Re: Security Setup: how to respond to a portscan (This is long!)
Salman Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then there was the issue with ndbm.h not getting found. It was located in /usr/include/db1 but I had to explicitly specify that dir with --site-includes, which I thought was a bit strange. That is because the glibc maintainers have decide to move to db2 in this way. I don't know of any real application for the database support so it doesn't matter much. Anyways, everything worked out just fine in the end. (I am using 20.4 BTW). I was just curious (given the fact that I have an jan at xemacs.org alias). I modified the WDM (XDM replacement) setup to: DisplayManager._0.authorize:false This would worry me. However judging from below that in the absence of cookies generate by ?DM the xservers falls back to host based security. Which is just good enough. @phoenix:[/home/ssahmed] xhost access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect INET:phoenix LOCAL: Can I assume that the above xhost and WDM settings are safe ? I think this is safe (assuming phoenix is your host). Jan
Re: emacs or xemacs ?
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I honestly don't mean to start a holy war here, but I'd like to know: Is there anyone who prefers Emacs to XEmacs, and why? I am trying to stay out of this thread (because discussions like this always become holy wars) but I couldn't let this one pass. The Xemacs' group rather selfish position on source-code assignments (so that the FSF can use their changes) also makes me reluctant to support them in any way. Even if selfishness were a proper descriptions of motivations of previous XEmacs maintainers (which it isn't) then may I remark that almost all of the people who work on XEmacs in some major way have copyright assignments on file at the FSF and people who contribute to XEmacs are all encouraged to do so (although it is not a requirement). Jan (@xemacs.org).
Re: xemacs at console won't suspend
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've had some problems running xemacs20 (mule) on the console and it going into an error loop of some kind when resizing the console or killing gpm. I usually run my emaxen under 'screen', mostly because I switch around terminals so often. The gpm part is fixed in XEmacs 21.1. I have never seen a bug report about hangs when resizing. Jan
Re: Xemacs Prcs problem (still persists)
Prashanth Mundkur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ** Variable reference to constant :buffer ** Variable reference to constant :force [...] ** Variable reference to constant :get-descriptor-too The messages are nothing to worry about. They are caused when a package tries to be compatible with Emacsen that do not support keywords natively. Is there a way of getting xemacs to look in the right place? Normally it picks up all subdirectories of site-lisp at startup. Are the permissions on the prcs directory OK? Jan
Re: xemacs at console won't suspend
Brian Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a know bug with xemacs20-nomule and gpm. The solutions are to either recompile xemacs without gpm support, or stop gpm before starting xemacs on the console. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/lxemacs20-nomule.html for the several VERY OLD bugs on this subject. I think someone had submitted a patch but for some reason it has never been fixed. It _has_ been fixed in recent version of libgpm. This is not an XEmacs bug at all. XEmacs just happens to be one of few programs that uses libgpm. It isn't even a _real_ libgpm bug. It is actually a libc5 vs glibc 2.x issue. Glibc has changed the semantics of signal handlers (I think from BSD to sysv). Its subtle problems like these that cause real headaches. The libgpm code now uses a more portable method (although it still runs only on linux). Jan
Re: xemacs21 questions
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just installed xemacs21. It's still running together with xemacs20 untill it will work fine. (I Installed it because I hoped for some new mule support which apperently isn't present yet). What new mule support had you hoped for? Jan
Emacs copyright was [Re: IglooFTP goes commercial. Violation of GPL?]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith) writes: How do you determine this? The Mule people said so. It is kept pretty low profile All the copyright statements I saw in 20.4 after a quick check were merely by the FSF, including such docs as etc/DISTRIB. I don't have 20.4 here. But this is the top of coding.c from 20.3 /* Coding system handler (conversion, detection, and etc). Copyright (C) 1995, 1997, 1998 Electrotechnical Laboratory, JAPAN. Licensed to the Free Software Foundation. This file is part of GNU Emacs. That's quite fascinating if true. Amazing isn't it. I wonder what the story is behind this; RMS has never been willing to do this before, and for him to bend like this simply to integrate what is, quite frankly, not a very good implementation of i18n (IMO, of course) is interesting to say the least. If you believe Erik Naggum, it is because of pressure to compete with XEmacs. However I don't think so. I think that it is more the fact that he already had promised Kenichi Handa that he would merge in the changes (from what was then NEmacs) if would rewrite them to allow to not only one other language (Japanese) but multiple languages. In addition the Mule people do have funding to have people work full time on it (and to fly developers to Japan for conferences!). The funny thing is: hearsay Apparently he was offered a similar deal by Sun. Had a accepted that he would have not only have had a cleaner Mule implementation but the XEmacs redisplay engine too. /hearsay Jan
Re: IglooFTP goes commercial. Violation of GPL?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith) writes: to take someone to court for violating the copyright. The FSF's position in a court case (if it were to ever come to that) is immensely strengthened and simplified by virtue of being the sole copyright owner. As such, they have much more legal clout they can use to _avoid_ court. Contrary to popular opinion the FSF is _not_ the sole copyright holder of GNU Emacs. The copyright to FSF Emacs is jointly held by the FSF and the Electrotechnical Laboratory (which is the Japanese government research institute that is responsible for Mule). Jan
Re: where is xemacs21?
Joachim Trinkwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you mean the Debian *package* psgml, note that it doesn't work with xemacs (all versions), it depends on a flavour of (GNU-)emacs; Yes, but there really is no reason it couldn't be made to work. I thought the main reason the Debian package was separate is that XEmacs comes with its own version xemacs users most of the time had to be contented with older versions of the packages (which I always thought would possible to overcome, but depended on some political rather than technical decision of the maintainer, but maybe I'm wrong here). The real reason is that the 1.1.x releases of psgml's are betas. XEmacs includes the latest official release which is 1.0.3. stick them in /lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp Thanks for the hint, I saw it on xemacs.org's Quick Start Guide page, too, Doesn't surprise me as I wrote both :-) but that didn't work here. It should. Could you please find out why? -- Jan Vroonhofhttp://www.math.ethz.ch/~vroonhof/ Mathematik, vroonhof @ math.ethz.ch HG E16, ETH-Zentrum, Tel: +41-1-6325456/25154 Raemistrasse 101, CH-8092 Zuerich. Fax: +41-1-6321085
Re: where is xemacs21?
Min Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about the /etc/*emacs/site-start.d/* stuff? If I want to keep the xemacs20 style, i.e., automatically source these starting up files, how can I do that? You need to copy the Debian specific code that does that (not sure where that is, I am not near a Debian system now) to the new tree. If you want to be fancy you can stick it into .../site-packages/lisp/auto-autoload.el Jan
Re: default ungziped /usr/doc/*/* ?
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: find . -name \*.gz | xargs gunzip Of course, if he did this, he shouldn't expect the system to upgrade cleanly anymore, and worse, remocving the packages won't delete the uncompressed files. Hey, his system, he wants to mangle it instead of learning zless, zmore, zgrep, etc, that's his perogative. I'm only more than happy to help him along. ;) It would be nice if the package system supported something like this (i.e. would consider both the normal and the gz version as part of the package). Not all formats have zxxx equivalents yet (dvi comes to mind). Jan
Re: default ungziped /usr/doc/*/* ?
J.H.M. Dassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can use see from the mime-support package to view compressed/gzipped DVI files. Sigh...A simple xdvi would be a lot nicer. Let me rephrase my wish then: I would if I could get some global option to get the documentation uncompressed. For some reason the /usr/doc hierarchy is where my expectations are most add odds with debian policy. Jan
Re: where is xemacs21?
Joachim Trinkwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Grab the corresponding packages for the new packaging system from ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/ or one of its mirrors (bbdb, auctex, gnus, psgml, ... whatever, there are no standard lisp packages included any more) Note that the debian version of psgml is newer than the one include in the XEmacs packaging system (the debian one is officially still beta I believe). Works out of the box here, as you can see from my X-Mailer line in the header. You can even update the packages online from within Xemacs now (there is sort of a dependency system); Unfortunately those dependencies are compile-time dependencies only (i.e. source dependencies in Debian terms). Most of them these are superset of run-time dependencies, but not always. A real dependency system is planned. the only thing I don't know yet is how to install local lisp stuff properly. stick them in /lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp Jan -- Jan Vroonhofhttp://www.math.ethz.ch/~vroonhof/ Mathematik, vroonhof @ math.ethz.ch HG E16, ETH-Zentrum, Tel: +41-1-6325456/25154 Raemistrasse 101, CH-8092 Zuerich. Fax: +41-1-6321085
Re: wdm and xdm co-exisitng - is this a bug?
Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The thing is, that you could manage :0 with xdm, :1 with wdm and XDMCP with gdm or such. So the packages don't conflict in a traditional sense. But looks like all of them try to manage :0 and therefore there is this mess. Wouldn't this be solved by having a general S99dm:0 startup script and having that managed by the alternative system? Jan
Re: Life at 4 bogomips
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In dselect the Scanning available packages .. part puts out about one dot every three seconds. Isn't this output from 'dpkg'?, it can build huge internal tables (or something like that at least it grew to a wopping 13MB RSS for me once.). However I think it has a --small-mem option, maybe that improves stuff? Jan
Re: Why was gs-aladdin removed as recommends from magicfilter?
Brian Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) | gs-aladdin to Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) Isn't this carrying the free/non-free argument a bit far? In addition, the packages in main = * must not require a package outside of main for compilation or =execution (thus, the package may not declare a Depends or =Recommends relationship on a non-main package), If that is the reason then I think this either a bug in the policy or a misinterpretation of it. It does not require it because the recommends is on gs | gs-alladin. i.e. you can satisfy it with the DFSG free version of gs. Jan
Re: What advantage; gs-aladdin vs. gs?
Brian Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For me it is the addition by the gs-aladdin maintainer of the HP Deskjet driver. But that driver is LGPL so it could also go into the free gs. I use it with the 660c but it works great, much better than the dj550 driver that is in the free gs. Indeed, at least it needs a lot less tuning. I just wish Uli would allow his dj8xx driver in as well. That has much better color support. Jan
Re: printcap, filtering, etc
Richard Harran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # Magic filter setup file for HP DeskJet 500 series color # printers with only CMY cartridge installed. and my printer has black CMY cartridges. Is the filter using the colour cartridge to make black, Probably not. The printer is intelligent enough to decide by itself how to make black correctly. However for my 600dpi output, I am currently using (for my 690C) the extra 'hpdj' driver that is built into the Debian version of Ghostscript (it is not a standard ghostscript driver). This driver has a seperate manpage. This driver is probably the best general purpose HP deskjet driver there is currently. (see ftp://ftp.pdb.sni.de/pub/utilities/misc/hpdj.html) If you want really good colour support you can use the hp850 http://www.erdw.ethz.ch/~bonk/software.html driver. I think there is a gs-alladin package in project/experimental that has this compiled in. Unfortunately there seems to be no driver that supports the photo cartridge. Jan
Re: debian - NFS - Solaris
Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My experience is that the Linux NFS server is broken when working with Solaris NFS clients. You are aware that there is a bug in the Solaris NFS clients when interacting with the Linux 2.2 NFS deamon? Sun apparently has a patch for that you should install. jan
Re: Xemacs question
Gunnar Schotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a problem using the ^-Key in Xemacs. When I use the key there is a message in the status line dead circumflex not defined. That is not the error messsage :-) There is a dead_circumflex in there. I know what you mean now but in general it is very good idea to be very very exact in giving error messages. Preferably use cut and paste (you can see past error messages in XEmacs by typing C-h l). Also you might consider using a more specific forum for you questions. For instance, had you used www.dejanews.com you would have discovered that this question is FAQ on comp.emacs.xemacs. I need this key for auctex-mode in mathematical environments like simply $x^2$. Add this to your .emacs to fix this particular XEmacs bug (define-key function-key-map 'dead_circumflex compose-circumflex-map) Can anybody help me? You can also opt to switch of dead keys by choosing the nodeadkeys variant of your keyboard in XF86Config. Jan
Re: Xemacs question
Jan Vroonhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is not the error messsage :-) There is a dead_circumflex in dead-circumflex of course (define-key function-key-map 'dead_circumflex compose-circumflex-map) Thus (define-key function-key-map 'dead-circumflex compose-circumflex-map)
Re: Why not as a newsgroup?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Bialasinski) writes: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/ I am reading debian-devel there occasionally and I can assure you this is NOT a viable alternative. 1. The software cannot handle multipart/signed messsages :-( 2. The threaded display does not contain dates. 3. On busy lists the web pages become quite big. 4. The archive is constructed only once a day on master and then it takes a while to propagate to the mirrors. etc ... Jan
Re: What's the story on Xemacs+GPM?
Matt Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah -- I actually recompiled today with egcc (enhanced GNU cc). You want to use the --with-nucurses configure option (again, I don't know how that translates to debian package building). In order to do this, though, you need to install some type of ncurses-dev package on your system. On mine, the package is called libncurses4-dev. You don't want to use termcap anyway, ncurses is superior. Note that if you have ncurses installed the configure script will use that by default anyway. Jan
Re: What's the story on Xemacs+GPM?
Daniel Elenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not for me, it didn't! According to dselect, I have libncurses4 and libncurses4-dev installed. If this happens with the pristine XEmacs sources then that would be a bug. From configure.in dnl Autodetect ncurses. if test -z $with_ncurses; then AC_CHECK_LIB(ncurses, tgetent, with_ncurses=yes, with_ncurses=no) fi if test $with_ncurses = yes; then [...] else dnl $with_ncurses = no dnl Autodetect terminfo/-lcurses/-ltermlib/-ltermcap
Re: What's the story on Xemacs+GPM?
Daniel Elenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm aware that Xemacs has problems with GPM (if you put Xemacs to sleep while GPM is running, things turn ugly). Actually it is GPM (or better the libgpm library code) having problems with glibc2. A patch is being worked on by the GPM maintainers. But is it possible to use GPM to paste text into Xemacs from a different VC? And the other way around? I certainly can't! XEmacs understands GPM for real, i.e. it sees a real mouse click. Therefore it needs to the selection handling itself However I am not aware of any code in XEmacs that does that. Jan
Re: DEL key in Xemacs
Daniel Elenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but xemacs in X works fine, it's when I run it in the console that I get this problem. Is there a similar setting for the console somewhere? Just to be specific: Are we talking about XEmacs running on a true linux console (i.e. terminal type is 'linux') or xemacs -nw running under an xterm? If it is the latter you basically will have to wait until XEmacs 21.0 (may the debian-xterm stuff fixes this). The problem is to find out what character code your backspace key generates. If it is '127', often displayed as C-? or ^?, then XEmacs 20.4 will always map that to 'delete'. XEmacs 21.0 will try to be more intelligent about that. If your are indeed on a linux console and backspace generates 127 then you can force XEmacs to do what you want with something like this. (puthash ?\^? 'backspace keyboard-translate-table) This basically undoes the code in XEmacs that makes that particular translation. Jan
Re: saving font size in xemacs 20.4
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Garman) writes: Whenever I change the font size in xemacs 20.4, and do a save options my font change is always lost. I checked the faq, and made sure that Options-Frame Appearance-Frame-Local Font menu is not checked. I also have the following line included in my ~/.emacs file: (setq options-save-faces t) Still, xemacs always reverts to the same (tiny) font size. Anybody know the story on this? May there is an error in your .emacs file. It then stops reading and never gets to where it reads the .options file. Jan
Re: Build of xemacs-20.4-7 fails
Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /usr/src/XEmacs/xemacs20-20.4-5/lib-src/profile.c:51: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday' This sounds like a configure failure. The source package is probably using some --with-bla-bla switches that are incompatible with your hamm install and cause other tests to fail. (you can check in /usr/src/XEmacs/xemacs20-20.4-5/Installation) XEmacs 21.2.x (the bleeding edge development version) build out of the box on my ham system. Jan P.S. If that really is the case you should file a bug report against the debian package. Using --with-bla-bla=yes is generally bad.
Re: Hamm Dselect
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 05:34:46PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is the way to access several CD's from dselect at the same time? I believe that there is no such way, unless you have several CD-ROM drives so that you can mount all of them simultaneously. Sorry. There has been talk in the -devel list about creating such a method for Debian 2.1 as even the main distribution of the current unstable (slink) won't fit on one CD. See ftp://ftp.datom.de/pub/people/heiko/debian/dpkg-multicd/ I bought some CDR's from Heiko with Hamm and these were already included there. They work fine. Jan
Re: xdm replacement?
Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, kdm actually does offer a nice piece of functionality that xdm doesn't. It allows you to choose an X session at login (kde, window maker, afterstep, etc), by providing a combo box that lets you choose the parameter that gets passed to the Xsession script. This exactly the main problem I have with the KDE project and it remains to be seen whether GNOME will do it better. This isn't exactly rocket science. It has been done before. CDE's dtlogin can do it, f.i.. Same for pictures, IRIX has done that for ages. It would have been a lot nicer if this could have been included in the original xdm. Same holds for several other apps that have been KDEifed. Somehow moving from xbla to kbla always induces a fork so that functionality relatively independent of any real KDE features does not migrate (easily) to the original. Jan
Re: XEmacs on laptop BEEPING
Wayne Cuddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have xemacs20.x loaded on my Toshiba laptop. First of all. 1. Questions like this are more likely to be answered in a more specific form, like comp.emacs.xemacs 2. Before you post, do some research using the FAQ and dejanews and you will see that lots of people have shared your problems and solutions are already presented there. You'll the find it is Q 2.1.11 of the FAQ. This will save me and other a lot of time. Now the hard part 3. it isn't an XEmacs problem at all. It is an XServer problem. In particular with the implementation for some CT chipsets. (you'll see this problem is also mentioned in the XFree86 docs). Now the good part 4. There is work around. Put Option sw_cursor in XF86Config. Jan
Re: Found out how to get Xemacs to remember font and color changes....
Christopher Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After A LOT of Altavista searching and reading through quite a few different emacs FAQs, Next time try looking closer to home :-) C-h F will het you the FAQ. It is Q3.0.7. (the faq also should be on www.xemacs.org). A dejanews search on comp.emacs.xemacs is alsways a good thing to try too. I found out you need to put: (setq options-save-faces t) in your .emacs file for those changes to be saved. Hopefully you also read WHY that is. The supported interface is to use customize. As of 21.x (setq options-save-faces t) won't work anymore. A true replacement for the font menu won't be in untill after 21.0 probably. Jan
Re: What xfsft is.
Christopher Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as advantages of xfsft over xfstt go, The main advantage of xfsft for me is that it could be linked into the XServer so that I do not need to run a seperate fontserver. Jan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: gnuserv xauth
Deniz Dogan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I use a normal user`s gnuserv process as root? What I want to do is: as root to use a normaluser`s emacs to edit some conf files. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# xauth -f /home/deniz/.Xauthority extract - :0.0 | xauth merge - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# gnuclient -h dogan.dyn.ml.org ipfw.dotfile What am I missing or doing wrong? 1. gnuclient xauth uses a cookie for display :999 use this (our version of mkcookie also makes a cookie for localhost:0, your milage may vary). #! /bin/sh GNU_HOST=bolzano export GNU_HOST # Make Gnuserver cookie for poor user. if [ -f $HOME/.Xauthority ] then xauth add $GNU_HOST:999 . `xauth -q list localhost:0 | cut -d' ' -f5` fi 2. Gnuclient only tells the remote XEmacs to find-file the file, so the user has to have permission to edit the file. You could try using efs if you allow root ftp access. Jan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: School Proof-of-concept network
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a vision of mine that linux will be used more in schools, Not only of yours. Some have even made it a reality. See http://www.heise.de/ct/schan/ That is german project supported by C'T. It allows schools to connect to the internet using a specially prepared linux distribution to act as dial-up gateway and server. As far as I know this server comes with a special administration front-end that makes it easy for non-unix people to manage. This might make it easier to convince your colleages. It is used in real schools. The only thing left to do would be to translate the support programs and documentation into English (Are there german classes at your school?). Jan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: emacs !!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To edit faces in xemacs, not sure about emacs. M-x edit-facesRET (I haven't used it but it looks pretty easy.) The recommanded way is M-x customize-faces. Which has the advantage that it will still works in 21.0 and also works on both Emacsen. It is less WYSIWYG. Jan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Kernel compilation
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You may use fakeroot, so iii) is not really a limitation. Aha..good. However I recall that make-kpkg puts explicit checks for root. Those should be removed then. Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The checks are needed, because you have to be able to do a chown to root I still do not like checks like these, I'd rather have it bomb out at the chown. But that is just side-issue. But if you use fakeroot, make-kpkg will really believe you are root :-) Nothing better than a little white lie :-) Jan Is fakeroot building the norm in hamm? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Manoj, thanks for make-kpkg I like it a lot. Especially the fact that your own kernel a full fledged package. Disadvantages of using make-kpkg - -- - - i) This is a cookie cutter approach to compiling kernels, and there are paople who like being close to the bare metal. ii) This is not how it is done in the non-Debian world. This flaunts tradition. iii) Doing it this way forces you to be root to do a kernel compile. I know this probably more of a problem with the packaging system itself. However it would be very nice if this could be changed. There should be no need to be root to compile a kernel, only when installing it. Just wanted it said once Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Unable F1-F4 mc running in rxvt
Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In xemacs for example I get dead-circumflex is not defined this makes the use of the T-^ command ion gnus somewhat difficult :-) http://www.math.ethz.ch/~vroonhof/emascs/x-compose.el.gz Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xemacs and mail
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i guess what i'm looking for is a blend of xemacs/gnus and pine/elm. Use gnus. Gnus is not only a news reader but also a mail reading program. It excells at using mailling lists. Look in the info file under Select methods Getting Mail. The only thing it doesn't have is imap but that is being worked on (I believe an experimental nnimap backend is available) Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux in Wired
Andy Kahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have loads of features. however, i recently took the same data that i was pumping into gnuplot and plopped it into MS Excel, then made terrificly beautiful graphs (multi-column, bar, 3d, etc) with un- believable ease, and then sent them into a PowerPoint presentation. Note that the Graphics are one of Excels strong points (especially compared to other Windows based Spreadsheats). I agree fully that for manipulating graphics a GUI interface is often well suited. Another example is the ease with which you can make flow text around a picture with a complicated contour in say PageMaker compared to how difficult that is in TeX. Note that even in one of its strong points Excel lets you down. F.i. Excel supports logarihtmic graphs (hooray!) but they don't look terrificly beautiful to me and you cannot plot say betwen 10^-5 and 10^-3 because the upper scale is arbitrarily limited to be 10 or above. It seems that they only built it in to be able to display Bill Gates's net worth against time :-). as much as i dislike Win95/NT/MS, this Excel-PowerPoint process was unbelievable and beats the heck out of grinding through gnuplot's numerous options. However I do not see what the ease of creating bussiness graphics in Excel has to with the merits of Powerpoint. One should check how the linux bases spreadsheats like Applix, StarCalc and [insert other one who's name I cannot remember right now] do in this respect? As far as I know there aren't any GUI graphics programs for Linux. The closest I know is gnuplot outputting to fig for xfig. Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. Just wondering: If that was a concern wouldn't have been better to have incorperated in a country where the legal climate is less aggressive? It would proably have been more expensive though.. Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
/etc/crontab.daily and the security hole in find | xargs
[Sorry if this question has been adressed a zillion times but the search function of the archive seems broken] [Sorry again: I am reading this list through the web-archives and august hasn't appeared yet. Could you CC me] First of all let me thank everybody who has worked on Debian 1.3.1 for all their efforts. It is greatly appreciated. (Using a distribution does make one feel as if somebody else has tinkered with your system though :-)). I was checking out the files in /etc/crontab.daily and there it says above the standard find old tmp files | xargs rm lines something to the effect of These lines commented out because of the obvious security hole. What security hole? The only one I think I can see would be that xargs actually passes it's command line to the shell without properly escaping the filenames it puts in. Regardless of the nature of the hole: Is this fixed somehwere? The above hole would be fixed by making xargs call rm directly I think. Thanks again, Jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
