Re: (OT) Perl books
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:12 -0500, Jay Latham wrote: I hope I don't get flamed for asking this on this list but here goes. I've decided that it's time I learned a little about programming and I've decided that, for various reasons, Perl would be a good place to start. But I'm confused on which book would be best for a total newbie. I've been leaning towards the oreilly books Learning Perl 3rd edition, and/or Programming Perl but thought I'd ask for opinons before making the purchase. Any suggestions? -- Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin Jay, I got really good results from the Perl CD Bookshelf. It's worth every extra penny to have the (fully indexed) resources of 6 perl books available at the click of a browser button. Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] JRTC-IS System Administrator Raytheon Technical Services Co. Fort Polk, Louisiana
Re: Sound testing
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:08:30 +0100, Timothy Bedding wrote: I am trying to get my Sound Blaster card working. Can anyone suggest a simple test program that I can run to prove that it is working? I seem to have four different possible sockets for the speakers. black, green, red, blue I don't know if there are 'standards' in place here, but my motherboard has a green (line out), red (violet, actually, mic in), and blue (line in). It has no amplified output for speakers, which is what your black jack is (i believe). I use the green jack with a pair of cheapo amplified speakers. As I said, this is on a new motherboard, not a Soundblaster card, so your results may vary. Any idea which of these is the one to use? Regards Tim HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Support Engineer Raytheon Technical Services Co. Joint Readiness Training Center Fort Polk, Louisiana
Re: elvis - missing rhs
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:39:08AM +1000, Chanop Silpa-Anan wrote: hi, just a minor annoying. i use elvis primarily. on some debian machine, whenever i start elvis, it says 'missing rhs' before switching to fullscrenn editor page. any idea what i am missing? As near as I can tell, there's a slight problem with the config file /etc/elvis/elvis.ini. One of the key mappings is missing the rhs (right hand side) component: [snip] map! ESCOj * map! ESCOo / map! ESCOM map! ^? visual x map ^? x [snip] I think the ESCOM map line needs another parameter. I could be wrong about this, but if you search the elvis help file for rhs, you'll find the term used in their syntax examples for 'right hand side'. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The human brain is like an enormous fish -- it is flat and slimy and has gills through which it can see. -- Monty Python
Re: strange pppd question
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 12:52:03AM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: Strange what I'm doing; pppd works fine :) I'm trying to write a daemon (in perl) that monitors the health of the next hop on an ethernet port (think DSL or cable connection), and dials a provider when the connection goes down. To do this, I need to invoke pppd from my prgram ... pppd forks and disconnects to do this, so I have no easy way to determine WHEN the link is up (I delete the eth default route and add a ppp0 default route only once the dial-link is up, or that's the plan). Right now I have to use sleep and that's plain ugly (and doesn't always work when the dial server is cranky). So, how to discover that pppd is up and running on a link? Perhaps I'm being incredibly dense here (I'm sure I am) but I don't see how to do it ... Any ideas? Am I re-inventing a wheel? Well, one kinda round-about way would be to write a script that could 'signal' your daemon and put it in the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d directory. I don't think ip-up is run until after pppd has completed the link. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. -- Thomas Edison
Re: [Summary] UPS anyone?
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 01:57:01PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya I have a few dead UPS... ( bad battery ) I changed the powersupply to be +24v-DC input instead of 110v-ac I use 2 car batteries...and pulled the 110vac... it stayed up for about 15 hrs.. - with 1 IDE disk...-- just sitting there and running cron every 10 minutes to log how long it ran That'll work, but you have to be careful. The main problem with lead-acid batteries is that they produce explosive gasses when they charge. Keep the area well ventilated. It'll also tend to cause corrosion on surrounding equipment. It's much safer to use gel-cells. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on X interfaces
Re: Mail-question; Quick One!
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 04:08:02PM -0500, Kent West wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok let me get this straight: I use a total of three (four) apps to read my mail: (pppd(pon) connects to my ISP,) fetchmail gets the mail, passes it on to exim, which sends it to the (one and only) user: me, and I finally invoke for example mail to read and edit mail. mail is (basically) an editor. exim takes care of internal mail (inside my machine, between root and user or apps like cron) fetchmail handles the connection out-of-the-box (mailwise) pppd/pon does the actual connecting bit (dialing and passwording and stuff) Please correct a pitiful newbie if he be lead astray from the path of righteousness. Best Regards Vitux What you have described is what I understand to be the case. Another option is to use two apps: ppp to establish the dial-up connection, and an email client such as Netscape Messenger to download/read your mail from your ISP. However, Netscape won't be aware of internal mail messages such as that generated by cron. Nor is it as configurable as fetchmail and/or a client such as mutt. You could even use fetchmail to download the messages, exim to send it to you, and then Netscape (as opposed to mail or mutt) to read it. In other words, there are several permutations possible, but I think you've got the general gist of what's going on. You could dispense with the fetchmail part if you can get your isp to set up an MX record for you, then they'll deliver directly to exim with smtp. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster. -- Voltaire
Problems compiling Citadel/UX
Hi, I'm trying to compile Citadel/UX bbs software and have hit a snag. At one point I get the following error message and the compile stops (no errors or warnings up to this point): [snip] gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c base64.c base64.c:26: initializer element is not constant base64.c:27: initializer element is not constant make: *** [base64.o] Error 1 I haven't a clue what this means. I know this isn't much info to go on, but I can supply anything else that would help, if I know what is needed. Can somebody atleast give me an idea where to start looking? TIA, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. --Benjamin Franklin
Re: Problems compiling Citadel/UX
On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:16:53PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: Sounds like the code in question is trying to use a variable to initialize another const variable. This is not supported under ANSI C, though I think gcc will allow it if the compiler flags are correct. I think the -Wall flag could be what stops it. Why don't you post the beginning of the base64.c code up to the lines in question (26 27), so a better determination, and possible fix can be suggested. On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 11:03:14PM -0500, Michael Merten wrote: | | [snip] | gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c base64.c | base64.c:26: initializer element is not constant | base64.c:27: initializer element is not constant | make: *** [base64.o] Error 1 | Ok, here's what I have: === /* Encode or decode file as MIME base64 (RFC 1341) by John Walker http://www.fourmilab.ch/ This program is in the public domain. */ #define REVDATE 11th August 1997 #include stdio.h #include stdlib.h #include ctype.h #include string.h #define TRUE 1 #define FALSE 0 #define LINELEN 72/* Encoded line length (max 76) */ typedef unsigned char byte; /* Byte type */ static FILE *fi = stdin; /* Input file */ static FILE *fo = stdout; /* Output file */ static byte iobuf[256]; /* I/O buffer */ static int iolen = 0; /* Bytes left in I/O buffer */ static int iocp = 256;/* Character removal pointer */ static int ateof = FALSE; /* EOF encountered */ static byte dtable[256]; /* Encode / decode table */ static int linelength = 0;/* Length of encoded output line */ static char eol[] = \r\n; /* End of line sequence */ static int errcheck = TRUE; /* Check decode input for errors ? */ [snip] == Does this help any? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence. -- The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII
Re: Problems compiling Citadel/UX
On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 10:09:31PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: Well, that all looked hunky-dory, so I don't know what to tell you. Thanks for trying, anyway :) I found an email address where I can possibly get some help, so I'll wait and see what comes of that. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- When you are about to die, a wombat is better than no company at all. -- Roger Zelazny, Doorways in the Sand
Re: Problems compiling Citadel/UX
On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 12:49:55AM -0500, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 11:43:27PM -0500, Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: static FILE *fi = stdin; /* Input file */ static FILE *fo = stdout; /* Output file */ The problem is in the previous two lines. fi and fo are being initialized with a variable, which isn't legal. They should be set in main(), not here. After playing around with it a bit, I've decided that its going to take someone more with more knowledge than me to fix this one. Thanks for the speedy response! Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. -- Thomas Paine
application in search of a developer
Hi, I've put together an application (shell script, really) that I use to maintain a local mirror of potato. It started out simple, but has evolved into something I think others might be able to use. I call it 'apt-move', but I could change that if necessary. What it does (this is from the manpage I wrote for it): NAME apt-move - move cache of Debian packages into a mirror hierarchy. SYNOPSIS apt-move [-ft] option... DESCRIPTION The apt-move script is used to move a collection of Debian package files into a proper archive hierarchy of the form debian/dists/... It is intended as a tool to help manage the apt-get(8) file cache, but could be configured to work with any collection of Debian packages. Running apt-move periodically will assist in managing the resulting partial mirror by (optionally) removing obsolete packages and creating valid local Packages.gz files using dpkg-scanpackages(8). Well, that should be enough to at least give you an idea (the whole thing is 9 pages). I'll just add here that there it also (optionally) runs rsync to build a local mirror of all or part of a Debian binary distribution. Another option lets you just mirror the packages you currently have installed on your system. I'm looking for a developer that would be interested in taking a look at what I've done, with an eye toward packaging it. If anybody is interested, e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm subscribed to debian-user, but not to debian-devel. I don't have any place to put the package that's publicly accessible, but I'll be happy to e-mail a copy to anybody that wants one. TIA, Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. -- Albert Einstein
Re: script to remove blank lines ?
On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 12:25:03PM +0530, venu wrote: hi all shell scripters ! if in a file I have say 10 lines and some of them are blank lines ,how do i remove the blank lines ? cherio venu Well, one way would be to 'cat file | tr -s '\n' newfile', IIRC. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Driving in Texas is simple. For the first 100 miles you swerve to avoid jackrabbits. For the second 100 miles you hit whatever jackrabbits get in the way. After that you chase off into the brush after them.
Shell scripts
Hi, I've written a rather elaborate shell script and was wondering... are there any script guru's out there with the time and the inclination to take a look at it, and possibly give me some suggestions/comments/pointers on how to improve it? Mike TIA !!! [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind. -- Rincewind (from _Eric_)
Re: Shell scripts
On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 07:10:31PM +0200, Jonas Steverud wrote: Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've written a rather elaborate shell script and was wondering... are there any script guru's out there with the time and the inclination to take a look at it, and possibly give me some suggestions/comments/pointers on how to improve it? You have to give more information before someone gets interested. What is it about? How long is it? Etc. Ok, I had a collection of package files in /var/cache/apt/archives that I wanted to move into a partial mirror I keep of potato, so I started working on this script. Well, it's kinda grown by leaps and bounds to the point where I'd almost call it an application rather than a script (I even wrote a manpage for it). It's much too large to post to the list; the tarball is 16Kb, the main script itself is 400 lines (15Kb). It's reached the point where it has more features than I can even test on my system, and I'd like to get some comments from other people. The documentation is as thorough as I can think to make it. Anybody interested? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Being schizophrenic is better than living alone.
Re: Backing up just my personal stuff (was: backing up a complet
On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:09:55PM +0200, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyways, I want to set up something, so that whatever apt-get downloads is stuc k into a proper hierachy like the mirrors do, and possibly a package file as well. That way, when I want to reinstall, I just install whatever off the CD, and upgrade to potato with my partial mirror. It does *kinda* suck to have to re-download all those packages again at 5kb/sec :) You could point your `sources.list' to the cache directory. Indeed there is a way to do what you want, but you would have to abandon apt-get in favour of `dftp', which creates a directory hierarchy and all needed package files whenever you download packages with `dftp getnew' (preferably with the option `--ask'; you can then even get a description of new packages which aren't yet installed on your system). I wrote a script to do what he wants. If anybody would be interested in giving it a try, I'd be more than happy to send you a copy. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state. -- George Mason
Re: mirroring a part of the archive
On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:38:54AM +0200, Sami Dalouche wrote: I want to grab the entire debian archive except the arch which are not i386. So, I want to take the binary-i386, binary-all, the source and all the unecessary stuff (readmes, tools...) What's the best way to do that ? Definitely, check out rsync. (If you grab binary-i386 using rsync's -L flag, you won't need binary-all) Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- As the trials of life continue to take their toll, remember that there is always a future in Computer Maintenance. -- National Lampoon, Deteriorata
Re: Java 'n' Netscape
On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 11:25:35AM -0400, Chris Mayes wrote: Java directory? Also, so that I don't have to ask such questions in the future, is there a way to search the dpkg or apt database for a specific file? Check out 'dpkg -S file' and 'apt-cache search file'. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke
Re: Backing up just my personal stuff (was: backing up a complete Debian GNU/Linux system)
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 12:08:21AM +0200, Colin Marquardt wrote: Hi, All them backup mails, they make my head swim. (almost cited from the Gnus manual) * Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I don't backup system files. I backup kernels, /etc and /var/lib/dpkg/status* files. I also collect a list of installed debs I can reinstall from CD: # dpkg --get-selections /backup/debian.selections That sounds good. But I wantmore :-): How could I get a list of things (i.e., directories/files) that are: a) *not* managed by the package system or are changed since install time and/or b) managed by the package system, but not on my CDs (e.g. stuff that I updated from the net) I have used the apt-cdrom install method, so I have the appropriate lines for the CDs in my /etc/apt/sources.list. If I just had one (or, better, both) of these lists, I could then backup just my personal stuff. A ZIP drive could then be enough. I think what you'd most need to keep backups for would be found in: /etc Most, if not all of your configuration files /home or wherever your user home directories reside /usr/local where you should be keeping your custom stuff There are probably some files in /var that would be handy on a backup, dealing with the current state of your system. On my system: /etc is a little over 3Mb /home is a bit over 118Mb (geez, didn't know I had that much junk there :/) /usr/local is about 760Mb (723Mb of that is a partial mirror of Debian) /var is 65Mb To back them up (excluding my mirror) would take less than 250Mb. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- It is illegal to say Oh, Boy in Jonesboro, Georgia.
Re: Backing up just my personal stuff (was: backing up a complete Debian GNU/Linux system)
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:52:11PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Michael Merten wrote: /var is 65Mb You will likely want to exclude /var/lock and /var/run and possibly /var/state No need to restore pid and lock files for programs that are no longer running :) Yep, although /var/lock and /var/run won't save much in space, /var/state could... one directory in particular (/var/state/apt/lists) could cause an impact. Apt stores all of the *uncompressed* Packages lists for every source you have listed in /etc/apt/sources.list here (it runs about 6M on my system). Since running 'apt-get update' will effective replace them, there's no need to waste space on a backup. Mike (wishing he had money for a decent tape drive) [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out? I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage
Re: Backing up just my personal stuff (was: backing up a complete Debian GNU/Linux system)
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:24:12AM -, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: /usr/local is about 760Mb (723Mb of that is a partial mirror of Debian) I presume you mean that these are potato packages you have downloaded since an initial install of slink. Actually, I run potato, and keep a partial mirror of main/binary-i386 (by partial, I mean I exclude certain large files that I don't have any use for - I don't have room for the whole thing). I update it nightly using rsync. What would the best easiest way of making such a partial mirror or all packages in potato that are different from slink? With such a mirror, I could install what I want using my official slink CD set, then update to my current state with the partial mirror. This would be really, really handy in case my system buggers up (or I bugger it up). I'd recommend taking a look at the rsync packages. It's fairly easy to set up, and does everything I need. I like it much better than mirror. When apt-get downloads packages, it puts them in /var/archive/apt/cache I wrote a script to move the packages from apt into the correct directories of my mirror. I can send it to you if you want, but I do not guarantee it to work. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Just remember, wherever you go, there you are. -- Buckaroo Bonzai
Re: bash manual/info lacks examples
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:10:30AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Mirek Kwasniak wrote: 1) For builtins bash has also help: $ help let | less 2) Usage of man (my pager is `less') 3) Usage of info Please don't understand me wrong. I *found* the text where the description of let is documented. But what do I have to type if I want to increase a shell variable? The syntax of arithmetic expression remains unclear and an example, how to do a = $b + $c * $d and a = ($b + $c) * $d (because this demonstrates also braces in expresions which might be misinterpreted by the shell) would be really helpful. bash shells can do: let a=$b+$c*$d let a=($b+$c)*$d but if you want to ensure compatibility with Bourne shells like ash, you should stick to: a=$(($b+$c*$d)) a=$((($b+$c)*$d)) HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] hehe... the random sig hits again! -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- It's great to be smart 'cause then you know stuff.
Re: bash manual/info lacks examples
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:53:02PM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: Says Mike: bash shells can do: let a=$b+$c*$d let a=($b+$c)*$d but if you want to ensure compatibility with Bourne shells like ash, you should stick to: a=$(($b+$c*$d)) a=$((($b+$c)*$d)) but if you want to ensure compatibility with Bourne shells like the Bourne shell :), you should stick to a=`expr $b + $c \* $d` a=`expr \( $b + $c \) \* $d` to complicate things, the spaces in the expression after `expr' are required. I stand corrected :) It's been a LONG time since I've use the authentic one-and-only Bourne shell. How many Bourne shell clones do we have floating around here these days? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Rincewind had generally been considered by his tutors to be a natural wizard in the same way that fish are natural mountaineers. He probably would have been thrown out of Unseen University anyway-- he couldn't remember spells and smoking made him feel ill. -- Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.06. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: bash manual/info lacks examples
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 04:49:38PM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: It's been a LONG time since I've use the authentic one-and-only Bourne shell. How many Bourne shell clones do we have floating around here these days? Mike I don't know about clones, but I am typing this on an SGI box where sh _is_ the Bourne shell, and I also have access to a Solaris server where this is true. OTOH I don't think there is a real problem using ksh, ash, zsh, or bash features, unless the first line of your script reads #! /bin/sh Yeah, that was what I was referring to originally... I have /bin/sh linked to ash, rather than bash. There was some discussion on the list previously about this (seems a few others are doing the same). I used Bourne shell about 3 years ago when I was a SCO admin, but since then, I've only had access to Linux. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- /earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can. -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.06. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: backing up a complete Debian GNU/Linux system
On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 06:25:28PM -0500, x x wrote: Hi! Could anyone tell me what's a good hardware/software combination to use to make frequent FULL backups of a Debian system (operating system, applications, and data). I asked recently at a fairly large Linux group meeting, and everyone seemed suprised by the question and there were no good answers, which completely floored me... how could anyone smart enough to use Linux not back up their entire system RELIGIOUSLY? I have thought about trying to use a CD-RW device, such as the HP 8100i or 8200i, but HP's web site seems to hint that you can't back up to multiple CDs in sequence, so that limits a backup to 650 Mb. I've also considered using an internal Jaz drive (expensive, especially the cartridges!), an internal Zip drive (110 or 250Mb - anybody use those with Linux?), or even an internal QIC tape drive. Would that work? How? Using TAR or CPIO? And does Debian really not recognize parallel port backup devices? Bummer... that's really limiting. Especially if you've been using a parallel port tape backup unit since DOS 3.2! Other considerations: ATX main system board, AMD k6-2 processor, WD 8.4Gb hard drive, and my need to have things work right - first time, every time, without exception. PS, I want to avoid using a proprietary Linux distribution (ie, Caldera), just to get some stripped down commercial backup application. Thanks for the help! [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only backup media I've used with UNIX/Linux, and LIKED, was a 4mm DAT drive. Very nice, but expensive. The last drive I priced was in the $600 range, but that's been a while (surely they've come down since then?) As far as the backup sofware goes, I can't help you there... I always used cpio ;/ Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. -- Thomas Edison
Re: How to escape this for the bash shell...
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:22:17AM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote: I have a file named : ?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~ ... in my home directory. I am wondering how to escape this properly for rm to work on it in bash. For this one, I'd just enclose the filename in single quotes like rm 'file' which should prevent shell interpretation of the ~,? and [ characters. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- I just thought of something funny...your mother. --Cheech Marin
Re: How to escape this for the bash shell...
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 03:08:20PM +0300, Alex Shnitman wrote: On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:22:17AM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote: I have a file named : ?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~?[4~ ... in my home directory. I am wondering how to escape this properly for rm to work on it in bash. Most people told you to rm ./file or rm 'file' but that won't work of course since you can't input the filename from the keyboard at all. (The name as you typed it looks like it consists of escape sequences, not something you can easily type on the keyboard.) So it's a better idea to use the shell's wildcard expansion to do the work for you. You can type rm -i * and then answer n for every file except for this one. It does look like escape sequences, but what key would produce ?[4~ ... the closest I can find is PgDn which produces ^[[4~. Is there a table/chart/listing of these somewhere for a linux term? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Any member introducing a dog into the Society's premises shall be liable to a fine of one pound. Any animal leading a blind person shall be deemed to be a cat. -- Rule 46, Oxford Union Society, London
Re: Bad Makedevness
On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 03:51:11PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: The new makedev package is erasing people's /dev/ directories. Apparently the maintainer script has a bug that causes /dev/ to become a file which makes dpkg erase /dev/ and replace it with a file.. Bugs all round. Since this is rather serious, I have erased makedev from potato/bianry-all - a copy of the .deb is in my home dir. I have also purged it from the primary mirrors. Daniel Jacobowitz has NMU'd it just now as well. Jason Debian Admin Well, which version of makedev does this affect? I have 2.3.1-26 installed, and am not experiencing problems. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- If we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom. -- Samuel Adams -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.06. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: Initial thoughts about Debian 2.1 (and I need some help!)
On Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 10:34:09PM -0400, Salman Ahmed wrote: At 09:25 PM 7/31/99 , you wrote: *- On 31 Jul, Ed Cogburn wrote about Re: Initial thoughts about Debian 2.1 (and I need some help!) I suggested using 'mingetty' as it by default will clear the screen at logout. Its also smaller than the default getty (I'm pretty sure). Yep! # ls -l /sbin/getty /sbin/mingetty 14 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root13228 Jun 24 20:27 /sbin/getty* 9 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8232 Nov 22 1997 /sbin/mingetty* You could also add a vt escape code to the top of the /etc/issue if mingetty is not an option. clear /tmp/clear.txt # clear is in ncurses-bin cat /tmp/clear.txt /etc/issue /etc/issue.clear mv /etc/issue /etc/issue.noclear mv /etc/issue.clear /etc/issue Ok. Just curious, but what's the proper/canonical way to do this ? I am using tcsh, so what file(s) would I have to modify ? Why is this not the default behaviour ? In some multi-user environments this type of behaviour (ie the screen not getting cleared after a user has logged out) could almost be considered a security risk seeing as how another user could see what the last user had been doing. Granted this is not that big of a deal but I am surprised to see this as default behaviour in Debian when other distros like RH already do this by default. I am just curious, not wanting to start a flame war!! One way this could be done is to install the linuxlogo package and configure it to display at the login prompt. It displays the new Debian logo (the potato version does, anyway) along with some system information, effectively clearing the screen when you log out. Also, if you are using the bash shell, you could create a ~/.bash_logout file and include a 'clear' command. Check the manpage or texinfo page for your shell to see if it supports something like this. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The price of freedom is eternal vigilance --Thomas Jefferson
Re: thank you
LOL! how the heck did this get to the list? Must've been in the wrong folder when I e-mailed her. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth :/ On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 08:17:34AM -0600, Michele Banza wrote: Michael, Thank you for the follow up. I will make a note of your new address. Michele A. Banza Access Data Consulting 1-888-878-2322 Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten --- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- This from George Orwell -- of all people: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. -- Jeff Cooper
Re: Getting Realtek8139 chipset network card to work
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 12:56:55AM +, Nuno Emanuel F. Carvalho wrote: Hi, I would like to get my network card to work but unfortunally I don't know which option on kernel(2.2.10) should I use for use the desired file: /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/rtl8139.c Could someone tell me which option should I pick up ? CONFIG_RTL8139=m It's under 'Network Device Support', 'Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)', 'RealTek 8129/8139 (not 8019/8029!) support' when using the 'make menuconfig' option, atleast. HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -- U.S. Constitution, Amendment 10. (Bill of Rights) -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: dselect dconfusion
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 11:30:25PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: Still have many conficts/dependancy problems. Is there anyway to start dselect from scratch? What I mean to ask is can I reset the selections to what they were before I started to tinker with them? Not easily... Not after you leave dselect that is. If you get to a dependency-resolution screen, you can use R to reset your selections to what they were before you got there -- usually including the selection that caused the problem. But once you get out of a dependency-resolution screen, it's set. You can try to minimize the conflicts, by doing the following (although it will some patience to work it all out): What I'm going to tell you to do will put all of you current packages on hold, letting you work from a known starting point. Start dselect and go to [S]elect. Highlight the header that says 'Updated packages (newer version is available)' and hit the = key. This will more than likely throw you into the resolution screen with a list of packages. If so, take a look at the package status indicators. There are 4 columns, the first of which (E) is normally blank, the other three indicating (from left to right) installed status (I), old selection (O), and current selection (M). You only need to worry about column 2 (I) and column 4 (M). For all packages listed on the conflict screen that have a blank (I) status (indicating not currently installed) hit _ (underscore). For all other packages (with * as the I status), hit the = key. When you get all the packages marked this way, hit Enter to return to the main package list. (You might have to work through several resolution screens this way before you get all the conflicts worked out). Now (back at main list), move the cursor down to the 'Up to date installed packages' header and hit *. If you get a conflict resolution screen, follow the directions in the previous paragraph. Finally, move down to the 'Available packages (not currently installed)' header and hit _ (underscore). You shouldn't get the conflict screen here, but if you do, follow the previous instructions. You should now have be to a point where you can go back to the 'Updated packages' section and start marking them (one at a time) with *, working out the conflicts as you go. A couple of quick pointers... if you mark a package for upgrade, or install, and get a screen full of conflicts, you can always hit the 'R' key to put everything back to what it was before you created the conflict. If you get everything messed up again, remember to hit 'X' from the package screen (if I'm not totally mistaken, it'll reset everything back to the way it was when you started dselect, effectively giving you the chance to start over.) HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- .. [Concerning the celebration of the 4th of July, 1811,] scarcely a word was said of the solicitude and labors and fears and sorrows and sleepless nights of the men who projected, proposed, defended, and subscribed the Declaration of Independence. Do you recollect your memorable speech upon the day on which the vote was taken? Do you recollect the pensive and awful silence which pervaded the house when we were called up, one after another, to the table of the President of Congress to subscribe what was believed by many at that time to be our own death warrants?... -- A letter from Benjamin Rush to John Adams
Re: startx-errors: Where is the log file?
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 04:21:47PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 egm2@jps.net wrote: On 27 Jul, Johann Spies wrote: | Then I installed xdm and it did get xwindows to work using icewm, but no | gnome and it ignores .xsession as well as my icewm-configuration (eg. it | shows only 1 workspace). | Are you sure ~/.xsession is being ignored? What does your file look like? I somehow doubt the problem is with icewm. At the moment this is my .xsession: - # xsetroot -solid slategrey # xrdb -load $HOME/.Xdefaults # xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-Johann # icewm-gnome # xterm # ical # exec /usr/bin/panel wmaker xterm ical Change that to something like: ical xterm exec wmaker and make sure .xsession is executable, then try it again. HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- A little suffering is good for the soul. -- Kirk, The Corbomite Maneuver, stardate 1514.0
Re: fetchmail / sendmail problem
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 02:44:48PM -0700, Oz Dror wrote: a fresh install of potato. I have installed the latest versions of fetchmail and sendmail. fetchmail times out, thus fail get mail. I have no idea why. Is there a way to debug this problem. Any help will be appreciated. What does your ~/.fetchmailrc file look like? (user names and passwords x'd out, of course) Also, if you run fetchmail with the -v (verbose) switch, it will provide you with a lot more information (as per 'man fetchmail'). Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The history of liberty is a history of the limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. --Woodrow Wilson
Re: Haunting still... (need PPP help)
On Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 04:21:46PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: The problem was that I ran my own nameserver locally, and that was listed first in resolv.conf. Even with the ppp link up, I'd prefer all DNS lookups to hit the local server first You can edit the resolv.conf for each provider in /etc/ppp/resolv . Ok, I didn't realize this. That would be easy enough to do, provided you didn't have dozens of peers ;) have the new dns numbers appended to the list, rather than replacing it. The problem with this is that the resolver will only look at the first three nameserver lines. I'd have to do some fancy parsing to decide just where to insert the new nameservers so that they will be useful but not in the way. Yes, I realize this. I'd probably assume that the first nameserver listed in the file would be the main local network DNS, and insert the ISP IP's right after that. However, when you stop to consider all possible variations, even that could cause problems (you know what they say about assume). Perhaps its best to leave it as is. Since most (I'm assuming again) people won't have more than one or two peers set up, its not too much to ask for them to modify the /etc/ppp/resolv files, if needed. Perhaps some documentation to that effect would be helpful... I notice that the README.gz and README.linux.gz files in /usr/doc/ppp make note of the usepeerdns option, but it doesn't seem to have made it to the manpage yet. You might want to take a look at the source for the pcmcia modules. IIRC, they insert and remove dns numbers from resolv.conf when the network card is plugged in. They use markers to delineate what they added (something like '## inserted by cardmgr ##') I try to avoid schemes like this. They place restrictions on the file layout beyond those imposed by the package owner. It seems to me that you would want your named updated to use the current ISP's nameservers as forwarders, but I'm not sure how to handle it. There is a similar problem with nscd. Do you have any ideas? Not really. I set up bind originally just because I'd never done it before, and was curious (heh.. it took 2 days even with the supplied examples to get it working right). It was overkill for a 4 machine network, and I've since removed it in favor of editing /etc/hosts on each of the machines. Over all, I'd have to say I'm NOT a bind expert :/ Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- .. [Concerning the celebration of the 4th of July, 1811,] scarcely a word was said of the solicitude and labors and fears and sorrows and sleepless nights of the men who projected, proposed, defended, and subscribed the Declaration of Independence. Do you recollect your memorable speech upon the day on which the vote was taken? Do you recollect the pensive and awful silence which pervaded the house when we were called up, one after another, to the table of the President of Congress to subscribe what was believed by many at that time to be our own death warrants?... -- A letter from Benjamin Rush to John Adams
Re: Haunting still... (need PPP help)
On Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 04:50:20PM -0500, Michael Merten wrote: One pppd setting that I've started using is usepeerdns, which queries the remote end of your ppp link for the dns numbers to use. It takes care of modifying your resolv.conf file for you. Oops, I should have mentioned that to use the usepeerdns setting, you need to be running a version of ppp 2.3.5 (I'm using 2.3.8-1 from potato). Thanks to Wayne Topa for bringing that to my attention off-list. :/ Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Don't everyone thank me at once! -- Han Solo -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: Haunting still... (need PPP help)
On Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 07:03:49AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Merten wrote: One pppd setting that I've started using is usepeerdns, which queries the remote end of your ppp link for the dns numbers to use. It takes care of modifying your resolv.conf file for you. Did you use pppconfig from potato to set it up? If so, how did you like it? If not, would you please test it for me? I have no way to test usepeerdns here. I did use pppconfig to set it up (first time since you rewrote it). I played around with it for a while, trying to set up a couple of auxilliary peers when my main isp was having some problems. I did have some problems with pppconfig intermittently failing to write the new config files, but I've upgraded it (a couple of times?) since then and it seems to work fine now. I like having the extra configuration options, and the ability to edit current profiles by picking them from a menu. I, personally, haven't run across a situation that couldn't be easily handled with pppconfig (except for the one particular situation I had trying to connect to an NT server with a non-standard chap, and I still don't have that one working :/). I noticed that usepeerdns replaced the contents of my resolv.conf file with the new dns numbers from the ISP, as long as the connection was up, then put my old data back when the connection went down. The problem was that I ran my own nameserver locally, and that was listed first in resolv.conf. Even with the ppp link up, I'd prefer all DNS lookups to hit the local server first (have the new dns numbers appended to the list, rather than replacing it). You might want to take a look at the source for the pcmcia modules. IIRC, they insert and remove dns numbers from resolv.conf when the network card is plugged in. They use markers to delineate what they added (something like '## inserted by cardmgr ##') so, I suppose, they can figure out what to remove later. This point is moot, for me anyway, since I don't run bind locally anymore. Just thought I'd mention it, since ya asked. ;) HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- According to Kentucky state law, every person must take a bath at least once a year.
Re: [Fwd: Lynx Problems]
On Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 02:08:01PM -0700, eg wrote: Michael Merten wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 10:36:05AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: now i understand the source of your problem. you are trying to use a copy of lynx found on a distribution copy of linux. just a suggestion, linux is not for a beginner, as you have self described yourself. almost every part of it must be setup and configured by someone who knows more then a casual experience with it. when you see people talking about using linux on the discussion groups, they are dialing into an internet provider where the copy of linx resides. there computer is in fact There may be a 'linx' program that he's talking about, but I've never heard of it. As far as 'lynx' goes, this info is bogus. Mike Actually there are dial-up unix providers. One gets shell access. This seems useful to aspiring web designers who aren't ready or able to install their own T1 lines. Access is via one's ISP, and price (for what i've been spammed with) relates to storage levels and domain name options. For straight unix with like (i think...its been awhile) 100MB of storage and no domain name the cost is about $20/month (plus the $20/month for your ISP). Yeah, I recon I knew that; its just been a long time (around here anyway) since an ISP would TRUST it's users with a shell account that what he was saying didn't make a connection in my brain. My bad! ;) Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- [N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. --Samuel Adams
Re: Setting email message width in mutt
On Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 04:47:00AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 07:16:59PM -0400, Frisco Rose wrote: I have been following the thread Re: A Pet Peeve about posting on the lists and decided to try using mutt instead of pine to read my email. However I cannot seem to find a way to set the default line length when composing a message. mutt has nothing do with this - it's your editor that composes the post. man vim This just documents the command line syntax, instructs you to use :help within the program, which gets you details on how to make the program work. What you want is to say :set tw=76 or whatever length you wish within vim. To make this the default for all vim sessions, put the command (without the :) in a file called ~/.vimrc. mutt simply uses the default editor - you can change this using the alternatives system. I use elvis as my mutt editor, and I've found that the simple way to set wordwrap is to add a line to ~/.muttrc like: set editor=vi -c 'set tw=70' I don't know if this particular syntax would work for vim, but the man page should tell you. I set it up this way because I only want word wrapping set on (by default) for email messages. HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Only the educated are free. --Epictetus
Re: Haunting still... (need PPP help)
On Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 08:27:32PM +0200, Algernon NG wrote: Hi all! I'm sorry, but I still can't get my connection to work. Can anyone tell me what steps do I have to make, to be able to access the net? I looked into my ppp.log and it says the local ip is x the remote is y. Ok. netstat -r: remote ipgateway: 0.0.0.0 ... defaultgateway: remote ip What does your /etc/resolv.conf look like? (and /etc/host.conf) In ppp.log it says, that my username password is accepted. My modem is working fine, I can ping the remote ip, but can't ping the nameservers. They MUST be correct, for I use the same settings when dialing from Win98r2. Are you pinging with ip numbers, or host names? If you're pinging your nameservers using ip addresses, and it doesn't work, then you've got routing problems (I think). Try to ping 209.81.8.42 (www.debian.org) and see if that works. One pppd setting that I've started using is usepeerdns, which queries the remote end of your ppp link for the dns numbers to use. It takes care of modifying your resolv.conf file for you. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- It is a great importance to set a resolution, not to be shaken, never to tell an untruth. There is no vice so mean, so pitiful, so contemptible and he who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual, he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all it's good dispositions. --Thomas Jefferson
Re: Good HTML editor for debian Linux?
On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 01:14:43PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Chris Beaumont wrote: Basically what I'm looking for is a workhorse editor that I can use as my main HTML tool. Is there anything Linux-friendly with anything approaching the feature set of the program that I am used to, BBEdit on the Power Macintosh... You might give bluefish a look. I have no idea what BBEdit is, but there are a few packages that at least attempt to edit HTML. If you haven't already, take a look at amaya and august. I tried the briefly, but I prefer to us vi(elvis) which does html syntax hi-lighting. :) Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a knob called brightness, but it doesn't seem to work. -- Gallagher
Re: Debian Install woes..
On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 01:41:20PM -0700, Steven Klass wrote: Hey all. Ok, I installed Debian without a hitch, and then deselect came into play. Here is the problems that I ran into, when trying something different, and maybe you guys can help me out a bit. I ran the standard install using the install disks (Binary - The orange one). When it came time for me to select which type of install I wanted, I chose Basic - because I want the freedom to pick and choose which debs I want later. I know I could have done custom, but hey I'm also relatively lazy in scrolling through some 1500 debs:) Anyway it was time for the reboot. After I rebooted, I picked my root passwd and established a user, and then dselect came up. The screen prior to it stated that just use Access, Install, and Configure, because I had already picked the debs to install. Makes sense. So since I rebooted and I saw that it found my nic, why not use the ftp access option and get the latest and greatest right? I ftp'd to Debian and bam I was instantly downloading the latest and greatest stuff. Way cool. Install - Oh CRAP!! Error after error after error, and then finally sorry dpkg stated too many errors. OK, now what. Since the errors were so many, and so frequent I could only catch glimpses of the error codes. Namely ncurses comes to mind. Obviously configure won't work, and it didn't, I tried. What did I do wrong? It would appear that I was supposed to install form the CD, but where on the CD are these files? I didn't see them. And since I can't do what I tried, it should have been in the docs not to do that. Has anyone else seen this problem? TIA, much appreciated. When installing lots of files (which you're trying to do), the ftp method for dselect can run into problems with dependencies. I'd suggest you download and install apt manually, then start dselect, go to the [A]ccess menu and select the apt method. As far as your current problem, you can try running dselect-install again (sometimes it takes several passes to get everything worked out right). HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to hide the bodies of the slobs we have to kill for pissing us off ...
Re: [Fwd: Lynx Problems]
On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 10:36:05AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: now i understand the source of your problem. you are trying to use a copy of lynx found on a distribution copy of linux. just a suggestion, linux is not for a beginner, as you have self described yourself. almost every part of it must be setup and configured by someone who knows more then a casual experience with it. when you see people talking about using linux on the discussion groups, they are dialing into an internet provider where the copy of linx resides. there computer is in fact There may be a 'linx' program that he's talking about, but I've never heard of it. As far as 'lynx' goes, this info is bogus. Mike -- [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- I just thought of something funny...your mother. --Cheech Marin
Re: Suggestion for Newbie Guide Lines
On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 01:09:26AM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: It is too long for a weekly posting, but it is a good welcome mail one should get on subscription. And it can be made available on the net (and in a newbie-doc package). I noticed that the linux-kernel list does that... send you a FAQ with the 'you are subscribed' notice. Good idea. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Ahead warp factor one, Mr. Sulu.
Re: X server for crappy Packard Hell machine
On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 10:15:15PM -0400, Stuart Ballard wrote: Hi, I have installed debian slink on an old Packard Hell computer. Most things work fine, but the standard XF86_SVGA xserver appears to have some problems - it works, sort of, but once the screen gets busy I get random pixels going the wrong color. It appears as if video memory is sometimes getting randomly corrupted. If I was running windows, I would suspect a bad video driver - but I'm not running a video driver. I am sure that this is a case of crappy hardware, but I also know that windows managed to work around it somehow, so it can be done. Since the only documentation I have on the hardware is a sticker on the box which says 1Mb video memory upgradable to 2Mb, I configured X by accepting all the defaults I could find, and probing for anything it would let me probe for. This, of course, is probably what went wrong. Does anyone have any tips on how I can figure out how X *should* have been configured, or whether it would have been possible to use one of the accelerated servers instead of the basic one? One thing I've found about Packard Bell that's nice... If you go to their web site there's a section under customer service (I think) where you can enter the serial number for your pc and get some fairly detailed info about the hardware in it, right down to the actual chipsets used. It comes in really handy with the older ones where documentation no longer exists. HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- To this day, it is 1999, isn't the male primarily responsible for the physical defense of the American home? If you hear a creak on the floor downstairs in the middle of the night, the woman never says, 'Let me check.' You have to check. ... I mean, give me a break! The reason men are more pro-gun is because they are responsible for the physical protection of the American home. --CNBC's Chris Matthews on the gun control gender gap.
Re: Lynx Problems
On Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 04:41:52AM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 11:39:20AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: I don't even know if its running . all I can tell for sure is when I type lynx something responds telling me its looking for server homepage, but after a few mins gives up and says STARTFILE:richardson.apana.org.au not found OK, you are going to have to go into the /etc/lynx/cfg file. There is line near the top like this: STARTFILE:URL I suggest using a local file (else lynx won't start if you net connection is down) so: STARTFILE:file://localhost/path/to/file.html alternatively you can specify a URL on the command line: bash$ lynx http://www.debian.org Basic lynx navigation: [snipped] Doug, if you're still having problems accessing urls with lynx, here's something you might try. Install the dnsutils package, then try something like 'nslookup www.debian.org'. If you get a long pause, then an error about host not found, your reslover configuration is not working correctly. If, on the other hand, it works ok, try 'lynx www.debian.org'. Let us know the results of both, so we can figure out which way to take it further. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The holy passion of Friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money. --Mark Twain
dselect help for beginners
After the recent uproar over dselect, I started looking for some decent documentation that I could point to when someone was having problems. I found several documents in the .../disks-i386/current directory on my local mirror: ch-dselect-intro.html ch-dselect-main.html ch-dselect-conclusion.html ch-dselect-glossary.html -and- dselect-beginner.html dselect-beginner.txt They look pretty good, although they might not go into enough detail. What would it take to get them included in the dpkg package to be installed in /usr/doc/dpkg? It would be much better to say 'look in /usr/doc/dpkg' than to say 'check out http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current'. Any thoughts? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty by close application thereto, it is worse execute by two persons and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein. -- George Washington, 1732-1799
Re: Occasional Error
On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 12:30:22PM -0600, Cheshire wrote: Nothing major, but here's what happening and I don't really know why. I run a script from a vt to connect to the internet, and every once in a while I get something like this come up on that terminal: date time Failed to open configuration file /etc/exim.conf Now I can just hit a key and continue like normal, but I just don't know why that's happening in the first place. I have exim installed, but as far as I can tell, it isn't running. At least I haven't gone out of my way to run it, and ps isn't identifying an exim operation. I don't find any exim references in my scripts either. Could it be coming from an exim script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d ?? Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- No one who has never made a night carrier landing may be justified in criticizing a man who has. -- Jeff Cooper -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: Iwill scsi 2935uw
On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 11:06:26PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Description: Mail message body Hi All, I've been trying for a while now to get linux installed on my machine. It's an IWILL 2935UW. There is a stuff at the card web site www.iwill.net that will help with redhat but nothing for debian, I've tried using the kernel supplied with that but it causes a kernel panic . (I wonder why..) Anything was worth a shot. Anyway IÂ’ve found a un -compiled driver for the card and was wondering if someone could throw it into an install kernel for me. Thanks.. Please don't send 50K attachments to the list. thanks. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Fortune Documents the Great Legal Decisions: We think that we may take judicial notice of the fact that the term bitch may imply some feeling of endearment when applied to a female of the canine species but that it is seldom, if ever, so used when applied to a female of the human race. Coming as it did, reasonably close on the heels of two revolver shots directed at the person of whom it was probably used, we think it carries every reasonable implication of ill-will toward that person. -- Smith v. Moran, 193 N.E. 2d 466. -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: Suggestion for Newbie Guide Lines
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:15:13PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: Debian-user I was looking in my mail dir today and noticed my debian-user folder exceeds 4 Meg for this month. In reviewing the question and answers for the last few days, it seems like there is a lot of wasted bandwidth. I was having problems with the size of my mail folders, being subscribed to debian-user, debian-devel and posfix-users, so I set up logrotate to archive them when any of them hit the 2M mark. Works like a charm (I use the nocompress option so I can still browse the archives when needed). Mike -- [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy. -- Han Solo
Re: Diald auth problem
On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 12:13:57PM +0200, Robert-Jan Kuijvenhoven wrote: Hi, I have a problem with diald. Diald connects and then disconnects with the message: peer refused to authenticate It does work when I remove auth from the /etc/ppp/options file, but the man pages say that I should not do this. Can anyone tell me how to solve this problem? TIA, Robert-Jan Kuijvenhoven Hmm.. it's been a long time since I've used diald, but... in /etc/diald there's a config file (don't remember the name). You can add a line like: ppp-options noauth to pass additional options to pppd. Like I say, it's been a long time, so you might want to 'man diald' to make sure I got that right. Anyway, that should point you in the right direction. HTH, Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- The two most common things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Re: the dselect debate
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:35:46PM -0300, Chris Dion wrote: I'm new to both Linux in general and the debian distribution specifically. I found that dselect, though awkward at first, was rather easy to use and quite powerful. That's not to say that the interface couldn't be improved somewhat. Is work on dselect ongoing, and is the source available? If so, I'd like to take some of the suggestions and concerns voiced on this list and have a go at improving the tool. That's assuming my programming skills are up to the task ; ) About the only thing I can help you with here is the location of the source code. If you have apt installed, then running apt-get source dpkg will fix you right up. I looked at it, but there's not much I can do (not C/C++ programmer). Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. -- John Adams -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: why so much hate?
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 04:31:16PM +1000, Carley, Jason (Australia) wrote: I think that is a little harsh. I totally agree that everyone should read the docs. However, that does not create an excuse for unintuitive interface design. An app that is designed to cover new as well as experienced users I really have to step in here. The 'intuitive' argument is habitually used to argue against *any* software that doesn't conform in every way to the expectation of whoever is trying to use it. There is no 'intuitive interface' and users expectations vary greatly depending on their background. A wise man once sayeth: The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on X interfaces There is only one keystroke that the dselect user (beginner or advanced) needs to remember, and that's the '?'. Everything else follows from there. (sorry for the rant, but this is getting kinda old) Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- But I don't want to go on the cart... Oh, don't be such a baby! But I'm feeling much better... No you're not... in a moment you'll be stone dead! -- Monty Python, The Holy Grail
Re: Setup Issues
On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 01:56:26AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: Would someone please tell me where to find info on the following can't find anything relevant in HOWTO's or MAN pages or that makes any sense to me (1) When I ping a remote site . how to stop the stuff ?? Ctrl-C will stop the ping, or you can send a predetermined number of ping using the -c switch, like: ping -c 1 www.debian.org This will stop after 1 ping. (2)When I try to get Lynx working, it initially seems like its looking for the URL but then it stops and gives a can't access startfile message. I found the lynx.cfg file but the MAN page is really confusing and there doesn't appear to be any sort of HOWTO on lynx I think you get this when DNS lookup failed. Check to make sure you have DNS addresses set up in /etc/resolv.conf. (man resolv.conf) Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- In Corning, Iowa, it's a misdemeanor for a man to ask his wife to ride in any motor vehicle.
Re: why so much hate?
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 11:32:04PM +1000, Jason Carley wrote: Michael Merten wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 04:31:16PM +1000, Carley, Jason (Australia) wrote: I think that is a little harsh. I totally agree that everyone should read the docs. However, that does not create an excuse for unintuitive interface design. An app that is designed to cover new as well as experienced users I really have to step in here. The 'intuitive' argument is habitually used to argue against *any* software that doesn't conform in every way to the expectation of whoever is trying to use it. There is no 'intuitive interface' and users expectations vary greatly depending on their background. A wise man once sayeth: Sure there is room here for opinion. Mine however, as a new user of debian, is that dselect can be improved. It is not a slight on the fabric of debian merely an observation. Having just ben through the process of installation, I feel I can comment with some recency. First off, I didn't intend my comment to be construed as a slight on you. People have been arguing the 'intuitiveness' of this or that for as long as I've been subscribed to these lists. I just happened to be reading *your* message when I felt the need to reply. :) Second, I didn't try to imply that dselect couldn't be improved. I merely object to the *idea* that any program can be designed in such a way that people totally unfamiliar with it can jump right in use it like they were born to it (which is what 'intuitive' implies). I am sure you are very experienced with debian and can thus use almost all of its tools better than I can. But there are areas where dselect can be difficult to follow and somewhat dangerous to use if you are not totally familiar with it. I guess it is an appropriate proving ground, a test if you will. But is that really the point of a package management application? Not knowing you personally, I wouldn't be inclined to make any assumptions based on our comparative abilities. I agree that dselect can be dangerous for the unwary, but you have to consider its purpose. It's designed to modify the very fabric of your operating system. I put it to you that any program (including apt) with these capabilities is inherently dangerous and should be approached with caution. Having said that, I would have to agree that it is rather easy to unknowingly make changes in package selections, if you don't know what to watch out for. However, I'm not sure what could be done about it. The real problem, as I see it, is that there is only so much you can readably display in 80x25 characters. Perhaps something simple could be done to make your changes stand out, like making the status indicators blink for each package that was modified during the session. Why not have a novice mode in dselect? That way any expert user can plug away with the current format. new users could have more handholding? The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on X interfaces I don't know that that quote adds much... I reality we have all seen bad interfaces and good interfaces. In general I think that a good interface should enable a technical person to sit down without a lot of prior training and work their way through the application. Not perfectly but safely and in such a way that some work Sure, good interfaces and bad interfaces. But the point of my original posting was simply that good or bad, none of them are intuitive. Also, whether they are good or bad for you depends largely on your own personal background and experiences. Dselect provides you with all the information you need; you just have to pay close attention to what it tells you. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind. -- Rincewind (from _Eric_)
Re: Bootup logo
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 09:02:23PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: Subject: Bootup logo Date: Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:25:51AM +1000 In reply to:Gareth Quoting Gareth([EMAIL PROTECTED]): G'day all, I have heard its possible to display the linux logo on the screen at startup, does anyone know where I can find out HOWTO do this? I did a Locate slink and got /var/state/apt/lists/ I then did a grep logo /var/state/apt/lists/* and got /var/state/apt/lists/debian.midco.net_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages:Package: linuxlogo [snip] Description: Color ANSI Penguin with system information An ANSI Color Penguin Logo with some system information that is I really think for potato, the package should be renamed to debianlogo, since it now displays the swirl. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- NRA Life Member -- http://www.nra.org --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first.
Re: Linux LAN probs - a shaggy dog story?
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 09:53:07PM -0500, Aaron Solochek wrote: Btw, if you want to get involved in a nightmare, tell me why the only way I can get the net connection to my room working is to use this ONE SPECIFIC CABLE COMBINATION!! All the cables are straight through and work everywhere else. But for some reason, although I get a link, no packets go through with anything other than short yellow in the basement and big yellow up here ugh hmmm... what kind of network are you using? Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Laugh while you can, monkey-boy. -- Dr. Emilio Lizardo
Re: Linux LAN probs - a shaggy dog story?
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:05:52PM -0500, Aaron Solochek wrote: No, its all cat5, some store bought, some homemade. -Aaron Solochek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like you've got problems with the wiring. I can't believe the number of times I've found problems with incorrectly wired 10BAseT cables, put together by people who should know better. I'd clip the ends off the cables and redo them. Make sure you've got one twisted pair on pins 12, and one twisted pair on pins 36. The pairs on 45 and 78 aren't used. On a correctly wired cable, I've never noticed electrical interference problems. Most store-bought cables I've used are wired incorrectly. HTH, Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important, but especially so at a moment when rights the most essential to our welfare have been violated. --Thomas Jefferson
Re: Back Again - CDRom
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 04:01:23PM +0100, Artur Correia wrote: OK, As expected, ran into some more problems: #1. How the hell do i see the contents of a cdrom? I've tried in the shell mount /dev/hdb and mount /dev/cdrom, but i got a message saying that that file was not in the file fstab or mtab... and, in fact, it isn't. The starnge part is tha if i run dselect with the cd rom with the debian distribution the program accesses the cd and install all the packages from it? So, what do i do? Desperately waiting for a solution, AC Tks You could try: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /cdrom You could also add the following line to your /etc/fstab file: /dev/hdb /cdromiso9660 defaults,ro,noauto,user0 0 That way, simply typing 'mount /cdrom' would work. (The above examples assume /dev/hdb *is* your cdrom. If it ain't, edit appropriately) HTH, Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Bank error in your favor. Collect $200.
Re: Potato upgrade and Perl warnings...
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 04:20:49PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Michael Merten wrote: I'm too paranoid to use apt-get upgrade... at least with dselect you actually get so see *which* packages are getting upgraded/removed/etc. I can't see how blindly using apt-get upgrade can be safer. Anyone that trashes their system with dselect really should learn to pay a bit more attention to what they do. :) Try the '-u' and '-s' options for apt-get, they will show what it is going I'll check that out, thanks. to do in a generally mode compact form than dselect does. Dselect doesn't actually tell you exctly what is going to happen, upgrades are done silently unless there is a hold.. Uh, I really think that's what the Updated Standard packages, Updated Optional packages, etc sections of the select screen are for. OTOH, I totally agree that dselect can be dangerous for anyone that mistakenly skips the 'select' stage. Perhaps it would be better if 'update' kicks you directly into 'select' instead of returning to the menu. Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Infinite: Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real wow, that's big, time. Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here. --Douglas Adams 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Re: Potato upgrade and Perl warnings...
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 04:29:47PM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 05:08:47PM -0500, Michael Merten wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 05:15:29PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote:
Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
=
= Using 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' appears to be safer than
= upgrading with dselect. The offending packages are held back and
= netscape, etc., are not marked for removal.
Ahh! I was wondering why I saw around four packages held back when I last
upgraded. Thanks for that, too!!! Apt-get is truly remarkable.
I'm too paranoid to use apt-get upgrade... at least with dselect you
actually get so see *which* packages are getting upgraded/removed/etc.
I can't see how blindly using apt-get upgrade can be safer. Anyone
that trashes their system with dselect really should learn to pay a
bit more attention to what they do. :)
apt-get upgrade won't list which packages it wants to upgrade, but will
list new packages, packages it will remove and packages held back,
giving you a chance to exit before it actually does anything. With
dselect, I kept going around in circles on the dependency/conflict
resolution screens.
If you are really paranoid, you can always run 'apt-get -s upgrade' to
simulate what it would do.
Ok, I added the following to my /etc/apt.conf file:
APT
{
Get
{
Show-Upgraded true;
};
};
I'll see how that works out. I don't know, maybe I'm just wierd, but
I find the conflict resolution screens really helpful. Maybe I've
just been using it long enough that I actually expect it to work the
way it does??
Mike
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Re: M$CHAP with PPP
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 12:11:32PM +1000, Damon Muller wrote: On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:52:20 -0500 Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The NT server I'm trying to connect to is definitely using the M$CRAP^H^H^HHAP mentioned in one of the doc files included with ppp (it's different from the standard CHAP). To date I still haven't managed to get this to work. I've also had a play around with this, trying to connect to an NT server, and have also had no luck. I wonder if the default debian pppd has MSCHAP80 support compiled in already? in the README.MSCHAP doc, it says that the client (my debian machine), so respond with an NAck, saying it doesn't understand CHAP80, but mine responds with an Ack. I'm not sure I exactly understand what is going on, but here is the relevant bit of my ppp.log Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x0 asyncmap 0x0 auth chap 80 magic 0x52dc pcomp accomp] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x0 asyncmap 0x0 auth chap 80 magic 0x52dc pcomp accomp] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0xef142e3e pcomp accomp] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xef142e3e] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x14 b8c560ecb9d27626, name = ] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: sent [CHAP Response id=0x14 2c02709fb8f21e7fa8fe7b8a7b666bda3c5b8f06125a3ab201, name = damonm] Jul 15 13:05:11 rei pppd[28567]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x52dc] Jul 15 13:05:14 rei pppd[28567]: sent [CHAP Response id=0x14 2c02709fb8f21e7fa8fe7b8a7b666bda3c5b8f06125a3ab201, name = damonm] Jul 15 13:05:14 rei pppd[28567]: rcvd [CHAP Failure id=0x14 E=691 R=1] Jul 15 13:05:14 rei pppd[28567]: Remote message: E=691 R=1 Jul 15 13:05:14 rei pppd[28567]: CHAP authentication failed It looks like it responded to the chap challenge, yet it still failed to authenticate. This is with the default pppd included with slink. Well, you certainly got farther along than I did. I can't get pppd (2.3.8) to even Ack the chap request. However, something is strange here... from your log, you're geting 'auth chap 80' requests, from my log, I'm getting 'auth chap m$oft' requests. That's probably why my pppd isn't responing to it. :/ For you problem, you may need to specify (in chap-secrets) the NT domain as well as the username / password, like this: domain\\username remotename password remotename domain\\username password Also note that as according to the docs, you have to specify two lines with the username and remote name swapped. Beats me why. HTH, Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- How many hardware guys does it take to change a light bulb? Well the diagnostics say it's fine buddy, so it's a software problem.
Re: plog and wvdial output
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 12:41:49AM -0700, David Karlin wrote: Hello, My ppp connection quit working this afternoon, and before finding out that there was a problem on my ISP's end, I reran pppconfig, and edited a config file or two, but I can't remember exaxtly what I did. Well now my ISP is back up again, but my PPP connection is broken. Here's the plog output. It loops infinitely spewing lines like these, differing only by the timestamp: Jul 16 00:13:00 champagne pppd[427]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0xd3 addr 192.168.1.10 compress VJ 0f 01] Jul 16 00:13:00 champagne pppd[427]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0xd3 addr 206.175.227.6] [snip] Try adding the line noipdefault to your /etc/ppp/peers/isp file. Your pppd is insisting on an ip of 192.168.1.10, but your ISP refuses to accept it. When I run wvdial, it also loops, trying (unsuccessfully) to make a connection. Here is the output from wvdial: ATDT 9494614 CONNECT 14400/ARQ -- Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt. 0025VLE Host Name: -- Looks like a login prompt. -- Sending: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't help you with this one. If anyone can make sense of this, it would sure be appreciated. If you need any other info, please let me know. Thanks, --David HTH, Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- They can't stop us... we're on a mission from God! -- The Blues Brothers
Re: rsync mirror
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 09:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Dalton wrote: Then share it with us, so that we may all be better off for it. Michael Merten wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 12:19:58AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Michael Merten wrote: Hi, I'm trying to locate a debian mirror in the US that allows rsync access. Does anybody know of one? Well, give me an email address that works and I can put you in contact with someone. That's ok, I found what I was looking for. Thanks! Ok, I found the info I needed on http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- The trouble with this country is that there are too many politicians who believe, with a conviction based on experience, that you can fool all of the people all of the time. -- Franklin Adams -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: fw: Fetchmail problems
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 09:22:28AM +0200, Gary Richard van Blerk wrote: Does this mean that fetchmail is incapable of doing this type of thing automatically? As far as I can see, fetchmail will connect to the server and forward the mail to your server on port 25. If this is the case, why can't it keep the original to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and forward it user xxx. My server is a dial-up type and the domain name I gave the server matches the email address. Can fetchmail not forward the messages directly to your localhosts mailer eg. sendmail? many thanks Gary I really don't know. Since my remote email account doesn't match my local account, I have to tell fetchmail to rewrite the header using the following: poll remote server with proto POP3 and options no dns user pop account name there with password password is \ local account name here options fetchall mimedecode warnings 3600 If the original To: header is correct for your local machine, I really don't see why it wouldn't work like you want it to. However, I'm far from being an expert on fetchmail (or mail in general for that matter), so perhaps someone else on the list can kick in here with more info. [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- ... a Texas district court has just now ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right, not a collective right. Hooray for the judge! This matter has always seemed perfectly clear, but there are those who will keep on arguing about it, apparently forever. -- Jeff Cooper
Re: Potato upgrade and Perl warnings...
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 05:15:29PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote: Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = Using 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' appears to be safer than = upgrading with dselect. The offending packages are held back and = netscape, etc., are not marked for removal. Ahh! I was wondering why I saw around four packages held back when I last upgraded. Thanks for that, too!!! Apt-get is truly remarkable. I'm too paranoid to use apt-get upgrade... at least with dselect you actually get so see *which* packages are getting upgraded/removed/etc. I can't see how blindly using apt-get upgrade can be safer. Anyone that trashes their system with dselect really should learn to pay a bit more attention to what they do. :) BTW, I took a look at apt-find... I notice on the help screen that there appears to be no way to explicitly 'hold' a package... was that intentional, or an oversight? Mike [I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC: me on replys.] -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- In Tennessee, it is illegal to shoot any game other than whales from a moving automobile.
rsync mirror
Hi, I'm trying to locate a debian mirror in the US that allows rsync access. Does anybody know of one? TIA, Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Fortune's Real-Life Courtroom Quote #7: Q: What happened then? A: He told me, he says, I have to kill you because you can identify me. Q: Did he kill you? A: No.
Re: rsync mirror
On Tue, Jul 13, 1999 at 10:32:07PM -0500, Michael Merten wrote: Hi, I'm trying to locate a debian mirror in the US that allows rsync access. Does anybody know of one? Uhh, never mind. I got it figured out. ;/ Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- The Ranger isn't gonna like it, Yogi.
Re: rsync mirror
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 12:19:58AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Michael Merten wrote: Hi, I'm trying to locate a debian mirror in the US that allows rsync access. Does anybody know of one? Well, give me an email address that works and I can put you in contact with someone. That's ok, I found what I was looking for. Thanks! Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- It is said that the admonishment to the defenders of Bunker Hill was, Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes. Did you ever ask yourself how far away that is? Set that test up sometime in your own front yard and let me know the results. This may be established as the effective range of the smooth-bore flintlock musket on a man-sized target. -- Jeff Cooper
Re: M$CHAP with PPP
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 03:27:04AM -0700, Martin Waller wrote: I had problems connecting to my provider with chap (but whether its the same version as your chap I don't know), and I used the ppp-config to set it up once all my 'by hand' efforts had failed. It worked a charm, but I say I'm not sure my provider uses your provider's version of chap. HTH Martin The NT server I'm trying to connect to is definitely using the M$CRAP^H^H^HHAP mentioned in one of the doc files included with ppp (it's different from the standard CHAP). To date I still haven't managed to get this to work. Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- New Hampshire law forbids you to tap your feet, nod your head, or in any way keep time to the music in a tavern, restaurant, or cafe. -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: .bash_history
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 09:23:12AM -0400, Michael E. Touloumtzis wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 02:05:27PM +0100, Patrick Kirk wrote: ... Is there a way that if the last 15 commands were ls preceded by 10 mutts amd preceded by three tops, then the uparrow would first show ls, then mutt and then top? man bash export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups Thanks for that one! Now I'm wondering why that wouldn't be the default case... -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- A morsel of genuine history is a thing so rare as to be always valuable. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Wierd subject names in mutt
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 04:44:27PM +0100, Patrick Kirk wrote: Hi all, I keep finding my inbox full of subjects like A** and I suspect it started when I put lists debian-user in my .muttrc Does anyone know why? I'm pasting in a few lines: 2 Jul 14 To debian-user@ ( 12) .bash_history 3 r Jul 14 To debian-user@ ( 12) ÀÄ 4 O Jul 14 To debian-user@ ( 27) ÀÄ 5 O Jul 14 Matthew Kirkwoo ( 90) Re: Did you get my mail yesterday? 6 Jul 14 Matthew Kirkwoo ( 90) Ã* 7 Jul 14 Matthew Kirkwoo ( 93) À* Actually, it seems to have been mangled even further when I tried pasting. Usually, its lots of accented A's and symbols. Hmm, I don't think that's going to be your problem. I use the lists setting in my .muttrc without problems. All it does AFAIK is allow you to use L to reply to the list instead of the original sender. I may be wrong. Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to hide the bodies of the slobs we have to kill for pissing us off ...
Re: Fetch mail problems
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 08:04:11PM +0200, Gary van Blerk wrote: Hi there, I've been using Debian now for about 2 years and still I am learning new things about it every day. I need some help with using fetchmail. I have a Debian server running sendmail. I have a domain registered for mail only. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can fetch all the mail quite well from the server using fetchmail but the problem is that the mail is stored in the wrong mailbox. Whichever user executes fetchmail gets all the mail. How can I fix this so all the mail will be delivered to the seperate users? Can fetchmail recieve mail and deliver it to the users it was addressed to? If anyone has some info about fetchmail, maybe a HOWTO or something I would appreciate it. many thanks Gary If I understand correctly, you're fetching mail from a multi-drop account, and you want it sorted and delivered to the intended accounts on your local server. There are probably easier ways to do this, but I'd set it up so that fetchmail was run as a particular user (maybe set up a special account for this) from a cron job (or ip-up.d script, if your system is on a dial-up) and set up a procmail filter for that user to forward the mail to the correct account based on the To: (or some other appropriate) header. HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- The holy passion of Friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money. --Mark Twain
Re: un-umount-able hd and irqs of pci
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Peter Allen wrote: Two questions, [snip] Second, I cannot remmember how to change the interrupt request of a pci card. I know I have read how to somewhere, but I can't get it to work. The problem I am having is that both my graphics card and my soundcard are trying unsuccesfully to share irq 11. I can't change it in my bios because the only option is to change irq 11 from pnp/pci to legacy isa, which moves both to another interupt, both the same one. AFAIK, the bios assigns PCI interrupts at boot time. You should be able to (in CMOS setup) tell the BIOS that certain interrupts are not available (used by isa cards). HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Everything that emancipates the spirit without giving us control over ourselves is harmful. --Goethe
Re: fetchmail woes
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 03:15:57PM +0100, Patrick Kirk wrote: Hi all, After a heavy couple of hours reading man fetchmail I came up with this .fetchmailrc: set postmaster patrick poll pop.dial.pipex.com with proto POP3 user maxy36 there with password ngookich is patrick here options fetchall warnings 3600 But I get this message when I try to run it. rhino:~# fetchmail File /root/.fetchmailrc must have no more than -rwx--x--- (0710) permissions. Also, after chown 0710 I get ^ Use chmod instead? rhino:~# ls -al .fetchmailrc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 164 Jul 12 15:51 .fetchmailrc What am I doing wrong? Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Sometimes when I get up in the morning, I feel very peculiar. I feel like I've just got to bite a cat! I feel like if I don't bite a cat before sundown, I'll go crazy! But then I just take a deep breath and forget about it. That's what is known as real maturity. -- Snoopy
Re: un-umount-able hd and irqs of pci
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 07:31:01PM +0100, Peter Allen wrote: Michael Merten wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Peter Allen wrote: Two questions, [snip] Second, I cannot remmember how to change the interrupt request of a pci card. I know I have read how to somewhere, but I can't get it to work. The problem I am having is that both my graphics card and my soundcard are trying unsuccesfully to share irq 11. I can't change it in my bios because the only option is to change irq 11 from pnp/pci to legacy isa, which moves both to another interupt, both the same one. AFAIK, the bios assigns PCI interrupts at boot time. You should be able to (in CMOS setup) tell the BIOS that certain interrupts are not available (used by isa cards). When I do that both the soundcard and the graphics card go to the next interupt, also the same one. You mean, *BOTH* are PCI and are getting the same interrupt?? I've never heard of that. PCI are supposed to be assigned on a slot by slot basis. Have you tried relocating the cards to other slots? Other than that, I don't know what to suggest :/ Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Hailing frequencies open, Captain.
Re: sndconfig.rpm to .deb question
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 01:27:15PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: me. The advice, oft given, to see what resources a card uses in Windows, and then try those, was bad advice indeed for me. It threw me WAY off. The main thing I didn't have a clue about was how to edit isapnp.conf after I had created it with pnpdump. That's what sndconfig did for me, so if you use I've never tried RedHat, and so I'm not familiar with sndconfig, but I've always wondered why Debian didn't have a 'isapnpconfig' script that could read a pnpdump file and build a menu of options for generating a proper isapnp.conf file (something like what pppconfig does for ppp). Hopefully, one of those script (or perl) wizards out there will get time to tackle this one day. Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit]
Re: M$CHAP with PPP
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 01:14:30PM -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: I'm going to bet that it isn't liking the entries in your chap-secrets file. It probably isn't matching the entry you've made. Ok, my chap-secrets file is set up like this... ntdomain\\username isp password isp ntdomain\\username password I do know that the ntdomain must be given. Even logging in with Win, you get repeated authorization dialogs until you enter the correct NT domain. In my /etc/ppp/peers/isp file I have: hide-password noauth connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/isp debug /dev/ttyS1 115200 defaultroute noipdefault -am user username remotename isp ipparam isp usepeerdns Note that I had to include the -am option in the above because when my side of the connection sent an LCP packet requesting asyncmap negotiation (usually the first thing sent), the other side dropped carrier. Finally, /etc/chatscript/isp is: ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' '' ATZ OK-AT-OK ATDT*70,ispphone CONNECT \d\c I'm at a loss to figure out anything else to do. I have logged in using Win dial-up, so I know the username/password/ntdomain are correct. Any ideas? Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- It is now pitch dark. If you proceed, you will likely fall into a pit.
M$CHAP with PPP
Hi, Has anyone been able to get ppp to work with MSCHAP80? I've done (as far as I can tell) everything the /usr/doc/ppp/README.MSCHAP80.gz file says to do, (downloaded and installed libdes, rebuilt the ppp package locally, edited the /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file, etc) but my pppd is still rejecting the auth requests: [snip] Jul 10 19:28:36 casper pppd[7055]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 Jul 10 19:28:37 casper pppd[7055]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 magic 0x3f677f9d pcomp accomp] Jul 10 19:28:37 casper pppd[7055]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x0 asyncmap 0x0 auth chap m$oft magic 0x564e pcomp accomp] Jul 10 19:28:37 casper pppd[7055]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x0 asyncmap 0x0 auth chap m$oft] Jul 10 19:28:37 casper pppd[7055]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 magic 0x3f677f9d pcomp accomp] Jul 10 19:28:38 casper pppd[7055]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1 00 00 02 dc] Jul 10 19:28:38 casper pppd[7055]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x1] Jul 10 19:28:38 casper pppd[7055]: Hangup (SIGHUP) [snip] I normally wouldn't worry about this, but I can access the internet through this server for free, if I can get it working. BTW, I'm using ppp 2.3.8. TIA, Mike -- Michael Merten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) --- CenLA-LUG Founder (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Bank error in your favor. Collect $200. --
user list
Hi, Is there an easy way to get a list of all regular user ( UID 1000 ) accounts on the system? I can't find the userls command I used to use on SCO. Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank. -- Scotty
Re: user list
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 07:07:38PM -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
sure there is!
perl -e 'while (@F = getpwent()) {if ($F[2] 1000) { print $F[0], \n; }}'
Thanks for that one! (One of these days I'll get around to learning Perl)
Mike
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Re: user list
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 09:42:58PM -0400, Carl Mummert wrote:
Is there an easy way to get a list of all regular user ( UID 1000 )
accounts on the system? I can't find the userls command I used to use
on SCO.
awk -F ':' '{if ($3 999) print $0}' /etc/passwd
Thanks!
Mike
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Re: where do i find crypt ?
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 03:08:58AM -, Pollywog wrote: On 08-Jul-99 Chad A. Adlawan wrote: hello all, ive been trying to compile cops and crack but i keep on getting this error : /tmp/ccc00945: In function `try': /tmp/ccc00945(.text+0xb83): undefined reference to `crypt' can anyone tell me please where/what package do i get the crypt function from ? Isn't that in libc6, folks? -- Andrew I think you need to toss in a -lcrypt (IIRC). Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Fast ship? You mean you've never heard of the Millennium Falcon? -- Han Solo
.xsession-errors file
Hi, I'm using Windowmaker from potato, and lately I've noticed my .xsession-errors file consists of seeming endless lines of heyho! It's really getting annoying. After a couple of hours this afternoon, it was over 6M in size. Where the heck is it coming from, and how do I turn it off??? :) Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty by close application thereto, it is worse execute by two persons and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein. -- George Washington, 1732-1799
Re: Exim troubles
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 08:01:29PM -0800, Ben Lutgens wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 03:59:15AM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Ben == Ben Lutgens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben I just upgraded and now I can't send mail to any addresses at my Ben ISP, What upgrade? From which version to which? The latest in unstable Ben I have to masquerade my box as my ISP so mail will get through Ben to any addresses but if I do exim doesn't query the Smart host Ben for the recipient name. How should it query the smarthost for the recipient? You send the mail , how should the smarthost know to whom you want send mail to, if your MTA doesn't tell it? I get this error so I assume it's not sending these through the Smarthost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part foxx in domain mosquitonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] is his username at our ISP. And since exim thinks my box is called mosquitonet.com it looks only on my server for a username of foxx, finds none and pukes. If you have problems, your call for help is usually more effective, if you send some hard facts, like error mails you received from some MTA and the relevant parts form log file. Log excerpt from one of the damnable errors 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL3-00069r-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part foxx in domain mosquitonet.co m 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL4-00069t-00 = R=111fL3-00069r-00 U=mail P=local S=1538 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL3-00069r-00 Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL3-00069r-00 Completed 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL4-00069t-00 = fugas [EMAIL PROTECTED] D=localuser T=local_delivery 1999-07-06 16:13:26 111fL4-00069t-00 Completed Without the complete error message, it is just guesswork, which is a waste of time. Ciao, Martin I had this problem before, with smail and sendmail... IIRC you want to masquerade as the isp domain, but configure your mailer to NOT accept mail for that domain. I think I had to turn off the option to rewrite unqualified address as well... so if you send mail to user it gets delivered locally, but if you send to user@ispdomain it gets sent to the smarthost. However, I'm not sure how to do that with exim. Hope this helps (in some vague kind of way), Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- It's time to dust off that 10th Amendment to the Constitution. --Elizabeth Dole on limiting federal power. [The Federalist (www.Federalist.com)]
Re: Follow symlinks
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 07:31:26PM -0400, Gonzalo Diethelm wrote: Hello, I saw on the Web a discussion about forcing mirror to follow the symlinks and actually download the files they point to (especially useful if you want to, for example, mirror debian/unstable). Alas, I can't get it to work. My package file looks like this: [snip] I wrestled with this for a while before settling on a simple method. What I ended up with is this: /etc/mirror/packages/potato package=PotatoMain # comment=Debian Potato Main # site=ftp.mi.us.debian.org remote_dir=/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386 remote_user=anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] flags_recursive=-lRatL local_dir=/usr/local/ftp/pub/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386 mail_to=root disconnect=true # compress_patt=Packages(-Master)? # max_delete_files=100% do_deletes=true package=PotatoContrib # comment=Debian Potato Contrib # site=ftp.mi.us.debian.org remote_dir=/debian/dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386 remote_user=anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] flags_recursive=-lRatL local_dir=/usr/local/ftp/pub/debian/dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386 mail_to=root disconnect=true # compress_patt=Packages(-Master)? # max_delete_files=100% do_deletes=true package=PotatoNonFree # comment=Debian Potato Non-Free # site=ftp.mi.us.debian.org remote_dir=/debian/dists/potato/non-free/binary-i386 remote_user=anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] flags_recursive=-lRatL local_dir=/usr/local/ftp/pub/debian/dists/potato/non-free/binary-i386 mail_to=root disconnect=true # compress_patt=Packages(-Master)? # max_delete_files=100% do_deletes=true This in effect makes 3 runs at the binary-i386 level and results in all symlinks getting flattened right out. Also eliminates the need for most (all?) of the exclude_patt specs. It works fine, but I don't know what kind of additional load I'm causing on the mirror site by not using the ls-lR.gz file. Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.
Re: Just my opinion
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 03:10:50PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, John Galt wrote: Okay, leave. Debian doesn't need you more than you need it. See you when you get a clue. Well, I think THAT kind of comment is just as bad. I have been using Debian since before 1.0 and it IS difficult to install and get set up. The thing is that the initial installation is important to a newbie because that is what they are focused on at the start. The fact that it will save them hours and hours down the road in maintenance once they DO get it set up is not very important at that stage. [snip] The original poster was probably just frustrated after having spent a weekend trying to get Debian installed. Comments such as the one you made do not show the Debian user community in a good light. The poster exposed the major weakness in Debian. Don't shoot the messenger ... listen. I agree with you here, George... but you have to admit that messages that shout insults like 'Debian is worthless crap' generally are not well received on any of these lists. I think when anybody gets to the point where this is all they have to say, they really DO need to put it aside and get on with something else. Users that need help usually begin by posting messages like 'Hello, I'm trying to do somehting and can't get it to work. Can somebody help?'. That usually gets treated much better than 'I'm pissed off! Debian doesn't even do something! It's really WORTHLESS CRAP!'. Just *MY* $.02 Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
Re: dselect and vi
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 12:10:24AM +, Dan wrote: So no one has any idea what may be causing my screen/keyboard problems in vi and dselect? It is really messed up... I couldn't find any info on the web either. Oh well. -dan Well, don't know how much help I'll be, but a few questions might be in order... What version of Debian are you running? Do you have Apt installed? If so, what is the output of 'apt-get check'? Also, what version of vi do you have installed? We ought to be able to come up with something. It's just a matter of figuring out which questions to ask :) Mike Hmmm.. is my sig trying to tell me something? -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Let a fool hold his tongue and he will pass for a sage. -- Publilius Syrus -- This signature was automatically generated with Signify v1.05. For this and other cool products, check out http://www.debian.org/.
Re: dselect and vi
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 12:58:36AM +, Dan wrote: First of all, thank you for your concern. I don't have apt installed apparently. I am running slink. I am convinced it has something to do with my screen and/or keyboard setup because this happens in both dselect and vi. I am telneting to my machine, so maybe I should hook a monitor to see if it is just some problem with the telnet output configuration. But do you know where the screen settings are offhand? I never knew there were any since I thought it was all just standard, but apparently there is. Once again thank you and I hope this info helps help at all. :) OIC, I missed the part about using a telnet connection. Yes, the terminal type you select is going to play a very important part in the operation of console based apps like vi and dselect. You'll have to play around a bit with using different terminal types (the terminfo files are located in the /usr/share/terminfo tree). Much will depend on the telnet software you are using. I don't know if the straight vt100 terminal type does arrow keys, so in vi, you'll probably need to use the original movement keys (h,j,k,l,u,m,etc). Check your term software... you might be able to use something a little better, like vt220 or vt320. If you're connecting from another linux or unix box, you might want to check out rlogin instead? Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the drug store, but that's just peanuts to space. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Re: Debian install fails utterly
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 09:51:49PM -0400, Bitt Faulk wrote: I have been trying to install Debian slink for about 3 working days now, and it will not happen. First off, let me say that I am new to Debian, but not to linux. I have been using it since 1991, so it's not a total newbie mistake, but it may be a Debian newbie mistake. I tried to boot off of the CDROM. The kernel hangs after it loads the driver for my SCSI adapter (on-board AIC7890). I found some documentation saying that the SCSI adapter can cause problems, but that someone (adric?) had created some boot floppies that solved the problem. I d/l'ed those and booted using them with the same hang. So I tried botting off of the second CDROM, the 'tecra' one, and it did not hang on the kernel boot, but it did panic because it evidently didn't know where to find the root filesystem. Then I tried creating a new boot floppy with a new kernel that didn't have support for my SCSI adapter at all (as it will not be used at all -- don't ask, it's another long story). While it booted okay, Quick question... Is there any way to disable the SCSI adaptor on the MBD? it also did not know where to find the root. I finally figured (not that it's documented anywhere that I can find) that I needed to boot via floppy with the 'ramdisk' method and that the root is in root.bin. Now I'm actually up to a point that looks like it's trying to install. I go through some stuff that looks okay until I get to a point where it's looking for resc1440-2.2.6.bin (2.2.6 is the kernel I compiled). It can't find it of course, and there appears to be no way to tell it to look for something else. And I can't get any farther. Then I have the idea to boot off of the 'tecra', but do a 'ramdisk' boot and have it load the root off of the floppy. This seems to boot fine until it tries to find the rescue disk again. This time it looks for a file that seems sane, but it can't find it, so I umount the tecra CDROM and mount the standard one. Then it seems able to find the disk image and everything goes okay until reboot, at which point it tries to boot off of that original kernel that hangs at the SCSI driver. At this point, I am ready to jump up and down on the install media, the motherboard with the SCSI adapter that I didn't want (again, don't ask), the vendor that sold it to me, my coworkers, the debian.org website, RedHat (just for laughs), both Deb and Ian, Adaptec, whoever wrote the Install Guide my mother; really, just about everybody in sight. I know I'm close to being in danger of offending everyone on this mailing list, but at this point, I'm real close to telling everyone I know that Debian is a true POS and to avoid it at all costs. I would really like to be able to avoid that. It's as if the folks making the distro decided that if you couldn't boot off of the CDROM without any additional options then they really didn't want your business. Try following the instructions for booting off of a floppy. It doesn't work. All it says is that you need to boot off of the Resuce Floppy (6.2). Try to find a I've never installed from CDROM, so just ignore me if you've already tried what I'm about to suggest... Check to see if you have a .../disks-i386/current/ directory on one of the CD's... If so, use the base14-1.bin thru base14-7.bin, resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin files and create a full set of install floppies. Note there are several resc images available (resc1440 resc1440-safe resc1440tecra resc1440tecra-safe). Also, I don't remember where it is, but there is a document somewhere explaining how to create a rescue disk using a custom kernel... maybe somebody else on the list can provide a reference??? reference to inserting the CDROM or an additional floppy or anything. I certainly couldn't. If I was installing Slackware, for instance, I would have tried to boot off of the CDROM, it would have hung up, and I would then have created two floppy disks, a boot and a root, and booted off of them, with all defaults accepted. I know that this works fine because I did it on this machine just to make sure that there wasn't a hardware problem. Anyway, now that I've come as close as humanly possible to creating pure flamebait, would someone PLEASE tell me that you're a complete idiot and you're going about it completely wrong and this is what you're supposed to be doing, you annoying fool. Derision would be fine if I could just get this f**ker installed. -Bitt Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. -- Thomas Jefferson -- Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776 [NRA-ILA (www.nraila.org)]
Re: Fate strikes again
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 03:33:15AM +, Dan wrote: Would you believe it? Thanks to the info in this message I relinked /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux and X finally worked with the mouse. (I tried /dev/psaux using the graphical xf86setup program, but it didn't work for some reason, how odd.) It is amazing, isn't it? Only problem now is that when I right click and hit Exit X all it does is restart X with the debian login... I think that oughta be fixed. I'll have to look into that script file, I forget what its called. Oh well. That's an easy one to fix... Remove the xdm package. You will then start with a console login. Type startx to start X, and when you 'exit' you'll return to a console prompt. (note: CTRL-ALT-F1 will switch you from X to a console login prompt, and ALT-F7 will get you back to X) Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [NRA-ILA (www.nraila.org)]
Re: Just my opinion
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 07:28:57AM -0400, Ipswitch wrote: On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, John Galt wrote: come to this conclusion: Debian is free because it's WORTHLESS! It won't drive your printer, it won't detect your modem, the documentation is incomplete, out of date, or simply wrong, and the installation procedure has more bugs than a Southeast Asian streetlight. Whatever the advantages of a Linux-type OS may be, no one with a life has the hundreds of hours obviously required to make this clunker run. Just my humble opinion. -- Max Albert I could say this about some other OSes that you have to pay money for. :-) This guy is lucky he didn't try something really hard like Solaris. If anything, Debian makes it too easy. :-) I'd like to see a description somewhere of what is done when installing various packages. I'd settle for a complete log of all output from the install process, maybe in /var/log/dpkg.log or such. Something that you can browse through after a lengthy install to see if you missed anything that needs further configuring. (If this is already done, could somebody point me to it?) Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Nuclear war would really set back cable. - Ted Turner
Re: Just my opinion
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 07:31:01AM -0400, Ipswitch wrote: On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Brad wrote: the documentation is incomplete, out of date, or simply wrong, You have a bit of a point there. Some of the HOWTOs are rather old and inaccurate, mostly because they were written a few years ago and there've been many advances since then. Most of the manpages on the other hand are relatively up-to-date, and many of the more complicated packages even come with examples (look in /usr/doc/[packagename]). The GNU manpages are really bad. Most just tell you that you shouldn't use them - use info instead. Yuck! Or even worse, a manpage that says nothing but 'read the html docs in /usr/doc/whatever'... IMHO, this is not a solution to the policy requiring a manpage. Manpages should *at least* show the syntax and available options for the command. At that point, a reference to more thorough documentation would be acceptable. Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- A little experience often upsets a lot of theory.
Re: How to disable prompt erase downloaded debs
On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Brendon Baumgartner wrote: Is it possible to stop dselect from asking Do you want to erase the downloaded .deb files (y/n)? prompt? There is an option in apt-get for this already. I'd rather have it default to no! I keep pressing enter and nuking hundreds of megs! what can i do?? bb man apt.conf HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Virginia law forbids bathtubs in the house; tubs must be kept in the yard.
Re: Remove funny files
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 05:51:50AM +0200, Rolf Edlund wrote: On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote: That is, rm -i -- --exclude=files.txt would have removed the file. One of the wonderful thing about Linux, is that there are several ways to fix things. :-) - * Linux - a more stable way to live * - -- Mvh Rolf Edlund Tel:070-3049194 Umm... wouldn't a simple rm '--excude=files.txt' work?? Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- What is the status of Linux' Unicode implementation. Will Linux be prepared for the first contact? We have full klingon console support just in case -- Alan Cox on linux-kernel
Re: Remove funny files
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 07:22:05AM +, Dan wrote: Whats excude? On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Michael Merten wrote: Umm... wouldn't a simple rm '--excude=files.txt' work?? That was one thing I tryed, but it din't work. rm: unrecognized option `--excude=files.txt' Try `rm --help' for more information. - * Linux - a more stable way to live * - -- Mvh Rolf Edlund Tel:070-3049194 excude is one of them thing-a-ma-jigs about... SO big... you know... I think them yankee's call'em typos -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties. --John Milton [The Federalist (www.Federalist.com)]
Re: E-mail for dummies - part 2
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 10:03:19PM +0800, Hans van den Boogert wrote: Thanks for the response guys. Sofar I understand that qmail and fetchmail are MTAs (Mail Transfer Agents), right? fetchmail downloads messages from a pop3/imap server and puts them into the local mail delivery system. (Besides, where do the messages end up and in what form?) Then exim (Mail Delivery Agents) delivers the mail to local users (I presume in /home/username) after which the MUA (Mail User Agents, like XFMail or some other marvel). So what about sending mail then? Using 'smail' sounds obvious, but how does the route from MUA to the SMTP server go. I've installed fetchmail and exim, but haven't had time to read the man pages. Does anybody have a good way to convert man pages into readable ASCII text, so I can print them out and read them off-line? (The purchasing tryman -t manpage | lpr to print a manpage to your printer. (man man gives more complete details). of a notebook is still in the pipeline, so printing will have to do for now :-) -- Hans Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- July 4: Statistics show that we lose more fools on this day than in all the other days of the year put together. This proves, by the number left in stock, that one Fourth of July per year is now inadequate, the country has grown so. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
Re: Remove funny files
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 08:37:50PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:49:55AM -0500, Michael Merten wrote: Umm... wouldn't a simple rm '--excude=files.txt' work?? No. The problem is rm trying to interpret --exclude as an option, not the shell being clever. Ok, I got it now. I tried to 'touch --exclude=files.txt' and got the 'unknown option' error. So... touch ./--exclude=files.txt worked ok, as did rm ./--exclude=files.txt Mike -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) -- Debian GNU/Linux Fan (http://www.debian.org) -- CenLA-LUG Member (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- It is illegal to say Oh, Boy in Jonesboro, Georgia.
Re: X won't start
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 12:15:01AM -0700, G. Crimp wrote: On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 09:14:14PM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: [snip] (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ (--) SVGA: PCI: Cirrus Logic GD5430 rev 45, Memory @ 0xe500 (--) SVGA: chipset: clgd5430 (--) SVGA: videoram: 512k (**) SVGA: Using 16 bpp, Depth 16, Color weight: 565 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 22.778 MHz (--) SVGA: There is no defined dot-clock matching mode 1024x768 ^ [snip] Have you examined your XF86Config to see if it got hosed somehow ? You might have to reconfigure. Hope this helps. Gerald Um... I noticed it detected only 512k ram. You are specifying 1024x768 at 16bpp color depth... are you sure there's enough memory for it? I've got 1024k vidram, and at 16bpp, all I can get is 800x600. Try dropping to 8bpp and see if it finds a mode it can use. Mike -- Michael Merten NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org) CenLA-LUG (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow. -- Patton
Re: still configuring PPP :-(
On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 05:35:09AM -0400, Isabelle Poueriet wrote: Hello and thanks a million to those who have responded to my request for taking some of your precious time to help me out. I downloaded wvdial and minicom like some of you suggested and wvdial cannot find my modem. I sent a message to them like they suggested because I am 100% sure that my modem is in Com3. For some reason Linux is not detecting it in ttyS2. Has anyone have this kind of problem before === wvdial not detecting their modem even when it is there and is working properly under windows? I checked the compatibility list and mine seems to be supported by Linux. It's a US Robotics 56K Voice INT. Sorry to take so long to respond... The USR 56K internal is a PNP modem (I'm using one at this time). You have 2 choices (I've had this one running using both methods). 1. Install the isapnp tools package and get it configured. (the kernel won't see this modem as a serial port if it's jumpered for pnp mode without doing this). I set my modem up this way originally, using com3 (/dev/ttyS2) with a non-standard IRQ. However, I installed so much neat hardware (junk) in this PC that I ran out of interrupts and decided to use method 2. -or- 2. Jumper the modem to disable pnp mode, then set the jumpers for the I/O port and IRQ you want to use. Done this way, the kernel will see it as a normal serial device, and you don't have to mess with the isapnp stuff. I changed my modem from com3 to com2, using IRQ3, and disabled the on-board com2 port in bios. The main problem with this method is you'll lose a serial port that you might be using for something else. (Note: you'll also have to change your setup in Win if you do this) I don't have my original isapnp.conf file, but I can help you get one set up if that's the way you want to go. Like I said, I'm jumping in late here, so you can ignore this post if you're already past this point. HTH, Mike -- Michael Merten NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org) CenLA-LUG (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Regardless of the legal speed limit, your Buick must be operated at speeds faster than 85 MPH (140kph). -- 1987 Buick Grand National owners manual.
Re: A stylistic question?
On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 01:04:06PM +0200, Jack Versfeld wrote: Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: Hi. I finally worked out how to do the Linux equivalent of batch files (scripts) and was wondering if there was a generally accepted directory for keeping user (and/or root) scripts in. I don't think there is, but it is generally accepted that anything that is not host-specific (such as binaries, which depend on the CPU) should go under /usr/share. Unless someone has a better idea I would put general-purpose scripts in /usr/share/bin. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Even better, make a bin subdirectory in your $HOME for user scripts (like the script that wake me every morning), and all system-wide scripts (like admin stuff, or useful scripts you might dream up) in /usr/local/bin. Just add your $HOME/bin to your path in .bash_profile or .bashrc Jack Actually, you can keep your local admin scripts in /usr/local/sbin and the local user scripts in /usr/local/bin. I also use the $HOME/bin directories for any personal scripts. Mike -- Michael Merten NRA Life Member (http://www.nra.org) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org) CenLA-LUG (http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug) -- Try to remove the color-problem by restarting your computer several times. -- Microsoft-Internet Explorer README.TXT
