Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:24:03PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > https://www.mailop.org/
> 
> Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying
> to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Yes; unfortunately it is in a transition period between admin teams
as the old administrators haven't had time to maintain things like
renewal of the TLS cert¹. As far as I understand the new admin team
is ready to take over but are waiting on the old admins to do some
things. For what it's worth I know it is simply a case of an expired
TLS cert and it is safe in this case to proceed anyway.

Cheers,
Andy

¹ Obviously quite embarrassing for a list of / catering to
  professional email admins. There are employees of Google. Yahoo!
  and Microsoft on this list.

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Re: Signature not working

[David Wright]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 12:07:14 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2020-07-31 at 11:29, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> >> The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would
> >> have done.
> > 
> > That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information
> > in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work."
> 
> I think that he might have been referring to another of my replies -
> most likely either the one timestamped 07:24 EST, or the one timestamped
> 07:17 EST, both from today.
> 
> The "that" he was referring to, from context, appears to be Tomas' reply
> which boiled down to "no, I won't stop doing this", and to which my
> 07:17 mail was a reply.

You're probably right. But by then I'd read other responses, and
"It doesn't work" was the shortest, and as uninformative as any.

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 12:03:56 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2020-07-31 at 11:30, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> >> I can read everything fine.  Nothing gets trashed, but things that
> >> one expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig
> >> separator) because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't
> >> occur.
> > 
> > I don't see any text following his `-- t`. What text do you see after
> > `-- t` that you think should be hidden?
> 
> In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted
> when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the
> signature block and not actually anything that will need to be
> responded to.
> 
> To be honest, I rather suspect you already understood that.

I was perplexed by two things. The first was that anyone would think
-- t was a sig-sep, because a sig-sep is "Hyphen Hyphen Space Newline",
and the second was that I couldn't think of any particularly bad
effects that the -- t would cause.

After all, if it's *not* recognised as a sig-sep, then -- t becomes
merely the last line of the message (wasn't that its intention?),
and if it *is* misinterpreted as a sig-sep, then anything after it
gets treated as a signature. Is that terrible? IDK. We're just told
it's "broken", "doesn't work", and "fails completely", rather than
being informed of which client produces what symptoms.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Signature not working

[David Wright]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 14:51:13 (-0700), Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Fri Jul 31 14:39:39 2020 Stefan Monnier  wrote:
> 
> >>> Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid
> >>
> >> No, I'm not confused.  '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator.
> >
> > Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as
> > a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but
> > just as the last line of text in his email, which stands more or
> > less for his name.
> >
> > There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play:
> > A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature.
> > B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name
> > at the end of his text
> > C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity.
> >
> > Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my
> > `-nStefan` below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar
> > it does indeed correctly fall into the (B) category.
> >
> > IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no
> > idea what makes you think so.
> 
> Compounding the confusion, even the signatures from The Wanderer and
> Brad Rogers don't come out properly on my machine.  I read this list
> through the newsgroup linux.debian.user, using slrn - and the "--\n"
> from these two people comes through as --=20, hence is not recognized.
> This probably has something to do with the fact that their messages
> contain a "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable", which I've
> always thought to be a nasty format.

It might. I see (without the slashes)

/--=20
/ Regards  _
 …

and

/--=20
/   The Wanderer
 …

in the raw messages, but mutt displays them as signatures (in yellow here).

I notice that your post has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; 
format=flowed
in the header. Might you be using flowed to read posts too, and does
that interact with their quoted-printable in some way?

I certainly haven't yet understood the full implications of RFC 3676
for posts that are all of signed, signatured, and quoted-printable.

Cheers,
David.

[OT] Remote SSH (dynamic IP) without third-party server

[riveravaldez]

Is this possible?

Hi, to clarify: I would like to connect to a remote home-machine
(dynamic IP) through SSH session but without using a third-party
server (free or paid), just with software running in both machines.

Tox and Jami protocols seem to be able to stablish a quick p2p
connection in a decentralized fashion (without the need of a central
server) and I understand that this means that both protocols allow
each client to find the other one, that is, to know their present IPs
at all time, no matter how dynamic they are. Is this correct?

If so, would be possible to use a similar mechanism to obtain at any
moment the counterpart's IP and then make a SSH login using such
information?

If there's any other simpler way (that doesn't imply the use of any
third party) please let me know, I could use anything that works.

Thanks a lot!

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[황병희]

> Good for you, but, I guess you are using mailgun for outgoing.

Yes, it is real good for me.

$ cat /etc/postfix/sender_relay (Postfix in Google Compute Engine)
soyeo...@yw.doraji.xyz [smtp.mailgun.org]:2525
soyeo...@bullseye.yw.doraji.xyz [email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:2587
soyeo...@red-october.yw.doraji.xyz [email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com]:2587

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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[no subject]

[luiz gil]

Ola Amigos, gostaria de saber sobre andamentos referente a falha de
seguranca no Grub2 ocasionando preocupacoes em todas as distribuicoes linux.

-- 
Atenciosamente,
Luiz Carlos Proenca Gil

Fwd:

[William Torrez Corea]

Exactly, but the problem Cannot find serial number of Apple device 0x05ac
and don't recognize the device.

-- Forwarded message -
From: john doe 
Date: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:41 PM
Subject: Re:
To: 


On 7/31/2020 8:07 PM, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> How to mount an iPod Shuffle 4G?.
>
> I have this script.
>
https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile=view=mount-iphone.sh
>

If I understand your question correctly, the below command should help you:
$ wget
'
https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile=get=mount-iphone.sh
'
$ sh ./iPhone*.sh

--
John Doe



-- 

With kindest regards, William.

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Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading

[deloptes]

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> I have and have had no such problems.
> I strongly suspect that there's something else at play.
> E.g. its VM is performing a lot of disk IO.

You mean you can run a VM from USB2.0 smoothly?

Re: grub update and reinstallation

[Ross Boylan]

Thanks for the information.  Your questions are probably rhetorical, but
I've responded anyway, below :)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:38 AM Brian  wrote:

> On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> 
> > When I did the upgrade the terminal showed
> > -
> > Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ...
> > Installing for i386-pc platform.
> > Installation finished. No error reported.
> > Generating grub configuration file ...
> > 
> > The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear.
>
> It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant?
>

That a debian package has been installed.  The grub.cfg was updated.  That
some files somewhere other than my boot sector have been updated.


> > In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location.
>
> Why should it?
>
So I can tell what has been updated, having more than one disk.   If I
interpret the script and config options correctly, it might even be
possible to have it update more than one location automatically.  Also,
giving the installation location would lessen the ambiguity referred to
above.

I think the problem is that the messages (I'm guessing lines 2 and 3 in my
excerpt above are from grub-install) are designed in the context of
invoking grub-install from the command line, in which case further
information would be pointless.  But when it's invoked in the context of a
Debian package upgrade, the context is less evident.

Ross

Re: Signature not working

[Charlie Gibbs]

On Fri Jul 31 14:39:39 2020 Stefan Monnier 
wrote:

>>> Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid
>>
>> No, I'm not confused.  '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator.
>
> Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as
> a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but
> just as the last line of text in his email, which stands more or
> less for his name.
>
> There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play:
> A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature.
> B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name
> at the end of his text
> C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity.
>
> Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my
> `-nStefan` below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar
> it does indeed correctly fall into the (B) category.
>
> IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no
> idea what makes you think so.

Compounding the confusion, even the signatures from The Wanderer and
Brad Rogers don't come out properly on my machine.  I read this list
through the newsgroup linux.debian.user, using slrn - and the "--\n"
from these two people comes through as --=20, hence is not recognized.
This probably has something to do with the fact that their messages
contain a "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable", which I've
always thought to be a nasty format.

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\ /|  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

Re: FORA DO TOPICO - Notebook novo com SSD - Como aumentar o armazenamento interno?

[China]

Eu peguei um Lenovo com SSD tipo NVME, que é pequeno como uma memória RAM,
e com espaço pra um HD interno tradicional. Com isso tenho os 2 mundos, mas
arquivos grandes como filmes e fotos eu uso um HD externo USB3. Se eu não
tivesse espaço pra HD interno eu usaria esse HD externo não como home
montado no boot, usaria como armazenamento externo mesmo onde colocaria
Downloads etc.

Em sex, 31 de jul de 2020 18:27, Marcelo Laia 
escreveu:

> Colegas,
>
> Sempre adquiri os Notebbok da Dell. No entanto, os novos estão vindo só
> com SSD.
>
> Normalmente, a capacidade desses SSD são em torno de 128 ou 256. Raros
> são os de 512 (lembro de um P75 que eu tinha. Top, a época).
>
> Eu armazeno no meu home pastas para anos. Por exemplo, 2008, 2009, ...,
> 2020. Dentro dela eu coloco tudo que foi realizado naquele ano, tais
> como projetos de pesquisa, orientados, bolsas concedidas, ofícios, etc.
> O meu home hoje tem 760 GB usados e 114 GB livres.
>
> Além disso, tenho um HD externo de 1T onde o home é copiado por
> segurança.
>
> Como vocês tem feito? Tem migrado para o SSD de 256 MB? E os arquivos
> antigos, tal qual o meu home? Adquiri espaço na nuvem? Google? Amazon?
> Outro? É vantajoso economicamente?
>
> A minha ideia é fazer uma atualização de Notebook e pegar um com uns 16
> GB de RAM (ou 32). A dúvida é sobre o armazenamento interno.
>
> Você poderia dar o seu relato de caso?
>
> Muito obrigado!
>
> --
> Marcelo
>
>

Re: FORA DO TOPICO - Notebook novo com SSD - Como aumentar o armazenamento interno?

[Diego Rabatone Oliveira]

Olá Marcelo,

antes de mais nada, acho que não existe uma regra geral que sirva para
todos os casos de uso e todas as pessoas.
Vou falar sobre o que serve para mim e os motivos ok?

Eu já não tenho desktop há uns bons anos, e há pelo menos 5 anos uso SSD em
meus notebooks.
Por motivos de desempenho hoje nem considero mais a hipótese de usar um HDD
como disco primário.
A diferença é brutal, e eu não acho que vale investir em 32Gb de RAM se
você ainda tem um HDD.

Aliás, estou seriamente considerando migrar dos "já tradicionais" SSD para
os SSD M.2, por questão de desempenho mesmo.

Claro que isso limita bastante as opções em termos de espaço disponível
para armazenamento.
Mas, para ser muito sincero, hoje em dia eu prefiro nem manter muita coisa
no computador, só o que preciso no dia a dia mesmo.
Os motivos para isso, no meu caso, são (não necessariamente em ordem de
prioridade):
1 - O disco pode falhar, e quanto mais se usa maior as chances disso
acontecer;
2 - Eu ando com o notebook 'pra lá e pra cá', então existe um risco de ser
roubado;
3 - Meu disco é criptografado, então também estou sujeito a eventualidades
que dificultem a recuperação dos dados.

As minhas alternativas para armazenamento de dados históricos são:
1 - Backup "offline" local (tenho tanto HDs externos USB quanto um NAS
 em casa com discos
HDD - pretendo configurar eles em RAID em breve.
2 - Para dados de acesso mais esporádico, mas que eu posso precisar
enquanto estou fora de casa, eu tenho uma instância do nextcloud
 num servidor
 (qualquer cloud serve) e com isso consigo manter arquivos importantes
sincronizados entre meu computador e o servidor.
 E posso também baixar do servidor só quando preciso, sem precisar
manter sincronizado.

Fazendo umas contas básicas, o custo de um SSD de 1Tb provavelmente você
vai conseguir comprar 2 HDDs de 2Tb para manter tudo armazenado
com mais segurança e redundância. Ou um para deixar em casa e outro para
carregar com você.

Mas claro que tudo sempre depende do seu caso de uso! Para mim um SSD de
256Gb em geral é suficiente na maioria das vezes.
Na realidade, neste exato momento estou com um de 128Gb (porque o de 512
simplesmente "morreu" no início da pandemia) e eu ainda
não comprei um novo, estou "namorando" um SSD M.2 de 512Gb rs. Mas o disco
de 128 está com uso em 52%, então está ok.

Ah, sobre "armazenar na nuvem" (Google Drive, Dropbox, etc), é uma
alternativa, mas eu gosto muito de ter mais autonomia e privacidade,
então mesmo que seja uma "Instância" eu rodo uma aplicação (o Nextcloud)
que criptografa os arquivos.

Espero ter ajudado!


Diego Rabatone Oliveira


Em sex., 31 de jul. de 2020 às 18:27, Marcelo Laia 
escreveu:

> Colegas,
>
> Sempre adquiri os Notebbok da Dell. No entanto, os novos estão vindo só
> com SSD.
>
> Normalmente, a capacidade desses SSD são em torno de 128 ou 256. Raros
> são os de 512 (lembro de um P75 que eu tinha. Top, a época).
>
> Eu armazeno no meu home pastas para anos. Por exemplo, 2008, 2009, ...,
> 2020. Dentro dela eu coloco tudo que foi realizado naquele ano, tais
> como projetos de pesquisa, orientados, bolsas concedidas, ofícios, etc.
> O meu home hoje tem 760 GB usados e 114 GB livres.
>
> Além disso, tenho um HD externo de 1T onde o home é copiado por
> segurança.
>
> Como vocês tem feito? Tem migrado para o SSD de 256 MB? E os arquivos
> antigos, tal qual o meu home? Adquiri espaço na nuvem? Google? Amazon?
> Outro? É vantajoso economicamente?
>
> A minha ideia é fazer uma atualização de Notebook e pegar um com uns 16
> GB de RAM (ou 32). A dúvida é sobre o armazenamento interno.
>
> Você poderia dar o seu relato de caso?
>
> Muito obrigado!
>
> --
> Marcelo
>
>

FORA DO TOPICO - Notebook novo com SSD - Como aumentar o armazenamento interno?

[Marcelo Laia]

Colegas,

Sempre adquiri os Notebbok da Dell. No entanto, os novos estão vindo só
com SSD.

Normalmente, a capacidade desses SSD são em torno de 128 ou 256. Raros
são os de 512 (lembro de um P75 que eu tinha. Top, a época).

Eu armazeno no meu home pastas para anos. Por exemplo, 2008, 2009, ...,
2020. Dentro dela eu coloco tudo que foi realizado naquele ano, tais
como projetos de pesquisa, orientados, bolsas concedidas, ofícios, etc.
O meu home hoje tem 760 GB usados e 114 GB livres.

Além disso, tenho um HD externo de 1T onde o home é copiado por
segurança.

Como vocês tem feito? Tem migrado para o SSD de 256 MB? E os arquivos
antigos, tal qual o meu home? Adquiri espaço na nuvem? Google? Amazon?
Outro? É vantajoso economicamente?

A minha ideia é fazer uma atualização de Notebook e pegar um com uns 16
GB de RAM (ou 32). A dúvida é sobre o armazenamento interno.

Você poderia dar o seu relato de caso?

Muito obrigado!

-- 
Marcelo

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Carl Fink]

On 7/31/20 3:08 PM, Celejar wrote:

"No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port
blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their
"sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month)
is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month):

http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html
http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php


I haven't used the service in almost 10 years. It seems that they
might have changed things.

--
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Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:27:30 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
> > set off such a monster thread :-)  
> 
> You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a
> habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :)

Yes, it does. Which tends to drive off people who don't like watching
the discussion wander off into the weeds. Or the bike shed.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:27:30PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 21:04:32 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
> > > extra space or other character in the first two columns?
> > 
> > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
> > set off such a monster thread :-)
> 
> You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a
> habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :)

To be honest, I do know the bikeshed pattern -- but it still surprises
me sometimes.

Cheers (trying now The Wanderer's suggestion. Feels awkward, I can't spot
yet why)

 --t


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re:

[john doe]

On 7/31/2020 8:07 PM, William Torrez Corea wrote:

How to mount an iPod Shuffle 4G?.

I have this script.
https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile=view=mount-iphone.sh



If I understand your question correctly, the below command should help you:
$ wget
'https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile=get=mount-iphone.sh'
$ sh ./iPhone*.sh

--
John Doe

Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[Brian]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 15:28:41 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2020-07-31 at 15:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> >> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
> >> extra space or other character in the first two columns?
> > 
> > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
> > set off such a monster thread :-)
> 
> To be honest, after your last sign-off reply, I wasn't sure you were
> even reading the remainder of the thread.

I'd fallen asleep, in spite of reading every post.

-- 
Brian.

Re: grub update and reinstallation

[Andrew Cater]

In addition - this is booting in legacy/BIOS mode not in UEFI - otherwise
it would have mentioned grub-efi

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:38 PM Brian  wrote:

> On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
>
> > The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions:
> > 1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector?
>
> Yes.
>
> > 2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically?
>
> Yes.
>
> > I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think
> > the answer to 2) for my system is yes.
> >
> > When I did the upgrade the terminal showed
> > -
> > Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ...
> > Installing for i386-pc platform.
> > Installation finished. No error reported.
> > Generating grub configuration file ...
> > 
> > The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear.
>
> It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant?
>
> > In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location.
>
> Why should it?
>
> --
> Brian.
>
>

Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 15:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
>> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
>> extra space or other character in the first two columns?
> 
> Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
> set off such a monster thread :-)

To be honest, after your last sign-off reply, I wasn't sure you were
even reading the remainder of the thread.

>>  -- t   # Looks nice, almost the same
> 
> Good idea.
> 
>> - - t   # A little weird, but very distinctive
> 
> Also a good one.

> I'll try for a while No. 2. Can't vouch for my muscle memory, though.
> 
> Cheers
> - -t

That could be an improvement, yes.

If I might suggest another possibility? To whatever hard-to-pin-down
part of me finds any of this objectionable, I think something like

 --t

would be even less of a problem than any of the above, while still being
just as easy to type. Removing the separation between the dashes and the
initial, as well as placing extra indentation before the dashes, helps
make clear to my subconscious that the dashes are a lead-in to the
initial, rather than being a form of the standard-specified delimiter.

(I've used something similar to that form, with my own three initials
rather than just one, in various spots in my workplace in the past.)

Whether that would hold for anyone else, including Brad, I of course
can't say.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[Brian]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 21:04:32 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
> > extra space or other character in the first two columns?
> 
> Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
> set off such a monster thread :-)

You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a
habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :)

-- 
Brian.

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:25:42 -0400
Carl Fink  wrote:

...

> I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
> providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
> with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
> The most economical one I have heard of
> (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
> find it hard to beat the price.

"No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port
blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their
"sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month)
is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month):

http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html
http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php

Celejar

Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 

[...]

> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
> extra space or other character in the first two columns?

Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would
set off such a monster thread :-)

>  -- t   # Looks nice, almost the same

Good idea.

> - - t   # A little weird, but very distinctive

Also a good one.

> ++t # That looks like it could be a classic

Hm. I happen to like C (weird, I know), but not in this spot.

> ==t # Implies that you are your message

Needs shift on my keyboard (yes, I do it manually!).

> +=t # The joke gets weirder

See ==t

> ..t # Maybe three would be better?

Nice, actually. Might trigger a WordStar dot command. There seem
to be weird MUAs out there. Better not tempt destiny.

> ...t# Too much trouble

Even more WordStar danger.

> t   # Authoritative, but not self-important

Visually not very distinctive. Brad may have missed this
one.

> [t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop

AltGr key. Even worse than ==t

> 't  # LISP is back

Shift key. See ==t. Although I'd *love* this one.

> It is apparently driving some people crazy because their MUAs
> are slightly broken.

See [1].

> If not, well, I certainly understand.

I'll try for a while No. 2. Can't vouch for my muscle memory, though.

Cheers
- -t


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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 09:51:57PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:

[...]

> > I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
> > machine with a couple (~4) of friends.
> > 
> > Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
> > But not much.
> 
> Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM
> then we can talk specifics off-list.

Hm. They host customer stuff there: I don't think they'd be open. But I'd
let you know in that case...


Cheers
-- t


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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Carl Fink]

On 7/31/20 12:31 PM, Didar Hossain wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:

On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:

I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
(25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.

I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
The most economical one I have heard of
(https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
find it hard to beat the price.

Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing
CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster
instance.


You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
made no detectable difference.

Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know
that Rimu are not blocking ports.


For whatever it is worth, my Debian VPS on Rimuhosting is
currently serving four low-traffic domains, for web and mail,
including three WordPress instances. Postfix for MTA,
Dovecot for IMAP, RoundCube for webmail. I don't bother
hosting my own DNS at the moment.

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Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

Re: grub update and reinstallation

[Brian]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:

> The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions:
> 1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector?

Yes.

> 2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically?

Yes.

> I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think
> the answer to 2) for my system is yes.
> 
> When I did the upgrade the terminal showed
> -
> Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ...
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> Installation finished. No error reported.
> Generating grub configuration file ...
> 
> The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear.

It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant?

> In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location.

Why should it?

-- 
Brian.

grub update and reinstallation

[Ross Boylan]

The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions:
1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector?
2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically?

I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think
the answer to 2) for my system is yes.

When I did the upgrade the terminal showed
-
Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ...
Installing for i386-pc platform.
Installation finished. No error reported.
Generating grub configuration file ...

The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear.
In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location.

Mucking around in the scripts,
/var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst includes
  if grub-install --target=i386-pc --force --no-floppy
$real_device ; then
and grub-pc/install-devices is set to a plausible value in
/var/cache/debconf/config.data.
So my guess is it is installed there.  But I'm not sure the actual
execution hits that code path.

It is perhaps reassuring that "Installing for" does not occur in the
postinst script, so that it seems likely to have come from the invocation
of grub-install.

Thanks.
Ross Boylan

Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?

[Semih Ozlem]

Also dpkg has the following options to check files,  dpkg -V packagename
for verifying, dpkg -C packagename for auditing

   -V, --verify [package-name...]
  Verifies the integrity of package-name or all packages if
omitted, by comparing information from the files installed by a package
with the files metadata information
  stored  in the dpkg database (since dpkg 1.17.2).  The origin
of the files metadata information in the database is the binary packages
themselves. That metadata gets
  collected at package unpack time during the installation
process.

  Currently the only functional check performed is an md5sum
verification of the file contents against the stored value in  the  files
 database.   It  will  only  get
  checked if the database contains the file md5sum. To check
for any missing metadata in the database, the --audit command can be used.

  The  output  format  is  selectable with the --verify-format
option, which by default uses the rpm format, but that might change in the
future, and as such, programs
  parsing this command output should be explicit about the
format they expect.

   -C, --audit [package-name...]
  Performs database sanity and consistency checks for
package-name or all packages if omitted (per package checks since  dpkg
 1.17.10).   For  example,  searches  for
  packages that have been installed only partially on your
system or that have missing, wrong or obsolete control data or files. dpkg
will suggest what to do with them
  to get them fixed.

Sven Joachim , 31 Tem 2020 Cum, 19:43 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

> On 2020-07-31 15:10 +0200, local10 wrote:
>
> > Am looking for a way to reinstall a package and all "subpackages" the
> > package depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages.
>
> Something like this should do the trick:
>
> # aptitude reinstall mypackage '~i~Rmypackage'
>
> See the "Search term reference" in the aptitude user manual[1].
> I haven't found a way to that recursively.
>
> Cheers,
>Sven
>
>
> 1. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html
>
>

[no subject]

[William Torrez Corea]

How to mount an iPod Shuffle 4G?.

I have this script.
https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile=view=mount-iphone.sh
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With kindest regards, William.

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Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:40:48 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> . Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work,
>   and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined
>   in the reference above.

Note that edits to /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules will be
overwritten on the next upgrade to whatever package generates that
file.

The solution to that problem is to copy the file
97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ and edit it there.

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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:08:09PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or 
> > > any
> > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my 
> > > email.
> > > 
> > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP 
> > > ports
> > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their 
> > > network.
> > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my 
> > > design has
> > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > > 
> > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > > 
> > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS 
> > > providers
> > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
> > more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
> > run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
> > SPF and DKIM.
> > Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
> > is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.
> 
> Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who
> have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate
> senders to host on them.
> 
> I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is
> something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers
> are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks.
> 
> > One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
> > originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
> > some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
> > ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.
> 
> True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and
> that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout.
> 
> > I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
> > A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
> > and were very "linux friendly" at that time.
> 
> Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25?
>

Yes,
AWS requires to "register" your mailserver.
They allow for a small amount of out traffic without that, but
if you intend to use this as a proper mail server, you have
to tell them. I've never been on any dns-blocklist so far and I do check
regularly for all my server.

-H

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Re: Signature not working

[Stefan Monnier]

> In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted
> when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the
> signature block and not actually anything that will need to be
> responded to.

Just like the `\tStefan` at the end of this email, the `-- t` is *not*
meant to be part of the signature block.  It'd need a `-- \n` before
that to be discounted as such.

So, if my `\tStefan` is not a problem, then his `-- t` shouldn't be
a problem either.  So, is my `\tStefan` a problem as well for you?


Stefan

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
> reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
> issues.
> 
> Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
> significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
> gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
> network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
> and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.

Exactly my fear and that is why I am on the hunt for a reputable IP/ASN space.

> If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
> real world best practices for sending email:
> 
> https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/

That is a comprehensive list and I intend to implement at least MTA-STS/TLSRPT
and consider SPF/DKIM/DMARC as standard stuff.

> I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
> company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
> of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
> complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.
> 
> https://www.mailop.org/

Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying
to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

> https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Added for consideration.


Kind regards,
Didar




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Re: setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts [SOLVED]

[Gary Dale]

On 2020-07-31 11:32, Henning Follmann wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:12:53AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system.

I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin scripts
but I'm having some problems getting it to work.

I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to
/etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that cgi-bin
is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I believe
redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I can get.

I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along with
their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to the file
in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. Next I tried
copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same results. Even when I
changed the ownership of the directory and its files from root:root to
www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute.

Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box asking
me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me the option of
Kate).

To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the external
web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have restarted the
apache2 service multiple times even though the config has not changed.

Can anyone figure out what I'm missing?


Did you enable it?
sudo a2enmod cgi


-H


That did the trick. Thanks.

Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2020-07-31 15:10 +0200, local10 wrote:

> Am looking for a way to reinstall a package and all "subpackages" the
> package depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages.

Something like this should do the trick:

# aptitude reinstall mypackage '~i~Rmypackage'

See the "Search term reference" in the aptitude user manual[1].
I haven't found a way to that recursively.

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:36:46PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Didar Hossain  writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or 
> > any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> >
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP 
> > ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their 
> > network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my 
> > design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> >
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> >
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS 
> > providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
> If you intrested in Google Compute Engine, this is useful:
> https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail/using-mailgun?hl=en

I don't want to use mailgun/sendgrid/mandrill to send emails, I just want to
take control of my email.

> Also we can open (ingress) port 25 for MX at there Google Compute
> Engine. Personally i'm using Google Compute Engine -- Ubuntu
> 18.04. And running MTA is Postfix.

Good for you, but, I guess you are using mailgun for outgoing.

Kind regards,
Didar


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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or 
> > any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> > 
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP 
> > ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their 
> > network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my 
> > design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > 
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > 
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS 
> > providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> > 
> 
> I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
> more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
> run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
> SPF and DKIM.
> Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
> is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.

Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who
have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate
senders to host on them.

I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is
something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers
are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks.

> One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
> originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
> some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
> ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.

True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and
that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout.

> I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
> A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
> and were very "linux friendly" at that time.

Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25?

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Sun in the night, everyone is together,
Ascending into the heavens, life is forever.
-- Brand X, "Moroccan Roll/Sun in the Night"

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP 
> > ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their 
> > network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my 
> > design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
> providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
> with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
> The most economical one I have heard of
> (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
> find it hard to beat the price.

Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing
CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster
instance.

> You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
> but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
> traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
> has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
> of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
> away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
> made no detectable difference.

Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know
that Rimu are not blocking ports.

Kind regards,
Didar

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Re: [OT] Lisp is back

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2020-07-31 18:53:58+03, Reco wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> 't  # LISP is back
>
> It's not a LISP unless it features round braces!

That statement is not quite true but there are actually hidden
parentheses in 't. There is reader macro ' and expression 't is expanded
to (quote t).

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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:05:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530
> Didar Hossain  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or 
> > any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> > 
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP 
> > ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their 
> > network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my 
> > design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > 
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > 
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS 
> > providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
> Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It
> may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such
> topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange,
> Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey:
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

Yes, those hosting providers to seem a little pricey, but if I am able send and
receive emails without *much* problems I can consider them.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the
mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God.
-- J. Gustav White

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or 
> > any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
> machine with a couple (~4) of friends.
> 
> Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
> But not much.

Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM
then we can talk specifics off-list.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Q:  How does the Polish Constitution differ from the American?
A:  Under the Polish Constitution citizens are guaranteed freedom of
speech, but under the United States constitution they are
guaranteed freedom after speech.
-- being told in Poland, 1987

Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?

[local10]

Jul 31, 2020, 15:28 by semihozlemlinuxu...@gmail.com:

> ...
> Also I did not put any license agreement on this, and did not think about it 
> commercially. I am assuming that this wont be used for commercial purposes, 
> but educational purposes, or for the purpose of making open source more 
> available. I do not consider it a major improvement over aptitude or the 
> whole debian and linux project. But should you consider using it for 
> commercial purposes, or outside open-source goals and aims, I would like to 
> know, and ask to discuss such use.
>
> Semih Ozlem
>

Thanks for the detailed response, I'll look into it.

My need for this is just a personal one-time use. I have a package that started 
to behave a bit strange so I want to reinstall it with all its dependencies 
just to be sure that nothing got corrupted over time. I was hoping  there would 
be a simple, easy way to do it but if not my plan was to purge the package and 
its dependences with aptitude's --purge-unused option and then just install it 
again as if it was new. I think this may be a simpler option for me.

Regards,

Re: Signature not working

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 11:29, David Wright wrote:

> On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote:

>> The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would
>> have done.
> 
> That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information
> in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work."

I think that he might have been referring to another of my replies -
most likely either the one timestamped 07:24 EST, or the one timestamped
07:17 EST, both from today.

The "that" he was referring to, from context, appears to be Tomas' reply
which boiled down to "no, I won't stop doing this", and to which my
07:17 mail was a reply.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Signature not working

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 11:30, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> I can read everything fine.  Nothing gets trashed, but things that
>> one expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig
>> separator) because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't
>> occur.
> 
> I don't see any text following his `-- t`. What text do you see after
> `-- t` that you think should be hidden?

In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted
when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the
signature block and not actually anything that will need to be
responded to.

To be honest, I rather suspect you already understood that.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 10:58, Reco wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:47:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote:

>> > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected.
>> 
>> Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific,
> 
> kmail apparently mistakes '-- t' for the MIME-separator.
> 
> The "offending" e-mail actually look like this:
> 
> == cut ==
> 
> -- t
> 
> --gKMricLos+KVdGMg
> Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
> Content-Description: Digital signature
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> 
> == cut ==
> 
> Where "-- t" is a signature and is contained inside of a MIME-part, and
> "--gKMricLos+KVdGMg" is an actual RFC2045-compilant separator.
> 
> 
>> and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are 
>> relevant here?
> 
> The lack of aforementioned confusion. The signature shows as the
> author intended, gpg validation happens as expected.

That does indeed look like a kmail bug, as you say.

But it's not what I understand the problem being discussed to be.

>> I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what
>> I understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my 
>> understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance
>> with a particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be
>> basically universal across all compliant mail clients.
> 
> RFC2045 is a standard, but we all know that certain proprietary MUA
> which deliberately violates almost all standards if it comes to
> e-mail. Apparently both KDE and Mozilla consider more important to be
> compatible with this certain MUA than to follow actual standards
> closely.

As indicated in another mail, I consider the relevant RFC to be RFC3676,
specifically section 4.3. RFC2045 had not entered my scope here, never
mind the proprietary MUA you're probably referring to (which, for all I
know, may not actually respect RFC3676 either - I should probably test
that, actually, next time I have some downtime while on-shift).

The original objector has also said that GPG/PGP has nothing to do with
his objection, so I suspect that this kmail bug is an unrelated side
issue.

For what it may be worth, in defense of Mozilla and the people who
inherited Thunderbird from them, Tomas' mails validate fine in
Thunderbird for me.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: [OT] Lisp is back (was: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig)

[Reco]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> [Hey everybody, stand back, I'm going to try something new.]
> 
> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
> extra space or other character in the first two columns?

All these displayed perfectly:

>  -- t   # Looks nice, almost the same
> - - t   # A little weird, but very distinctive
> ++t # That looks like it could be a classic
> ==t # Implies that you are your message
> +=t # The joke gets weirder
> ..t # Maybe three would be better?
> ...t# Too much trouble
> t   # Authoritative, but not self-important
> [t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop

But this - this is an abomination:

> 't  # LISP is back

It's not a LISP unless it features round braces!

( Reco )

Re: Signature not working

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:29:56 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

Hello David,

>kmail's alleged bug. But surely, if kmail has a bug, then isn't the
>correct path to report it?

Indeed.

 BUT:

I don't use kmail. 

Finally (IOW, last I'm going to say on the subject);  I've dealt with
the problem.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Success defined by acquisition stinks
Money is Not Our God -  Killing Joke


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Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig

[Dan Ritter]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:55:22AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 30 iul 20, 17:13:18, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:58:10 +0200
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> > > 
> > > *PLEASE* fix your sig separator.
> > 
> > What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?
> 
> (Thanks, Andrei :-)
> 
> And to the OP...
> 
> I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there SHOULD
> be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh-- dash.
> 
> -- t

Tomas --

[Hey everybody, stand back, I'm going to try something new.]

Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an
extra space or other character in the first two columns?

 -- t   # Looks nice, almost the same
- - t   # A little weird, but very distinctive
++t # That looks like it could be a classic
==t # Implies that you are your message
+=t # The joke gets weirder
..t # Maybe three would be better?
...t# Too much trouble
t   # Authoritative, but not self-important
[t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop
't  # LISP is back

It is apparently driving some people crazy because their MUAs
are slightly broken.

If not, well, I certainly understand.

-dsr-

-- 
https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
there is no justice, there is just us

Re: Signature not working

[Stefan Monnier]

> I can read everything fine.  Nothing gets trashed, but things that one
> expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator)
> because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur.

I don't see any text following his `-- t`.
What text do you see after `-- t` that you think should be hidden?


Stefan

Re: setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:12:53AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system.
> 
> I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin scripts
> but I'm having some problems getting it to work.
> 
> I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to
> /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that cgi-bin
> is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I believe
> redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I can get.
> 
> I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along with
> their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to the file
> in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. Next I tried
> copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same results. Even when I
> changed the ownership of the directory and its files from root:root to
> www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute.
> 
> Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box asking
> me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me the option of
> Kate).
> 
> To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the external
> web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have restarted the
> apache2 service multiple times even though the config has not changed.
> 
> Can anyone figure out what I'm missing?
> 

Did you enable it?
sudo a2enmod cgi


-H



-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: Signature not working

[David Wright]

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:00:03 +0300 Reco  wrote:
> 
> >I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that
> >mishandles that is broken in this regard.
> 
> I can read everything fine.  Nothing gets trashed, but things that one
> expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator)
> because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur.  When asked to
> correct the problem, Tomas' answer boiled down to "No".

I'm not really sure what the implications are of Reco's post about
kmail's alleged bug. But surely, if kmail has a bug, then isn't the
correct path to report it?

> The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would
> have done.

That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information
in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work."

> Since Tomas refuses to play nice, I've dealt with the issue in my own
> way.

I like to clean out all the salutations and valedictions from material
I quote, so a one-line signature like -- t's is more helpful to me than
long rambling signatures. (It sometimes transpires that people don't
even stand by the quotations their own signatures contain.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Signature not working

[Stefan Monnier]

>>Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as
> No, I'm not confused.  '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator.

Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as
a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but just as
the last line of text in his email, which stands more or less for
his name.

There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play:
A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature.
B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name at the
   end of his text
C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity.

Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my `-nStefan`
below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar it does indeed
correctly fall into the (B) category.

IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no
idea what makes you think so.


Stefan

setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts

[Gary Dale]

My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system.

I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin 
scripts but I'm having some problems getting it to work.


I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to 
/etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that 
cgi-bin is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I 
believe redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I 
can get.


I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along 
with their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to 
the file in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. 
Next I tried copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same 
results. Even when I changed the ownership of the directory and its 
files from root:root to www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute.


Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box 
asking me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me 
the option of Kate).


To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the 
external web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have 
restarted the apache2 service multiple times even though the config has 
not changed.


Can anyone figure out what I'm missing?

Thanks.

Re: Signature not working

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:00:03 +0300
Reco  wrote:

Hello Reco,

>I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that
>mishandles that is broken in this regard.

I can read everything fine.  Nothing gets trashed, but things that one
expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator)
because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur.  When asked to
correct the problem, Tomas' answer boiled down to "No".

The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would
have done.

Since Tomas refuses to play nice, I've dealt with the issue in my own
way.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Watching the people get lairy
I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs


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Re: Signature not working

[Reco]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 02:50:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as
> 
> No, I'm not confused.  '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator.

I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that
mishandles that is broken in this regard.

Reco

Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[Reco]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:47:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote:
> >>> Quirks are fine, when things continue to work.  Your sig
> >>> separator fails completely.
> >> 
> >> "Fails" in what way?  He doesn't actually have a "signature file". 
> >> He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a
> >> signature message.  He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each
> >> email.
> >> 
> >> You're not missing out on any content.
> > 
> > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected.
> 
> Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific,

kmail apparently mistakes '-- t' for the MIME-separator.

The "offending" e-mail actually look like this:

== cut ==

-- t

--gKMricLos+KVdGMg
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

== cut ==

Where "-- t" is a signature and is contained inside of a MIME-part, and
"--gKMricLos+KVdGMg" is an actual RFC2045-compilant separator.


> and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are
> relevant here?

The lack of aforementioned confusion. The signature shows as the author
intended, gpg validation happens as expected.


> I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what I
> understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my
> understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance with a
> particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be basically
> universal across all compliant mail clients.

RFC2045 is a standard, but we all know that certain proprietary MUA
which deliberately violates almost all standards if it comes to e-mail.
Apparently both KDE and Mozilla consider more important to be compatible
with this certain MUA than to follow actual standards closely.

Reco

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
> reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
> issues.
> 
> Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
> significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
> gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
> network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
> and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.
> 
> If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
> real world best practices for sending email:
> 
> https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/
> 
> I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
> company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
> of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
> complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.
> 
When it comes to Linode I wonder how much of what you have observed
results from Linode as a service provider in general and how much from
the individuals running the actual services.  In my case, I have used
Linode exclusively for more than 4 years for both inbound and outbound
mail.  Apart from one of the IPs I was initially assigned being on some
blacklists (a situation which was easily corrected), I have not
experienced any problems with major providers (GMail, Yahoo, Microsoft,
etc.) rejecting or blocking my mail servers.

If Linode had systemic problems of the nature you describe I would have
expected to have actually experienced difficulty with mail from my
servers to those major providers.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Signature not working

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:59:35 -0400
Stefan Monnier  wrote:

Hello Stefan,

>Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as

No, I'm not confused.  '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator.

Unfortunately, I forgot to change the Subject header, and when somebody
else did, they used a misleading term.

>the PGP authentication of messages and is unrelated to the `-- \n`

PGP/GPG is irrelevant for this.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Just coz they do it in the movies, doesn't mean to say that it's cool
Keep It Clean - The Vibrators


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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?

You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
issues.

Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.

If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
real world best practices for sending email:

https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/

I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.

https://www.mailop.org/

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

[David Wright]

> On Thu 30 Jul 2020 at 17:56:21 (+), David wrote:
> > […] Now, when I 1st downloaded your ISO and put it on a Flash
> > Drive all was going great.  Booted up[,] lo[w] and behold my
> > Logitech worked that is until I installed/restarted.  No more Logitech.

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 02:06:08 (-0700), didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
> perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case:
>  
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 06:31:52 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 + David  wrote:
> 
> > Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look.
> > As said wireless no longer works.

It looks as though you have two choices. Either:

. Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work,
  and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined
  in the reference above.

Or:

. Boot with the installation flash drive and repeat the installation.
  Before it terminates, effect the repair as outlined above, but with
  one important change:
  Repair the file /target/lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules
  rather than the file /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules
  because /target is where your new installation is being built.

  "Before it terminates"—when is a good time? With expert non-graphical
  installation, there are several opportunities:
- Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk
- Finish the installation (clock setting)
- Finish the installation (remove installation media)
  There may be fewer occasions when using non-expert/other methods.

  At the chosen opportune time, type Alt-F2 and press Return to get a shell.
  Effect the repair.
  Type Alt-F1 (or Alt-←) to return to the installation screen.

Cheers,
David.

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[황병희]

Didar Hossain  writes:

> Hi,
>
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
>
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design 
> has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
>
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
>
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.

If you intrested in Google Compute Engine, this is useful:
https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail/using-mailgun?hl=en

Also we can open (ingress) port 25 for MX at there Google Compute
Engine. Personally i'm using Google Compute Engine -- Ubuntu
18.04. And running MTA is Postfix.

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:56:10PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>  OK, I will studz and try the manz options you have explain to me.
> 
> > Your posts are sometimes nearly... whimsical.
> 
>  Many of you have tell me such things, "you should know that ... "
> "why do you even ask if it is so easz to find the answer on the
> Internet?" ...

Don't take it personally. It was just a short form of "I'm unsure
whether I have managed to interpret your meaning correctly, so
please watch out for the possibility that I got that totally wrong"
or something like that.

So please understand that rather as "I'm not sure I've managed to
decode you correctly, so watch out and help, please".

>  Posts are not "whimsical" per se, what makes it so if the impedance
> in the assumptions framed by your background and someone else s
> conditions/reality. Like right now i have to type using two keyboards
> ...

Definitely. I was just stating my impression, which has as much to
do with me as with you as with the medium in-between. That said,
of course "Your posts are ... whimsical" sounds much more absolute
than it was meant to.

>  I am in Germany right now living in a half way house without access
> to the Internet ... (you donät want to know more ;-))

Ah, that sound äxciting :)

>  Also, the kinds of problems I work on (corpora research of free text)
> are kind of demanding, zou cant "solve" such problems nicely with OOP
> and such paradigms, because zou cant model text with DAGs .

That sounds even more exciting. Confusion networks?

Cheers
-- t


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aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?

[local10]

Am looking for a way to reinstall  a package and all "subpackages" the package 
depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages.

Any ideas? Thanks

Re: grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found

[Steve McIntyre]

Reco wrote:
>   Hi.
>
>On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:05:56AM +0200, Christoph K. wrote:
>> Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and
>> let me know what to do or what information you need.
>
>They've released an updated version of grub already,
>2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2. Upgrade again, and you trouble should go away.

No, the only change there was a fix for EFI chainloading.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane

Re: Signature not working

[Stefan Monnier]

>>Do you mean that his -- t
>
> Of course I do.

Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as
much as my `\tStefan` below which I occasionally change to `-- Stefan`
depending on the indentation of the previous text).

The signature problem you're apparently seeing in your MUA is linked to
the PGP authentication of messages and is unrelated to the `-- \n`
convention used to separate the message's main content from some extra
text traditionally taken from `~/.signature`.


Stefan

Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading

[Stefan Monnier]

> IMO, allthose question as irrelevant - the problem is the IO. You can try it
> easily. get USB 2.0 and put a VM on it -

I have and have had no such problems.
I strongly suspect that there's something else at play.
E.g. its VM is performing a lot of disk IO.


Stefan

Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:45:57AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

>>> Quirks are fine, when things continue to work.  Your sig
>>> separator fails completely.
>> 
>> "Fails" in what way?  He doesn't actually have a "signature file". 
>> He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a
>> signature message.  He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each
>> email.
>> 
>> You're not missing out on any content.
> 
> It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected.

Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific, and B: what
behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are relevant here?

I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what I
understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my
understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance with a
particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be basically
universal across all compliant mail clients.

If mutt is somehow managing to produce the behavior which I would would
be called for by the compliant delimiter, despite not seeing such a
delimiter, then I'm curious as to how.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:45:57AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> > 
> > >I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of
> > 
> > Quirks are fine, when things continue to work.  Your sig separator fails
> > completely.
> 
> "Fails" in what way?  He doesn't actually have a "signature file".
> He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a signature
> message.  He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each email.
> 
> You're not missing out on any content.

It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected.

Reco

Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 +
David  wrote:

> Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look.
> As said wireless
> no longer works.

Please reply to the list so that others can see and possibly benefit
from the exchange.

Try booting to an old Linux. If you don't have one handy, finnix
(command line only) does an excellent job for this sort of thing.
Knoppix (GUI) should also.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design 
> has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 

I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
SPF and DKIM.
Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.

One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.

I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
and were very "linux friendly" at that time.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...

[Albretch Mueller]

 OK, I will studz and try the manz options you have explain to me.

> Your posts are sometimes nearly... whimsical.

 Many of you have tell me such things, "you should know that ... "
"why do you even ask if it is so easz to find the answer on the
Internet?" ...

 Posts are not "whimsical" per se, what makes it so if the impedance
in the assumptions framed by your background and someone else s
conditions/reality. Like right now i have to type using two keyboards
...

 I am in Germany right now living in a half way house without access
to the Internet ... (you donät want to know more ;-))

 Also, the kinds of problems I work on (corpora research of free text)
are kind of demanding, zou cant "solve" such problems nicely with OOP
and such paradigms, because zou cant model text with DAGs .

 lbrtchx

Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> 
> >I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of
> 
> Quirks are fine, when things continue to work.  Your sig separator fails
> completely.

"Fails" in what way?  He doesn't actually have a "signature file".
He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a signature
message.  He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each email.

You're not missing out on any content.

Re: [HS] Questions sur un câblage Ethernet sur Coaxial

[Olivier]

Le jeu. 30 juil. 2020 à 15:07, Dominique Dumont  a écrit :

> On Monday, 27 July 2020 11:14:42 CEST Olivier wrote:
> > En utilisant un testeur de type [2] (pas le même modèle mais un
> équivalent)
> > connecté à chaque extrémité RJ45, à ma grande surprise, aucun des 8
> témoins
> > lumineux ne s'allumait [3] (j'écarte les erreurs de repérage car j'ai eu
> le
> > même résultat en opérant sur toutes les prises RJ45 du point central).
>
> Si j'ai bien compris la doc du Combining Filter Unit, seul le signal
> continu
> utilisé par ton testeur ne peut passer le filtre: Si j'ai bonne mémoire,
> le
> balun est fait avec un transformateur en ferrite.
>
> Ça ne peut se tester qu'avec des signaux data.
>
> HTH
>

Si j'ai l'occasion, je ferai un test sur place avec deux équipements
informatiques 10base-T , puisque c'est la norme supportée.
Merci pour cette réponse.

Re: Signature not working

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:15:40 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello rhkra...@gmail.com,

>Do you mean that his -- t

Of course I do.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Drums quite good, bass is too loud, and I can't hear the words
Sound Of The Suburbs - Members


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Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Carl Fink]

On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:

I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
(25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.


I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
The most economical one I have heard of
(https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
find it hard to beat the price.

You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
made no detectable difference.

--
Carl Fink   nitpick...@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design 
> has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
I persoally use Linode for the last four years.  You can easily host a
not very busy MX on the smallest Linode (a Nanode) and the don't block
any ports.  They also make it trivially easy to go between different
"sizes" of Linodes.

The only problem I have is that when I first started, the IP of one my
MXs had previously been used by a spammer and so was on some blacklists.
I had to request the removal from the lists.  However, the same thing
happened to me nearly 20 years ago when I set up my first MX on a hard
wired on-premesis server with a static IP, so that phenomenon is not
unique to cloud hosting.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Signature not working

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-07-31 at 07:15, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Andrei,
>> 
>>> What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?
>> 
>> It doesn't work.
> 
> From left field (I learned that I probably shouldn't say "from the
> peanut gallery" as its origins may be racist): What doesn't work?



> Ah, or maybe I see now -- when I reply to you, your signature (as
> above) is not copied into my reply, when I reply to t, his -- t does
> show up in the reply?

In properly-compliant mail (etc.) software, when replying to a message
which contains the '-- [newline]' signature delimiter, that delimiter
and everything that appears after it will be automatically omitted from
the quoted text.

Among possibly other things, this makes the process of properly quoting
when replying both simpler and easier to work with, except for the rare
case where you actually want to reply to something that's contained in
the signature.

There may or may not also be clients which (can be configured to) hide
the signature when displaying a message for reading. I've never noticed
one, but there might be people who would want that.

A nonstandard signature delimiter is not detected by such software, and
so this behavior does not happen. The signature lines have to be deleted
by hand on replies.

In this case, there's pre-signature-delimiter boilerplate which is being
used anyway, and so would have to be deleted by hand regardless, so the
effect is minimal. It's still a bit of a pain, and the principle
(whatever it may be if spelled out in words) is still no less important.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Dan Ritter]

Andrei POPESCU wrote: 
> On Jo, 30 iul 20, 23:31:01, Nicolas George wrote:
> > 
> > The ZOTAC ZBOX CA621 Nano, based on AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, works, including
> > GPU, with Debian stable but kernel 5.7.0-1-amd64 and firmwares from
> > testing.
> 
> Is the processor powerful enough to decode 4K video in software?

Probably, but it has a GPU built in which works perfectly well
with the AMDGPU driver.

-dsr-

Re: Signature not working

[rhkramer]

On Friday, July 31, 2020 07:15:40 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote: 

On Friday, July 31, 2020 07:15:40 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Or the PGP signatures don't work?

I meant to say that both his messages and your messages show up with the "End 
of signed message." line in kmail.

They both also start with the "Not enough information to check signature 
validity." line, but that is because I don't have (either of) your public 
keys.

Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[The Wanderer]

(There is a non-negligible chance that I will be so nervous about the
possible contents of replies to this mail that I will not end up ever
reading them. I am occasionally subject to bouts of unreasoning terror
about such things.)

On 2020-07-31 at 05:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there
> SHOULD be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh--
> dash.
> 
> I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of 
> Postel's Principle [1] applied to me as I grant it to everyone else.

> [1] I know... again. There are people who don't really like Postel's 
> Principle. I do. I do not want to discuss with you.

I too like Postel's Principle [1], and I generally apply it to scopes
within my control (including this one), or at least try to do so.
However, that principle has two halves, and the "send" side is no less
important than the "receive" side.

I have never heard of, much less am in a position to use, any mail /
etc. software which supports detecting and reacting appropriately to the
variant of signature delimiter which you are apparently choosing to use.
Not all of the software which I use, and potentially not any of it, is
something whose behavior is within my scope of control to change in this
regard.

(Plus, this delimiter is something which is considerably more likely to
appear in an actual message body than is the standard [2] delimiter,
such that adding support for it would be likely to break things.)

By choosing to use such a variant rather than the standard form, you are
(apparently deliberately) choosing to not be interoperable with existing
software. To me, that does not appear to be consistent with Postel's
Principle; you are not being conservative in what you emit. I find it
hard to see how "personal idiosyncrasy" (i.e., "quirk") can be enough to
excuse this.

The effect is very minor in this case, and no worse than the (numerous)
people who - whether by choice, by ignorance, or by software limitation
- do not use a signature delimiter at all (especially since part of the
boilerplate which should be considered the signature - the word
"Cheers" - is being placed *before* the delimiter, and so would have to
be deleted by hand from a reply anyway). Both the principle and the
minor real-world effect, however, remain.

I am posting not so much because of your signature delimiter itself or
because I can't "be liberal in what I accept" in this regard as because
I am genuinely startled by your position on this, and even more by your
apparent position in regard to discussing it and the whys of it and so
forth. Of all the people whom I have seen more than briefly active on
this mailing list in the last several years, you would have been
literally the *last* I would have expected to see behave like an asshole
other than by accident - even behind myself.

(And now I'm nervous about the possibility that this will somehow
escalate to the point of mods shutting down the subthread for being
offtopic and pushing the Code of Conduct, with the use of that word as
part of the reason meaning specific consequences - even if only a
reprimand - directed at me. This is probably overreaction, but it's
still true.)

> (And please: take this all with a grain of salt).

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by this, in this context. To take
something with a grain of salt is to keep in mind the possibility that
it might not actually be true, and in this context, that reads to me as
"don't take this seriously, I don't necessarily actually mean it" - but
everything else you're saying here seems to indicate that you *do* mean
it, so discounting it on that basis would seem inapplicable.

I've had to check the calendar at least twice in the course of writing
this mail, just to make sure that this wasn't somehow April Fool's Day
or some other joke-based reason why you might be doing this without
actually being serious about it, since that's the only reason I can
think of why you would advise to not believe what you're saying while
still bothering to actually stick with the position in this way.

If you genuinely are serious about this, then I have lost a level of the
respect I had for you.


[1] "Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from
others." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle

[2] "Standard" in this context as in, defined by RFC. In this case,
that's RFC 3676:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block#Standard_delimiter
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Signature not working

[rhkramer]

On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrei,
> 
> >What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?
> 
> It doesn't work.

From left field (I learned that I probably shouldn't say "from the peanut 
gallery" as its origins may be racist): What doesn't work?

Do you mean that his -- t (or your:

 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Give me a reason for living
Call Me Up - Gang of Four

... is not visible?

Or the PGP signatures don't work?

Of maybe some people have email clients that hide the signature (like -- t) so 
it doesn't catch my eye and I read (or start to read) it each time I read an 
email (boy would I love that -- maybe I write a filter in kmail to strip or 
hide those -- for me, that is a worthy goal).

Ah, or maybe I see now -- when I reply to you, your signature (as above) is 
not copied into my reply, when I reply to t, his -- t does show up in the 
reply?

Re: Homebuilt NAS Advice

[Celejar]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:21:00 -0600
Charles Curley  wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:40:29 -0700
> Peter Ehlert  wrote:
> 
> > This whole conversation is a bit over my head.
> > I suggest you look into Syncthing.
> > 
> > It's not in the Debian repos, but it is open source and it just works.
> > https://syncthing.net/
> 
> Actually, it is in Buster. However, the version in buster is
> 1.0.0~ds1-1+b11. The version in the syncthing repo is 1.7.1.

FWIW, the version in Sid is 1.1.4~ds1-5. Still behind, but slightly
less behind ;)

Celejar

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530
Didar Hossain  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design 
> has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.

Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It
may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such
topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange,
Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

> Kind regards,
> Didar
> 
> -- 
> Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6
> 
>   "But, soft!  What light through yonder window breaks?"
>   It's nothing, honey.  Go back to sleep.
> 


Celejar

Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:49:14AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrei,
> 
> >What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?
> 
> It doesn't work.

I won't discuss that further.

Cheers
-- t


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Description: Digital signature

Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,

>I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of

Quirks are fine, when things continue to work.  Your sig separator fails
completely.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
It couldn't adapt so it couldn't survive
The Great British Mistake - The Adverts


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Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

Hello Andrei,

>What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?

It doesn't work.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Give me a reason for living
Call Me Up - Gang of Four


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Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.

I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
machine with a couple (~4) of friends.

Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
But not much.

Always sunny, never cloudy :-)

Cheers
-- t


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Description: Digital signature

Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]

[tomas]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:55:22AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 30 iul 20, 17:13:18, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:58:10 +0200
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> > 
> > *PLEASE* fix your sig separator.
> 
> What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")?

(Thanks, Andrei :-)

And to the OP...

I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there SHOULD
be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh-- dash.

I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of
Postel's Principle [1] applied to me as I grant it to everyone else.

By the way, OP: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CHANGE THE MAIL'S SUBJECT LINE,
HEIN?"

Phew. Feels better now ;-P

(And please: take this all with a grain of salt).

Cheers

[1] I know... again. There are people who don't really like Postel's
   Principle. I do. I do not want to discuss with you.

-- t


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Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian 10.4

[didier . gaumet]

Hello,

perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case:
 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse

Re: [HS] Dégafamiser l'internet

[firenze . rt]

Le 31/07/2020 à 09:00, thierry_j a écrit :
> Un lien qui peut intéresser la liste
>
> https://www.latribune.fr/opinions/tribunes/ne-laissons-plus-les-gafa-s-emparer-des-donnees-europeennes-853782.html
>
>
> Thierry
>
À cet article on ne peut plus pertinent, il conviendrait de mentionner
les solutions existantes à soutenir telles que les distributions
GNU/Linux et autres systèmes d'exploitation développés en France et/ou
en Europe (exemple : Mageia, PureOs, Trisquel, etc.) la première étape
serait d'amener nos responsables à visiter distrowatch.com et
framalibre.org. "Qui veut agir se trouve des outils" dit-on.

Firenze

Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading

[john doe]

Answering here to Stefanand Deloptes.

On 7/31/2020 7:54 AM, deloptes wrote:

Stefan Monnier wrote:


What makes you think so?  Does it overheat?  Is the "load average" too
high? Where is the CPU time spent (i.e. e.g. what does `top` say, is it
mostly in "wait"?  "kernel"?  "user"?)?



Load avrage as shown by 'uptime' and my CPU was at full speed when using
the usbkey ('lscpu').


Have you tried to install a similar (tho probably smaller) VM on your
internal storage just in order to see if the problem comes from the
external storage or from the VM itself?




I can confirm that the issue is only when using the usbkey (external
storage).


IMO, allthose question as irrelevant - the problem is the IO. You can try it
easily. get USB 2.0 and put a VM on it - try to start it - you will know
what OP means. Obviously also USB3 are not always USB3 :D


Thanks to DSR, I know that I have a slow device (lacking 'UASP' support)
and this is most likely the issue as everything works fine when using
internal storage.
As uptime takes IO into consideration, what's the best way to
demonstrate that fact?


In other words, what command can I use to ensure that it is a IO issue.


To Deloptes,

I have a single board with only USB 3.0 but thanks for your thoughts.

--
John Doe

Re: grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:05:56AM +0200, Christoph K. wrote:
> Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and
> let me know what to do or what information you need.

They've released an updated version of grub already,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2. Upgrade again, and you trouble should go away.

Reco

grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found

[Christoph K.]

Dear all,

this morning my desktop computer (HP Z220) running debian stable,
instead of booting, gave me a bad surprise. It read something like
this:

error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found

I was able to fix it by booting from cd into rescue mode and
re-install grub.

As far as I remember I didn't do any "suspicious" things to my computer
yesterday.

First investigations: Check the update log:



# tail -20 /var/log/apt/history.log

Start-Date: 2020-07-30  12:50:35
Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
Upgrade: grub-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1),
grub-xen-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1),
grub2-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1),
grub-pc:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-pc-bin:amd64
(2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-xen-host:amd64
(2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) End-Date: 2020-07-30  12:50:47

Start-Date: 2020-07-30  12:50:52
Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
Upgrade: firefox-esr-l10n-de:amd64 (68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1,
68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1), firefox-esr:amd64 (68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1,
68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1) End-Date: 2020-07-30  12:50:58

Start-Date: 2020-07-31  09:30:07
Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
Upgrade: grub-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-xen-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub2-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-pc:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-pc-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-xen-host:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1,
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2) End-Date: 2020-07-31  09:30:21

Start-Date: 2020-07-31  09:44:40
Commandline: apt-get remove unattended-upgrades
Remove: unattended-upgrades:amd64 (1.11.2)
End-Date: 2020-07-31  09:44:41



# uname -a
Linux -Debian 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1
(2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux



Ok, there's the unattended-upgrade (which I honestly wasn't even aware
of) and it did some upgrade to grub which apparently broke the boot
process.


I guess there's something wrong with a recent grub update, as I'm not
the only one facing this problem during the past days:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966575
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1263125/how-to-fix-a-grub-boot-error-symbol-grub-calloc-not-found


I didn't expect this to happen with a debian stable.

Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and
let me know what to do or what information you need.

Best regards,
Christoph

[OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

[Didar Hossain]

Hi,

I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.

I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
(25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.

I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?

Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6

"But, soft!  What light through yonder window breaks?"
It's nothing, honey.  Go back to sleep.

[HS] Dégafamiser l'internet

[thierry_j]

Un lien qui peut intéresser la liste

https://www.latribune.fr/opinions/tribunes/ne-laissons-plus-les-gafa-s-emparer-des-donnees-europeennes-853782.html

Thierry