xntp ?

1998-05-02 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I'd like to set a computer's hwclock periodically using NTP.
I've installed the xntp .deb. Now what?
(Yes, I've read the docs.. :( )

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Re: Debian2.0 and tetex

1998-04-18 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Mark Phillips wrote:

  ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/slink/main/binary-i386/tex/
  Just right-click on the tetex-base0.9 directory, and select 'save as'.
  It's not particularly stable, however. 
 
 What is unstable about tetex?  I am just about to upgrade to Hamm but
 given that fully functional latex2e is vital to my work, does this mean

AFAIK the teTeX included with hamm is 0.4, the last known stable one.
(notice he is talking about dists/slink). teTeX 0.9 is still beta, and
has been for a long time.

I have used teTeX 0.9 for a while, but not under Debian, and I find it
as stable as 0.4 but YMMV. The unstable things in 0.9 are probably things
not present at all in 0.4 (like omega and pdflatex).

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AccelX on Debian

1998-04-17 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote:

 I used to run AccelX on Debian 1.3.1 with no problems.
 I did a custom install and installed ONLY server and fonts.

Did xdm work with your configuration?

thanks
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Re: Setting transparent xterms

1998-04-16 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Klas Lindberg wrote:

  Last I heard, transparent backgrounds were not possible (but this may or
  may not be true now, as I'm using X less and less...) But RxVT, which is
 
 Take a look at the enlightenment wm (www.enlightenment.org if I'm not 
 mistaken). It implements just juch a feature and is a pretty pretty wm 

I am sorry but it does not. This question is so common its even made it to
the Enlightenment FAQs! It is not possible with X (yet), without using
enourmous amount of computing (first getting screen, then transforming,
then using as a background pixmap). Using semi-transparent windows will
not be practically possible until we have a system using alpha-channels.
Berlin (berlin-consortium.org) will be such a system...

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Setting system time?

1998-04-16 Thread Jonas Bofjall
How do I set system clock (the RTC) on a fairly standard,
however old, PC which is running Debian GNU/Linux?

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AccelX on Debian

1998-04-16 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, AUBORD Alain wrote:

 3) Buy the complete package
 4) Do a custom installation and then install just the AcceratedX package 

I'm sorry, but I can't get this to work either. XiGraphics does not answer
my emails. I've tried experimenting with this over and over again. Now all
programs using X (including xterm) keeps divding-by-zero-faulting on me.
I can't anything to work..

Is there anyone out there running Accelerated X on Debian?
HOW do I do it?

thanks

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Re: Routing with Debian?

1998-04-14 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:

 The usual timeout for ARP entries is 30 seconds IIRC. That doesn't
 mean that some hardware might do something different.

I went home unsuccesful and then returned today, two days after I fought
with this, because I had some ideas I wanted to try. So I booted the
system and -whoa- worked perfectly without a change. I don't know what
kind of router we have but it obviously keeps ARP values cached too long.
I'm a bit happy though, as the problem turned out to be exactly what I had
expected the whole time.

But one question remains: I changed Ethernet cards in a workstation
earlier the same say, and at that time I could access the net right away.
Why did it go so fast that time? Why did I have to wait many hours when
working on the laptop? What was the difference? I don't expect you to know
these answers :) as I don't know anything about our router. But it's
interesting to notice that this timeout obviously is *very* random.

Unless there is some sort of inverse ARP which lets the workstation
broadcast that I am xx.xx.xx.xx with MAC xx:xx:xx:xx

 You can't force the router to forget.

This is surely something that is badly needed in IP.

 Be careful about assuming routers will do the right
 thing or even a sensible thing.

;-)

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Re: Routing with Debian?

1998-04-13 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote:

 The router finds the hardware (or MAC) address by broadcasting a request
 to the network.  It basicly asks Does anybody here know what the MAC

This is the ARP request described in the NAG. But there is also some kind
of cache which can be viewed with `arp -a'. What causes the router to
ignore the cache and send out an ARP broadcast (again)?

 As for your routing problem ... do you have a real IP address assigned
 to that laptop?  If you are using something like 192.168.x.x it is not

Yes, I understand that. The IP address is on the Internet. The workstation
that had it before (turned off to prevent conflicts) is sitting next to
the one which is PLIP-connected to the laptop, so they are definitvely on
the same router.

This must be something a lot you guys do on a daily basis? I mean it
should be nothing strange about it. I believe my problem is how to force
the router to forget what MAC this IP has. (But I'm not absolutely sure..)

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Routing with Debian?

1998-04-12 Thread Jonas Bofjall
Here is my situation: I want to connect a laptop to the Internet using a
PLIP connection to my Ethernet-connected workstation. This pretty much
sums up what I have tried (except for those ifconfig's):

on laptop:
route add workstation-ip plip0
route add default gw workstation-ip

on workstation:
route add laptop-ip plip0
arp -s laptop-ip workstation-hw-addr

I can ping any host on the LAN from that laptop now (including our
router), but I can't access the outside world. This is the first time
I do this and I have probably understood something wrong.

A question: How does the router know that the hardware address of the
laptop's IP (which normally belongs to another workstation that I have
turned off) has changed? Previously I have switched Ethernet cards in
a workstation and I had no problems accessing the Internet. How did the
router find out the address had changed? Is there some sort of broadcast
protocol that works the other way around, like: i am hw-addr and I
have IP ip-addr? Is this the key?

The laptop is running bo and the workstation a mix of bo and hamm.
Thanks for any explanations here (I've read NAG and NET3-HOWTO)...

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Cloning workstations

1998-04-07 Thread Jonas Bofjall
With a lot of luck I've succeeded in putting up a hamm system from
scratch. Now I want to make identical installations on a couple of
machines with almost identical hardware.

What is the easiest way? Can it be automated (I bet many people has
done this before..)? If I have to do it by tarring the disk to an
NFS-server and then booting on a floppy an tarring up to the target,
which files do I have to change with system-dependent info?

Another question: I am going to transform some half-useless Pentium60-
based win95 systems into UNIX workstations :-), but they only have
400MB-disks so I thought I'll have to put some stuff (perhaps /usr?)
on NFS. How well does this work with Debian's Package System?

It would be nice to fill the 400 MB with at least the most important
stuff (editor, TeX and stuff) so they'll be at least partially useable
even if the network goes down. So perhaps I could install that
barebones system on the workstations and a complete install on the
NFS-server, but I can't (can I?) force the installation of certain
programs to /usr/bin and some just to /bin. Of course, I still want
to take advantage of Debian's excellent upgrading system.

Thanks to everyone who put time and effort into this excellent OS!

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hamm state

1998-04-06 Thread Jonas Bofjall
How can hamm go into frozen when dselect-over-FTP hasn't been fixed yet?
When will it be fixed (I recently tried the 98-03-29 disk set)?

Also, selecting keyboard layout (swedish) does not work (says it can't
find the keymap-file). Sometimes it complains about the user 'root' not
being found, but it doesn't seem to lead to any trouble. Adding a user
(after setting root's password) does still not work.

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Re: Banco de Dados

1998-04-03 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Anthony Fok wrote:

  I'm afraid about PostGreeSQL because it's not 100% ANSI SQL. We'll run
 
 PostgreSQL is as close to ANSI SQL 92 as you can get, and it is still

You might want to check out mySQL too. I do not know of its functionality
but I've heard some good things. I think they have a web server on
www.mysql.org.

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AccelX on Debian

1998-03-23 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I previously posted a question on the list if anyone had good or bad
experiences from running Accelerated X with Debian. The only replies
I got were positive. I decided to evaluated it before actually buying,
so I downloaded it and installed on a fresh bo (stable) with XFree
installed.

After the AccelX installation however, none of the previously installed
X-programs works. Upon startup they give a `floating point exception'
and then dies. Not even xdm works.

I think the problem is related to X-lib, because running the programs
without a valid $DISPLAY will *not* cause the error. Compiling
programs from scratch does not work.

I mailed a copy of this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last thursday, but I haven't
received anything from them yet. Thanks for any help on this.

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Re: opendos fdisk *shifted* my partitions?

1998-03-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:

 Getting the bootable flags back wasn't the problem; they're set that way
 now.  But it litterly shifted the partition names; hda1 became hda2, and
 so forth. Is there any way to change them back?

This is exactly what OpenDOS did with my Linux system too. I fixed the
problem by using Linux fdisk. I noted all the start and end cylinders of
all partitions, then I removed them all and recreated them at their proper
places. No information on the partitions were lost in the process, but
don't take my word for it. You should always have backups.

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Dell XPS/60

1998-03-16 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I have a PC machine here on which I have installed Debian stable. It is an
early Pentium, a Dell XPS/60. It is giving me a lot of problems. When it
has been on for a while, it starts giving me floating point exceptions in
several programs (including troff and fvwm2).

What can be the cause of this? Does it have to be a hardware problem, and
if so, can I do anything to get around it (FPU emulation etc.)?

Thanks for any ideas on this..

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Re: APM HD Powerdown

1998-03-14 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:

 Use the hdparm package, which can instruct your drive to spin itself
 down at a specified timeout (if the drive supports it).

This is not what I want. That way the disks spin down too often.
What I was looking for is a way to spin them down when unmounting.

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Pine From: address

1998-03-11 Thread Jonas Bofjall
 I am using pine (from the debian distribution), and I would like
 to know how to set the return address (instead of the standard

You have to recompile perl and enable the ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM #define.
Its all in the docs. Download the source from www.washington.edu/pine.
It'd be great if Debian's pine was compiled with this. You still have
to add 'From' to the user-changeable fields in pine's setup, so a
'From' dialog does not show up unless you want to. IMHO its safe enough.

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AccelX

1998-03-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
How well does Accelerated X (a commercial X server from www.xig.com) work
with Debian GNU/Linux? Is there a Debian installer for it? Can I skip
installation of XFree if I buy AccelX (if so, won't Debian dependencies
of XFree give me problems)?

thanks
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APM HD Powerdown

1998-03-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I would like my IDE disks (I'd very much appciate a general solution too
which can be used on SCSI systems) to spin down when unmounted. Mounting
them would cause them to spin up again. Is this possible and how?

thanks

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hamm bugs

1998-03-02 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I tried to install the `hamm' distribution today on a fresh installation.
Is that not possible yet? Anyway, I encountered the following problems
during installation which might be of value to someone:

* The disk partitioning program did not work. When I created a maximum
  size partition it said it was 1 MB large. It also said that the previous
  partition (which I deleted) was 1 MB (it was not). The disk is 500 MB.
  I used the original `fdisk' program in another console and it worked.

*  The `adduser' program doesn't work. When I specify a user name and
   hit enter it responds with an error message that no user name was
   specified, and asks me for user name again. I had to kill the script.

* Install by FTP did not work. It says Perl 5.002 required--this is
  only version 5.00404 ... stopped /usr/lib/perl5/vars.pm line 3
  ... BEGIN failed...FTP.pm line 14 ... exit status 2.
  NFS seems to work though (tried ftp.leidenuniv.nl).

* Gives me some error messages about broken pipe when I have specified
  the NFS server and directory, but I don't think they are serious
  because installation continues.

* There are very strange dependencies. libc5 depends on libc6
  (=2.0.4-1) and libc6 conflicts with libc5 (5.4.33-7). Does this
  mean that it's impossible to install libc5? However, many programs
  depends on libc5. Installation aborts at the [I]nstall stage from
  dselect because of this (I believe).

* dselect is weird. Sometimes it unmounts the NFS-directory, sometimes
  not. If it is already mounted, [I]nstall compains that the directory
  already is mounted and won't continue. After trying a few times and
  getting stuck on the libc5 depencies, now it gives me
  internal error - no filename at -e line 12, P chunk 16..

Is hamm installable or should I stick to that old version?

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ethernet card (hamm)

1998-02-26 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I have decided to install something unixish on an old 486/33 which just
sits in the lab, which has a crashed MSwin311 installation and no one uses
it. I don't have much info on hardware but I've figured out most of it. The
network card has `SMC' printed on it so I choose the first SMC driver (I
think its called `ultra') and it detects the network card at 0x220 IRQ 10.

I installed hamm and it went very smoothly to just after the base disks
unpacking, where the machine locked up. Or at least I think it locked up,
it just sat silently with no `dialog box' on screen and appearently did
nothing for ten minutes, so I rebooted. I think this was the `configuring
modules' phase of installation. I just skipped this step and went on with
the configuration and installation of LILO.

Now I can't get networking to actually work. I can't ping anything except
the loopback (127.0.0.1) and my own IP address. Does the latter mean that
my network card works or does the packet never leave the machine?

`route' displays:
Destination  GatewayGenmask  Flags Metric Ref  Use Iface
localnet *  255.255.0.0  U 0  02   eth0
127.0.0.0*  255.0.0.0U 0  01   lo
default  correct  0.0.0.0  UG1  00   eth0
Where `correct' is the correct IP of my gateway (I choose not to write 
it down here of various reasons). It takes rather long time before the
third entry shows up, not minutes perhaps but many seconds. What does the
flags, metric, ref and use columns mean? I've compared the values with
other working installations so I suppose they are correct.

`ifconfig eth0' has the right IP, Bcast and Netmask -- but the wrong base
IO address. It says 0x230 and the module when loaded says 0x220. However,
when I try `ifconfig eth0 io_addr 0x220' it answers `SIOCSIFMAP: Operation
not supported'.

How do I proceed to locate the actual problem? (I mean: how do I find out
if the hardware is malfunctioning, if the module doesn't work with my card
or if there's a configuration problem?)

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Re: Linux Journal Reader's Choice Awards

1997-07-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Ralph Winslow wrote:

  claimed that Apache was used in about 50% of sites and Netscape/MS were
  barely more than 10 each!
 
 That jibes with the O'Reilly article; apache 60%, Netscape ~25%??, MS
 ~10%, the rest 7%.

A pity not too many people has discovered Roxen (www.roxen.com).

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Re: emacs and xemacs

1997-07-11 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Paul Miller wrote:

 I just installed Debian 1.3.1 and it wouldn't let me install emacs AND
 xemacs... one or the other.  How can I get both on my system?

Most probably you don't want both of them. XEmacs has more features than
GNU Emacs (if running under X), but hogs system resources even more. In
text mode, they're equivalent. Personally, I have a Pentium with 32 MB RAM
so I use XEmacs. Makes the GNUSCAPE (w3el) browser very good.

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Re: emacs doesn't use AUC TeX

1997-07-11 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I have installed the auctex package, but when I use emacs to edit a file
 with a .tex ending, AUC TeX is not invoked.  Why isn't it working?

You have to put it in your .emacsrc-file. I believe its all in the AUC TeX
documentation.

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Re: General colorization question

1997-07-11 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, David R. Kohel wrote:

 I'm looking for the equivalent of the /etc/DIR_COLORS in Slackware, 
 from where it is read, and where to specify that users' ~/.dircolors

Have you actually read the 'ls' manpage ?

man ls

(you can search for 'color')

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Re: XF_SVGA depenpencies

1997-07-03 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Will Lowe wrote:

  Should it not require xbase, or something like that?
 That DOES seem silly.

No, why? They _DO_ require xbase to work, don't they?

  Also, should we not have a RECOMMENDATION that the user installs the
  16-color X server whenever installing X (otherwise xf86setup is not

 I believe that Xbase requires XF86_VGA ... I think the packages are set up

No it does not. Also, a requirement is rather hard. A recommendation
should be enough.

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Re: Matlab for Debian?

1997-07-02 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:

  Can you get Matlab for Debian?  Someone told me that Matlab is
 
 Matlab is supported only my The Mathworks (I think that's the name of the 

Consider OCTAVE as well. It is free.
Personally, I love it. I prefer it to MatLab.
(..looks exactly like MatLab, too, although uses gnuplot for plotting)

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XF_SVGA depenpencies

1997-07-02 Thread Jonas Bofjall
A friend of mine made the mistake of only installing an X server during a
fresh Debian 1.3 installation. He had no dependency problems.

Should it not require xbase, or something like that?
Also, should we not have a RECOMMENDATION that the user installs the
16-color X server whenever installing X (otherwise xf86setup is not
installed!)? All the people I know who has installed Debian has made that
mistake (not installing the VGA16 server).

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Re: gs-aladdin pdf files

1997-06-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:

 I'm trying to print/view a pdf encrypted file without any success.

The US Government imposes export restrictions on crypto-related stuff, so
you will have to get the files from:

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geoffk/pdfencrypt/

.. to make ghostscript able to process encrypted files!

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Re: PDF Writer

1997-06-18 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Carlo U. Segre wrote:

 Does anyone know of a program which writes PDF files under Linux?

pdftex, is program that makes (La)TeX output PDF files instead
of the standard DVI. It's still in Beta though, but will probably
be included in the next teTeX-release (which Debian now uses).
Pictures are troublesome, except PNG's and JPEG's which are
easily included.
ghostscript, can convert postscript to PDF. However, it outputs
everyting as a bitmap, which makes it practically unusable.

Adobe Acrobat is not available for Linux, though it is available for
other unices. Maybe you can run it under some sort of binary
compatibility package?

I propose that you at least write a complaint letter to Adobe
for neglecting to port Acrobat to Linux (after all, the *have*
ported Acrobat Reader, so there should be no problems for them).

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Re: PASCAL for Linux

1997-06-01 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro wrote:

 I've been trying to download a PASCAL compiler for Linux and I've been 
 unsuccesful.  Every site I've gone to either has the wrong link on their 

The two major FREE Pascal compilers available are GNU and FPK Pascal.
I've tried them both, and IMHO GNU works much more reliable.
See for yourself. Their respective web pages lists FTP-sites and mirrors.
(btw, did you actually web search for this?? that is a very effecient
method which should not be underestimated)

GNU Pascal web page:
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~gnu-pascal/

FPK Pascal web page:
http://tfdec1.fys.kuleuven.ac.be/~michael/fpk.html

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Re: Where would I submit a new feature for the kernel?

1997-05-04 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 3 May 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:

 This is what caused me to finally break linux. I moved  OpenDOS from a
 primary (sda2) to a logical (sda5).

I know Solaris numbers disks differently, I think it is based on the disks
serial number. A very good solution, however, you get away from this sort
of problems. This is a good reason the Linux kernel should have a
dev-filesystem, much like the proc-filesystem is implemented in the
kernel. I've seen it has been on the 'Linux Kernel Wishlist' for a while,
and I have heard that its being worked on FreeBSD.
So, start kernelhacking :) !

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Re: clear screen on logout

1997-04-30 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Ryan Shaw wrote:

 i'd like the screen cleared on logout and the login prompt to appear at
 the top.  i've worked around this by using an alias in bashrc, but i'm

If you want if for every login, put a `clear screen' in your /etc/issue
like this:

clear  /tmp/banan
cat /etc/issue  /tmp/banan
mv /tmp/banan /etc/issue

and don't forget to change the issue.net too, if it isn't a link to issue!

Alternatively, you can use `mingetty' instead of whatever getty you use on
local logins. Something like this:
in your /etc/inittab change the gettys to something like:

1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1

and so on for as many virual consoles you'd like (not more than are
compiled into your kernel though..)

mingetty clears the screen before displaying the login prompt by default.
To learn more see `man mingetty'. I use mingetty for my local console.
Its advantage is the screen clearing but also it uses less memory than the
other gettys. Its disadvantage is that it is only for local logins, you
can't use it for serial lines (modems and such..).

I hope this solves your problem.

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Re: Change Keyboard configuration after installation???

1997-04-21 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Hong Huang wrote:

 I remember Keyboard got configured during installation. My question is:
 is it possible to change the keyboard configuration after installation?

Yes, it is. By using the 'loadkeys'-program. Use it to change your
keyboard layout. Put in somewhere in your boot files, preferably in:
/etc/init.d
(as it should be executed no matter what runlevel you are using)
Either make a new file there (it will automatically be executed if it has
its executable attribute bit on), or better yet, insert the command in the
file 'boot'. It is always executed. The command should look like:
loadkeys /etc/kbd/default.map

The .map-files are keyboard layouts. You can find a lot predefined in:
/usr/lib/kbd/keytables

but you can use any text editor (I myself prefer 'joe') to edit a file to
suit your needs... I have, I use my own keymap where the keys are where I
want them to be.

Feel free to ask if you need more help
(just don't forget 'man loadkeys')

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Re: Any recommendation about a good 3D video card?

1997-03-17 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 16 Mar 1997, Dany Dionne wrote:

 I'll buy a 3D video card this summer and i can expense 750$ (1000$
 Canadien). This card is to use in the developpment of a 3D environnement
 in OPENGL on PC. Do you have any recommendations? I don't know if it's a

I'd settle for those S3 based cards. S3 has 3D accelerators available
nowadays.. They have a good profile against software developers, and my
experience is that support is added to their products first. XFree has
always had good S3 support.

But you'd better check out whatever OpenGL library you are going to use
first. Mesa (for Debian Linux) is going to include some hardware support
soon, but you'd better check out their WWW page first.

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Re: /bin/sh != /bin/bash ? [was Re: zsh vs bash]

1997-03-14 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Steve wrote:

 The problem is that the scripts only work with bash in sh mode and not
 with sh-compatible shells such as ash. Try making /bin/sh a symlink to
 /bin/ash and reboot. You'll get error messages from the startup

So if these script doesn't work with ash nor zsh in sh-mode, then
shouldn't they be changed to #!/bin/bash ?

 Most people have no problem using ash or zsh for /bin/sh. But most
 people are not Debian users. :-/

I'd like to have zsh as my *only* shell on the system.
Apparently, this is not possible with Debian. What are those bash-specific
options you refer to? Could the scripts be changed to work with ash 
zsh's sh-compatible modes?

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Re: LARRY ELLISON

1997-03-12 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Britton wrote:

 Annoying isn't it?  Browsers can do a lot of things like this apparently,
 a fact which their makers arn't advertising.  Profiling = big money I

Of course their makers are advertising! They say that it conforms to the
CGI 1.0 specifications. Now what that is, is up to you to find out.
And it's not hard, Yahoo has every link you need. Ignorance is no excuse.

Would any of you mind telling a clueless person like myself, who this
Larry Ellison is? And what is so special about this page?
There was mostly links to itself... I didn't run that Java program though..

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Re: zsh vs bash

1997-03-09 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On 8 Mar 1997, Richard Sharman wrote:

[completion control]
   compctl (completion) has been setup to complete for a variable name
   if the command is export.   While the zsh seemed easier,  I guess
   the bash approach allows you to control it more.)

I hope that's a typo.. The zsh way is more powerful.
looking in /usr/doc/zsh/examples there are several examples of how
to use zsh's advanced completion control.

Example: if i type kill -Htab, zsh fills in UP.
Next, I type systab, and zsh fills in klogd.
The hyphen tells zsh that I want a signal to be completed,
and the kill starting the line tells zsh I want a job
to be completed.

[bash]
 * Ability to interactively define keyboard macros (similar to within

Tried the 'bindkey'-command yet?

I use zsh to have alt-d mapped to direnter, I also have alt-z
mapped to ../enter (making zsh go to parent directory). I have
alt-l mapped to pipelistenter. They prove very useful.

I also use bindkey to get INS and DEL keys working properly in the shell.

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Re: teTeX kind of broken

1997-03-02 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Christoph Martin wrote:

 Where do you want to put these instructions? I have posted
 instructions to debian-user and debian-devel. If you put it in the
 preinst script it is to late.

Isn't this something that whoever it is maintaining dselect should fix?
I don't think this approach (instructions how to remove...) is
enough user-friendly to include in the next Debian release..

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please

1997-02-28 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Carl Privitt wrote:

  How did [EMAIL PROTECTED] become _the_ Linux group?  These guys
  don't even have a web server or actual hosts in their domain.  Now if

Has linuxnet stepped forward somewhere and declared what they will do with
the money when (if) they win? Are we sure that all of the money will go to
Linux-related projects? I really don't know what linuxnet *is*, except the
second-hand information on this list that it's an IRC-network.

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Re: teTeX kind of broken

1997-02-28 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Marcelo Magallon wrote:

 The wierd thing is that dpkg --remove latex works...

That didn't work for me. I had to remove my previous Debian TeX
installation by *hand* (that is, using rm and not dpkg) because dpkg
just gave me script aborted with an error when trying to use it.

(After that, installation of teTeX went well...)

I've had this problem with other packages too. It is caused by
bad packaging, or what?

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

1997-02-20 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:

 First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
 no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a

Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...

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Re: ANNOUNCE: New Logo and Feedback Page for the Debian Logo (v7)

1997-02-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Daniel Stringfield wrote:

   Unless massive action is taken to avert this ominous development, the

 Personally, I hate the Penguins, except the ones that are the outline.  I

I think there should be RULES declaring that if any logotype for the Linux
project is present in the Debian logo, so should the GNU be!

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Re: Marimba - Bongo - Debian ...

1997-02-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Toens Bueker wrote:

 Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread
 I have installed jdk-common 1.0.2-4 and jdk-static 1.0.2-4.

I had the exact same problem when trying to run HotJava (a WWW-browser
from Sun). Someone around here told me that this was because I had an
old version of JDK. (I also have 1.0.2.) Too bad there is no Linux port
of any newer JDK. But hang around www.blackdown.org (home of Java on
Linux), and just wait... and wait... :) (or help?)

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Re: Automount (amd) cdrom and floppy

1997-02-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Hayao Nakahara wrote:

 Yes you can.
 The followings are some of my /etc/adm/amd.xxx files.
 On such configuration, I can 
   mount cdrom by accessing /l/cd,
   mount floppy with ext2 format by /l/fd
   mount floopy with fat format by /l/msdos.
 and explicitly umount cdrom by amq -u /l/cd, and so forth.

What I and many other DOS - Linux migrates wishes for, is a driver with
which I can remove my floppy at any time. This would require that the
floppy never is write cached. Once I heard of a program called SuperMount
which could do this, but I never got it to work (it was old, and required
kernel patching). What I really don't understand is if your amd stuff here
is a solution to this problem or not?

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Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote:

  Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it...
 
 Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your

Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these.
I still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea,
it gives the newbie some good information that normally is
hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command,
a terrific utility, always what the newbie wants.

I also think that these tips is not *instead* of the manual,
it is a complement. Something like:
ls can display different types of directory entries in
different colors, just type 'man ls' to see how.
is a good tip in my opinion (referring to a man page)

So, we'll see where this ends...

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RE: Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

 I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle
 or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as
 tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the

Don't know about fortune... it is a simple program to write though...
The below one prints a random cookie from a text file, in which the
cookies are separated by a blank space. I use it to print a random
Linux Cookie upon login and when someone views my Linux WWW Page
at http://es.matematik.su.se/~p96job/linux.html.
Takes its input from standard in, like in cook  cookiefile.txt.
Does only 1 pass though file, so it need not be seekable.
Feel free to find bugs... I have limited C skills...

-- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--

#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#define LF 10
 
void main() {
  char c;
  unsigned char skriv = 1;
  unsigned int nr = 1;
  unsigned int i = 0;
  char s[1024];
 
  srandom(time(0) + getpid());
  while ( (c=getc(stdin)) != EOF ) {
if (skriv)
  s[i++] = c;
if (c == LF) {
  c = getc(stdin);
  while ( (c == 32) || (c == 9) )
c = getc(stdin);
  if (c == LF) {
if (random() % ++nr)
  skriv = 0;
else {
  skriv = 1;
  i = 0;
}
  }
  else if (skriv)
s[i++] = c;
}
  }
  s[i] = 0;
  printf(%s, s);
}

-- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--

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Re: X windows

1997-01-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Rob MacWilliams wrote:

 I am running X using xdm.  Is there a more elegent way to go to the full
 screen consoles than kill xdm.  When I try to exit fvwm, on the middle

I don't know if I misunderstood your question...
how about just switching virtual console (ctrl-alt-f1) ?

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runlevels and modules

1997-01-19 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I have two small questions today ;) :

a) where can I find information about what the
   different debian run-levels are used for?
   0 is halt, 6 is reboot, 1 is singleuser, but
   what about the rest? Are there an multiuser with
   X and one without X?

b) when I do an 'lsmod' it says that appletalk, ipx
   and serial modules are installed. They are used
   by 0 (autoclean) or 1 (autoclean).
   What does autoclean mean? I think I should get rid
   of appletalk and ipx as I don't use them and they're
   just wasting my memory...

Thanks in advance... 

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Re: Tip of the day (was :Re: Documentation)

1997-01-15 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote:

  What about a Tip of the day package in place of fortune

 Just kidding!? Hey, this idea is not so bad actually! It may be a nuisance
 for experienced users but for newbies and stil not very experienced users

I think it is a great idea. As long as it is an Optional package, I don't
think anyone will complain. Shall we begin collecting Tips?

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-14 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote:

You're really losing the point here... what is in your mind, an EASY
 installation? A brain dead program, that does all your thinking for you?

Come on!!! All I was saying was that it is not CONSISTENT of dselect to
start a XF86Setup during the config phase if installed, but no xf86config,
not even a word about it. Not good for new users. If only the
documentation was good enough so you could read it there but it's out of
date. I was merely pointing it out.

   Look at Windows... and all the users running it, with its idiot proof
 user interface? You want to make a Debian shot at where Microsoft is failing

I stopped reading here, and I hope I will not receive any
further replies from you.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-12 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Pete Templin wrote:

  No, this is wrong. A new user should not have to read long documents prior
 
 I disagree.  You should understand what you are doing.  If you don't even
 want to know what is going and how you are to use it, what is the point of
 having it?  Bragging to your friends?

I guess you people are right about that of course any user should follow
instructions. But that is no reason why installation is harder than it has
to be. Then why do we have dselect in the first place? Just supply dpkg
and a complete manual and we would not have any problems? Right?

No! Installation should be as easy as possible. Our goal should be to make
it so easy that no one has to look in the manual. And we're not far from
there. I gave my two friends rex and told them to install it, after having
saying good things about it for several months. Neither of them have used
any unix before. Both made very few mistakes. I see this as a success for
Debian, BUT, both made the mistake i posted about. So making this clearer
would make installation easier, at least for some people.
Easier installation is Good.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-11 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Chow Chi-Ming wrote:

 Then I don't think it can be considered a bug per se.  If XF86Setup is

Neither do I.

 not on your system, you are not expected to run it.  You must come
 across XF86Setup from some other documents and from the same source

Yes, but as a totally new user, how am I expected to know.
I propose any of the following solutions:
  1) Put some notice in the installation process, making the user
 aware that he/she *must* install vga16 if he/she is a newbie.
 Maybe in the configuration script (sorry, but if you wish to
 configure this you need to install vga16).
  2) Create some sort of dependencies to force the inexperienced
 user to install vga16.
  3) Run xf86config instead of XF86Setup during configuration,
 if the XF86Setup isn't available. There should also be a notice
 like you'll get a much nicer graphical setup if you install vga16.

 serious one.  How would you know that you can use XF86Setup and that
 vga16 has to be installed without consulting docs.  The same applies

No, this is wrong. A new user should not have to read long documents prior
to installation. The configure scripts which runs directly after the
installation should make reading docs unnecessary.

My totally-newbie friends were both given rex of my HD. They both called
me after installation and asked how to get X started. Neither had
configured X in any way. How are they supposed to know?
The post-install configure script should take care of it. 

 What we can do, I think, in Debian is that in each of the post-install
 scripts of xservers (except vga16 obviously), check the existance of
 XF86Setup.  If it is not found, offer an option to users to install
 vga16 and get the nice XF86Setup ``or'' start xf86config if the user

A very good idea! But it the user hasn't got XF86Setup he should be told
so, and told what it is and how to install it.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-08 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:

 In concept, dselect is great. It's an attempt to create a user interface
 that's not based on the window/pulldown menu interface that (I believe) is

I totally agree with you.

What often confuses me about dselect is that it sometimes when running
into dependency conflicts changes my tagging (which packages to install).
This takes control from the user, which should be avoided.

About what could be made easier in Debian:
I gave Debian 1.2 to two people who has little or no experience with
Linux. They both made the same mistake, not installing the 16 color X
server. This should be clarified, that you will need it because it
provides things essential to configuring X.

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Re: motd

1997-01-08 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote:

 Is there any way of modifying the message before the login prompt? or,

How about editing /etc/issue?
(and issue.net, which I think is a symlink to issue in Debian)

 failing this, is there any way of adding a message before the login:

/etc/motd ?

I think these files contains some Debian copyright messages by default.
Edit freely...

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Re: Interviews...

1997-01-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:

 Yes indeed!  Fresco is the replacement for interviews.  The
 development is sponsored by the X consortium.  It breaks new
 ground by providing distributed graphics using the CORBA model.

That wounds interesting. Do you think you can tell us more?
Why is the X consortium sponsoring Fresco? What is CORBA?

 my debian system.  Once I find some time, I plan on
 producing a debian package.

Good idea!

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Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.

1997-01-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote:

 Very good idea! The advantage of teTex is that it is complete with all
 bells and whistles described in the LaTeX Book and the LaTeX Companion
 and that it is an implementation which adheres to the TDS (TeX Directory 

Then I guess I should be installing teTeX as well. I need to do some
TeX'ing but the standard Debian TeX package always seems to come up with a
new problem once I fixed one. The standard TeX package in Debian, is it
a completely new TeX distribution or is it based on some other?
Do you know what NTeX is? I was told it was a good TeX distribution, but
maybe I should try teTeX instead.

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Re: ping reply without OS

1997-01-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 Huh? Linux will issue HLT instructions when not doing anything else.
 However, HLT does not really halt the machine, like when you're finished
 using it, but only until the next interrupt. Yes, HLT does lower
 power consumption. On a Cyrix 6x86 CPU, with suspend on HLT enabled,
 power consumption changes from 24W to 0.3W. This is enough to hear
 a difference in CPU fan speed. (I am running this hardware here.)

I heard something on comp.os.linux that enabling the CPU suspend on HLT
crashed someone's system. Do you know anything more about this?
Have you experienced any problems?
(I am running C-6x86 as well.)

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Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.

1997-01-05 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote:

 promised that this release will be a 100% uptodate as well. :-) Maybe you
 should really wait for the brandnew teTeX before you bother about

If it is just a week or two I'll rather wait. I like what I hear :)
Someone actually told me that I should install teTeX maybe a month ago
when I was running 0.93R6 but then 1.2 came and I tried its TeX instead.
It is better, but not good.

 Looks rather like a basic LaTeX/TeX system tailored especially for Debian
 than a distribution of some sort. But OTOH i never tried it out giving it

Well... Maybe there should be put together a Debian teTeX package.
The maintainer of the current Debian TeX package maybe should spend his
time helping teTeX instead of his own stuff. But I suppose he's got a
reason not to do so... What is better about Debian TeX, anyone?

 NTeX is a very large TeX distribution which was usually provided with
 Slackware and which is not as well designed and maintained as teTeX. If i

Then I will go for teTeX instead.

I tried searching around for teTeX whis morning, and I found a lot of
FTP-sites carrying the files, I also found the maintainer's address and
the mailing-list. BUT do you know if there is a teTeX web-page somewhere,
where some general information, maybe some installation help and useful
links exists? Anyone?

thanks...

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Re: Problems with Talk under Debian

1996-12-25 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Gerry Jensen wrote:

 I had trouble with this too.  I believe one problem is that the host name
 of your machine must match the IP address of your machine.  Otherwise,

thank you for this information! I've had this problem too ;)

 And lastly, Sun's talk seems to be incompatible with just about every
 other OS's talk that I've tried, including Linux.  So, if you're trying to

At least on my schools sun's running SunOS, they've got at least two, but
I think three talk-clients. Maybe you should try some other.. When someone
requests a talk with me when I use my school's sun the talk daemon tells
me which talk-client to use.

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Re: libXt.so.6

1996-12-25 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, James W. Tucker wrote:

 I've installed Debian 1.2 from scratch but dpkg indicates that it
 can't find libXt.so.6 when I try to install the texbin package.  I did

I've had exactly the same problem, so it might be common.
I don't know how to fix this (I used dpkg to force the install,
but I guess not that is not the wat to fix this problem..)
So I am very anxious to find out what the problem is??
someone?

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Re: 1.2 release?

1996-12-15 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

 The distribution has gotten so large that 1.2 barely fits on a CD, 

How can you say that?
I downloaded the whole rex (1.2) yesterday, including contrib, non-free,
and non-us. Also all the disk images. This was in total just above 300 MB.
Did I miss something?

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Re: PGP

1996-12-10 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Daniel Stringfield wrote:

 From what I understand, PGP 'international' is not supposed to be used in
 the US, and the US version is not supposed to be use outside of the US. 
 Is this right?  Which one should I be using?

1) That is completely right.
2) The i-version since it is better, unless you live in USA *and*
   you are an extremely law-abiding person (no matter how stupid the
   laws are) who never used pirated software or music.

If you want to know more about the i-version, look at:
http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/

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Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client)

1996-12-06 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Fabien Ninoles wrote:

 Heard about this client... Those someone if there are a Linux equivalent
 of this telnet-with-zmodem client? Can be really cool.

A Linux telnet-terminal (and serial too) with zmodem?
I think 'ecu' does this.

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Re: Linux and 6x86

1996-12-03 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, GREENE  KENNETH ADAM wrote:

 I was wondering about Linux and the Cyrix/IBM 6x86
 (specifically P120).  Does Linux support it

I am running Debian GNU/Linux on an Cyrix/IBM P-150+ and it runs like a
charm. No problems (yet). I am sporadically running maybe an hour a day
for three or four months now. X works as well.

 I know some video games don't support 
 the chip (or the chip doesn't support them |-). 

What?! Could you please post me more info about this.
Which ones? I know Quake runs a little bit slower on Cyrixes because of
the slower fpu (but still a lot faster per dollar than the pentium!!),
and NT 4 has somewhat degraded performance which can be fixed with a
patch. But so far (until now :) ) I haven't heard of *anything* that
doesn't run at all on a Cyrix.

 If it is supported, does everything run OK.

AFAIK yes. I have seen some Cyrix kernel patches (on the Linux v2 info
HQ), but I don't know what they actually do as I haven't tried them.
There is also some programs which can view some Cyrix-specific registers
but I haven't looked at them since I don't understand its uses.

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LaTeX question?

1996-12-01 Thread Jonas Bofjall
I have a feeling that this question is very off-topic here, but in that
case I would appreciate if I am told where it is not. I installed Debian
on a computer mainly to run LaTeX, but I don't understand really what I
need to do. I installed almost everything on the TeX disks.
When I try to run latex it just complains that it can't find the default
format files (or something). I found out from reading the man-pages over
and over again that if I run amstex instead, it doesn't complain about
that. But it still doesn't work. It doesn't recognize most of my commands,
for example \documentclass or \usepackage. Why is this and how does this
work? There is some information in the doc directory but I can't typeset
it! Any help is appreciated..

   // Jonas


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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, William Burrow wrote:

 While the Qt authors may have different concerns than Knuth does over 
 TeX, the idea may be the same:  modified versions may reflect badly on 
 Troll Tech.

This is not the whole story, since it is only their X version that is free
for non-commercial use. Porting your free app to, say, MSwin just isn't
possible, and porting is the whole point of using GUI libraries.

V is free under the GPL (that is, not only for non-commercial use!) for
all its platforms and should be preferred.

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to wait or not to wait

1996-11-03 Thread Jonas Bofjall
When can we users expect to see the newly released XFree 3.2 in the Debian
distribution? I need it for my virge-card to work, and I wonder if I
should download buzz-fixed and then XFree 3.2 separately or wait until it
is included in rex ?

BTW, how unstable is rex? Should I download it instead of buzz-fixed?
or is it really unstable??

thanks..

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