Re: Quoting styles, cont (Was Re: Fonts in GTK)
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 03:10:27PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 01:53:24PM -0600, John Galt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In case nobody told you, this is a mailinglist, not usenet. Wrong, it's both: news:muc.lists.debian.user To be more precise, this is a reliable method of ensuring that anything you reply to has already been read, thus you shouldn't need to scroll through the question all of the time to get to the answer. snip I agree, but have found that more or less unconsciously I follow the practise of the previous respondant... While we are on this subject of mailing list etiquette may I make another plea...if people insist on using attachments please make sure that they are of type text and NOT HTML. In fact if at all possible avoid attachments. And the SUBJECT field, the text HELP!!! is not a subject, unless you are failling out of a window and want someone to catch you. I make extensive use of mail filters to sort my mail based on subject, as I sure others do and with many hundreds of messages a day you have to skip some of them. Mailers will get more response I think if they follow a few simple rules. I also subscribe to freebsd mailing lists and there from time to time an advice on mailing is posted. It is sound sensible stuff. Maybe we need such a thing here ? Regards Cliff ps. Keep it polite !
Re: shell script for bash [timeboy@Calculusterix]
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 06:09:05PM +0200, Timeboy wrote: Hi! I like to write a litte shell script that first makes a connection to my ISP and then runs fetchmail. This is no problem for me. But cause it takes some seconds till the connection to ISP is done, the script needs to wait for 5 or 10 seconds bevore it runs fetchmail. How can i do this waiting with a bash kommand? Timo sleep n where n = number of seconds to sleep Cliff
Re: Quoting styles, cont (Was Re: Fonts in GTK)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:52:27AM -0500, ktb wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:48:22AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Bud Rogers wrote: Except that in this case we're not talking about a practice that was not previously common or even not so common. We're talking about a practice that was virtually unknown until Microsoft flooded the market with badly broken mail and news clients that make it very difficult to properly quote or attribute anything. True. In this situation, I wouldn't use the word deprecated. I would just say that putting one's reply above the original message makes one look like an idiot. I like that...lol. I remember when I first started using linux I posted to some list, probably this one. I wanted to know how to set Netscape mail to default, like outlook, to appending my text to the top of the message. You can imagine what response I got:D kent Did they tell you cannot append something before something else.. (just teasing) Cliff
Re: Security from others when server running
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 07:25:47AM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: (please, dont Cc me on list-mail) On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:10:31 PDT, Alvin Oga writes: extremely hard to protect a server if people have physical access You could try a guard with a Kalashnikov... Cliff
Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 03:13:10PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 01:44:45PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 11:49:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:31:47PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: regretful snip I agree with every word you say! regards Cliff
Re: machine version and platform?
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 01:26:38PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Is there a command that will show my machine, kernel and (possibly) debian version? I recall using such a command but cannot, much to my embarassment, remember it! Thanks for any help. Rory uname -a Cliff
Re: mandb gets stuck!
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 11:49:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:31:47PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: getting a little OT here but can all the man databases be converted to info files? what can a python newbie do or have to follow in order to do this? You might be able to do it, but then I'd have to kill you ;) Besides, the info client can read man pages already. Anything beyond that can't be done automatically, as the style of info documents is different to man pages (man pages go for simplicity and quick reference, info documents are vast sprawling hypertext things). -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] GNU is of course wonderful (seriously) But what insanity drove them to try and abandon man pages ? It remains the most eccentric of decisions. Info pages are great if you want to know all about something when you know little, but man pages are better when you need that quick reminder and do not want to tread through treacle first... My 2 Eurocents worth Cliff
Re: Just a question
On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:07:01AM -0500, ktb wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:51:12PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:09:07PM -0500, ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 08:45:29PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
* Brian Schramm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010830 19:41]:
Is there a way that I can take a passwd file and compare the full
name data
in it to the email ldap server and give a a list of what it finds and
what it
misses? I am doing this manually but with the number of users that
there are
involved it is going to be really time consuming.
I don't really know what I'm talking about, but this should probably
help you get started:
awk -F : '{print $5}' /etc/passwd | sed -e s/^\([^,]*\).*$/\1/
That will give you a list of just the full names. Pipe that into
something else that will look each one up in the directory service.
Not a complete answer, but it's a start...
BTW what does [ sed -e s/^\([^,]*\).*$/\1/ ] accomplish? I'm just
grooving on one liners lately and am curious. It seems like -
awk -F : '{print $5}' /etc/passwd is all you need to spit out the full
names.
Not quite the same thing:
$ awk -F : '/karsten/ {print $5}' /etc/passwd
Karsten M. Self,,,
$ awk -F : '{print $5}' /etc/passwd | sed -e s/^\([^,]*\).*$/\1/
Karsten M. Self
In the original pattern:
sed -e s/^\([^,]*\).*$/\1/
We have:
-e: expression to evaluate.
s:create a substitution using the following pattern.
/ start of expression
^ beginning of line (actually, beginning of fifth field
\(start a substitution
[^,]* match zero or more instances of any character other than ','
\)end substitution
.*$ match to end of line
/ end of expression
\1replace with contents of first substitution (the \([^,]*\)
pattern)
/ end expression
sed is for people who think Perl's too easy to understand.
Roflmao...
Cliff
Re: Old BIOS does not support bootable cdroms
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:25:38PM -0500, ktb wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:12:17PM -0400, Ken Mead wrote: Hi all, I was given on old P166 and want to put Debian on it however the old BIOS does not support bootable cd's. Can someone please point/help me make a floppy disk that will allow me to boot my debian cd so I can get this box running. I would go and get the floppy images but I only have one floppy left. Jeez it is hard to be sympathetic here..buy some more floppies. Cliff
Re: Partitioning Advice
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:01:45PM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Cliff Sarginson wrote: /tmp 1 Gig Too big 250MB Don't some programs use /tmp to store in-progress downloads, and thus would have problems if /tmp weren't big enough? Say, for example, I was downloading a 600MB ISO image. Wouldn't /tmp have to be at least that big for the download to succeed? I remember having problems with this on a Red Hat 6.2 system where /tmp was only 100 MB. I suppose one could avoid this by setting TMPDIR or whatever environment variable where the downloader expects to find a temporary pathname. FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb9 242M 6.5M 223M 3% /tmp Is mine. /tmp is a hangover, and a security problem, and is much less used I believe than fornerly. Cliff
Re: rlogin delays
On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:14, Iain Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 07:29:06PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Pam is the whinger... Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_cracklib.so) Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so Aug 29 19:17:12 angel pam_rhosts_auth[392]: denied to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as cliff: access not allowed Aug 29 19:17:37 angel PAM_unix[393]: (login) session opened for user cliff by (uid=0) How do I get this off the CD ? thanks Cliff Ahh... Yes that would do it also :) You've two options here. Either: apt-get install libpam-cracklib snip Iain Thank you, I am still familiarising myself with debian procedures. The apt-get did the trick. Lesson #1 to those who said it was DNS. Don;t assume that 1 problem only manifests itself through a single cause .. :) I like to think I know at least enough about DNS to create one for my intranet...and it is true that DNS is a source of a *lot* of grief... Cliff
Re: no mouse with X
On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:51:15PM -0400, Eric Cheney wrote: Hello. I'm trying to introduce a debian box to my officeI am not a sysadmin, so I stumble a little bit with these things. Anyway, I want to make a good impression of deb. I've installed woody. I'm getting weird things with the mouse. Can somebody help? Here's what's up. I loaded up X server and it connects and all that. If I start X with gpm, I get a mouse, but it is very erratic and unacceptable. So, if I remove gpm, and then restart X, the mouse works fine under X. Ok, if I then reboot, there's no connection to the mouse without gpm; so after reboot (after removing gpm), the mouse is dead under X. In the XF86Config-4 setup file I have the mouse on /dev/psaux. I checked, and there is a link from /dev/psaux - gpmdata. I'm using a ps/2 mouse. That is correct. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Console mouse (gpm) and window managers don't always get on well, I recall this is often a particular problem with gnome. Cliff
Re: who has *arguably* the best iptables firewall script around here?
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 12:00:00AM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: Subject: Re: who has *arguably* the best iptables firewall script around here? Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:55:19PM +0200 In reply to:Cliff Sarginson Quoting Cliff Sarginson([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:42:39PM +0200, thomas anderson wrote: Hello, If you think you do please tell us why and also kindly send me a copy too! :) Well, mine seems ok, I do not run inetd when connected, which does not really lose me that much in pratcise. Nexus's only complaint about my setup is about lpd, and I do not know how to solve that yet. Cliff This might be what you are looking for $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $IEXT -p tcp --dport 515 -j LOG --log-level NOTICE --log-prefix Printer-Attack-Rejected: $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $IEXT -p tcp --dport 515 -j DROP ^^^ ppp0 in my case Ah..an iptables expert..:) I will try that. I am hoping that iptables is the last incarnation of firewall syntax in linux for a while, my learning capacity strains against my age.. lol Cliff
Re: Frage zu Linux
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:50:24AM +0200, Magnus von Koeller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 August 2001 08:57, Rolf Friedel wrote: gibt es bei Debian eine art Exchange-Server für Linux ?? wenn ja wo ? Das ist eine englische Mailing-liste. Wenn du kein Englisch verstehst, bitte versuchs bei der debian-user-de mailing list. Here's his question in English: `Is there an equivalent to an Echange-Server for Linux? If yes, where?' - -M Lol..a masochist in our midst. Cliff
rlogin delays
hello, I have installed the latest potato/2.2.19 on one of my network PCs. When I rlogin into it from another host it takes more than a minute before I get prompted for a password. There is nothing else of consequence running on the debian system. No messages in the system log, and once logged in everything is fine. Clues ? Cliff
Re: rlogin delays
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:44:06PM +, Iain Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:39:44PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: hello, I have installed the latest potato/2.2.19 on one of my network PCs. When I rlogin into it from another host it takes more than a minute before I get prompted for a password. There is nothing else of consequence running on the debian system. No messages in the system log, and once logged in everything is fine. Clues ? Cliff DNS lookups? (Or maybe even ident... Admittedly I'm not that familiar with rlogin) I have found with many services delays like this are caused by your servers inability to resolve your hostname etc... Try adding your hostname and IP address to /etc/hosts if you have no DNS server available... hth, Iain -- Pam is the whinger... Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_cracklib.so) Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so Aug 29 19:17:12 angel pam_rhosts_auth[392]: denied to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as cliff: access not allowed Aug 29 19:17:37 angel PAM_unix[393]: (login) session opened for user cliff by (uid=0) How do I get this off the CD ? thanks Cliff
Re: rlogin delays
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:47:59PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:44:06PM +, Iain Smith wrote: DNS lookups? Pam is the whinger... No it probably isn't Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_cracklib.so) Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] Aug 29 19:15:57 angel rlogind[392]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so Aug 29 19:17:12 angel pam_rhosts_auth[392]: denied to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as cliff: access not allowed See the delay between 19:15:57 and 19:17:12 ? That's probably spent in the pam_rhosts_auth module looking up a hostname. Most likely still a DNS issue. Similar questions pops up several times a week in the various Linux newsgroups and mailinglists and it's *always* a DNS issue. Mike. I think the error messages concerning PAM indicate a PAM problem. My DNS works just fine... Cliff
Re: Partitioning Advice
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 01:49:19PM -0600, John Purser wrote: I'm installing Debian Woody as the only OS on an IBM PC with a 20 gig hard drive, 192 megs of ram, and two Ethernet cards. This machine will be my network gateway and provide DNS, DHCP, Web, and database service for my small network. Not a lot of users and not a lot of data. I'm a programmer who just wants a test network to play with. The partition scheme I'm considering is: / 243 Megs Too Big..consider 100MB /boot 60 Megs Way too big 12 Megs /home 1 Gig Depends /usr 16 Gigs Ok /var 1 Gig /tmp 1 Gig Too big 250MB Way too big /swap 500 Megs More than enough snip Cliff
Re: default relay in testing exim?
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 06:42:02PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 01:10:47PM -0700, Ron Steinke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there some reason that the default install of exim in testing sets the option host_auth_accept_relay = * in its configuration file? I do not use exim but if this means you are a relay for anything (which the * seems to imply) then I would change it toute suite. You will be an open relay which means your mail server runs the risk of being used by all sorts of undesriable elements. Cliff
[davidj@web.de: Re: segfault in vi]
Forwarded by request... Cliff - Forwarded message from David Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:49:08 +0200 To: Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: segfault in vi From: David Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A night's sleep and a day's work out of sight of any computer gave me time to realise that I had no business giving vi this file to deal with in the first place - it was a ninety-line text formatted by a Microsoft word-processing program and thus containing all sorts of raw numbers (the 'file' command told me it was a 'data' file). FWIW, I did find out that the segfault didn't occur while I was trying to edit the file, ie removing the formatting stuff. At this stage the console just froze; I killed the process from another console (I was running vi under strace, as Karsten suggested, and it didn't seem to matter which process I killed), and returned to the original console to find it doing strange things like not echoing commands to the screen, not putting the prompt on a new line, and using a linefeed without a carriage return for new lines in its output. The segmentation fault occurred after I rebooted and accepted vi's generous offer to recover the file with -r. The strace file associated with that was 26000 lines long and I found nearly 2000 files in /tmp produced by vi at one stage. Cliff's point about long lines must be valid - some of them seemed to be thousands of characters long. So, does this count as a bug? I don't think I should have tried this with vi - dman's suggestion that I try antiword, which I ungraciously ignored, seems to make sense, although I don't know whether I'm going to want to do this again - but shouldn't vi have realised that it was taking on something it wasn't equipped to do? I don't know anything about bug reporting, by the way, but I'm sure some kind soul will give me a starting hint :) Sorry to have taken up your time. David On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 07:41:20AM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Well, you have found a bug I would guess. That is why... Maybe a buffer over-run..too long a line ? Report it.. Cliff On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:01:58AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: I only know that I type 'vi' on the command line and - I've just checked - 'which vi' tells me '/usr/bin/vi' but, hang on, 'ls -l /usr/bin/vi' tells me it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi and, hang on another sec, that is a symlink to /usr/bin/nvi, which seems to be the final destination at 315248 bytes. So let me rephrase my question. Does anyone know why nvi baulks at removing formatting mumbo-jumbo from WordPad files? David On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 07:30:57PM -0400, dman wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 01:40:50AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: | I was trying to remove the formatting mumbo-jumbo of a MS WordPad | document in vi, but it segfaulted - repeatedly. Is there a | known reason for this? Uhh, vi is and copyrighted by ATT and I don't think it is maintained anymore. You don't have it. Now which vi *clone* do you have installed? nvi? elvis? vim? I like vim the best -- it has a lot of really useful features and is very stable, not to mention extremely cross-platform. Try 'antiword' though -- it is really cool at rendering Word docs as plain text. HTH, -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message -
Re: who has *arguably* the best iptables firewall script around here?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:42:39PM +0200, thomas anderson wrote: Hello, If you think you do please tell us why and also kindly send me a copy too! :) Well, mine seems ok, I do not run inetd when connected, which does not really lose me that much in pratcise. Nexus's only complaint about my setup is about lpd, and I do not know how to solve that yet. But i make no claims about it, it probably needs more testing than I have had the time for. I allow in SMTP and ssh. Cliff
Re: using cd is shell script
On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 05:26:36PM -0700, bob parker wrote: Hi all, being a lazy typist i have writen a little script that goes like this: #! /bin/bash # go-xxx where xxx is the last dir in along chain cd /some long dir chain/xxx My question is, how can i make the change persist after the script is done You can't by simply executing it. Your environment is passed up to child processes but not down to parent ones. You need to source it..that is run it in-line in the shell. In bash you use a . to do this, in csh/tcsh you use source. Cliff
Re: segfault in vi
Well, you have found a bug I would guess. That is why... Maybe a buffer over-run..too long a line ? Report it.. Cliff On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:01:58AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: I only know that I type 'vi' on the command line and - I've just checked - 'which vi' tells me '/usr/bin/vi' but, hang on, 'ls -l /usr/bin/vi' tells me it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi and, hang on another sec, that is a symlink to /usr/bin/nvi, which seems to be the final destination at 315248 bytes. So let me rephrase my question. Does anyone know why nvi baulks at removing formatting mumbo-jumbo from WordPad files? David On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 07:30:57PM -0400, dman wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 01:40:50AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: | I was trying to remove the formatting mumbo-jumbo of a MS WordPad | document in vi, but it segfaulted - repeatedly. Is there a | known reason for this? Uhh, vi is and copyrighted by ATT and I don't think it is maintained anymore. You don't have it. Now which vi *clone* do you have installed? nvi? elvis? vim? I like vim the best -- it has a lot of really useful features and is very stable, not to mention extremely cross-platform. Try 'antiword' though -- it is really cool at rendering Word docs as plain text. HTH, -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about hostname
Hello .. search and domain are mutually exclusive btw. The last one in the file is what wins... Cliff On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:44:00AM +0200, Martin F Krafft wrote: also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on Sun, 26 Aug 2001 07:22:37PM -0500): A couple of questions, subsequently ... please don't reply to my personal addy as well as debian-user... This is my current /etc/resolv.conf: search speakeasy.net nameserver 216.231.41.22 nameserver 216.231.41.2 ... speakeasy is my DSL provider. So I would add the line domain burningclown.com ... and the line beginning 'search' should change, too? The DNS servers are speakeasy's, of course. precisely. and you'd configure your DNS zone to have your static IP (say 111.222.111.222) to point to pear.mydomain.com: pear.mydomain.com. IN A 111.222.111.222 So I can do this? Or would someone at speakeasy need to do this? or someone at the ISP that hosts burningclown.com (not speakeasy). Whew! that someone who hosts burningclown.com. who are they? and how much do they charge you? because i am pretty sure they won't just add an A record subdomain, at least not at no charge. martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- quantum mechanics: the dreams stuff is made of.
Re: Network Collisons
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 12:39:10PM +, Hereward Cooper wrote: Hi, What would cause the vast number of packet collisons between the 2 computers on my network, which are connected via a 8 port hub. Collisions are a normal consequence of the EThernet protocol. A very high number .. 10% if I recall rightly ... may be cause for concern over the hardware. But it depends on a lot of things .. you don't say what is going on on the 2 computers, what kind of NIC's you have etc. Cliff
Re: question about hostname
On Monday 27 August 2001 09:31, Martin F Krafft wrote: also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:48:11AM +0200): Hello .. search and domain are mutually exclusive btw. The last one in the file is what wins... are you serious? i must admit that i never really knew what domain did, but i didn't know that they were mutually diskliking each other. do you have docs about that? not that i disbelieve you, just interest... The behaviour resulting from the domain directive is a little complicated to explain. The domain used to resolve addresses is normally the domain part of the full host name..so if your host is jabberwocky.carrol.net then your default domain is carrol.net. If you have a hostname without dots, e.g. just jabberwocky then the default domain is the root domain . which is useless...! If you use the domain directive you specify a new default domain. e.g domain lewis.net Then lookups will use this domain instead of rhe implied default. This is your search list. If you just type a host name for resolution that is first looked up as is, if it is not found then the domain part is appended and a new serach begun. The search directive allows you to specify a number of domains to search, up to 6 I believe. The first name in the search list because the default domain. hence any preceding domain definition is just ignored. This is somewhat different in older versions of bind..but I doubt you are running one of those. There is more to the story than this .. trailing dots for example..but that is my two-pennyworth for now. If you want to understand DNS buy the bible O'Reilly book.. DNS and BIND. I think their is a bind user's manual in the distro as well. One of the real headaches with setting up DNS is typing mistakes...that may not raise an error from bind or the resolver..and can be a pain to find. There is a DNS checking program whose name escapes me..someone else doubtless remembers it. You can put any garbage you like in resolv.conf btw, you will never get an error .. lol. Good Luck Cliff
Re: OT: Collecting data in text files
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 12:29:17PM -0700, Abner Gershon wrote: I have am currently dual booting to debian and would like to change to rely more on debian and related applications. I currently collect lists of information on many topics such as restaurants, phone lists, file folders, slides using a database program, Lotus approach. Since I am the only user of this information I thought I could record this information in text files using vim and then use gawk and sed to access this data. I have done a little reading on how these programs work and would like to know if it is generally better to seperate columns with spaces or tabs for this purpose and if this would be the most appropriate technique for collecting and organizing such data. You will find spaces produce a more predictable output than tabs. However why not use a database program on Linux, there are quite a few, or a speadsheet program. Adabas, postgres, mysql, KDE has a spreadsheet program, StarOffice is an integrated Office suite with word processing, database etc. Let the program do the hard work ! Cliff snip
Re: how do i extract a bullet from my foot (tar woes)
On Saturday 25 August 2001 06:56, Paul Mackinney wrote: Karsten M. Self muttered: on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:17:32AM +1000, Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm trying to remember a trick (probably in O'Reilly's _UNIX Power Tools_) for removing files by inode... Arg. In my first System V admin class, the instructor showed us how to specify the filename in octal so that you could manipulate filenames with un-typable chars. I realize that this trick would probably fail here (a dash - is a dash - is a dash -), but can anyone remind me how to do this? Paul The usual way of specifying octal is \0xx replacing xx by the appropriate digits. : The -b option to ls will show you these... Cliff
Re: caps lock...num lock...whatever...
On Saturday 25 August 2001 04:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW what is /dev/null all about ? Thanks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Shyam man 4 null Cliff
Re: caps lock...num lock...whatever...
On Saturday 25 August 2001 07:21, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 07:49:34AM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW what is /dev/null all about ? if tty /dev/null 21 ; then case $(basename `tty`) in I added that in because, under certain circumstances (although I don't recall _which_ circumstances), snip Processes lose their controlling tty when they detach themselves from it. Cliff
Re: allowing users to upload
On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 11:30:32AM +0200, Martin F Krafft wrote: hi, i operate a couple of non-profit servers for friends to host their websites. there is only ssh, no ftp, but most users are mac or windoze, and so they have considerable difficulty uploading, even with the OpenSSL or other comparable scp-featuring packages. i would like to enable user ftp for them to facilitate, but it's too much of a security risk due to clear text passwords being sent over the wire. so i am wondering what other alternatives there are to allow users easy remote management of their websites, similar to ftp. or is there even an ssh-capable rsync client for mac and windoze, preferably, of course, with a GUI? You could use anonymous FTP, set up properly it is quite secure. Be especially sure that the upload directory has write but NOT read permissions; otherwise you may find you have become a half-way house to all sorts of unsavoury things. This means you have to vet the uploads and move appropriate ones to the download directory. good luck Cliff
HP and Linux
Does anyone have any experience of Linux under HP machines, in particular vectra vl400 and/or pavilion series ? thanks Cliff
Re: caps lock...num lock...whatever...
On Friday 24 August 2001 16:16, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:24:04AM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: Quoting Jeff Maxson([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ok, even stupider. I meant num lock, not caps lock. how do you turn on num lock by default? Heve you checked the bios? ISTR a bios setting for setting the num lock state. Just checked the manual for a system and found it in the Advanced setup section of the AMIBIOS. Its called Bootup Num-Lock, in this bios anyway. Yes, pretty much every BIOS has an initial-numlock-state toggle. However, Linux cheerfully ignores it and turns numlock off when it boots. AFAICT, this is not configurable without hacking the kernel source.[1] To get numlock turned on in console mode, add the following to ~/.bash_profile: if tty /dev/null 21 ; then case $(basename `tty`) in tty[1-9]) setleds +num ;; esac fi To get numlock turned on in X, go to freshmeat, download, build, and install numlockx, and add the line /usr/local/bin/numlockx on to one of your X startup files. (I use wdm and have placed it in /etc/X11/wdm/Xsetup_0; if you don't use wdm, you'll have to find somewhere else that works.) [1] Does anyone know _why_ it does this? Seems to me like a pretty stupid design decision... Mmm..I don't mean to be rude, but is it not simpler to just push the key down ? Cliff
Re: backspace problem
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: Hello, I recently upgraded my debian (unstable) and some things broke. I was able to fix most of it. I have a rather annoying problem that I can't solve. Seems like the backspace key is messed up. I functions properly in applications like pan, mozilla, ... and at the commandline but when I press backspace in vim I keep getting this weird character, This also happens with the less viewer Any ideas? Thanks -Jeroen- try stty erase ^? Cliff
Re: how do i extract a bullet from my foot (tar woes)
On Wednesday 22 August 2001 21:28, Walter Hofmann wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'm trying to remember a trick (probably in O'Reilly's _UNIX Power Tools_) for removing files by inode. Trying to remember what it was or in what context it worked. Unmount the filesystem, then do [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ /sbin/debugfs debugfs 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 debugfs: open -w /dev/device_with_file_system debugfs: clri 11 debugfs: quit Mmm. I would be very circumspect about using debugfs, a typo astray... A little story. Long ago I worked on Edition 6 of UNIX as a systems programmer. We wrote a file system editor (this was in the days before efsck). There was no manual page written for it..on the grounds that (I quote my boss at the time) You shouldn''t use it unless you could have written it yourself Mmm..nostalgia, it ain't what it used to be... Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ /sbin/e2fsck -f /dev/device_with_file_system e2fsck 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Entry 'random name' in / (2) has deleted/unused inode 11. Cleary? yes ... Use the inode number of the file you want to clear instead of 11. Walter
Re: X server can't find mouse
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 10:31:29AM -0700, greg wrote: David Roundy wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:45:46PM -0700, David wrote: If problems persist, you may want to consider dumping gpm all together. It was giving me problems once upon a time, and I've never missed it any time I've removed it. It doesn't seem to provide much functionality beyond the ability to use your mouse in console mode, which seemed fairly worthless to me. Someone can probably tell you a much better use for the thing, but it never did much for my comp. snip if you use the consoles a lot then the cutting and pasting with the mouse is *very* useful.. But gpm and X don;t get on well Cliff
Test..just ignore
Ignore
Re: Firewall program for Debian?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:11:32PM -0400, dman wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:48:11PM -0700, Brandon High wrote: | On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Han Yoo wrote: | | Basically, I have the 2.2.19 kernel. | Is any of the programs that you mentined easy enough to be utilized by a | Debian novice without going into the heavy-duty configuration? | | 2.2.x uses IP-chains for its packet filter. This will allow you to block | certain ports and provide IP masquerade functions, but won't give you the | alerting provided by ZoneAlarm. You'll need to install an IDS (intrusion | detection system) as well. ipchains and iptables have a logging facility so you can log packets if you want to. It is still up to you to actually read the logs though. | I can't recommend one offhand, but you may want to ask on debian-security. tripwire is one I've heard mentioned here before. Tripwire is not a firewall..rather it warns you about unexpected file permission changes etc. Quote Tripwire is a file integrity checker - a utility that com- pares a designated set of files and directories against information stored in a previously generated database. Added or deleted files are flagged and reported, as are any files that have changed from their previously recorded state in the database. When run against system files on a regular basis, any file changes would be spotted when Tripwire is next run, giving system administrators infor- mation to enact damage control measures immediately. End Quote Cliff -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how do i extract a bullet from my foot (tar woes)
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:32:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In linux.debian.user, you wrote: hello: i have managed to insert a bullet in my poda courtesy of tar and my ineptness! that is, i did: tar -cvIf --remove-files /tmp/foo.tz /opt/tmp silly me filled up my current directory with a file called --remove-files. my question is: how the heck to i get rid of this beast i've tried rm -f --remove-files rm -f '--remove-files' rm -f \\-\\-remove\\-files rm -f \-\-remove\-files rm -f '\\-\\-remove\\-files' rm -f '\-\-remove\-files' all with the same lack of success! any assist in this would be most appreciated. -- regards, allen wayne best Another way to remove it would be to go to the directory and run 'mc' (midnight commander) Highlight the offending file and do F8. Anita This is amazing :) Someone ought to write a HOWTO on this. How to remove files with problematic filenames The -- feature is obviously the *right* way, but the least creative. There are other little challenges for the reader. Create a file whose name is backspace or has a clear screen sequence as it's name and try to delete it, using rm -i is cheating. Remember the only disallowed characters in a filename are NULL and / Keep on rocking Cliff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how do i extract a bullet from my foot (tar woes)
On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:26:37PM -0700, allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx wrote: hello: i have managed to insert a bullet in my poda courtesy of tar and my ineptness! that is, i did: tar -cvIf --remove-files /tmp/foo.tz /opt/tmp silly me filled up my current directory with a file called --remove-files. my question is: how the heck to i get rid of this beast rm -- --remove-files Cliff
Re: how do i extract a bullet from my foot (tar woes)
On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 02:54:52PM -0700, Greg Wiley wrote:
On Monday, August 20, 2001 2:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
silly me filled up my current directory with a file called
--remove-files.
my question is: how the heck to i get rid of this beast
i've tried
Here is a C program that will do it:
#include unistd.h
int main() {
char *fname = --remove-files;
unlink( fname );
return 0;
}
No need for anything so drastic !
The -- flag turns off flag interpretation with many commands..
see info rm
Cliff
Re: uninstalling GRUB
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 13:16, Dan Pomohaci wrote: Hi, I look in all grub documentation but I didn't find any clue about uninstalling GRUB. A friend want to clean a disk to install Win2K (poor of him :). Microsoft operating systems have no concept of other O/S's So the Win2K installation should just merrily scribble the disk... I guess your friend will not be needing the Linux blue screen of death screen saver anymore .. he will have access to the real thing ... :) Cliff
Re: forgot root password on head- and keyboardless machine *blush*
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 20:36, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:19:34 +0100, Stig Brautaset wrote: * dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:02:07PM +0100, Stig Brautaset wrote: | I have a head- and keyboardless machine running debian potato that I | used to log into with ssh. Now I have forgotten the password. *blush* The easiest way is to borrow a head and keyboard from somewhere and boot into single user mode. Hmm, now if you had a way to reboot ... I know that this is a solution but I don't have a keyboard. I have a screen I could use, but I really don't want to buy a new keyboard just to do this... (my friends all have ps/2 keyboards, whilst my machine uses the old din-style). Even if you HAD a keyboard that fits you would SURELY kill your machine by hot- plugging it in (smash the keyboard-controller's fuse, if it has one, or even blow the controller itself.) This is dis-information ! No such thing would happen ! I have done this a squillion times... Cliff
Re: forgot root password on head- and keyboardless machine *blush*
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 20:19, Stig Brautaset wrote: * dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:02:07PM +0100, Stig Brautaset wrote: | I have a head- and keyboardless machine running debian potato that I | used to log into with ssh. Now I have forgotten the password. *blush* The easiest way is to borrow a head and keyboard from somewhere and boot into single user mode. Hmm, now if you had a way to reboot ... I know that this is a solution but I don't have a keyboard. I have a screen I could use, but I really don't want to buy a new keyboard just to do this... (my friends all have ps/2 keyboards, whilst my machine uses the old din-style). You could always buy a ps/2--din adapter..! Cliff Regards, Stig
Re: forgot root password on head- and keyboardless machine *blush*
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 21:05, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:19:34 +0100, Stig Brautaset wrote: I know that this is a solution but I don't have a keyboard. I have a screen I could use, but I really don't want to buy a new keyboard just to do this... (my friends all have ps/2 keyboards, whilst my machine uses the old din-style). Even if you HAD a keyboard that fits you would SURELY kill your machine by hot-plugging it in (smash the keyboard-controller's fuse, if it has one, or even blow the controller itself.) This is a valid concern with PS/2 keyboards, but I think it may not be as much of an issue with the 'old-style' AT connections. Hall Well, I must have been living on the knife-edge of disaster all those years I spent as a system manager..merrily (un)plugging keyboards like there was no tomorrow.. lol Cliff
Any Linux/Debian friendly hardware vendors in Holland
Anyone know of any please let me know.. I have failed to find a single one .. :( Cliff
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:13:03PM +, garrigos adrian wrote: Please do not send HTML attachments to the mailing list. Thanks Cliff
Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 04:30:29PM +1000, Steve Kowalik wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:26:04PM -0400, Jeff Maxson uttered: I don't think that was their point. It is not viral in that respect, but it is viral in that (from what I understand) anything GPL'ed can't get sucked into another program without that other program being required to be GPL'ed as well.Thus, everything from then on that uses that original code must then be GPL'ed. Is that correct? Yes. Trust Microsoft to say that about the GPL, but not the BSD license, as they steal BSD code and not feel bad for it. Well the BSD license is a completely different animal than the GPL, it really is the ultimate give-away license without GPL's sting in the tail. You cannot steal what is given away ! Cliff
Re: Chrooting a user?
On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:03:56AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Sunny Dubey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010812 22:17]: hey How would i Chroot a user? I want him to be able to log into the machine like any other user, however his home directory would be his root directory, There exist an HOWTO on setting up bind in a chroot jail. That may give you some useful tips...(or not..I have only speed-read it !) Cliff
Re: picture browser for debian
On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:24:55PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: quoting fixed On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:56:44 EDT, Sean Morgan writes: Anyone knows of a good picture browser for Linux (preferrably .debianized, of course, but I can live with compiling myself)? look for compupic it is cost-free for linux users, and is very good. Cliff
Re: Kernel image installed. Now what?
On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:33:42PM +0300, George Karaolides wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked my LILO.conf, changed the image= line to the vmlinuz-2.2.19 file and the map= line to System.map-2.2.19 or something like that. I rebooted again. I did the uname command - still the same information: 2.2.10. I knw this is silly but did you run lilo after you changed /etc/lilo.conf? It happens to all of us. If you did and it didn't report an error and you still have problems then I have another couple of ideas about what could have gone wrong, but run lilo first. Did you copy the new vmlinuz *over* the old (you should)..after making a copy of the original to, say, vmlinuz.old... Cliff
ASUS A7V-E motherboard
Anyone successfully using this motheboard.. if so .. please post details ! thanks Cliff
Re: kmail looses emails?
hi, just some minutes ago my shell said, i have a new mail, the standard mail-client gave me this info: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home$ mail Mail version 8.1 6/6/93. Type ? for help. /var/spool/mail/raa: 1 message 1 new N 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fri Jan 19 13:20 913/32068 Release-critical Bugreport for January 19, 2001 x [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home$ then i would read this mail in kmail (V1.2), but there i can't find this mail! is there any known bug? It will have gone into mbox ... :) kmail will be reading your spool file, the message wont be there anymore. Cliff
Re: those problems where the easiest thing to do seems to be to reboot...
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:44PM +, CND OConnor wrote: Hi, I've used linux quite a while now, but every so often I do something to my system I can't fix that I know will go away if I reboot. I'm lazy, I guess, so I do. I can always make some tea. I find it hard to be sympathetic to such a request. It's a bit like buying a new car, then when it gets dirty instead of taking it to the car-wash you buy another one. I suggest you do some exploration. Who knows you may be in a position to help others on the list :) Both of the problems below are easy to solve. I will leave it to others to tell you... Cliff 1) you 'cat' a file you shouldn't in the console mode. before you know it everything on the commandline becomes an unreadable mess of ascii characters you didn't know you had. 2) X crashes (hasn't for a while actually) and dumps you in a grey screen with a mouse pointer and nothing else. (That would be running unstable, helix-gnome, enlightenment and gdm with mozilla to crash it). I've tried restarting the gdm daemon but that doesn't work.
Re: static vs modules
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:34PM +0100, Sebastiaan wrote: Hello, I was wondering if there is a speed/operating difference when compiling kernel daemons like knfs static in the kernel or in modules. Anyone know something about this? I think there is no measurable (is this spelled right?) difference. (That's what I think, I haven't tested it) Modules are more flexible. For example if you get a new soundcard you only have to insert the new module, you don't need to recompile the whole kernel. I expect there is a few picaseconds latency when the module is first loaded :) Other than that I should think not. Cliff
Re: MUA Blues in X
i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Mmm. Well all mua's are awful, just have to live with 'em ! I have never seen anything like quite like outlook... I use KDE2, which has some bizarre behaviour (I don;t know if it is a feature or a bug but when you trawl down a list of message headers and delete them as you go it redraws the header list in an extremely odd way - it drives me nuts), but is liveable with apart from that. I find it hard to imagine what feature you require that Mutt does not have, except point and click of course... I deal with mail as follows. I use mutt to very quickly review/delete/answer mail. Mail that I want to keep or think about I leave in the spool. Later in X I use KDE2 to file mail etc... This is nicer in practise than it sounds in it's description..lol. With mutt I can deal with 90% or more of the mail very quickly. Probably doesnt help your quest, just passing it on .. Cliff
Re: curious: Re: running another X from within X
--- David B. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first X session's display is :0 . You have to tell 'startx' to start a new X session, on a display other that :0. For instance, startx -- :1 Would start a second X session, accessible by CTRL+ALT+F8. You can also embed an X session in a window; 'man Xnest' for more info. But you can do it as a diffrent user ? Cliff
Re: MUA Blues in X
To quote Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook # express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) No, you don't - not in my experience. Currently, for me, Sylpheed is in the sweet spot. It has all the features I use(filtering, newgroup reading/posting, multiple account support, etc., etc.), and none of the features I don't work(calandering, HTML, you name it). Only problem is it uses MH mail format... :( Cliff
Re: nbd modem
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:04:29PM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: Hi, Does anyone ever use nbd (network block device) to remotely mount a modem (which is supposedly to reside on a server)? Does it work on kernel 2.4.0? Thanks in advance, Oki 'fraid I cannot help you, but I too am interested in this... :) Cliff
Re: mail client
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:58:33PM +0100, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: Hello, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Mutt and kmail2. Is kmail from kde2 and kmail2 the same program? I have my sources.list pointed to potato and tdyc and installed task-kde which installed kmail. I remember some screenshots though on the kmail homepage that ... looked slicker. I'm also hoping that it would fix some issues I have with kmail, but apt-cache search kmail2 won't show it. By Kmail2 I mean the version of Kmail that comes along with Kde2. It is much improved over kmail 1. I am a newbie to debian distro so I cannot help you with the apt- business (yet !) .. sure someone knows though.. Cliff
Re: Grub vs LILO
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 10:55:44AM +1100, Brian May wrote: Joachim == Joachim Trinkwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joachim Could it be simpler than launching a `grub-install Joachim /dev/sda' (or whichever partition you wants to install it Joachim to)? You should have copied all the files in Joachim /usr/share/grub/i386/ to a directory /boot/grub/ (don't Joachim know why the postinst script can't do that as well) and Joachim have got a working /boot/grub/menu.lst (the counterpart Joachim of lilo.conf) previously, of course. My version has no grub-install - is this something new in unstable? Instead my version has a shell that can be started from the Unix prompt. The info page comes with a warning, that it uses raw devices, and installing it while the file-systems are in use may corrupt the file-systems. It gives a list of steps to minimise the danger, such as un-mounting drives first or mounting it read-only. Instead the recommended way is to copy grub on to a floppy disk, boot from it, and install it from the disk. Which is rather difficult in my experience, as floppy disks only seem to work for one boot before dying :-(. Seems to be a bit paranoid to me. I am hopeful that the situation has now improved... Well, I think like any software that manipulates fundamnental locations on your disk drives, like boot sectors, it is not suprising that it warns you that you have no-one to complain to if it doesn't work .. lol. It is erring on the side of over-worrying you ... Cliff
Re: why use Debian?
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 08:56:43PM -0800, Ernest Tucker wrote: I have been computing so long that I used to debug a computer that was built with RTL cars and had a 26 bit word. You either latched the program in by hand or loaded from octal tape. --- Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:00:22PM -0700, Monte Milanuk wrote: ... Hey, it's nice to know that at least some of the people I talk to aren't half my age (and able to run circles around me on Linux :( ). (true story) I worked on a PDP11/34 with removable disk packs, they were 20MB jobbies, about the size of a respectable flying saucer, and weighing a ton. You could eat your breakfast off them. Anyway on cold winter mornings they would misbehave, going into endless, and very noisy seek loops. We cured this by writing a small program that was typed in, in octal, on some keys on the front panel that instructed the contoller to seek from out to in on the disk in order to warm it up. Mmm, those were the days... Cliff
Re: [0T] need a url that crashes netscape
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 02:47:19PM -0200, Francisco M . Neto wrote: » Jonathan D. Proulx disse isso e eu digo aquilo: On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 01:15:30PM -0800, Xucaen wrote: -- #!/bin/bash netscape if ( -f ~/.netscape/lock ) then rm -f ~/.netscape/lock /dev/null fi - I think you mean [ ] brackets rather than ( ) ones here.. Cliff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network settings and ppp
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:54:04PM -0500, David B. Harris wrote: To quote Elizabeth R. Chichester [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Okay, I made a mistake. When I set up Debian on my home machine, I was # thinking in terms of a home network and so set up networking (through # eth0). Unfortunately, I got ahead of myself and don't have everything # set up. Specifically, I didn't have internet access handled. # # I did set up wvdial during the installation process. It works. I'm # able to connect to the ISP. However, I can't get a DNS reading (i.e., I # can't ping anything successfully). The Gnome ppp dialer (where you can # specify the DNS addresses of the ISP) consistently gives an error # message. # # Does anyone know (or can you direct me) to where I should disable # networking so that I can get DNS through my ISP and otherwise get on the # 'net? Just a sample /etc/init.d/networking and /etc/resolv.conf (or # other files) might do the trick. Sure :) /etc/resolv.conf should look something like: order hosts,bind Mmm, don;t thinks so. Are you not mixing up hosts.conf with resolv.conf here ? Cliff nameserver ip.address.of.nameserver nameserver ip.address.of.2nd-nameserver That'll probably fix things, but no guarantees ;) Consider this a quick-fix :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permissions 101
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 02:20:48PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: I'm trying to understand the suid bit. So I created a little script to list a file that I don't as a normal user have permission to read, namely /var/log/user.log. Here's the data, starting with the permissions on user.log: $ ls -l /var/log/user.log -rw-r-1 root adm 2838 Jan 15 13:39 /var/log/user.log Here's my little script sutest, and its permissions, followed by the results of executing it: $ less sutest #! /bin/bash echo does this work? less /var/log/user.log $ ls -l sutest -rwsr-xr-x1 root root 59 Jan 15 13:28 sutest $ ./sutest does this work? /var/log/user.log: Permission denied Suid shell scripts don't work. Big security problem.. :) Cliff
Re: Internal PCI modem with Potato
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 09:40:51PM -, Mark Scott wrote: Hello all I am having trouble getting my linux to recognise my pci internal modem. I am new to the Intel platform but have succesfully managed to install potato on my m68k mac and connect using ppp albeit with an external modem. I have searched the archives and was not able to find any pointers can anybody help or point me in the direction of a walk through,FAQ or HOWTO It may be a winmodem .. :( Not a real modem, a device that need a driver in windows to get it to dance (a so-called software modem). I believe some winmodems have had Linux drivers written for them someone else on the list may know where to look. Cliff
Re: missing consoles
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:18:12PM +0100, Brendon wrote: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 ^^ This is the problem :) You don't start in other consoles in runlevel 5, except the first 1 ! 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 No 5 here matey ! Cliff
Re: Grub vs LILO
I would recommend Grub, what you should do is download and untar it and read the documentation that it supplies, it is very good. And it looks quite nice when you boot..pretty colour menu :) Cliff Oh, cool. Do you know if grub can boot off /dev/hdc2 if LILO can't? (LILO can't because my BIOS is cheap, thus I use loadlin even though I [almost] never boot Windo~1 anymore) -D yes, it's very flexible, far more so than lilo IMHO patrick. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/resolv.conf not there with potato
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 09:58:17AM +1000, Lyall Ward wrote: Hi, I am just learning how things work in debian and have come across a problem. There is no resolv.conf. I have tried just creating it and while this fixes the problem of the file not being there, nothing seems to use it(Eg I still have to ping by IP address and nslookup thinks the default namserver is 0.0.0.0). The file I created is world readable. what have you put in resolv.conf ? Have you configured the nameserver ? Cliff Is there a package I may not have installed, which will give me proper usage of resolv.conf? Any sugestions? Thanks in advance, Lyall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUAs and timestamps, was Re: how to grep without changing timestamps?
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0500, D-Man wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 07:35:06PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: | D-Man writes: | | d | How is mutt (or any other MUA) meant to do it then? | d | | | d By checking the file itself for new messages, rather than | d relying on the timestamp. Some MUA's handle new messages in | d folders better. (ie, you can open up the mailbox, not read | d anything, and it still says new -- mutt doesn't) | | Only now, when the user has 1e6 messages in his inbox because he | never deletes any, he opens mutt and then goes on his coffee break and | gets back before mutt is done scanning the messages. Also, where is Yeah, it's not perfect. As I said in my quoted paragraph below the current system probably solves a lot of developer headaches with such situations. Who's going to save 1e6 messages anyways? Even if you do, are you even going to remember any but the last dozen or so? (but I'm not going to argue the point so don't bother answering the q's :-)) | mutt supposed to keep the information about which messages were | previously in the folder? | In the folder itself. There is a header that has this info, just open it in vim or something. I did some checking just now and couldn't find it in my mutt mbox. I have seen it before. I think Netscape messenger sets such a header. Something like X-Status. The flags for the header that I am aware of are R O and N. Have you ever noticed how even if mutt doesn't list the folder as new in the folder view it still reports the messages properly once the folder is opened? | d All-in-all though it's not such a bad system (for mutt). It | d probably solves a lot of headaches with locks and other | d processes trying to write to the mbox as mutt reads to | d determine if something is new or not. | | What is it here? Futzing around scanning the mailbox or doing a | stat()? I hope you mean the latter. | Checking the timestamp. (I guess that's what stat() does, I haven't had a need to use stat() in any progs yet) | Incidentally, it appears from the stat(2) man page that a solution | to this problem might be unmounting, mounting with the option | noatime, and then remounting without that option. It also appears | that 'touch' can change the access time of the file with the -a flag. | But I think I'm coming in on the end of this thread and that might I just joined the thread when the subject changed. I did know that touch will set the last (modfied/accessed) time to now, and if the file DNE it will create it. | have already been suggested. Also, if you know that your mailbox has | new mail, you can If I know it has new mail, then I already know. The goal is to have the MUA tell me instead. ;-) -D You have the source code. Fix this non-problem yourself ... since what you want to do causes it :) Cliff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GRUB [Was: Grub vs LILO]
There have been lots pf questions about grub. My experience of it is that it is easy to install and remarkably powerful. I suggest you get hold of it and read the supplied documentaion (which is good) a couple of times - it answers all your questions :) Cliff
Re: LILO Problem
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 06:28:53PM +0100, Andrea Vettorello wrote: Dale Morris wrote: I'm having a problem with LILO. I have windows installed in the first partition on my hd but somehow have wiped out the mbr. I've also tried to compile the new 2.4 kernel, but am getting the following error: cat bzImage /vmlinuz cp /usr/src/linux/System.map / if [ -x /sbin/lilo ]; then /sbin/lilo; else /etc/lilo/install; fi Fatal: open /dev/hda1: Device not configured make[1]: *** [zlilo] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot' make: *** [bzlilo] Error 2 I've read the man page, but still am not having any luck. Thanks in advance. I can't give a big help here, but why not giving grub (the GRand Unified Bootloader) a try. I have used grub and it is simplicity itself to setup .. and very, very good. Cliff
Re: WOT: Hotmail mail servers
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 03:23:55PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:07:51PM -0700, user list wrote: I have just heard a rumor that the hoemail mail servers are not MS exchange servers but, rather, linux mail servers. Is this true? If so, is this well known? we are fighting a guerrilla action over this where I work. I'm on a unix server that never has problems while the rest of the institution runs on exchange servers that are about as reliable as power in California. Actually, I was told they were SPARC/Solaris systems. Search around on slashdot, there was plenty on this. Mmm.. They are FreeBSD .. I think :) Cliff
Re: wacky kernel question
I am glad to see I am not the only oldie on the list :)
Bring back paper tape and drum storage I say...
Cliff
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Carel Fellinger wrote:
it's because on a teletype you couldn't erase, so backspacing wouldn't
help in keeping things readeable:)
Hm, ok, that makes sense. I was thinking in the context of dumb
terminals; teletypes were slightly before my time.
Even after the use of CRT terminals became general, that deleting
convention was still used in some cases. The built in editor with the
version of BASIC included in many CPM and/or Radio Shack machines
required deletions to be done that way, even though it was probably
never used on a true teletype terminal.
Incidentally, TTY originally meant a teletype. The first
definition of TTY in the foldoc is:
1. {teletypewriter}.
Bob
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Re: (OT) exec nonreadable shell scripts
On Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 04:04:14AM -0500, D-Man wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:27:38AM -0800, Xucaen wrote: | would writing scripts in a compiled language like | C be a solution? | Errm .. then they are not scripts anymore... Cliff If any binary files can be exec as suid, then I would recommend python. It will have more of the feel of a script with its high level view of things. Python programs can be byte-compiled to .pyo files. It may be an option to have the .pyo file suid while hiding the .py source itself. Just a thought. | can a user have permission to exec a script | contained in a directory they don't have read | access to? | Hmm, there's an idea. They would have to know the name for certain since ls wouldn't help them. But I think that they would still be able to read the file. Try it and see. ;-) | | xucaen -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wacky kernel question
Decwriters (hard copy terminal behaviour) Jeez you must be bored. Cliff On Tuesday 09 January 2001 22:31, Joey Hess wrote: I've been using linux for years and years, but I have never figured this odd little corner out. Perhaps someone here will know. If you type when the kernel is booting up, it echos to the screen. That's normal for linux of course. The interesting behavior that puzzles me is that if you hit the backspace key, it pops the letter that it is backspacing over off of the stack, and prints it. Some / and \ characters are printed too around what you typed. So, if I type: Joey he_ Then backspace back two spaces, I see: Joey he\eh/_ Then if I finish up by typing 'Hess', it looks like: Joey he\eh/Hess_ Finally, if I mash down on backspace to delete it all, I see: Joey he\eh/Hess\sseH yeoJ/_ Anyone know why this happens? It's a very interesting way to handle backspacing, to say the least. It doesn't often matter, since there is little point to type at the kernel while it's booting, unless you are extremely bored during a long fsck. :-)
Re: (OT) exec nonreadable shell scripts
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 06:24:33PM +, Rick wrote: sorry for off-topic, but I've been banging my head trying to set up shell scripts that can be executed but not read by a user. Basically, for test.sh : #!/usr/bin/bash echo hullo! *** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ chmod 111 test.sh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ ./test.sh ./test.sh: ./test.sh: Permission denied The shell reads scripts in order to execute them. Cliff
Re: Hi All
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:41:55PM +, sena wrote: On 10/01/2001 at 11:12 -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: snip Then came ANSI C, a standardization of the language. KR2 was published to comply with the standard. ANSI C (and KR2) used a new style in several points of the language. One of the style changes was the modifcation of the function declaration syntax. Well, there were one or two other fundamental changes in the language between the two. The biggest example (and one which caused some grief) of change was the handling of structure assignment and the passing of structures as function arguments. KR C is still being written, don't forget those 's chaps and chappesess... Cliff
Re: removing exe files...
On Monday 10 January 2000 12:00, D-Man wrote: cd / ; rm -fr *.exe ?? This command will remove all files ending in .exe from the entire filesystem. Is there some sort of naming convention used for those exe files? If so, come up with a regex that will match all (or at least most) of those files without matching anything you want to keep. Then use it in conjunction with the -r (recursive) option to rm. -D Mmm. This is a reckless habit to get into, find etc.. much safer. Consider the consequences of your solution should the user accidentally have a space after the * In your example.. goodbye OS. Anyone contemplating using rm -rf * in the root directory has not been using Unix systems for very long... Cliff On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:26:02PM -0200, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: | Hi to all! | | I installed potato at home because I want to move my production | system from OS/2 to Debian. After two month of playing around with | potato, and with the great help of people at this list, I am almost | ready to stat working with Debian. I copyied al my files from the | hpfs partition of OS/2 (in another disk) to the Debian disk. I have | a lot of FORTRAN exe files which will not work under potato because | they were compiled in OS/2. I want to remove them, but they are | spreaded in many directories and subdirectories. | How can I remove all of them? I search in the rm documentation (man | rm and info rm) but I didn't find anything. | | Thanks in advance for the help | | Marcelo
Re: hi all
Well the user id field in the password file is an unsigned int, i.e. 32bits on a PC... So .. lots ! Course, it may be limited by other considerations..lol Cliff I think I remember reading somewhere that because users have 16bit uid's by default, the maximum is 64k or so (65,536). But you can have 32bit uid's if you're brave I also believe. Cheers, Corey J. Popelier http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Sathish C wrote: Hi All can anybody tell me tha maximum number of users that can be created on debian linux if there i sany such limit. Please don't say that as many users as in any other linux, because I don't know how many can be users created on other variants of linux also. Please tell me how I can find such details. I searched in the man pages( useradd) but I could not. Thanks in advance. Bye Kilaru -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian. Gonna give it a whirl :)
hello, I am looking to make a stable Linux desktop environment. I already have one from another Linux distribution, but I am very unhappy with the direction Suse is taking. That's the politics. Now the practise. I have the complete CD set from 2.2 first release. I understand there is a new release available. Do I need to get the whole CD set again ? Or will CD1 do the whole trick ? Advice ? Comments. Thanks Cliff
Re: Debian. Gonna give it a whirl :)
Hello, I have to work ou what would be cheaper to do ! Approximately how much data are we talking about -- I have just a 56k dialup ... I can get the CD's in Holland for about 8 guldens each... Cliff No, you don't need a new CD set. Just install Debian using the disks you have and use apt-get to upgrade to 2.2r2 via the Internet. The apt-get method of installing packages is the other reason switch to debian! ;) HTH, Remco On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 13:36, Cliff Sarginson wrote: hello, I am looking to make a stable Linux desktop environment. I already have one from another Linux distribution, but I am very unhappy with the direction Suse is taking. That's the politics. Now the practise. I have the complete CD set from 2.2 first release. I understand there is a new release available. Do I need to get the whole CD set again ? Or will CD1 do the whole trick ? Advice ? Comments. Thanks Cliff -- We envision to seamlessly administrate multimedia based services in catalysts for change as well as to competently create emerging leadership skills. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian. Gonna give it a whirl :)
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 04:19:51PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: David B. Harris writes: In North America, local regional calls are free - they don't cost anything. For me that local region is about ten miles in diameter and includes exactly one (unreliable) ISP. Sure, it took ~18 hours for a 640 meg CD image, but hey, I can just leave my computer to do its thing. Ok. Well my ISP charges are not an issue - they are flat rate and I can be on 24/7. Sadly phone charges are an issue. Anyway thanks everyone for responses. I will give it a go later this week. No doubt you will be hearing from me again :) Cliff
Re: mail client
Hello Mutt and kmail2. Mutt I use to send quick mails, and quickly sort through new emails. I save ones I need to think about and usually use kmail2 sometime later to respond etc. 90% of my mail I deal with directly through mutt. I cannot stress how good mutt is :) Cliff On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 02:16:59PM -0500, D-Man wrote: I use mutt (www.mutt.org). I discovered it not very many weeks ago, but it's the best I've ever found. (I even prefer it to the GUI mailers I've tried). It has very nice mailing list support as well (including sort by threads). For other people, check the X-Mailer and User-Agent headers on their messages. (not all messages have such a header though). -D On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 05:51:21PM -0600, Casey Webster wrote: | Hello, | | I've noticed debian doesnt distribute pine on its package mirrors, and | as i've only really used pine under unix for mail, what mail clients do | you guys use, so i can check them out. | | thanks | -casey | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
