Release file

The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists testing Release'
does not have a Release file.

I just browsed into the directory and it DOES have a Release file right
there.  So I switched testing to stretch which appears to be the same

Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore
disabled by default.See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation
and user configuration details.

The repository 'http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists stretch Release'
does not have a Release file.

In the instructions it says once you open the directory download the
multimedia keyring

DUHHH... !! But can't reach that repository because it is not signed
as legit!

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 11:38:00 + GiaThnYgeia
 wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX
> 
> [antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which
> [snip]

Aware of it.  Also mx-16 is a systemd-free distro put together by former
Mepis and AntiX people.  Unfortuantely, both are based on Jessie and
there's been no hint of a Stretch-based release.

The reason I want the most current "stable" release is I choose
everything -- hardware and software -- for a 5 to 7 year lifetime.
For example, this system: I originally built it 10 years ago and even
with the numerous upgrades since the newest part, a hard drive (original
one still good), is still 3 or 4 years old.  So, I need an OS that's
going to have support for at least 5 years.  And I don't like rolling
releases -- too many potential problems.

Thanks anyway for your recommendation.

B

> 
> 
> Aquarius:
> > Maybe Devuan would meet your requirements of using the init system
> > you would like to use. It is not on Stretch yet but on Jessie.

Re: se connecter à une machine distante via ssh

[JB]

avez-vous essayé l'option -v de ssh
man ssh
JB





Le samedi 04 mars 2017 à 15:06 +, Alex PADOLY a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> Je dois me connecter à un serveur dédié dans lequel est installé
> Debian 
> 8. Mon laptop utilise Debian 7.8. J'ai installé ssh.
> 
> Dans une fenêtre terminal, je tape
> 
> ssh root@123.456.789.10
> L'adresse que j'ai indiqué esrt adresse ficive.
> Le système me demande un mot de passe, mais il est impossible de le 
> saisir, le curseur de mon terminal ne bouge plus.
> Seule la touche ''Enter'' a une action.
> De ce fait la connexion à mon serveur dédié est refusé.
> 
> Merci pour vos réponses.
> 
> Alex PADOLY
> 

Re: Debian 9

[JB]

Bonjour, bonsoir,
à priori je n'ai pas de pb avec "testng"
A+
JB

Re: Skype

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi!

On 07/02/17 17:25, Anonymous wrote:

> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
> many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
> Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
> with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
> market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.
> 
> Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
> Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
> without relying on WebRTC.
> 
> If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
> communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
> has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
> be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
> has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
> adoption of Linux by a wider audience.

An update. A few days ago they switched to Beta. Yesterday I tried video
calls. A person with an Android device called me and I was able to pick
up the call and talk to her. So it's an important progress.

Although I saw that the chat area shows the start time of the call, the
duration of the call is not displayed. I think it would be good to keep
track of this there as well.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

[Patrick Bartek]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 22:24:46 +0100 (CET) Aquarius 
wrote:

> Maybe Devuan would meet your requirements of using the init system
> you would like to use. It is not on Stretch yet but on Jessie.

I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox.  At the
time ( a year ago), it was still pretty rough around the edges.
Unfortunately, it's still in Beta. I checked just a couple days ago.  I
also looked at AntiX and mx-16. They are systemd free, too, but as with
Devuan both are based on Jessie.. I doubt if they'll have Stretch-based
releases ready within my timeframe. Plus, I can't do a custom install
with the latter two (start with a terminal-only system), or I haven't
found a way so far. That's why I'm seriously considering Stretch
itself along with all the trouble of ridding it of systemd (or as much
of it as I can).

Thanks, anyway, for the recommendation.

B

Re: se connecter à une machine distante via ssh

[Jean-Marc]

Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:06:22 +
Alex PADOLY  écrivait :

> Bonjour à tous,

salut Alex,

> 
> Je dois me connecter à un serveur dédié dans lequel est installé Debian 
> 8. Mon laptop utilise Debian 7.8. J'ai installé ssh.
> 
> Dans une fenêtre terminal, je tape
> 
> ssh root@123.456.789.10
> L'adresse que j'ai indiqué esrt adresse ficive.
> Le système me demande un mot de passe, mais il est impossible de le 
> saisir, le curseur de mon terminal ne bouge plus.
> Seule la touche ''Enter'' a une action.
> De ce fait la connexion à mon serveur dédié est refusé.

L'option -v ajoutée à ssh est souvent une aide précieuse.

Plus de mesages avec -vv ou -vvv.

D'autre part, je me demande si l'installation standard de ssh autorise 
l'utilisation de root pour se connecter.  As-tu un autre utilisateur ?

> 
> Merci pour vos réponses.
> 
> Alex PADOLY
> 


Jean-Marc 


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-dec-terminal fonts

[Harry Putnam]

I have these fonts as displayed by xlsfonts

xlsfonts|grep dec
[...]

-dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-dec-dectech
-dec-terminal-bold-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1

[...]

-dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
-dec-terminal-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
decw$cursor
decw$session

Chopped out a longish list but still showing the type of fonts I'm
interested in.

The lst two I can find easy enough under /usr/share/fonts where I find
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/deccurs.pcf.gz
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/decsess.pcf.gz
/usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings/dec-special.enc.gz

But I want to know where the ones listed in xlsfonts come from.  Not
finding anything on aptitude search that looks likely.  But may under
a name not including `dec'.

I may have installed them separate but if so, I do not recall where
they came from.

Not finding them on google either.

Are they part of a debian install?

Or does anyone no there origin? Or where to get them?

Re: se connecter à une machine distante via ssh

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 03/04/2017 04:06 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:

Bonjour à tous,

Je dois me connecter à un serveur dédié dans lequel est installé 
Debian 8. Mon laptop utilise Debian 7.8. J'ai installé ssh.


Dans une fenêtre terminal, je tape

ssh root@123.456.789.10
L'adresse que j'ai indiqué esrt adresse ficive.
Le système me demande un mot de passe, mais il est impossible de le 
saisir, le curseur de mon terminal ne bouge plus.


Traditionnellement, quand on saisit un mot de passe sous Linux en ligne 
de commande, le curseur ne bouge pas, rien n'est visible, et pourtant 
les touches tapées sont comprises.


Il faut donc frapper son mot de passe en aveugle, puis la touche entrée.

Cordialement

--
Basile Starynkevitch   http://starynkevitch.net/Basile
Bourg La Reine, France mobile: +33 6 8501 2359
opinions are only mine

se connecter à une machine distante via ssh

[Alex PADOLY]

Bonjour à tous,

Je dois me connecter à un serveur dédié dans lequel est installé Debian 
8. Mon laptop utilise Debian 7.8. J'ai installé ssh.


Dans une fenêtre terminal, je tape

ssh root@123.456.789.10
L'adresse que j'ai indiqué esrt adresse ficive.
Le système me demande un mot de passe, mais il est impossible de le 
saisir, le curseur de mon terminal ne bouge plus.

Seule la touche ''Enter'' a une action.
De ce fait la connexion à mon serveur dédié est refusé.

Merci pour vos réponses.

Alex PADOLY

Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[tomas]

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> Come to think of it, do newsgroups still exist?

To round-up this thread's recursive meta-hijacking:
oh, yes, they definitely exist. There are a couple of
providers out there keeping the service up, my favourite
being eternal september:

  http://www.eternal-september.org/

Yes. Real NNTP.

Gmane could be interesting too -- they offer (among other
things) mailing lists via nntp.

Regards
- -- t

  
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Re: Debian 9

[Charles Plessy]

Le Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 03:08:59PM +0100, Yannick a écrit :
> 
> Je vois que certains utilisent la nouvelle version.
> Est-elle gelée et donc utilisable sans prendre de gros risques?

Bonjour Yannick,

dans l'ensemble, Stretch est en bonne forme, mais si elle était déjà
prête, elle serait publiée :)

Dans mon cas, j'ai du mettre à jour le paquet libinput10 depuis Sid,
sinon mon pavé tactile ne fonctionnait plus correctement.

Bonne fin de semaine,

-- 
Charles

Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[rhkramer]

On Friday, March 03, 2017 02:53:26 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> Because hitting New means you have to put in the To address, but hitting
> Reply means the address is already there and you can just start typing
> your message (and possibly delete the quoted text, change the Subject
> line, et cetera).
> 
> Yes, this apparently is enough of a convenience factor to affect
> people's behavior.

Just to add $0.02 (I don't know who it belongs to, so didn't call it "my 
$0.02")--in kmail, just right click on the address to which you want to send 
the new email, and choose "New Message to" from the context menu...

Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[GiaThnYgeia]

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/fmit
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fmit

Here are the two current versions of it and I like it because it gives a
little more control in tuning out noise and concentrate in what I want
to measure.

It is most probably electrical noise and fluctuations of voltage and/or
frequency, which may get amplified to look like an unstable wave form.

This part may be understood enough to leave it to the sound experts.

What is interesting is that a mechanical vibration may actually cause
electrical contacts on the whole system to create an instability within
that electrical noise.  One does not need to be a sound physicist to
translate this into an effective microphone.  How many pc's don't have
panels that act as drums and amplify noise and transform noise into a
mechanical vibration?

No, there is no onboard mic, there are only two audio inputs front and
back, and as I said trying this in 2 other systems with different debian
builds had similar results (some noise registering and affected by
abrupt vibration).

Yes I have pavucontrol installed, pulseaudio and utils.

PS  Suddenly, the noises in one's head that nobody else hears are
recorded by one's only true friend, the PC   :)) :)))

deloptes:
> GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> 
>> I don't see how the previous got linked to a previous thread so I am
>> reposting with additional clarification.
>>
>> OK, I did some testing on an other machine with a testing installation,
>> downloaded FMIT (an instrument tuner that will pickup audio input/analog
>> and tell you all kinds of stuff about the wave that is fed).
>> Same exact behavior, hardware only lists two audio inputs and are both
>> unplugged.  The lower the db threshold for sound recording the more
>> apparent the sound becomes.  Each knock on the box shows corresponding
>> amplification of that noise.
>>
>> Ok, so I picked up 2-3 live debian based USB sticks I have.  I plugged
>> then in to 3 different machines, downloaded FMIT and run it.  Similar
>> results.  So it has nothing to do with my configuration of stuff.  I say
>> if some software is picking up sound from your environment and records
>> it when no inputs are plugged in I would call this a "security" issue
>> not a malfunction.
>>
>> What is there MORE to post so it can be reproduced?  Blank live debian
>> installations adding FMIT in 3 machines Jessie + Stretch (one on UPS,
>> one on mains-plug, on laptop) if you allow it to see a wide spectrum of
>> frequencies it records noise (mostly hi-freq) and only hardware inputs
>> are unplugged.  Where is the noise coming from?
>>
>> It probably has nothing to do with the program itself but its
>> dependencies and some code feeding in wrong data as audio input.  But it
>> is actual sound
> 
> I was interested in your mainboard - perhaps it has integrated mic.
> 
> Do you have pavucontrol installed? Go to input devices and mute the mic
> 
> regards
> 
> 

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

FIXED [Re: HELP - windows disappear completely when minimized]

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/04/2017 05:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

ENVIRONMENT:
I am using Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE installed from purchased DVD set.
The problem is associated with a single user. This was verified two
ways. Logged in as root, there is no problem. Created a new user and
then logged in to that user, no problem.

PROBLEM:
In normal operation, for each application launched its window opens and
a title appears in the lower panel. These "titles" are ordered left to
right in the panel.  When several are open, clicking a title brings that
application to the foreground. When an application is minimized an
animation of a shrinking box moves from the app to its associated title.

In this ABNORMAL situation:
When an application is opened, no title appears in the lower panel.
When it is minimized, the animated box shrinks and disappears past the
right end of the lower panel.

I strongly suspect "operator error".
What did I do?
How do I recover?
TIA


Still don't know how I messed it up.
The solution was to search for "Window List" in the "Add to Panel" applet.
Add it ;)

Additional education imparted when first try at adding place it in 
"wrong" position on panel. I then "added" it to intended position, but 
found no way to "remove from panel" the extra.


My solution was to delete the panel and start over ;/

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

[GiaThnYgeia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX

[antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which itself
is based on the Debian stable distribution. It initially replaced the
MEPIS KDE desktop environment with the Fluxbox and IceWM window
managers, making it suitable for older, less powerful x86-based systems.
Unlike Debian, antiX is "proudly systemd-free".[this quote needs a
citation] systemd does not support old hardware very well due to its
virtualization-based development.]

Although I wanted to give it a try their webpage is full of scripts and
invisible as html, their forum rejects registration without a verified
ISP IP.  Questioning their forum admin on why would he require a real IP
to participate in such a forum did not result to ANY answer.  So, I
became an anti-ANTIx fan for all that this intro implies.


Aquarius:
> Maybe Devuan would meet your requirements of using the init system you would 
> like to use. It is not on Stretch yet but on Jessie.
> 
> --
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> 
> 3. Mar 2017 20:21 by wande...@fastmail.fm:
> 
> 
>> On 2017-03-03 at 13:00, Reco wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:25:13 -0500
>>> The Wanderer <>> wande...@fastmail.fm>> > wrote:
>>>
 systemd as the init system is provided by the systemd-sysv package. I
 have that package pinned to never install in /etc/preferences:

 Package: systemd-sysv
 Pin: version *
 Pin-Priority: -1

 but this doesn't seem to be entirely effective in some cases, for
 reasons I've given up on trying to track down; still, it may be making a
 difference.
>>
>> I want to correct the record on this. When I wrote the above, I was
>> conflating multiple cases. What I have seen be ineffective is previous
>> pins, no longer present, against libpam-systemd and related packages; I
>> don't recall ever seeing anything try to install systemd-sysv in
>> violation of this pin.
>>
>> (There are enough legitimate complaints against the systemd ecosystem;
>> there's no need to hurt the case against such things by throwing in
>> baseless complaints on top of them.)
>>
>>> You may want to try somewhat different approach then:
>>>
>>> Package: systemd-sysv
>>> Pin: release a=stable
>>> Pin-Priority: -1
>>
>> I've noted this for later reference; if I ever see the
>> trying-to-install-packages-pinned-at--1 behavior again, I'll try that
>> variant.
>>
>> -- 
>>The Wanderer
>>
>> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
>> progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

HELP - windows disappear completely when minimized

[Richard Owlett]

ENVIRONMENT:
I am using Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE installed from purchased DVD set.
The problem is associated with a single user. This was verified two 
ways. Logged in as root, there is no problem. Created a new user and 
then logged in to that user, no problem.


PROBLEM:
In normal operation, for each application launched its window opens and 
a title appears in the lower panel. These "titles" are ordered left to 
right in the panel.  When several are open, clicking a title brings that 
application to the foreground. When an application is minimized an 
animation of a shrinking box moves from the app to its associated title.


In this ABNORMAL situation:
When an application is opened, no title appears in the lower panel.
When it is minimized, the animated box shrinks and disappears past the 
right end of the lower panel.


I strongly suspect "operator error".
What did I do?
How do I recover?
TIA

Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[GiaThnYgeia]

The Wanderer:
> On 2017-03-03 at 14:35, deloptes wrote:
> 
>> The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>>> True, although someone who doesn't know that hitting Reply on an 
>>> existing message threads the reply in under the existing message
>>> is unlikely to even know what message headers are, much less know
>>> how to do this. (Or be using a mail client which does permit
>>> that.)
>>
>> But why would you do this. You could simply press new and start a
>> thread with your question
> 
> Because hitting New means you have to put in the To address, but hitting
> Reply means the address is already there and you can just start typing
> your message (and possibly delete the quoted text, change the Subject
> line, et cetera).
> 
> Yes, this apparently is enough of a convenience factor to affect
> people's behavior.
> 

Since you guys now have hijacked the thread it is ok for me to continue

On my second try to address a related issue I "forwarded" to the list
the previous text as part of a reference with a new subject.  As I use a
non-html editor, txt comes in and txt comes out, I forget that the
headers are hidden, but never thought they were included in forward,
only in replies.  It is good to know that mozilla in providing with a
clean email gui does such things.
Also if you use reply instead of reply-all or reply-list the headers
that are picked up "by the list" are threading the messages.  So it is
partly the list-laundering activity that creates all the confusion.
I'm willing to bet that in interpersonal exchange some of those messages
wouldn't be threaded.  But I've seen it happen both ways, Re:
same-subject unthreaded and Re: different-subject threaded.  So it must
have to do with some mailing systems stripping headers and some that
don't do it, and effective stripping goes two ways.

Come to think of it, do newsgroups still exist?


-- 
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