Re: Beginner question
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:56:59 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 07:43:18AM +, Pedro M. wrote: In any case, one can create a newbie-user and advanced-user email lists if necessary. I think it's what Debian need now . There was a good rebuttal of this recently, observing well, who would hang out on this newbie list to help them?. I know I wouldn't - I can barely cope with debian-user as it is. But what an absolutely excellent voluntary service you provide, Colin. Outstanding. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best practice for crontabs
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:02:57 +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Andy Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have just figured out that there are 4 separate (types of) crontabs in debian /etc/crontab /etc/cron.d/... /etc/cron.daily, monthly, weekly /var/spool/crontabs/... but I'm none the wiser about why there are so many ways to do such a simple thing. Can anyone enlighten me as to which I should use when? If you want a script to be run daily, weekly or monthly, place in in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly, or /etc/cron.monthly. Cron will take care of the rest for you - you won't have to write a crontab line telling cron when to run it. If daily, weekly and monthly is not sufficient for you, create a file in /etc/cron.d with a crontab line telling cron when to run it. Only use this for system jobs. If you want to run jobs as a normal user, use crontab -e This will edit your user crontab in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. Also, if you regularly shut down your system for periods, like a home PC user would do, then you probably need anacron. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Packaging quality
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:07:32 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 07:50:22AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:43:31AM +, Colin Watson wrote: I know you weren't; I was referring to Paul's remark about package quality, which came right out of left field. Not entirely. There's been more complaints recently about not being able to upgrade to testing cleanly, which is Not Good considering everybody running stable will eventually upgrade to what's in testing when it moves down. Most of them that I've seen have been about KDE, which was known (oh, God, believe me, it was known!) and has recently been fixed. I've had no problems in testing (as I don't use KDE!), except for the change in behaviour of lilo which is in any case lilo release related rather than debian related. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get update error
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:51:02 +0530, Deboo wrote: I'm using debian woody. After reading an article in LG on apt (Issue 86 - Debian APT, part2), I wanted to try using some package from testing and I did as per the artile, putting 2 new lines for testing and unstable in sources.list. But after I apt-get update, at the end, I get this output: Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing magnus (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iitm.ac.in_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. I tried deleting this file and re-running apt-get update but still the same. What am I doing wrong? The file seems to be fine if I open it with a E: Error occured while processing magnus (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iitm.ac.in_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. I tried deleting this file and re-running apt-get update but still the same. What am I doing wrong? The file seems to be fine if I open it with a pager/editor. This question has been asked and answered several times. Either searching this list's archives, or googling on: the error message, apt-get and update will give you the answer. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade of kernel-image
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:34:25 +0100, mess-mate wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:20:26 +0100 Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |On 2004-02-19, mess-mate penned: | | Sorry, not clear enough for me. | I'd a kernel-image -2.4.24-1-686 installed and did an upgrade to the 2.4.24-2 | Since Can't boot anymore; the boot sequence stops after loading the initrd. | Didn't reinstall lilo; the vmlinuz-name seems the same . | Anyone had this pb ? | Regards | mess-mate | | | |You need to re-run lilo after changing the kernel. The fact that the |name doesn't change is irrelevant. (However, I'm not sure if the |package installer prompts you to run lilo when you install a kernel |image?) | |-- |monique | Yes hi did and I didn't run lilo !. I'll rerun lilo immediatly. Thanks for the tip. mess-mate Just try to keep in mind that, on installation (i.e. when you run lilo), lilo builds a map of physical locations (i.e. disk sectors) of what it needs at boot time. That's why it's so small and why it doesn't need to grok filesystems at boot time. The downside is that you need to remember to rerun it when you do anything which changes where stuff it needs physically resides. For instance, renaming a kernel image, copying a new kernel image into /boot with the same name as the prior kernel image, and then removing the old kernel image will put the new kernel image in a different physical location, even though everything looks exactly the same. In fact, lilo might even still be able to boot the old deleted image if none of its sectors get overwritten. That's speculation on my part - what is *not* speculation is that it will not be able to boot the new image because it knows nothing about it. The answer is always: You can never run lilo too many times, or: When in doubt, run lilo :) I speak from experience: I have forgotten to run lilo more times than Madonna's dropped her underwear. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude marking everything packages held back?
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:54:11 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: (I wonder how I managed to change that setting without noticing ...) You make me a bit nervous for you when you say stuff like that, Monique :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:05:13 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:35:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE GOD PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my 24-hour Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and commercials and wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world country any more! Reminds me of a self-deprecating joke I heard in Canada once. Canada could have been good. It could have had British culture, French cuisine and American technology. Instead, it got American culture, British cuisine and French technology. Reminds me of a very old list of the shortest books in the world. From memory, and I'm missing a lot: The American Book Of Good Taste The French Book Of Military Victories The Irish Book Of Knowledge The German Book Of Humour The Italian Book Of War Heroes The British Book Of Bloodless Post-Colonial Pullouts There. That should pretty much offend everybody. : -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLI
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:50:18 -0500, David T-G wrote: Oh, for the days when Linux really was just for geeks... :-) OK, I can't resist as this thread is so way off topic anyway... A geek is walking along a country road trying to find a use for an array of pointers to arrays of pointers to functions when a noise interrupts his thoughts. He looks down to see a frog sitting in the road. The frog says, Hey, I'm not really a frog but a beautiful woman. A witch cast a spell on me and turned me into a frog, but if you kiss me, I'll turn back into a beautiful woman again! The geek picks up the frog, looks at it for a moment, smiles, then puts it in his pocket. A few muffled cries later, he takes the frog back out of his pocket. The frog says, If you kiss me, not only will I turn into a beautiful woman, but I'll do *anything* you want! The geek smiles and puts the frog back in his pocket. More muffled cries, and he takes the frog back out. The frog says, If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful woman, do anything you want *and* be your slave for a whole year! The geek smiles and puts the frog back in his pocket again. Even more muffled cries, and he takes the frog out again. The frog, getting a bit annoyed, says, Listen, buddy, I've told you that if you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful woman, do anything you want and be your slave for a year. Why aren't you kissing me? What's the deal here? The geek says, I'm a computer programmer and I'm much too busy for girlfriends, but, a talking frog - that's cool! -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Info re. lilo 22.5.8-11 on Sarge
All, Just some info. lilo's behavior has changed with the above package in Sarge. It will by default apply change automatic, which for me meant that it changed the partition types of all but one of the NTFS/FAT32 partitions on the disk containing my XP system partition to hidden, causing a certain amount of consternation this morning on booting XP :) lilo *does* issue a warning during install that it's going to apply change automatic. If you missed or ignored the warning: to clean up the mess, use cfdisk to reset partition types and add just change to your other stanza which will disable this behavior. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tmpfs and /tmp vs. /dev/shm
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:01:34 -0500, Darin Strait wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm running kernel 2.6.2 and I'm experimenting with tmpfs. I added the following to my fstab: tmpfs /tmptmpfs size=50m,mode=1777 0 0 I then rebooted, just to be sure. kiyone:/etc# mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda3 on /home type ext3 (rw) tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=100m,mode=1777) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) kiyone:/etc# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 1.9G 1.6G 242M 87% / /dev/hda3 108G 88G 15G 86% /home tmpfs 100M 608K 100M 1% /tmp tmpfs 157M 0 157M 0% /dev/shm Now, I'd noticed the tmpfs filesystem at /dev/shm before. I naively assumed that it would evaporate once I modified fstab. Not so. So, why do I have two tmpfs file systems? Which one should my system be using, and how do I get rid of the other one? Both are OK. You can have more than one tmpfs mount. tmpfs maps the mounted filesystems into VM. For an intro, take a look at : http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs3.html -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLI
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:17:06 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 04:13:22PM -0500, David T-G wrote: What about a switch with a 1 and 0? From what I've read of you so far it would obviously be 'turned on' :-) Do yourselves a favor and stop this patheticness. I'm cringing just reading it. Pathetic, nauseating and creepy all at the same time. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:44:03 +1100, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. The book is 20 years old! There wasn't even an X Window to speak of! I haven't read the book under discussion, but this seems rather odd. How does X enter into systems administration or Unix programming at all, aside from the obvious? You make an excellent point. I've been working with Unices since before the book was published, and it's still the first book I pick up if I need to look up something. That's probably because I am intimately familiar with it, but it's also to do with trust and nostalgia, I'm sure. I feel as if Brian and Rob are old friends. BTW, if you haven't read it, flip through it at a library or a bookstore. You might enjoy it enough to buy a copy. Like I said elsewhere in this thread, it's a bit of Unix history. -- paul The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected. (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Comcast has IPv6, when will Debian?
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:37:20 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: ... Disney got rid of it's animation department Disney didn't. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permissions
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:45:15 -0600, Joshua Jankowski wrote: As I have been quite intelligent in setting permissions on my debian server, I am here to see if anyone has a solution. In my attempt to write recursive permissions on one of my directories, I hit enter a little too prematurely with / as the designated folder. Quickly noticing the error, I hit ctrl-c to stop the operation but as you can guiess, it was not soon enough. It overwrote the permissions that were set by debian in the /bin folder and unknown others. Is there a utility or way to easily(or not) fix the default permissions? You could always get them from your latest backup *cough* -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie install question re: Mouse
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:45:31 -0500, Bob Mills wrote: 2. How can I get into a command line interface from the graphical login window without the mouse? Bob Mills Bob, please post in plain text... To get to a console, Ctrl-Alt-F1 through F6. (There are 6 virtual consoles enabled by default). You can then switch between the 6 consoles using Alt-F1 through F6. Alt-F7 takes you back to X. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:33:15 +0800, Katipo wrote: How much further ahead would Debian be if it already incorporated Knoppixs' hardware recognition, Adamantixs' security features and Xandros' drag and drop capability? Instead I have sat back and watched as supposedly mature aged individuals see fit to inflate their deprived egos by denigrating those distributions that they are not associated with in order to gain some supposed level of acceptance within the immediate group in the manner of an insecure wreck, and those individuals that have not achieved their elementary level within a limited field of achievement. You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti M$ remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, each is good in its own way, and each has its own faults and annoyances. Again, I think it's a question of the immature or insecure seeking acceptance by bleating with the herd. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Paul Morgan: You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti M$ remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and nose nailed shut. No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. My thanks for illustrating my point with your ridiculous post. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:44:38 -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Thorsten Haude: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. I imagine you have the same opinion of Shakespeare? Cicero, Aristotle, etc., etc. Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. KP is definitely not obsolete. Rob Pike, commenting on X: I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck. And, until the recent advent of fast CPUs, he was dead right, of course. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:29:37 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:11:29AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: What would you suggest as an alternative? I've heard calls for Morphix, but that's a derivitive of Knoppix. I'd suggest them putting the Woody CD in the drive and running the installer. Woody's installer is pretty brain-dead... there's not a whole lot there to mess up. That's what's nice about it. That's true, but a new user might want newer software than woody has to offer. Things like openoffice, and newer versions of mozilla. Bijan Well, that's easy. Install a minimal woody, then point to testing or unstable and do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. At lest then you have a coherent, updateable debian distro, even though (in the cases of testing and unstable), things may break from time to time. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Auction R.S. Brookes
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:07:55 +, Clarke Fussells wrote: [snip] Complete all stainless steel mashed potato plant with blanchers, peelers, emulsifiers and mixers * Complete forming battering crumbing and frying lines Formax, Koppens and Stein [snip] Yes, but does all that stuff come with Linux drivers/modules? That'd be pretty cool to be able to make fish and chips or bangers and mash from one's PC. : -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual boot debian Windoze, need advice
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:06:38 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: I want to dual boot an i686 machine with Debian Sarge and Windoze. My situation is somewhat special, so the directions that I find when I google the topic do not really apply IMHO. The i686 computer already has Sarge installed on a 60G HD, and Windoze XP installed on a 30G HD that is sitting inside the case. But the Windoze HD is currently disconnected from both the ribbon cable and the power cable. I want to add an appropriate stanza to lilo.conf and connect cables to get dual boot with a minimum of reinstalling. I would like to have the 60G HD be hda under Linux, and the 30G HD be C: under Windoze. I would like to use lilo. My understanding is that bios boot code on an i686 looks at the MBR of the master drive on the first IDE channel to find the 2nd stage boot program, and that lilo overwrites this record. If I do the cabling so that Windoze HD is the slave drive, lilo should not touch the MBR of the Windoze HD. Correct? So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? TIA You don't say which version of Windows you are using, or whether the Windows drive was the primary drive when Windows was installed. I'm running multi-boot Linux and Windows XP with Windows XP on the first partition in the first slave drive (i.e. what would be /dev/hdb to Linux). When I installed XP, it was on the primary drive; I moved the drive to the slave position and, rather than mess with boot.ini, etc., I simply swapped bios drive numbers in lilo for the Windows boot. If you are using XP or W2K or later, this stanza should work in the situation which you describe: other=/dev/hdb1 label=WinXP table=/dev/hdb master-boot -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:11:15 +, Sam Halliday wrote: i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user :-/ I'll note it in my diary, Sam : -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:04:34 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: [snip] If the idea is to dumb things down so that the stupids don't have to think, eventually all that will be left are the stupids. [snip] Ha! Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. I've just reread this and I probably shouldn't post it, but heck, it took a while to write, so here goes... I once thought that making Debian GNU/Linux easier for the non-IT person to install and use was A Good Thing(tm). But I find my mind has changed on reflection (the reflection started thanks to a fairly good spanking I received on #debian for which I remain grateful). Debian isn't a business, it's a free project, entirely supported by volunteers and contributions/donations. As such, Debian does not need to seek market share, or compete with other Linux distros or other OSes. And, in fact, the more non-IT folks who use Debian, the more immediately onerous for the volunteers becomes the burden of support and documentation. The only level of market share which debian needs is enough to maintain the interest of volunteers and would-be volunteers for development, testing and documentation. And, of course, donors. So, if someone finds debian too hard to install or maintain, and doesn't want to spend the time learning and experimenting, well, that's OK. They can still install RH, Suse, Knoppix or whatever - it's *still Linux*. Or they can install one of the Microsoft products. That's OK, too, if it gives them what they need. The point being that if you install debian, and ask questions which show that you're thinking and trying to learn, debian folks will bend over backwards and stay up all night helping you out, for free. There are many in here who will attest to that. But, if all you do is complain about how another distro is better, or why isn't debian easier to install, or why don't they improve the documentation, or why is woody so *old*, then, by all means, migrate to a different distribution and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, because the fact is that you have no right to make demands and the debian project doesn't really need you anyway. It's not like you're a paying customer. An aside: I find myself, having once been a bit taken aback by his forthrightness, often agreeing with Marc - but please *don't* tell anyone this, *especially him*. Heh. Marc often expresses what I (and I suspect many others) are thinking but don't wish to/dare to put into words, and then takes the heat for it, leaving the rest of us to look like nice guys. And for that, he gets my thanks. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:43:41 +0800, Katipo wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:59:43 -0500 Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Paul Morgan: You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti M$ remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and nose nailed shut. No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. My thanks for illustrating my point with your ridiculous post. Yes, Mr. Morgan. Regards, David. Well, I'm sorry, but he did and it was. Regards to you too :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt.debian.org server to compute dist-upgrade needs
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:53:13 +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: [Say] we can't do apt-get dist-upgrade over our puny modem. We must go to town to burn the files onto a CDROM and take them back to install it. Sure, we could do apt-get dist-upgrade --print-uris, or use apt-zip, but that creates a list that gets stale in the few days it takes us to get to town... we'll miss the latest upgrades. Therefore there should be an apt.debian.org web server to compute what we need on the spot. One would give it various detail about our machine, and a sources.list and e.g. dpkg --get-selections output... all of which we have taken to town. It would spit out a fetch list of URIs. OK, I suppose 99% of people are better connected than my scenario, and perhaps this is only applicable to the third world. I have been using debian for a number of years. I have done several installations from scratch as I have built new machines. I have done *all* installs over a 56K modem. I am currently running sarge. I keep my system up to date by running apt-get (usually dist-upgrade) on a daily basis. Apart from a couple of overnight marathons to get first the base system and then X installed, I usually see much less than 10MB of upgrades at any one time. In other words, rarely does a dist-upgrade take even 30 mins, unless something big (like OpenOffice) is upgraded. Unless you have a broken modem, or a noisy telephone line which results in very low negotiated connection speeds, it's really not a very big deal to keep a system up to date (or even do an install from scratch) over a standard dial up connection. The key is to run daily upgrades. I suppose that keeping a sid installation up to date would be more time consuming, though. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:08:40 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. I have successfully installed lmsensors, (using 2.2.23 and 2.4.24 kernels) and it works great, especially with gkrellm. Try this for starters: http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/lm_sensors-FAQ.html The first thing you should do is run sensors-detect to determine which modules you'll need. You'll have to install lm-sensors-source and compile the modules for your kernel. Anyway, it's all in the documentation at the site above. Although everything is in debian, so you should compile and install the debian way where that differs from the documentation. I didn't actually use the above link, I can't remember what I read (apart from the kernel source i2c docs. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt.debian.org server to compute dist-upgrade needs
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:23:28 +, James Tappin wrote: Could be expensive though, I remember when I was using dialup, about 1-hour/day connection at off-peak rates only cost only about £5 /month less than I currently pay for ADSL 24 hours /day at 10 times the data rate. James Hah, yes, back in Old Blighty one has to pay. Here in the US, local calls are free of charge. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:28:58 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. Thorsten Not by any means. It remains an excellent starter book for Unix beginners. And not just for beginners. I *still* use my aging and dog-eared copy on occasion. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:38:57 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 12:50): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:28:58 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. Not by any means. It remains an excellent starter book for Unix beginners. As long as he restricts himself to software twice as old as Linux. I use Linux for a couple of years now, and usually know my way around on various Unix systems. Most of the tools described in the book were unknown to me because they are no longer used by anyone. The tools are important however, they are the most important part of the Unix environment. So this book is useless. Perhaps you would care to either back up your statement with facts or withdraw it? Most of the tools? Which ones described in the book are no longer in use? ed? sed? grep? cat? awk? wc? echo? nice? yacc? make? lex? cc? date? Or perhaps you mean the Unix system calls or the C library? Or maybe I/O redirection, shell parameters, environment variables, shell while/for loops, here documents or conditional constructs are obsolete. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:16:33 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: Feh. While it may well work for you, who has clue, anyone who suggests to a cluebie that using Knoppix is a way to get Debian should be shot. Well a lot of new users like Knoppix and would like to have it on the hard disk. Is it ok for them to use it, or will the secret police come and shoot them for not using pure Debian instead too. Bijan It's not a question of the secret police. If someone wants to install knoppix, that's fine, it's a free country (well it is here anyway), go ahead and do it. But, be aware that knoppix is not debian (repeat: *knoppix* *is* *not* *debian*), so, if you're using a knoppix distro, a considerate practice would be to post to the knoppix mailing list(s). -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:23:37 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 16:37): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:38:57 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: I use Linux for a couple of years now, and usually know my way around on various Unix systems. Most of the tools described in the book were unknown to me because they are no longer used by anyone. The tools are important however, they are the most important part of the Unix environment. So this book is useless. Perhaps you would care to either back up your statement with facts or withdraw it? Most of the tools? Which ones described in the book are no longer in use? I'd love to, really, but I returned the book. I only remember that it was utterly irrelevant for me. Maybe it's not the tools themselves but the ancient versions discussed. Thorsten I have the book, I still use it, and I still find it very useful. It is a good book for beginners because it introduces basic concepts and tools (which work pretty much the same now as they did when the book was published). It's also worth owning (together with KR's The C Programming Language) because it's a little bit of history :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 15:04:21 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] Nano, I don't know anything about compiling the 2.6 kernel, I'm sticking with 2.4 series for now. The only problem I had with compiling the lmsensors modules was that there were two author-related macros which needed fixing for the stricter gcc 3.3.2 compiler. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian ... can't get it to install
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 07:36:35AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: KIND : Knoppix Is Not Debian KIND BUD: Knoppix Is Novice Distro Based Upon Debian :-) KIND POOR BUM: Knoppix Is Not Debian, Packages Often Original Release But Ultimately Mixed :D (this is hurting my brain) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel compilation woes
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:09:10 -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: I'm trying to compile my own 2.4.24 kernel using the sources from kernel.org and the .config from Sarge, and I'm getting some errors: # make-kpkg kernel_image compiling... if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map -b /usr/src/linux-2.4. 24/debian/tmp-image -r 2.4.24; fi depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o depmod: init_cmd640_vlb depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/net/wan/comx.o depmod: proc_get_inode make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24' make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24' # Anyone have any idea what could cause something like this? One suggestion: either use the Debian 2.4.24 kernel source, or ditch the config and make a new one. Debian kernel sources contain patches which may affect the config. Whether this specifically is your problem or not I don't know. I've never had problems compiling 2.4.* kernels from Debian source and configs, including 2.4.24. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:02:00 +0100, bruno doutriaux wrote: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host. could somebody help me. (i have some hints: the debian host is using gaim 0.75 which has security fails and i would like to also listen it with a trojan, is it possible on a debian?) I can help you. Go to the following link and fill out the email form, pasting your above request into the email body. As there are no specific fields for this, be sure to add to your request your vehicle description and license number, and, especially, where you can normally be located at 5 am your local time. The good people of the FBI will be delighted to arrange assistance for you. Even if you do not live in the US, some very nice people from an FBI partner will be happy to drop by and help you out. BTW, the link is called tips because it's where you get tips, such as the ones you are requesting. https://tips.fbi.gov/ -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re:Knoppix is Not Debian
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:28:03 +0100, David Baron wrote: [snip] Knoppix is a quick jumpstart into Linux for Novices, yes. One can also purchase Lindows or Xandro for similar results. After HD installation, this mailing list becomes the best source of advice. Knoppsters on their mailing list will tell you this as well. Well, sure. It's much easier to toss questions over the wall to debian-user and waste someone else's time rather than use one's own. Try asking a knoppix related question in #debian. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anti-virus software for Gnu/Linux
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:09:32 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On 2004-02-06, Paul Johnson penned: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: Hopefully Rick forgives the personal intrusion. If you consider getting an email from someone else on the net as a personal intrusion, you probably don't belong on the net. 8:o) I wasn't paying terribly close attention, but I think the intrusion was in quoting someone's private email without permission. Which reminds me of a good and useful rule: When writing an email, assume that it will be forwarded and possibly made public. E.g., if you say Jack screwed up the system due to sheer incompetency and it took me hours to fix it, bet on Jack receiving a copy. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian ... can't get it to install
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:05:37 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 10:59:04AM +0100, David Baron wrote: Try a knoppix CD (you can download the image and burn one yourself). Use this and in 15 minutes you have a fully configured Debian system. Painless. Apparently this bears repeating again and again and again, since clueless people refuse to get it No, in fifteen minutes, he will have a fully configured *Knoppix* system. Converting this system into Debian will not be painless. I was going to respond earlier, but I've tried to inform the OP previously that knoppix, although based on debian, does not correspond to a debian distro. Perhaps a new acronym is in order here: KIND : Knoppix Is Not Debian or DINK :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian ... can't get it to install
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 07:36:35 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: I was going to respond earlier, but I've tried to inform the OP previously Sorry, not the OP, I was confused by his unthreaded reply. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: viewing jpg files on text terminal
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:54:30 +0530, Gauri S Deshmukh wrote: hello all i am not a subscriber to the list. i hope this message gets posted. i also request you to mark a copy of your replies to me. i use debian 3.0. is there any program/ utility that will let me see jpg/ gif files on the text terminal? Gauri, a text terminal is a *text* terminal. The Linux GUI interface is X. So you need to be using a viewer in X. Linux is not like the old DOS OSes which ran programs which took over the video with their own custom device-specific driver coding. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turn Debian into a Desktop-System what to do
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 07:18:44 +0100, Alex Fitterling wrote: [snip] music, tex. that's it! So CAN i use it without logs?? why gentoo users can do and not debian? the packages depencies are almost everytime connected with unnecessary server stuff as I don't want use. I like to use my debian system as one would use M$ windows (they can!) exept the crashes or nowadays worms... If gentoo fits your requirements better (and it would seem that it does), then switch to gentoo. This is not meant as a put-down of any sort, but just a suggestion that you use the tool which best matches your requirements. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A letter for Mr. Darl McBride
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:44:34 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] I guess my point is we are a smart bunch of people and if we stay quiet we can have all we want and no one will bother us. That's all. I've seen bigger movements than this go down. Very elegantly put, Nano, my congratulations on your parable. My agreement, too :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unchecked 31 times
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:30:13 -0600, Will Trillich wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 03:56:25PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: My understanding is that lilo works off a system map which is created at installation and is sector based. So, as long as it can figure out where the kernel is physically placed at installation, it can map it. Then, when loading the kernel, it doesn't have to care about the filesystem. So the boot loader can be tiny. Grub is different. It has to grok the filesystem at boot time, so the boot loader is huge as a result. Oh, and lilo can boot off a RAID device. eh? is it possible to get woody to boot (after installing, and no luck there, yet) off of a raid? that would be awesome. i've got a 3ware setup, and 3w-.o is what's needed, which works fine under morphix, but i've not been able to preload the module under the woody install. (floppy 'driver' images won't mount, and i've tried about three different download sites to get them...) got pointers? I don't use RAID myself, but I would suggest looking though the howtos at tldp.org, I'm sure there must be something about booting off RAID. But I DO know that lilo can do this. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: viewing jpg files on text terminal
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:33:21 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: Gauri, a text terminal is a *text* terminal. The Linux GUI interface is X. So you need to be using a viewer in X. Linux is not like the old DOS OSes which ran programs which took over the video with their own custom device-specific driver coding. Please ignore my post, I am incorrect. Sorry. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mobo with fan controls
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:55:21 -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:27:57 -0600 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they can be turned off or down when not needed . . . PC Power Cooling ( maybe others) sells power-supply units with fans that vary speed according to the temperature in the box. I use an Antec PLUS1080AMG case with a 430W PS which works as you describe. It'a a lot quieter than my previous Enlight case, despite all the fans. A nice touch is a grille for a side panel fan, which blows onto the PCI slots. A great case if you have a few disks, etc. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mobo with fan controls
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:42:22 -0800, Day Brown wrote: One other reminder that PCs were designed for the corporate environment. People at home open the windows. And after being a home a few years, the fans have clogged the heat sinks with dust, and the system fries. I run with the hood off. Also take off the cover on the power supply, and threw away the fan. The passive heat dispersal keeps the power supply cooler, and it dont suck dust. If you dont like the way it looks, drape a doily or damask table cloth over it. I've been running this particular mobo and CPU now for over 2 years, and... no noticeable dust to speak of. And it's sitting on a carpeted floor. It's a simple matter to make filters for case fans and to install in such a way that there's always positive air pressure in the case. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choice of languages for debian system tool?
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:49:59 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: So, um, is there a way to list all packages that are in a particular section? My aptitude test must have been naive, but I'm not sure why. Other than my just-now reverse-engineered approach of trying the url http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/ , that is. Hey Monique, aptitude ~ssection e.g. aptitude ~sbase Searching is described in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choice of languages for debian system tool?
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:42:42 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 03:20:43PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: aptitude ~sbase aptitude search ~sbase Thank you, nano, I am an idiot. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 256-color xterm
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:15:45 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:09:09AM +, Colin Watson wrote: by hand; I expect that to be difficult for xfree86. There's nothing to ^ Oops; closing parenthesis goes -/ there. It's OK, Colin, your message won't fail compilation because you had an unmatched parenthesis. g -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ulimit, bash and ash
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:40:30 +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: I just noticed that in bash ulimit -u is the same as ash's ulimit -p, while bash has another meaning for ulimit -p ... This makes writing scripts quite difficult, I'd say you cannot then use ulimit in /bin/sh scripts, only in scripts specifically for bash or ash. Just a thought, posted in case anyone care to comment. If that's the case, you could always either (for example): Test the value of the SHELL environment variable and set the options as appropriate or Put #!/bin/bash or whatever as the first line in your shell script to ensure it gets executed by the appropriate shell. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ulimit, bash and ash
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:08:59 -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:40:30 +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: I just noticed that in bash ulimit -u is the same as ash's ulimit -p, while bash has another meaning for ulimit -p ... This makes writing scripts quite difficult, I'd say you cannot then use ulimit in /bin/sh scripts, only in scripts specifically for bash or ash. Just a thought, posted in case anyone care to comment. If that's the case, you could always either (for example): Test the value of the SHELL environment variable and set the options as appropriate or Put #!/bin/bash or whatever as the first line in your shell script to ensure it gets executed by the appropriate shell. Sorry, forget that second one, I'm having a dumb day. But testing the SHELL variable is an idea. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disregard post re: sound!
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:46:48 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Fine, drag my shame out into the light of day. You know that red line that goes through the speaker icon on the gnome panel? Yeah, apparently that means it's set to mute, and clicking it fixes the problem, and gets rid of the ugly line. Shocking, I know. Hey, Monique, if it makes you feel any better, a couple of weeks ago, IIRC, someone was asking about a sound problem in #debian IRC: it was working and now it isn't. Turned out the speaker lead had become disconnected. It's always the obvious things which we miss, not because we're morons, but because we're *too* *darn* *clever*. :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Derivative effects.
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:48:34 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: Also, he says that it runs on the PDP-11 and the Interdata 8/32, which contradicts my memory that it was developed on an earlier model DEC computer. But he does say that work on UNIX started in 1971. so maybe my memory is OK. IIRC, original development was on a DED PDP-7 with, I believe, paper tape and 4K of user memory, or core, as we used to call it :) Purpose of the original development was to play Space War. It was then ported to a PDP-11 which, I think had a whopping 16K or so of user memory, which might be the box to which he is referring. Humble beginnings, indeed! -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:49:26 +0100, Jan Minar wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:01:17PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: Here's another view of that data: What about this one?: | Country Aid(Billions) People(Millions) Dollars/Person | Australia 1 19.750.76 | Austria 0.5 8.1 61.73 | Belgium 1.1 10.2107.84 | Canada 2 32.262.11 | Denmark 1.6 5.3 301.89 | Finland 0.5 5.1 98.04 | France 5.2 60.186.52 | Germany 5.4 82.365.61 | Greece 0.3 10.628.30 | Ireland 0.4 3.9 102.56 | Italy 2.3 57.939.72 | Japan 9.2 127.2 72.33 | Luxembourg 0.1 0.4 250.00 | Netherlands 3.4 16.1211.18 | New Zealand 0.1 3.9 25.64 | Norway 1.7 4.5 377.78 | Portugal0.3 10.129.70 | Spain 1.6 40.239.80 | Sweden 1.8 8.8 204.55 | Switzerland 0.9 7.3 123.29 | U K 4.7 60 78.33 | USA 12.9290.3 44.44 As any person capable of reading can see, The US *are* the worst! Wow, yes, thanks for pointing that out. It must be me who is incapable of reading, because I had no idea, until I saw your post, that 44.44 39.8 or that 44.4 25.64, for instance. Must be the New Math. You ought to file bug reports against gcc, perl, bash etc., because they all think that it's the other way around. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel update
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:42:44 -0500, David Z Maze wrote: Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:56:13 +0100, knoppix wrote: Kernels work differently than other debian packages. Each kernel revision is a *different* package. So, do: apt-get update apt-cache search kernel-image apt-get install kernel-image-whatever Or even, 'aptitude', then within that, 'l kernel-image', pick one, '+', 'g', 'g'. Also, old kernels are never removed. To see what kernels you have hanging around, ls /boot To remove an old kernel (it won't silently remove your current kernel): dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-whatever Whoa, you passed a --force option to dpkg. You probably never ever want to do that. 'dpkg --purge kernel-image-2.4.18' should work fine (kernel packages generally aren't tagged essential). Or you can use '-' in aptitude to remove kernel image packages, just like anything else. Whoa - I originally got this information from Debian, so I just double-checked: The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ Chapter 9 - Debian and the kernel 9.5 Can I safely de-install an old kernel package, and if so, how? Yes. The kernel-image-NNN.prerm script checks to see whether the kernel you are currently running is the same as the kernel you are trying to de-install. Therefore you can remove unwanted kernel image packages using this command: dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-NNN (replace NNN with your kernel version and revision number, of course) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to disable IDE DMA on boot
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:11:39 +0200, Johannes Lehtinen wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:41:35AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:40:18 +0200, Johannes Lehtinen wrote: I have a problem disabling IDE DMA. I am trying to install Debian Sarge in to an old laptop and with DMA enabled (default) I keep getting DMA timeouts and retries from /dev/hda. The kernel image is 2.4.23-1-386 (2.4.23-1). You could turn it off with hdparm. That would be fine if it were not the hard disk drive that does not work with DMA enabled. Having the DMA enabled (as it is by default using this kernel) the laptop does not start up to the point where hdparm would be executed. Or well, it might if I would wait several hours for each read/write request to timeout :) So I need to disable the DMA right at boot. Usually this has been done by giving the kernel ide=nodma parameter but now with the modular kernel this does not appear to work. You don't say exactly where the problem starts. But I assume that you have checked to see if you can turn off DMA from the BIOS. Anyway, I did a bit of looking around and found these. The second one is interesting because it may offer a solution. In any case, you might want to try posting to debian-boot, maybe someone there has the definitive solution. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/debian-boot-200401/msg00794.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/debian-boot-200401/msg00279.html -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Derivative effects.
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:21:02 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. Well technically Unix was designed for mid-sized computers... And wasn't DOS designed for the workstation? The adaptation of DOS for personal use I associate with Windows 3.1, while OS/2 was a (object-oriented) GUI for the workstation. I kind'a miss DOS. Actually, I miss CP/M. I always thought that pip was a much better program name than copy :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Perens talks to BBC
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:46:13 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: Thank you Collin. Beautiful reading. Scary. To think that so many of the statements made in science fiction have come through, to know how dark life can be made to be on the surface of this ball, or on the surface of the other near hovering balls. Already some are talking about colonizing Mars. The resources to be spent in making a basically dead ball habitable are much larger than the resources needed to fix the problems of this already habitable ball. They know it. They know how to weigh their purses. Thus, they are not interested in doing it for the good of humanity, but for the purpose of acquiring another post to control. Buzzards well know that from the heights is easier to attack and capture. Humans are built to satisfy innate curiosity, which gives rise to the desire to find out how things work and build new things, especially if it seems difficult, or, even better, impossible. Of course, the miserable state of many of our fellow earthlings is deplorable, no one can argue against that, but it is important to follow more than one thread. What if Sir Isaac Newton had devoted his life to feeding the poor, and there was no Principia Mathematica, for instance? Oh, and NASA operates within a democracy, and is funded by, a democratic government. In a democracy, it's not they. It's we. And I have difficulty picturing the good voting citizens of the USA as buzzards. Not to mention the fact that the US is following more than one thread by being by far the largest donor of aid to poorer nations, and, together with the UK, is in the forefront of the battle to gain others the right to live in peace and freedom. I have recently found it interesting that those who decry human rights abuses are also frequently those who are critical of US/UK efforts to remove the perpetrators of those dreadful abuses. On the other hand, there are not a lot of Iraqis praying for the return of Saddam, nor are there many Afghanis eagerly awaiting the resurgence of the Taliban; but there are large numbers in both nations grateful for the efforts of their liberators. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to disable IDE DMA on boot
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:40:18 +0200, Johannes Lehtinen wrote: Hello, I have a problem disabling IDE DMA. I am trying to install Debian Sarge in to an old laptop and with DMA enabled (default) I keep getting DMA timeouts and retries from /dev/hda. The kernel image is 2.4.23-1-386 (2.4.23-1). You could turn it off with hdparm. If the file /etc/init.d/hdparm exists on your system then you can edit /etc/hdparm.conf to have the script change drive parameters. If not, then you can put a script in /etc/init.d and link it into /etc/rcS.d (by hand or by using update-rc.d) References: man hdparm Debian Policy Manual section 9.3 man update-rc.d -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel update
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:56:13 +0100, knoppix wrote: Hi is apt-get update kernel-2.6 enough to upgrade the kernel ? Kernels work differently than other debian packages. Each kernel revision is a *different* package. So, do: apt-get update apt-cache search kernel-image apt-get install kernel-image-whatever That will install a new kernel. I don't know your setup, but if you are using the standard setup, then IIRC the post install script will ask you questions and link your new kernel to /vmlinuz and your old (current) one to /vmlinuz-old (I *think* - I build and install my kernels by hand, so it's a while since I've seen the script run). If you are using lilo ***don't forget to run it*** Also, old kernels are never removed. To see what kernels you have hanging around, ls /boot To remove an old kernel (it won't silently remove your current kernel): dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-whatever You can derive the kernel image name from the kernel executable in /boot like this: vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-k7 is kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME 2.4 for Sarge...when?
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:14 +0100, Jaume Alonso wrote: Paul Morgan wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05:24 +0100, Jaume Alonso wrote: I'm a newbie in debian. I'm currently using Sarge. When will I be able to install the new GNOME 2.4?? You can do it right now, you just have to do it in bits and pieces. apt-cache search is your friend (look for the gnome2 packages). Here's a list of some packages which I have installed on sarge. The libs will get picked up as dependencies: gconf22.4.0.1-3 GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools, for GNOME2) gdm 2.4.1.7-1 GNOME Display Manager gnome-control-center 2.4.0-4The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2 gnome-desktop-data2.4.1-4Common files for GNOME 2 desktop apps gnome-gv 2.4.0.2-2 GNOME PostScript viewer gnome-mime-data 2.4.1-1base MIME and Application database for GNOME. gnome-panel 2.4.1-6Launch and/or dock GNOME 2 applications gnome-panel-data 2.4.1-6Common files for GNOME 2 panel gnome-session 2.4.1-2The GNOME 2 Session Manager gnome-system-monitor 2.4.0-1Process viewer and system resource monitor for GNOME 2 gnome-terminal2.4.2-1The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application gnome-themes 2.4.1-2GNOME 2 Desktop themes gnome-themes-common 2.4.1-2GNOME 2 Desktop themes - common files gnome2-user-guide 2.4.1-1GNOME 2 User's Guide yelp 2.4.1-2Help browser for GNOME 2 I did what you said and now, when I start GNOME, it doesn't appear the desktop and when I click it appears a green menu, with Debian, Show Icon manager, Hide Icon Manager and Exit. How can I have the GNOME 2 working well?? I didn't mean to *tell* you exactly what to do, I just pointed out that it was possible to install Gnome 2.4 in pieces, which is what I did, and listed *some* of my installed packages by way of example. The list is incomplete. Perhaps you should back out the packages you installed and wait for the metapackage. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rescue floppies
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:04:20 -0200, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: Hello, I want to make a rescue floppy set for my woody system. Where should I look for information? The Rescue Floppy section of the Installing manual doesn't help... man mkrescue -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partition size discrepancy df v parted/cfdisk
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:05:01 +, Clive Menzies wrote: Hi List I've just reorganised the partitions on a second (Seagate) drive in a dual booting Dell Dimension XPS T500 to give more room to /usr (to upgrade from woody to sid). The partitions I messed with were /home, /usr and two swap. /home was 35 Gb and /usr 1Gb Using parted I deleted home and created a new 5GB /usr partition and 30Gb /home. Once I'd amended fstab and copied the /usr file across, I deleted the old /usr and one swap partition to create a new bigger swap partition and increased the remaining swap partition. All worked fine and I've subsequently upgraded to sid and everything is back as it should be. However, df -h gives (showing /usr as 1Gb): /dev/hdb2 92M 41M 47M 47% / /dev/hdb9 958M 564M 346M 63% /usr /dev/hdb6 958M 147M 763M 17% /var /dev/hdb7 958M 80K 909M 1% /tmp /dev/hdb10 29G 32M 28G 1% /home tmpfs 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm whereas parted shows /usr (9) as about 5Gb: 2 0.031 94.130 primary ext2 1 94.131 76316.594 extended lba 5 94.162651.071 logical linux-swap 11 651.103 1427.651 logical linux-swap 6 1427.682 2400.336 logical ext2 7 2400.368 3373.022 logical ext2 9 3373.053 8424.711 logical ext2 10 8424.743 38421.079 logical ext2 8 38421.110 76316.594 logical fat32 and cfdisk also shows 5GB: hdb2 Primary Linux ext2 98.71 hdb5 Logical Linux swap 584.00 hdb11Logical Linux swap 814.31 hdb6 Logical Linux ext2 1019.94 hdb7 Logical Linux ext2 1019.94 hdb9 Logical Linux ext2 5297.09 hdb10Logical Linux ext2 31453.48 hdb8 Logical W95 FAT32 39736.33 Any ideas? fsdisk and parted are showing the partiton size, whereas df is showing the *filesystem* size. You don't say how you copied the /usr file across, but what you should have done is: Use mke2fs to create the filesystem on /dev/hdb9, e.g.: mke2fs /dev/hdb9 Then you should have mounted the new filesystem, used cp to copy the current /usr to it, then changed /etc/fstab to reflect the new /usr and rebooted, or umounted the old /usr and mounted the new one, e.g.: mkdir /tmp/usr (or /mnt/usr if you prefer) mount /dev/hdb9 /tmp/usr cp -ax /usr /tmp umount /tmp/usr umount /usr mount /dev/hdb9 /usr change the /etc/fstab also It seems that you probably didn't do that, and somehow copied the old filesystem as a whole onto the new partition (keeping the old filesystem's size and wasting all the rest of the partition). Check out ext2resize man page to fix. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME 2.4 for Sarge...when?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05:24 +0100, Jaume Alonso wrote: I'm a newbie in debian. I'm currently using Sarge. When will I be able to install the new GNOME 2.4?? You can do it right now, you just have to do it in bits and pieces. apt-cache search is your friend (look for the gnome2 packages). Here's a list of some packages which I have installed on sarge. The libs will get picked up as dependencies: gconf22.4.0.1-3 GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools, for GNOME2) gdm 2.4.1.7-1 GNOME Display Manager gnome-control-center 2.4.0-4The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2 gnome-desktop-data2.4.1-4Common files for GNOME 2 desktop apps gnome-gv 2.4.0.2-2 GNOME PostScript viewer gnome-mime-data 2.4.1-1base MIME and Application database for GNOME. gnome-panel 2.4.1-6Launch and/or dock GNOME 2 applications gnome-panel-data 2.4.1-6Common files for GNOME 2 panel gnome-session 2.4.1-2The GNOME 2 Session Manager gnome-system-monitor 2.4.0-1Process viewer and system resource monitor for GNOME 2 gnome-terminal2.4.2-1The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application gnome-themes 2.4.1-2GNOME 2 Desktop themes gnome-themes-common 2.4.1-2GNOME 2 Desktop themes - common files gnome2-user-guide 2.4.1-1GNOME 2 User's Guide yelp 2.4.1-2Help browser for GNOME 2 -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Versions
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:36:38 -0600, Kent West wrote: M.Kirchhoff wrote: If you want the newest software available, Sid/Unstable is where you want to be. `Unstable` is a misleading term; really, it's more `volatile` than unstable, that is, packages move into Sid/Unstable constantly, so the environment is in a constant state of flux, That's an excellent name. I've had problems explaining to others at times that unstable does not mean what they think it means. I wonder what it'd take to get an official name change in Debian from unstable to volatile, and perhaps more importantly, is it even a good idea to consider? Given the number of people I've seen recommending unstable to relative newbies for use in desktops, I think the name should be changed to: when-it-breaks-I-get-to-keep-both-pieces to give them a hint of what they might be getting into :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remove package configure options
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:39:52 -0800, Ian Neubert wrote: I just installed bugzilla with `apt-get install bugzilla`. I set some of the congiuration settings wrong when it ran the configure part of the deb package. I then ran `apt-get remove bugzilla`, and `dpkg -P bugzilla`. But now, when I try to `apt-get install bugzilla` it doesn't prompt me for the configure settings. How do I remove the configure settings from the package? Where are they stored and why don't they get removed when I `dpkg -P bugzilla`? Probably because you already removed the package with apt-get, so dpkg didn't have an installed package to purge. apt-get install bugzilla # so you can then purge it apt-get --purge remove bugzilla # purge it apt-get install bugzilla # install it or, alternatively, you could probably just run dpkg-reconfigure bugzilla -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partitions
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:52:47 -0500, Jose Peralta Ramirez wrote: i have 2 hard disks drives in my computer, one have fat32 an windows98, the other has four partitions, one NTFS, other with fat32, and with windows XP in the NTFS partition, other with SWAP and othe with EXT3 and with linux in the ext3 partition. what should i do to use the partition NTFS and FAT32 when i boot wiht linux ? can i do that ? should i reinstall linux with FAT32 or NTFS and not with ext3 ? man mount man fstab will tell you how. Here are a couple of examples from my own /etc/fstab, the first being an XP NTFS partition and the second a fat32 partition: /dev/hdb1 /media/xp/c ntfsdefaults,ro,user,noauto,uid=paul,gid=paul 0 0 /dev/hdb2 /media/xp/share vfatdefaults,user,uid=paul,gid=paul 0 0 -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partition size discrepancy df v parted/cfdisk
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:57:44 +, Clive Menzies wrote: On (22/01/04 14:31), Paul Morgan wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:05:01 +, Clive Menzies wrote: I've just reorganised the partitions on a second (Seagate) drive in a dual booting Dell Dimension XPS T500 to give more room to /usr (to upgrade from woody to sid). The partitions I messed with were /home, /usr and two swap. /home was 35 Gb and /usr 1Gb Using parted I deleted home and created a new 5GB /usr partition and 30Gb /home. Once I'd amended fstab and copied the /usr file across, I deleted the old /usr and one swap partition to create a new bigger swap partition and increased the remaining swap partition. All worked fine and I've subsequently upgraded to sid and everything is back as it should be. However, df -h gives (showing /usr as 1Gb): /dev/hdb2 92M 41M 47M 47% / /dev/hdb9 958M 564M 346M 63% /usr /dev/hdb6 958M 147M 763M 17% /var /dev/hdb7 958M 80K 909M 1% /tmp /dev/hdb10 29G 32M 28G 1% /home tmpfs 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm whereas parted shows /usr (9) as about 5Gb: 2 0.031 94.130 primary ext2 1 94.131 76316.594 extended lba 5 94.162651.071 logical linux-swap 11 651.103 1427.651 logical linux-swap 6 1427.682 2400.336 logical ext2 7 2400.368 3373.022 logical ext2 9 3373.053 8424.711 logical ext2 10 8424.743 38421.079 logical ext2 8 38421.110 76316.594 logical fat32 and cfdisk also shows 5GB: hdb2 Primary Linux ext2 98.71 hdb5 Logical Linux swap 584.00 hdb11Logical Linux swap 814.31 hdb6 Logical Linux ext2 1019.94 hdb7 Logical Linux ext2 1019.94 hdb9 Logical Linux ext2 5297.09 hdb10Logical Linux ext2 31453.48 hdb8 Logical W95 FAT32 39736.33 Any ideas? fsdisk and parted are showing the partiton size, whereas df is showing the *filesystem* size. You don't say how you copied the /usr file across, but what you should have done is: Use mke2fs to create the filesystem on /dev/hdb9, e.g.: mke2fs /dev/hdb9 Then you should have mounted the new filesystem, used cp to copy the current /usr to it, then changed /etc/fstab to reflect the new /usr and rebooted, or umounted the old /usr and mounted the new one, e.g.: mkdir /tmp/usr (or /mnt/usr if you prefer) mount /dev/hdb9 /tmp/usr cp -ax /usr /tmp umount /tmp/usr umount /usr mount /dev/hdb9 /usr change the /etc/fstab also It seems that you probably didn't do that, and somehow copied the old filesystem as a whole onto the new partition (keeping the old filesystem's size and wasting all the rest of the partition). Check out ext2resize man page to fix. Brilliant! ;) Thanks Paul for a great explanation. I used rsync -opg to copy the /usr files across thinks must read man pages prior to significant tasks/thinks Tomorrow, I will dutifully read ext2resize man page and fix it. Reading the parted user manual suggests that parted resize could also be used to fix it? Thanks again ;) I presume you're across the pond - do you get to vote? Clive, Just ext2resize /dev/hdb9 should do the trick. Yes, I'm a Welsh expat living in Kissimmee, Florida. And no, I don't get to vote: I'm still a British citizen, a permanent resident alien. My wife, however, is a Kentucky girl, so she votes for the both of us, so to speak :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: global variables in shared libraries
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:13:07 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Hi there, Please excuse the OTness of this post. Since I am writing a library to be included in Debian, I feel that I should not be slaughtered for bothering you and hoping for your time and knowledge. It wouldn't be OT if you posted it in debian-devel :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Semi-Old Video Card Recommendation
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:30:39 +, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:41:59AM +0800, Ryan Mackay wrote: If you dont choose this chipset i would suggest sticking with nVidia none the less, they do support Linux (or Xwindows should i say) alot more/better than other companies. Hmm, I'm constantly advising people NOT to buy nVidia stuff because they are LESS Free-software friendly than other companies. They may provide Linux drivers but they are binary-only. No source code or hardware specs are available, so you're really in the same boat as you are with Windoze. For example, http://dri.sourceforge.net/dri_status.phtml lists plenty of ATI support: ATI Supported Chipsets * Mach64 (Rage Pro) * Rage 128 (Standard, Pro, Mobility) * Radeons up to R9200 are supported Important Notes * The Radeon naming scheme explained. * For Radeon PCI support see the FAQ * Rage Fury Maxx is NOT supported by the DRI. * The Mach64 (Rage Pro) is undergoing heavy development. To see if your card is supported check Leif's status page. * The Radeon seems to have problems with certain early VIA chipsets. Your best bet is to try and see if it works. Example Graphics Cards * Rage Fury * Rage Magnum * Xpert 2000 * Xpert 128 * Xpert 99 * All-in-Wonder 128 but when it comes to NVidia, all we get is: NVidia NVidia provides their own closed source, binary drivers. Hardware specs are not available to the DRI developers and NVidia cards are therefore not supported by the DRI. ATI may only release their hardware specs to developers under NDA but that's a lot better than not releasing them at all. At least we get ATI source code. I'm using ATI Xpert 2000 64MB on a 1600x1200 monitor, no problems whatsoever, no need to get non-debian drivers, has all worked great for the last two years, very happy with it. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian dedicated hosting
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:42:26 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks! I'm looking for a dedicated server supporting Debian, without paying through the nose for a custom installation. I'm with aktiom.net. I've been very pleased with their service after a few months. No affiliation etc... They are virtual servers, but that doesn't limit what I need to do. www.aktiom.net for details. Although I wasn't the OP, I checked out all the suggestions so far, and aktiom.net seems far and away the best, thanks :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:13:11 +0100, kegwasher wrote: Help. I seem to have developed a problem during my update. The mirror selected must be overwhelmed or just slow. My update time remaining is swinging from 7hrs to 4days! Is is possible to stop and restart without causing a mess? Relatively familiar with Linux, used since 94, but this is my first machine to play with debian. So far very impressed with debian overall. details of machine. hardware, box stock toshiba tecra8000 laptop of 400mhz PII fame. neomagic video opl3sa2 audio 64megs ram, yah I know it is not much but it runs most things fine. 6gig HD removable CDrom, floppy or LS-120 Current Os, Debian woody, attempted final OS, Debian Sarge. only added packages are opera, openoffice, flash plugin, java, and realplayer. You don't say how you're connecting, but I guess it might be dialup and you have a noisy line with lots of retries or your modem's negotiated a slow speed or both. It's OK to just control-C the update to kill it. Suggest you redial and try again (just run apt-get update again and it'll pick up where it left off). -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition mounted as ext3
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:00:55 +, Pigeon wrote: Like I said, running mount will tell you how the FS is mounted. It does not echo what is in /etc/fstab. When it mounts an FS, it writes an entry in /etc/mtab describing the mount. Of course it's going to look similar to the fstab entry because the fstab entry tells it how it should be mounted! /proc/self/mounts might be useful, too? The OP wanted to see with which journaling option an ext3 FS is mounted. You can't get that from the /proc lists. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation and Usability
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:02:30 -0300, Cristian Gutierrez wrote: This seems to be partly due to the nature of issues' contexts. You have trouble with XFree, then you post relevant parts of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /var/log/XFree86.0.log (you are usually specifically asked for this files). You find a glitch in MSW, and there you go trying to describe the click-path that triggers it, the un-copy-pasteable error messages in some dialog boxes, the possibly missing display elements, etc. Some of the questions and answers in MSW-related forums and newsgroups involve a lot of imagination regarding to screen navigation and iconography. In Linux(should I say Unix?)-land almost anything is a cut-n-paste away. Not to mention that it ain't easy for your local guru to ssh-in and medicate your system :-) I agree with you on everything except one point: it is easy to remote login to an XP box (if it's set up to allow it). -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition mounted as ext3
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:39:14 +, Faheem Mitha wrote: On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:00:51 -0500, Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running mount, as you suggest, will tell you with which options the FS was mounted, including the journaling mode. It just seems to echo what is in /etc/fstab. I wanted something which actually went and checked the partitions. BTW, I was under the impression that it was necessary to specify the mounting of root (/) at boot time, in the grub menu or some such, rather than /etc/fstab. I was just looking at stuff which suggested this may not be necessary. Can anyone point me to a definitive reference on this? Like I said, running mount will tell you how the FS is mounted. It does not echo what is in /etc/fstab. When it mounts an FS, it writes an entry in /etc/mtab describing the mount. Of course it's going to look similar to the fstab entry because the fstab entry tells it how it should be mounted! This is all written up in the mount man page. With regard to booting: if you don't specify the root filesystem at boot time, how is the OS going to find it? There is, apparently a default for the root filesystem compiled into the kernel - I don't know what it is, but I bet it's probably not very useful. /etc/fstab is used in an init script to mount the root FS ro for checking, and to then remount it rw. For more info: man boot man bootparams man init scripts in /etc/rcS.d (esp. S10checkroot.sh) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help: New kernel image, boot trashed
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:18:21 +0200, David Baron wrote: In the continuing attempt to get my ext3 active, following instructions in the Debian Reference, I apt-got a new kernel image (so I took the 2.24-1 version, i686-smp. This installs demanding and initrd. I edited lilo config with an /image option to use this new image and the initrd.img-... created by the install (the journal and ext2 and ext3) in the mkinitrd modules file. I never got to try it out! Instead of the menu presenting my old and new images, I get L 99 99 99 99 and after a bunch of 99's, nothing. What did I do wrong. I can get into the system with the Knoppix CD--how do I fix it? man lilo ...will tell you that 99 is invalid second stage index sector (LILO)... I suspect that you didn't run lilo after making your changes to /etc/lilo.conf. The simplified rule is: whenever you make changes to your /etc/lilo.conf, or to your /boot directory, or wherever you keep the kernel images, you need to rerun lilo. This is because lilo builds a map of where everything it needs resides on the physical disk: that way, it doesn't have to grok filesystems at boot time, because it reads physical disk sectors. I think that there is more than one recent thread in here on how to fix it using knoppix, or, for immediate help, ask in the debian IRC channel. It's actually a bit easier to fix with a debian rescue floppy; if you have one, you enter rescue root=/dev/... (substituting your root device, of course) at the boot prompt, and then you can run lilo. (This is IIRC, it's been weeks since I last forgot to run lilo, ha ha.) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:36:01 -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Brett Carrington wrote: That is not too difficult. The [U.S.] military (and others, I'm sure) use wide-band recorders for some applications (not sure what, as it is not my field of expertise). Essentially, they record onto 1 or wider tape and capture huge parts of the spectrum. Later, the play the tape back and tune specific freqs to get what they want. However, I'm sure the equipment is not cheap. I suspect that the BBC monitoring folks at Caversham might do something similar, only with a specific set, or sets, of frequencies. A quick search of the bbc web site gave only this, but I'm sure there's a lot more info on the BBC Monitoring Service if anyone cares to dig for it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/milestones/1980s.html Active steerable high frequency receiving array installed at Crowsley Park near Caversham for the BBC Monitoring Service. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Floppy installation
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:04:10 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 08:26:03PM +0100, peter a wrote: But that would only work with the so far unstable Sarge-release? As this is a server install I would prefer a stable release.. or is it possible to use the installer too boot a Woody installation? I believe the Skolelinux people use d-i to install woody, so I think it's possible, although I've never tried it myself. Skolelinux is such a cool idea and project. What a nice bunch of people debianers are. If anyone is curious: http://developer.skolelinux.no/ -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is swen back?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:18:09 +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: Got 200 plus mail bombs in my pop3 account this morning. Luckily I used Kmail and filtered (deleted) every incoming message of size greater than 40Kb. Just wondering, is swen back from holiday? How you people managing? I've been getting over a dozen a day for the last couple of months :( Most are undeliverable mail messages of one sort or another, with the occasional Microsoft Security Update thrown in. At least my ISP's virus scanning software removes the payloads. I am, perversely, relieved to see your post. I was beginning to think that it was just me. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition mounted as ext3
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:43:51 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On 2004-01-19, Paul Morgan penned: With regard to booting: if you don't specify the root filesystem at boot time, how is the OS going to find it? There is, apparently a default for the root filesystem compiled into the kernel - I don't know what it is, but I bet it's probably not very useful. You can specify auto for the root type. It's not recommended, but it's possible. I have auto specified in my fstab -- I'm not sure what I was thinking when I did it, but it works and mounts the partition as ext3, based on the fact that my logs indicate that journalling was activated for the partition. I wasn't talking about the type but the device. Apparently there's a default device compiled into the kernel according to the bootparam manpage, `root=...' section. Now I read it again, it seems to indicate that if one builds one's own kernel, the default is the root device of the system it was built on, so, theoretically, one shouldn't need the root= parameter. I'll have to try that out. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition mounted as ext3
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:22:42 -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: As to why revert to ext2, after conversion to ext3 and serveral other changes, the hard disk stays on all the time. I'm trying to figure out why. Anyone know how to safely convert an ext3 FS to ext2? A quick google (hint, hint) turns up this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200302/msg02782.html -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition mounted as ext3
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:51:28 -0700, Doug Holland wrote: On Sun 18 Jan 2004 1:16 pm, Faheem Mitha wrote: Dear People, Just wondering if anyone knows of a easy and definitive way to determine whether a specific mounted partition is ext2 or ext3, and if ext3, whether is mounted as ordered data or journal. Currently, I look at the boot messages, but they are not always clear. Thanks in advance. Faheem. Run mount at the command line, with no arguments, and it'll tell you which filesystems are mounted with which fs types. I'm not sure how to tell which mode an ext3 partition is using, though I think running fsck may tell you. Running mount, as you suggest, will tell you with which options the FS was mounted, including the journaling mode. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking whether partition is mounted ext3
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:34:17 +0100, David Baron wrote: cat /proc/mounts mount command and /etc/mtab contents simply parrot what is in /etc/fstab. The OP wanted to see also what ext3 journal option is in effect. You can't see that in /proc/mounts, so the mount command would be the way to go. # egrep 'lvvtmp|lvusr' /proc/mounts /dev/vgtmp/lvvtmp /var/tmp ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/vgusr/lvusr /usr ext3 rw 0 0 # mount | egrep 'lvvtmp|lvusr' /dev/vgtmp/lvvtmp on /var/tmp type ext3 (rw,data=writeback) /dev/vgusr/lvusr on /usr type ext3 (rw,data=journal) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation and Usability
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:32:49 -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: Paul Morgan wrote: On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:18:50 -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: So you would wish, for instance, to deprive me of a package which I can understand and use simply because the documentation is not adequate enough for you, or for somebody non-me, anyway? Yes, because otherwise a value judgement is imposed on the potential users' level of competence. Wouldn't you like to have the opportunity to use something you just heard of? Under these qualifications, only those in possesion of the required knowledge would be able to use it. I find your reply more than a bit bizarre. If *you* can't understand something, then *I'm not allowed access to it. That is a stunningly selfish attitude. Hopefully, you understand how to drive and I can therefore keep my car. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation and Usability
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:37:27 -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: The obvious solution to this quandry, would be to put the URL in the man page if the page applied to that implementation. Shouldn't that be easy to do? (but it does leave out those poor unfortunates that do not have internet access for whatever reason, say power loss, stupid security features, too broke, etc. I love the Road Runner help desk when I can't connect, they tell me to access the web site if I need help!) I do not know how to use cable internet access, so everyone please immediately stop using it until I have obtained it together with documentation which I regard as suitable. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and kernel 2.6.1
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:51:22 -0800, Phillipus Gunawan wrote: Hi there, How to compile kernel 2.6.1 in Debian way? Can somebody point me at a good doco? What are the requirements to install kernel 2.6.1? The gcc, etc? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html also, I found this to be helpful: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation and Usability
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:18:50 -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: I think my point would be closer to not allowing a package on-board without adaqate instruction on what it was and how to use it. Where is the value of providing a widget to a customer without giving them a clue as to what the widget is or what to do with it. So you would wish, for instance, to deprive me of a package which I can understand and use simply because the documentation is not adequate enough for you, or for somebody non-me, anyway? Heck, if I need it, I'll use what I can figure out, even if I have to go to the source code to understand some of it. I think that the only criterion should be that a package doesn't break the system. Nearly every package is freely given by someone who has donated a great deal of time and skill to get it up and running. To complain about the documentation is what is known as looking a gift horse in the mouth. Oh, and you *aren't* a customer, any more than any of us are. A customer is someone who pays for goods and services. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian TAKEOVER script
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:22:59 -0800, Cloids wrote: I am trying to the Debian Takeover Script (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/debian-devel-200401/msg00313.html) Wehn I execute the script, I get this error: ./debian: line 200: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' ./debian: line 200: `sed -e 's:^/::' $WORKDIR/debianize-exclude.list ' It's because the shell was expecting to find a target for the output redirection operator and encountered a newline instead. I would suggest that you post to debian-devel, from where you got the script, or contact Guillem directly, particularly as he says, Patches, suggestions, doubts, comments and success or failure stories welcome. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:54 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for the purposes of labs, tests, etc. As illustrated by the previous sentence, I'm an emacs user. :) I'm not happy about it, but I'm not against learning vi in the event that some day I am banished to a hell where there is no emacs. :) The other problem, however, is what the subject deals with. Firstly, you are not going to make many friends by dissing what many long-time Unix programmers regard as the best test editor going. So you can pretty much assume, as a result, that at least 50% of vi geeks are not going to be prepared to help you out, including me. We're going to be working on Fedora systems. What's sickening, is that the reason I was given for using Fedora was because it was 'free' since we have a CONTRACT with Red Hat. Apparently, free as in speech Debian isn't free enough for them? :) While I have gotten permission from the professor to use my laptop (with Debian on it) for the class, I'll still be responsible for knowing the Fedora way of doing things for purposes of the hands-on midterm and final. If one of the objectives of the class is to work with a Fedora system, then the only thing that's sickening, as far as I can see, is that you consider your opinion on Linux distributions to be more correct than your professor's, even if it may disadvantage you in the class. So, with all of that said, what can I expect in the way of differences. I have already confirmed with him that any and all GUI tools will NOT be used for any labs. (i.e. all installation and configuration will be text-only, with config files to be edited by hand) I know, for example, that the default document path in RH systems is /usr/doc while in Debian it's /usr/share/doc. What other things like this should I look out for? Can I still expect all config files to be in /etc, does RH use /etc/init.d/ and friends, etc. Any and all tips are welcome. TIA. You expect the good people of this list to spend a not inconsiderable amount of time to help you out for free, simply because you are too stubborn to meet your own class requirements? Try asking on a RedHat list. Then you can piss off both vi users and RH admins all at the same time. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If a computer is sold with preinstalled SUSE, shouldn't it work with Debian?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:57 -0500, alex wrote: If a computer works with a preinstalled SUSE system and doesn't have an installed MS Windows system, what problems can be expected with adding and running additional systems like Debian and a MS Windows if the hard drive is properly partitioned? Depending on which Windows you are installing, it may take some thought to get it booting OK - make sure, if it's NT-based, that you understand boot.ini and you have a bootable floppy with a boot.ini editor on it just in case. But I'm running XP and debian sarge OK together with lilo as the boot loader. And I've moved my XP partitions around several disks without ever having to either reinstall anything or rewire the drives, so there's no decrease in reconfiguration flexibility. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:47:56 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: Obviously, for tech stuff, the internet is authoritative. And there should be travel brochures and fan sites on the internet. But I would much rather googling for Stonehenge returned 27 hits comprising thousands of printed pages of meaty, well-established and respected literature, than the way the internet *currently* is. You can get that. You could research at the British Museum, for example. What you really want is everything for free, and you can't reasonably expect people to give away the copyrighted product of their hard work to freeloaders. If you really seriously want to research Stonehenge on the Web, then quit whining and get your credit card out. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard Drive Problems
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:42:43 -0500, Brad Cramer wrote:
I am running Sid with 2 matching 40gig drives. Everything has been running
great until I get this message when going and apt-get upgrade:
hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=97055,
sector=96984
hdc is primary master on ide2
here is output of hdparm:
/dev/hdc:
multcount= 16 (on)
IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq= 1 (on)
using_dma= 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead= 8 (on)
geometry = 4865/255/63, sectors = 78165360, start = 0
It is formatted with ReiserFS and the problem seems to be /dev/hdc1 it is
trying to write to /etc which is hdc1 and this is mounted as /
Could this be a drive going bad or can I fix this with with some software
programs? If it is a drive going bad what would be the best and easiest way
to clone the drive onto another drive it will probably be a bigger drive. I
have used Norton Ghost 2003 with Windows before but does it work with Linux
and ReiserFS?
Thanks for any help/
Brad
It's a drive going bad, I suspect. Use the drive as little as possible
and copy everything off it onto another drive or a backup medium *right
now*.. I suggest using cp -ax' because some sectors may be unreadable,
which won't stop cp, but it will emit the names of files which it couldn't
copy, so you will then have a list of what needs restoring or fixing.
--
paul
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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:08:33 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:11:55PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: Firstly, you are not going to make many friends by dissing what many long-time Unix programmers regard as the best test editor going. So you can pretty much assume, as a result, that at least 50% of vi geeks are not going to be prepared to help you out, including me. That's a very bizarre attitude. I would understand it if you *wrote* vi, but how can someone else saying I like emacs a lot personally offend you, because you like vi instead? It's nuts. Evidently you completely misunderstood my reply. Your problem, not mine. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:07:48 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: See above reference to proper usage of the 'find' command. It really comes in handy in situations like this. :) - Once again. Smiley. Joke. Ha ha. Funny. Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseaum. Need I go on? :) I owe you an apology. I shouldn't have written or posted my somewhat mean-spirited reply. In my defense, I have had a very trying and worrying few days. Nevertheless, I need to keep my attitude out of here. I withdraw what I said and apologize unreservedly, both to you and to the other list inhabitants who had to read my remarks. I will try to confine my posts in the future to either questions or helpful answers. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian pwd
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:37:57 +0100, Arkel wrote: hello guys does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not supposed to You could try buying the SA a hooker. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:38 -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. I am *so* glad that you posted this. So much nonsense is talked about the Druids, and me being Welsh and they being my forebears, I get probably more irritated than most. Oh, and, don't believe what Caesar wrote in De Bello Gallico anyway. It's not really a history; his motivation was political in writing a self-aggrandizing set of stories about himself, and to provide excuses for his failures, like twice getting his ass kicked out of Britain, by portraying his enemies, in this case the British people and Druids, as conducting unpleasant rituals such as wholesale human sacrifice, when,as far as I am aware, there is no evidence that such practices took place. I'm no history scholar, just my personal opinion. I am basing my remarks on memory of Julius Caesar's writing. I do not have a very high opinion of Julius Caesar, as is probably obvious. It's a shame that his assassination did not re-establish the Republic. Thanks again, though, for your remarks, very heartening to know that not everybody falls for the modern Druid idiocy. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED: help! - how to get postgres 7.3 back
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 02:14:14 +, Oliver Elphick wrote: On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 09:27, Paul Morgan wrote: I've been following this thread with interest, being a user of postgreql 7.3.4 on sarge, as the upgrade will be heading my way soon. I did wonder why the postinstall on your first upgrade didn't either do the DB upgrade or at least warn you what was about to happen. Yet it did apparently do it on the second upgrade. I find that a bit confusing. But at least your problem has forewarned me. The recent upgrade to 7.4.1 has seen problems in the automatic upgrade which are connected to the manner in which upgrading is done. Oliver, Thanks for your patient and lucid explanation, much appreciated. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED: help! - how to get postgres 7.3 back
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:14:45 +, Richard Lyons wrote: On Saturday 10 January 2004 01:08, Oliver Elphick wrote: [...snipped: details of stupidly upgrading postgres without first doing pg_dumpall, causing need to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 temporarily...] [snip] Then used aptitude to update and manually selected 7.4 in each of postgresql and postgresql-client. I expected it to do this automatically, but it didn't. That installed 7.4 and the postinstall successfully upgraded the database. I didn't have to manually load the dump. I've been following this thread with interest, being a user of postgreql 7.3.4 on sarge, as the upgrade will be heading my way soon. I did wonder why the postinstall on your first upgrade didn't either do the DB upgrade or at least warn you what was about to happen. Yet it did apparently do it on the second upgrade. I find that a bit confusing. But at least your problem has forewarned me. [snip] ... next time I mess up... The path to true wisdom, Grasshopper :) -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmin doesn't install properly on Woody?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:48:55 -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: My real question is this, -should I give up on Woody and move to Sarge as one post (elsewhere) suggested in hopes that Sarge's .deb will actually work? -give up on the .deb package system and use the .tar file - (takes me back to DOS days)? webmin works fine in sarge, if that's any help. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing the name of my computer
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:25:34 +, Tendril wrote: Now I get all the same files as before come up except with ~ at the end. What does the ~ mean? I tried to edit these files but was informed that the 'buffer is read only' If you look at the man page for the editor you were using, you'll probably find that filename~ is the prior version of filename. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
