Re: a simple drawing program?
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a simple, easily usable, drawing package that's been debianized? I really don't need anything more complicated than venn diagram type stuff. MacDraw 1.0 would more than meet my needs. I've looked at gimp, which is overkill (and annoying on an 8 bit display due to colormap demands), and tgif, which seems to want to rotate my text and do other fancy stuff, as well as being a bit awkward in the interface. rick I strongly recommends xfig. And you can export for several formats that can be included in LaTeX, including PostScript. I suggest eepic, however, since you can use LaTeX (mathemathical) labels in your picture. from man fi2dev: -L Set the output graphics language. Valid languages are box, epic, eepic, eepicemu, ibmgl, latex, null, pic, pictex, ps, pstex, pstex_t, textyl, mf (META FONT) and tpic. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Compiling land.c
Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Adam Shand wrote: Hey, Hopefully a quick question. I'm trying to compile land.c (as in the exploit) and it bombs out on me because it can't find netinet/ip_tcp.h and netinet/protocols.h. Why you need to compile this program? If you want to find out whether your linux is vulnerable, just upgrade you linux to 2.0.32. BTW, linux is NOT vulnerable to this attack. Even version 1.2.13. see http://www.netspace.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9711dL=bugtraqO=TP=1541 for a complete list of vulnerable systems. It includes *BSD, NT, SCO, SunOS but not solaris -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Pentium Bug Fix for Linux?
Olivier THARAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 14, 1997 at 09:25:45AM +0100, Kevin Traas wrote: I just heard on BugTraq that there's now a bugfix available for Linux Anyone heard of it or where it might be obtained? It's in the latest 2.1.63 kernel, and hopefully will be integrated in 2.0.32... It is present on 2.0.32pre4 -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K56Flex Modems
Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Winmodem products are really a PITA in Linux - unless something's changed that I don't know about Winmodem products are really a PITA in any SO other than win95. Also, I've had internal modems that have caused problems under Linux/Unix in the past Although I didn't look too closely into it, someone mentioned that this was some sort of an interrupt problem irqtune solve this problem for every modem. This is a PC hardware conception problem. Hard disks have preference to serial lines in the standard configuration. Perhaps, this should be automatically managed by debian. For instance, if I have loaded PPP. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatting logical partition
Mario Olimpio de Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 2GB hd with the following partitions: ~ 700MB for / ~ 600MB for /home ~ 80MB for swap I would like to do 2 new partitions on the remainning free space. So I did an extended partition using the whole space and in this extended part. 2 Linux Native partitions. 1st Q. Is this correct? Is there other approach? Yes. Many other approachs. 2nd Q. If correct, how can I prepare the Linux partition inside the extended one? With mk2efs? As usual. For linux, there is no difference between primary or extended partition. You can prepare all partitions as being extended, if you prefer. Lilo, however, needs a primary partition if you do not want to put it in the master boot. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: msdos file system
Mike Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just loaded Linux for the 1st time. I would like to know how to create an msdos file system. I think I need other files installed on my system but have not been able to figure out what or how. mformat or mkdosfs -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Emacs and Xemacs
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, you can. It depends which versions you use. But I'm not sure if it is possible with 1.3, ... In bo, they conflict. If you do not mind, install both with force options. They overlap in some exec utils like ctags, etc. Not a real trouble. Install later the one you would like to be completely OK. In hamm, they do not conflict anymore. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: reading excel documents?
Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sometimes e-mailed microsoft excel documents while running Linux. Is there anyway to read those files without booting into Win95? You can also try wine + excel itself. I've heard some new versions of wine can run excel for win3.1. twin instead of wine could also be used. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Q: Programming for console and X11?
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dirk Luetjens wrote: I wanted to write an aplication which is capable of running in a graphics mode but also on a text console. I though of having the same look feel in both modes. Since is only uses buttons, checkboxes, selection lists and tabulars it should be possible to provide a console equivalent. In case of the console, window/buttons/... are drawn with characters and colors. The Deity project is developing a set of widgets much like you describe, but they are not really done yet. You can also give wxwindows a try. There is a porting of wxwindows to [n]curses and is called wxcurses. It seems that this porting is quite old but I would guess that most of elementary widgets are running fine. In this way, your program have a program which uses a particular widget running on X, (motif, Xview or just Xt) Console MSWindows Mac ftpsearch says that you can find it at : tp.pacificorp.com /.mirrors/ftp.aiai.ed.ac.uk/pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.cis.nctu.edu.tw /Linux/packages/devel/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.ips.gov.au /mirror/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.ese-metz.fr /pub/X11/Libs/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.ntua.gr /pub/X11/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.aiai.ed.ac.uk/pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.uni-augsburg.de /pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.pwr.wroc.pl /pub/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz ftp.fu-berlin.de /unix/languages/c++/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Multiple network cards. ARGH! Double ARGH! ;-)
Paulo Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mike! I have faced the same problem but with 3Com cards. There is only one solution for this problem: use 2 different network cards. Here, some people configured two NE2000 in a same box. They just put append=ether=10,0x320,eth1 in lilo.conf to describe the second card, since the first one is probed. Kernel: NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x300: 00 40 33 2f 6c de eth0: NE2000 found at 0x300, using IRQ 5. NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x320: 00 80 ad ab 28 3e eth1: NE2000 found at 0x320, using IRQ 10. Perhaps, the driver must be compiled inside the kernel, since some drivers have their parameters analised in boot time but not in loading module time. If there is some PNP card, you may have problems. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: emacs and xemacs
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just installed Debian 1.3.1 and it wouldn't let me install emacs AND xemacs... one or the other. How can I get both on my system? The cleaner way is to install the new versions from hamm. You can also install xemacs then install emacs with dpkg --force-conflicts and they will work (some bin utilities of xemacs will be overwritten, like ctags) -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Wine and xpm
Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Will Lowe wrote: I'm trying to compile wine ... we don't seem to have a package for it, understandable, since it's only in alpha at the moment. There is (or was don't know if it's still there) a version in experimental. If there isn't will you debianise it? I've always wanted to try it out. ... And if you wanna get a more recent version of wine, get the newest source, use the wine-alpha*.diff to debianize the new source and build the package. Very simple. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Pascal Compiler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently attempted to compile a simple Pascal program to make sure gpc is working. I was surprised to get the error: ld: cannot open -lgpc: No such file or directory I thought I might have missed installing the libraries so I reinstalled gpc and the library from dselect. I assume I got all the packages since I fixed the dependency problems which popped up when I selected gpc. After installing everything, the same error popped up, how do I get ld to find the Pascal library? 'dpkg --status gpc' shows: Version: 2.0-3 Depends: libc5, gcc (= 2.7.2.1-2), gcc ( 2.7.2.2), libgpc2 'dpkg --listfiles libgpc2' shows /usr/lib/libgpc.so.2.8 /usr/lib/libgpc.so.2 You should have libgpc2 package installed. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: First impressions on installing Debian 1.3
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a guy who has used Linux since 1993 or so, I found the installation to be non-trivial: ... - I didn't really like the interface of dselect. It's easy to get lost in there. Perhaps changing the background colour according to the context? (different background colour during conflict resolution; this package suggests this other (in blue foreground); this package conflicts altogether (in red)). I know dselect has a terrible complicated job to do. That's why i think it deserved a bit more polish. After all, it's the first reall interaction a user gets with Debian. There is a project which is working on replacing dselect. I'd like to suggest you to install/use packages like menu and dwww. You will see how powerful is the distribution. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RFC: Prospective Kernel-Compiling mini-HOWTO
Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe debian *always* installs LILO in the boot record and uses the 'mbr' program to write a new mbr (?? This is from memory - I'm not looking at the script) I personally never put LILO in the MBR cos OS/2 and Win95 view the MBR as their territory ... Many MSDOS viruses also do it. I also *prefer* this direction. However, if we do not have any linux partition as a primary partition in the first HD, lilo must go to MBR. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Search results from dww [was: Re: debian meta-help?}
Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I just tried a search on mount. I have dwww and boa installed. I only got the following. Any ideas why I don't get the rest? [...] I do not know why. Indeed I am using Apache as my httpd but I do not think this could be the problem. One guess, do you have info2www installed? I have the the following versions installed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/octave/spline] dpkg --list dwww info2www menu man-db Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionDescription +++-===-==- ii dwww1.4.1-1Read all on-line documentation via WWW ii info2www1.2.2.9-5 Read Info files with a WWW browser ii menu1.3-2 provides update-menus functions for some app ii man-db 2.3.10-38 Display the on-line manual. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/octave/spline] Indeed I do not understand the precise diff between 'Manual pages' and 'Manual page search' fields in my results. Anyway, I would also try to reinstall dwww even if you are using the same version I am using. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There already is a package with ncftp. It is in the non-free tree on any decent debian-ftp-server. You won't find the non-free tree on most Cheap-CDs like Cheap-Bytes (I think) or Infomagic's (I know) You guessed wrong. Cheap-Bytes includes the whole contrib and selected files from non-free. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Glitches during stable - frozen transition
Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He probably didn't choose to replace /etc/init.d/boot when asked. It's a conffile - we really need to improve the way conffiles are handled, I think. One suggestion: give an option to show a diff -c2 old-conf-file new-conf-file |more command before any decision. Some problems like: I would like to get this piece of code but not that piece remain unsolved. Something like ediff-mode in emacs would be the ideal solution, IMO. The problem is that emacs is too heavy to be started in a configuration process and large enough to be required for other installations. If only jed had an ediff-mode... Perhaps something could be writen in perl. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: New to Debian
W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone here just moved from Red Hat to Debian ? Me. I came from RH 3.0.3 and I am satisfyed. I also used RH 4.0 but I prefer Debian for my taste. You can configure and upgrade better. You also have much more official packages. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
[ I do not like this kind of discussion but I thing some things could be helpful to some people. Indeed, I have been using emacs for a long long time and I started to read this trhead because I would like to learn some things about vi. Perhaps I will stop writing in this thread. ] Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Emacs is powerful, but in vi the work is faster not only because the editor is faster, but also because you don't have to move your fingers off the letters. Neither do I. Even in X, I almost do not use the mouse. Indeed, inside a console or inside an xterm (emacs -nw) I could only use the mouse if I have done some non-standard configuration. Just don't use the mouse if you prefer. You can do everything without the mouse. I like [x]jed too. Indeed I use jedfor small editions. Besides, my .emacs, site-start.el and default.el load many many things and takes some seconds to start. Mine too. cc-mode, font-lock, etc... I use auto-load for almost everything. Font-lock is loaded the first time I use a mode with Font-lock capabilities. I think font-lock (and I use colors here) increases the readability. Get fvwm-mode (from fvwm-mode.el somewhere) for instance. IMHO, it is much more simple to edit fvwm configuration files using this mode. I think this mode was also helpfull when I was configuring apache since the configuration files syntax are not so different. BTW, use lazy-lock if you are concerned about font-lock CPU consuming. So? I use pine, and emacs as the alternative editor. I use pine sometimes too. Sometimes I just use mail. I usually use Gnus inside emacs for reading and writing news and mail. I like to be able to score messages according to the subject, for instance. Those people who would not like to read this thread, for instance, could just underscore this thread. I can also score messages according to the author or according to strings present in the subject field. Well, I use emacs for mail and programming, and vi for configs and patches. Sometimes I use ed. If I have not started an emacs and I wanna do small edition I usually prefer an other editor too. Sometimes jed. Sometimes others. Emacs is good to be loaded all the time. Perhaps in my swap, if I am not using it. Well, both vi and emacs have its own purposes. I agree with you. I don't like incremental search because it's slow. I sincerely disagree here. I sincerely do not see how typing 'monitor' and ENTER in a search field can be faster than typing just 'mon' when I am looking for the section monitor in my /etc/X11/XF86Config. On my good ol' 486 I have just tested in an 8M 486 DX2/66 and incremental search was faster than I could type. And I tried to be fast. I used emacs only when I needed something really big. I used to do my LaTeX edition in my old 8M 386 DX/40 box using GNU Emacs with font-lock-mode. My file was 200Kbytes large. Sometimes, I was doing that with latex running in background... Now I have a Pentium 133, but I'm too used to vi to forget it :) Vadik. -- Vadim Vygonets * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Unix admin If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargil, C++ Journal, Fall 1990. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: WINE
Brian C. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? Have a good one. You can find a really old version of wine in project/experimental. I have a newer version compiled on my machine and will be uploading a new package before the release of 1.3. You can always debianize a new version yourself. Get the .diff.gz file in the source, apply the patch to a new version of wine, and run debian/rules binary Perhaps you should do some small edition like in debian/changelog. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.2.4 list of known problems
Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm new to Debian. I've been waiting for one month to receive the 1.2.4 CD from Cheap Bytes (sent March 3rd arrived April 4th) and I'm I received my 1.2.4 from them in one week or so. And I am in Brazil. trying with it these days... I would not start waiting for another month NOW to get a more recent release (and the WEB says they're still selling 1.2.4 CDs). I tried installing anything just already marked at first entry in dselect (just had to de-select perl-base), but I read overriding messages during install and afterwards I had complains about configuration of some packages, which I type here by hand: ./base/libc5_5.4.20-1.deb ./dev/perl_5.003.07-6.deb ./editors/ed_0.2-11.deb ./misc/gpm_1.10-2.deb libc5-dev libdb1-dev libg++2.7-dev libgdbm1-dev texbin latex psnfss I didn't see any message at install-time saying that the release may have such problems, so I was thinking that if anybody had tried it before releasing it I should have anything working clean. If I understood right, this is known bug on which order the packages are installed and has being worked. You can solve this by choosing 'install' again in dselect. BTW, put /usr/X11R6/lib in yout /etc/ld.conf and run ldconfig if you have not done it. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 15 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: I do not know vi well but I do not see how it could be simpler than ctr-alt-s in emacs. There, while you are filling the regular expression you can see the text that the incomplete regular expression is matching. If you put one letter more and the matching you had does not match anymore, it goes to next ocurrence of that regular expression you have in the text. Here, I was not saying anything about fastness or slowness of any editor, but about a powerful use of emacs. Two reasons emacs is slow: 1. Lisp (jed is faster than emacs because it uses S-Lang (however they spell it)). I like [x]jed too. Indeed I use jed for small editions. Besides, my .emacs, site-start.el and default.el load many many things and takes some seconds to start. 2. It does too much things on your every keystroke (like that one above). Probably. I recall that emacs in a console or xterm is faster than in X. If you are using features like font-lock-mode (which put colors on your text according to the syntax), then things can be slower. Anycase, the time between two of my keystrokes are much more large. You didn't type it in emacs, did you? Emacs auto-fill mode breaks at 70th character, and you typed about 79 per line. I will answer you in a simple way: Take an Emacs and start the Gnus news reader. Then select my message in the summary and hit 't'. In this way you will see all the headers of my message. There you will see the X-Mailer field which was: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 In your reply to my message I see the message ID was Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I guess you have used pine to send your message. See Vadik, I do not want to say that vi is bad. I was just trying to expose a feature of emacs that I like a lot: incremental search for strings or regular expressions. I do not use vi for some editions just because I do know how to use it well. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Beta testing 1.3 installation
I am gonna install frozen from scratch in a machine and I would like to keep all the messages printed in the installation. What can I do to log all the messages? Is there a way to use script for this purpose? Is script in the base? Is there another program I should know about? It is my intention to report the problems I find. Where should I report them? Debian-user? Thanks in advance. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a key point to make here is that regexps aren't difficult to learn because of vi, they are difficult to learn because they are complex - but you MUST learn them if you want to have any proficiency with unix. vi actually makes them easier to learn because you can play with them interactively. I do not know vi well but I do not see how it could be simpler than ctr-alt-s in emacs. There, while you are filling the regular expression you can see the text that the incomplete regular expression is matching. If you put one letter more and the matching you had does not match anymore, it goes to next ocurrence of that regular expression you have in the text. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: ANNOUNCE: Public Desktop Environment
Looking at http://www.fsw.com/fdlite/copyright.html one can see things like: The commercial use of this Software shall be governed by a separate License agreement. Any individual or institution wishing to make commercial use of the Software must sign a license agreement with Freedom Software. Licensor reserves the right to terminate this License immediately on written notice, for material breach by the Licensee. and other things. If someone build a debian package with Freedom Desktop, in my understanding, it should go to non-free. What a mess! Edgar Galvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freedom Desktop Lite Announcement (1.01) We are pleased to announce the public availability of the Freedom Desktop Lite. Freedom Desktop Lite is an easy-to-use yet powerful desktop environment/GUI integrated to the Unix environment. It combines ease of use and advanced features to help users interact with Unix quickly and efficiently. Freedom Desktop runs transparently in a variety of Unix environments, ... For more information feel free to visit http://www.fsw.com/fdlite/index.html Regards, Freedom Desktop Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fsw.com -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: Debian's 'group' system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete Harlan wrote: This reminds me---Debian has adopted this nice system of every user having his/her own group. (No sarcasm: It's a Good Thing.) I agree. It is a good thing. It is a nice system. I saw this for the first time in RedHat and I liked the idea. Everything is then group-writable by default, which is probably what you want. Can you enlighten me as to why this should be a Good Thing? Take my example. My username is alair and my default group is alair. Only user alair belongs to the group alair. In this way, all the files can be, by default, group writable. I couldn't do that if someone else belongs to my default group. I also belong to the group emacs-admin, for instance, and I want to put/edit/remove some files on site-lisp (owned by the group emacs-admin with group write permissions). Anyone who belongs to emacs-admin should be able to modify my changes. So my emacs-lisp files should be group writable. Since my files are by default group writable, it is sufficient that I use newgrp to change my group to emacs-admin and I will not need to change my umask as I used to do. Better yet, in this example, if the site-lisp directory was setgid (chmod g+s some-long-path/site-lisp), then any new file inside site-lisp would be owned by the emacs-lisp group. Any new directory would also be setgid. So neither my command newgrp would be necessary. Isn't that great? To me it feels as though the group and user ownerships are now merged into one, effectively _removing_ one possibility to differentiate. As you could see, it is not true that the group and user ownerships are merged into one since I can change. In the case where the group has more than me --- and in some systems (slackware?) the default group is the group users, and everyone belongs to users --- my files are usually readable by everyone but writable only by me. In this case, would be the group and others ownerships merged? Indeed, if you belong to a group and you prefer your files group readable but not world readable, you would rather prefer this group to be your default group. Your default umask would be something like 027. I guess this situation is not so usual and I prefer all the files to be world readable, in general. I hope I didn't do any mistake. Even in this case, the ideas are here. Of course I found how to switch it off in /etc/adduser.conf, but I think it should be something that adduser should at least _prompt_ about. Eric Meijer E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: xemacs and emacs
Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can someone explain why the xemacs and emacs packages can't coexist on the same Debian system? (What would it take to make them coexist?) I have both on my computer at home. All that I know is that there are some conflict in some few auxiliary binaries like /usr/bin/etags. (There was such a question few months ago.) Both packages provide them. Such binaries does not have the same syntax and their usage may be quite different. Someone mentioned on /etc/alternative. I do not know this well but I think this could be used to resolve the conflicts. For sure some package would loss a few of its functionality. Other idea: split emacs package in emacs and emacs-utils. In emacs-utils you put all these conflicting binaries. Do the same for xemacs and install only one of emacs-utils and xemacs-utils. We could have something like: emacs depends emacsutl emacs suggests emacs-utils xemacs depends emacsutl xemacs suggests xemacs-utils emacs-utils provides emacsutl xemacs-utils provides emacsutl emacs-utils conflicts xemacs-utils (would it be necessary to explicit?) Another idea: (feasible?) move the conflicting binaries of xemacs to some internal directory (like we have with movemail, hexl) and configure the specific variables in site-start if these is a problem. Perhaps renaming some bins like etags to xetags could be done. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: xemacs and emacs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The maintainers of these two packages reached an agreement on how to make possible to install both without any conflicts. They uploaded corrected versions to master.debian.org/Incoming but for some reason they were not transferred to Bo. I downloaded these two packages from Incoming and installed them without problems. It would be very nice if these packages reachs frozen. It is annoying that dselect reclaims both are conflicting every time I update my system. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: Safer package installation
Raymond A. Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Installed packages go to a specific place in the file hierarchy, e.g. /usr/packages/package-name/. There's /usr/packages/name/lib/, /usr/packages/name/bin/, etc. A script then makes symlinks from, say, /usr/lib/file-name to /usr/packages/package-name/lib/file-name. What about performance? I don't think a system full of symlinks would be so fast. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: KDE/KDM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: KDE itself is free, but the Qt toolkit upon which KDE is free _only_when_used_with_X_. ... You'll still be able to get KDE from the non-free directory and run it. Bruce, shouldn't it be the contrib directory instead of the non-free directory? I can see many packages which depends on Motif in contrib and I do not see why should Motif be more free than Qt. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: make-kpkg
Mirek Kwasniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My first attempt to make-kpkg: $ make-kpkg -revision custom.1.0 kernel_image I got endless messages: Max open DLCI (CONFIG_DLCI_COUNT) [24] This is the maximal number of logical point-to-point frame relay connections (the identifiers of which are called DCLIs) that the driver can handle. The default is probably fine. Max open DLCI (CONFIG_DLCI_COUNT) [24] This is the maximal number of logical point-to-point frame relay connections (the identifiers of which are called DCLIs) that the driver can handle. The default is probably fine. ... What do I do ? I had the same problem. There is a fix to be done in dpkg-gencontrol which changes a line chown(@fowner, $fileslistfile.new) to chown(0,0, $fileslistfile.new) It was published in this list somewhere around. BTW, Does anyone know wether this bug was fixed in some new package? -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: AWE32 problems.
Richard Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:29:34 +1000 From: Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, Dark Lord of Sith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AWE32 problems. Dark Lord of Sith wrote: I just can't get the AWE32 sound card to work under debian. It works fine under dos,95, or NT. I've installed all the patches and tried running it with kernel 2.0.27, 2.0.29, and 2.1.26 with no success. I use the I/O ,IRQ and DMA values out of the manual which match the ones in 95. The card is plug and play. If anyone know of the setting that work or have any ideas please let me know. Thanks! IRQ: 5 DMA: 1 and 5 It is possibly becuase your sound card is PnP and you need the PnP patch or download the isapnptools from sunsite.unc.edu lawrence isapnptools is available as a .deb package. Haven't tried it yet, but it is installed. Does anyone know if it is possible for a pnp sound card to configure without that package, on previous versions of debian? Yes. I do not like this approach but it is possible. It may also be helpful if you are setting the kernel parameters for the sound first and you would like to attack the PnP mess later: 1) If you configure your PnP board in autoexec.bat / config.sys in DOS, just boot into DOS first. 2) If not, You should boot into win95 in order it configure your PnP board. Anycase, note the IRQs, DMAs that were attributed to your board. 3) Boot to linux now. Either use loadlin, or just use a worm boot (no reset botton, no power botton) like Ctr-Alt-Del. I'm havin a heck of a time getting sound support compiled into my kernel, and now I think it is because its a pnp card. You are probably right. Funny thing is with deb 1.1 I was able to config my kernel for sound no problem. Even for your PnP board. It sounds strange for me that Debian 1.1 could manage PnP boards and 1.2 could not. ahh I'm just havin' a bad week, first pon, now my sound...virtual scream I feel better now... Note: Last time I did such configurations, it was done over a RedHat installation and I did not start to compile the kernel in my fresh debian installation. I could even start to play some music in linux, hit ctr-alt-del, go to dos, and the music was not interrupt. I could also do the reverse. I was using some patches for the kernel. I will try isapnptools next time in debian. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil Received: (qmail 28000 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 22:42:50 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 27998 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 22:42:50 - Delivered-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: (qmail 27996 invoked from network); 4 Mar 1997 22:42:50 - Received: from golem.pixar.com (138.72.27.59) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 1997 22:42:49 - Received: by golem.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w22m4-00IdTlC; Tue, 4 Mar 97 14:33 PST Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 14:33 PST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian Management Re-Organization Reply-To: Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Debian management is being re-organized. I have added two offices: Daniel Quinlan is Senior Vice President Brian C. White is Vice President of Engineering Administrative matters of the Debian project are delegated to Dan, and engineering decisions are delegated to Brian. Between them they have authority for all day-to-day operations of the project. I will retain the office of President, and I will concentrate on Debian's relationship with other entities and on some large policy planning issues. After a long time in the Debian management, the pressure of the ever-growing project became too much for me. There are also a number of projects that I've put off for too long, and would like to have at least a little time to work on them. Thus, the delegation. These two new positions are currently pro-tempore, but I have no reason to doubt that the board will make them official for a full one year term once the board votes on its own constitution. Thanks Bruce Perens -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3
Re: teTeX kind of broken
Christoph Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marcelo Magallon writes: On 28 Feb 1997, Christoph Martin wrote: The obvious solution is to remove all TeX files conflicting with teTeX before installing teTeX, but this is not user friendly, nice, cool, etc. You have no other chance. dpkg can't handle all (more than one) the replaces. Then, to the maintainer, PLEASE, include instructions about this unless we want to see the question How do I upgrade TeX? n+1 times on debian-user... I'm guessing something in the lines of In dselect [R]emove packages *first*, *then* [I]nstall them would work, but a bit more Where do you want to put these instructions? I have posted instructions to debian-user and debian-devel. If you put it in the preinst script it is to late. descriptive/less cryptic. Also, isn't there a workaround for the latex bug? I wouldn't like to see that question either, considering THERE IS a known solution. The only solution I know is to do it in the right order, but how do you enforce this? Some ideas on workarounds for the dpkg bug: What about a dummy package tetex-convertion? tetex-convertion replaces every old tex package. tetex-convertion conflicts with every old tex package. tetex-convertion is (pre)required by new tetexpackages Perhaps, one dummy package for each old tex package could solve the problem if the above approach fails. PS: I can't try myself these approchs. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: Lilo query
Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote: However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf boot=/dev/hda3 root=/dev/hda3 [snip] But nothing happened and Msdos started without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for the basic question but I would appreciate any help Yeah, the question is basic for those who know the answer. You installed LILO on the Linux (/dev/hda3) partition boot sector, not on the MBR (/dev/hda). So run either MS-DOS or Linux fdisk and change the bootable partition to /dev/hda3. Then reboot and may God be with you. Two approachs: 1) use fdisk to change the bootable partition like this answer. 2) put boot=/dev/hda instead of boot=/dev/hda3 which changes the MBR, like most I have seem here. IMO, the cleaner and the safer is the first one. However this approch can not be set if your linux partition (*) is not primary and in the first HD. (which is probably not your case, /dev/hda3.) The second one uses the MBR and some programs/viruses from other SOs may change it. This includes W95 installation process and many many viruses for M$ OS. In this case you will need your rescue floppy to reactivate linux. (*) in some cases you could also use the boot sector from a host non-linux primary partition which would not mind in having its boot sector borrowed. Perhaps a second MSDOS partition, for instance. At home, I have 10 partitions in my HD. My linux root partition -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil
Re: Dot-matrix printers
Alexander Gieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, again, how can I make my printer work? It's connected. It's online. It's working in Windows. It's working in DOS. I've the packages installed. So? :-) Short answer: RTFM. (Sorry, I could not control myself) Real answer: the answer depends on your configuration and you MUST do some adjusts. A good manual to read is HOWTO-PRINTING or something like that. I used to use apsfilter + ghostscript and it used to work very fine with my 24 dots Epson printer. Now I changed my config and lost that configuration. Some non-complete hints: 1) Verify which port your printer is attached to: ( for parallel printers: ) ls /dev/lp0 ls /dev/lp1 ls /dev/lp2 Some of these tests SHOULD work. Suppose /dev/lp1 is the answer. 2) install ghostscript and READ the documentation. (in particular about the device that is supposed to manage your printer. get a postscript file and test the device you suppose should work: generate an output file for your device and cat OUTPUT-FROM-GS /dev/lp1 3) install apsfilter and READ the documentation. 4) configure apsfilter for your port and the right device for your printer. It edits the printcap for you. 5) certify that lpd is installed and running (in the booting time it was usually started) -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to override xlib6 dependencies?
Paul Christenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use AcceleratedX (the only accelerated server for my graphics card), so I don't want to install XFree86, but I haven't been able to convince dselect that I already have a package which provides xlib6. That's because AcceleratedX does *NOT* provide the X libraries. Go ahead and install the new XFree86 3.2, including the VGA16 server, then reinstall AcceleratedX. Does anyone know whether AcceleratedX 1.3 works well over XFree86 3.2 ? -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian security list (was Re: security)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Eckenfels) writes: /* Mount Exploit for Linux, Jul 30 1996 ... whats your version of the mount package? Should be fixed long ago... (if it isnt another bug in mount): Wed Aug 21 13:10:46 1996 Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debian 1.1.6) o Added mount 2.5l-1 Fixes major security hole. It seems to me that Bernd Eckenfels did not known about the mount security hole. As I know, the unique place where you can know that there are some packages that MUST be updated due to security holes are linux-security, perhaps linux-alert (but I do not sign it), and debian-users. The USENET c.o.l.a too. RedHat normally warns about security holes in redhat-announce-list and I think it is great. IMO, debian-users is too much noise to be the unique debian list to have this warning. My suggestion is that: either we create a debian-security-list or advice about security-hole updated packages in debian-announce. Furthermore, I suggest that, during the installation, there is an advice that people subject to security holes problems MUST sign this list. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
