Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device

[Colin Williams]

Hello everyone,

In hindsight after looking at this much too late there were many
mistakes in my initial mail. The issue may or may not be debian
related and involves at least analyzing the script. There is a claim
in the documentation that

Then I'll make another attempt to further expose my ignorance.

1) kernels configs are located at /boot/. Not sure why I couldn't find
them. Perhaps a typo.

2) CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP is set to M as expected. Using a file as a
loopback seems like it would be a common practice

3) I'm running a script /build_image --board=${BOARD}
--noenable_rootfs_verification dev whose output is shown in
http://ix.io/3v3i

4) I assume the script is supposed to create a file used as a loopback
device to write the image contents

5) The issue then might likely be script related and not debian related

6) I also posted to the chromium-dev google group, waiting for approval

7) I modified the build_image script with set -x, then recorded the
output: http://ix.io/3v6K

8) I believe the issues arise in
https://github.com/drocsid/cros-scripts/blob/main/common.sh which
seems to create the loopback file, etc.

9) from the log output shared above we see:
```++ sync -f 
/mnt/host/source/src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
+++ sudo losetup --show -f
/mnt/host/source/src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
losetup: cannot find an unused loop device
++ lb_dev=
```

Then it appears that `sync -f
/mnt/host/source/src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin`
is the file we are trying to attach as a loopback device using
losetup.

10) The path 
/mnt/host/source/src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
does not exist

11) However from the directory I'm working under a relative
./src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
exists. Then this appears to be the reason for the script errors

12) Looking around I found GCLIENT_ROOT set here
https://github.com/drocsid/cros-scripts/blob/c361371f37d1e298a3810fcc7b11a502043c56ef/cros_workon_make#L12
. I have tried modifying it to the top level directory that contains
./src/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
but something from one of the other scripts seems to set it back.

13) There are also related GCLIENT_ROOT functions sprinkled around in
common.sh E.G. https://github.com/drocsid/cros-scripts/blob/main/common.sh#L265

Then I'm trying to determine why GCLIENT_ROOT is not set properly on
bullseye, and also trying to figure out a way to override it if I
can't fix the scripts directly.




On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:04 AM Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Can someone tell me where I should look for the kernel for the
> > loopback setting?
>
> Quite exactly a year ago i learned the hard way that it's
> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP which on amd64 should be set to "m" to get /dev/loop*.
> See its description at
>   https://sources.debian.org/src/linux/5.10.46-1/drivers/block/Kconfig/#L174
>
> But i'm somewhat puzzled by this statement at the end
>   "Most users will answer N here."
>
> A code search yields no BLK_DEV_LOOP=n
>   
> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=package%3Alinux+BLK_DEV_LOOP%3Dn=0
> but lots of "y" and "m".
>
> (Wasn't there a way to inquire the running kernel's configuration ?)
>
> ---
>
> I see that to...@tuxteam.de did not Cc you. In case you are not subscribed,
> i repeat what he wrote:
>
> > Could you please do a quick
> >  sudo losetup -a
> > and perhaps
> >   ls /dev/loop*
> > and tell us the result?
> > [...] Perhaps they are all used?
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>

Thx for help

[Gunnar Gervin]

Seeing that reason of troubles with crashes, malfunctions, cursor delay etc
with my exmac was simply that Polyna might be right; that my mac 2,1 uses
EFI not Bios to boot. Why? Cos it works with Linux Mint that only uses EFI
in the distro I'm using. I've dual booted the machine to be able to test
out Mint contra  Debian contra Devuan, with EFI.
And: 1 swallow doesn't make a summer, so 1 asshole doesn't make this
helpsite a shithole. Excuse my French, sir, but that is the best
description I can give to that behavior of yours, calling a row of people
possible trolls out of relatively thin air. Should I be tolerant to an
intolerant or shallow thinker? Yes. But not when those thoughts comes out
in slandering words partially behind my back and partially into my face.
But there should also be consequences to my behaviour of abusing this site
for entire articles that mostly talk a LOT about close to zero.
And then slander quite harshly at a guy who just pointed out a possibility
based on logic a la " If it walks, talks & looks like a duck, it's
probably a duck." Added some "Unusual = Crazy"; which probably is
judgementality
And can lead to an idea that "Low Linux knowledge=Unusual (here)=Craziness
& should be adjusted or told off." Resembles Adolf Hitler's paranoias, or
not ?
Back to my slanders: I take a break to learn enough to be able to define an
IT challenge before I ask for help; at least read a bit to see if I already
have the answer to my question/s. I recall from a recent course I failed:
If I hadn't read the obligatory text/s before the lecture on it, I was all
questions; totally unteachable. If I was prepared (default modus), I was
listening; all. teachable.
So I'll sit back for reading up, training (ex-broken back; can't much sit,
a challenge as reader), or work in some real production.
BR,
Gunnar.

See you in 2023 we'll be free

Re: Off request

[Weaver]

On 07-08-2021 09:42, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE wrote:
> On Freitag, 6. August 2021 18:36:08 -04 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-08-06 5:10 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>> > GOODBYE !
>> >
>> > Admin of list:
>> > Please remove me from the list.
>>
>> If you want to be removed, then you can unsubscribe.
>> The procedure is found at the same place you found information on how
>> to subscribe.
>>
>> I don't the the manager of this list does take the time to read all
>> the mailing lists of Debian.
>>
>> > If you don't, I'll spam you. Why?
>> > A person accused me of trolling. Which I'm not sure what is.
>> > Flooding,
>> I'll remind yourself that even you, at some point looked back at the
>> messages you've sent and said "What a mess".
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00137.html
>>
>> It is appreciated that you now seem to be taking time to write text
>> that can easily be understood.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that if you would have took the time to write concise
>> and clear message like this all the time, then you experience would
>> have been different.
>>
>> > spamming, attention seeking? He could just as well said "*f* off" ,
>> > just saying. So I'm off this list, doubt I'll return.
>> > I dislike slandering; vulnerable
>> > due to psychopath in childhood, isolation, & cos people are afraid &
>> > tense these times. Guess he was a bit quick on it...
>> > Hostile, Judgemental, non- inclusive. Don't need those cultures in
>> > my
>>
>> I believe everyone here acted in good faith.
>>
>> Taking time to explain what felt like being the wrong way and what
>> could be done if you wanted some more help.
>>
>> To all questions you posted, you received at least two or three
>> different answer, with different solutions.
>>
>> > life, sir, sorry to tell you off this harshly. Going to other
>> > helpsite if necessary. Like pointed before, in duckduckgo & Google
>> > I can find most answers.
>> > My responsibilty is my health.
>> > BR,
>> > Gunnar Gervin.
>>
>> Good luck in you learning.
> 
> Reminds me of one occasion when someone was harshly attacked on a
> mailing list for writing all capitals - always.
> Turned out that the person was blind and had crippled hands and was
> posting by means of a braille reader and a special contraption for a
> keyboard. *That* was a time to eat one's words.
> All the best to y'all

Yes, it never ceases to amaze me how many masters of advanced psychiatry
there are on the Internet, who are capable of in depth analysis of a
subject with no more access to them but a collection of text and
graphics.
As an extremely good psychiatrist I once worked with said, at one stage:
`Analysis at a distance is the ultimate arrogance'.
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`Unthinking respect for authority is 
the greatest enemy of truth'.
-- Albert Einstein

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 7/8/21 02:34, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

Maybe ask on a Fedora mailing list / support group / stack overflow ?



In reality, perhaps we should have left this thread here?

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 7/8/21 08:58, Greg Wooledge wrote:

  Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it".

To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt.



Ah   I see another avid watcher of Police drama speaking here

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Re: Off request

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 7:42 p.m., Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE wrote:
> 
> Reminds me of one occasion when someone was harshly attacked on a
> mailing list for writing all capitals - always.
> Turned out that the person was blind and had crippled hands and was
> posting by means of a braille reader and a special contraption for a
> keyboard. *That* was a time to eat one's words.
> All the best to y'all
> --
> Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
> 
Commenting on a situation without really knowing the ins and out about
it is somewhat like behind blind and giving opinion on the colors of flower.

Maybe you should read a bit more of what happened here.

I doubt we can still give good intention to someone who publishes a
passport on a mailing list and that the only message easily
understandable, that make sense, is one of anger against fellow user but
was unable to write a complete sentence in the past 30 messages asking
for help and using subject like "HOW &??(*?*(".

Take a nice 10 minutes here if you feel like commenting.

Many users (including myself) explained what is "top posting" and how it
made conversation difficult, this was acknowledge by the user going by
name of "Gunnar", later on we explained why using meaningful subject
would help, again this was acknowledge but lasted for 2 messages, etc.

So we are far from the case of someone who would get harshly shacked up
for not having a good netiquette without getting proper notification. We
(I and others) have explained some of the usage and this was done in a
nicely fashion.

This reaction from user named Gunnar Gervin seem to be related to the
fact that there's some similarities with other poster sending spam and
trolling on the list, at the same time. Someone noticed and wrote about it.

What was the answer from Gunnar Grevin ? Not "I didn't do it" but "You
have no proof", somewhat like a kid who say "You have no proof I ate the
cookies". And his reaction was to publish someones passport
identification page... Just to add, publishing a identification page of
a passport, is a criminal offense in most jurisdiction.
> 
> 

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Re: Off request

[Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE]

On Freitag, 6. August 2021 18:36:08 -04 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-06 5:10 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > GOODBYE !
> >
> > Admin of list:
> > Please remove me from the list.
>
> If you want to be removed, then you can unsubscribe.
> The procedure is found at the same place you found information on how
> to subscribe.
>
> I don't the the manager of this list does take the time to read all
> the mailing lists of Debian.
>
> > If you don't, I'll spam you. Why?
> > A person accused me of trolling. Which I'm not sure what is.
> > Flooding,
> I'll remind yourself that even you, at some point looked back at the
> messages you've sent and said "What a mess".
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00137.html
>
> It is appreciated that you now seem to be taking time to write text
> that can easily be understood.
>
> I'm pretty sure that if you would have took the time to write concise
> and clear message like this all the time, then you experience would
> have been different.
>
> > spamming, attention seeking? He could just as well said "*f* off" ,
> > just saying. So I'm off this list, doubt I'll return.
> > I dislike slandering; vulnerable
> > due to psychopath in childhood, isolation, & cos people are afraid &
> > tense these times. Guess he was a bit quick on it...
> > Hostile, Judgemental, non- inclusive. Don't need those cultures in
> > my
>
> I believe everyone here acted in good faith.
>
> Taking time to explain what felt like being the wrong way and what
> could be done if you wanted some more help.
>
> To all questions you posted, you received at least two or three
> different answer, with different solutions.
>
> > life, sir, sorry to tell you off this harshly. Going to other
> > helpsite if necessary. Like pointed before, in duckduckgo & Google
> > I can find most answers.
> > My responsibilty is my health.
> > BR,
> > Gunnar Gervin.
>
> Good luck in you learning.

Reminds me of one occasion when someone was harshly attacked on a
mailing list for writing all capitals - always.
Turned out that the person was blind and had crippled hands and was
posting by means of a braille reader and a special contraption for a
keyboard. *That* was a time to eat one's words.
All the best to y'all
--
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 6:58 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
 Didier,
 most certainly you cannot prove
>>>
>>> Wow.  You really are a horrible person, aren't you.
>>>
>>> And so, another person goes into my kill file.
>>>
>> Showing a random passport doesn't show much, except maybe that you ain't
>> the rightful owner of this passport.
> 
> I didn't even open the URL they gave.  I didn't care what it was, really.
> 
> They were accused of using multiple (phony) personas on a mailing list,
> and how did they respond?  Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it".
> 
I didn't understand it this way but now as you describe it this way, it
becomes more clear to my mind.

It's a childish behavior of thinking that because there's no proof then
it means that there won't be consequences. But as you say, we ain't a
court of law.

It's only required that people believe you did something for them to act
like you did it.

You get someone new at the job and for the first time ever, the printer
is jammed and there's a broken Ink cartridge. Everyone knows that this
printer must be handled with care. The new worker say "You can't prove
it's me", no we don't have a picture of you jamming the printer by using
the wrong paper thickness BUT WE HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE it's you. And
probably the boss won't keep you long...

> To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt.  As in, "Ha ha, look at how
> clever I am, I fooled you all, and I'm getting away with it!"
> 
I don't think we are part of the fool here...

Even more as his last message was strangely the most clearly written one
in the whole context of conversation with him.

> Well, this is not a court of law.  We do not have to PROVE that someone
> has acted with malice.  If you even simply pretend to be a malicious
> person, that's more than enough to get yourself ignored.
> 
> Earlier, I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and said that there wasn't
> enough evidence that they were trolling us.  As it turns out, I was wrong.
> That happens.
> 
Giving benefit of doubt is never wrong, it's the proof with have faith
in human.

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> >> Didier,
> >> most certainly you cannot prove
> > 
> > Wow.  You really are a horrible person, aren't you.
> > 
> > And so, another person goes into my kill file.
> > 
> Showing a random passport doesn't show much, except maybe that you ain't
> the rightful owner of this passport.

I didn't even open the URL they gave.  I didn't care what it was, really.

They were accused of using multiple (phony) personas on a mailing list,
and how did they respond?  Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it".

To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt.  As in, "Ha ha, look at how
clever I am, I fooled you all, and I'm getting away with it!"

Well, this is not a court of law.  We do not have to PROVE that someone
has acted with malice.  If you even simply pretend to be a malicious
person, that's more than enough to get yourself ignored.

Earlier, I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and said that there wasn't
enough evidence that they were trolling us.  As it turns out, I was wrong.
That happens.

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 4:24 p.m., Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 12:25:52PM -0400, Polyna-Maude
> Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Actually, the message you sent would have been sent only to yourself in
>> the reply if I wouldn't have took the time to add the mailing list as CC.
> 
> OK, let's explore why.
> 
> According to your User-Agent header, you are using the MUA Thunderbird.
> 
> According to the description you just wrote about the behaviour of
> replying, it would NOT have replied to the list, but directly to Tomas.
> 
> That's because you have hit Thunderbird's "Reply" button (or keyboard
> shortcut, or menu entry), which is defined as "reply to sender".
> 
> Thunderbird has a separate "reply to list" function. By default, you can
> see it in the list of actions if you right-click a list mail, or if you
> hit the keys CTRL + Shift + L. I *think* the "Reply all" button that
> normally appears turns into a "reply list" button, when the mail in
> question is a list message.
> 
The "reply list" button was exactly in my face.
Just discovered it's existence.

I'll now use this one.

> You need to be using the separate "reply to list" function to send a
> reply to the correct place.
> 
> In my opinion, it's awkward that there's a separate function and you
> have to remember to use it in some circumstances but not others. That's
> the default behaviour in my chosen MUA too (neomutt). However, I
> reconfigured neomutt so I had a single button to hit that always does
> the right thing. Perhaps, Thunderbird can be similarly configured to be
> more convenient in this regard. I don't know.
> 
> There's one more caveat worth mentioning here, and it's to do with mail
> server stuff, rather than client. In some circumstances, such as when
I need to take some time to configure my own mail server as I'm now
using one rented on shared hosting.

I need a week-end off to do so. Been planning this for the last month.

But I'll probably use something like procmail and fetchmail, or another
list of similar tools.

I have one message where user on the list gave me pretty good hints on
how to get something functional.
But this take time to setup.

> somebody hits "reply all" or CCs you on a mail you get via a list
> anyway, you can get two copies of the mail. Since only one copy came via
> the list, only one copy has the List-* headers, and so Thunderbird's
> "reply to list" function will only work for the list copy. Worse, some
> mail server back-ends (for example Gmail, Exchange) de-duplicated copies
> of mail. Therefore, the one copy you might have (despite having been
> sent two) may not be the list copy either. If that affects you, all I
> can suggest is looking for a better mail provider. But, we can all help
> each other by not CCing people when replying to them on-list. Which is
> why I have that in my mail signature.
> 
> 
Thanks

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 6:41 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-06 2:32 p.m., didier gaumet wrote:
>> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa 
>> moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling 
>> similarities... 
>>
> 
> Similarities are a form of evidence when they leave the "random
> possibility" of a situation arising.
> 
> Don't know who's "roa" but for the two others, I've seen them lately on
*rishi* no roa
> the list.
> 

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>> Didier,
>> most certainly you cannot prove
> 
> Wow.  You really are a horrible person, aren't you.
> 
> And so, another person goes into my kill file.
> 
Showing a random passport doesn't show much, except maybe that you ain't
the rightful owner of this passport.
Anyway, in my country we don't use much passport as identification, we
have other means like our health card, driver license, etc.

I wouldn't use my passport to show on a public forum that I'm the person
who I say being.

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 4:48 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Didier,
> most certainly you cannot prove
> God bless you.
> BR,
> Gunnar Gervin.
>   20200619_165027.jpg
> 
> 
> 
I think you just prove here that you are indeed a bit too fast on the
keyboard or hot headed for interacting on a mailing list like ours.

Someone says something and because it doesn't feel what you like, then
you go out publishing someone's passport here.

Sorry but there's one thing that is proven here.
I would never post my passport with all the information on a mailing
list, publicly visible.

So either you are proving not to be this Gunnar Gervin or you did
something that is really now the wise thing to do. Maybe you should
think a bit more before acting this way.

You may have had hard times in your life but nothing justify acting this
way.

In some countries (including Norway), it is a indictable offense (can
send you to jail), to publish the information page of a passport or to
distribute such information out of the framework of legal usage of the
travel documents.

> 
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 21:57 didier gaumet,  > wrote:
> 
> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and
> roa moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are
> troubling similarities...
> 

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 2:32 p.m., didier gaumet wrote:
> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa 
> moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling 
> similarities... 
> 

Similarities are a form of evidence when they leave the "random
possibility" of a situation arising.

Don't know who's "roa" but for the two others, I've seen them lately on
the list.

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Re: Off request

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 5:10 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> GOODBYE !
> 
> Admin of list:
> Please remove me from the list.
If you want to be removed, then you can unsubscribe.
The procedure is found at the same place you found information on how to
subscribe.

I don't the the manager of this list does take the time to read all the
mailing lists of Debian.
> If you don't, I'll spam you. Why?
> A person accused me of trolling. Which I'm not sure what is. Flooding,
I'll remind yourself that even you, at some point looked back at the
messages you've sent and said "What a mess".

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00137.html

It is appreciated that you now seem to be taking time to write text that
can easily be understood.

I'm pretty sure that if you would have took the time to write concise
and clear message like this all the time, then you experience would have
been different.

> spamming, attention seeking? He could just as well said "*f* off" , just
> saying. So I'm off this list, doubt I'll return.
> I dislike slandering; vulnerable
> due to psychopath in childhood, isolation, & cos people are afraid &
> tense these times. Guess he was a bit quick on it...
> Hostile, Judgemental, non- inclusive. Don't need those cultures in my
I believe everyone here acted in good faith.

Taking time to explain what felt like being the wrong way and what could
be done if you wanted some more help.

To all questions you posted, you received at least two or three
different answer, with different solutions.

> life, sir, sorry to tell you off this harshly. Going to other helpsite
> if necessary. Like pointed before, in duckduckgo & Google I can find
> most answers.
> My responsibilty is my health.
> BR,
> Gunnar Gervin.
Good luck in you learning.
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Re: Off request

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 00:10:35 +0300
Gunnar Gervin  wrote:

> Admin of list:
> Please remove me from the list.

You can remove yourself from the list. Most list servers (including
Debian's) include information on how to do so in the headers of each
email. For many MUAs, control-h shows the headers of an email. The
keyword you want is "unsubscribe", as in:

List-Unsubscribe: 




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Off request

[Gunnar Gervin]

GOODBYE !

Admin of list:
Please remove me from the list.
If you don't, I'll spam you. Why?
A person accused me of trolling. Which I'm not sure what is. Flooding,
spamming, attention seeking? He could just as well said "*f* off" , just
saying. So I'm off this list, doubt I'll return.
I dislike slandering; vulnerable
due to psychopath in childhood, isolation, & cos people are afraid & tense
these times. Guess he was a bit quick on it...
Hostile, Judgemental, non- inclusive. Don't need those cultures in my life,
sir, sorry to tell you off this harshly. Going to other helpsite if
necessary. Like pointed before, in duckduckgo & Google I can find most
answers.
My responsibilty is my health.
BR,
Gunnar Gervin.

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Didier,
> most certainly you cannot prove

Wow.  You really are a horrible person, aren't you.

And so, another person goes into my kill file.

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Gunnar Gervin]

I'm out.
Geg

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 21:57 didier gaumet,  wrote:

> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa
> moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling
> similarities...
>
>

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Gunnar Gervin]

Didier,
most certainly you cannot prove
God bless you.
BR,
Gunnar Gervin.
  20200619_165027.jpg



On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 21:57 didier gaumet,  wrote:

> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa
> moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling
> similarities...
>
>

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> Have I missed out? Is there a mind reading package in Debian 11.

  apt-file search telepathy | wc -l

reports thousands of occurences.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 12:25:52PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

Actually, the message you sent would have been sent only to yourself in
the reply if I wouldn't have took the time to add the mailing list as CC.


OK, let's explore why.

According to your User-Agent header, you are using the MUA Thunderbird.

According to the description you just wrote about the behaviour of
replying, it would NOT have replied to the list, but directly to Tomas.

That's because you have hit Thunderbird's "Reply" button (or keyboard
shortcut, or menu entry), which is defined as "reply to sender".

Thunderbird has a separate "reply to list" function. By default, you can
see it in the list of actions if you right-click a list mail, or if you
hit the keys CTRL + Shift + L. I *think* the "Reply all" button that
normally appears turns into a "reply list" button, when the mail in
question is a list message.

You need to be using the separate "reply to list" function to send a
reply to the correct place.

In my opinion, it's awkward that there's a separate function and you
have to remember to use it in some circumstances but not others. That's
the default behaviour in my chosen MUA too (neomutt). However, I
reconfigured neomutt so I had a single button to hit that always does
the right thing. Perhaps, Thunderbird can be similarly configured to be
more convenient in this regard. I don't know.

There's one more caveat worth mentioning here, and it's to do with mail
server stuff, rather than client. In some circumstances, such as when
somebody hits "reply all" or CCs you on a mail you get via a list
anyway, you can get two copies of the mail. Since only one copy came via
the list, only one copy has the List-* headers, and so Thunderbird's
"reply to list" function will only work for the list copy. Worse, some
mail server back-ends (for example Gmail, Exchange) de-duplicated copies
of mail. Therefore, the one copy you might have (despite having been
sent two) may not be the list copy either. If that affects you, all I
can suggest is looking for a better mail provider. But, we can all help
each other by not CCing people when replying to them on-list. Which is
why I have that in my mail signature.


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✎j...@debian.org
   https://jmtd.net

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 12:39:59PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

No it's not the opposite problem.
If the list become moderated or at least controlled in some way then it
would prevent outsider (people not registered on the mailing list) from
send mail onto the list.


Except, we do control the list, by banning people. Banned people cannot
send mail to the list.


Now even if you ban someone, it just need that they create another
address and send a message for it to appear on the list.


Yes that is true. But it is not what is happening.

What is happening (well, what happened once... I don't know if it's more
common) is that someone who cannot post to the list, got their content
onto the list, by an innocent bystander (you) accidentally quoting their
off-list, private mail, onto the list.
 
Moderating the list would not prevent that, because you would presumably

be subscribed and able to post.  (If by "moderating" you mean "only list
subscribers can post to the list").


Rendering banning pretty much useless for preventing people from writing
stupidity.


Despite the fact that yes, people can circumvent address-based bans, the
current approach is working remarkably effectively, IMHO.

We *do* moderate some Debian lists. I am a volunteer moderator for one
of them (although, I haven't participated in moderation for months.)


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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Brian]

On Fri 06 Aug 2021 at 12:31:01 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

[...]

> If you can read my mind then you'd know that it's not what I was thinking.
> 
> If you can't read my mind, then maybe it's better to keep quiet than to
> say stuff you don't have a damn clue about.

Have I missed out? Is there a mind reading package in Debian 11.

> On my dumb GUI mail client, I don't see the whole header unless I do ask
> to do so.
> 
> I didn't see no where something saying that it was needed to use a
> specific mail client or take the time to interpret the headers.
> 
> So I'll go with a hint.
> 
> If someone bothers you, then simply use the "block" possibility and send
> their mail to the SPAM folder of your mail client.

Ah. An arguing with me is futile advocate.

[...]

> > Of course, a banned person can try to sneak in by cc-ing to the list.
> > A group reply is then all it's needed.
> > 
> > "Apply some judgement" seems, as always, to be the right thing.
> > 
> > Cheers
> >  - t

mutt shows me this is the post you responded to. You made no comment
on it but went off on a tangent.

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[didier gaumet]

I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa moshin 
(non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling similarities... 

Re: why 1G memory is missing?

[Marco Möller]

On 03.08.21 18:26, IL Ka wrote:

inxi shows that only 3 GB are available as the TOTAL, although it finds
the 4 GB to be physically installed:
$ sudo inxi -m -x
Memory:    RAM: total: 2.88 GiB used: 2.11 GiB (73.2%)
Array-1: capacity: 4 GiB slots: 2 EC: None max module size: 2 GiB
note: est.
Device-1: M1 size: 2 GiB speed: 667 MT/s type: DDR2
Device-2: M2 size: 2 GiB speed: 667 MT/s type: DDR2


It could be a different problem (Windows may calculate RAM differently 
in different places, where did you check it?).
I'd start with a memory map (see Sven Hartge's comment in this thread), 
also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E820 


A similar tool for Windows is "Rammap".

With 32bit system you would never be able to use 4GB (because part of 
address space is used for MMIO by PCI-(express) devices).
With 64bit address space is much larger, but some ram is used by kernel. 
Some tools exclude such ram.




Although the original question got a valid answer already, in this case 
the chipset did not support 4 GB and not even a 64bit OS, I here add to 
some sub-part of the thread (see above in this email what I am referring 
to) some information for completeness - I got time to search in old 
threads on the German spoken Debian mailing list where this topic was 
also up some time ago.


Sven Hartge pointed out and explained that the missing 1 GB on a 64 bit 
system could be related to what is called the "PCI hole" and also the 
following link was provided:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_hole

I wasn't able to understand all technical explanations by Sven Hartge, 
neither everything what's published in the wikipedia article, this all 
is obviously a topic for real hardware experts, but it at least 
convinced me that it should not be a configuration failure in my Debian 
installation - however, why MS Windows on the identical hardware shows 
the full 4 GB to be available never became clear to me.


Saying all this, I will not be able to further discuss this topic here 
in this thread as I am for far too large extend not understanding the 
necessary basics, but at least wanted to leave this information about 
the "PCI hole".


Always stay in good spirits, Marco!

Re: Bash script problem

[Gregory Seidman]

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[007]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 21:06:33 +0500
rao mohsin  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I am Rao Mohsin from Pakistan. I am following
> https://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to … ard-drive/ 1
> 
> this tutorial for booting my system directly from ISO file. this
> tutorial is on Ubuntu 14. I am trying on Fedora (13,20,24,29)
> 
> I did not understand this line
> boot=casper iso-scan/filename=${isofile} quiet
> I download Fedora ISOs from fedora website.
> https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/ … ve/x86_64/
> 
> 
> I found vmlinuz and initrd file and mentioned accordingly. But the
> issue is the line.
> Boot=casper……
> I am writing
> root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-Mate-Live-29-1-2
> root=rd.live.image
> root=(hd0,msdos1)
> root=/dev/sda1
> root=live
> 
> but all failed.
> I got error “Don’t know how to handle (rd.live.image)
> What should I write so it run successfully.
> One more thing that I have do the same with debian it successfully
> run. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stab … t/mini.iso
> 
> 
> grub>loopback loop (hd0,msdos1)/Downloads/mini.iso
> grub>Linux (loop)/Linux
> grub>Initrd (loop)/initrd.gz
> grub>Boot
> it successfully run.
> 
> Please resolve my issue.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Rao

grml-rescueboot might do the job you need:

This package provides a script for update-grub which looks for
Grml ISO images in /boot/grml and automatically adds an entry
for each image. The purpose is to use one of those images to
boot a Grml rescue system without using a CD or USB stick.

It also works for floppy-images and other CD iso's.

sudo apt install grml-rescueboot



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Re: How's @ $ €

[Gunnar Gervin]

Agreed to all.
Looked for personal reply because I felt for giving apology for words that
might hurt; really sorry if I was out of line to you.
Actually Mac's are new to me, this oldest I liked better after changed to
Linux Debian. I like Linux better, even Windows, than Mac. I find them
almost incompatible. I have a Macbook Pro that crashed after put (not
Debian) Linux in it. Thus I reset it to Macbook Pro. On repair now, so I'm
stuck with an old Mac. 3 options for me/in this.
1. Devuan works when I learn to install it with flags, boot, & root, the
right places and ways.Will put more Ram, & Virtualbox VM in it if I get
time & brains to learn enough to do it properly.
Self-centeredness paradoxes the project of asking help, that's true
More comical, than ironic, for that I'm grateful. Thx for that one on
living in society, was spot on!
2. Struggle on adjusting Debian settings to work in it.
3. Go back to Linux Mint Ubuntu
Last option, mostly cos L. Mint has a little bit of commerciality in it;
Canonical in the back, & root is gone. One helper there refused tell how I
could reinstall after I'd set too much wrong again, so I wanted to start
fresh. Bought dvd online to enable the option, waited 1 month to get it..
Time I learn how to clean up messes, & avoid making them. But I have a job
too do, (online based mostly) so I must try to cut away my ideas, and try
advices I get here in order to be at least a tiny bit productive. That's
why I try out Devuan. Which seems to require more of Terminal.
Main reason I chose Debian was the size of it. Discussion sites, help
sites, development sites, one can expand any interest in Debian, e.g
amateur radio, photography, writing, publishing, making movies. It's
amazing.
Not much money earned using non-commercial (Debian) Linux.
But the savings are unlimited.
BR,
Gunnar

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 01:20 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside, <
deb...@polynamaude.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-05 3:01 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > My experience of life is if I criticise someone usually it's in me;
> > mirroring myself; projecting.
> > Something I need improve on(?).
> > I got an advice that might work:
> > Go to Devuan with it; Debian simplified? If it works, ok for me.
> Devuan is a split from Debian because some user got pissed regarding the
> use of SystemD.
> > Next new computer will be built with Linux in it, probably Debian.
> > Thus less, or no issues at all.It could make it easier to buy a computer
> with Linux already installed.
> But you'll still need to learn pretty much the same as if you'd get a
> computer with Windows and install Linux yourself.
> Most computer have a good deal of compatibility those days.
> Comparing your experience with a decade and half old MacBook against a
> computer that is more recent doesn't work.
>
> I have a HP desktop I got from a refurbished authorized seller, it used
> to run Windows 7 and now is running Debian Buster, I installed 32 G of
> RAM and still using the stock 2 TB HD. I've added a video card (GT 710)
> but that wasn't a need, the integrated GPU from AMD was supported.
>
> I also have a HP EliteBook G1 with 16GB and a 1 TB hard drive, runs with
> the integrated GPU on a Intel Core (i5) system. Everything works great,
> including the Wifi, the Bluetooth and the card reader.
>
> Also got another laptop from Acer, old brick dating from 2012 with AMD
> CPU, Radeon discrete graphic board, and all work well, Bluetooth, WiFi,
> network card and card reader.
>
> Only got to take your time to get the things right. Ideally also have
> another computer so you can search for answer.
>
> Learning is going thru errors and fixing them.
> > And, Polyna, it's best to reinstall every new release. Backups are often
> > best left behind; new start.
> I think you didn't get right what I said (and other said too).
>
> It is good to make backup of user data.
> But it is safe to upgrade from one Debian version to another.
> And it is also safe to do update on the packages themselves.
>
> > That was a joke...
> > Bye for now, Polyna & you all.
> > Ain't most humans self-centered
> Most human are self-centered but they have gotten maturity to know that
> if you want interaction with others, then there's a need to act
> accordingly to what is acceptable.
>
> We all need to eat and we all get hungry. Does it mean this justify that
> I pass in front of other waiting in a line ? No it doesn't.
>
> Our needs are balanced against the community. That what's called living
> in a society.
>
> > BR,
> > Gunnar
> >
> > It's no crime to say no
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 13:12 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside,
> > mailto:deb...@polynamaude.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2021-08-05 3:48 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > > Thx all.
> > > Problem solved;
> > > to your orientation.
> > > Most other challenges are
> > > possible to find in Duckduckgo or Google, & in former answers.
> > > I was in lack of sleep cos of heat
> > > Thus 

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z-wave?

[Joe Pfeiffer]

I'm interested in trying out z-wave, and I'd like to start with a simple
command line utility so I can experiment with a switch, and control it
through cron.

I'm aware of Home Assistant, which is likely to be the direction I go in
the long term.  I'd prefer not to try to set it up just to try out a
switch!

Any recommendations would be welcome.

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 9:43 a.m., Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude
> Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
>> who's "on the list" and "who's not". So if someone reply to me regarding
>> a message that was posted on the list, there's pretty good chance that
>> I'll reply "on the list".
> 
> It's not obvious to me, but I take the time to be careful about replying
> to the right place. I make use of decent mail tools configured properly
> to aid me in this, because to do otherwise is a serious breach of
> netiquette.
> 
> In short: if the mail was delivered from the list, it will have the
> correct List-* headers, and a decent, properly-configured MUA will do
> the right thing.
> 
> If your MUA doesn't help you with this, feel free to ask for advice
> about decent MUAs, right here on this list!
> 
>> This list is "unmoderated" and if better access control is needed then
>> maybe it would be time to change how it works. For example, limiting
>> posting to people registered would be a pretty good idea.
> 
> This is more or less the opposite problem to the one we are discussing,
> namely, people who *cannot* post to the list, who are not doing so.
> Moderation isn't going to make any difference to this case.
> 
No it's not the opposite problem.
If the list become moderated or at least controlled in some way then it
would prevent outsider (people not registered on the mailing list) from
send mail onto the list.

Now even if you ban someone, it just need that they create another
address and send a message for it to appear on the list.

Rendering banning pretty much useless for preventing people from writing
stupidity. And that is mostly the reason for banning people, based on
what they write (preventing people from getting the mailing list send to
them is irrelevant as they'll be able to look on the web).
> 

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Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 12:06 p.m., rao mohsin wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I am Rao Mohsin from Pakistan. I am following
> https://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to … ard-drive/ 1
> 
> this tutorial for booting my system directly from ISO file. this
> tutorial is on Ubuntu 14. I am trying on Fedora (13,20,24,29)
> 
Maybe ask on a Fedora mailing list / support group / stack overflow ?
> I did not understand this line
> boot=casper iso-scan/filename=${isofile} quiet
> I download Fedora ISOs from fedora website.
> https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/ … ve/x86_64/
> 
> 
> I found vmlinuz and initrd file and mentioned accordingly. But the issue
> is the line.
> Boot=casper……
> I am writing
> root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-Mate-Live-29-1-2
> root=rd.live.image
> root=(hd0,msdos1)
> root=/dev/sda1
> root=live
> 
> but all failed.
> I got error “Don’t know how to handle (rd.live.image)
> What should I write so it run successfully.
> One more thing that I have do the same with debian it successfully run.
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stab … t/mini.iso
> 
> 
> grub>loopback loop (hd0,msdos1)/Downloads/mini.iso
> grub>Linux (loop)/Linux
> grub>Initrd (loop)/initrd.gz
> grub>Boot
> it successfully run.
> 
> Please resolve my issue.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Rao
> 

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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 8:20 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 07:33:04AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 2021-08-06 at 07:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude
>>> Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
 Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note
 of who's "on the list" and "who's not" [...]
>>>
>>> Easy: if the message comes from the list, reply goes to the list. 
>>> Your MUA should be able to help you with that, if it's worth its 
>>> salt.
>>
>> I get enough accidental direct replies (proportionally speaking, anyway)
>> that I don't consider this practical. There are too many times when a
>> reply that was sent privately *should* have gone via the list, and so
>> the reply to that should go in turn back to the list.
> 
> Definitely. I don't get it perfectly every time, either. I only took
> issue with Polina's stance, which could be read as "it's not even
> worth trying".
> 
If you can read my mind then you'd know that it's not what I was thinking.

If you can't read my mind, then maybe it's better to keep quiet than to
say stuff you don't have a damn clue about.

On my dumb GUI mail client, I don't see the whole header unless I do ask
to do so.

I didn't see no where something saying that it was needed to use a
specific mail client or take the time to interpret the headers.

So I'll go with a hint.

If someone bothers you, then simply use the "block" possibility and send
their mail to the SPAM folder of your mail client.

Like you already said, if it's worth the salt, it will do so.

>> (Which in turn happens because of the whole Reply-To-header argument
>> thing, and everything around it which I don't want to spark off again
>> now...)
> 
> :-)
> 
>> That said, there are definitely times when it's clear whether a direct
>> reply was unintentional vs. not, and outside of special circumstances
>> the ones intentionally sent off-list should be kept that way without
>> mutual agreement.
> 
> Of course, a banned person can try to sneak in by cc-ing to the list.
> A group reply is then all it's needed.
> 
> "Apply some judgement" seems, as always, to be the right thing.
> 
> Cheers
>  - t
> 

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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 7:28 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
>> who's "on the list" and "who's not" [...]
> 
> Easy: if the message comes from the list, reply goes to the list.
> Your MUA should be able to help you with that, if it's worth its
> salt.
> 
Actually, the message you sent would have been sent only to yourself in
the reply if I wouldn't have took the time to add the mailing list as CC.

> [...]
> 
>> We are far from the percentage of SPAM a usual mailbox may get...
> 
> This is because there are "real people" working hard at it. For free.
> 
> (May I use the opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to them?)
> 
I will also add a big THANK YOU to all of them too, and to all the
fellow user on this mailing list who help out making this community
vibrant. (And much more friendly than other distribution / commercial OS).

> Cheers
>  - t
> 
> 

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How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

[rao mohsin]

Hi there,

I am Rao Mohsin from Pakistan. I am following
https://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to … ard-drive/ 1

this tutorial for booting my system directly from ISO file. this tutorial
is on Ubuntu 14. I am trying on Fedora (13,20,24,29)

I did not understand this line
boot=casper iso-scan/filename=${isofile} quiet
I download Fedora ISOs from fedora website.
https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/ … ve/x86_64/


I found vmlinuz and initrd file and mentioned accordingly. But the issue is
the line.
Boot=casper……
I am writing
root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-Mate-Live-29-1-2
root=rd.live.image
root=(hd0,msdos1)
root=/dev/sda1
root=live

but all failed.
I got error “Don’t know how to handle (rd.live.image)
What should I write so it run successfully.
One more thing that I have do the same with debian it successfully run.
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stab … t/mini.iso


grub>loopback loop (hd0,msdos1)/Downloads/mini.iso
grub>Linux (loop)/Linux
grub>Initrd (loop)/initrd.gz
grub>Boot
it successfully run.

Please resolve my issue.

Many thanks,
Rao

Re: Bash script problem

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 07:52:20AM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote:
> 
> On 8/5/21 1:15 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

[...]

> >>You're doing *way* too much work.  It's a gigantic X-Y problem.
> I agree. I'm going back through the code and rewriting most of it.

OTOH... this is how most learning journeys start, isn't it?

;-)

Cheers
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Re: Bash script problem

[Gary L. Roach]

On 8/5/21 1:15 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:03:16PM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote:

First, the IFS command sets the string separator. The default values are
space /n and one other. The / is not among them.

Yes, we know that.  The issue is that you are setting IFS for the
whole script, when you probably *should* be setting it only for a
single command.
Oops. I guess I just misunderstood what you were saying. I made the 
change to IFS=/ read ... Works fine.

Second, why am I separating out the Path the way I am doing? I need to check
each level for existence then, if the level doesn't exist, create the
directory, cd to the directory, [...]

Why can't you just mkdir -p the final directory?  This creates the
parent directories as needed.
I've been using Debian for a long time but didn't realize you could do 
that. Well back to the drawing board.

[...] set chown and -x chmod. After that check the
next level and repeat the process until I run out of levels.

What do you mean by "-x chmod"?  A directory *needs* the +x permission bit
to be set in order to function properly.

Oops. The -x is a typo. S/B +x.

file=/opt/foobar/share/foobar.conf
dir=${file%/*}
mkdir -p "$dir"
touch "$file"

You're doing *way* too much work.  It's a gigantic X-Y problem.

I agree. I'm going back through the code and rewriting most of it.

I want to use this .sh file to automatically set up the Amanda backup system

I don't know Amanda, so I can't help you with that part.


That part I can work out with time. Again thanks for the help.

I'm 85 years old and the brain sometimes isn't as adgal as it used to 
be. The short term memory sucks.


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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
who's "on the list" and "who's not". So if someone reply to me regarding
a message that was posted on the list, there's pretty good chance that
I'll reply "on the list".


It's not obvious to me, but I take the time to be careful about replying
to the right place. I make use of decent mail tools configured properly
to aid me in this, because to do otherwise is a serious breach of
netiquette.

In short: if the mail was delivered from the list, it will have the
correct List-* headers, and a decent, properly-configured MUA will do
the right thing.

If your MUA doesn't help you with this, feel free to ask for advice
about decent MUAs, right here on this list!


This list is "unmoderated" and if better access control is needed then
maybe it would be time to change how it works. For example, limiting
posting to people registered would be a pretty good idea.


This is more or less the opposite problem to the one we are discussing,
namely, people who *cannot* post to the list, who are not doing so.
Moderation isn't going to make any difference to this case.


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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 07:33:04AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-08-06 at 07:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude
> > Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi,
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note
> >> of who's "on the list" and "who's not" [...]
> > 
> > Easy: if the message comes from the list, reply goes to the list. 
> > Your MUA should be able to help you with that, if it's worth its 
> > salt.
> 
> I get enough accidental direct replies (proportionally speaking, anyway)
> that I don't consider this practical. There are too many times when a
> reply that was sent privately *should* have gone via the list, and so
> the reply to that should go in turn back to the list.

Definitely. I don't get it perfectly every time, either. I only took
issue with Polina's stance, which could be read as "it's not even
worth trying".

> (Which in turn happens because of the whole Reply-To-header argument
> thing, and everything around it which I don't want to spark off again
> now...)

:-)

> That said, there are definitely times when it's clear whether a direct
> reply was unintentional vs. not, and outside of special circumstances
> the ones intentionally sent off-list should be kept that way without
> mutual agreement.

Of course, a banned person can try to sneak in by cc-ing to the list.
A group reply is then all it's needed.

"Apply some judgement" seems, as always, to be the right thing.

Cheers
 - t



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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Jonathan Dowland wrote towards Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside:
> > I've seen that they
> > sometimes reply privately to people's posts on the list.
> > [...] you accidentally replied to their mail, back to the list.

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside:
> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
> who's "on the list" and "who's not". So if someone reply to me regarding
> a message that was posted on the list, there's pretty good chance that
> I'll reply "on the list".

Well, if it's about the replies to
  Subject: Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
then it seems to have been Gunnar Gervin who got the private mail and
replied to the list.
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/threads.html
Compare the Cc: headers in
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00225.html
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00226.html
and in the reply by Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00237.html


As for who is subscribed, i look for the word "LDOSUBSCRIBER" in the
mail header "X-Spam-Status:". If i don't see it with a thread starting mail,
then i add a Cc with the mail address of the thread starter.

Some regular participants of this list are not subscribed by their sender
mail address, though. So their mails show no "LDOSUBSCRIBER". Some mails
show a hint in their signature:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00303.html
Hopefully i don't use too many Cc by mistake.


Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside:
> It would also solve the problem of people using the list to spam about
> dating site or offering different services.

Spam is really rare here. You mentioned "wanna meet" offers, recently.
Are you sure they came via the list and not from a sender who harvested
your mail address from the list and maybe uses a fake "From:" header ?
The chain of "Received:" headers can tell where the mail entered the
somewhat trustworthy part of the road towards your mailbox.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-08-06 at 07:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude
> Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note
>> of who's "on the list" and "who's not" [...]
> 
> Easy: if the message comes from the list, reply goes to the list. 
> Your MUA should be able to help you with that, if it's worth its 
> salt.

I get enough accidental direct replies (proportionally speaking, anyway)
that I don't consider this practical. There are too many times when a
reply that was sent privately *should* have gone via the list, and so
the reply to that should go in turn back to the list.

(Which in turn happens because of the whole Reply-To-header argument
thing, and everything around it which I don't want to spark off again
now...)

That said, there are definitely times when it's clear whether a direct
reply was unintentional vs. not, and outside of special circumstances
the ones intentionally sent off-list should be kept that way without
mutual agreement.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:54:53AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,

[...]

> Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
> who's "on the list" and "who's not" [...]

Easy: if the message comes from the list, reply goes to the list.
Your MUA should be able to help you with that, if it's worth its
salt.

[...]

> We are far from the percentage of SPAM a usual mailbox may get...

This is because there are "real people" working hard at it. For free.

(May I use the opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to them?)

Cheers
 - t




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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-06 5:25 a.m., Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 09:21:11PM -0400, Polyna-Maude
> Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> I don't see how it would be possible to ban a user on a open mailing
>> list that anyone can write to (without being registered).
> 
> It is possible, although pretty rare. One person who was banned from
> this list a long time ago remains banned today, but I've seen that they
> sometimes reply privately to people's posts on the list. In fact, this
> person did so, to *you*, and I only found out about it because you
> accidentally replied to their mail, back to the list.
> 
Maybe this is obvious for you, but for myself, I don't take note of
who's "on the list" and "who's not". So if someone reply to me regarding
a message that was posted on the list, there's pretty good chance that
I'll reply "on the list".

This list is "unmoderated" and if better access control is needed then
maybe it would be time to change how it works. For example, limiting
posting to people registered would be a pretty good idea.

It would also solve the problem of people using the list to spam about
dating site or offering different services.

But is this really a big problem ?

Pretty sure it's more time consuming to write this message than to deal
with it. This list has more than 30 thousands subscriber and only a
handful of banning, at most.

We are far from the percentage of SPAM a usual mailbox may get...

> So, as a general warning for list subscribers: if you get private,
> off-list mail replies to list messages from people, one reason might be
> because they are banned from posting to the list directly. In either
> case, don't quote their mail back onto the list.
> 
> 

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[ellanios82]

On 8/6/21 11:18 AM, Joe wrote:

You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies than in 
war, or even in sport



 - wear & tear : hectic weather :





..

 regards

.

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Jonathan Dowland]

Hi Andrew,

Greg wrote a useful mail in another thread
() and Dan replied to suggest that some
of his points might be worth folding into your monthly mail-out. (In
case you haven't seen that thread.)


Best,

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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 09:21:11PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

I don't see how it would be possible to ban a user on a open mailing
list that anyone can write to (without being registered).


It is possible, although pretty rare. One person who was banned from
this list a long time ago remains banned today, but I've seen that they
sometimes reply privately to people's posts on the list. In fact, this
person did so, to *you*, and I only found out about it because you
accidentally replied to their mail, back to the list.

So, as a general warning for list subscribers: if you get private,
off-list mail replies to list messages from people, one reason might be
because they are banned from posting to the list directly. In either
case, don't quote their mail back onto the list.


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Re: Add btdu to debian repo

[Sven Hartge]

basti  wrote:

> what is the right way to get btdu (a ncdu like command line tool for
> btrfs) to the debian repo?

1) File an RFP bug. Will probably result in nothing.
2) Package it yourself and file an ITP bug. mentors.debian.net for more
   information.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Joe]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:58:42 +0200
 wrote:


> 
> All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
> wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from
> former times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.
> 

You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies
than in war, or even in sport. 

Maybe politicians should Learn To Code...

-- 
Joe

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 10:36:23AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Charlie  writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
> > OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
> >
> >> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
> >
> > +1
> 
> :) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
> quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
> tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
> decides what size windows should be.

It's fascinating how differently brains seem to be wired up. Awesome's
idea convinced me at first sight. So after my DE excursion (Gnome, then
XFCE, and deciding that no, I don't want anyone mounting my USB sticks
for me or limiting what I can do with my keyboard) I tried Awesome for
a while. I never got the hang of it.

Then I (re)discovered Fvwm.

I'm an old guy and have seen lots of things. By now, I'm convinced that
brains are "wired" in quite diverse ways [1], and that things like work
environments (programming languages being part of a work environment)
should be equally diverse.

All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from former
times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.

Cheers

[1] Actually, my "hunch" (I don't dare call it a theory) is a bit
   more complex, but for a nutshell, "wired" is good enough.

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[basti]

Hello,

what is the right way to get btdu (a ncdu like command line tool for 
btrfs) to the debian repo?


Best regards

Re: Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[ellanios82]

>   - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone,  from

Thunderbird ?


- many thanks Didier, Darac, & others



 regards

.

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Anssi Saari]

Charlie  writes:

>   On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
>   OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
>
>> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
>
> +1

:) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
decides what size windows should be.

Re: Only One Side Speaker is giving sound

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 07:10:34AM +, Rishi wrote:
> Hope you are in good health amid this pandemic.
> 
> I am using Debian 11 right now and I have noticed that while playing
> video/audio, I can hear sound from only one side speaker.

You have to provide more context for us to be able to hear you :)

Internal speakers? External speakers? Have you checked your hardware?
Have you checked with alternative hardware (e.g. earplugs, etc.)?

> I have installed the nonfree realtek and intel firmware and updated it
> to latest version but I am still facing that issue. 
> Is this a specific issue to the current debian 11 rc or just an in
> general issue? Please guide me.

Before even trying to find answers to your questions we need some
solid evidence that it is not a hardware problem. "Just one speaker
working" definitely sounds like one.

Cheers
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Only One Side Speaker is giving sound

[Rishi]

Hope you are in good health amid this pandemic.

I am using Debian 11 right now and I have noticed that while playing
video/audio, I can hear sound from only one side speaker.
I have installed the nonfree realtek and intel firmware and updated it
to latest version but I am still facing that issue. 
Is this a specific issue to the current debian 11 rc or just an in
general issue? Please guide me.

Regards.

Re: Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[didier gaumet]

Le vendredi 06 août 2021 à 09:36 +0300, ellanios82 a écrit :
> Good Day, List !
> 
> 
>   - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone,  from
> Thunderbird ?

In theory, yes, via a SMS/MMS gateway (either a dedicated commercial
service or one of the services of a mobile operator):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway#Email_clients
https://www.liquisearch.com/list_of_sms_gateways

But in practice, I do not receive on my phone (Bouygues Telecom,
France, and it was the same with Free Mobile if I recall correctly) the
SMS I send from my MUA (Evolution but it was the same with
Thunderbird). I hope you have better luck :-)

Re: Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[Richmond]

ellanios82  writes:

> Good Day, List !
>
>
> - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone, from Thunderbird ?
>
>  Thanks vm
>
> .

Someone asked that question in alt.comp.software.thunderbird
recently. You could look there for answers.

Re: Bash script problem

[Darac Marjal]

On 06/08/2021 00:30, David wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 06:03, Gary L. Roach  wrote:
>
>> Second, why am I separating out the Path the way I am doing? I need to
>> check each level for existence then, if the level doesn't exist, create
>> the directory, cd to the directory, set chown and -x chmod. After that
>> check the next level and repeat the process until I run out of levels.
>> There are other things that need to be done with files that are similar.
> It sounds like you are unaware of 'mkdir -p' and 'chown -R'.
> They are the standard tools for this kind of task.
>
> 'chmod -R' is less useful because it does not discriminate
> between files and directories, I never understood why it
> does not offer that option, because usually we need all file
> permissions to not be the same as all directory permissions.

I also recently discovered that 'mkdir' has a '-m, --mode' option so
that, depending on your use case, you might not even need chmod. 'mkdir
-m u=rwx,g=rx,o= -p /path/to/somewhere' for example.

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Re: Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[Darac Marjal]

On 06/08/2021 07:36, ellanios82 wrote:
> Good Day, List !
>
>
>  - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone,  from Thunderbird ?
Talk to the service provider for the mobile phone. Some providers offer
an email to SMS service, whereby you are given an email address that
maps to your phone number and the first 140 characters of the body are
sent to the phone.
>
>   Thanks vm
>
> .
>
>



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Re: Bash script problem

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 10:52:51AM +1000, David wrote:

[...]

> I was commenting on how I have always been puzzled why
> someone made the effort to give 'chmod' an '-R' option, but
> never made it actually useful for common cases. As it is,
> it seems that it's really only useful for modifying the write attribute.

It doesn't cover all the cases, but you're aware of the 'X' variant
for chmod (aka: turn on the x bit if a directory, but also if it
has already an x bit somewhere else, alas):

  tomas@trotzki:~$ ls -ald f*b
  -rw-r--r-- 1 tomas tomas0 Aug  6 08:49 fib
  drwxr-xr-x 2 tomas tomas 4096 Aug  6 08:48 fob
  -rwxr--r-- 1 tomas tomas0 Aug  6 08:48 fub

  tomas@trotzki:~$ chmod go+X f?b

  tomas@trotzki:~$ ls -ald f*b
  -rw-r--r-- 1 tomas tomas0 Aug  6 08:49 fib
  drwxr-xr-x 2 tomas tomas 4096 Aug  6 08:48 fob
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 tomas tomas0 Aug  6 08:48 fub

It might /sometimes/ do what you want (i.e. in the most common case
where you want dirs to have the x bit set, but regular files not).

Cheers
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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 04:55:51PM -0400, lou wrote:
> tomas, thunderbird is working now

Thanks, glad to hear it :)

Cheers
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Re: Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[deloptes]

ellanios82 wrote:

> - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone,  from Thunderbird ?

yes, just attach a SIM card to it (jokingly)

Thunderbird add-on for SMS

[ellanios82]

Good Day, List !


 - is there a way to send an SMS to a mobile phone,  from Thunderbird ?

  Thanks vm

.