Re: Debian Developers Have Been Listening!
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 02:20:15PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote: > If this is true and it is a doddle to convert an ordinary debian install > with systemd running on it to the old sysvinit format then why is there all > this sturm und drang and spam on this subject...?? Fanaticism. For some it is not enough that it not be process 1. There can not be a single solitary trace of it on the system. Anywhere. At all. Purity above all. -- "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:34:41PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:12 PM, CaT c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? There is no /dev allocated to the disk drive when plugged into the USB3 board. Three possibilities IMO: * cable too dodgy for USB3 but not dodgy enough for USB2 to fail :) * card is dodgy (do you know that it actually does work?) * drivers are dodgy (can happen - is there a newer kernel you can try?) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? rbthomas@monk:~$ lspci | grep -i usb try 'lspci -v | less' and find your card in there. See if there's a driver allocated to it. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:10:34PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I was just wondering if I _really_ needed it. You don't -really- need it. I haven't seen it bring anything of worth to me yet other than bluetooth audio. If it wasn't for that I'd ditch it as it just adds complexity. Since you're using xfce, it's totally optional. Try getting rid of it and see how you fly without. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: What package contains the time daemon?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot time, then ntp takes over. Unless I misremember, you don't even need ntpdate. Starting ntp with -g will do just fine (and it's the default config - I add -N). I don't even have ntpdate installed. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150726040937.ga5...@zip.com.au
Re: Tutorial BackupPC
No tengo acceso a la documentacion pero creo recuerdar que en la configuracion del equipo puedes definir el directorio del que se va a hacer la copia, excluir directorios y creo que hasta ficheros... Saludos! El 22/08/2014 17:52, Juan jawif...@gmail.com escribió: Buenas tardes, de nuevo con una consulta: En mi trabajo tenemos un servidor Debian que contiene algunos directorios compartidos al que accede cada usuario de la red. Necesito implementar un buen sistema de backup para poder hacer respaldos hacia ese servidor, tanto de los directorios compartidos alli como de otros directorios ubicados en equipos windows, que por diferentes motivos no pueden estar en el servidor. Por ejemplo, el software impositivo SIAP (de el ente recaudador de impuestos de Argentina) solo funciona de manera local, por tal motivo cada puesto de la red tiene una instalación de este soft en C:\program files\SIAp. Ese directorio es necesario respaldarlo en el servidor, al cual se le hace despues un respaldo a la nube, pero eso no es problema. Lo que quiero hacer es configurar Backuppc para poder hacer copias de cada uno de esos directorios al servidor y no encuentro la manera, estoy leyendo tutoriales desde la mañana y no logro ponerlo en marcha. No tetiempo de leer mucho, por eso busco la solución facil (no se enojen, hay obligaciones que no se pueden posponer), por eso no pido que me digan hacelo así, solo que me recomienden si conocen algun paso a paso para hacerlo. Gracias y perdon por la molestia. Juan PD: Aclaro que el servidor lo tengo instalado, backuppc está configurado con los usuarios, los hosts, etc, lo que no se es como indicar que me respalde solo una carpeta y no todo un recurso compartido. Espero haber sido claro. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53f76722.3010...@gmail.com
Re: internet traffic does not traverse openvpn server
I saw this thread and thought I would throw this in. When you want to check your VPN is working correctly, this tool comes in handy... https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ It checks to see if your DNS traffic is leaked to your ISP or if it goes through your VPN. On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:18:28 +0200 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Thanks for your help You're welcome… naughty pirate ;-) -- Corsican Proverb: If you feel like working, sit and let it pass!
What debian ISO's people download most
At the end of last April, I decided to operate a Debian torrent seedbox server. This is a picture of my RuTorrent screen ranking the downloads by upload ratio since then. https://debian.srv.sn/seedbox.png I am currently operating two servers, both of which are located in Europe because these servers are rather inexpensive to operate. One machine is connected to 1 Gbps unmetered connection. The other machine is connected to a 10 Gbps connection with 2 TB traffic limit. I am seeding all of the i386 and amd-64 ISO as well as some others, including debian-update ISO's I will take requests to seed other Debian ISO's, too!! Provide official download page links please.
PuTTY SSH client security
I use PuTTY to connect to my Debian boxes. I was concerned about whether PuTTY is susceptible to the Heartbleed bug, etc. as I noticed that the program has not had any updates in quite some time. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ Is this software still considered to be secure?
Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
I have two questions: 1. Would anyone be willing to give me a link to a simple USB keyboard that you think would work with this machine at boot time? Perhaps on Amazon.com or Newegg.com, etc.? 2. Do you know of a Debian CD of some type that will load a kernel without the need of a key press before the kernel loads? Debian install CD's and Live CD's require a key press at boot in order to load a kernel. I'm not sure about Knoppix but thought I would ask before wasting a DVD disc to find out that it won't boot. Here is what's going on with this machine: The USB keyboard that I have is not supported by the motherboard for some reason. However, the keyboard does work however after a kernel loads. My keyboard is a an AZZA brand, model number KME381U. It has buttons on it that will (in Windows) launch a web browser, change the speaker volume, etc. The motherboard has no PS/2 connector. I do have a PS/2 keyboard that I could use, but there is no place on the motherboard to plug it in. The motherboard does not have a clear CMOS jumper that I could find. There is a CMOS jumper on the motherboard, however, when this jumper is switched, when the computer boots, it puts me directly into CMOS and the keyboard did not work while in CMOS. I did take out the battery, waited a while, left the battery out, turned on the computer with the CMOS jumper moved and wound up back in CMOS but the keyboard was still not working. I was able to install Debian by changing the windows bootloader to boot the Debian installer as I described earlier. Now Debian is the only OS on the machine. I was planning to only use this computer via SSH connection. So, I only need a keyboard if I want to change CMOS settings or select an option from the Grub boot menu. So, it appears that my only solution is to get a different USB keyboard for this machine. On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 12:16 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:57:23 -0700 Thomas D. Dean tomd...@wavecable.com wrote: Maybe you need to clear the BIOS settings? I have never had to do that. From what he said, he's done that (although removing the battery don't work, except if you wait for some time because of the capacitor(s) power backup). IF this was done correctly (jumper or short circuit of 2 points), we could assume a non-ps/2 machine resetting its BIOS would, by default, enable legacy USB; but we can't be sure 100%… About the key typing time windows, I've seen BIOSes that only left ~1s, which is quite short (addon cards, such as SCSI controllers, can also reduce the window). -- J.A I'm such a no-life that when I get out home, people think I'm a new neighbor --'
Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
OK. I managed to get Debian installed. Here is what I did: I had previously installed the Debian installer stuff from the DVD into the Windows bootloader. However, since my keyboard didn't work I couldn't tell the computer to start the Debian installer from the Windows bootloader menu, so I only had the option of starting Windows. I had the same problem with booting the Debian DVD directly. My USB keyboard was not working yet, so I could not start the installer. So, after some thinking, I found this free program for managing the Windows bootloader: https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/ In Windows, I used the program to change the default from Windows loading to loading the Debian installer. I rebooted. As soon as the installer loaded, I was able to use my USB keyboard to install Debian. This is the first time I have ever had this issue and the first time I have owned a computer without a PS/2 keyboard connector. I have another computer where the same USB keyboard works at system boot, so I can get into CMOS or choose options from the Grub menu. However, I will still have the same problem in the future if I need to reinstall Debian. Plus, I cannot get into CMOS while my keyboard is not working during boot. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Kitty Cat realizar.la@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I have previously searched and found such things like this: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-023466.htm It says... Check for and enable USB Legacy Support: 1. Attach a PS/2 keyboard to the computer and boot the system. 2. Enter BIOS Setup by pressing [F2] during boot. 3. Go to the Advanced USB Configuration menu. 4. Set Legacy USB Support to Enabled. (May be listed as USB Legacy) 5. Exit and save changes [F10]. Any USB mouse or keyboard should now work in DOS mode. HOWEVER... _This_mobo_does_not_have_a_PS/2_keyboard_or_mouse_connector._ I can only use USB keyboards and mice with it. The keyboard does not work until _after_ Windows loads. If I boot the Debian install DVD, the menu comes up, but I am unable to press any buttons because the USB keyboard driver is not loaded or something similar. So, what I think I need to do is find a way to get the Debian install DVD to bypass the need to press a key until such time that a USB keyboard driver loads or something like that. OR... How do I tell the Windows bootloader to load the Linux kernel instead of booting Windows? This might work to get me past the point where the USB keyboard will work. However, if the keyboard doesn't start working after the kernel loads, then I'm stuck and won't be able to do anything with the computer. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:12:11 -0600 Kitty Cat realizar.la@gmail.com wrote: MPC CLIENTPRO 385 There are plenty of answers on… search engines (even how to access the BIOS on a MPC). -- M.AimeDormir : So, how is it going with your new boyfriend? AoiSora : Super great, I love him! He'll be the father of my children and grand children! M.AimeDormir : That is so filthy… :c
Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
My USB keyboard is connected directly to the computer. I have also tried it in every USB port on the computer. The keyboard doesn't even work at the Windows bootloader menu or the Grub menu or the menu I get when I boot the Debian DVD. I did manage to get Debian installed as I said in my other message, but I sure would like to be able to have the keyboard working at boot. I'm thinking that a previous owner turned off the legacy USB keyboard support in the CMOS and since there is no option for a PS/2 keyboard, I think it may be stuck without keyboard access at boot time. On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Thomas D. Dean tomd...@wavecable.com wrote: When you try to access BIOS from thekeyboard, make sure the keyboard is connected directly to the computer, not through a hub. Tom Dean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ae6ee8.5000...@wavecable.com
Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
That was a good idea. I tried it, but the keyboard still did not work. I believe this is the correct motherboard: http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/dsktpboards/dq965co There is a barcode sticker on the mobo with that number on it. I only got the computer when I bought it. No manual, keyboard, etc. came with it. I was digging around the online documentation trying to figure out where the reset jumper was located and found this: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-002842.htm This is also strange to me. On some mobo's they tell you to swap the jumper to the other pin which resets the CMOS then switch it back before you power it on because it can damage the board. With this board, you swap the jumper and then turn it on and you wind up in CMOS when it boots. However, my keyboard was still not working while in CMOS. So, I unplugged everything and took out the battery. Waited a while, then plugged everything back in but I left the battery out. Then powered it on. I wound up back in CMOS again and the keyboard still did not work. So, I unplugged everything again and put the battery back in. I think it did reset CMOS though. Because now it says that there was a battery failure and that there is a CMOS checksum error and something about the time being not set. I also unplugged my hard drive and it tried to boot off the network. So, it seems to work OK. It still boots the hard drive when it is plugged in. After all my poking and prodding, I am thinking that maybe it needs a certain type of USB keyboard in order to have a working keyboard at boot. I know that some USB devices have to have drivers before the computer knows what to do with them. I'm thinking that may be the case with my keyboard but not sure. Maybe the mobo simply does not power up the USB ports at boot. But then that doesn't really make any sense either. This is the strangest computer that I have worked with. On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:56 AM, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 01:39:45AM -0600, Kitty Cat wrote: I'm thinking that a previous owner turned off the legacy USB keyboard support in the CMOS and since there is no option for a PS/2 keyboard, I think it may be stuck without keyboard access at boot time. If you can find a manual for the motherboard there should be a jumper to clear CMOS which will reset the BIOS settings to defaults. Alternatively, removing the CMOS battery for a few seconds will usually achieve the same result. I would imagine that USB keyboard support would be enabled in the default settings. Cheers, Tom -- Knghtbrd hardcopy is for wussies Topher computer program listingsnext, on HardCopy
Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
I can't install Debian. The USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads. I bought a used MPC computer that only has USB ports -- No PS/2 ports. The machine currently has Windows installed. When installing Debian, it is required to press a button during the boot sequence in order to load a kernel. I have tried numerous times to install Debian, but since the keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads I can't press any buttons during boot. I have also never been able to get into CMOS for the same reason. I installed the Debian install into the Windows bootloader from the DVD and also booted the DVD directly. I must press a key during boot to activate. Is it my keyboard maybe or the mobo that is causing the problem? My Keyboard is AZZA brand, model KME381U Mobo is INTEL DESKTOP BOARD and E210882 Computer is an MPC CLIENTPRO 385
Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads
Yes. I have previously searched and found such things like this: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-023466.htm It says... Check for and enable USB Legacy Support: 1. Attach a PS/2 keyboard to the computer and boot the system. 2. Enter BIOS Setup by pressing [F2] during boot. 3. Go to the Advanced USB Configuration menu. 4. Set Legacy USB Support to Enabled. (May be listed as USB Legacy) 5. Exit and save changes [F10]. Any USB mouse or keyboard should now work in DOS mode. HOWEVER... _This_mobo_does_not_have_a_PS/2_keyboard_or_mouse_connector._ I can only use USB keyboards and mice with it. The keyboard does not work until _after_ Windows loads. If I boot the Debian install DVD, the menu comes up, but I am unable to press any buttons because the USB keyboard driver is not loaded or something similar. So, what I think I need to do is find a way to get the Debian install DVD to bypass the need to press a key until such time that a USB keyboard driver loads or something like that. OR... How do I tell the Windows bootloader to load the Linux kernel instead of booting Windows? This might work to get me past the point where the USB keyboard will work. However, if the keyboard doesn't start working after the kernel loads, then I'm stuck and won't be able to do anything with the computer. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:12:11 -0600 Kitty Cat realizar.la@gmail.com wrote: MPC CLIENTPRO 385 There are plenty of answers on… search engines (even how to access the BIOS on a MPC). -- M.AimeDormir : So, how is it going with your new boyfriend? AoiSora : Super great, I love him! He'll be the father of my children and grand children! M.AimeDormir : That is so filthy… :c
Re: [OT] [Cuidado] Mensaje de correo sospechoso
El 16/04/2014 22:49, Eduardo Rios eduri...@yahoo.es escribió: Hace un momento me ha llegado un correo que dice: De: listascor...@msjs.co Asunto: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish Texto: Hola No puedo ni enviar mensajes, ni recibo los mensajes (estoy suscrito) de la lista. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2014/04/threads.html ya hice esto y no sirvio http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches ¿qué hago? -- Aviso por si acaso... -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 1 linux machines Registered Linux machine #2003003 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/limqbl$j9l$1...@ger.gmane.org Este no esta mal a mi me llego uno que decía que no recordaba como mandar correos a la lista xdd
Re: iptables and redirection traffic from one PC to another
I think you miss accept input traffic from port 81. You can add logging messages or run tcpdump to see what traffic are dropped. Regards. Fernando. El 14/02/2014 14:44, Aleksander Kurczyk akurc...@outlook.com escribió: Hello, This is my firewall script: sudo iptables -F sudo iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22005 -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -A INPUT -j DROP sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 81 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:80 sudo iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.1.10 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT sudo iptables -L I want to run it on Raspbian which is behind my home router. I forwarded the whole incoming traffic from my router to the RPI using the DMZ function (NAT 1:1). The -A INPUT part of the script works! :) I can access only 22005 and 80 from the Internet and every other port on the LAN subnet and lo interface. The thing is that the port forwarding part isn't working :( sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 81 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:80 sudo iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.1.10 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT I want to redirect the 81 port of my RPI to my home PC's 80 port (web serwer). I found this in Google. Of course I also enabled IPv4 forwarding in sysclt: sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 And am I dropping the packets correctly or should I use default policy instead? This way is simpler to understand. Is there something that I am doing wrong in this script? -- Best regards, Aleksander Kurczyk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dub125-w47a470a9d5966f19a1cf9cda...@phx.gbl
Re: freeradius debian 7
Ese error es debido a que el puerto esta ocupado, bien porque otro freeradius esta en ejecucion o porque otro servicio lo esta usando. El 31/10/2013 22:46, co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu escribió: Hola Alguien que haya implementado freeradius en Debian 7 que me pueda dar una mano e intentado un monton de cosas sin resultado. Siempre me pone Failed binding to authenticated address * port 1812: Address alredy in use /etc/freeradius/radiusd.conf[240]: Error binding to port 0.0.0.0 port 1812 ah he leido que freeradius es bastante sensible y cuando pones algo mal lo mas minimo no te deja reiniciar freeradius He tratado de correrlo en modo debug pero al parace cuendo instalas freeradius desde un .deb no te deja o simmplemente pudiera decir que no he logrado hacerlo funcionar o sea pongo radiusd -X y nada el que funciona es freeradius -X antes en debian 5 me funcionaba perfectamente con radiusclient1 mgetty y ppp Pero con freeradius 2.* las cosas son diferentes Alguna idea Salu2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f97a4e4485af298e3e20eb813361686b.squirrel@192.168.13.16
Re: Changing to lvm from ext4
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:30:09PM -0400, To Ro wrote: What would be the best course of action to switch my system to lvm? This is what I have: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on rootfs 9.2G 8.3G 425M 96% / udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev tmpfs 592M 756K 591M 1% /run /dev/disk/by-uuid/b9a3a0e3-9f3b-401e-8f12-8d123e6e7f3b 9.2G 8.3G 425M 96% / tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock tmpfs 1.5G 536K 1.5G 1% /run/shm /dev/sda729G 5.6G 22G 21% /home ... And there is also 600 GB of adjacent disk space where /home used to be from squeeze. I already made a tarball with these older /home and saved it to an exterior device. I want to reuse this disk space, with lvm, and migrate existing wheezy installation to it, occupying the whole disk this time and bringing back most of the old data saved in the tarball. I'd want to avoid fragmenting things, personally so what I'd do is: * duplicate the above setup in the 600 GB of space, * make sure I can boot into that, * from the new location nuke the above partitions, * create 1 for lvm, * do the lvm setup and copy the data, * make sure I can boot into the new setup, * from the new setup nuke the temporary setup, * extend the partition you made (remove and recreate in fdisk with the same starting position) * extend the group. If the last two steps scare you then group multiple partitions together and use that. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130528230918.ga3...@zip.com.au
Re: Debian 7 Wheezy Stable Relelased
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 07:11:40PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 03:44:35PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: It's very easy to install XFCE. Drill down in the graphical installer to other desktops and make your selection Or: sudo apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies Or: sudo apt-get install task-xfce-desktop ;) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506031310.ga3...@zip.com.au
Re: debian 64 or 32 bit
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:26:17PM +0200, Andrei Hristow wrote: Hi, I have 8 GB RAM Which version will be better for my i381 or amd64 amd64. Go native and get full access to your ram at full speed. If you need i386 for anything you can go multiarch (you may aswell install wheezy at this stage IMO). -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130118104434.ga7...@zip.com.au
Re: [1/2OT] how to delete ??? file
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:29:35PM +0800, lina wrote: -? ? ? ? ?? XX.tar -? ? ? ? ?? try.pdb -? ? ? ? ?? try-c.pdb -? ? ? ? ?? test_xtc2pdb.f -? ? ? ? ?? SUB_UTILITY.o -? ? ? ? ?? SUB_UTILITY.f ... I wonder how can I delete it? I'd say your filesystem is corrupted more than anything. It's not rm you want. It's fsck. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130118125012.gb7...@zip.com.au
Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 03:18:32PM +1100, CaT wrote: Felt that was a bit too many packages (182 new i386 packages) to be installed so: apt-get purge ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk For you this will get rid of more packages than you may want. Make a note. For me skype is not installed as a deb so that's safe. ldd `which skype` Gives me a list of libs it uses, including missing, which led to: apt-get install libqtgui4:i386 libc6-i686:i386 apt-get install libqt4-xml:i386 apt-get install libqt4-dbus:i386 libqt4-network:i386 apt-get install libxv1:i386 apt-get install libxss1:i386 This gives me 39 i386 packages. A -lot- less. Then I spotted libc6-i386 so... apt-get purge libc6-i386 Which removed 32bit asound and so you apt-get install libasound2:i386 And sorted. System should be clean of 32bit kludges and properly multi-arch now. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121209043414.ga11...@zip.com.au
Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 02:17:55PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Thanks for the answer, Andrei, but something is still not completely clear. When you purge a package (any package) all its files should be removed by dpkg, but sometimes packages generate files on install and don't clean up on removal[1]. This is usually a bug which should be reported. If it's severe enough it should be fixed before the release of wheezy. Yes, I know that. But removing (and purge ia32-libs) before change to multiarch will also remove all 32-bit-apps. But an upgrade will install a newer package of ia32-libs + stay the 32-bit-apps + install 32-bit-libs from i386. What happens to the old ones from the former ia32-libs? Will they be overwritten? Newly linked? Purged? I went: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update apt-get -u dist-upgrade Saw this: The following NEW packages will be installed: acl esound-common freeglut3:i386 gcc-4.7-base:i386 gtk2-engines:i386 gtk2-engines-pixbuf:i386 ia32-libs-gtk-i386:i386 ia32-libs-i386:i386 lesstif2:i386 libacl1:i386 libaio1:i386 libart-2.0-2:i386 libasound2:i386 libasyncns0:i386 libatk1.0-0:i386 libattr1:i386 libaudio2:i386 libaudiofile1:i386 libavahi-client3:i386 libavahi-common-data:i386 libavahi-common3:i386 libbsd0:i386 libc6:i386 libcaca0:i386 libcairo2:i386 libcanberra-gtk-module:i386 libcanberra-gtk0:i386 libcanberra0:i386 libcap2:i386 libcomerr2:i386 libcups2:i386 libcurl3:i386 libdatrie1:i386 libdb5.1:i386 libdbus-1-3:i386 libdbus-glib-1-2:i386 libdirectfb-1.2-9:i386 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau1a:i386 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2:i386 libedit2:i386 libesd0:i386 libexif12:i386 libexpat1:i386 libffi5:i386 libflac8:i386 libfltk1.1:i386 libfontconfig1:i386 libfreetype6:i386 libgail-common:i386 libgail18:i386 libgcc1:i386 libgconf-2-4:i386 libgconf2-4:i386 libgcrypt11:i386 libgd2-xpm:i386 libgdbm3:i386 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libglapi-mesa:i386 libglib2.0-0:i386 libglu1-mesa:i386 libgnutls26:i386 libgpg-error0:i386 libgphoto2-2:i386 libgphoto2-port0:i386 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386 libice6:i386 libidn11:i386 libieee1284-3:i386 libjack-jackd2-0:i386 libjasper1:i386 libjbig0:i386 libjpeg62:i386 libjpeg8:i386 libjson0:i386 libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386 libkrb5support0:i386 liblcms1:i386 libldap-2.4-2:i386 libltdl7:i386 liblua5.1-0:i386 liblzma5:i386 liblzo2-2:i386 libmng1:i386 libmpg123-0:i386 libncursesw5:i386 libnspr4:i386 libnspr4-0d:i386 libnss3:i386 libnss3-1d:i386 libodbc1:i386 libogg0:i386 libopenal1:i386 libp11-kit0:i386 libpam0g:i386 libpango1.0-0:i386 libpciaccess0:i386 libpcre3:i386 libpixman-1-0:i386 libpng12-0:i386 libpopt0:i386 libpulse0:i386 libqt4-dbus:i386 libqt4-network:i386 libqt4-script:i386 libqt4-test:i386 libqt4-xml:i386 libqtcore4:i386 libqtgui4:i386 librtmp0:i386 libsamplerate0:i386 libsane:i386 libsane-common libsasl2-2:i386 libsdl1.2debian:i386 libselinux1:i386 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a:i386 libslang2:i386 libsm6:i386 libsndfile1:i386 libsqlite3-0:i386 libssh2-1:i386 libssl1.0.0:i386 libstdc++5:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libsvga1:i386 libsysfs2:i386 libtasn1-3:i386 libtdb1:i386 libthai0:i386 libtiff4:i386 libtinfo5:i386 libts-0.0-0:i386 libusb-0.1-4:i386 libuuid1:i386 libv4l-0:i386 libv4lconvert0:i386 libvorbis0a:i386 libvorbisenc2:i386 libvorbisfile3:i386 libwrap0:i386 libx11-6:i386 libx11-xcb1:i386 libx86-1:i386 libxau6:i386 libxaw7:i386 libxcb-glx0:i386 libxcb-render-util0:i386 libxcb-render0:i386 libxcb-shm0:i386 libxcb1:i386 libxcomposite1:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxdamage1:i386 libxdmcp6:i386 libxext6:i386 libxfixes3:i386 libxft2:i386 libxi6:i386 libxinerama1:i386 libxml2:i386 libxmu6:i386 libxmuu1:i386 libxp6:i386 libxpm4:i386 libxrandr2:i386 libxrender1:i386 libxslt1.1:i386 libxss1:i386 libxt6:i386 libxtst6:i386 libxv1:i386 libxxf86vm1:i386 odbcinst1debian2:i386 xaw3dg:i386 zlib1g:i386 The following packages will be upgraded: ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libglu1-mesa libxml2 libxml2-utils python-libxml2 unzip Felt that was a bit too many packages (182 new i386 packages) to be installed so: apt-get purge ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk For you this will get rid of more packages than you may want. Make a note. For me skype is not installed as a deb so that's safe. ldd `which skype` Gives me a list of libs it uses, including missing, which led to: apt-get install libqtgui4:i386 libc6-i686:i386 apt-get install libqt4-xml:i386 apt-get install libqt4-dbus:i386 libqt4-network:i386 apt-get install libxv1:i386 apt-get install libxss1:i386 This gives me 39 i386 packages. A -lot- less. The thing with ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk is that they contain lots of packages within them and debian does not know which you /really/ need. Installing the 182 just keeps things safe. Note the upgrade of ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk. These are 130 bytes in size installed. Down from 500MB
Re: Squeeze boots into my LVM over RAID, but wheezy won't.
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 10:48:53AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:08:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: How big's your post-MBR gap? I gather that's the so-called embedding region. I don't know. How do I go about finding out? Can I change it? fdisk -l /dev/sdX fdisk -c -u -l /dev/sdX is preferred these days as you really want to see the gap in sectors and not cylinders. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121002022418.gf22...@zip.com.au
Re: join 2 contiguous ext3 partitions
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 02:45:15PM +0100, Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote: Hello, can I somehow join 2 ext3 partitions ? /dev/sda6 28G 15G 12G 56% /media/armazem /dev/sda7 19G 8.2G 9.3G 47% /media/despensa they both contain data. It's fun danger time. :) They're small. Perhaps compressing onto a usb stick would be a go as a first step. Then you have two options: 1. copy and resize a. copy data in sda7 to sda6 b. with fdisk -c -u not the beginning of 6 and end of 7 c. delete 6 and 7 d. recreate 6 so that it begins where 6 did and ends where 7 did and save - very important to get right. most important is to get the beginning exactly the same. if you cannot, quit without saving and go for option 2. - ending is less important. don't fret there e. if sda is in use, reboot after commening out their entries in /etc/fstab f. fsck the fs on 6 (the new 6) g. use resize2fs to resize that filesystem h. adjust fstab as appropriate 2. format and copy back a. do b-e from above b. mkfs.ext3 (or 4 if you want) on 6 c. copy from usb stick d. adjust fstab as appropriate Fun times ahead. :) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110701140229.gj22...@zip.com.au
Re: Restarting network
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:15:35AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: Apparently '/etc/init.d/networking restart' is depricated. It is not doing the job any more on squeeze. '/etc/init.d/ifplugd restart' ignores virtual interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. So how do I get my virtual interfaces active after a reboot or restart of the network without having to do 'ifup eth0:0' by hand? Why not use 'auto interface' before each interface definition? -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100706074318.gt2...@zip.com.au
Re: Debian support on newer 4K Advanced format drives (rather than 512 bytes)
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Mike Viau wrote: Hello List, I was just wondering what some of the debian community users has been experiencing in regards to the new Western Digital 4K Advanced format drives? Has any one tried using one of these drives on the 2.6.26 (64/32 bit) kernel shipped with Lenny stable? How about with the 2.6.32 (64/32 bit) kernel shipped with squeeze testing? Is the support more dependant on the kernel or does debian already support these drives? These drives lie about the real size of their sectors so the kernel sees them as 512byte sectors drives, as do all the utilities I used on them. This presents a problem because unaligned access to these drives is a right bastard of a performance killer. It hurts like blazes. I wound up having to backup my desktop and repartition the hd appropriately. This is where the fun comes in. You'll need to ignore all the defaults of partitioning and do it all yourself. A calculator is handy. :) You'll want to align at 8 sectors and leave enough room at the beginning for the mbr and other fun stuff. I left a meg, which is overkill but I just did not care at that point. From there figure out the right sizes of your partitions. To be honest here I found parteds UI to be a right total pain in the bottom but at least it was somewhat easier to use (in other respects) than fdisk. I wont be buying more of these if I can avoid it. I'd rather a 4k drive that says it's a 4k drive and get on with life. Tis all fun. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100704043115.gm2...@zip.com.au
Re: Running GNOME with 128 MB RAM - Painfully slow?
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 08:33:05PM -0700, Tech Geek wrote: Anybody's input who has expereince running GNOME on a low end system like this would be helpful. Whilst not an direct answer to your question, try xfce. It's meant to be lightweight and, on my EEE it works great. You can install gnome and kde thingies (applets and stuff) if there are no xfce equivalents. If all that fails, drop the idea of a desktop manager and just go for a simpler setup. DMs tend to load a fair bit into RAM to do their funky things. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100405132449.ga2...@zip.com.au
Re: Iceape Problems - Is there hope for Squeeze?
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 08:35:24PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I decided to give your approach a try. The installation of Thunderbird went well and on start up it recovered all my saved emails and my account settings. The Firefox installation has not been so successful. The program starts, has picked up my bookmarks but crashes when I try to go to some of my favorite web sites or if it reaches them it crashes when asked to play a video. There is a message that the problem might relate to previously opened browers but I had closed the iceape browser before starting firefox. FYI: iceape is the debian version of mozilla's seamonkey so if you're looking for a direct replacement, I'd recommend seamonkey. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:02:56PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Brian Marshall wrote: On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:00:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The problem with downloading the applications from seamonkey, is that they are .tar.gz files, rather than .deb packages, and my experience with using .tar.gz files for installing software, rather than .deb packages, is that the .tar.gz files are messy to install, and the effects horrendous. Actually, the tarballs from Mozilla aren't source, so they don't require installation. You can run the firefox/seamonkey/whatever binary from the directory you extracted it to. The problem with that, is that, when updating the version, as I had done in the past, I always had to create and go down to, a new, lower directory level, and I ended up with something like seven directory levels for the path of the installed application, before I simply gave up updating the application. Now, I just avoid .tar.gz files. I don't get it. I've been using tarballs since, well, mozilla had become usable (0.6 or so). You move the old dir out of the way, untar either directly into the location you want or someplace else and mv in. Start it and if all goes well remove the old. -Slightly- more combersome than apt-get install blah but it's fairly simple and it works. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: sha1summ of complete directory?
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 07:30:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: How would one go about computing a *single* hash value for a complete directory tree? hash everything and then hash the result? (if you don't care about metadata that is - if you do add a nice stat of everything into the final hash) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Etch (7.4) - Lenny (8.3) PostgreSQL upgrade issues
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:51:17AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: So, what do I need to do to recover from this? Not had this problem myself but at a guess... put a deb-src line for etch in your sources.list file, then apt-get -b source postgresql-server-7.4 Install all the needed things, then once it's compiled, make a backup of your db, install the resulting debs and follow the procedure you initially tried to follow. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: date - if - bash
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 04:59:39PM +0200, Erik Xavior wrote: why isn't working? :S if [ $(date +%H) 10 ]; then echo later then 10h; else echo before 10h; fi; Because is a string comparison. Do help test in bash or man test -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how can i turn /dev/null into an MTA?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 04:26:57PM +0200, Dirk wrote: Install nullmailer, I'm pretty sure that's what you're looking for. i thought so too.. but it doesn't seem to do what it name implies... it's config kept asking where to redirect the mails too... and /dev/null wasn't an option :( it seems i really have to understand MTA's to live without them... Yeah. :) Check out esmtp-run and, perhaps, pair it with procmail (not 100% sure if it's needed - if you really want it all devnlled then you can just pair it with 'true' at a guess) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: lenny upgraded but some 50 packages not upgraded?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 03:24:29PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: Just done etch - lenny upgrade and wondering why apt-get upgrade won't upgrade the following, when some of them might be nice to have (and synaptic seems to find no reason not to give them to me): Try apt-get dist-upgrade instead. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: top-posting
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 08:32:27AM +0100, karun wrote: Top Posting is an unfortunate side effect, of Microsoft Outlook becoming the standard for non Opensource computer software users. Actually, I'd say it was a side-effect of pine in the unix world and any graphical client everywhere else. I'm not really suprised. There are few editors around that make proper quoting easy. I can only think of vim, really. Anything else I've used, especially graphical editors, make it a pain. Then there are the quoting methods some email clients use, esp those that focus on html. Astoundingly annoying. And THEN we have knobs like those on hotmail. They wont even give you access to the quoted text. They just have it dangling at the end of your email like a poorly processed turd. Meh. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT]I just got a phish call!!!
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:15:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: An automated voice told me that my (non-existant, of course) Jefferson Parish[0] Credit Union Visa card has been blocked. I immediately hung up on it, of course, and am slightly unnerved that they are now calling people at home with personalized scams. Just as email is cheaper then post, so voip is cheaper then landline. This leads to the obvious for those who are without scruples. Hmmm. I have a distinct urge to call this 'phlegm'. ;) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 64-bit Flash Player
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:07:06AM +0530, Girish Kulkarni wrote: You're probably right. But I was expecting at least the lobflashplayer.so (v10) from Adobe's site to work! Adobe didn't compile it with the libs that are avail in etch. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: flashplayer v10
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:03:28AM -0600, gary turner wrote: The only things I found were /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/npwrapper.libflashwrapper.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/npwrapper.libflashwrapper.so Try running ldd on them. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why the BLEEP was my sound removed?
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:12:08PM +0200, Rico Secada wrote: Can someone please explain why the BLEEP support was removed? It was probably removed because the BLEEP is mostlikely non-BLEEP and as such would violate the BLEEP. But that's just a BLEEP. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 答复 : Stunned by aptitude.
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 04:03:04PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Hah!, my mail client is stupid, it responds in kind, so my last message (and this one, too) may have been sent in MIME and HTML as well. Sorry No, no they haven't. :) about this, I will try to fix it, so that it won't happen again. Wish me luck. Good luck! =) -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 06:12:51PM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: However, since my MUA is _not_ sending HTML out of my computer (my BCC copy from my mail server confirms that), my MUA's HTML vs. text settings and my use of them are not the problem. I suspect that a mail server or gateway between here and there is reformatting my message. From the HTML in your message: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=Windows-1252 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7652.24 TITLERe: ??: Stunned by aptitude./TITLE Tee-hee. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to add a mount point in fstab?
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 12:55:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Changing topic: what ensures that the kernel will always see that device as sda, instead of sdb? udev afaik. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 答复 : Stunned by aptitude.
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:06:56AM +, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:01 +0800, Magicloud wrote: I don't think so. Obviously, if the network is broken, it absolutely does not mean that there is NO packages, just aptitude can not know. That's by far the most round logic I've heard tonight. If it can't reach the repository to know about the packages, how in the world do you expect aptitude to know about the packages? If it knew about packages for that repository in the past but failed to contact the repository now it should not assume that it's ok to wipe out the package list. I believe that would be the point the original poster was getting at. If aptitude is really doing that then it is in the wrong. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 答复 : Stunned by aptitude.
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:41:09AM +, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:19 +1000, CaT wrote: I believe that would be the point the original poster was getting at. If aptitude is really doing that then it is in the wrong. I understood it, but given that this is how apt has always worked and is documented to work, why change it now? Apparently, there's a flag you apt is not aptitude. I've not seen this in apt and I just tested it by firewalling a mirror off and running apt-get update. The lists files are still there. I ran apt-get clean and they are still there. I ran apt-get autoclean too, just to be sure. Files remained. If aptitude behaves differently then it is broken. can set the flag mentioned upthread if it's a bother for you. I believe said flag controls wether or not apt automatically removes the lists files for repositories that are not actually in your sources.list file anymore. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stunned by aptitude.
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:22:59AM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: Still there should be an option to turn this behavior off, since it is very annoying for people with low bandwith and frequent network problems. In apt-get you can set APT::Get::List-Cleanup=false to avoid erasing the list files if the update failed, but aptitude does not have such an option, AFAIK. I don't think this really applies here. Least not to apt from my reading of this: --list-cleanup This option defaults to on, use --no-list-cleanup to turn it off. When on apt-get will automatically manage the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists to ensure that obsolete files are erased. The only reason to turn it off is if you frequently change your source list. Configuration Item: APT::Get::List-Cleanup. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64bit vs i386
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 01:14:38AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: You may also not be able to access all your RAM, Sure, on the 80486 or early Pentia. But everything since then has PAE. With a performance hit. :) You conveniently snipped the part where I agreed with the RAM performance hit. Do not credit conspiracy that which can be easily explained by clarification. -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64bit vs i386
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:31:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/13/08 22:15, Todd A. Jacobs wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 09:45:48AM -0700, Abraham Chaffin wrote: wondering if it makes a difference if I install the 64bit version of the debian vs the i386 version of debian? If it's just running apache, You will pay a performance penalty if you run 32-bit on a 64-bit system. How so? (That's the polite way of saying, You're wrong.) Less registers for one - more expensive accessess of variables and other data. How much of a hit that makes depends on the s/w run but I'd say it's a safe bet that most if not all things will go a tad faster. You may also not be able to access all your RAM, Sure, on the 80486 or early Pentia. But everything since then has PAE. With a performance hit. :) -- Police noticed some rustling sounds from Linn's bottom area and on closer inspection a roll of cash was found protruding from Linn's anus, the full amount of cash taken in the robbery. - http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/robber-hides-loot-up-his-booty/2008/05/09/1210131248617.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Kind of OT] Why's this look like gibberish to me?
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 09:08:57AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת I am running mutt with mlterm (multilingual terminal) and it doesn't show correctly. I experimented with xfce4-terminal and fonts and I can tell it's not the font (I use Terminus). Does anybody know how to make mlterm display everything right? Tru rxvt-unicode (there are 3 flavours in debian and I compile my own so I can't tell you which one to try). It's what I use (infact for me it's mutt in screen over ssh in urxvt :) and the above looks like what may well be Hebrew. The other thing you may wish to make sure of is that you are using a UTF-8 locale. For me that's en_AU.UTF-8. If you don't you'll probably see a lot of question marks (I know I do). cat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:16:56PM +1100, Owen Townend wrote: a distro debate. I have used something similar as such with a gentoo mate. So how did mating Gentoo go for you? cat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian is losing its users
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 09:28:12PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: The search volume for Debian has been continuously decreasing in the recent years, as shown in the search trend statistics of one of the most famous search engines. This indicates that Debian is losing its users, e.g. about 50% in the last 3 years. Link to this statistics? Oh. Sorry. This page: http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian *looks outside* It's dark! This can only mean the sky has fallen! Eep! cat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Merging all 30+ Debian CD's onto hard drive
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 02:02:10PM -0700, Michael Paulsen wrote: On 3/20/08, Jeff D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Paulsen wrote: Hi ya, Debian Etch now has over 30 CD's. I'm bored with CD swapping every time I want to install a new package. Is it possible to merge the CD's to my hard drive and direct APT or DPKG to use the hard drive instead of all the CD's when installing new packages? What would the be the easiest way to do this? Is there a reason that you are not using net accessible repositories? Actually, there is. I forgot to mention that due to my rural home I'm subjected to an extremely slow dial-up internet connection. We're talking less than 33k most of the time, and quite often as low at 24k. I know, I'm back in the 80's time frame with connections like that. :) I've been in a similar situation. If you have multiple computers, apt-proxy or squid may help. If just one then you might just want to download overnight, or set it to do so before you go to work or other fun stuff (and set apt-get to download only). For really common stuff you might just want to grab the first dvd too. Sure it's not the instant access the monkey within craves but it works and I always found it not to be that much of a hassle. Generally you don't download KDE or GNOME every other day. It's just a once off and then security updates or the odd other small thing. cat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID suggestions?
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 03:56:00PM -0400, Michael S. Peek wrote: But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why? I only use hardware raid where a battery-backed-up ram cache is available and the performance enhancement in confers is required (ie the mail storage for a mail server, a file server that sees a /lot/ of writes, etc). This is about the only time I would give up the flexibility of linux s/w raid. If you are doing only occasional writes and alot of reads then good controllers+sw raid+a buttload of ram will do you IMO. You get the joyous flexibility of mdadm for managing your raid array and the system ram acts as your fs cache for your many reads. You should also be careful with hw raid. The cheap stuff may well be worse then going sw. One server model that I use I turn off the hw raid on it because after a bit of testing it showed that sw raid was winning out in terms of performance. As for reliability of sw raid, I've been using it on 30 servers for 3 years without a hitch. It's handled disk failures just fine (and in one case the crashing of a mb northbridge locking up the pc - array recovered without problems). The other part of this is that you are not locked into a single vendor (or even model) for your array. If your raid card dies (it happens) it may well mean a complete rebuild unless you can find another like it. With software raid you can mix and match controllers, hd types and even network hds and it'll just deal. Hope this helps. :) cat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use ``nice'' on a pipe?
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 08:35:28PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: if [[ $1 != run-script-nicely ]] then nice -n19 $BASEDIR/$(basename $0) run-script-nicely exit 0 fi echo 'original script here...' But later I found it too strange for me, so I changed to what you have :) mentioned... Thank you :) A better way to do the above, if you must, would be to use renice on $$. -- CaT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use ``nice'' on a pipe?
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:34:48PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote:
a low priority. How can I make both command1 and command2 on the pipe
running in the low priority? Thank you.
=
#!/bin/sh
runprogram () {
nice -n19 ionice -c2 -n7 $@
}
runprogram command1 | command2
This is one of those, once you see it it'll be the most bleedingly
obvious things I think. :)
runprogram command1 | runprogram command2
:)
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Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:04:11PM +0100, s. keeling wrote: right (to your tastes)? Why spin off instead into this silly I'm right and everyone else is evil! diatribe? It's hard to stop breathing. ;) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Partly solved)Re: why does the shell show commands foolishly when I press UP key?
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 05:43:21AM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote: Are you kidding? I think you meant: Wow. Thanks. That does exactly what I need. Or similar. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatically loading iptables
On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 08:21:30AM -0400, Peter Smerdon wrote: Hello everyone. What is the preferred method of starting an iptables script at boot time on Debian hosts? I have come across two common ways, one with a pre-up command that calls the script from /etc/network/interfaces and the other From dumping the script in one of the /etc/rc*/ directories. I am wondering what the `debian way' to do this is. I prefer a manual interface entry in the interfaces file. Then you can ifup and ifdown it independently of your 'real' interfaces and you can still make it automatically up at startup. See 'man interfaces' and the manual method for more info. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mounting an ext2 filesystem at mount point with specific uid, gid
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:15:49PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drwxr-xr-x 2 storage storage 4096 2007-09-19 17:42 store Which is of course empty. After the mount, which is successfull, the command ls -al /home/storage yields: drwxrwsr-x 10505505 4096 2007-09-21 16:03 store It seems that system assigns the directory hierarchy under 'store' to an unknown user/groupid, for security purposes I suppose. But I want it to assign it to user 'storage' group 'storage' Who owns what is stored on the filesystem itself as user ids and group ids (numbers). The /etc/passwd and /etc/group files are, amongst other things, maps between user and group names and user and group ids. The reason you're just seeing numbers is because there are no passwd or group entries to map them into names. How can I do that? You can't with a mount option. You'd need to chown them to the user and/or group you want. This would modify the filesystem though. Alternatively you can use adduser and addgroup to create users and groups that map to those ids. Complications will arise if you already have such mappings in some form. Although it seems a very basic administrative task, I haven't found a way to do it. Mount options for what you're thinking of exist for some filesystems because they have no concept of ownerships themselves. ext2 does and so such options do not exist. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: big brother yahoo
On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 04:47:52PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: So it looks as though they are objecting to Linux per se, rather than to the browser. I'm not sure what url you accessed as you did nto state but watching a video off video.yahoo.com.au wfm using Seamonkey under Debian. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why this crontab does not work?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:13:42PM +0800, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: Dear all, I have a crontab like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # crontab -l # m h dom mon dow command * 0,12* * * root/root/update.sh If this is in roots personal crontab then you don't need to tell cron to run the script as root. It already knows. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RTF - proprietary or open?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 02:31:09PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: SQL in the early 1970s. It just didn't become an ISO standard until 1987. Follow the link I gave you. I replied to your message AS WRITTEN. If you don't mean to imply that MicroSoft doesn't predate 1987, then you shouldn't make a statement like that. He never implied it. He stated IBM created SQL before MS existed. He also stated that it has been an ISO standard since 1987. It becoming an ISO standard in 1987 does not mean that it was created in 1987. If you knew that SQL was created in the 60s or 70s, then you don't need to learn history, you need to learn English. To quote the original: Whatever gave you that idea? IBM created SQL before Microsoft existed! Pretty clear statement there. It has been an ISO standard since 1987. Also a clear, seperate statement. It may have ben clearer to say 'It also has been' but what was written in no way equates it being made a standard with it being created, especially when taken taken with a grain of historical knowledge wrt Microsoft. In any case the difference isn't something worth going off the deep end over. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wajig (was: Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-))
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:10:15AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: I gave up on aptitude long ago because it kept trying, and sometimes succeeding, to remove lots of things it shouldn't. I now use apt-get via wajig, which seems to be one of the best-kept Linux secrets. Interesting. I'll try to remember to use it just to see what it's like, thoguh I've found one thing about it that I don't. No command should ever spit out usage information, except a single line on how to find usage on an error. :/ -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as required? Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of trying to use it during my upgrade to sarge. It completely refused to, getting lost in a mess of its own design (or so it seemed). apt-get just did as it was told and no more and it all went smoothly. On my main box, I currently have no print spooler. However, there is a driver in the gs-esp package that will print postscript on my dot-matrix printer. That gs does require libcupsys2 and libcupsimage2; between the two that's 565k uncompressed size. Nothing else that I have installed requires anything related to cups. There's also the gs-gpl package which does not. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 09:05:59AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:50:58PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as required? Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of trying to use it during my upgrade to sarge. It completely refused to, getting lost in a mess of its own design (or so it seemed). apt-get just did as it was told and no more and it all went smoothly. Probably the absolutely worst time to try to switch to aptitude. It Well it was recommended as the thing to use in the install/upgrade docs so I thought I'd give it a whirl. didn't know what was manually installed, installed to meet dependancies, or what. Aptitude starts out confused (like HAL, it can only sing Daisy Daisy). Yeah but at the minimum it should know what is installed and what it needs to be upgraded to. At the minimum it should function no better (or worse) then apt-get if it is to be a replacement for it. On my main box, I currently have no print spooler. However, there is a driver in the gs-esp package that will print postscript on my dot-matrix printer. That gs does require libcupsys2 and libcupsimage2; between the two that's 565k uncompressed size. Nothing else that I have installed requires anything related to cups. There's also the gs-gpl package which does not. Doesn't include the ML-whatever OkiData driver for my IBM Personal Computer Graphics Printer (the one pictured with the 'New' IBM PC in history books). Ah. Bit of a bummer that but considering that it's made by the same folks as cups (check out its homepage) it's unsuprising that they would make use of their own code if they felt the need to. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: s. keeling wrote: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui ... The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: lprng ... ... toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui Thank you. At least someone figured out that there was a reason why one might want to try apt-get instead. Aptitude, imo, tries too hard to err on the side of the completely clueless user. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote: This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be no web browser it could be configured with? Or can you confure CUPS with w3m? :-P You can configure CUPS not just with w3m but also with vim. :) aptitude -R install foomatic-filters-ppds And what does apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds get you? The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: ... Considering all the confusion and myriad pleas from people trying to get CUPS working on their systems, should we really be going down this road? CUPS has made a mess of printer configuration. It has? WFM. First go too. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:29:49AM +, s. keeling wrote: aptitude -R install foomatic-filters-ppds And what does apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds get you? --- (0) heretic /home/keeling_ dpkg -L foomatic-filters-ppds | wc -l 2696 That doesn't answer my question when taken in the context of your original statement. So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all gzipped ... Lets see... it has printer ppds and a bit of documentation. Precisely what you asked it to install. Sure, they could split it up to 2700 packages but I think the maintainer felt it was more manageable this way. The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: ... Considering all the confusion and myriad pleas from people trying to get CUPS working on their systems, should we really be going down this road? CUPS has made a mess of printer configuration. It has? WFM. First go too. Good for you, I'm glad for you; and irrelevant. Yes, CUPS works. What if you don't want to use CUPS? Have you not seen all the posts Then don't use it. from noobs pleading for help with CUPS configs? I'm supporting a person who's using CUPS. Going to the CUPS localhost:631 port gets us a username password prompt, and even root password is refused (*buntu). Ubuntus configuration of CUPS is prettymuch irrelevant on a debian mailing list. Debians configuration of CUPS and its web based configuration allows me to use the root password to configure and manage it. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Objective data instead of subjective wooliness (was Re: Slow web browsing redux)
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 12:56:33AM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: Try http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp That is a great benchmark page for any browser. That took 10 seconds from the moment it got over its data gathering hump (ie the download). Using SeaMonkey 1.1.2 under Linux here. Still on sarge atm. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade of kernel fails due to lack of space
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 12:19:34AM +0800, Uwe Heinz Rudi Dippel wrote: I know, you can always scold me for not enough space. But this is an old box with a small hard disk: df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 133M 93M 33M 74% / ... /dev/hda6 89M 4.1M 80M 5% /tmp /dev/hda101.4G 1.1G 185M 86% /home ... With too little space (in '/', '/lib', I guess): * boot up with your install cd and hit rescue mode. netinstall one will do if you need to d/l * backup / to /home * hit your hd with fdisk - note down all the start, size details of your partitions - nuke partitions 6+ - recreate all your partitions BUT recreate partition 6 starting at the beginning of the old partition 6 and ending at the end of partition 7. (effectively you're merging / and /tmp) - double check everything - check it again - get some cookies and milk and write out your new partition structure - reformat partition 6 only - mount it and /home (now hda9) and copy your old root over - edit /etc/fstab on your new root and change the partition numbers accordingly - add /tmp as a tmpfs partition - reboot. nervously munch on cookies and scoff down the milk. * rejoice alternatively uninstall your old kernel before installing the new one. or just roll your own. you'll get a kernel that's 2-3meg in size, lives in /boot and doesn't fsck up your nice, small, tidy root partition. I use option 3 there. It's a fun way to learn and I like the lack of complexity a monolithic kernel provides. it should be noted that this advice comes with no warranty and with the warning that, more then likely, something will fsck up and you will not rejoice but, instead, weep bitter tears of dispair. This, in turn, will lead to soggy cookies and diluted milk. Horrid horrid stuff. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: securing desktop
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 01:38:51AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a big deal, but undoing her mucking of the desktop is something I'd rather not have to waste time with. What if you have the login script recreate /home/guest each time? Indeed, though I'd rsync on logout from someplace else. This'll wipe everything out and restore it to a pre-determined state. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 03:12:51PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007, Joey Hess wrote: There exists a gentoo-user mailing list. If a post to debian-user would be exactly as on-topic if posted to gentoo-user, then it is offtopic on *both* lists, and belongs on neither. Not true. For example, I'm having trouble with Firefox crashing. It could be packing, it could be the program, it could be a known bug. (I haven't looked it up yet.) If I can eliminate it being a bug in the code and have done my homework with Google, it would be on topic to ask about it here, since it is an issue with a Debian package and I may need to narrow it down. Asking here could help a great deal with that. Asking about issues with Debian packages would be offtopic for a Gentoo mailing list. :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:05:10PM -0500, Gnu_Raiz wrote: I personally think that everyone has a right to post, and who am I to tell someone else not to exercise their right to freedom of speech. I You know... we should just merge every mailing list on the net into one list and see just how well that line of thinking works out. Contextual restrictions are not the devil. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
same problem
Hi guys, funny but i am experiencing the same problem with my fujitsu-siemens pc. I can only open few sites: www.google.com, www.ya.ru. I've tried all advices listed above and it aint help:( I wonder where else i can have a look for the answer... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disabling Write-Caching
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:43:54AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 15:39 +1000, CaT wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:28:38AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: DB monkies generally like turning it off as it has proven to cause data loss in certain corner cases. Good DB monkies tend to be very paranoid of their data. Do these DB monkies also force multi-million dollar system with 32GB caching controllers (with battery backup for the RAM) to turn off the cache? Those tend to have HDs which properly report the status of the data (ie when theys ay 'data is on the platter' the data actually /is/ in the platter. No foolin'. I've seen it, forcing the $COMPANY to invest in even larger machines, with diminishing results. Turn cache back on, it is like a whole nuther 20 processors added. We are talking Multi-vpath stuff here. That depends on wether the gains made by turning the cache on outweigh the potential disadvantages of turning the cache on. A good DB monkey will provide said company with a risk analysis and get them to sign off on one or the other. Good DBMonkies also force the DB software to do a sync'd write through to the drives or logical drive in any case. Blah, no tthe place to discuss this vitriol. sync writes don't mean much when the HD lies. Screwy. And if they are using PATA drives on critical data, stupid. Unless they are behind a SAN or something similar... which is going to have huge caching involved caching. It all depends on the needs of the people involved and the size of their budget. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disabling Write-Caching
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:28:38AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: caching is still okay to use. Why else would manufacturers put cache ON-BOARD the hard-drives if it was BAD... do you think they LIKE SPENDING MONEY on things that won't be used? They would rather just not include it and save more money. To improve benchmark performance and have ever increasing numbers describing the porduct available so as to increase sales. Coincidentally it does also have a positive effect on percieved HD performance. DB monkies generally like turning it off as it has proven to cause data loss in certain corner cases. Good DB monkies tend to be very paranoid of their data. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing a HD
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:07:35AM +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote: My system boots from hda3 using grub. hda1 and hda5 are swap partitions. Whats the best way to get an exact copy of my two Linux systems onto the new drive? Put the new drive into your PC and use dd to copy the whole 30GB disk to the new one. You can resize partitions afterwards using fdisk or parted. Bah. This isn't windows. Just partition the new hd however you like. Mount the new root partition in a nice location (like /mnt) and then mount the rest on top of that and then rsync from one hd to the other excluding /mnt, /tmp, /sys, /dev/pts and /proc. udev may complicate things with /dev so you may need to temporarily umount that before rsyncing. It sounds complicate but it really isn't. It's the way I've done it (including across the network) and it's not failed me yet. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pronunciation of common Linux-related words
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 08:34:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/02/07 03:19, Dave Ewart wrote: On Sunday, 01.04.2007 at 16:12 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Most people I know pronounce this post-gress (dropping/ignoring the 'SQL' part at the end). And that's wrong. Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being wrong, when there's a subjective way of pronouncing words! You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's *not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL. Ron, you don't get it do you? The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common Unix/Linux words. PostgreSQL *is* pronounced post-gress-ceu-ell as you keep insisting (and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that many, many, many people call is post-gress, which is an widely-used accepted abbreviation. Accepted by people who don't know better. Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it correctly. From the PostgreSQL FAQ: General Questions 1.1) What is PostgreSQL? How is it pronounced? PostgreSQL is pronounced Post-Gres-Q-L, and is also sometimes referred to as just Postgres. An audio file is available in MP3 format for those would like to hear the pronunciation. ... - http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.1 It would appear to me that the very people in charge of PostgreSQL are far less anal and insulting about it then you are. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:10:08PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: You know that Etch is about to release. This means that new features and software will not get into it any more. So what is a better choice now, to stick to Etch or to switch to the next testing? I am not sure which is more important for desktop users, stability or new features. Use etch until such time that etch no longer does what you need it to. Then, if you feel it's worth it, switch to lenny (the next testing I believe). It may be that backports or something similar would do you. I think there might be some people with similar problem/experience with me. What is your plan/suggestion? Thank you. I plan on doing the above. That said I'm still on sarge and don't really lack for anything except for the odd thing like mplayer etc which I grab from sources outside of debian anyway (like www.debian-multimedia.org). -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 06:49:35PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: quality), and I tried again. Then with a better recharger. I eventually gave up and put the batteries away. One year later, I looked at the batteries and realized why they did not work. They were Sony batteries. Of course they couldn't make a standard battery and actually compete on price/quality. So the battery voltage was 1.2v, even though the battery looked exactly like a standard AA battery. W. T. F. All* rechargable AA batteries are 1.2v whilst normal AA batteries are 1.5v. Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:13:44AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:38:04PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:19:39AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: The sensible way to handle hardware support independent of any installed software would be to ship each pc with a bootable CD with custom Dell test software. Linux would make a convenient base for such a CD. This is something I have mentioned in other places: bios updates, hardware testing and other issues. You need a linux-based or similar test cd so that if have a hardware issue or need a bios update that the tech support folks stop saying 'but you need to use windows for us to diagnose the problem before we can authorizes this' or similar. FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. As I mentioned, I found a cd for servers for management but nothing about diagnostics. Do you have a url or more info so that I google better? No, sorry. I've just got the actual CDs that I've poked around. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:11:06AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: tech support folks stop saying 'but you need to use windows for us to diagnose the problem before we can authorizes this' or similar. FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. I found this: http://linux.dell.com/monitoring.shtml which points to info about the include omsa -- open manage server administrator for linux-- which is on a cd included with a server. and further down it mentions about a user made centos live cd with this omsa. This is great new for server customers. although what do laptop users do when dell level 1 support asks about using windows to help them with your problems. That day is when 'desktop linux' will arrive. If I were them? 'Please insert the diagnostics CD that came with your laptop/computer.' and take it from there. Unless you get software support with your pc/laptop and that's something they seem to offer seperately. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:19:39AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: The sensible way to handle hardware support independent of any installed software would be to ship each pc with a bootable CD with custom Dell test software. Linux would make a convenient base for such a CD. This is something I have mentioned in other places: bios updates, hardware testing and other issues. You need a linux-based or similar test cd so that if have a hardware issue or need a bios update that the tech support folks stop saying 'but you need to use windows for us to diagnose the problem before we can authorizes this' or similar. FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:38:04PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:19:39AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: The sensible way to handle hardware support independent of any installed software would be to ship each pc with a bootable CD with custom Dell test software. Linux would make a convenient base for such a CD. This is something I have mentioned in other places: bios updates, hardware testing and other issues. You need a linux-based or similar test cd so that if have a hardware issue or need a bios update that the tech support folks stop saying 'but you need to use windows for us to diagnose the problem before we can authorizes this' or similar. FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. Whee. I love it when I remember more useful bits. There's also a dell interface to updating the BIOS in the stock linux 2.6 kernel amongst other tidbits. One might get the feeling that Dell have been working on this for a wee while. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deleting content of /tmp
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 11:25:08PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: tmpfile() Return a new file object opened in update mode (w+b). The file has no directory entries associated with it and will be automatically deleted once there are no file descriptors for the file. Availability: Macintosh, Unix, Windows. What I meant was os.tempnam(). Which the documentation indicates is vulnerable to symlink attacks. Not being able to exclusively lock a file is a definite weakness. Christ, no. It makes backups a buttload more complicated then they otherwise need be. I absolutely loathe backing up windows files beacuse of what mostlikely is a similar attitude. That's bad design. All in all I think you're making a mountain out of flat grass-plains here. There is nothing inherently faulty, false or wrong in what the zebra do there. For one, it makes sure that it is truly temporary. If the app exits in some bizare way then no harm done. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deleting content of /tmp
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 10:56:42AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: All in all I think you're making a mountain out of flat grass-plains here. There is nothing inherently faulty, false or wrong in what the zebra do there. For one, it makes sure that it is truly temporary. If the app exits in some bizare way then no harm done. There are simple ways around that. Yes. Delete the file and be done with it. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deleting content of /tmp
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 08:38:54PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: However, realize that some programs create a file /tmp and then promptly unlink it, thus causing the file to take up space even though it does not have a directory entry. How's that? UNIX does not deallocate disk space until all opens are closed. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sad...
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:54:31PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: As you can see, the formatting is right and the readability is, as a result, also there. In short, it seems your mail client does plain-text printed-quotable encoding really, really, really badly. Well, it's funny that Icedove does it ONLY on messages replied to by you. It NEVER does this on any messages from other users of the list or from any other email I have ever received. So, I guess that leads me to the only logical conclusion I can come to, and this is that your end has nothing to do with the situation and it must be my lousy email client. Oops. Sorry, CaT. I meant to post that last message to Ben, not you. Hehe. No worries and it's not your client. Mine displays it as per the quoted printable encoding also, which is broken, as I have the html component of email de-prioratised. The HTML side displays well because the HTML code required to display it well is present. The plain text quoted printable component is broken because the quoted printable encoding is broken. Bens client is the only one that can manage that to his emails... -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sad...
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:00:22AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Let me show you what your message looks like on a plain text client (for example). Your paragraphs are single lines, but that's not much of a problem in the end. What is more of a problem is that your mail client does not understand what ' ' means and when you reply to a message it grabs the whole quoted paragraph and attempts to re-flow it. This, well, leads to the stuff above (for eg: Whycan't you get it? kinda hard to find). He (or the webmail he uses) probably uses JavaMail. That's the only time I've ever seen this happen. I've seen it from google mail a while back also. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sad...
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 09:56:51PM +0100, Ben Humpert wrote: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:44:46 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Humpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to use the Etch installer...if I could ever get it. Iused the etch installer last night and it worked flawlessly. Whycan't you get it? kinda hard to find :) the webmaster of debian.org should add three tiny links: a) get stable (sarge) here, b) get testing (etch) here, c) get unstable (sid) here. each link directs to the first page of get debian for each version ... very simple but perhaps to difficult for them...dunno Testing and unstable shouldn't be easy to find because they are not meant for everyone to use. If you are advanced enough to use them you will find them ;) Well, then the debian guys should fix this decades old sarge installer - OR - merge it with the etch installer; it just takes some hours to do this. sata is already established enough to support it. its a shame to direct users to testing only to get sata support and to tell that it should be hidden from beginners. Regards, Andrei P.S. Does msn have a config option to not remove line breaks? (In Outlook it's called: Remove extra line breaks in text messages). It makes your replies very difficult to read. Its not MSN/Outlook which kills the whole layout, its your client which cant interpret the mailings correctly. if i check my outbox the mail looks like it should (with line-breaks) and you guys are the first with this problem, i guess its debilian ... errr debian, sorry :) Let me show you what your message looks like on a plain text client (for example). Your paragraphs are single lines, but that's not much of a problem in the end. What is more of a problem is that your mail client does not understand what ' ' means and when you reply to a message it grabs the whole quoted paragraph and attempts to re-flow it. This, well, leads to the stuff above (for eg: Whycan't you get it? kinda hard to find). The first message you replied to looks abit like this in the nude: --- 8 --- --_4792e25c-9c22-421e-8bcd-c52bba2afb85_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en.de Freddy Freeloader wrote: shut ur mouth. Ummm I do= have a question though. Just who, and where, are you referring to when = you say, send us the message? Sorry for jumping in. I guess it's the o= ne with the 'shut ur mouth'. I can't find it in the thread. Johannes=20 exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't s= ee his message.= --- 8 --- There's only one =20 and that's just before your reply. Everything else is merged into the one line. The HTML component of your message, on the other hand, looks like (more or less, I've trimmed useless stuff) like this: --- 8 --- --_9bdc530d-e39f-41de-914c-f5282dc57603_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... bodygt; Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100BRgt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ik.blm.tu-muenchen.deBRgt; BRgt; Freddy Freeloader wrote:BRgt; BR= gt; gt;gt;gt;gt; shut ur mouth.BRgt; BRgt; gt; Ummm I do h= ave a question though. Just who, and where, are youBRgt; gt; referring = to when you say, send us the message?BRgt; BRgt; Sorry for jumping = in. I guess it's the one with the 'shut ur mouth'. IBRgt; can't find it = in the thread.BRgt; BRgt; JohannesBRgt; BRBR exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't s= ee his message.BR/body /html= --- 8 --- Here the newlines are encoded with brs and so anyone who views the html component by itself will see the message as: --- 8 --- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freddy Freeloader wrote: shut ur mouth. Ummm I do have a question though. Just who, and where, are you referring to when you say, send us the message? Sorry for jumping in. I guess it's the one with the 'shut ur mouth'. I can't find it in the thread. Johannes exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't see his message. --- 8 --- As you can see, the formatting is right and the readability is, as a result, also there. In short, it seems your mail client does plain-text printed-quotable encoding really, really, really badly. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache dying weekly
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:23:59PM -0800, Todd A. Jacobs wrote: I'm running 1.3.33-6sarge3, and have been noticing that apache is not restarting when the logs are rotated every week. The logrotate script doesn't seem to be directly at fault, but I can't understand why it's not restarting. The only thing I can find in the logs is in apache's error.log.1: [Sun Nov 26 06:25:51 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down but no explanation about why it isn't coming back up. Ideas? Solutions? Try editing the logrotate file to do: /etc/init.d/apache stop; killall -9 apache; /etc/init.d/apache start I'e found that on occasion apache just doesn't do a good job of filicide and children are left running around, naked and carefree. This either happens not at all, often or rarely. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc-4.1
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 12:58:49AM -0400, H.S. wrote: Others have given you good replies. I would add that do not name your output file (the executable) as test. A test command already exists in Linux. I don't believe it matters much. Only the crazy and the inept have . in their $PATH and it's not in there by default. If he has put it in there then well, it's a good way to learn I guess. :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 11:04:36PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday 07 September 2006 18:51, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: qmail has the least Debian support, due to uninteresting licensing issues, but has a large user community and excellent documentation (www.lifewithqmail.org, qmail.org). It runs nicely on Debian systems, and is unlikely to require upgrading. Sorry, no. On anything bigger than your personal mail server, Qmail is going to require replacing with a modern MTA. There's a reason to not like it other than just djb-damage? Yeah. Qmails logging is horrendous. There is no link between logs of connections and the source and destination of an email. This makes tracking an IP of a single hit to many destinations a right rotten pain in the arse if not impossible. Its internal message ids are recycled so if you have one and wish to see the log entries for it you're mostlikely going to be SOL. TAI - because we all need more impediments to quickly dealing with logs. Its queue management sucks bottom. If I want to clear out a queue of spam I effectively have to shut the service down, keep it down whilst deleting and bring it back up. Expiring message is a possibility but that just generates bounces and so you have to fsck around again to deal with those. Then there's the fun that happens when qmail-smtp accepts the message but qmail-send is not able to deal with it. A nice one for the unsuspecting sucker that is left to wonder why their messages are being accepted but not delivered whilst nothing but connections to qmail are being logged. Qmail is a dirty, rotten little whore. It was designed to accept everything because some poor unsuspecting sucker really needs to know that a message they never sent did not make it to the mailbox of someone they never heard of because it is full (or just not there). There's more. I know there's more but I think my mind is blanking it out and protecting me from it incase I pick up something sharp and pointy. It's the weekend. I've got other days of the week for pain. On a quiet system most of this you can get around or it wont affect you THAT badly. On a busy system you get the joy of pain, or changing so much of qmail into something else that you wind up with something that looks like qmail but no longer is. All in all though, just say no. Save yourself pain and choose Exim, Sendmail or Postfix. Oh and I love how the qmail-pop3 client logs where a connection came from but not what account it attempted to access or any other useful info. Wooo! Go BAYBE. Ye HAW! Ahm. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beta-3 Etch install avoiding commandline?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: Unless the ncurses installer is *deficient* in some manner, the mere GUI-ness of the other installer does not enhance the installation in any way. They both do exactly the same job in exactly the same way. If they don't, then one or the other is broken. Someday there'll actually be a non-religious answer to this question. People feel comfortable with things that look like the things they think they feel comfortable with. :) Plus TUI interfaces are /so/ MS-DOS. We live in a Windows world now! :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian unstable, stable enough?
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 01:20:35PM +0200, Jordi Carrillo wrote: I'm using Debian testing and I was thinking about switching to unstable. Is Debian unstable, stable enough for a Desktop system? Are there broken dependencies in unstable? There might not be today but there may be tomorrow. I think there's an attempt to keep it usable but, well, it IS unstable... -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 07:00:09PM -0600, edwardsa wrote: He should get a clue, and you should get a life! If you look at this list over time, you will find a rich history of OT threads. They can be cathartic, offering another kind of support-- relief from boredom and a place to run your mouth-- for debain users. If you need relief from downloading (a need I find difficult to take very seriously) you could simply read the archive on the debian site. Hmmm. An attack from the US Air Force in a thread started by an Osama Bin Laden related post. Well I'm amused. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:15:06AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Sunday 20 August 2006 23:43, Ron Johnson wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 20 August 2006 18:47, Hal Vaughan wrote: I heard the purpose of the law was to create jobs. Nope. By order of the Department of Environmental Quality because spilled gas causes air and water pollution, and by order State Fire Marshall because it's also a fire hazard. If Oregon needed more dead-end minimum-wage jobs, Oregon I just don't hear of very many gas stations blowing up. Anyone else? (/First Blood/ doesn't count.) Didn't one or two blow up in the Terminator movies? Or how about the gas truck in Thelma and Louise? It's not a question of how normal people see real life but rather how insurers do. :) Anyway, ummm... Are there any movies where petrol stations have blown up that were created with the aid of Debian? :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer error: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 12:27:30PM +0100, Robert Hulme wrote: If I do 'chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc' I get: chroot: cannot execute mount: No such file or directory If I just 'mount' it lists the mounts ok. If I /target/mount it also lists the mounts ok. 'chroot /target' results in: chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory Yet /bin/sh works as does /target/bin/sh ! Sounds like glibc failed to install properly on your new setup. See if you get something meaningful for: $ ls -la /target/lib/ld-* and if this works: $ /target/lib/ld-whatever your version is.so -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer error: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:20:27PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 12:27:30PM +0100, Robert Hulme wrote: If I do 'chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc' I get: chroot: cannot execute mount: No such file or directory If I just 'mount' it lists the mounts ok. If I /target/mount it also lists the mounts ok. 'chroot /target' results in: chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory Yet /bin/sh works as does /target/bin/sh ! Sounds like glibc failed to install properly on your new setup. See if you get something meaningful for: $ ls -la /target/lib/ld-* and if this works: $ /target/lib/ld-whatever your version is.so Just remembered; make sure that there's a symlink and a real file in there and that both work. How to get out of this if this is it, I'm not sure. I wouldn't trust the install even if I could make executables execute. At best I'd say install the unofficial amd64 sarge and dist-upgrade your way up if you really do need etch. Oh and file a bug with the installer team. :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
