Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?
Þann 23-May-98 skrifar Ed Cogburn: I have to agree here. Remember, this mailing list is being used by people new to Debian and probably Linux as well. A 'real' newsgroup would be better than a simulated one for those of us who can't/won't use something like emacs with gnus. The problem with news servers, and reading threads like this one there, is for the home user. If you have a 28.8 link, or 14.4 link, and start reading the news, you will be downloading a far greater amount than if you just subscribe via email. You'll never have the patience to wait for the whole news to finish, not to mention that many ISP news servers are simply buggy in the first place. This is why I don't read news, unless I'm at my Uni... then it is both simpler and faster to browse the news. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely diffe
Þann 16-May-98 skrifar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is looking for it from Me?!?! um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know where! I have it here, if you guys want it... I got it from the cnn site, somewhere in TECH... don't remember quite where. Maybe George Bonser remembers, George, you remember the pointer? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 pgprn1jlBtEd9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 12-Apr-98 skrifar Manoj Srivastava: anal jokes? hots? What kind of deranged reality is this coming from? Look whose talking... the King of Geek world, as the magazines so well describe it :-) You want to continue to be a geek, be my guest :-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 12-Apr-98 skrifar Manoj Srivastava: Frankly, most of us have sense enough not to tell people how their vbotes are wrong. It is one thing to campaign for a candidate, and urge and suggest where to cast ones vote, and it is quite another to say your votes are silly and must be cast in another fashin. Well, like it or not... your votes are silly. And that's probably why Linux people are so often described as geeks. If you don't like it, then you should try be non-geek like... but since you do like, accept being called a geek. :-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 12-Apr-98 skrifar Marcus Brinkmann: Yes, he is. I don't think that many of the voters take seriously what they're doing. :-) If the would, Bill Gates wouldn't get so many votes... You'd be surprised how many Bill Gates fans are out there. And then I mean _true_ fans. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 12-Apr-98 skrifar Manoj Srivastava: Frankly, most of us have sense enough not to tell people how their vbotes are wrong. It is one thing to campaign for a candidate, and urge and suggest where to cast ones vote, and it is quite another to say your votes are silly and must be cast in another fashin. What on earth do you think, that all the political campaigns are all about? And does the ideology of political party's escape the immense density of your brain... People all around you, are telling you whom to vote. Because voting is not about the person on the ballad, but the cause the person stands for, or DOESN'T stand for. And everywhere around you, people are trying to tell you how to vote. They're trying to *show* you the truth about the new world order, or the reason why a new world order is needed, to sublimically tell you *HOW* to vote. By trying to get you to belive that THEY are YOUR PEOPlE IN THE SENATE. And... more to the point, when people are in the opposition, not to mention when they are spread around in small oposition groups. They often get together to compare notes, and *ask* their political members *not* to vote in a certain way... or to vote in another way, for the purpose of their political gain, or others loss. Depending on their winning or losing position. All over the world, people are _being_told_ how to vote. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 11-Apr-98 skrifar Marcus Brinkmann: [snip] I consider such voting as meaningless, unimportant and irrational. If it can serve to push Linux forward, it has at least one good effect. You say that you don't take this seriously, but non the less you expect to gain something by your scheme... that sounds serious enough to me. We have to take some responsibility for the world we live in. It may not be to our liking, but we live in it... The people in this world have about as much intelligence, generally, as a rat. They take drugs, walk around thinking they have an IQ of 180, laughing at a cat walking on the side walk... because they hallucinate and think the cat is pink. Downstairs I have a pair that live their days in drug-dreams, and wake up twice a day to moan and groan and bang the walls in... even the kids in the neighbourhood are starting to immitate the groans. I've been so *fortunate* to have my person publicly humiliated, and have to live my existance bypassing some moron, who just *has* to make some anal jokes about it. *That* is the general main stream intellect... So, this may seem irrational to you... but do you think, even for a single second, that someone who hallucinates about the cat... lives in acid dreams, bangs the walls in with the kids watching, or people who even publicly show a character of less value... do you think for a second, that they have even the slightest ability to take this rationally? Everything and every vote you make has a side effect. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 12-Apr-98 skrifar Britton: I am not ashamed to admit that I think Linus and the system and philosophy he has come to represent are extremely important. Linux is more than a great OS, it's the largest and most advanced technological achievment of a group of volunteers in all of history. Ford was almost a Nazi, and McArthur, though useful, was hardly an original article. Personally I think the world would be a much better place if an advanced math or science degree was a prerequisite for public service. Repeal the nativity claus! Linus for president! Yeah, I'd really love to see my old math teacher as some serious public candidate. Geez... now there was a luny toon if there ever was one. :-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Linus Torvalds, the man of the century
Þann 10-Apr-98 skrifar Marcus Brinkmann: Total Percent richard rogers 636494 7.42 henry ford 555916 6.48 douglas macarthur 474770 5.53 bill gates 468605 5.46 --- We can beat this poor rating! howard hughes 351237 4.09 vehbi koc 350473 4.08 steve jobs 336439 3.92 murat arslan 205791 2.40 Voting for Linus Tolrvalds is not a good idea. The man is not a Titan, in any sense of the word... even less than Bill Gates. Making such silly votes, is sure to disrubt the balance and help put Bill Gates up on the list, or is *that* your intent? to make your favourite maggot Bill Gates the Titan of the century? Do you have the hots for the man? People like Henry Ford, and Douglas McArthur are far greater Titans, who are among those candidates people *should* spend their votes on. Not on anal jokes, just because they have the hots for'em. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is mul
Þann 11-Apr-98 skrifar Tristan Day: 1. Win95 is designed to make the program that you have 'active' (the top program you are using at the time) work fastest and gives it max power while the background tasks (the ones you've got open but aren't using at the moment) have a very small amount of CPU usage and are minimised in memory. This can be a complete pain if you're using lots of programs on a server or many important, power-demanding programs at once, and is really crummy for CAD/CAM and other such programs. 2. Linux seems to think it's running on several terminals, because you can run lots of different consoles at the same time, as if you were only using one (eg when you press Control-Alt-F2, F3, etc). Win95 doesn't do this. Well, not quite. The program you *are* running actively will always be on *top* in memory, and will have the most CPU usage, as well. That is irrelevant of the type of OS you have. So, in this concern Win95 comforms adequately. It's the job *shifting* that's different, and the memory management. Windows, whatever version... is optimized toward the GUI, so the job shifting between processes will be the GUI application (Top most) and then other applications, that will have a far lower priority than any GUI process available. This is extremely crummy (as you describe), if you are using some 'daemon' type software under Windows 95... it will be cut down into 20% because of it. And the memory management... well, I don't think anyone needs a lesson in how *poor* Windows software are where Virtual memory is concerned. The way our good friend Bill Gates, obviously thought it, is that if you're in a position where swapping is needed, you need more memory 'REAL' memory. So, Virtual Memory is just bogus in his mind... and just there to remind the user, that he needs to go out and BUY more memory for his machine, or a much faster machine (To make up for the poor virtual memory design), or both... which is the situation most users end up in. Well, relatively, the guys attitude towards Virtual memory isn't that much un-undestandable. The PC doesn't have bus architechture that will allow the machine to access any really fast external storage simultaneously with other IO access. So, virtual memory will always be relatively slow, and boil down to the fact that if you need such performance, you should get the equipment suitable for it :-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't get my mouse to work
Þann 09-Apr-98 skrifar Matt Kennedy: PS/2 Mouse to Mouse Systems and change the location of the device to /dev/gpmdata. /dev/gpmdata is a file GPM creates and stores the input from the mouse to. This did the trick for me, so I hope it'll work for you. I recently got myself a Logitech Mouse Man mouse, which is also a PS/2 mouse. When I set it up, I discovered that even though it is MouseMan, it can't run with the mouseman protocol, even if you set the device right. It can only run as a PS/2 type mouse. I'd look at the XF86Config file, and edit the section for the pointer... make sure all other items were removed, except for Device and Protocol. Then set the device to /dev/psaux, and then fiddle with the Protocol, between the options Microsoft bus mouse, logitech busmouse (mouseman) a plain ps/2, etc. There are a few of these protocols, and it's probably what is the bother. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone got BTTV to work?
Þann 05-Apr-98 skrifar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! Works fine here with 2.0.32, X 3.3.2 , Matrox MilleniumII. I had some problems with X 3.3.1 (screen locked). ATI Mach 64 was also OK, S3 Trio64 was not. I guess you have a problem with your X-Server or Card. Greetings, Ramin I was reading a disturbing document on the web the other day, about the WinTV cards. That some of them have problems with the PCI chipsets on some motherboards? and that there are situations where it just *won't* work? Any thoughts on this? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone got BTTV to work?
Hey, I've been trying to get bttv to work on my Linux box, without any success. Whenever I start it, I get some snow and after a few seconds my computer locks. Furthermore, the lines that *are* displayed are only the first few lines, and it appears that the program is receiving SCERR (from the booktree chip), or some synchronisation problems that it can't handle? I've even installed kernel 2.1.92 with video4linux in the kernel, but with the same results. It always gets this error and hangs. Since I'm no expert in video code, and I know others have experienced problems in this area, I was wondering if anyone could share their experience? Is this related to the method being used, by the capture program (i.e. scanning directly into the video memory at the windows location, instead of into user memory and then have X do it) ?. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: the install that never was
Þann 28-Mar-98 skrifar Wolf Logan: Any other options? Any possible leads on why this is going on? I don't mean to sound ungrateful (I understand this software is free), but it strikes me as a little unfriendly for the installation floppy to be completely unable to boot. I've scanned the archives, and while I'm not the first person to have trouble like this during an install, I didn't find any solutions. I haven't followed up on this thread, but could you tell me what system you are using? the details? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.04.... [Read this Please!]
Þann 18-Jan-98 skrifar Timothy M. Hospedales: My MOZILLA_HOME as well as all the other directories NSN must find as described in the README are already set. :(.However, everyone who has replied indicating success seems to be running full hamm. Mine is half bo, half hamm. I suspect that the problem is rooted in the half bo, half hamm thing. Does anyone run applets successfully in NSN4 under a dual libc5 libc6 system?Thanks, Timothy. Even if you have a full hamm system, you need to have both libc5 libc6 installed, as the netscape binary is compiled against libc5. So, I would answer yes to your question. The reason I pointed out the MOZILLA_HOME stuff, is that before I set this variable, Netscape complained about not finding java.jar, when running applets and friends. The reason is, that when it searches under the builtin default directory of /usr/lib/netscape, it searches under the wrong subdirectory. Whereas it will search under the correct subdirectory relative to MOZILLA_HOME. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 4.04.... [Read this Please!]
Þann 18-Jan-98 skrifar Ben Pfaff: I have been following various messages about Netscape 4.04, and it seems to me that lots of people's NSN4 don't do Java properly, AND, (Please correct me if i'm wrong), I haven't seen any successfull reponses to mine or anyone else's messages about fixing this problem. So! Will anyone who's NSN4 will do Java applets properly please respond to this, then maybe we can figure out what those of us whose Java does not work have missed. Mine works fine. I'm running full hamm, how about you? Works fine here too, full hamm. For those who are having trouble, you need to set the environment variable MOZILLA_HOME to the path where netscape is located. On my machine, it is located in... MOZILLA_HOME=/usr/lib/netscape Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Trying to fix a mistake in upgrading Netscape...
Þann 16-Jan-98 skrifar Richard E. Hawkins Esq.: err, I wasn't clear. The only netscape 3 that can be installed is 3.01. I haven't even considered 4, after watching it bring a 400mhz, 350meg alpha to its knees . . . I'm using Communicator professional here, 4.03, on a 486DX/2 66 with 20Meg of ram. I even have a libc6 system, with libc5 as alternative runtime environment, and still the Communicator runs ok. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: printing
Þann 15-Jan-98 skrifar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Question for the C crowd: I have a program which I wish to print an ordered text file. In the Linux Programmers Guide, the printer chapter shows how to directly talk to the printer port. I'd like to be able to send the text to the appropriate printer filter (and spooler). How would one go about doing that? Put the ordered file into a temporary one, and execl 'lpr' on that file, removing it when 'lpr' is done... or open a pipe to 'lpr'. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Announce: Simple End-User Linux (SEUL) Project
Þann 13-Jan-98 skrifar Matthew Majka: Please take Debian and improve the installation utilities (I'm a big fan of SGI's 'swmgr'. Anyone want to write a clone for dpkg?). I'm a big fan of SGI :-) and it is a good idea to provide a GUI software manager, preferrably written in C/C++. There are many tools around to assist in this, the only stepping stone (IMO) would be the style of the 'available/status' files. They'd need to be converted to table form on the fly for database usage. Maybe move the documentation into a web-based format (HTML) to make the current information easier to navigate. Maybe web-based admin tools? There have been a few people mentioning their interrest in writing GUI admin tools, what about them? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-win more effiecient than Win95?
Þann 14-Jan-98 skrifar George Bonser: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Rick Jones wrote: This is somewhat incorrect, George. Yes. X uses a protocol called XDMCP to allow xfer's of information, as you have explained, between local and remote machines. And X uses sockets and protocols when used locally. But it is no different than Windows. They are both Graphical User Interfaces (GUI's). Without widget sets and a window manager, Simply running an X server on your machine is rather useless. I agree with you on this. The concept of comparing X with Windows is bogus. You could compare Windows with CDE, KDE, but not with X. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM,KDM on DEBIAN 1.31
Þann 14-Jan-98 skrifar Herr Detlev Scholz \(ODIS\): Dear users, i m a novice user of debian-Linux. The installation was easy, and everythink works well :-). Now i installed the KDE-desktop on the box. The KDE is working well, when i start with startx. When i try to aktivate XDM or KDM, the Xserver starts, asks for login but after login it seems that the Xserver crashes and XDM is started again asking for username. In the KDE-user-list the problem is reportet few times with RedHat-Dist., but without a solution. Has debian the same problem or is it my problem because of misconfiguration? After the login on XDM/KDM it starts a window manager, and it is this window manager that is probably crashing and causing the display manager to reappear. Try and edit the first line in /etc/X11/window-managers it is this line that selects the window manager to run. Try selecting a different one. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-win more effiecient than Win95?
Þann 14-Jan-98 skrifar Rick Jones: Not true. 1) X MUST be operating to benchmark CDE, KDE, or Afterstep etc. 2) To acurately benchmark the performance of software 'whatever' you have to include the processes that are handled by X. So you would have to benchmark the combnation X + window-manager against Windows. Besides that, Windows is more than just a wrapper that beautifys the border of the window and adds a menu. It acts as an interface with the video adapter, keyboard, and mouse, as the Xserver does. No, Windows is not an interface... and it's a lot more than just a GUI, it's an operating system as well (as of Win95, WinNT). And that's right, you need to compare X+Window manager, not just X which was the issue. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP 2.3.2 and demand dialing
Þann Wed, 07 Jan 1998, skrifaði Jim Foltz:Hello, I am seeking assistance in configuring PPP 2.3.2 for demand dialing. My setup works up until I add the demand option and the remote ip to the options file. PPP will even initiate the link and will dial only when there is data to be transmitted, which is the correct behaviour. PPP then connects and the pc is issued a dynamic IP by my provider. At this point no internet programs return any data. According to the documentation with PPP 2.3.2, it does not support demand dialing for dynamic IP addresses. Youll still need to use diald for that. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
KDE rough edges
Hi, I just tried out an extremely good looking desktop environment, the KDE, but I've noticed some few rough parts, and would like to know if these were common problems. Whenever I start KFM the file manager, it seems to insist on having an attached terminal. When I start up the panel, and try and change the desktop settings I get an X error (bad request, trying to access private resources). And the window in question dies, the same thing happens when I try to start KFM from the panel menu, I get an echo in a window (KFM CRASH). Since these issues weren't mentioned in the BUG list with KDE, I was wondering if others running KDE have the same problems? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fetchmail fails with smtp error
fetchmail: 29 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED] reading message 1 (4310 bytes) ..fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from post.metrolink.net Upgrade the netbase and netstd packages. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [fuzzy@ns.asarian.org: was wondering if you could help us]
we so far have gotten xdm/xwindows running, but the type size is too small to be readable. I think its defaulting to 1024x768 how do I have it resize to 800x600, without losing the ability to switch to the I suggest keeping the 1024x768 screen size, and only changing fontsizes for those programs that appear small. The reason is, that most X programs are built to reside on 19 screens and 1280x1024 resolution, and will have their windows far outside the 800x600 resolution. Which will make them difficult to manage. smaller size. what we see after logging in on the xdm login screen is a title bar in the upper left corner and what looks like a tic-tac-toe board in the center of the screen. clicking on the title bar produces a xterm in center of the screen but its small and not scaleable. I'm All xterm's are normally 80x25 in size, which is a normal size for a console display. If you have difficulty seeing the text, then point the mouse inside the xterm window, then press and hold the CTRL key and right mouse button at the same time until a popup menu appears. You can then release the CTRL key, but hold the mouse button down and move the mouse over the popup menu and select a different font for the xterm. This way you can select a different font for your xterm, in the range (tiny,small,medium,large,huge). we'd like to try other window managers... what is available and (what directories if on the 'offical' CDs or non-free) where if not. They reside in the binary/X11 directory I'd think. There are, fvwm2- a very nice window manager. afterstep- a NextStep clone... the original was better. fvwm95 - a Win95 look-a-like... the original is better. twm - the standard X window manager, simple 2D manager. olwm - Open Look, the pre-Solaris window manager from Sun. this is Version 3.2... unfortunately the Open Look desktop environment didn't become really usable until version 3.3. mwm - Motif Window Manager clone provided by lesstif... again, the original is better. Many people use Linux, merely for net-support... and then use their Windoze machines as desktops, but if you intend to use Linux as a Workstation, I suggest getting CDE, and motif 2.0. These are commercial programs, and provide a good desktop environment, *similar* to what you can find on SGI and Solaris. we'd like to set up netscape... we saw there is an installer package, presumably the actual tarball comes from ftp.netscape.com? what do I need along with that? during the installation of the basic system I told the the install script to load the module for java binaries. what other packages do I need besides the installer package for netscape and the actual netscape tarball? You don't need support for java binaries, to use netscape. Netscape comes with a restricted Java interpreter, and uses that. You only need support for java binaries, if you intend to compile and run java programs on your system outside netscape. Some will tell you it is a nice feature, and probably is if you are a java developer. I read somewhere that Sun was going to produce a Java chip, something like the old BASIC CPU's, which will run java code. Don't know if they have, nor if it is only available for Sun machines, but who knows... maybe the name change Solaris-Slowaris is a java,tcl/tk,perl feature? :-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: libc6-dev depends on kernel-headers-2.0.32-2
Þann 02-Jan-98 skrifar Tim Bell: Okay, I read the libc6 mini-HOWTO (thanks Scott), and it's worked until I got to installing libc6-dev 2.0.6-2, which depends on kernel-headers (or kernel-source) 2.0.32-2 or greater, which I can't seem to find anywhere. (ftp.debian.org only has 2.0.32-1, dated Dec 9.) Any ideas here? (I was tempted to do a --force, but I remembered Scott's advice to NEVER do a --force when upgrading to libc6, so I'm stuck.) Yeah, well... you can install kernel-headers 2.0.32-1, which is available, and which installs cleanly, and then do the force. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Best Dual PPro Motherboard?
Þann 02-Jan-98 skrifar Ian Keith Setford: Yo- I am in the market for a dual PPro board and I am looking for suggestions! I would prefer a board with on board UW SCSI and SDRAM but I'm not sure if the Natoma (440FX) chipset supports SDRAM. If you're looking for processing power, place SDRAM at a higher precedance than a Pentium II or PPro. With normal 60ns RAM, your memory bus rate will be at 16.67MHz, while 10ns SDRAM will allow upto 100MHz access rate... huge difference. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DOOM - broken pipe
Has anyone gotten DOOM to work? Here, the program starts, but when I try to move the cursor, or press any ke, after the Menu comes up the program stops with the message 'broken pipe'. Any ideas? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DOOM - broken pipe
Þann 01-Jan-98 skrifar Joey Hess: What version of doom are you using? Do you have doom-musserver installed, and if so, what version? Do you have a sound card? The problem was, that I am using NAS to network'ize my soundcard, and that meant doom couldn't acquire the card. Whenever I move the cursor in the menu, there is a sound, which is why it broke. There is a sndserver for NAS, and I compiled it. It seems to work ok, but it would be better if it was possible to set a variable to point to it, so you don't have to overwrite the original sndserver, which provides far better sound. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DOOM - broken pipe
Þann 01-Jan-98 skrifar Joey Hess: You can edit your ~/.doomrc, and there is a line in there that lets you configure the path to the sndserver. yeah, I took a peak at the source and found the M_LoadDefaults routine, and some of the keywords. The 'key_fire' is especially interresting, since I'm using fvwm2 the CTRL key kinda bumps me into the next desk on occasion :-) It's interesting that it crashed when it couldn't start sound. I've succesfully run doom on a computer with no sound card, and it didn't crash. That's probably because it has a soundcard, one that is locked by NAS, but it runs ok without a sound, if the soundriver is missing. It would be neat to have a '-nosound' option, as I discovered that it is faster without sound. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Rocks'n'Daimonds
This game just made it resently into Debian, and I tried it... but so far I haven't gotten past the level, has anyone else? There is one daimond at lower left corner, trapped behind three rocks, and obviously your supposed to snap it quickly before the top rocks falls on you. However, I'd really like to know if anyone has been able to do that... as it doesn't seem to be responsive enough on my computer? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xfree86 question
Hi! I am a new Linux user converted from Windows NT. :). I have a 17 inch monitor, but my XFree86 insists on displaying in an approximately 15 inch rectangle of my screen. How do I configure it to fill the whole screen? You do that with your monitor... it has functions on it, to make it wider, and taller. Also! Is there an equivalent of Microsoft's file manager for X windows? Equivalent? No, and god forbid... There are several file managers... one really good, which I think just made it into Debian, is Xplore. But, to acquire such managers that work completely you need to purchase motif, and/or CDE. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: a single command
Is there a command to delete all files and subdirectories within a directory. For example, I have the directory apps in my home directory. Lets says apps has 7 files and 2 directories. With one command, how can I delete the apps directory and all its contents. I looked at the man page but didn't see anything helpful. Thanks. rm -fr /home/apps ...or to remove anything inside /home/apps but leave /home/apps standing rm -fr /home/apps/* Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: windows
The FILETIME structure is a 64-bit value representing the number of 100-nanosecond intervals since January 1, 1601. It's important, to be able to keep time in nanoseconds on a computer... and as we all know, 1601 is an important date ;-) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ppp 2.3.2 and diald
Hi, I just tried ppp-2.3.2 and its demand dialing, only to figure out that it can't be used with an ISP that uses dynamic IP address for itself and my machine... bummer. Now, I have ppp-2.3.2 and diald doesn't work with it, has anyone been able to get diald to work with it, and then what options are needed to make it work? Merry Christmas everyone, -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ppp 2.3.2 and diald
Hi, I just tried ppp-2.3.2 and its demand dialing, only to figure out that it can't be used with an ISP that uses dynamic IP address for itself and my machine... bummer. Now, I have ppp-2.3.2 and diald doesn't work with it, has anyone been able to get diald to work with it, and then what options are needed to make it work? To answer my own mail, I just discovered that the reason for the problem was the netbase package. I needed to upgrade netbase from 3.00 to 3.01, and then everything went smooth. Perhaps ppp 2.3.2 should be made to depend or suggest netbase 3.01? Merry christmas! Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Changing the domain
Peter Prohaska writes: I have no /etc/domain file on my system... could you please search for the package which installed the file? Or did you create it by hand? There is a file /etc/resolv.conf, and it has a domain and search part, it should contain your domain name, i.e. the tld to which your hostname belongs. Then there is a /etc/hosts file, in it you put your hostname, along with the name localhost and your FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name)... For what do you need to set your domain name, beyond just for convenience? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Changing the domain
George Bonser writes: I assumed that file was created during the install process when it asked the hostname and domain. Probably created for convenience, in line with the /etc/hostname. The /etc/hostname file has no purpose but to store the hostname to be then read by the 'hostname' program, that set's the hostname at startup. The debian version of it, has a special parameter '-f' that read's the hostname from a file. Maybe a /etc/domain is there for NIS/YP? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
looking for a script to display current location in filesystem
cs51wcs writes: Hi, I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the filesystem like in dos, but am having a hard time. Any assistance is appreciated. If you use the tcsh as your shell... [1:42] Ørn:~ set addsuffix argv() cwd /home/oehansen dirstack/home/oehansen echo_style both edit gid 50 group staff history 100 home/home/oehansen owd path(/bin /usr/bin /usr/bin/X11 /usr/local/bin /home/oehansen/bin .) prompt %B[%U%T%u]%b Ørn:%~ %# prompt2 %R? prompt3 CORRECT%R (y|n|e|a)? shell /usr/bin/tcsh shlvl 2 status 0 tcsh6.07.02 termxterm tty ttyp2 uid 1000 useroehansen version tcsh 6.07.02 (Astron) 1996-10-27 (i386-intel-linux) options 8b,nls,bye,al,ng,nd [1:42] Ørn:~ cd bin [1:44] Ørn:~/bin set prompt = Me:%~ %# Me:~/bin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Pager utility or script?
Kevin J Poorman writes: Hi, I am looking for a way to allow my computer to dial a pager and send the number ... I was wondering if anyone had a way to do this via a shell script or maybe there is a pager program ?... Debian Package? Sam Leffler's program HylaFAX(tm) is supposed to be able to do this... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Core with pthread, libc6, and g++ in child processes..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any help or suggestions would be appreciated because otherwise I'm stuck and can't continue on with my software development. The version of g++ that is available at debian isn't thread safe. It *is* possible to have it work with threads, but as soon as you include something like strings, and especially gnu extensions String and List, it will break with a core dump. The answer is, go to http://www.cygnus.com/egcs and get egcs, which provides a thread safe c++ environment. Get the newly released egcs-1.0 or snapshot egcs-971201, and you're set. You'll need the 'core' and 'g++', which are about 9Meg, and takes around 4-6hrs to compile. hope that helps. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SVGA (X) server stopped working properly.
Liran Zvibel writes: Hello! I accidently ran (the command) X (not startx) and the server showed up with no window-manager or anything else (just the dotted gray/white/black background and the x shaped cursor) I didn't know how to shut it down so I rebooted (since CTRL-ALT-DEL didn't do the job I pressed reset), everything works fine BUT X windows. To KILL X Windows, press CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE. The resolution is now 640x400, even though I ran XF86Setup and changed the screen to 1024x768 non-interlaced, then edited /etc/X11/XF86Config manually and added (even though I used XF86Setup it wasn't there) support for 1024x768 and 800x600. When I shut it down, I was that the server marked (with (**) instead of (--)) resolutions up to 640X400, and wrote that it didn't use 800x600 since it is 50 MHz and my clock limit is 40 MHz, it also wrote that it dropped 1024x768 from the list (didn't say why - I configured it to 80 MHz) My monitor AND graphic card can do much better then 40 MHz. Should I reinsatall xbase and SVGA-Server? Can I do something else about it? I'm using Trident 8900CL and no-name (non-interlace) monitor that can do 30-50 and 30-90 for 1024x768 and 800x600. Even if you re-install xbase, you'll probably end up hand-editing the config file anyway (I know, I usually have to :-) Just edit the monitor section in the XF86Config file, and tell it that your monitor can use 30-50 Hz horizontal, and 30-90 Hz vertical. (i.e. HorizontalSync = 30-50, and VertRefresh = 30-90). Then look at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc, for the Devices and Monitors file. There you will find Modelines for you monitor and card, and tune your Device section to your hearts desire. Then, ensure that the chipset is correct for your Generic SVGA device, and that SVGA is the X server used in /etc/X11/Xserver (i.e. the first line reads /usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
56k voice modem for Debian
Randy Edwards writes: I've got to get a new modem for a Debian machine. My requirements are that it be one of the Rockwell 56k standard ones, of course, that it do fax, and I'd like it to be able to handle voice. What I'd really love is to set up a voice mailbox system on my Debian box. So I was wondering, is there any such software for Debian to allow me to use a voice modem and set up such a mailbox system? Also, does anyone have any recommendations of particular modems which would meet my specs above? I'd appreciate any input; thanks in advance. There are a few of them... But if you want a good voice mail quality, I'd suggest making your own. With most packages you need to get acquainted with it, and that takes a few days, maybe a week. About the amount of time, it takes to make a voice package. But, you could take a look at mgetty, which does provide a vgetty program. In my case, I installed hylafax on my machine, which provides a very intensive fax functions (even paging). I also had a modem with a cirrus sound chip, that doesn't have any software support on Linux, so I programmed an 'egetty' (external getty) for hylafax, that grabs the call if it's a voice but passes it onto hylafax, if it's fax or data. The modem itself has all functions for voice mail, it's only a question of communicating with it in the right order, and then put the recording in a maildrop. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
GPC
Richard Davies writes: This is a request for some feedback from current and potential users of GPC. I have GPC 2.0 compiled for hamm, built using GCC 2.7.2.3. The next version of GPC (currently 971001) is in beta, but is already more stable than GPC 2.0. There seems to be a few possibilities available. I could package GPC 2.0, GPC 971001 beta, both versions, or wait until GPC 971001 beta is released as GPC 2.1. Let me know your preferences, if any, within the next few of days and I will then decide which course of action to take. I'd say package 2.1 beta, into unstable and 2.0 as stable. Then update the beta package when GPC get's released. I have a few pascal programs, that would be nice to compile on Linux and I'd want to use 2.1 as it is more complete than 2.0. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sound.o module / Dependancies
Jens B. Jorgensen writes: Brian Skreeg wrote: Hi there peoplewithsound, ok, here we go... [snip] install. no dependancy information error. Add the following steps to the above: make modules make modules_install Doesn't help much... The only way I've ever got the sound modules to work, is to explicidly go into the drivers/sound directory and to do 'configure' there, for the sound. And then, disabling all other sound cards except the one I have (no need for the others). After that step, go back into building the kernel... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Q's about upgrading to hamm
Christopher Jason Morrone writes: Ok, I'd like to upgrade to hamm, because there are some things there that I need. I'm following the libc5 to libc6 howto, but I've got a couple questions/comments. The first conflict arose when I tried to install the second package, libc6_2.0.5c-0.1 . It conflicted with the pthreads package. No biggy, I just got rid of the threads. First, upgrade your already installed packages to their equivalent hamm version. So, start by upgrading ldso, and dpkg. Then upgrade libc5, and remove all *-dev packages (and dependant packages). Now, you can install libc6, and then upgrade 'base' and 'admin' packages, and be aware to install the 'g' packages, i.e. ncurses3.4g etc. And if you have X installed, you may need to remove them before you can upgrade to xlib6g. Anyways, you will have to reinstall all of them, because X packages for xlib6 won't work with xlib6g. I run all hamm, and it works _quite_ well here... a few bugs, and a few bad packages once in a while though. But it looks like it's getting more stable. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Running defrag in single user mode...
Oliver Elphick writes: In 10 years of using Unix and Linux I have never had to defragment a disk. This isn't a Micro$oft product... Can anyone suggest why one might want to defragment a disk in Linux? On a related issue... Doesn't Unix load data on demand? i.e. when you run a program, doesn't it just load the first page, and then each page as it is referenced? and a similar technique for data? And besides, since this is a multiuser multitasking system that is running several programs at the same time, and perhaps even swapping. The disk is spinning and the head is going back and forth more or less all the time, and it is highly unlikely that the entire data is loaded before the head is moved again. if my memory doesn't fail :-), doesn't Unix also use a hard disk reading technique that is far superior to M$ which enables it to read the wanted data between two endpoints in a single run? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HTTP background tool
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew of a tool, that will basically connect to a site through port 80, using HTTP and download a document in the background? Some sites are very slow, and they only provide HTTP access to the information they provide... while it would be nice to be able to download some links with a command line tool. Any links or hints are appreciated. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HTTP background tool
Dale Martin writes: I use snarf. It can do command line grabs from http, finger, ftp, and gopher. Seems to work reasonably well, and it's super simple to use. I'm not sure if it's still available or not - I don't see it in my mirror. Let me know if it's not - I'll package it. I looked and it isn't there... Such tools can come in handy, as an example I just downloaded some excel tables from a http site, where I took the actual index for some company shares. Then transfer it into the accounting server I am writing, and used the accounting client to display a line chart of the index of the company I was interested in. No need to keep your fingers on a Dynosaur like web browser to hop from one site to the next over slow links to get that info. Just have it automatically transferred to your machine, then have a script pin out the information you're interested in and put it into your books... That's Unix :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HTTP background tool
Eloy A. Paris writes: Do not reinvent the wheel. The Wget package will do what you want, and more. Tried it, it works great. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
threads and latest libg++?
Dale Martin writes: Are the latest libg++ and threads happy together? I have libg++272 version 2.7.2.8-0.1 installed, and I'm running mostly libc6 stuff. Here's my program, reduced to illustrate the problem precisely. If you have to remove all the classes in c++ to get threads working, there isn't much sense in using c++ :-) I've had the same problem, and as far as I've been able to collect, g++ simply isn't, and won't be thread safe. If you wish for a thread safe environment, get stdc++ 2.8.0 or the 'egcs' compiler. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
teTeX packages
Ben Pfaff writes: I can't seem to get Debian's teTeX to work at all (can't find default format file from tex). But when I downloaded it direct from sunsite, it worked fine. Has anyone had a similar experience? I suppose I could include more (or any, actually) details if requested. I had precisely the same problem. What I did was do a dpkg --extract tetex-base Then, I entered the directory /etc/texmf, and renamed all the files there from '*.dpkg-new' removing the '.dpkg-new' part. Then, I configured the package and installed rest of tetex. Tetex-base seems to remove these files under configuration, instead of installing them. Which causes the rest of tetex to break. Hope tht helps. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: allow mount to normal use
Bill Leach writes: The simplest and most direct solution is to add users to the list of options for each filesystem that you want your users to be able to mount (in /etc/fstab). So, your cdrom entry might look something like: /dev/hdd/cdrom iso9660 noauto,users 00 Just a hint... it is often convenient to make a link from /dev/cdrom to whatever device your CD-ROM is on. Thus, if you add devices, or change your configuration, you only have to change one link, instead of every program that uses the CD-ROM ;-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problem with keyboard
Witold Grabysz writes: Dear Friends, it happened to me to use Polish as my native language. In general we use Latin alphabet plus some unique letters (the same do the German and French). It seemed to me during configuration I set my keyboard to support Polish signs: Xkbkeycodes xfree86 XkbTypesdefault XkbCompat default XkbSymbols en_US(pc101)+pl however it doesn't work. For example appart from 'a' we have a letter called (even in English documentation) 'a ogonek' (a with a small tail). It should be evoked by pressing 'a' together with right Alt. I ran xkeycaps and saw, that a+right Alt is bound to 'a ogonek', but when I press it (in terminal window or now in Netscape mail editor) there is no reaction. Just nothing! Well, there is a keysym named dead_ogonek, basically it is the escape key to get to a ogonek. By pressing dead_ogonek + a. However, I just got 'a' by pressing that key pair. Are you sure the ogonek belongs to Latin1? And what characters are you looking for? áéíóúý - dead_acute àèìòù - dead_grave âêîôû - dead_tilde äëïöüÿ - dead_diaeresis å - dead_abovering If it's any of the above, you can get them through the dead key that is listed beside the table. Just put one of the keys on your keyboard to it, like: xmodmap -e keycode 76 = dead_acute Will give you the result F10 + a = á (keycode 76 is F10 on my keyboard, just be careful of not removing any of your standard keys :-). There is also another method, to get to these characters. Through the so-called compose key. On my keyboard this key is the 'Windows' key on the right side of the keyboard, through it COMPOSE d - = ð, as an example. Hope that helps, -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Making Debian bootable from hard disk
Steve Kostecke writes: Here is my /etc/lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hdc1 /dev/hda1 = first partition on master disk on 1st IDE controller /dev/hdc1 = first partition on master disk on 2nd IDE controller If both of your disks are running off the 1st IDE controller and linux is on the slave (2nd) disk then your root would be /dev/hdb1. If linux is on the master disk then your root is /dev/hda1. Change the root= line in your lilo.conf to what ever is appropriate and run lilo to complete the installation. I want to thank those who answered and gave me tips concerning this, as it has helped me solve the problem. I had three harddisks, and one CD-ROM... then I added one harddisk, and removed one of the olders to fit it in. The new hard disk was thus the third in the line /dev/hdc1. Originally, I had my root partition on hda1, then I moved over to hdb2 :-) and finally over to hdc1. LILO was able to boot on other partitions, out of the original configuration. However, after recalibrating the drive, it no longer was able to. Since, I just took out /dev/hda1 and put the disk on /dev/hdc onto the first controller, as the first harddisk. And made the entries in /etc/fstab point to the new destination of the disk. Now LILO is able to boot from that disk, without any difficulties. The message I wrote on here about what LILO said: lilo: disk device 0x82 may not be accessible This is not the disk type, as I thought. But the disk drive number, which means that hda is 0x80, hdb is 0x81 and hdc is 0x82. Lilo was thus unable to boot hdc1, even though it had been able to before. I can't quite see why not, at the moment. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Q: SVGA X Server Fails w/16bpp
Dean C. Sullinger writes: I just installed debian on my home PC. I mirrored almost everything from debian on my Laptop. I couldn't mirror the X Server Config because of diff graphic cards. The SVGA X Server works for 8bpp, but fails for 16bpp. My cirrus logic card will support 16bpp colors. Here's the scoop. The PC is a Compaq 486/50 with 32MB RAM, Cirrus Logic GD-CL5428 w/1MB DRAM. I used XF86Config and selected all the standard inputs. I think the card uses a intergrated RAMDAK, so I selected a normal RAMDAK. I selected the following options: linear, fast_dram and no_bitblt. I tried setting the MemBase as recommended in the cirrus docs, but it caused my PC to lockup and I couldn't reboot it. I had to turn it off and it hosed the file system. I have to run fsck everytime and I've gotten scared to continue trying to get it to work. I have the same GD-CL5428 graphics card. In the directory tree /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc there is a README file for cirrus cards. It tells you to look at the card, and see if pins 25-27 are blank on upper side of the card. If these pins are blank (which they are on my card), you can't use 'linear' mode. The point is, the card only knows about 16MByte adressing space, so you are unable to tell the card to map the graphics ram outside the computers memory. So, the card will map it's memory inside the 16MByte range, which conflicts with the other memory... bummer. To be able to use 16bpp, you must therefore use maximum 800x600 resolution and disable linear mode... here is a copy of the Device for the cirrus card in my XF86Config file Section Device Identifier Cirrus Alpaline VendorName Cirrus Logic BoardName VLB CL-5428 Chipset clgd5428 VideoRam1024 #MemBase0x0200 Clocks 25.23 28.32 41.16 36.08 31.50 39.99 45.08 49.87 Clocks 64.98 72.16 75.00 80.01 85.23 EndSection Hope that helps... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Linux, a MicroSoft product? (fwd)
Pancho Horrillo writes: AAP Worldwide Wire Service11/21/97 06:00 GMT (Hirchsrgig, MS)-The computer world has been shaken to its core by a legal decision that has immense implications worldwide. In a ruling that is certain to become a hotbed of controversy, a US Federal Judge in Hirchsrgig Mississippi ruled that Microsoft legally holds all rights to the Linux operating system. Judge Richard Shortner, in an opinion handed down today, ruled that the Linux operating system is not free software, and that the GNU Public License is not legally binding, thus giving final legal approval to the US Patent Office's conditional approval of Microsoft's patent application. Now, *this* would be a really neat trick... Linux, which is an operating system, that strives to be compatible with Unix, and is derived from Minix, is now 'Patentable' by Micro$oft as an operating system. Well, look out Kernigan Richie, next week we'll hear that you really didn't make the C language, M$ did :-) and AT/T, be very carefult, next month M$ is going to sue you for making an imitation of their operating system, selling it for billions without paying them honorary. Now, _that_ Bill Gates is a magician :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Diald
diald.telia Description: My diald.options file Chuma Agbodike writes: Can someone please send me a working copy of their diald-options file. So I can find out what is wrong with my setup or non-setup ? I think that's where the problem lies because when I disable diald and use pon everything works. This linux has fought me every inch of the way. But I really want to rely on it. Here is my 'diald.options' files... are you sure your 'ppp' options file is correct? Try connecting to your ISP by typing 'pppd' along with the options involved... pppd /dev/ttyS? 57600 connect chat -f /etc/ppp/chatscript lock modem crtscts defaultroute
Re: fdisk is it available anywhere else?
Udjat the BitMeister... writes: On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, butch wrote: try cfdisk, I believe its also available on the debian disks. There appears to be a problem with cfdisk... when it writes the partition information, it isn't 'sufficiently' done. Like, if I set a partition information with cfdisk to be a DOS partition, when it was previously set to a different type. I need to use fdisk to delete the partition and reinstall it. The information written by cfdisk is unusable by DOS. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Switching keyboards under X
Louis-David Mitterrand writes: Oh, I don't type the lines litteraly, they are bound to F2 and F3 respectively in my shell. It is xmodmap itself that I find slow (2 full seconds ;-) You mean you are looking for an MS-DOS function like, where you can press CTRL-F1 to switch between keyboard tables (C vs. locale). The difference between the two, are that on a PC this is coded into keyboard code, which already has both tables loaded. While on Unix, you'll have to explicidly load the table into X. But, it wouldn't be a bad idea though... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Making Debian bootable from hard disk
Hi, Recently I upgraded my system with a new hard disk, and moved all of Debian over to the new harddisk. After having moved it, I recalibrated the old disk, scratching everything that was there including the master boot record. This was ok, and all my files got themselves safely on their new destination. But after scratching the old hard disks, my Debian was no longer bootable from the hard disk, so I ran lilo... however, lilo reports that it can't install the boot info correctly. I know that if I formatted the hard disk under MS-DOS and then proceeded onto installing debian over it, and running lilo to make it bootable, things would be ok... heck, I've done that before with the same hard disk involved. But my problem is, that I don't have MS-DOS anymore :-) It is nowhere in sight here, only Linux... Has anyone had this problem before, and knows the answer? Apparantly it seems to me, that cfdisk doesn't format the boot part of the hard disk properly... is there another way to accomplish that, than to go down town and buy that horrible os lookalike MS-DOS and friends, just to install the boot block ;-) Sincerely, ÖEH -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Making Debian bootable from hard disk
Luis Francisco Gonzalez writes: What's the lilo.conf? Which is the root partition? The way I see it, you should have something like: My lilo.conf file looks like: boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hdc1 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only And it doesn't work... Before I tried to use /dev/hda1 as a swap disk, I tried precisely this setup, whith the boot partition on /dev/hda1 and root on /dev/hdc1. This worked flawlessly, so I thought it safe to use the disk as a swap disk (for it's small size), but it had too many errors on it, so I assumed it wasn't stable enough to use for swap. The error message I am getting from liloconfig: Warning: BIOS drive 0x82 may not be accessible I assume means that even though I have changed the partition type back to 0x83 (Linux ext2) there is somewhere on the disk some leftovers that mark it type 0x82 (Linux swap) and thus make it inaccessable? Any ideas? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Linux filesystem from DOS?
Jones, David A \(CAP, ITS, US\) writes: Hi Team- I was wondering if anyone has a method of writing Linux / Un*x filenames from DOS apps. You know- where we have more than 1 period in the filename like x.yyy.zz? I have to move some files back forth, but DOS changes the name to x-yyy.zz so when I try to use gunzip, etc, I get an error saying the file has been modified or corrupted. I tried renaming the file back to x.yyy.zz before un-tarring or uncompressing but it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? Thanks for your time. Did you use FTP to upload/download the file to/from Unix/Linux using DOS? If that is the case, you probably overlooked that DOS FTP sessions use 'ASCII' transfer modes instead of 'BINARY'. This would count for the corrupted compressed format, reported by tar. When you start an FTP session on a DOS platform, you need to do an explicit 'binary' command to set the transfer to binary. On Unix systems this is the default mode of operation. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [DEBIAN] Financial software?
I'm looking for an application that will let me manage my bankaccounts and can draw some nice graphs to show what I'm spending my money on. No fancy features are necessary :-). How much features do you want in your package? To be able to record your income, spending and record your holdings and liabilities. And to just view basic graphs of income (which would be linear) and spending... or to view graphs showing where an income over a specific period is spent... Or, do you need to do more 'accounting' like transactions? Transactioons from and to multiple accounts, automatic transactions. Double account, or just simple accounting. Do you wish for simplified transactions, where you just type the amount and the category. Would you like to be able to define your own accounting key, or be able use one to pattern and base your accounting on. Would you like to be able to create a balance sheet, see a balance graph, income/spending graphs over variable periods with selectable accounts... or from the periodic result sheet? I am interested in some feedback on the basic wishes on such a product, as I am writing an accounting program. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar Scott Ellis: Maybe if you'd tell us what is unstable for you it could be fixed. I've only experienced neglegable problems using hamm. Ok, here is my system (Just for an overview, the latest in hamm). kernel2.0.30 xbase 3.3.1 xlib6g3.3.1 xaw3dg1.3-6 ncurses3.41.9.9g libc 5.4.33 libc 2.0.5c xpm xpm4g jpeg libjpegg6a gcc 2.7.2.3 libg++272 2.7.2.8 libpaperg 1.0.3 ghostview 1.5-16 gs3.33-6 xfig 3.2.0 netbase 3.00 netstd3.00 ppp 2.3.1 Now, I can use pppd to manually put up my network... but diald (which I normally use) doesn't work, it will fail with 'sl0: transmit timeout, bad line quality?'... And now lets see, here is ghostview... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/bin/X11/ghostview Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x804df70 in _start () (gdb) bt #0 0x804df70 in _start () #1 0x80c2588 in ?? () #2 0x804c9fe in _start () (gdb) And then there is xfig... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/bin/X11/xfig xfig: this input-method don't support OffTheSpot input style xfig: using ROOT input style instead. (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4020d8a4 in free () (gdb) bt #0 0x4020d8a4 in free () #1 0x4020d841 in free () #2 0x400c49ad in XtFree () #3 0x4006a543 in _XawMultiSaveAsFile () #4 0x40069f7d in XawListShowCurrent () #5 0x400e4837 in XtSetSensitive () #6 0x400e4daf in XtSetValues () #7 0x40079e5e in _XawTextExecuteUpdate () #8 0x400e4837 in XtSetSensitive () #9 0x400e47f8 in XtSetSensitive () #10 0x400e4daf in XtSetValues () #11 0x80b31c5 in _start () #12 0x80adb92 in _start () #13 0x809a85d in _start () #14 0x80a9d52 in _start () #15 0x80765bc in _start () (gdb) These two programs are well known and function fully on normal Unix systems, that is also why I list them here. The problem, at least in the case of xfig, is a clash between libc5 and libc6. A library will establish a pointer through libc5, and then X will try to free it through libc6... or in other cases this is vice versa. This case is interresting, because the backtrace shows that this is the fault of the Xaw3d... this is because Xaw3d library is listed before /usr/X11R6/lib in ld.so.conf, removing the reference to Xaw3d will allow xfig to function normally... similar SIGSEGV are called in many programs, even that I compile here, and usually the fault is found inside malloc() or free()... All these problems have to do with collition between libraries, either at the maintainers' or at the users end. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar Scott Ellis: The problem is that linking a program with both libc6 and librarys linked with libc5 will produce problems. Programs that are linked this way should have bugs filed against them if they haven't been already. Yes you need to purge and reconstruct your development environment, but it isn't impossible or even difficult to live with both c librarys. That is most likely true... but as a user, who want's to have a libc6 system. Wouldn't it me more normal, to have the packages all developed and linked to libc6 libraries, and provide libc5-compat libraries as an extra (in hamm, that is), just to be able to run old programs? The blended environment that has been there for a while, is a little problematic IMHO. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Can I use Samba with dial-up?
Þann 19-Nov-97 skrifar Oliver Elphick: I have to connect to a client through their Win/NT network to get to their Unix machine. They want me to use Dial-Up Adapter from Win95, but this means that I have to drop all other useful work while I boot up that abomination. I can't make it work anyway, and as usual with MS stuff I can't find out what is going on. Can I use Samba to dial out on a modem and connect to their network? I can see how to use Samba across a network, but not how to use it with a direct dial-up connection. Since I actually want to talk to a Unix machine, can I do without Samba altogether? Does MS Dial-up Adapter use ppp? If so, what kind of negotiation does it do? (I'm sure the customer won't know.) Is it possible to telnet through such a connection to the network beyond? It depends on how they've installed their system. Usually M$ requires a special M$ handshake with other M$ machines that dial into an NT administered network. But the NT can also handle normal PPP/PAP authendication on their incoming dialup line. If they use PAP authendication it's easy, the only abomination from the rule is the user authendication part, which you put into your pap-secrets file... it must look like DOMAIN\\username * PASSWORD Where DOMAIN is the NT Domain that is assigned to dialin users at your remote end. However, I was unable to use samba over the serial line... samba didn't work over it (this was last summer, so maybe it has improved some). But once you're connected with PPP (with dynamic IP address for their intranet), things should be according to your wishes. You may notice, that your remote NT server will behave strangely on an occasion. One part is, that when you are doing ftp it will freeze. This happens if you are downloading a large file, and there is a lot of delay on the network... usually you'll get the whole file, but won't receive the last signature packet. So, just monitor the file until its full and then kill the ftp session, to keep the file :-) Another really neat feature with NT server is, that after a while, especially if the RAS is configured to use DHCP for the incoming lines instead of fixed addresses. Is that you'll suddenly get a very LONG pause... this is because the server got a few other dialers dialing in, and put you down the last on his queue and forgot you (temporarily :-) ), if it get's annoyingly long till it remembers you again... just hangup and re-dial the server :-) Ah... Don't you just love Micro$oft and their Neue Technoly? :-) Hope that helps. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 19-Nov-97 skrifar Scott Ellis: Yep, it's a bug in xaw3d. Not exactly making your system unusable, since it is easilly fixed. Nor was I saying that it was unusable... I was saying, that if one intends to upgrade to a libc6 system, one needs to upgrade the entire base system. Purgeing the old libc5 stuff... if you don't, you may very well end up in a situation where your system becomes unusable... and if it does, that *that* was the problem... conflict between the two libraries. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 19-Nov-97 skrifar Philippe Troin: Change the network: line of /etc/nsswitch.conf from files dns to files. That should make it. Now this is what I call a useful pointer! Thanks!, that did the trick... thanks a million! Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar Daniel Doro Ferrante: After that email, I tried to upgrade 'tetex-bin' but I also got the same message: seg fault in the pre-inst AND pos-inst scripts !!! I can't figure out what is happening. I tried to use libc6 and libc5 in different ways in order to find out if it were the problem - no problem; besides everything else is working fine - so I think that libc's are not the problem (but I am not sure yet). Downgrade libc6 to 2.0.4-1... libc6 2.0.5c is close to unusable yet. and if you intend to use libc6 for future use and development, then purge libc5 and all its remnants, as there *is* and will remain a conflict between the two. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar Scott Ellis: On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote: NO! ABSOLUTLY POSITIVLY DO *NOT* PURGE LIBC5! YOU WILL TRASH YOUR SYSTEM BEYOND ALL HOPE OF REPAIR! What you do need to do if you're upgrading to a full hamm (unstable) system is to use dpkg to purge the existing '-dev' packages on your system. The existing librarys only need updated. You can purge all libc5 programs, takes a trick or two though... and it's the ONLY way to get a stable libc6 system. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar James Troup: Orn E. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can purge all libc5 programs, takes a trick or two though... and it's the ONLY way to get a stable libc6 system. I've been tracking hamm on several systems, ever since libc6 came out... and there is NOTHING stable about it(period) Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Þann 18-Nov-97 skrifar Scott Ellis: I beg to differ here. My machine runs sync'd to hamm, but I still use several programs that are only libc5 (including netscape). Everything works fine, although with Netscrape running my memory useage is a bit on the cramped side. The reason I say, that you need to purge them (especially if you are doing development), is because of... 0x401c6230 in malloc () (gdb) bt #0 0x401c6230 in malloc () #1 0x401c6145 in malloc () #2 0x401c12cc in fopen () #3 0x80ab65b in getline () #4 0x80abb5c in getline () #5 0x80ada67 in getline () #6 0x80afcb9 in getline () #7 0x8051b25 in _start () #8 0x805330d in _start () #9 0x40038bfc in fl_object_qread () #10 0x40046ef5 in fl_do_forms () #11 0x80570fd in _start () Programs like xfig, and ghostview will produce similar results... SIGSEGV in malloc() or free(). The reason here, appears to be that libc5 and libc6 use two different malloc routines and algorithms... and CAN'T be used side by side. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: procmail help
Þann 02-Nov-97 skrifar Paul Miller: * All system mail programs should check for netscape's lock file if [ -L $HOME/.netscape/lock ]; then and not execute if it exists.. (netscape can't handle another program modifing the mail boxes). Are you sure it's Netscape? I've got Communicator installed here, and it doesn't seem to mind that XF-Mail is also running and automatically collecting mail from the mailbox? And I do sometimes collect the mail with Netscape? Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 02-Nov-97 skrifar Pere Camps: Ok. I've checked and it looks like everything's ok. In fact, after setting LC_ALL to es_ES, perl doesn't complain any more. That makes sense, LC_ALL will override your setting of LC_CTYPE. Now, it's bash. ;) Try converting to bash from hamm. I used to be able to type accented characters in the command line, and now I'm not able to do so. I have LC_ALL set to es_ES and LC_CTYPE set to ISO_8859_1... anyway, you're not supposed to have accented filenames so it really doesn't matter. Thanks for your help. I've got a lot of accented filenames, a directory named bókhald, etc :-) No problems. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Where is Navigator .deb file?
Þann 02-Nov-97 skrifar Adrian Monk: I read somewhere in this group that there is a .deb file of Navigator 4.03, have hunted high and low at the Debian and Netscape ftp sites, but can't find it. Can someone give a pointer to where it is? The debian installer, is under contrib... I think. You were probably looking for 4.03, under the Netscape folder on the Netscape ftp site. Version 4.03 is called Communicator, so look under that folder, and you should find it. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: How do I set LOCALE?
Þann 01-Nov-97 skrifar Johann Spies:
I have been reading the interesting discussion about setting locale. I
could not see, however how do you do it. I have for instance tried set
LANG='uk' in bash, and it have no effect on the LOCALE-settings.
There are two locale packages, 'wg15-locale', that has all locale data
for libc5. And 'locales', that supplies localedata for libc6. There
should be information for these, under /usr/doc/{wg15-locale,libc6}.
The reason your locale settings don't change, is because there is
because there is no locale 'uk'. For the United Kingdom, you would
specify 'en_GB' (English, Great Britain). These shortcuts are
standard, and will be represented by a directory in /usr/share/locale
with the same name, and/or a file in /usr/share/i18n/locale.
The locale-manpage did not help me. I could also not find something about
it in Linux in a Nutshell or the Linux System Administrator's Guide.
Maybe that is because locale support for Linux, is broken... as it is
only supported by a few applications. It's unfortunate, but the standard
seems to be still 7-bit ascii... even under Unix. And, apparantly difficult,
to get some of the core to respect other peoples language needs. Only
large corporations, that have their income depend on other 'nationalities'
buying their systems, are advancing the issue. The rest trails far
behind... along with the documentation :-)
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Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 31-Oct-97 skrifar Marcus Brinkmann: You are right in all points, although I don't know the meaning of legedly (my dictionary does not know it, too). legedly = according to legend :-) I would consider a script that depends on the setting of a locale as buggy, So I would encourage LC_ALL for people that want to do testing. If a script really does need C locale, it should be wise enough to set it temporarly. I agree with that, on all accounts. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 31-Oct-97 skrifar Pere Camps:
Orn,
Perl doesn't complain anymour if I unset LC_CTYPE, but bash does.
It doesn't let me put latin-1 characters.
I have...
LANG=is
...and just tried bash. It allowed me to enter accented characters.
Even tried with LANG set to es_ES, no problem there either. Are you sure
your locale data is correct?
try this code...
#include stdio.h
#include ctype.h
#include locale.h
main()
{
printf(Locale is %s\n, setlocale(LC_ALL, ));
printf(The uppercase of ñ = %c\n, toupper('ñ'));
}
...with LC_ALL set to es_ES. If it displays the correct upper case
character Ñ, then your LC_CTYPE is set correctly. Else, note what
it says your locale is.
But I think changing ISO_8859_1 to iso_8859_1 would do the
trick.
Try combinations, like iso-8859-1.
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Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 31-Oct-97 skrifar Pere Camps: Andy, I only hace en_GB there, but in /usr/share/locale I have all the others. The thing is that -I think- I have installed all the needed packages for locale support, but perl is not getting it. Bash doesn't complain about LC_CTYPE. In fact, if I unset LC_CTYPE, I can't type latin-1 characters in it. It means your en_GB locale data is broken. If you look under the folder /usr/share/locale/en_GB you should see a file LC_CTYPE, this file should hold the information for iso-8859-1, normally. If this file is damaged, or holds a wrong version of locale data (i.e. the locale data for libc5 wont work with libc6 and vice versa, because they have different magic numbers in their header), it won't work. I tried, but it didn't work. Try iso-8859-1, or ISO-8859-1. These files should reside in /usr/share/i18n/charmaps. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: printing and samba
Þann 31-Oct-97 skrifar Paul Miller: I have three questions: (2) How do I print in color? Netscape has the option of color, but it won't print in color. I'm using a HP DJ660C shared on a win95 machine with magicfilter's dj550c-filter. Use postscript printing, and pipe it through GhostScript. There is a deskjet color driver built into ghostscript that does good colors, and works with all series of HP deskjet, all the way up to 870Cxi. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 30-Oct-97 skrifar Torsten Hilbrich: Pere Camps [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Whenever I start perl, I get the following warning: perl: warning: Setting locale failed for the categories: LC_CTYPE perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = ISO_8859_1, LANG = es_ES are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the C locale. Try setting LC_CTYPE to es_ES too. It worked for me with de_DE. Locale es_ES has Latin-1 character set as default? If so, just do a 'unsetenv LC_CTYPE', the LANG variable will see to that the LC_CTYPE is set properly. But I think changing ISO_8859_1 to iso_8859_1 would do the trick. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Linux as a Firewall
The issue of pros/cons of an operating systems are very biased, based on the person who is talking. So, I wouldn't expect anything else but a biased discussion on the matter. :-) Everyone's favorite horse is the best there is ;-) Just for a point of argument, on another list there were guys talking about the pros/cons of Hardware... here Linux and Pentium environment was so good that a SPARC was compared to a 286 in speed (reality turned around for favouring ones favorite platform :-) (I think Debian developers will get a bit of a kick regarding what is said about Slackware/RedHat/Debian developers in general - or, at least, what is implied) Anyone here care to comment? Nope. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl and ISO-8859-1
Þann 31-Oct-97 skrifar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Try setting LC_CTYPE to es_ES too. It worked for me with de_DE. Torsten Or just LC_ALL=es_ES (as I do it with de_DE). This sets all the LC_* variables. What LC_ALL variable will do, is *force* all variables to that setting, this however is *not* always the desired result. Let me give you an example... if you're on a modern advanced workstation (Not Linux, but one that has locales fully functional), then... LC_ALL = is_IS Will cause the result of 'date' command to be... Lau, 1 Nóv 1997. 17:24:00 GMT Which *legedly* causes some scripts to malfunction, because they expect a C style date. The date is controlled by the LC_TIME variable, but changing this one, won't matter, as the LC_ALL variable has precedence. So, you either have to have ALL variables the locale, or ALL to the C style. But, by undefining the LC_ALL variable and using the LANG variable instead. You can then select which category is what. You can thus set your LANG to... LANG = is_IS LC_TIME = C And then the fields LC_NUMERIC, LC_MESSAGES, LC_COLLATE, LC_CTYPE and LC_MONETARY will function as the locale specifies. But the result of the 'date' command... Sat Nov 1 1997. 17:24:00 GMT ...the C locale as specified by the LC_TIME variable. Thus, you have a better control over you locale's settings. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: The real Debian.org
Þann 26-Oct-97 skrifar Dave Cinege: Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. It happens everywhere, if you challenge the leader of a group. Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the project. They will gang-up on you and drive you away. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. There are many things, people should be ashamed of themselves for... but people will continue to be people, non the less. If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a closed software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to the personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of the project, make no bones about it. Now you've learned... But you shouldn't feel angry, pushed or vengeful. People sell themselves, for a little attention... from those who they term as the leadership... that's nothing to hate people for, because it's human. And although people throw harsh words at you, it's not because they are ganging on you. But because they are protecting themselves... they feel, that by attacking the leader, you are attacking the distribution and thus ultimately... them. We've all been tought that argumentation is what makes intelligent people... and the only way you can ever argue somone on your side, is when it will benefit that somone. We are all animals, and our ultimate goal is to feed... thus, next time you present your arguments on an issue, put your feelings aside and present them in a way where your arguments will clearly serve and benefit the interest of those, whom you present it to... and, present it to the right crowd. Orn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice+fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org
Þann 27-Oct-97 skrifar Gernot Bauer: Dave (dc) wrote: -- Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. [crap deleted] Can we please filter mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the debian-user-list (and the digest). It was funny in the beginning but this freak just wastes bandwidth. Yeah, and bandwidth costs money... and who wants to pay for opinions nobody wants to hear, right? So, why don't we lock'im in a lunatic assylum... I mean, he doesn't share our view of the world... so he must be crazy! No, better yet, let's take the JEW and put'im in the Gas chamber... that way, he won't return ever! Let's march to Victory! SIEG HEIL! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 05-Sep-97 Buddha Buck wrote: [snip] Not really. The current -standard- for email transmission is RFC821 (also about 15 years old), and that explicitly states that SMTP is 7-bits only. ESTMP, MIME, and other standards-track protocols are designed to try to work around that problem, but not all sites use ESTMP yet, etc. Sure... but that ain't the point. The date and time descriptions are quite acceptable as they are defined in the standards, to a point. But it should also be noted, that these are system dates. What I put as a content in my e-mail message, is not subject to any standard... and the 'Date' field, is like the 'Subject' field, a user supplied field. No, sensible mail agent parses it... But, even that is really besides the point... it is of no issue to co-operate with people, that have a problem with their mail agents, and civily ask for co-operation. Under those conditions, it is just civility to comply. I wasn't asked to be civil... just kicked out of the mailing list, if that is the way you people co-operate. You should prepare yourself for a shock, because I am not the only person in the World, who doesn't have much sympathy or patience with people who definately fill the category of geek. ...just me. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 03-Sep-97 George Bonser wrote: I STRONGLY disagree. I want to know when you wrote it ... not when it arrived here. If a mail was delayed a day or two in route, it might completely change how I look at the information in the email. Example, a put-down of Princess Diana might be viewed in poor taste if it arrives after she died but might be perfectly acceptable expression of opinion if authored three days earlier and delayed in route. I could easily be using a custom mail client, and the 'date' field is created when I write it. But nothing says I have to actually send it when I write it. I can wait a day or two, and then hit the return key to send it. The first system stamp, is the stamp of the original receiver, telling when the email started it's 'email route'. And thus the most reliable source as to when the email was sent. As it is the system that makes these stamps when the email passes by, and not the user, However, the 'Date' field is displayed on my screen when I view my email. And It is therefore for display and will be in locale format, in many situations. ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 03-Sep-97 Olaf Weber wrote: RFC822 would be the appropriate one here, and it does impose some restrictions regarding what can and cannot be a date header: 5. DATE AND TIME SPECIFICATION 5.1. SYNTAX date-time = [ day , ] date time; dd mm yy ; hh:mm:ss zzz day = Mon / Tue / Wed / Thu / Fri / Sat / Sun So it certainly looks like Orn needs to fix his mailer. The RFC are just guidelines... and not rules. And the above guideline applies to system times. Not to the contents of subject or date headers. These are display fields, that are filled in by the client programs. And besides, the english language is good... but it is spoken by a minority in the World. And what are you going to do with the poor suckers who can't read email? Tell them they must learn english or not know when the email they are receiving was sent? that's silly :-) ...just me Quote of the Day: Everybody who can't read english... will be shot! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 03-Sep-97 Clare Johnstone wrote: If not sorted at all, listed as they arrive, the threads are in good order. For example the date on Orn's mail as received just now is: Date: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mi=F0,?= 03 Sep 1997 23:00:14 +0200 (CET DST) Which is: Date: Mið, 03 Sep 1997 23:00:14 +0200 (CET DST) My Received time is:Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:00:09 (Western Australia) My clock is undoubtedly permanently and irretrievably mis-set :) I think no-one really wants all dates in GMT. cheers, clare Every server that handles an email message, stamps the email. An email will thus have a long list of 'Received' lines. The first in the list will be the original server, which will be the server to whom you sent the mail, when you hit the return key to 'send' the email. And have the same date stamp :-) However, in the case of mailing lists, as this one. This does become a little more complicated. As an email is sent to the list, and the list server stores the email, and when it sends it back to you, the first stamp will thus be the date the list server sends you the mail... and not the date when the author wrote it. But the problem lies in, that the 'Date' field is like the 'Subject' field a display field, that will in many cases be in locale format. As it is created by the email client, and not a system stamp. But since you're english :-) this particular date is in your locale format, and your program can easily decipher it. But in say, Sweden, where a person will be sending 80% of his/her email to people reading swedish, it makes sense that the Date they read on the screan is in swedish, or their own locale :-) But when your program will start decyphering the date into machine readable format, using 'your' locale date-specifics... it'll just get lost ;-) ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 04-Sep-97 Manoj Srivastava wrote: The RFC are all the rules that actually apply to the internet. And if we all start ignoring the rules, the cooperative process that is the internet (and, indeed, Linux itself is the product of a similar cooperative process). If you must have a change, and you do not think that the current internationalization effort is not doing enough, use a Header like X-Time and fill it anyway you wish; at least automata that expects standard headers to bve standards conformant does not break. The RFC are Request For Comments, and not rules. And to be perfectly sincere, there are only limited amount guidence taken from them in the corporate world. Maybe because they never fully address the need of the Internet :-) There is no Debate... the question rose as somebody complained about his server software breaking on my mail... and I guessed it was because of my Date field being a quoted printable inside a header field. This is a standard, period. However, I did start my mail client in the C locale, that ensures that the Date was written in C locale... but I was still kicked out of the list for it... so, I don't think the problem has anything to do with my 'Date' field, do you? :-) So, I'll just have it the way I see fit ;-) There are still some 7-bit servers out there (and minds ;-)... I'm not going to, neither now nor in future to comply in making my software 7-bits just for those servers, they'll just have to break, until the administrators find it with in their time to comply to evolution. These servers are out-dated by 50 years. :-) ...Just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Printer Advice: HP 870C or Epson Stylus 800
On 03-Sep-97 Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: I'm contemplating buying one of the two subject printers. Has anyone out there used either of these two printers under Linux? Easy to use under Linux is the key criteria. Color printing is nice to have but most of my important printing needs are black and white. Will use ghostscript. Epson has optional postscript. Anyone know what this is? Appears to be software (like ghostscript) that emulates postscript. Is it OS dependent as I suspect (resides on my computer) or is it actually installed into the printer? Any clues you can give me are appreciated. I've used an HP DeskJet 870Cxi, and HP LaserJet 5L at Work with Debian. The way I did it, was to create a small wrapper script around 'lpr', and then use ghostscript to interpret postscript for the printer. Apart from the fact that it required quite a large disk space for printing (about 100Mbyte for large files), it worked quite well. Netscape printout came in glorius colors :-) and I printed manuals up to 700 pages on the LaserJet. ...just me. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Mail Agent.
On 03-Sep-97 Eng. Jose Luis Faria wrote: Hello I'm looking for a mail agent like Eudora, ishmail but freeware. Please send me the some advices. Try XFMail 1.0... I definately recommend it. ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Private XF-Mail package available
On 03-Sep-97 George Bonser wrote: Sure, I would like to have a look at it. The version that I currently have packaged is 1.1 which looks a lot smoother than the older version that I had and the newer versions are supposed to be even better from what I hear. What I like is to be able to auto-expire messages in mailing list folders ... kind of like newsgroup articles do. This makes subscriptions to multiple mailing lists easier to manage. There is one minor detail with XFMail, that the editor doesn't enable accented characters (I think this comes from xforms, but not sure). However, I have a patch for this, if you are interrested. ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Date in mail headers
On 02-Sep-97 Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Orn, your mailer is formatting dates in a way that pine doesn't understand Ah, unfortunately that would happen... the header produced by my mailer reads: HReceived: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by oehansen.pp.se (8.8.7/8.8.7/Debian/GNU) id TAA11866; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:15:50 +0200 And the date field... HDate: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mi=F0,?= 03 Sep 1997 19:14:09 +0200 (CET DST) Your mailer is probably choking on the quoted printables... and most likely trying to decypher the date. I think it should decypher the date in 'Received', rather than in 'Date' ?? ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Undefined reference to '...'
On 03-Sep-97 Gonzalo A. Diethelm wrote: The only official way sanctioned by the upcoming C++ ANSI/ISO standard to instantiate templates is to explicitly mention the types you want to use for instantiation. All of the repository techniques that exist, some better, some worse, are not standard and that's one reason why you do this differently on each platform. If you ask me, explicit instantiation is the correct way, because it gives you the control on where, when and how many times (hopefully just once!) you instantiate something. I went to some length to code my object, so they had a common ancestor that would be independant of their superclass. The object should be the same for any classes sharing it (instantiated only once). However, the method I can use with GCC forces me to instantiate it once, for every object that shares it. This way the object oriented mechanism is really lost, except in making the source code more readable, imho. There have been a lot of good pointers on the subject in this thread... and I haven't been able to try out the egcs distribution yet, but I'm working on it. And I'm looking forward to seeing a better light tomorrow :-) ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Date in mail headers
On 03-Sep-97 Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Hm, interesting thought.. Right now it does sort by the Date: line which is quite nice, it puts all the messages in thread order, unless people have mis-set clocks ; Sorting by the recived line would likely be the same as not sorting at all though. I am using XF-Mail, except that I compiled it myself... with locales on. The date line that is created is normal. The standard states, that if there are non us-ascii characters in header lines, they should be quoted printables. The 'date' line is also created by the end users program... and not by the system. But the 'Received line is the stamp the system gives. It should thus make more sense to parse the 'Received' line to decypher the date, rather than the date line. The first 'Received' line in the chain, should also give the same date. ...just me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: X-Server again
On 01-Sep-97 Volker Bauer wrote: Still my problem is my X-Server: Several time I tried now to config my X-Server without success. Both XF86Setup and xf86config failed. Always I get Error messages after finishing the conifguration like: Unable to connect to X-Server X11TransSocketUNIXconnect: errno 111 This happend both with S3 and Svga, although installed both servers with dselect. Why does the configuration with XF86Setup and xf86config always fail? I wonder. Have I made a mistake? Not necessarily, I recently got the same problem after I upgraded my system. And had the same error message. Incidentally I had a copy of my old XF86Config file, which I edited in hand, adding my video card, and took video modes from the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Monitors, that applied to my Monitor. After this my X server started up perfectly. You should try do the same, and see if it works. There are both sample Devices and Screen sections that can be found in the document directory for XFree86 (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc). The files 'Devices' and 'Monitors'. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Netscape installation problems
On 01-Sep-97 Dave Neuer wrote: Hi I am trying to install Netscape 3.01 on my Debian system. The machine running debian has no connection to the Internet, so to transfer files to the Debian box, I have to first download them onto my PowerMac, and then transfer them over my local network. The mac doesn't like the name netscape-v301-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz, and so truncates it to netscape-v301-export.x86-unknow. I transfered the file to the Linux box, and then attempted to run the Debian netscape installer, and got the following message: ERROR: The Netscape archive must be in /tmp under the name: /tmp/netscape-v301-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.[gz|Z] Do NOT simply rename the archive of another version in order to force it to install with this package. It will not work. Archive files can be found on ftp.netscape.com. Whatever the filename is when your PowerMac has downloaded it, copy it into the '/tmp' directory on your Debian machine, and then rename that file to the appropriate name as indicated above... i.e. mv /tmp/netscape-v301-export-x86-unknow /tmp/netscape-v301-export-x86-unknown-li nux-elf-tar.gz And then re-install the netscape package. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
