Xfree86 4.2.XXX
I've recently gotten a new laptop, a Toshiba Satellite Pro 6000 (a model that came out early last year). It's got a Trident CyberBlade XP Ail graphics adapter. I've been trying to get X support for it, and have come to the following conclusions: * XFree86 (hereafter referred to as simply X) 4.2.0 appears to support the card, but only in framebuffer mode. * I also hear there is support in non-framebuffer mode, but it's unaccellerated. * Looking at the XFree86 site, they have just added accelerated support to the X 4.2.99 snapshot. So - I'm interested in getting the latest source and compling it myself. The problem is Debian. I have potato installed, which of course uses X 3.3.6 (which by the way isn't even supported by XFree86 anymore it's so old). There are no X 4.2.0 debs to be found for potato (hell, 4.1 for potato is still a development release!!), so that option is pretty much out. I'm not quite ready to switch to Woody yet although even if I did that wouldn't solve my problem. I can install the X 4.2.99 snapshot. My question is, what about Debian's dependencies? I plan on installing a large amount of X stuff (KDE, OpenOffice, etc.), and I know that those packages are going to have dependencies on X software. However, since I'm not installing from .deb files, how do I go about doing this? Is there a way to make it look like the packages are installed so I don't have to worry about X dependencies? And looking down the road (albiet probably more than a year from now) when there are .debs for X 4.3.0 (the upcoming release), what would I need to change to start using the .debs again? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -Jay
Re: GNOME vs. KDE
In a message dated 5/21/99 8:57:15 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1.Is Debian more leaning towards KDE or is this just 'news' from the Corel folks? Is there a reason why they chose KDE and not GNOME? Debian doesn't lean toward either of them - in fact, it is staying neutral. That's one of the great concepts behind Debian - let the user choose what he needs/wants. As for Corel, they chose KDE for one main reason - KDE is more mature than GNOME is, simply by the fact that it has been around longer. 2. Which is faster? Too many factors to determine, but I'd guess they are both similar. It all depends on desktops, window managers, installed extras, PCs used, servers video cards used... GNOME appeared to run slower on my machine than KDE, but I'd attribute that to all the crap that Enlightenment loads by default - 90% of which is not only grotesque, but useless - IMHO of course. :) (Enlightenment is currenlty the only window-manager that fully supports GNOME). 3. Which uses less memory and is more stable? I don't know about memory requirements, but KDE appears to be more stable, at least in my experience. I haven't used GNOME in a couple of months, so that may be changing. I know one thing - I haven't had a lockup or crash with KDE Yet - and I've been using it since pre-1.0 versions. 4. I heard GNOME uses CORBA. What advantage does this give from a system perspective where multiple applications are running? That one I can't answer.
Re: Cannot launch WordPerfect.
In a message dated 5/21/99 12:04:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having a problem running WordPerfect for Linux. Specifically, it says can't load library libXmp.so.4, which seems to be a symlink to libXmp.so.10. Would appreciate any help. Thanks! You need the libc5 version of these libraries... -Jay
Re: GNOME vs. KDE
In a message dated 5/21/99 3:13:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Enlightenment is currenlty the only window-manager that fully supports GNOME). this might be true to a degree, but it is a gross overstatement to say that GNOME requires one to use Enlightenment. I'm using Gnome with icewm, and it runs well enough (on a P75) to use full-time. It's fast and stable. If I need to run in 8bpp color mode, I use fvwm, and I'm still not missing out on much. You're quite right, and my statement didn't intend to imply that Enlightenment was your only choice; I'm just quoting the GNOME docs. Also, I believe icewm is next in line as far as full-support-of-GNOME goes. Frankly, I would't know the difference... I haven't run GNOME enough to find the incompatible functions. ;) -Jay
Re: packages for dialing isp
In a message dated 5/13/99 5:24:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about x-isp or kppp (for KDE users)? If you use x-isp (you can search xisp on Yahoo for the URL) you will first need to install xforms. I might have the URL for x-isp. I will send it to you if I find it. kppp is for KDE but xisp will work with any window manager. YMMV - I tried KPPP (I do have KDE installed) and could never get a successfull connection. I can dial using any other means without problems, but KPPP refuses to do the job. XISP is nice, but I couldn't get it to dial over 38,000kbps for me for some reason. WVDial is what I use now. It's not graphic, but does the job, and does it well. I'd love to find an app that works AND will dock in KDE's panel - but so far, no such luck. -Jay
Re: packages for dialing isp
While I don't connect to AOL directly - I go thru my ISP - this is basically what I do when I need a connection. -Jay
Re: KDE.. a few small problems but WOW!!
In a message dated 5/14/99 9:43:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really only have 1 complaint and thats that I simply can not figure out how to use rxvts in KDE. While I can open them they are always off to the top/left hand side of the screen and pushed off almost completely. I can only see the very edge of it on the screen. Can anyone tell me how to use an rxvt in KDE?? Forget it. Use kvt, it's derived from rxvt and as of 1.1.1 works pretty well. Change the default to a login shell, though. I spent some time trying to make either rxvt or xterm work (albeit with an earlier version) and finally gave up. Nothing really wrong with the kvt once you get it set up the way you want it (IMHO). I don't know squat about rxvts - but I can say this much - I had to do some work with KDE and non-KDE apps before I could really use things efiiciently. I run off a laptop and almost all my windows were of the boundaries of the screen. The fix is easy - it involves using the -geometry option in your command lines to start given apps, or creating entries in your Xresources files to do basically the same thing. -Jay
Re: wordperfect
In a message dated 5/12/99 12:00:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wordperfect runs, but the pictures and banners and icons are all scrambled. When it is starting up the banner that is supposed to have a pen on it and say Wordperfect is just a scrambled mess of vertical lines. Once it starts, all of the icons loook the My guess is you're using a resolution of 24bpp - don't - WP (and Netscape for that matter) won't support it. -Jay
Re: KDE -- please help!
In a message dated 5/12/99 11:19:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i'm still getting that mysterious error message in my xsession-errors files: Could not read '/tmp//kfm-cache-0/index.txt I know this isn't a solution - but I' ve been getting that message for what seems like ever, and it has never seemed to cause me any problems... I would be interested to know what causes it - and frankly, I haven't checked the message archives for it. -Jay
Re: Netscape icons not in color-WHY?
Are you running in 24bpp mode? Netscape and WP don't seem to support 24bpp - try 32 or 16. -Jay
Re: X server crash.
In a message dated 5/7/99 8:08:40 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If X can detect that you don't have any valid modes, it obviously can make some decisions on what settings are valid for your card - so, why can't X just set the values for you? No idea why it can't. The whole purpose of xf86config is to configure system the way you want, if you can. It is not much extra work to change a mode from 1280x1024 to something smaller, if X can not run in that mode (which still remains a mystery for me, why on my old monitor X refused to run in 1280x1024 mode, even though it said it was able to. It was 14 anyway, so nothing above 1024x768 did no good, but still interesting). If we make X 'guess' what modes to run, we will be on the way to making X some kind of MS product, where it is Here is what I can do, take it or leave it. On the same note, why not have X autodetect the card and set up all the settings, so an average Joe can go and buy RH CD and brag about having installed Linux on his computer. There is some need for user-friendliness, true. But why make everything too easy? The easier software is to use , the bulkier it is. What would you rather have, a super user-friendly program that is slow and bulky, or an efficient fast program, which is a bit complex to confiigure? Don't take this in any way personally, but ... horsehockey. :) Having X detect all the valid modes doesn't mean that you lose the ability to choose what's best for you, nor does it mean that we are that much closer to cloning Windows. What it does mean is that for those of us (like myself) that buy old, used monitors and simply can't find any documentation, X can make some educated guesses as to what modes are valid for a given system. It also means that newbies don't have to mess with modelines during installation if they don't want to; they can always learn about them later. My thought was that X could detect all possible modes, then write them out to the config file - then give the user the chance to decide what options they would like to make default options. xf86config does this somewhat, after you give it the settings for your card, it asks you what order you'd like the modes to be in. And if program size is an issue - why not create a separate app that'll do this instead? I certainly would hope that making things easier to use doesn't necessarily mean that those of you that enjoy writing modelines no longer have that capability - it just provides some intuitiveness for those of us that don't like writing mode lines. -Jay
Re: X server crash.
In a message dated 5/6/99 7:06:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No valid modes comes from the fact that resolutions and bpp you want the X to run at do not match your system's capabilities. So, here's a question for someone that wants to take a stab at it... If X can detect that you don't have any valid modes, it obviously can make some decisions on what settings are valid for your card - so, why can't X just set the values for you? -Jay
Re: Kernel-Package problems
In a message dated 5/4/99 8:16:11 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone ever encountered the trouble with Kernel-package that does not make the symbolic link in /usr/src/linux? This seems to be my trouble. I have the source tarballs in /usr/src but no /usr/src/linux. Any help I'd be greatly appreciative... thanks :) Yah, I suppose - my kernel-package didn't make the symlink either - but the docs mentioned I should have it, so I created it myself. -Jay
Re: XDM to KDM
Check the archives for a post from me on the start-kdm line - I uploaded a version of the startup files that allows the start-kdm or start-xdm line to be places in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options. -Jay
Re: problems with netscape
You probably have the libc6 version of xpm - you'll need to get the libc5 version. -Jay
Re: How to check the amount of free disk space?
In a message dated 5/5/99 10:56:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is probably a very stupid question, but I haven't been able to find the answer to it myself. In DOS it was very easy to check the amount of free disk space, just type dir and the amount of free disk space is shown at the bottom of the list. Now I have installed Debian on a 850 MB disk and I realy have no idea of how much free disk space I have. What command do I need to use to find out how much free disk space I have left? df will show you how much free space you have in native Linux terms df -h will show you the same thing, but it more readable terms. -Jay
Re: Help files
In a message dated 5/5/99 12:23:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I understand, I am supose to be able to get help on the Debian system but every time I have tried, I get a search box and I get nothing replying to any search command that I give it. What do I do to fix it so I get some help? If the web site isn't working, you have other options: * man pages - these are the starting point for information. For example, to get help on X, type 'man X' * info pages - work the same as man pages, and in fact are the next level of help. * HOWTOs - these are in your /usr/doc dir, and contain bunches of help for getting this going. * list archives - on the debian site, go to the mailing list archives and search there * you can always ask for help here.
Re: Preventing xdm from starting
In a message dated 4/30/99 4:46:11 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I installed X on my slink dist, xdm starts automaticly when I boot my computer. Normally, this is no problem, but in some circumstances I would like to quit X (ie to rebuild the kernel). My question is: How do I kill xdm, or prevent xdm from starting at boot-time (so I can start X with the startx command)? To stop xdm, execute: /etc/init.d/xdm stop There are numerous ways to prevent xdm from starting - but I'd rather not name them here (again) as they are surely in the mail archives. -Jay
Programming with QT
For those interested, this came over the KDE list today - it's yet another O'Reilly Associates book - this one on programming with the QT libraries... http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/prowqt/ Programming with Qt By Matthias Kalle Dalheimer 1st Edition April 1999 1-56592-588-2, Order Number: 5882 384 pages, $32.95
Re: Preventing xdm from starting
In a message dated 4/30/99 8:03:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I think there is a better way but I don't have a debian system now so the file names can changed. In the /etc/X11 directory, in a file named config, you have the line xdm- start or start-xdm. Change it in no-xdm-start or no-start-xdm or comment out it. When the script /etc/init.d/xdm runs, it tests the presence of xdm-start line. If it doesn't find it, it doesn't launch xdm. This approach doesn't work in slink because the /etc/X11/options file doesn't exist. -Jay
Re: KDE and .Xdefaults
In a message dated 4/29/99 12:06:22 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best solution I've found: Create an applink in Desktop/Autostart (i.e. New-Application). In the Execute line put xrdb -load $HOME/.Xdefaults and another one for .xinitrc. By the way, xrdb -merge does not work well, xrdb -load is ok. What exactly does -merge does not work well mean? I've been using it with no problems so far, is there something I should watch out for? -Jay
Re: system shutdown from xdm
In a message dated 4/28/99 11:34:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not a Bad Idea (tm) but I dont use xdm. kdm has a button Shutdown which kinda makes it easy. I do like the shutdown button of KDE - but it would be more useful if you didn't have to log out first to get to it. :) -Jay
Re: Hit by virus !? Help, please...
In a message dated 4/28/99 10:25:05 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It deletes your BIOS after writing over the disk ... not just the partition table. Could someone give an opinion on turning on Antivirus feature in the motherboard BIOS? I recall hearing once that it should be avoided, but I can't remember the arguments. On my latop, I have the same setting... and it controls whether or not I can overwrite the MBR on my HD. Assuming I don't plan on partioning my drive, I can set this switch to prevent anyone else from doing so. Unfortunately, it doesn't protect the BIOS itself. -Jay
Re: Writing CRON job to null.
In a message dated 4/27/99 3:36:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does the 2 and 1 stand for, and the ? One is standard output, right? 21 is the Linux was of saying - send all the standard output (1) and error msgs (2) to a file. The is necessary syntax to make it work. -Jay
Re: Netscape install problem
In a message dated 4/27/99 11:02:19 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have installed netscape 4.5, but when try to start it I get the following error: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4' I have tried to find a library with such name, but I could not find it. Can anybody help me out here, please? To find what file is in what packages, search the Contents file. For example: grep libXpm.so.4 Contents-i386 The short answer you need the xpm4.7 (I think that's the name of it) package. Depending on whether your Netscape needs libc5 or libc6, you'll need the corresponding version of xpm. -Jay
Re: Hit by virus !? Help, please...
I'm curious about virii and Linux... Am I wrong to assume that Linux is not immune to virii (I don't even know if virii is a word - but it just sounds cool :) ? Obviously the security features of Linux can prevent some virii from affecting certain files on your system... but what about the boot sector? And what if you happen to be su'd or logged in as root when you get (and heaven forbid) execute an infected program? Is there a need for virus scanning software on Linux? My guess is Linux isn't a targe right now because of it's lack of market share - but as more users realize that Linux is better than Windows (imho), I would imagine that virus software will start appearing in our beloved OS as well. -Jay
Re: Lothar Project
Three whips of the noodle for Sami for attempting to start the KDE/Gnome flame war again. :) I think a better approach would be to make it either non-X related, or make it xlothar - so there remains a choice in desktop environments while still being able to use this great functionality. -Jay In a message dated 4/27/99 3:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Desktop Manager is KDE and Debian doesn't have KDE package (It's better like this). So Debin could make another project : glothar wich includes gnome instead of KDE On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 09:51:25AM -0400, Brian Schramm wrote: Sticking with the idea of making Linux (Debian) easier to install, has any of the Debian geniuses looked at the Lothar Project? I think it would be easy to start putting into that project and get the Debian distribution better for it. I am not that good of a programmer but I know that Debian has the best programmers on the team.
Re: A lot of questions
In a message dated 4/22/99 11:28:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3 I don't want to excute xdm at the boot. When I check my /etc/X11/config, it said no-start-xdm. I don't know how to boot to text start. I have installed hamm, and upgrade to slink. After I upgrade to slink, my debian start xdm at boot time. The options file is not used in slink, or rather - it was moved to /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options. Also, if you never want xdm to start, remove the xdm package. -Jay
Re: xkilled app takes 100% of CPU
In a message dated 4/23/99 8:13:15 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No matter what signals I sent to 362 and 363, I couldn't change anything. I tried kill and killall. I had to reboot because I felt sorry for my poor overworked overclocked Celeron. :) So, what do you generally do with unkillable apps? I know there must be a way to do it w/o rebooting. Did you kill -9 or kill -12? kill -12 seems to work with Netscape hangups - which I also get frequently... -Jay
Re: KDM vs XDM
In a message dated 4/22/99 12:26:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should find a command called switchdm (I think it is in /usr/sbin/switchdm but my Debian/KDE box is at home). Run this as root and it will ask you if you want [1] xdm, [2] kdm or [3] Neither. Press 2 and you should have kdm next time you restart X. Ran switchdm but I do not have an /etc/X11/config file, which switchdm relies on. I am running slink and recent versions of XFree86, KDE, etc. Isn't there a different file that slink uses to control its login manager settings? The options file only had an entry that instructed Linux whether or not to start xdm, not whether it should start xdm or kdm... However, if you put a start-kdm line in options, and change your startup scripts to recognize the new line, it'll work as the start-xdm line does. However, all of this is moot - you're running slink, and the options file isn't used in slink. So, I still say, just save your old xdm binary and put the new kdm in it's place. -Jay
Re: KDM vs XDM
In a message dated 4/22/99 12:34:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks. I am still kind of a newbie at this. Words like binary and
compile the kernel and other threatening words like that, I've steered
clear of. Could you help me know exactly what you mean when you say save
your old xdm binary and put the new kdm in it's place?
Sure. :)
First off, I just checked my laptop (where I run my slink box) and it turns
out I went about it the long way and modified my scripts to recognize
start-kdm as well as start-xdm. So, let me give you both ways..
1) The easiest way, but probably not the best way, is to rename your binaries.
cd /usr/X11R6/bin
mv xdm xdm.orig
ln -s kdm xdm
2) The other way is more involved, but probably closer to The Debian Way.
In /etc/X11/xdm, there is a file called xdm.options. That is hamm's
options file,
basically. If there's a line in it that reads start-xdm, change it
to
no-start-xdm. Then, add a line start-kdm below that. (PS - You
can
turn off kdm by changing it to no-start-kdm). You can't have both
on
tho - the script I'm about to give you will complain.
Then, cd /etc/init.d and mv xdm xdm.orig. This saves off your
original
start xdm script just in case you want it back.
Now, still in the init.d dir, take the attached file and save it as
xdm.
Hope that helps.
Jay
#!/bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/xdm: start or stop the X display manager
set -e
START_XDM=
START_KDM=
if grep -s ^start-xdm /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
START_XDM=yes
fi
if grep -s ^start-kdm /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
START_KDM=yes
fi
if [ $START_KDM ]; then
if [ $START_XDM ]; then
echo Unable to start both xdm and kdm!
exit 1
fi
else
if [ ! $START_XDM ]; then
echo Nothing to start!
exit 0
fi
fi
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
XDMDAEMON=/usr/bin/X11/xdm
KDMDAEMON=/usr/bin/X11/kdm
PIDFILE=/var/run/xdm.pid
if [ $START_XDM ]; then
test -x $XDMDAEMON || exit 0
fi
if [ $START_KDM ]; then
test -x $KDMDAEMON || exit 0
fi
if grep -qs ^check-local-xserver /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
if head -1 /etc/X11/Xserver 2 /dev/null | grep -q Xsun; then
# the Xsun X servers do not use XF86Config
CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER=
else
CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER=yes
fi
fi
case $1 in
start)
if [ $CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER ]; then
problem=yes
echo -n Checking for valid XFree86 server configuration...
if [ -e /etc/X11/XF86Config ]; then
if [ -x /usr/sbin/parse-xf86config ]; then
if parse-xf86config --quiet --nowarning --noadvisory
/etc/X11/XF86Config; then
problem=
else
echo error in configuration file.
fi
else
echo unable to check.
fi
else
echo file not found.
fi
if [ $problem ]; then
echo Not starting X display manager.
exit 1
else
echo done.
fi
fi
if [ $START_XDM ]; then
echo -n Starting X display manager: xdm
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pid $PIDFILE --exec $XDMDAEMON ||
echo -n already running
else
echo -n Starting X display manager: kdm
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pid $PIDFILE --exec $KDMDAEMON ||
echo -n already running
fi
echo .
;;
restart)
/etc/init.d/xdm stop
/etc/init.d/xdm start
;;
reload)
echo -n Reloading X display manager configuration...
if start-stop-daemon --stop --signal 1 --quiet --pid $PIDFILE; then
echo done.
else
if [ $START_XDM ]; then
echo xdm not running.
else
echo kdm not running.
fi
fi
;;
force-reload)
/etc/init.d/xdm reload
;;
stop)
if [ $START_XDM ]; then
echo -n Stopping X display manager: xdm
else
echo -n Stopping X display manager: kdm
fi
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pid $PIDFILE || echo -n not running
echo .
;;
*)
echo Usage: /etc/init.d/xdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}
exit 1
;;
esac
exit 0
Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE
In a message dated 4/22/99 3:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome. KDE is not free or not fully free. As stated in the release that came out a few days ago - it had to do with the fact that KDE has been around longer - and is more refined. It's worse than Gnome : I disagree. - it takes more memory True - maybe because it's more advanced? - it's not GTK ( I'm a GTk fan) - I will have less apps because Gnome is newer and has, I think, already a lot of apps compared to KDE which is older. I would say KDE has the edge on number of apps. - I don't remember other reasons but GNOME is greater ! We could argue that... ;) -Jay
Re: Debian/Redhat Alliance
In a message dated 4/20/99 2:20:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As soon as I get a chance I am going to write an article recommending that Redhat and Debian form an alliance. Redhat becomes the distributor to 1) commercial operations and 2) people who are only interested in being free software consumers. And what makes you think that Redhat will want to keep Debian a separate entity? I'd say they'd just get rid of the Debian nusiance and incorporate what we have into Redhat's distro. It'd make no sense for them not to. People interested in becoming a volunteer producer, in the free software community, will more likely use the Debian distribution. Debian will become the nexus of the volunteer based, development community. And if you give Debian to Redhat, the Debian distribution will be gone - as will it's network of volunteer developers. One missing ingredient is a commercial operation that will be the Redhat equivalent distributor of the Debian distribution. Another missing ingredient is the site that will provide the Volunteer Registry, the Project Registry and the Volunteer/Projec t Match facility. This distributor (with Registries) will become the gentle onramp for wannabe free software volunteers. There is another ingredient but I cannot discuss it at this time. Our distribution is fine - FTP is easily accessible, as are many of the CD providers. Evidently, the distribution isn't up to your standards, but for my purposes, and I'm sure for other's here, Debian via FTP is more than adequate. As for the missing ingredient being a commercial operation, this is EXACTLY why Debian is a better distro. Commercializing Debian will generate the same issues Redhat is experiencing, flawed packages, growth beyond it's means, lack of support for bugs... Anyone wanting to volunteer time, should join the Debian community. Free software, documentation, databases, images, poetry, literature, etc. will be developed and tested within the Debian community. Software will flow from Debian to Redhat, for com mercial packaging and distribution. The distributions must become aligned towards this goal for it to work smoothly. Again, all of this is pointless since Debian will no longer be owned by it's volunteers, but by the coporation. That's the picture I intend to promote. Please don't do this. I'll second that. If you want to promote commercial distros of Linux, join the Redhat team - but leave Debian out of it.
Re: WordPerfect for Linux installation problem...
In a message dated 4/15/99 7:46:00 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I downloaded WordPerfect for Linux (an X application), gunzipped it to a tar file and then ran tar on it to extract about 8 or 9 files plus Runme (the installer script) and readme (the info and instructions). I put the lot in /tmp on my filesystem. I run Runme and it starts unpacking stuff, and then there are a whole list of messages as to how it couldn't find such and such a directory for CHMOD. At the end it asks me for my installation directory (I suppose I'm expected to say what directory I want WordPerfect installed in), and when I enter a new directory name, it says that it's no good. You don't have all the libraries you need installed. Please check with linux.corel.com and make sure you have everything you need. In particular, make sure you have the libc versions installed. -Jay
Re: WordPerfect for Linux installation problem...
The libraries Jan menionted (included at the end of this post) are the files you need to make the install work. You need the xlib, xpm, and licb5 installed. The xlib and xpm need to be libc5 versions - you may already have then libc6 versions installed as well. -Jay In a message dated 4/15/99 10:06:14 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi again, Thanks for the info, although I had a good look at the page on linux.corel.com where I got the file from, and really didn't see anything (nothing like reading the instructions before doing something!). However, I just looked again and they posted the following update: DO NOT INSTALL Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux as root. As far as I can see, this is probably not related to my problem, but look at this: http://linux.corel.com/linux8/tlinuxfix.htm David Jan Muszynski wrote: Wordperfect depends on libc5 (It does say this somewhere, maybe on the website? I forget where, but I did see it before I installed) Slink is not libc5 based, so you need to install the libc5 packages. at a minimum you'll need xpm4.7 you'll also need (but may find them already installed) libc5 xlib6 libm.so.5 is part of xpm4.7
Re: WordPerfect for Linux installation problem...
In a message dated 4/15/99 12:54:58 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think I can delete all the directories it created for the installation? (not the WordPerfect directory of course.) I suppose these might have been left behind because of my multiple attempts to install the programme? When I ran into this same issue, WP install created a slew of dirs in my / dir shlibs, wp, etc... yes, you can remove them. -Jay
Re: Invalid MIT-VALID-COOKIE-1 key? X trouble!
In a message dated 4/12/99 10:34:17 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-VALID-COOKIE-1 key Can't connect to X server :0.0' Check the list archives - this was answered just a few days ago.. Basically, you need to export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority -Jay
Re: Emacs
In a message dated 4/12/99 11:39:36 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think my recommendation as far as xemacs vs emacs goes is that, for a new emacs user, xemacs offers that one advantage of GUIs -- little pull down menus that help you use the editor before you learn all the esoteric keystrokes. Once you've taken advantage of that for a bit using xemacs -nw (no windows) on a terminal is just fine. Are there any advantages or disadvantages to using xemacs on a terminal? FYI - Emacs20 under X also provides these drop down menus. -Jay
Re: Emacs
In a message dated 4/12/99 2:05:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: xemacs does colored syntax highlighting on a terminal. Hate to sound like a broken record here, but so does emacs... at least under X it does... -Jay
Re: X thinks my screen is larger than it actually is
In a message dated 4/8/99 7:32:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It depends on what kind of a video card you use. Check out the Linux Laptop homepage http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ For your problem, in your XF86Config, if you have something like 640x480 800x600 Then by default XFree86 will use the 640x480 mode and your virtual screen will be set to 800x600. That is why you are getting a larger screen than you expected. Try to use ctrl-alt-+ to see if you can switch to 800x600. Of course if you are using the wrong server, it won't work... Thanks for this response, but it doesn't apply in my case. I don't have a virtual screen set up, the only resolution mention in my file is 640x480. The laptop pages don't help - frankly because it isn't an issue with laptops - it's an X server problem. I get the same results using a desktop. The Xservers (or window managers) simply don't stay within the confines of 640x480 resolution - and they should. If I maximize a window, it puts it in the full 640x480 window - so why does X/window-managers put these windows off the screen when the are first painted? That's just sloppy.. I know in most cases I can reposition them, but I shouldn't have to. If I only have 480 pixels high, why does a window pop up that goes beyond this limit? -Jay
Re: Lost PCCard modem
In a message dated 4/8/99 11:59:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My laptop used to work just beautifully with my pcmcia modem, it was recognized and dialed just fine--now when I run 'pon' I get: pppd 2.3.5 started by bob tcgetattr: Input/output error(5) Exit. carctl status tells me that it recognizes that the card is there. Does anyone have any ideas? I have this problem now and then - and it's resolved by doing a setserial for the correct irq value on your com port. For the life of me I can't figure out why I don't get this error every time I boot up - I guess sometimes it finds the correct IRQ and other times it doesn't. -Jay
Re: X thinks my screen is larger than it actually is
In a message dated 4/9/99 9:39:51 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which window manager are you using? It must be possible to fix this: you're just bothered by the initial placement of the windows, not with bits of your actual desktop being off the screen, right? It seems to be all window managers. I've used kwm (with KDE), enlightenment, fvwm, fvwm95, so far - and all them have the same problem. My current (and probably final) window manager is kwm. The problem is partly the initial placement of windows - and the -geometry option helps a great deal - but the issue is more based in the fact that I shouldn't have to do this for every single window - and there are some windows I can't fix in this way. For example, Everytime I right click in KDE to bring up a properties dialog, it is always half on and half off the screen. A window should NEVER be placed beyond the physical limits of the current resolution. Also, there are quite a few KDE windows that are just to big for 640x480 in the first place - and since I can't fix them with the -geometry option, I constantly have to move them around to use them. Another example - every time I start up emacs, the window created is much larger than my actual resolution. I can maximize the window to bring it back to my 640x480 restraints, or use the geometry option - but why is this window created beyond my screen size in the first place? It seems to me this is a window-manager bug - but so far all window managers have exhibited it. PS - the man pages are no help with this issue. I'm pretty sure I've searched everywhere on this one, but someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong - I'd LOVE to fix this beast. -Jay
Re: Runiing processes. What are these?
In a message dated 4/9/99 10:02:49 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 199 2 S0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2 200 3 S0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 201 4 S0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4 202 5 S0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5 203 6 S0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6 These are your console terminal session - and assuming you want to do anything, ya, they should be running. I suppose you can cut down on the number of them if you'd like... but I'm not sure to go about doing that. -Jay
Re: libXt.so.6
In a message dated 4/8/99 2:43:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is libXt.so.6 a glibc library as I suspect, or am I wrong? It's in glib (libc5) and glibc (libc6) - both using the same name. -jay
Re: fdformat missing
In a message dated 4/8/99 2:51:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean Linux floppies? You should always use msdos format for floppies on Linux. No, floppies for Linux should be formatted with a Linux filesystem. -Egon oh my. Looks like I have stirred up the water ;) I would think the real answer depends on your use of the floppies. If you're going to use them only for Linux - no reason to get the DOS tools involved, format them with a Linux filesystem. If you're going to use them on DOS/Win machines as well as your Linux box - then format them for DOS and set Linux up to mount them using DOS filesystems (via your fstab). -Jay
Re: fdformat missing
In a message dated 4/8/99 3:17:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a Linux ML and I think the default answer should be a Linux filesystem. Do all people on the ML read floppies on Windows 95/98/2000 or NT? What about installing vmware (www.vmware.com) and use M$ together with Debian. Yes, you do have a point. But I'd like to make an additional one; Do all of us here us floppies on an MS system? Of course not. Do some of us, of course. I personally use a floppy on my laptop under both, at work under both, and on another machine that only has Win on it. For me, having one set of disks for each system is confusing; especially considering Linux is smart enough to be able to read both types of filesystems. Installing VM is a great solution - if you have the resources for it, and again, we all don't. Believe it or not, some of us, me included, still use 486 and 386 PCs. Sheesh, my fastest box (a laptop) is only a Pentium 90 with 40M of RAM - and I doubt VM would be happy with that. The fact that Linux has the tools to read both filesystems is a feature that is provided for - why not use it when it's applicable? -Jay
Re: netscape and libXpm
In a message dated 4/6/99 5:44:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $ /usr/local/netscape/netscape /usr/local/netscape/netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4' all the xpm pkgs in stable/x11 are installed. Is it possible you have the libc6 versions of xmp installed and not the libc5 versions that Netscape requires? -Jay
Re: X thinks my screen is larger than it actually is
In a message dated 4/6/99 6:27:27 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, your problem is neither new nor soluble: what's happening is that your pixelsize is too large for the default windowsize to fit within the screen boundaries--either set a higher resolution or live with it. The problem is not that your virtual resolution is too high, it's that your screen resolution is too low: however, you might get better results if you set your virtual resolution higher than your actual screen: you'd at least be able to navigate to the parts that don't show up on your screen. Sorry I can't be of more help--it's happened to me on more than one occasion :( This isn't directed at you in any way, but that answer really grates on my nerves. I have a Toshiba laptop - and it supports 640x480 just fine. Yes, if I increase the resolution, I don't actually get finer details, but a bigger virtual desktop. And frankly, I don't like that feature at all. What really irks me is that Linux/XF86Free doesn't support 640x480 mode correctly in the first place. If I had the knowledge, I'd fix it, believe me... but I don't. And frankly, being forced to live with this limitation is rediculous. Last time I checked, 640x480x256 was still THE standard VGA mode that any monitor will support. Strange that XF86 doesn't... Curious - do any of the other X servers correct this problem? I'd be willing to pay for a package that did.. -Jay
Re: email threat
I have two things to say about this, or maybe three:
1) Am I the only one that is tired of hearing about the bickering between
these two? and on a Debian-user list? and on a public mailing list?
2) If the authorities have been notified - fine, leave us out of it.
3) Don't make judgements until you know the whole story (and, no, I don't).
A clip here, a snippet there, an you can make anyone believe anything you
want them to.
-Jay
In a message dated Mon, 5 Apr 1999 7:16:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas
lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 5 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ESR wrote:]
Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like
that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize
the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally --
and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
I think that most people in the Linux community will find this behaviour
objectionable in the extreme. If ESR wanted to rally people round in his
defense ('understand my job', etc.), he's just taken one of his many
firearms and shot himself in the foot.
It's fairly obvious who is 'behav[ing] like [a] disruptive asshole,' and
'jeopardiz[ing] the interests of our entire tribe.'
Re: How to boot into single user mode?
In a message dated 4/6/99 11:51:56 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To fix it I need to login. Can I stop it from going automatically to X windows? 1) If you're using hamm - put no-xdm in your /etc/X11/options file to prevent xdm from starting On any system you should be able to CTL-ALT-F1 to get to a console login. -Jay
Re: Netscape immortal?
In a message dated 4/6/99 3:43:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This happens to me often with Netscape 4.51 and 4.08. Although it is immortal when faced with a windowmanager kill signal, is has always died properly when faced with a kill -9 pid I'll second that - kill -9 always seems to do the trick... now if they would fix the bug causing the locking in the first place... in my case it seems to be network hiccups or slowdowns that cause the problem. -Jay
Re: Laptop Shutdown
In a message dated 4/6/99 3:13:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've got an annoying problem with slink on a compaq armada laptop. About 4 out of 5 times when I shutdown (#reboot) the shutdown process runs to near completion, then hangs with the message: Rebooting GDT: flushing all host drives. Done. I have to remove the batteries and power to shut the system down after the hang... I'm not sure what the issue is here... does the three-finger reboot do the trick? Or maybe you're request is that you want your laptop to turn off automatically? In that case you need to have apm support compiled in your kernel and the apmd package installed. -Jay
Re: Trying to play a game....
In a message dated 4/4/99 3:48:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had that error too. You can't run Marlstrom in 24 bpp, it must be in 16 or less. That should fix your problem. It took me a while to get it fixed, so this might not be the answer that fixes that one problem. Netscape, WordPerfect, and now Marlstrom... just curious, why don't these apps support 24bpp color? Is it such a non-standard format that it's not worth the time? My understanding was that 24bpp color was more prevelant than 32bpp color - but most of these appps (don't know about Marlstrom) seem to support 32bpp color just fine. What gives? -Jay
netscape plugins
Curious... There are alot of plugins available for netscape, but most don't specifically mention they are for linux - in fact, one of them I tried gave me an .exe. file to run to install. Well, obviously, this won't work with Linux... so, which plugins work for Linux, is there a repository for them? Also, I've seen mention of netscape-wrapper - what's this for? is it related? Thanks, Jay
Re: online help on c/c++ functions/libraries
In a message dated 4/5/99 4:49:28 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do I get help on c/c++ functions, including the library (.h) file for them? man query etc. ? (how do i search for it?) Is it possible to get a list of functions available on the system, and/or a list of available c libraries (.h) and their coresponding funcions? Thanx If you do a man sprintf, you'll get help for that function, and the man page will list the include file it came from. To get a list of routines from a given header file, it's probably easiest to just view the header file. :) To search for a function, use apropos... -Jay
Re: enlightenment/slink .xinitrc
I had my /etc/X11/window-managers start up enlightenment, then put the exec gnome-session into the .xsession in my home dir (I couldn't get X to read .xinitrc). -Jay
Re: GNOME 1.0 .deb package?
In a message dated 4/2/99 1:31:26 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: deb http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome-stage-slink \ unstable main What's the difference between the above and: deb http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2 unstable main What should one use for a slink system? I believe stage 2 is for potato systems. -Jay
April Fools?
Is it just me, the current date, or am I seeing a bunch of messages come throught that I could have sworn I'd seen previously? -Jay
Re: login.app setting color depth to 16bpp
In a message dated 3/29/99 7:27:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to set my color depth to 16 bpp, currently it's starting in 8bpp. I had :1 local /usr/bin/X11 :1 vt9 -bpp 16 in /etc/Xserver but it is not reading that. I think in wdm it was placed in a different file. Is this the right place for it? This option should probably go in your XF86Config file. -Jay
Re: Y2K
In a message dated 3/30/99 10:23:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You forgot that Gnome and KDE aren't either (for you AOLamers out there, neither is Info) :) If that's true, the programmers working on KDE and GNOME out to be noodle- whipped in public. These products are babies, and not having them Y2K compliant from the get-go is a HUGE mistake and shows lack of planning on the part of the developers. As for the AOLamers comment - ya know, I understand anyone's opinion of not liking AOL - but don't insult me for using it. I have my reasons as you have yours. I thought we gave up calling each other names in high-school - or maybe you haven't reached that point yet. Anyway, what does Info and AOL have to do with each other? Or did I miss something? On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Mitch Blevins wrote: In foo.debian-user, you wrote: I get a Slackware 2.0.29 Kernel of Linux. I'd like to know if it's Y2K. If not which version is Y2K. Only Debian GNU/Linux is Y2K compliant (any version). All other distros will fail at the end of this year. Please reformat your Slackware system and install Debian as soon as possible. Also, Emacs is NOT Y2K... you should use vi. I can understand why a package is not Y2K compliant. But if I understand correctly, a package is nothing more than a compiled program. So, why would Debian be compliant on a given package but the same package not be compliant under Slackware? That doesn't make sense at all. And, if there are still Y2K problems with GNU packages, why in the hell aren't they fixing them before coming up with new features? -Jay
Installing select files from potato
I have slink installed. If I decide I want to install some files from potato, namely GNOME, how do I set up dselect/apt to do it? If I point my package files at potato instead of slink, it'll upgrade everything, and I really don't want to do that. Nor do I want to go through the hassle of putting things I don't want to upgrade on hold. Is downloading the .debs separately and running dpkg on them my only option? Oh, and I just (stupidly) deleted the msg on GNOME 1.0 debs (with the apt sources change). Can someone send me a copy? Many thanks, Jay
Re: Suggestion for change to debian package format
In a message dated 3/29/99 2:29:43 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apt will keep a boolean flag called 'Auto' for each package installed on your system. 'Auto' is short for 'Automatically uninstall this package when it is not required anymore because of a dependency'. So, when you install package foo, and apt automatically installs libfoo1 and libfoo2 because they are required by foo, then they will be marked with the 'Auto' flag. Later, if you deinstall foo, then apt will also deinstall libfoo1 and libfoo2, provided they are no longer needed by any other packages. This sounds like a great idea.. I have one question tho: Foo depends on libfoo1 and libfoo2 libfoo1 depends on foostuff1 and foostuff2 So, say I remove foo, will it be smart enough to remove foostuff1 and footstuff2 as well as libfoo1 and libfoo2? -Jay
GNOME 1.0
Just curious, how's the .debs of GNOME v1.0 coming? -Jay
Re: CD-R/RW Question
I just burned 3 CDs back to back today at 2x speed. Never have heard of anything that requires you to power down after writing a CD, and frankly, any drive that would require such a thing wouldn't be used by me in the first place. I seriously doubt there is such a beast.
Ever have one of those cool! moments?
I've been playing (read frustrating myself crazy) with Linux now for a few months. I have done an upgrade from hamm to slink. I figured out how to get X running. I figured out how to get KDE installed. I can call my ISP. I just had one of those cool! moments I thought I'd share with everyone since this list always seems to be filled with it don't work! posts. I just used pon under KDE, connected to my ISP, started up Netscape, and read my AOL e-mail. Now I'm replying to the list using AOL's NetMail from within Netscape. Cool! Call it my first productive task since I installed Linux. Now if I can just get Quicken 99 to run under Linux, I can finally get rid of that OTHER OS. -Jay
Re: CD-R/RW Question
In a message dated 3/26/99 4:44:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, does linux handle the cd-rw's? If so, are they worth the extra money to get? IMO, no. A CD-RW blank costs upwards of 30$ while a CD-R blank costs 1$ to 1.80$ so you would need to blank a disc about 30 times before it's worthwhile cost-wise (and that's not taking into account the added cost of the drive). For my purposes, if I want to delete a disc, I'll just break it over my knee or use it as a coaster. I beg to differ. CD-RW already came down in price, and you can find $10 ones even at CompUSA and $5 ones through mail order. Also you might heard that CD-RW can be 'reburned' 'only' 700 times or so. As it turned out many will last over 1000 burns. CD-RW adds much more flexibility to your setup: I'll second this... but I have found CDRW disks for as cheap as $2.99 a disk, compared to $.75 a disk for CDRs. Also, CDRW are supposed to be good for 1000+ burns. And they work very well! -Jay
Re: Bash buffer size
In a message dated 3/26/99 10:14:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I do an ls -l in a directory such as /etc, it lists down about 300 entries but I can only go back and see about 150 of them because of my limited buffer size or whatever that might be called ! Question : What is the variable that controls this, and how can I change that? This doesn't answer your question, but another option would be to pipe output to the less or more command: ls -l | more ls -l | less
Re: Home Page Design
Okay, everyone send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and complain about unsolicited ads on our mailing list. How rude... In a message dated 3/23/99 7:20:26 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde is no longer in debian
In a message dated 3/22/99 6:58:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can get debian packages from www.kde.org (follow the ftp site links). But be warned, you need the unstable version of qtg in order to install them. I just installed the debian kde packages, but I havn't restarted x to see if everything works. No need to worry, I'm using slink and KDE 1.1 - I have QT1.42 installed, and it runs without a hitch. -Jay
Re: My ip-ip.d directory not executed
In a message dated 3/23/99 8:18:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any way to send the output of pppd to a file so I can debug what is happenning. the output of pppd is already stored in your /var/log/syslog. -Jay
Re: Second plea for help getting KPPP to work.
Thanks for the response. ;) Unfortunately, switching to chap didn't help any. I'm pretty sure my ISP uses PAP, at least when I connect via the console instead of KPPP I see PAP authentication. -Jay
KDM restarting
I've noticed something over the past few days: When I switch from my KDE session to the console using CTL-ALT-F1, sometimes the background of the console (the text positions that DON'T have characters in them) are given the ASCII block character. All spaces and unused positions are fill with this block. Sometimes it's grey, sometimes other colors - but mostly grey. Also, there has been an instance or two that switching to the console has forced KDM to restart - the only error I get is a that KDE terminated unexpectedly. Any idea what's up? -Jay
Re: Documentation suggestion (was Re: Slink upgrade and xwindows)
I also agree with the idea of having a single starting point for documentation. And something I kind of wonder about - why are there always so many documents for a given program? Can't they be combined into one document devided into sections? With info pages, you can get to any specific section quickly and cleanly, this seems like a good way to get to the FAQ, or program doc, or release notes.. And curious.. alot of the man pages say they are no longer supported, that info is the definitive source of documenation. So, why does everyone here say read the man page? :) Force of habit, I suppose Maybe it's time to remove the man pages for those programs that also have info pages, eh? -Jay
Re: Documentation suggestion (was Re: Slink upgrade and xwindows)
In a message dated 3/22/99 10:21:50 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] labs.com writes: Force of habit, I suppose Maybe it's time to remove the man pages for those programs that also have info pages, eh? Don't remove the manpages. And don't start an info vs. man war, either, please! I've no intention of starting a flame war - but the fact remains, if the man pages are no longer being supported by developers, there's no sense including them in the man pages package. It just adds to the confusion.
Re: Creation of Slink CD from downloaded files
In a message dated 3/19/99 7:20:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am in the process of downloading debian (slink) at work to install at home. I have a cdr at work, and this is how I plan to transport the distribution home. At home, I need to install slink from the cd. Therefore, my question is, what files should I download and what directory structure should the cd have? I was unable to install redhat from a homemade cd because the install disk couldn't find the proper structure on the cd, and I do not want to run into this trouble again. Go to www.debian.org, and following the link about getting Debian on a CD - it will take you to the right locations. -Jay
Re: LINUX Magazine
In a message dated 3/19/99 2:38:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in Barnes Nobles and there is a new Linux Mag called Linux Magazine. If they have a website up - can you post the URL for us? Thanks.. -Jay
Re: -- MARK -- in /var/log/messages
In a message dated 3/17/99 2:39:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently started wondering what the -- MARK -- lines in /var/log/messages represent. I cannot explain them logically, nor have I found a daemon that's responsible for these lines. Search the list archives - I've seen this answered four or five times now. ;) Quick answer - it's just letting you know your system logging is working okay. -jay
Re: Slink upgrade and xwindows
In a message dated 3/15/99 8:05:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't slam people for not reading everything. That is why you are needed- because they don't have time, or maybe they just aren't capable of understanding everything- again, that is why you are needed. I have to admit, there is a bit of truth to this, alot of people just don't have the time to read 18 different documents in 18 different locations. Man pages, info pages, FAQs, HOWTOs, mini-HOWTOs, READMEs, INSTALL docs, package descriptions... it is a bit daunting. I do feel that anyone installing anything shoud be up for some reading, but just how much reading is the question. I'm not even going to think about complaining about the amount of documentation, coming from systems that have zip, I know from experience how helpful good documentation can be. But I wonder if maybe there is a better way to organize the volumunous information given to us in a standard, easy to use, heirarchial fashion. -Jay
Re: how to run compiled programs?
In a message dated 3/16/99 11:48:46 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i can't seem to run the programs i compiled
ie int main(){printf (Hi, world!\n);}
it compiles but i get the command not found error mesg.
what am i doing wrong?
If you compile a program called runme in the current directory,
Execute it using:
./runme
You have to give the ./ unless the dir is in your path.
Re: Xterm not showing Xresources changes
In a message dated 3/14/99 6:21:50 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want my xterms to be yellow on black, and use a geometry that I choose: Here's my /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm file: XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: yellow XTerm*geometry: 69x28 Any way I open up an Xterm window, it displays full screen in black on white. Why isn't it reading my resources file? X clients do not read the resources file. X resource declarations are stored by the X server itself, so you need to either restart the X server, or tell it to re-generate its resource database. You do the latter with the xrdb command. For instance, xrdb -merge /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xresources Well, restarting the X server didn't help any, so I'll try using xrdb. -Jay
Re: Xterm not showing Xresources changes
In a message dated 3/14/99 8:31:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Translation overrides look like this: *VT100.Translations: #override ~Meta KeyBackSpace: string(\177)\n\ KeyDelete: string(\033[3~)\n\ KeyHome: string(\033OH)\n\ KeyEnd: string(\033OF) (The above is in the default /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm.) If you also have translation overrides for the VT100 widget in your .Xresources file, all the above overrides will be forgotten even if you're not changing the events for the BackSpace, Delete, Home or End keys. Let me make sure I understand you... if I decide to use the translations, I need to put them all on one line, right? Are you saying that multiple entries will not merge correctly, only the last one will be used? -Jay
Re: Two quick questions
In a message dated 3/15/99 3:26:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Is Gnome a window manager for X, or is it a replacement for X? (or it it something else?) Gnome is more of an object handling system than anything. I suppose you could consider it a desktop environment. YOu still need a separate window manager to use it. 2. What is the advantage of using a kernel source package in .deb format as opposed to a generic kernel source in tar.gz format? The advantage is that you can remove it with a single command instead of having to remove all the dirs by hand. Also, you can upgrade easily and prevent yourself from downgrading. -Jay
Re: Two quick questions
In a message dated 3/15/99 4:05:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something else. You can use your existing WM with gnome. Gnome just provides libraries for applications and also several utility apps. The gnome-panel is an example of a utility app. Also, the gnome file manager (gmc) will allow desktop shortcuts and the ability to use your desktop as a file repository (like Win95). The gnome libraries also support things like drag-n-drop between applications compiled against them, etc. Just curious - is there a doc that lists comparisons between GNOME and KDE? -Jay
Re: Two quick questions
In a message dated 3/15/99 4:45:39 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious - is there a doc that lists comparisons between GNOME and KDE? Just to to dejanews and do a search under 'flame'. ;-) LOL - Okay. I've picked myself up off the floor now. ;) Seriously, I don't know of any document that does that exactly, but you can read one author's opinions at http://linux.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa03149a.htm?pid=2801cob=home Thanks. Was kind of curious. The GNOME docs mention that KDE is a competitor and it was created because of licensing issues and differences of opinion. -Jay
Xterm not showing Xresources changes
I'm using KDE 1.1 Debian 2.1 (slink): I want my xterms to be yellow on black, and use a geometry that I choose: Here's my /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm file: XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: yellow XTerm*geometry: 69x28 Any way I open up an Xterm window, it displays full screen in black on white. Why isn't it reading my resources file? -Jay
Re: Stupid Question
In a message dated 3/14/99 9:22:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi- I was wondering how I could view a text file like dos's type filename Thanky you, -James cat file will work the same as type will. you can also use: more file to do the same thing, but one page at a time. -Jay
true type fonts
Okay, so I've installed xfstt - the true type font server. The package says it doesn't contain any fonts, and I can't find a package of them via dselect. Can anyone point me to the true type fonts package(s)? TIA, Jay
Is slink done?
So, now that slink is marked as stable, does this mean that it will never be updated again? I'm confused about new packages - do they get added to existing releases or only to unstable ones? Reason I'm asking? I want to make a debian CD. -Jay
Re: System trashed
In a message dated 3/12/99 11:25:06 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, I just upgraded to slink, and thought everything was ok, but that was before I rebooted. My system rebooted, and started xdm (or whatever), which I don't want, and the keyboard seemed to be locked up. I could move the mouse, but couldn't attempt to log in, or even switch to another virtual terminal. How can I stop this from happening? Is this a bug, 'cos I didn't ask for xdm to be started, and, wherever I was given the choice, I chose to keep my own startup scripts, so surely xdm's bullied its way into starting. I can say this much - with slink, if you download the xdm package, it automatically starts. If you don't want xdm to start, you need to remove the xdm package. -Jay
Re: true type fonts
In a message dated 3/12/99 12:52:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your right it is .ttf, and they are normally found in the windows\fonts directory. Okay. I've got xfstt, I've got my .ttf fonts from the Windows dir. Now what? Do I just move them to /usr/share/fonts/truetype and I'm done? -Jay
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
This is a goofy topic, but, what the hey I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. By that logic, 12:01pm would be 12 hours and 1 minute after noon, or 1 minute after midnight. :) think about 12:01pm One minute after noon. Not the same thing (though 00:01PM would be better). That contradicts what you just said. It's generally accepted that 12pm is noon and 12am is midnight. -Jay
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
In a message dated 3/11/99 10:48:52 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' is a circle drawn from the North point in the horizon to the South point, passing thru the zenith. Zenith is the point directly overhead for any given location. At some point in time (near 12:00), the sun crosses this circle. This is (local) noon. The Sun is neither before or after the meridian, it's on the meridian. Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon, the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition. It means when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian That's all well and good, and very accurate... but the point remains. If someone says to you 12pm, it's considered 12 noon. If someone says to you 12am, it's considered 12 midnight. People seldom consider where the star is in relation to the meridian when discussing what time of day it is. They just know if it's ight or dark out. ;) -Jay
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
In a message dated 3/11/99 11:31:55 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or hrs? Or does it matter? Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. -Jay
Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?
In a message dated 3/10/99 6:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are there Gnome 1.0 debs yet? I haven't tried Gnome yet. 1.0 seems like the place to start. Ya know, I don't want to offend any of the developers or anything, but I'm curious about something... Why is it that Debian is always the last to get packages for any given product? When KDE came out, rpms were right around the corner. This seems to be an ongoing trend... Is it just because the Debian group is so quality concious? -Jay
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:33:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See what you want, just know that you're more than likely 100% wrong. I can only see what you project with your attitudes and behaviors. Which are only a reflection of your own. Hey guys, can we take this flame-war to e-mail? Boy, but if we could teach people the difference between reply to all and reply... ;-) -Jay
Re: I can't believe this
In a message dated 3/7/99 10:45:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ... ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian. I completely agree. Your forget, the targe of Windows is those people that DON'T know an IRQ from an I/O address. Windows takes all the work (or is supposed to) out of configuring and running your system. I'd say 99% of the people running Windows would be forever lost in Debian/Linux. I've been working on PCs since 1980/81 and it took me several months to be able to run Linux/Debian with any effectivness - and I *DO* know and IRQ from and I/O address. ...The company says it will include a new application installer in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1. Uhm, which company would this be? ...Debian is distributed by Linux Press... I do have a problem with this - it shows lack of research on ZDNet's part - which isn't entirely unsusual. Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. Again, this article was written for the person who is new to Linux, and I agree - for the newbie - be afraid. It can be done, but it takes HOURS of work and HOURS of reading. Most new users of an operating system aren't going to want to mess with it. I have to admit, there were several times even *I* was ready to delete everything Linux on my PC - but my continual displeasure with everything MicroSoft kept me going. Having said that, there really isn't anything productive I can do with my Linux box - yet. I do have WP on it, but hardly use it. I can browse the net - which is nice, but I can do that in Win95 too. I still use my Win box for Quicken and AOL - two apps I use constantly - and neither of which will run on Linux. -Jay
Re: Laptop install Help Needed
In a message dated 3/7/99 11:55:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a newbie to Linux and want to install debian on my laptop as my primary (only) machine, its a compaq armada 1535 w/ 3com 3c575 pcmcia ethernet. there is now a debian-laptop list. You can ask laptop specific questions there. Another great source of laptop info - Go to www.linux.org - then select the hardware section - and find the info about running Debian/Linux on a laptop.
Re: how do i get a copy of the linux image kernel.
In a message dated 3/5/99 5:45:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: from the direct links in the debian.org, install file, i've downloaded all of the install files except the linux image kernel file. when i click on the link, the browser tries to open the file (instead of allowing me to save it to a disk). Assuming your using Navigator - shift-click the link instead.
Re: Maximal Mount Check
In a message dated 3/4/99 7:40:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The appear to be tools to `defrag' an ext2 partition, but I never saw any convincing reasons for using them. They may even be a risk to your data. I've tried the ext2 defrag program, and while it seems to work OK, I didn't see any noticable benefit from doing it, other than the fsck summary information looks better :-) So, defragging your disk isn't a normal Debian maintenance task? Is this true for all you guys that have been running Debian forever? -jay
Re: Debian/RedHat at our university
In a message dated 3/4/99 10:53:58 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Debian has a large number of packages (2400 in potato, and just under 2000 in slink). All of the package maintainers communicate, so thus the packages work more smoothly together. It might help a little, if there would be some ready made 'installation sets' (like 'single workstation', 'internettet workstation', 'server') with ready assembled collection of packages? There is so huge number of packages available that it isn't so easy to find out in the beginning what to install what not. More experienced installers can easily do all dselections themselves, but this would help newbies, who for sure are nowadays installing debians. This is already a feature of the installation - after installing the base system, install asks you to select the type of installation you want, and selects packages accordingly. Then dselect runs to allow you to configure more precisely. -jay
