upgrade kernel
I gave up on my well reported, here, effort to get my custom kernel 2.4.22 to support CD writing. I decided to try a prepackaged debian kernel as someone suggested here. As long as I was going to the trouble, I chose kernel-image-2.6.0-test4-1-386, using apt-get upgrade. It took over five hours to download with my modem connection.Installation started by asking me questions about the keyboard. Then it threw the usual linux curve at me: dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: console-common console-data How is an ordinary mortal supposed to know that this means and what to do? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More on spam
--- klaus imgrund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Swen volume had dropped to a managable one per day since my last post here around six weeks ago. I posted last night (helping someone fight Swen), and this morning, there were 20+ Swens, over 3 Megabytes. I was *that* close to losing e-mail. Never again. I get about 2 'real' Swens (with virus formerly attached) and 4 warnings about Swen from some dummies a day. You might be barking up the wrong tree here. Klaus Unlike many of you, I am not a computer professional or computer expert. In order to get Debian to work, I needed help from this site. The price has been the endless spam, almost all which has either MS or Microsoft in the return addresses. Apparently, some of the real devotees of this site insist that they still want email addresses posted with messages. Many of us believe that the deluge of spam is too high a price to pay for the help provided here. Here is a suggested comprise. Let Debian set up two different debian-user lists, one with and one without posting of addresses. Let Debian warn new users of the situation and let them choose their list. I realize that some of the objectors to change are real experts who help us all. However, I suspect some experts will still be willing to help on a list that doesn't give addresses. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More on spam
--- klaus imgrund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 October 2003 13:50, Sidney Brooks wrote: --- klaus imgrund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Swen volume had dropped to a managable one per day since my last post here around six weeks ago. I posted last night (helping someone fight Swen), and this morning, there were 20+ Swens, over 3 Megabytes. I was *that* close to losing e-mail. Never again. I get about 2 'real' Swens (with virus formerly attached) and 4 warnings about Swen from some dummies a day. You might be barking up the wrong tree here. Klaus Unlike many of you, I am not a computer professional or computer expert. In order to get Debian to work, I needed help from this site. The price has been the endless spam, almost all which has either MS or Microsoft in the return addresses. I am nowhere even near of being any kind of expert on anything. I use kmail with my regular ISP mail account for this list - just to make the point of how much of a no-expert I really am. If you got an account with a ISP that doesn't filter for viruses get rid of your ISP. Otherwise its easy to filter those out by the warnings from the ISP. All you are stuck with by then is the usual spam which is a lot but you need something to train spamassassin with ;-) I can see people with dialup accounts or guys running mail servers (if somebody runs a mail server and doesn't know how to get rid of that stuff - well,don't run one then) having a problem with this but other than that it's just an annoyance. Anyway,some kind of forum kind of deal instead of a mailing list would probably help but this will not happen. It is easy for you to say. I live in a rural area where we are lucky to have one ISP. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More on spam
Surely, I am not the only person who has thought that spam is a tool for attacking the U. S. (yes to some this will seem provincial) by crippling what has become a major means of communication. It can also be a tool to repress ideas that you don't agree with, e.g. if someone writes a message in favor of abortion or against it to the New York Times, the other side can pick up his address and spam him. The problem is much bigger than this mailing list. --- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul E Condon writes: It has been claimed that one person's spam is another person's ham. To what extent is this actually true? Or is this just obfuscation by the advocates of spam? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More on spam
--- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks writes: Surely, I am not the only person who has thought that spam is a tool for attacking the U. S. (yes to some this will seem provincial) by crippling what has become a major means of communication. Much if not most spam originates in the US. So what? Where it originates doesn't matter, it is the purpose. yes to some this will seem provincial It is. People outside the US get as much spam as we do. It can also be a tool to repress ideas that you don't agree with, e.g. if someone writes a message in favor of abortion or against it to the New York Times, the other side can pick up his address and spam him. That's not spam. That's just a DOS attack. If after I post an opinion on the NYT web site, I get a lot of unsolicited email, I don't care if you call it a DOS attack or I call it spam. You say potayto, I say potahto. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. More on spam
Filters will not solve the problem. The problem is that so much spam is coming in that it overloads the allocated mailbox space and then Yahoo, and I presume other services, refuse to accept more email. A filter can divert spam into trash, but trash counts against your quota until you delete it. You can't use the reject sender option, because the spammers targeting this site change the name of the sender with just about every message. Allowing some program to judge which messages to accept or throw out wont work either because it would reject desired messages that it thought looks like spam. Although we hate to face the truth, the spammers like the terrorists are winning. Just as it seems that we will never go back to the time when we could go from our cars to an airplane without layers of security protection, we may never be able to have email with messages we want. Spam is like junk mail that dosn't cost the sender postage. _ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. More on spam
Filters will not solve the problem. The problem is that so much spam is coming in that it overloads the allocated mailbox space and then Yahoo, and I presume other services, refuse to accept more email. A filter can divert spam into trash, but trash counts against your quota until you delete it. You can't use the reject sender option, because the spammers targeting this site change the name of the sender with just about every message. Allowing some program to judge which messages to accept or throw out wont work either because it would reject desired messages that it thought looks like spam. Although we hate to face the truth, the spammers like the terrorists are winning. Just as it seems that we will never go back to the time when we could go from our cars to an airplane without layers of security protection, we may never be able to have email with messages we want. Spam is like junk mail that dosn't cost the sender postage. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. CD writer
I am still at it. I believe that I have created the proper Debian package for a kernel that should enable CD writing. I still can't do it. As I explained many messages ago, my lilo is on a different partition than the one for which I want CD writing. The new kernel created a lilo which is located on the partition for which I want CD writing. Does anybody know how to get the lilo on the partition to install its kernel without messing up my main lilo? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What if on spam
What if we put some pressure on the email providers, in my case Yahoo. Suppose I create a new email account with Yahoo, whose address I gave to correspondents that I want, while keeping my current Yahoo address only for this list. In time Yahoo's memory banks will be so cluttered with junk that they may decide to take remedial steps. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Decent browsers for Linux? Anything to replace IE?
--- csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:20:44 +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:28:43AM +0100, Joseph Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: While I'm a huge Firebird fan, IE was better at some tasks (yes, they are non-standard HTML tasks, but what can you do when that's what the industry uses? *sigh*). I've tried Konqueror and found it lacking extremely (yes, I love it as a file manager when combined with qvwm, but it simply isn't as full-featured as other browsers) and Opera seems worse than Firebird. So, can anyone suggest a browser that tries to replicate these changes? You've tried several of the better ones. Personally, I like Galeon 1.2.5 (*not* to be confused with 1.3+), and use it extensively. Mozilla is another option. For most of my browsing needs (except when I have to tangle with some serious javascr*), I use emacs-w3m, an emacs frontend for w3m with some convenience features like google search http://emacs-w3m.namazu.org/ Extensive reviews: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixBrowsers Extensive? You didn't have a line for edbrowse (apt-get'able!). It's one of the most unusual browsers I've tried. And you could use it without a computer screen. Echoing Monique: what MSIE features do you find lacking? Let's see, javascript compliance with browsers that insist on MSIE compliance only. The lastest linux versions of Opera and Mozilla are both far superior to Internet Explorer in every way. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. What if on spam
--- Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 17:04 GMT, Sidney Brooks penned: What if we put some pressure on the email providers, in my case Yahoo. Suppose I create a new email account with Yahoo, whose address I gave to correspondents that I want, while keeping my current Yahoo address only for this list. In time Yahoo's memory banks will be so cluttered with junk that they may decide to take remedial steps. You'll simply hit your quota, and any further messages will be deleted. A lot of people have email addresses they only check every week or two (or more!) on these free accounts. They often have maxed out their quota well before they check mail again. I doubt one more such user will bother yahoo too much. -- Here is a real incentive for Yahoo. A lot us belong to Yahoo groups, one of their favorite features. I have just looked and the email addresses of posters are available there as here. Unless the method used by the attacker of this site is unique to linux, the same technique can be used to wipe out Yahoo groups. And there is no free service in Windows, as described here for linux, for customers to do anything about it. For the record, I have also sent aa alert to Microsoft, since most of the return addresses now are not from Sven but Microsoft or MS. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More on spam
--- ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:57:15AM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: Filters will not solve the problem. The problem is that so much spam is coming in that it overloads the allocated mailbox space and then Yahoo, and I presume other services, refuse to accept more email. Of course, if you had actually been _reading_ the many threads on this topic recently, you would already know that there _are_ filtering methods that work, and work very well. There are filtering options that are much better than relying on Yahoo's own filters. A filter can divert spam into trash, but trash counts against your quota until you delete it. You can't use the reject sender option, because the spammers targeting this site change the name of the sender with just about every message. Sure, if you restrict yourself to using Yahoo's own filters. But you can use fetchmail or fechyahoo to automatically download your mail as often as you want, in conjunction with whatever filtering tools you want to set up on your own machine. Even if you use _no_ filtering, this eliminates the mailbox full problem... unless you get enough spam to fill your hard drive. Allowing some program to judge which messages to accept or throw out wont work either because it would reject desired messages that it thought looks like spam. Personally, I'm prepared to accept the extremely low false-positive rate that a well-trained bayesian filter will provide. If you prefer to examine _every_ message personally, that's easily achievable. Default on most filtering programs is to put suspected spam into a folder where you can review it if you want. Obviously, these solutions aren't perfect. Obviously, in a truly enlightened world, there would be no spammers. But in the here and now, filtering strikes me as a better solution than sitting around whining about how the spammers have won. You may be beaten, but I'm still fighting, and easily holding my own. Cheers -- I am not a hero and when I do fight, it has to be for a worthy cause. The simple solution that I have already taken is to set up a different Yahoo account. I hate to give up an email address that I have had for some eight years, but I can think of it as the price for the useful advice that I have gotten here. There is nothing wrong with Yahoo. The problem is that this site posts addresses of the people sending messages. I do not blame the master of this site for not anticipating the problem, but I will blame him if he refuses to take the obvious action. Debian is hard enough to learn to use without losing the help available here. sidney __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. CD writer - still
--- Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi ya sidney please post your .config file in its entiity or send it to me/us/somebody .. /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.22/.config or where ever you put the kernel c ya alvin you can have lilo do anything you like ... - for simplicity ... make a boot floppy for the cdrw version of the kernel and that will not touch any of your current existing boot stuff ( syslinux, lilo, dd, grub, ... ) On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Sidney Brooks wrote: I am still at it. I believe that I have created the proper Debian package for a kernel that should enable CD writing. I still can't do it. As I explained many messages ago, my lilo is on a different partition than the one for which I want CD writing. The new kernel created a lilo which is located on the partition for which I want CD writing. Does anybody know how to get the lilo on the partition to install its kernel without messing up my main lilo? Here it is: # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set CONFIG_UID16=y # # Code maturity level options # # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL is not set # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set # CONFIG_M686 is not set CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII=y # CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set # CONFIG_MK6 is not set # CONFIG_MK7 is not set # CONFIG_MK8 is not set # CONFIG_MELAN is not set # CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set # CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y # CONFIG_RWSEM_GENERIC_SPINLOCK is not set CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=5 CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_F00F_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y # CONFIG_TOSHIBA is not set # CONFIG_I8K is not set # CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set # CONFIG_X86_MSR is not set # CONFIG_X86_CPUID is not set CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set # CONFIG_HIGHMEM is not set # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set # CONFIG_MTRR is not set CONFIG_SMP=y # CONFIG_X86_NUMA is not set # CONFIG_X86_TSC_DISABLE is not set CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y # # General setup # CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y # CONFIG_EISA is not set # CONFIG_MCA is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y # # PCMCIA/CardBus support # CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y # CONFIG_TCIC is not set # CONFIG_I82092 is not set # CONFIG_I82365 is not set # # PCI Hotplug Support # # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_IBM is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y # CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y # CONFIG_APM is not set # # ACPI Support # # CONFIG_ACPI is not set # # Memory Technology Devices (MTD) # # CONFIG_MTD is not set # # Parallel port support # CONFIG_PARPORT=y # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_AMIGA is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_MFC3 is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_ATARI is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_GSC is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_SUNBPP is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_1284 is not set # # Plug and Play configuration # CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y # # Block devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set # CONFIG_CISS_SCSI_TAPE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096 # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_STATS is not set # # Multi-device support (RAID and LVM) # # CONFIG_MD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set # CONFIG_MD_LINEAR is not set # CONFIG_MD_RAID0 is not set # CONFIG_MD_RAID1 is not set # CONFIG_MD_RAID5 is not set # CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM is not set # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y # CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP is not set # CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV is not set # CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set # CONFIG_FILTER is not set CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set
Re: Re. CD writer - still
--- Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Sidney Brooks wrote: your kernel config looks good egrep -i BLK_DEV_LOOP|BLK_DEV_RAM|BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE|BLK_DEV_IDESCSI|CONFIG_SCSI=|CONFIG_MINIX_FS /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.22/.config also keep a copy of linux-2.4.22/.config somewhere safe like /boot/linux-2.4.22.config.works is your cdrw listed in the list of supported drives ?? do you kow how to make a bootable floppy to boot your new kernel ?? did you make the kernel properly ?? cd /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.22 make dep ; make clean ; make bzlilo make modules ; make modules_install -- now make a boot floppy of the new kernel .. http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/Boot/Syslinux/boot.flop.syslinux.txt c ya alvin Here it is: # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set CONFIG_UID16=y The one answer that I am sure of is that my CDRW is on the list of supported drives. I did not make a boot floppy at the end of the kernel configuration where it was an option. The default was no and with all my failures, I think that I have made about eight kernels by now, I thought that making a floppy can wait until I prove that the CD writer works.At this point, I do not know how to make a boot floppy because I doubt that lilo is booting the kernel that I made. I did make dep and make clean but not the others. My guide did not call for them. My main lilo is on another partition and because cat /proc/devices lists ide not scsi devices, my guess is that it is not booting the new kernel. On the other hand, the line append =hdc=ide-scsi disables my cdrom. If I want to use the cdrom, I must comment out this line in lilo. I would like to try booting from the lilo which the kernel configuration process created.It resides on the partition where I want to use it, but I do not know how to boot from the partition. sidney __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. CD writer
Thanks to Luc Lefevre, I have been able to read my kernel configuration file and find that everything is set as I programmed it. However, I still cannot get of ide and substitute scsi. It was suggested that I had to install the modules. So, I went to Linux Kernel Modules Installation HOWTO to find out how to install them. In typical linux fashion the instructions don't work. The problem is in the following instructions: cd /etc/rc.d chmod 755 init.d/* cd rc3.d ln -s ../init.d/modules.init 05modules.init The third line is obviously suspicious. I tried with cd /rc3.d and was told that it didn't exist. I then tried /etc/rc3.d , but it did not work either. I suspect because of the leading .. . I am beginning to wonder how anybody ever got CD writing to work. I had to upgrade my kernel in order to get my usb printer to work. Therefore going back to the kernel supplied with the official distribution is not an option. I must have printing; I can do most of my CD burning with Windows if I must. --- Luc Lefebvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The config file (or should I say .config) lives in /usr/src/linux/.config and is copied to /boot as config-kernel-version for Debian distros (I believ). It is a simple text file and can be viewed with your favorite editor. cheers On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must confess that I am still confused although the messages here are helping. When I look at my installed Debian packages, I have: kernel-image-2 Custom.2 (the last one that I made). The only things that I have in /etc/modules are: af_packet sr_mod If I knew how you printed out make config below, I might learn something. I used xconfig, but I assume that if you can print one, you can print the other. --- Luc Lefebvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using Libranet 2.8.1 (Debian based distro, mostly testing and stable mix) and have compiled 2.4.21 successfully and can burn CDs. My .config file is included as an attachment. Hope this helps. On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:06:48PM -0400, Antonio Rodr wrote: I am reaching a stage of complete frustration in my effort to install a CD writer. I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel that I got from www.kernel.org. My effort to configure the kernel for the scsi emulation always fails. I am following the instructions of: Linux-1U.net/CDRW CDRW-Writing uHOWTO. Every time I follow their instructions, including taking out all reference to ide from the configuration menu, I still end up with ide not sg when I do /proc/devices. I want you to know that you are not alone. I haven't been able to make my cd drives look scsi, when I remove all ide to cd drives, my system goes crazy and it never goes beyond IRQ-madness, without ever the kernel getting to boot completely. In my case I am afraid that it is a difficult hardware the culprit. If you want I can send you that image (2.4.22, compiled with kernel package), which might work for you. I had to revert to ide. The only thing that I find strange in my procedure is that in compiling the kernel, my instructions (from Custom Kernel Compiling in Debian 2.2 by Jeepsta) use kernel_image, but when I make the debian package, the instructions call for kernel-image.Nevertheless, I That is normal (the _ - change). In general, kernels 2.4.22 and 2.4.21 have proved difficult for me. An interesting detail is that Knoppix does the scsi change in the same machine very well. I haven't been able to reproduce it. Any ideas, list? -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Shunryu Suzuki Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set CONFIG_UID16=y # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set # CONFIG_M686 is not set # CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set CONFIG_MPENTIUM4=y # CONFIG_MK6 is not set # CONFIG_MK7 is not set # CONFIG_MK8 is not set # CONFIG_MELAN is not set # CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set # CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
Re: CD writer
I have done all the things described below and it still does not work. --- Naota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joachim Fahnenmueller wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:39:52AM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: Although Alvin Oga pointed me in the right direction, I have still not been successful in modifying my kernel to allow CD writing. The hang-up seems to be the instruction to remove native ATAPI support. There are a number of references to ide in the configuration menu and I must not have removed all of them. The simplest way is to pass the following boot option to the kernel (in /etc/lilo.conf if you use lilo): hdd=ide-scsi (if /dev/hdd is your cd writer). If you really want to switch to SCSI emulation, just disable 'IDE/ATAPI CDROM support' (in the 'IDE, ATA and ATAPI block devices' menu), and don't forget to enable SCSI CDROM and SCSI generic support. HTH I've have an IDE/ATAPI drive, and began to get frustrated with SCSI emulation--began to wonder if I could just burn with my ATAPI as is: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus cdrecord -v -speed=? -dev=ATAPI:?,?,? /path/to/iso ?,?,? = the address specified in cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus, and you should indicate whatever writing speed you'd like. I use speed=8. Enjoy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. CD writer
Actually the instructions that I followed to build the
kernel came from Custom Kernel Compiling in Debian
2.2 by Jeepsta. I am reasonably sure that I did this
correctly because when I do dpkg -l, I find
kernel-image-2 Custom.2, my second build.
When you speak of updating the block image in the
kernel, I assume that you mean changing lilo.conf
followed by the command lilo. I have done this.
If I understand you correctly, you have no further
suggestions that involve working with lilo. Instead
you recommend switching to grub, a program that I have
not used, but am willing to try.
What concerns me is that in the past, I have had
trouble getting rid of lilo in the MBR. I was able to
get rid of it when it was installed by older versions
of Mandrake by using the Windows recovery console.
However this did not work with the version of lilo
installed by Mandrake 8.0.It also caused troubles with
other partitions. Ultimately, I found a program that
wiped by computer clean and went through the laborious
and lengthy process of restoring my computer. Although
I had backed up most things, I could not back up
programs that insisted on residing on the C drive (I
have separate data and program drives for Windows to
protect myself from the inevitable Windows crashes.)
From that time on, I refuse to have anything to do
with Mandrake, which insists on installing its version
of lilo.It does not allow the usual skip lilo followed
by creation of a boot floppy.
All this leads to the question, will lilo -q
completely clean out the MBR and allow me to try grub
without risking my past troubles? The grub package is
not now installed on my computer, but if it is on the
installation disks I know how to install it.
Am I correct that /boot/grub/menu.1st plays the same
role as lilo.conf? And that there is a command
equivalent to lilo, maybe grub? Can grub be erased
easily if things go wrong? I do not want to mess up my
entire computer in an effort to gain CD writing.
sidney
--- Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:37:44AM -0700, Sidney
Brooks wrote:
| In typical linux fashion the instructions don't
work.
| The problem is in the following instructions:
| cd /etc/rc.d
| chmod 755 init.d/*
| cd rc3.d
| ln -s ../init.d/modules.init 05modules.init
|
| The third line is obviously suspicious. I tried
with
| cd /rc3.d and was told that it didn't exist. I
then
| tried /etc/rc3.d , but it did not work either. I
| suspect because of the leading .. .
RedHat uses a funky (un-)organization of /etc.
Debian's init system
is simpler. The instructions you read were for
RedHat. If you
understand the init system you can translate those
details to yours,
but really, you don't need to mess with the init
subsystem (at least
on a debian system) to update the kernel. As is
common, the random
instructions you find on the web are geared for
RedHat and thus
contain some overly complicated and mystic steps
without sufficient
explanation of their purpose or effect.
| I am beginning to wonder how anybody ever got CD
| writing to work.
By following the directions :-). (see below for
more)
| I had to upgrade my kernel in order to get my usb
printer to work.
| Therefore going back to the kernel supplied with
the official
| distribution is not an option. I must have
printing; I can do most
| of my CD burning with Windows if I must.
One suggestion, to help with your sanity : try a
prepackaged kernel
just to get cd writing to work without printing.
The benefit of doing
this is the elation and motivation of seeing it work
and knowing that
it can be done on your system.
I recommend starting the process over. Clear the
slate and throw away
the RedHat-oriented instructions for manually
building a kernel.
Install the 'kernel-package' package and read the
instructions it
includes. It is _much_ simpler (one command), and
produces a .deb of
your kernel. It also makes it easy to tag the
package name and
version with a custom string so you can tell each
kernel apart and
know which one(s) you have installed and are using.
Install the 'kernel-package' package, the 'fakeroot'
package and a
kernel source package, eg kernel-source-2.4.22.
Then do the folowing
(make sure you understand what the commands do and
why!) :
$ cd /usr/src
$ tar -jxf kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2
$ cd kernel-source-2.4.22
$ VER=1 # increment this each time you
rebuild a kernel
$ fakeroot make-kpkg \
--config=xconfig \
--append-to-version=-custom.${VER} \
--revision=custom.${VER} \
kernel_image \
modules_image
$ cd ..
$ su
# dpkg -i
kernel-image-2.4.22-custom.${VER}_custom.${VER}_i386.deb
The only remaining detail after this is to update
your boot loader
configuration to boot the new kernel. *** I think
this is where
you're running into problems. *** I
Re: CD writer
--- Naota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: I have done all the things described below and it still does not work. Okay, how about this, then: Please post the contents of /etc/lilo.conf, /etc/modules.conf, and /etc/rc.d/rc.modules. We'll be able to help more after that. All the best. This is the /etc/lilo.conf generated by the new kernel: boot=/dev/hda4 root=/dev/hda4 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label = Linux read-only append=quiet hdc=ide-scsi _ This is modules.conf: ### This file is automatically generated by update-modules # # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read # the manpage for update-modules. # ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/0keep # DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE! # This file is not marked as conffile to make sure if you upgrade modutils # it will be restored in case some modifications have been made. # # The keep command is necessary to prevent insmod and friends from ignoring # the builtin defaults of a path-statement is encountered. Until all other # packages use the new `add path'-statement this keep-statement is essential # to keep your system working keep ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/0keep ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/actions # Special actions that are needed for some modules # The BTTV module does not load the tuner module automatically, # so do that in here post-install bttv insmod tuner post-remove bttv rmmod tuner ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/actions ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/aliases # Aliases to tell insmod/modprobe which modules to use # Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded: # alias net-pf-1 off# Unix # alias net-pf-2 off# IPv4 # alias net-pf-3 off# Amateur Radio AX.25 # alias net-pf-4 off# IPX # alias net-pf-5 off# DDP / appletalk # alias net-pf-6 off# Amateur Radio NET/ROM # alias net-pf-9 off# X.25 # alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 # alias net-pf-11 off # ROSE / Amateur Radio X.25 PLP # alias net-pf-19 off # Acorn Econet alias char-major-10-175 agpgart alias char-major-10-200 tun alias char-major-81 bttv alias char-major-108ppp_generic alias /dev/ppp ppp_generic alias tty-ldisc-3 ppp_async alias tty-ldisc-14 ppp_synctty alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate # Crypto modules (see http://www.kerneli.org/) alias loop-xfer-gen-0 loop_gen alias loop-xfer-3 loop_fish2 alias loop-xfer-gen-10 loop_gen alias cipher-2 des alias cipher-3 fish2 alias cipher-4 blowfish alias cipher-6 idea alias cipher-7 serp6f alias cipher-8 mars6 alias cipher-11 rc62 alias cipher-15 dfc2 alias cipher-16 rijndael alias cipher-17 rc5 ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/aliases ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/apm alias char-major-10-134 apm alias /dev/apm_bios /dev/misc/apm_bios alias /dev/misc/apm_biosapm ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/apm ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/diald alias tap0 ethertap options tap0-o tap0 unit=0 alias tap1 ethertap options tap1-o tap1 unit=1 ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/diald ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/irda alias tty-ldisc-11 irtty alias char-major-161 ircomm-tty alias char-major-60 ircomm_tty # for dongle alias irda-dongle-0 tekram alias irda-dongle-1 esi alias irda-dongle-2 actisys alias irda-dongle-3 actisys alias irda-dongle-4 girbil alias irda-dongle-5 litelink alias irda-dongle-6 airport alias irda-dongle-7 old_belkin # for FIR device #alias irda0 nsc-ircc dongle_id=0x09 ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/irda ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/paths # This file contains a list of paths that modprobe should scan, # beside the once that are compiled into the modutils tools # themselves. ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/paths ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/ppp alias /dev/ppp ppp_generic alias char-major-108ppp_generic alias tty-ldisc-3 ppp_async alias tty-ldisc-14 ppp_synctty alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/ppp ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/setserial # # This is what I wanted to do, but logger is in /usr/bin, which isn't loaded # when the module is first loaded into the kernel at boot time! # #post-install serial /etc/init.d
Re: Re. CD writer
--- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:27:32PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: --- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 01:48:01PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: Without going through the whole thread, my problem seems to be that I have created a new kernel that will let me use CD writing, but I have not been able to get my computer to use this new kernel. The kernel is in the form ... .deb. Yes, I think I recall that you did have a bootable kernel that did not make cdrecord work. Now you have also a kernel that you hope has features that make cdrecord work, but you don't know for sure because you can't boot it and check. You have a .config of your new kernel. If you can get the .config that was used to produce your bootable kernel, you can diff compare the two .config files. Look for differences that are NOT things that you know you put there for cdrecord. These are things that are needed for your computer, but are not part of the default .config . Add these to the .config that already has your special stuff for cdrecord. HTH, or maybe you've already done that. Are you switching kernel versions in the process of debugging cdrecord functionality? Try, instead, simply switching kernel versions without mucking about with cdrecord. For this first switch, you should use a debian pre-packaged kernel. If you can't get your hardware working at the desired kernel version level with a prepackaged kernel, come back to the list with a new problem about pre-packaged kernel. When you do get desired kernel version working in prepackage, try rebuilding that level using the config file that comes with it. Use make-kpkg for this. If you succeed, you know that you can build ^ kernels the debian way, and that kernels that you build actually work. -Then-, edit the config with all the good stuff for cdrecord and build again. If that doesn't boot and work, there is a conflict between what you think you need for cdrecord and what you think you need for booting. It is possible that a compromise between the two lists will not break either booting or cdrecording. Since a simple leap to the target system that you thought would do cdrecord didn't work, you have to move in smaller steps, and see which config option(s) kill your ability to boot. Maybe theyr'e not really needed for cdrecord in your particular case. Also, look for fumble fingers mistakes. I have a tendency to type /deb/ ... when I really want /dev/ ... ^ Because of the suggestions above, I think that I have found the problem. However, I do not know how to solve it. I went through the .config file and compared it with the instructions in the CDRW-WritinguHOWTO. The following line was missing. ATA/IDE: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m (turn on SCSI emulation) I then went back to make xconfig to create a new kernel. THE CHOICE SCSI EMULATION SUPPORT WAS GRAYED OUT. There was no way in which I could bring it up. Surely, kernel 2.4.22 can support CD writing. But, what is the trick? sidney __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As a result of my thread here, I am getting an almost endless stream of spam messages, supposedly from microsoft. Unless I clean out bulk and trash every few hours, they are pushing me beyond my Yahoo allowance. The effect is to cut me off from sending and receiving messages. Is this happening to everybody or have I been singled out because I have posted so many message in the last day or so? If the former, at what will it have to conceded that the spammers have made this user organization useless? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. CD writer
--- Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:11:46PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: | I went through the .config file and compared it with | the instructions in the CDRW-WritinguHOWTO. | The following line was missing. | ATA/IDE: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m (turn on SCSI | emulation) | I then went back to make xconfig to create a new | kernel. | THE CHOICE SCSI EMULATION SUPPORT WAS GRAYED OUT. | There was no way in which I could bring it up. You must first enable SCSI support. The parameter is CONFIG_SCSI. I don't know where in the xconfig gui it is. -D If you go through the kernel configuration, scsi emulation comes in the section ATA/IDE. I have enabled CONFIG_SCSI=y in the following SCSI section. The problem is still unresolved. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD writer
--- M. Kirchhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I found a good instruction article on the internet. Care to share the location? I'm sure others could benefit! thanks much --M. The guide for installing Debian that I used was: www.darknet.org.uk/content/how_to_install_debian_3.0.html It tells which options to choose during the installation. The guide for installing a kernel was: Custom Kernel Compiling in Debian 2.2 by Jeepsta www.linuxjunior.org Although Alvin Oga pointed me in the right direction, I have still not been successful in modifying my kernel to allow CD writing. The hang-up seems to be the instruction to remove native ATAPI support. There are a number of references to ide in the configuration menu and I must not have removed all of them. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. CD writer
I am reaching a stage of complete frustration in my effort to install a CD writer. I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel that I got from www.kernel.org. My effort to configure the kernel for the scsi emulation always fails. I am following the instructions of: Linux-1U.net/CDRW CDRW-Writing uHOWTO. Every time I follow their instructions, including taking out all reference to ide from the configuration menu, I still end up with ide not sg when I do /proc/devices. The only thing that I find strange in my procedure is that in compiling the kernel, my instructions (from Custom Kernel Compiling in Debian 2.2 by Jeepsta) use kernel_image, but when I make the debian package, the instructions call for kernel-image.Nevertheless, I still end up with a working kernel, I am using it to send this message. Any ideas would be appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. CD writer
I must confess that I am still confused although the messages here are helping. When I look at my installed Debian packages, I have: kernel-image-2 Custom.2 (the last one that I made). The only things that I have in /etc/modules are: af_packet sr_mod If I knew how you printed out make config below, I might learn something. I used xconfig, but I assume that if you can print one, you can print the other. --- Luc Lefebvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using Libranet 2.8.1 (Debian based distro, mostly testing and stable mix) and have compiled 2.4.21 successfully and can burn CDs. My .config file is included as an attachment. Hope this helps. On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:06:48PM -0400, Antonio Rodr wrote: I am reaching a stage of complete frustration in my effort to install a CD writer. I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel that I got from www.kernel.org. My effort to configure the kernel for the scsi emulation always fails. I am following the instructions of: Linux-1U.net/CDRW CDRW-Writing uHOWTO. Every time I follow their instructions, including taking out all reference to ide from the configuration menu, I still end up with ide not sg when I do /proc/devices. I want you to know that you are not alone. I haven't been able to make my cd drives look scsi, when I remove all ide to cd drives, my system goes crazy and it never goes beyond IRQ-madness, without ever the kernel getting to boot completely. In my case I am afraid that it is a difficult hardware the culprit. If you want I can send you that image (2.4.22, compiled with kernel package), which might work for you. I had to revert to ide. The only thing that I find strange in my procedure is that in compiling the kernel, my instructions (from Custom Kernel Compiling in Debian 2.2 by Jeepsta) use kernel_image, but when I make the debian package, the instructions call for kernel-image.Nevertheless, I That is normal (the _ - change). In general, kernels 2.4.22 and 2.4.21 have proved difficult for me. An interesting detail is that Knoppix does the scsi change in the same machine very well. I haven't been able to reproduce it. Any ideas, list? -- Luc Lefebvre In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. Shunryu Suzuki Key fingerprint = D2E5 5E35 B910 6F4E 0242 EC63 0FD9 96D0 C7F4 784E # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set CONFIG_UID16=y # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set # CONFIG_M686 is not set # CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set CONFIG_MPENTIUM4=y # CONFIG_MK6 is not set # CONFIG_MK7 is not set # CONFIG_MK8 is not set # CONFIG_MELAN is not set # CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set # CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y # CONFIG_RWSEM_GENERIC_SPINLOCK is not set CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=7 CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_F00F_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m CONFIG_I8K=m # CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set # CONFIG_X86_MSR is not set # CONFIG_X86_CPUID is not set # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y # CONFIG_HIGHIO is not set # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set CONFIG_MTRR=y # CONFIG_BIGPHYS_AREA is not set # CONFIG_SMP is not set # CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC is not set # CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set # CONFIG_X86_TSC_DISABLE is not set CONFIG_X86_TSC=y # # General setup # CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y # CONFIG_EISA is not set # CONFIG_MCA is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y # # PCMCIA/CardBus support # CONFIG_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_TCIC=y CONFIG_I82092=y CONFIG_I82365=y # # PCI Hotplug Support # # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y # CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_ACPI=m # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set
Re: Re. CD writer
--- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that occurs to me: you did do make modules make modules_install right? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are not in the instructions that I am following. At what point are these things to be done? I did do MAKEDEV for loop, sg, and ram. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re__cdwriter
--- steef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi sidney, maybe this is of some help, i hope. why not install a kernel like vanilla, with - as root - a line in /etc/lilo.conf append=hdx=ide-scsi, hdx = hdd, hdc, or something like that: the name woody gives to your cdrom-writer this a f t e r you installed p.e. vanilla, bf24..., and d u r i ng installation ag and scsi-emulationmods in the kernel. do not forget (sorry) to run lilo and to reboot after this. do then apt-get -f install xcdroast, and, as root, setup xcdroast for yourself as user etc. etc. let me know if the writer works after all this. if not: there are some other tricks. steef According to the instructions that I am following, the change in lilo.conf is to be made after cat /proc/devices indicates that sg, loop, and sr have been installed. xroast is the next step after lilo. I think that I have created the correct kernel, but that my computer is not booting it and therefore I cannot go on to the steps that you suggest. I am trying to understand why. sidney __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. CD writer
I now think that I should explain how I have set up my computer because what I thought should be irrelevant may somehow be the cause of my troubles. I welcome criticism. I have separate partitions on my hard drive for WindowsXP and two versions of Debian woody. I think of one Debian partition as my working version and my other as my testing version, a place where I can try out new programs until I am sure that they work and not spoil my working system. When something works, I then install it on my working partition. This system worked well with my upgrade to KDE 3.1.4. All that I have written about my kernel has been on my testing partition.Here is a posible complication that could be causing my trouble. The lilo that controls my computer is in the working woody partition. However, in the final step of installing a new kernel, lilo is used. Because I did not want my whole computer messed up, I installed the lilo with the new kernel information on the testing partition not the MBR. I then copied the information that the upgrade process installed in lilo.conf to the lilo.conf on my working woody partition. I can still boot into any of the three partitions using lilo. The testing partition has the 2.4.22 kernel and I can use this partition to go on the internet or print. However cat /proc/devices tells me that I have ide devices not scsi devices, although I made the change in creating the kernel. The question is whether my computer is defaulting to the original 2.4.22 and ignoring the upgraded version. If this is the explanation, and I have my doubts, how can I get the computer to use the upgraded kernel which I have every reason to believe is installed? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CD writer
I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel and want to install my cd writer. I am using two publications as my guide, by pbharris and joreybump. Both instruct me to insert modules for scsi emulation, in particular ide-scsi.I do not have this module. I have gone through the kernel compilation several times and cannot find a place to install this module. Can anybody tell what to do to install my cd writer. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD writer
--- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:08:17PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel and want to install my cd writer. I am using two publications as my guide, by pbharris and joreybump. Both instruct me to insert modules for scsi emulation, in particular ide-scsi.I do not have this module. Did you compile your own kernel? I just checked packages.debian.org and Woody doesn't come with 2.4.22. Where did you get your source? I have gone through the kernel compilation several times and cannot find a place to install this module. Can anybody tell what to do to install my cd writer. Just out of curiosity, what do you get if you type locate ide-scsi? -- I obtained the kernel from kde.org. I found a good instruction article on the internet. The task was easier than I thought that it would be and everything is working.It is another example of the fact that with good documentation, linux works well. When I type locate ide-scsi, I get a blank return. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD writer
Oops! I made a mistake in my last posting, the source was www.kernel.org. I had the other address on my mind since I upgraded to kde 3.1.4 after I upgraded the kernel. --- Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:08:17PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote: I have Debian woody with a 2.4.22 kernel and want to install my cd writer. I am using two publications as my guide, by pbharris and joreybump. Both instruct me to insert modules for scsi emulation, in particular ide-scsi.I do not have this module. Did you compile your own kernel? I just checked packages.debian.org and Woody doesn't come with 2.4.22. Where did you get your source? I have gone through the kernel compilation several times and cannot find a place to install this module. Can anybody tell what to do to install my cd writer. Just out of curiosity, what do you get if you type locate ide-scsi? -- I obtained the kernel from kde.org. I found a good instruction article on the internet. The task was easier than I thought that it would be and everything is working.It is another example of the fact that with good documentation, linux works well. When I type locate ide-scsi, I get a blank return. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
need help with kde 3.1.4
I upgraded to kde 3.1.4 following the instructions in David Pashley's FAQ. In order not to spoil my working woody system, I installed another woody system on a different partition to try things out. On my tryout partition, kde 3.1.4 works properly. When I installed it on my working woody partition, it developed quirks which leads me to believe that something is configured incorrectly, but I can't find it. Here are the symptoms. The tops of boxes, e.g. the terminal, are not blue but gray. I cannot drag the boxes in the usual way. The icon for the four different desktops is there, but clicking does not switch from one to another. In some places, e.g. my browser, there is no response to my keyboard. Does anybody know what is configured incorrectly? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need help with kde 3.1.4
Even though I really don't know what happened, I solved my problem. Somehow, kde was being contaminated by gnome. I logged into and out of gnome. Then I logged into kde 3.1.4 and everything worked properly. As an old friend of mine used to say, No knowledge, confidence. --- Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded to kde 3.1.4 following the instructions in David Pashley's FAQ. In order not to spoil my working woody system, I installed another woody system on a different partition to try things out. On my tryout partition, kde 3.1.4 works properly. When I installed it on my working woody partition, it developed quirks which leads me to believe that something is configured incorrectly, but I can't find it. Here are the symptoms. The tops of boxes, e.g. the terminal, are not blue but gray. I cannot drag the boxes in the usual way. The icon for the four different desktops is there, but clicking does not switch from one to another. In some places, e.g. my browser, there is no response to my keyboard. Does anybody know what is configured incorrectly? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A note of thanks
About a week ago, I sent a number of postings to this site about my difficulties in installing woody. Thanks to a number of helpful respondents, I now have a working debian woody, including a usb printer. I am impressed by the quality of this distribution and believe that a good installation guide is what is needed to make debian more popular. There were two publications that I found particularly useful: 1. On installing debian. www.darknet.org.uk/content/how_to_install_debian_3.0.html 2.On configuring a kernel. www.linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Displayid=2 I believe that if these two publications were combined into an install document in place of the official install document, most people would be able to successfully install debian without endless hours of effort. As an example of the difference, the cited document tells which choices to make in Tasksel. Much of my trouble came from not selecting C and C++. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uhci
I want to use a usb printer with Debian woody. From what I read, I must install the module uhci to do this. I do not know where to find this module and how to install it. I have tried apt-get with no success. This must be something that everybody but me knows how to do as everything I read assumes that no explanation is needed. Somebody please tell me. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uhci
--- John Spray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: I must install the module uhci Linux kernel modules are already present on your system. Installing the module refers not to obtaining it, but to loading it into the running kernel. This is generally done with a command such as modprobe uhci, where uhci is the name of the module which you wish to load. To configure your debian system to load a certain module on boot, add the desired module's name to the list in /etc/modules. See man modprobe, man modules. When I use modprobe uhci, the response is Can't locate module uhci. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uhci
--- John Spray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: I must install the module uhci Linux kernel modules are already present on your system. Installing the module refers not to obtaining it, but to loading it into the running kernel. This is generally done with a command such as modprobe uhci, where uhci is the name of the module which you wish to load. To configure your debian system to load a certain module on boot, add the desired module's name to the list in /etc/modules. See man modprobe, man modules. When I use modprobe usb-uhci, the response is Can't locate module uhci. Using lsmod, I do not find usb-ohci or anything else with usb. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. uhci
-- Martin Jungowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two reasons why the module is not loading: First of all, it's named usb-uhci not uhci hence the right command is modprobe usb-uhci which you'll have to execute with root privileges. However if you're running the stock Debian Woody installation, you have Kernel 2.2 which does not support USB out of the box. You will have to install a newer kernel, the easiest way to do so is apt-cache search kernel-image and then look for what the lateste kernel-image for your architecture is. Install it via apt-get and modify your /etc/lilo.conf file. Don't forget to apply the changes by executing lilo. Reboot, select the new kernel and try modprobe usb-uhci Martin On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 21:58, Sidney Brooks wrote: --- John Spray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: I must install the module uhci Linux kernel modules are already present on your system. Installing the module refers not to obtaining it, but to loading it into the running kernel. This is generally done with a command such as modprobe uhci, where uhci is the name of the module which you wish to load. To configure your debian system to load a certain module on boot, add the desired module's name to the list in /etc/modules. See man modprobe, man modules. When I use modprobe uhci, the response is Can't locate module uhci. This explains my problem. However, when I tried to carry out the upgrade, I ran into another problem. I have no lilo.conf file, probably because I am loading from a floppy. Using separate partitions for windows and linux,I have had nothing but trouble with lilo and, therefore, I load linux witha floppy. Is there a way to upgrade the kernel therough lilo while preventing lilo from becoming my boot loader? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
about lilo
Please help me to understand lilo. If one loads lilo on the root sector of a partition, does this mean that it has no affect on the MBR? Exactly, what does it do when it is on a partition? Presumably, it specifies the kernel to be used on the partition, but how do you get to the partition in the first place? The reason for these questions is because I want to upgrade my kernel without changing the MBR. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still on install
--- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent writes: Run plog fairly often while pon is dialing/connecting. It might give you a clue as to what's going wrong. Or run 'plog -f' once. man plog -- John Hasler To give the whole log would be too lengthy. The log indicates a correct start. I get the line serial connection established. The log ends with an endless cycle. sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xn magic=0xe94ee9cf] rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xn magic=0xf84d9af6] n starts at one and then increases with increments of one. In the text inbetween, after it receives my user id, it says: rcvd [CHAP success id=0x58 ] The next line is: Couldn't set pass-filter in kernel Invalid argument I do not recall seeing my ISP password in the text. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. Still on istall
Something peculiar happened. After failing to connect with ppp and kppp, I decided to try wvdial. It also failed the authorization stage. While I was doing something else, it redialed and got connected. I then decided to try the same thing with pon. It failed to connect. I followed this with poff. It then redialed on its own and got connected. I am sending this message using Debian. Does anybody understand what is going on? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re. Still on istall
--- Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something peculiar happened. After failing to connect with ppp and kppp, I decided to try wvdial. It also failed the authorization stage. While I was doing something else, it redialed and got connected. I then decided to try the same thing with pon. It failed to connect. I followed this with poff. It then redialed on its own and got connected. I am sending this message using Debian. Does anybody understand what is going on? I also tried it with kppp, which failed.. It took about four minutes before it dailed again on its own. But, it finally did and got connected. How can I make this work when invoked, as they should? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Install explanation?
I seem to be able to get on the internet now. For those who helped me and any one else interested, I offer my tentative explanation for criticism. When I installed Debian, I included diald. However, in setting up diald, I had a problem in that I have pulse dialing and there was no way (I thought) to configure it. Diald turns on the modem when data is being transferred and turns it off otherwise. When I tried to use ppp, kppp, and wvdial, they were superseded by diald because no data was waiting to be transferred. Diald stopped them from being authorized. Last night, I edited the diald.conf by changing my telephone number in the Windows XP way, i.e. by putting a P in front of the number. Since then, diald is in control and connects, whenever I want to send or receive data, automatically turning off the modem, when data is not flowing, as it is not as I compose this message. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still on install
--- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: --- Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: 1. I can get two dialers, kppp and ppp[config/pon/poff], to dial, but they do not authenticate. The kppp log says: The system is required to authenticate itself but I cannot find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address). apt-get install minicom, and then use it to verify that your username/password is working on the server. This won't allow you to start a ppp session, but it should allow you to verify that your username/password is working. If it doesn't, then triple-check that you're using the right username/password. You might also have to reconfigure pppconfig for CHAP instead of PAP, etc. -- There is no doubt that I am using the correct username and password. I can read them in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. My ISP specifies PAP not CHAP. I have used pppconfig/pon/poff in earlier versions of Debian without trouble. I am using kppp sucessfully now in RedHat. The question is why neither will authenticate even though both dial properly and I can hear a response from my ISP. Debian must have some quirk that I am unaware of. Let me end by expressing my appreciation for your interest and help. In /etc/ppp/options is an auth setting you can try commenting out. There's a better way to do this (as mentioned in the options file), but this would serve as a quick and dirty test to see if that's related. -- Kent I commented out auth. The only difference it made is that the connected icon appeared on the bottom of the screen. However, as before, the browser could not connect with any website. This suggestion gave me the thought of going to my working RedHat partition and copying their /etc/ppp/options file exactly. However, when I went there it was a blank file. This caused me to realize that my problem in Debian was anterior to both ppp and kppp. In Debian neither authorizes. In RedHat, there is no ppp, but kppp authorizes. What comes before them in Debian? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still on install
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :: Sidney Brooks wrote: ::I commented out auth. The only difference it made is ::that the connected icon appeared on the bottom of the ::screen. However, as before, the browser could not ::connect with any website. Have you set up your /etc/resolv.conf file ? Try and ping a random IP address and see if that works. If it does, you just need to add your nameserver ip address in resolv.conf I pinged my ISP with the response: 206.169.38.2(206.169.38.2):56 data bytes The number is the number that I pinged. I then went to /etc/resolv.conf, found it empty, and entered the ISP numbers. I also went to /etc/ppp/resolv.conf. It already had the numbers with the lead nameserver. Then I tried kppp. It dialed, I heard the ISP response and then got: The pppd daemon died expectedly Exit status 1 On the terminal was additional information: Warning: KDE detected X error (invalid parameter attributes)8 Major opcode:42 The response to the pon command was the same as before, it dialed, I heard the ISP response, but I could not connect to the internet. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still on install
--- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: I have two problems left. 1. I can get two dialers, kppp and ppp, to dial, but they do not authenticate. The kppp log says: The system is required to authenticate itself but I cannot find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address). I suspect it has something to do with that new secret protocal in the install process. What do I need to do? I would recommend using pppconfig/pon/poff first, to get things working. Once you've got that working, then move on to kppp and (ppp?!). By ppp, I meant pppconfig/pon/poff. It lights up my modem, but I still am not connected to the internet. 2. I can't find cups on any of my seven disks. Isn't it supposed to be part of the distribution? Does the package go under a different name from cups? Otherwise how do I get my printer to work? I tried magicfilter, but I don't know what filter to use (tried ljet4l). Printing has always been a mystery to me. But I believe __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still on install
--- Sidney Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: 1. I can get two dialers, kppp and ppp[config/pon/poff], to dial, but they do not authenticate. The kppp log says: The system is required to authenticate itself but I cannot find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address). apt-get install minicom, and then use it to verify that your username/password is working on the server. This won't allow you to start a ppp session, but it should allow you to verify that your username/password is working. If it doesn't, then triple-check that you're using the right username/password. You might also have to reconfigure pppconfig for CHAP instead of PAP, etc. -- There is no doubt that I am using the correct username and password. I can read them in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. My ISP specifies PAP not CHAP. I have used pppconfig/pon/poff in earlier versions of Debian without trouble. I am using kppp sucessfully now in RedHat. The question is why neither will authenticate even though both dial properly and I can hear a response from my ISP. Debian must have some quirk that I am unaware of. Let me end by expressing my appreciation for your interest and help. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install
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Re: install
Following the suggestion of Zak B. Elep,I changed framebuffer device interface to no and got a display of 800x600. However, among all the installed programs, there was nothing to dial onto the internet. I assumed that I had done something wrong in the initial install. Being less sophisticated than most of you, I decided to reinstall, doing it correctly this time. When I got to tasksel, I chose the dialup package among others. However, the program refused to install the dialup package. How can I change something to get onto the internet? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Still on install
I have two problems left. 1. I can get two dialers, kppp and ppp, to dial, but they do not authenticate. The kppp log says: The system is required to authenticate itself but I cannot find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address). I suspect it has something to do with that new secret protocal in the install process. What do I need to do? 2. I can't find cups on any of my seven disks. Isn't it supposed to be part of the distribution? Does the package go under a different name from cups? Otherwise how do I get my printer to work? I tried magicfilter, but I don't know what filter to use (tried ljet4l). __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install
Using VESA and the lowest resolution, 640x400 (I think), I am now able to get into the graphics mode. However, I now have the same problem with woody that caused me to give up on potato. Everything is so big that the system is unusable. You always need something that is off the screen. I am able to get higher resolutions with Windows and Redhat, so my equipment is capable. As my previous messages indicated, using even 800x600, I could not get into the graphics mode. Is there any way to make it work? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install
Kent West wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: 1) I am not sure how it happened, but /etc/inittab is now set at run level 2. Therefore, I boot into text mode. That's the default on Debian. Redhat and friends pre-configure different run levels, whereas Debian leaves this for the administrator to do as he sees fit. 2) I have Windows XP, Mandrake, Redhat, and Debian partitions. Everything but Debian works. The boot loader is Mandrake lilo. HOWEVER, I CANNOT TAKE LILO OUT. In what may or may not be a related problem, if I uninstall lilo, when I reboot, at CDROM (order is floppy, CDROM, Hard Drive) I get L followed by an endless string of 99 unless there is a disk in the drive. Even here, I have a peculiarity, I can boot any bootable disk except my Windows XP disk, which starts with the message that it is checking hardware and then freezes. I am begining to think that Mandrake lilo may have somehow corrupted my BIOS. However, nothing that I do with the BIOS setup cures the problems. No, your BIOS is okay. When you removed lilo, you left an empty (not really, but humor me) spot on the boot sector. When the BIOS tries to boot the system, it reads part of the gunk left over in this sector, and then starts spitting out the 99s. This is perfectly normal (although undesired) behavior. You'll need _some_ sort of boot loader. WinXP's is designed only for Windows, so it's not really a good choice (although I understand it can be made to work). lilo or grub are probably your next two best choices, and whereas grub is more flexible, most folks are more familiar with lilo, and lilo is still the standard for booting Linux, so I'd stick with lilo. It doesn't matter if lilo is installed from Mandrake or Redhat or Debian, so long as the /etc/lilo.conf file is properly configured. WindowsXP freezing is likely less of a problem with the boot sector; in fact, it's not related to the boot sector at all, or it wouldn't even be getting as far as it's getting. If it's getting to the point where it can say it's checking hardware, then the WinXP CD _is_ booting; it's just failing a bit further down the line. This points to either a bad CD (scratch?), or something wrong with your hardware (RAM? hot CPU? bad spot on hard drive?). Since you had so much trouble with Debian earlier, I'm about 72.37% leaning toward some sort of hardware problem on your machine. To test RAM you can download memtest86 (either run it off a floppy or apt-get install mem86 and then configure lilo to offer it as a boot option). If you can run Mandrake/WinXP/Redhat/Knoppix without any problems (compiling a linux kernel is a pretty good test of RAM), then chances are your machine is okay, and the problem is in the WinXP CD itself. 3)Booting from the Debian floppy now results in a working text mode. Excellent! That means that all that is left is to get X working. What happens when you run startx? You'll likely get an error about no screens found, but that's a generic error that means nothing. Look higher up in the output for lines marked with EE or No pointing device found or No resolutions usable, etc. 4) To summarize, I have three problems which may point to a BIOS problem: Debian, I cannot boot the Windows CD, and the fact that I must keep the Mandrake lilo or I cannot get into Windows. 1) Debian - Debian is booting now; it's just not running X. Realize that X sits on top of Debian, unlike WindowsXP in which Microsoft wants you to believe the Graphical User Interface (GUI) _is_ WindowsXP. In the Microsoft world, if you're not looking at the GUI, you're not looking at Windows. But in the GNU world, if you're not looking at the GUI, you're not looking at the GUI, and that's all. You're still in Linux, just in text-mode. 2) Can't boot WinXP CD - Sounds like either a damaged WinXP CD or a hardware problem on your machine. 3) As mentioned above, you have to have _some_ sort of boot loader. WindowsXP can't be booted off an external disk as far as I know; although the WinXP CD should allow you to reinstall/repair XP. So, yes, you must keep lilo (from any of the distros, or alternatively grub or something similar) on your drive or you won't be able to get into Windows. Or you could reinstall the Windows boot code, but then you won't be able to get into Deb/RH/MD. 5) I am sending this to you directly because it is detailed and you are the only one showing an interest in the problem. Yes, but someone having the same problem three months from now after I've been run over by an out-of-control shopping cart at Super Wal-Mart and am no longer available won't be able to search the archives for any help if this thread is not archived. I'd still recommend keeping this on-list. ** I used startx and could not go into the graphics mode. Here are the significant entries from /var/log/XFree86.0.log (WW) about cyrillic fonts - not significant (WW) Cannot open
Re: install
Kent West wrote: Sidney Brooks wrote: 2) I have Windows XP, Mandrake, Redhat, and Debian partitions. Everything but Debian works. The boot loader is Mandrake lilo. HOWEVER, I CANNOT TAKE LILO OUT. In what may or may not be a related problem, if I uninstall lilo, when I reboot, at CDROM (order is floppy, CDROM, Hard Drive) I get L followed by an endless string of 99 unless there is a disk in the drive. Even here, I have a peculiarity, I can boot any bootable disk except my Windows XP disk, which starts with the message that it is checking hardware and then freezes. I am begining to think that Mandrake lilo may have somehow corrupted my BIOS. However, nothing that I do with the BIOS setup cures the problems. I used startx and could not go into the graphics mode. Here are the significant entries from /var/log/XFree86.0.log (WW) about cyrillic fonts - not significant (WW) Cannot open APM (WW) SAVAGE: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PC:1:0:0) found (EE) No devices detected I would suggest running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selecting VESA or VGA as your device type, just to see if you can get X to start at all. In order to deal with the uneraseable MBR, I shall attempt to follow the advice of a technician of the company which made my computer. It involves wiping the hard drive clean. If it works and I still have a computer, I shall then avoid the Mandrake version of linux. Umm, I'm not sure why you'd want to do that. Your MBR is not unerasable; it simply has something other than what you expect to have in it. What do you want in your MBR? As mentioned in a previous message, you _must_ have some sort of boot loader in order to boot off the hard drive. Whether it's Mandrake's or someone else's is insignificant, as long as it works. Perhaps I haven't understood what's the problem. If you're still getting the 99s, boot off a rescue CD/floppy into Mandrake or Debian, edit /etc/lilo.conf (in Debian. Mandrake - ?) properly for each OS you have installed and want to be able to boot, and then run lilo to reinstall lilo. Boom, you're done. Now if you want to get rid of Mandrake for some reason, and want to go through the hassle of wiping the drive and reinstalling everything, that's fine. But there's no need to. Wiping the drive and starting over is a habit that became necessary in the Windows world. In the GNU world, that's seldom needed. _ Here is an update. I wiped out the drive using a program from the manufacturer of my computer available at www.microtelinc.com. I then was able to use my Windows XP disk, which previously simple led to a frozen screen, to reinstall Windows. I then partitioned the disk and installed RedHat, with no trouble, and Debian. The failure to go into graphics in Debian persists. There is some improvement. When I boot into Debian, there are no freezes, I get into the text mode. On using the command startx, I could not get into graphics. Here are the errors from /var/log/Xfree86.0.log: (WW) Cannot open APM (EE) VESO(0):No matching modes (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. I noticed in installing RedHat, which works, that instead of using my actual SavagePro card, it chose VESA. I did the same with Debian, but it still did not get me into graphics. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
install
I attempted to install Woody version 3.0. Everything went smoothly until I tried to use it after the installation. All I get is a blank screen and a frozen computer. I think that my problem is a video card that linux does not like, S3 Pro-Savage KM133. Any suggestions as to how I can make things work. I cannot use the text mode, therefore I cannpt change any files. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Although one person answered the message below, I never saw it posted. In case something strange happened, I am trying it again. I attempted to install Woody version 3.0. Everything went smoothly until I tried to use it after the installation. All I get is a blank screen and a frozen computer. I think that my problem is a video card that linux does not like, S3 Pro-Savage KM133. Any suggestions as to how I can make things work. I cannot use the text mode, therefore I cannpt change any files. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install
I followed the instructions below. When I entered linux single at the boot prompt, I ended up with a blank screen and frozen computer. I might add, Debian potato didn't work for me in the graphical mode because it only accepted the lowest resolution, 640x400 (I think), and everything was so big that it was useless. With it, I could get into the text mode which I cannot do with woody. For the record, RedHat gives me no trouble Sidney Brooks wrote: Although one person answered the message below, I never saw it posted. In case something strange happened, I am trying it again. Rodney D. Myers responded to it. I attempted to install Woody version 3.0. Everything went smoothly until I tried to use it after the installation. All I get is a blank screen and a frozen computer. I think that my problem is a video card that linux does not like, S3 Pro-Savage KM133. Any suggestions as to how I can make things work. I cannot use the text mode, therefore I cannpt change any files. Does Ctrl-Alt-F2 not switch you to a workable text-based console? From there you should be able to repair whatever's wrong. Otherwise you can, at the boot: prompt (assuming you're using lilo and not grub, etc), enter linux single to boot into single-user mode, where you can then repair what's wrong. Once at a text-based console, the first thing to do is to disable the automatic startup of X. You're probably using a graphical session manager, either xdm, wdm, kdm, or gdm. There are several ways to do this; probably the way I would do it is to temporarily put the single line exit 0 as the first executable line in the session manager start-up script. This script will be in /etc/init.d, and will have a symlink in /etc/rc2.d. The script in /etc/init.d will probably be named xdm, wdm. kdm. or gdm. The script in /etc/rc2.d will have a S and a number in front of the script name, like S99kdm or S98gdm. You can disable the graphical session for the current boot only by running this script with the stop flag, like so: /etc/init.d/kdm stop (which you'll want to do _before_ adding exit 0 to the script). Now run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and play with the X settings, and then try starting X with startx. Once you get a working system, you can remove the exit 0 and then run the script with the start option and see if the graphical session manager (GUI logon screen) works. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install
The situation gets stranger and stranger. For completeness, I have repeated the problem below. None of the suggestions helped. Whether I used the boot floppy or installation CD, I ended up with a blank screen and frozen computer. Then, for no sensible reason, I put Debian in the lilo boot loader on my Mandrake partition. Booting with lilo, I got into the Debian text mode. I then tried the dpkg (etc) described below and could not find a combination that worked. Then, again for no reason, I attempted to boot from my boot floppy. This time, I got to the Debian text mode. Previously, the boot floppy just led to a blank screen and a frozen computer. Here is a possible clue. When I tried startx, I ended up with: Fatal Server Error: no screens found I attempted to install Woody version 3.0. Everything went smoothly until I tried to use it after the installation. All I get is a blank screen and a frozen computer. I think that my problem is a video card that linux does not like, S3 Pro-Savage KM133. Any suggestions as to how I can make things work. I cannot use the text mode, therefore I cannpt change any files. Does Ctrl-Alt-F2 not switch you to a workable text-based console? From there you should be able to repair whatever's wrong. Otherwise you can, at the boot: prompt (assuming you're using lilo and not grub, etc), enter linux single to boot into single-user mode, where you can then repair what's wrong. Once at a text-based console, the first thing to do is to disable the automatic startup of X. You're probably using a graphical session manager, either xdm, wdm, kdm, or gdm. There are several ways to do this; probably the way I would do it is to temporarily put the single line exit 0 as the first executable line in the session manager start-up script. This script will be in /etc/init.d, and will have a symlink in /etc/rc2.d. The script in /etc/init.d will probably be named xdm, wdm. kdm. or gdm. The script in /etc/rc2.d will have a S and a number in front of the script name, like S99kdm or S98gdm. You can disable the graphical session for the current boot only by running this script with the stop flag, like so: /etc/init.d/kdm stop (which you'll want to do _before_ adding exit 0 to the script). Now run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and play with the X settings, and then try starting X with startx. Once you get a working system, you can remove the exit 0 and then run the script with the start option and see if the graphical session manager (GUI logon screen) works. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ldd
I gave more hard disk space to Debian and therefore had to reinstall it. When I reinstalled two programs that worked before, I got library error messages. I then ran ldd and got: a.out or ELF What does this mean and what do I do about it? I ran ldd on programs that do work and got the usual output.
re: xdm crash
I decided to reinstall the Debian package xdm since it wasn't working, using dpkg. When I tried, I got the error message: unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding: No space left on device This suggests that the new files that I downloaded were so large that they filled my hard disk. What command can I use to check the available space on the hard disk. I know how to do this with gnome, but I am stuck with run level 3, which is like dos.
xdm crash
I have lost the ability to use xdm, run level 5, and would like to know how to restore it without reinstalling Debian. I can operate in run level 3 as long as I do not go into graphics. This is how it all happened. I downloaded some files using Debian and then transferred them to Windows because I wanted to save the files on a CD. After doing this, I tried to go back to Debian and got into run level 2. I then edited /etc/inittab, which had level 5 and changed it to level 3. Going into level 3, I tried to use startx, but got the following. startx No such file or directory: cannot stat /temp/.X11-unix, aborting _X11 TransSocketUNICConnect: Can't connect: error =111 giving up xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) : unable to connect to x sever xinit: No such process (errno 3). Server error I checked and I do have the command startx at /usr/X11R6/bin/startx. Any help would be appreciated.
Re. xdm crash
In response to my problem, I received the following. I have lost the ability to use xdm, run level 5, and would like to know how to restore it without reinstalling Debian. I can operate in run level 3 as long as I do not go into graphics. This is how it all happened. I downloaded some files using Debian and then transferred them to Windows because I wanted to save the files on a CD. After doing this, I tried to go back to Debian and got into run level 2. I then edited /etc/inittab, which had level 5 and changed it to level 3. Going into level 3, I tried to use startx, but got the following. startx No such file or directory: cannot stat /temp/.X11-unix, aborting _X11 TransSocketUNICConnect: Can't connect: error =111 giving up xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) : unable to connect to x sever xinit: No such process (errno 3). Server error Are you typing the error message or copying it? There is no '/temp/.X11-unix' in the standard filesystem. There *is* /tmp. Maybe bad permissions: drwxrwxrwx 12 root root 3072 Oct 10 19:41 /tmp This is an exact copy of the error message. There are no permission problems with /tmp for I used it. I also have created the directory /temp but with nothing in it. I use it for temporary storage.
Window Manager
I got myself in trouble by playing around with the window manager. I changed from icewm to enlightenment. Now, I find that enlightenment is not as good and I want to go back to icewm. In older versions of Debian, all you had to do was edit /etc/X11/window-managers. With potato, I do not have this file and have not been able to find an alternate file. How do I get back to icewm? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Window Manager
I still have troubles. Following noahm, I used update-alternatives --config x-window-manager to reset the window manager to icewm. Despite this change, when I shut down and restarted, it still went into enlightenment. When I used locate .xsession, the only thing that I found was .xsession-errors. I then played with it and was able to read /root/.xsession where the only text said that enlightenment had changed the window-manager. When I tried to edit this out, using gedit and gnote, the only editors that enlightenment allows me, these programs could not find /root/.xsession. I got into this trouble by simply executing enlightenment. When I tried to do the reverse by executing icewm, the response was that another window manager is running. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Window Manager
Following Ano Nim, I created /home/.xinitrc with the text icewm and,lo and behold, when I start Debian, I still get enlightenment. I am not sure what to do with the meassage from Stephen Gran. I downloaded the attachment and have a binary file that I don't know how to handle. The gnome instructions say that enlightenment is the only window manager that it is fully compatible with. I wish that I had let well enough alone and stayed with icewm. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Windoe Manager
Enlightenment does not yield easily. To give .xinitrc a full chance, I used chmod +x on it, rebooted, and still got enlightenment. Then, I followed the guidance of Shawn Lamson. I created /home/.xsession with the text icewm and after saving it, I used chmod +x. When I rebooted, I still got enlightenment. It is beginning to look as if I will either have to reinstall Debian or learn to love enlightenment. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Window Manager
Here is a new twist. When I log in as root, I get enlightenment, despite all the suggested changes. When I log in as a user, I get icewm. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Window Manager
Problem solved! Sam Varghese gave me the clue that combined with previous suggestions solved the problem of getting rid of enlightenment.The home directory for root is not home but root. When I edited .xsessions in the root directory, I got the icewm back. Thanks to all who tried to help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re. Total Confusion
For those of you who tried to help with my problem, several weeks ago, here is a statement of the problem and solution. I have Windows98, Redhat linux, and Debian linux on my hard disk. Until last summer, I could get online with all three. During the summer something happened and only Windows could get me online although both versions of linux connected. I was assured by a technician at U.S. Robotics that it could not be modem if it worked with Windows. After following all suggestions offered here and consulting with a computer technician, the conclusion was that it had to be the modem. I bought a new Diamond modem and both versions of linux now get me online. Our guess is that I had a line surge that knocked out a part of the modem that linux requires, but that Windows can do without. I still have two minor problems that I may be able to work out myself. In order to get on line with Debian, I must use ppp. Minicom and wvdial connect but fail to authenticate. The other problem is something new with lilo, which I installed using Redhat. It now demands a password for Debian, but not for Redhat.
Re. Total Confusion
The lilo problem is solved . I unintentionally typed something into password that I intended for another line. pppconfig will not solve my minicom and wvdial problem. pppconfig enables pon to work and get me on line now.
Re. Total Confusion
Answers to questions posed. 1.) Why would you want to use wvdial when pon works? wvdial is just a hack that tries to avoid making you set up pon. It may be a personal peculiarity, but I like everything to work. 2.) It's been a long time since I used minicom, but am I totally wrong in thinking it's a terminal emulator? I don't think it's supposed to do ppp of any sort to begin with. What are you trying to do with it, and what's not working? That leads me to... Minicom has a dial function. It is not a terminal emulator. 3.) I think you had this problem last time you posted, and it's an issue again. Linux gives you lots of good diagnostic information: log files, verbose output from programs, etc. Rather than saying 'wvdial and minicom won't work', if you're more specific about what you're trying and what you're getting back then both you and your resopnders are less likely to get frustrated with the process. I have already answered this question today. Both wvdial and minicom connect (the log says so) but they do not authenticate when they send in the password. Oddly minicom was programmed to send both username and password, but nevertheless asked for them after it was connected.
Total Confusion End
I have tried every suggestion posted on this web site, including the latest by csj and Robert Ruzback. It seems that I have two choices: give up on linux or buy a new computer. Since my computer is less than two years old, I do not plan to buy a new computer soon. Redhat and Debian on two separate partitions have the same problem, they can get connected but do not get onto the internet. As far as I know, they have only two things in common, the same swap partition and BIOS. Since I had the same trouble with only one of these operating systems installed, I doubt that it is the swap partition causing my problem. Thanks to all of you who tried to help.
Re. Total Confusion
More answers. For Eamon Roque The last line of /etc/ppp/pap-secrets does in fact have username*password, both of which are correct. For Steve Kowalik file /boot/vmlinuztab gave me: vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17 As I comparison, I did the same thing on my Redhat partition and got; vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17 The last one was added by me in order to make lilo boot the correct Debian kernel, as I described in a previous posting. Now a question from me. Is there anything between BIOS and an operating system? How can the same difficulty appear in all versions of linux but not Windows or Beos?
Re. Total Confusion
John Hasler wrote;
This, however, is proof that you have both the kernel ppp driver and the
pppd daemon installed and working. I'd guess from what you have posted
that you have been configuring for CHAT authentication and your ISP wants
you to use PAP. Does the line of meaningless symbols include lots of '{'
or '}' characters?
Post the contents of /etc/chatscripts/provider, /etc/ppp/peers/provider,
and the output of the 'plog' command immediately after trying 'pon'.
My ISP administrator told me that our system uses PAP.
I just went back to pppconfig and verified that it is set to PAP.
The line of meaningless symbols is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re. Total Confusion
Kent West has suggested as a help to my would be helpers, I summarize where I stand now. The printer problem in Debian has been solved, with the explanation that I gave in an earlier posting. Briefly what happened was that lilo put the Redhat kernel into the Debian startup. My internet problem is that I cannot get on to the internet with any version of linux, but I can with Windows98 and Beos. This a problem that developed last summer. Until then, any version of linux that I tried worked. We have established the fact that the problem is not with my line, since my ISP administrator brought his own computer on which he had installed Redhat, plugged it into my line and got onto the internet. Using wvdial and minicom, I get connected, but then something happens and I do not get on the internet. wvdial keeps redialing, minicom stays where it is. ppp is apparently properly installed, judging by the relative logs, but pon does not work. When I type pon, I get the response proxyarp option is disabled. Given that this is a problem common to all versions of linux, it does not seem that the solution is in editing any ppp file. It almost seems that there is a failure in some part of the hardware whose only effect is to prevent linux from going online. My facititious suggestion that a gremlin who does not like linux dwells in my computer is only a bit more implausible.
Re. Total Confusion
Eamon Roque asked: Nonetheless: what does your authentification process look like? Do you require the host to authenticate itself, do you agree on a protocol ( usually in /etc/ppp/options )? The following is a list of uncommented things in /etc/ppp/options: auth crtscts modem proxyarp lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4 noipx Everything esle in this file is commented, hence not operative.
Re. Total Confusion
Andrew Perrin asked: - What's the output of lsmod? nls_cp437 lp parport_pc unix Although ppp is not here, when I type insmod ppp, the response is that I already have the newest version. - Once you connect, what's the output of: I can only use wvdial since pon won't work even though ppp is installed. pppconfig works which should be further proof that ppp is installed. With wvdial, I do not stay connected long enough to run any of your tests. The relevant sequence is: CONNECT Carrier Detected Waiting for prompt (line of meaningless symbols) Don't know what to do Starting ppp daemon ppp daemon has died Even though I can't stay connected, I tried ipchains -a. The response was invalid option. Then I tried route -n and got column headings with no entries. Your following suggestions would obviously not work when I am not connected. ipchains -a route -n nslookup www.debian.org ping -c5 198.186.203.20 traceroute 198.186.203.20 The reason that I have not been responsive is not that I don't appreciate your help, but as you can see, I cannot make anything work the way that you seem to expect.
Re.Re. Total Confusion
More information for Andrew Perrin. Using minicom, I was able to stay connected. ipchains -a invalid option route -n still headings, but no data nslookup www.debian.org nslookup command not found ping -c 198.186.203.20 ping:send to:Network is unreachable ping:wrote 198.186.203.20 (4 chars, ret=1) same thing repeated four more times 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss traceroute 198.186.203.20 traceroute:command not found
Re. Total Confusion
t 03:14 PM 6/4/01 +1000, you wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:04:43AM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx uttered: What is the output of ls -l /vmlinuz on your Debian root partition? file /boot/vmlinuz-tab Would also be very helpful. That will tell which version of the kernel you are running. But, a fubar lilo config, more than anything sounds likely. The output of ls -l /vmlinuz is: lrwxrwx 1 root root 24June3.0 01:55 /vmlinuz (right arrow) /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17 I obviously do not understand file /boot/vmlinuz-tab because I could not make it work. One important fact that I mentioned in much earlier postings is that until last summer, I could go online with any version of linux that I tried. Then, none of them would work. Since my ISP administrator has established that there is nothing wrong with my connection, the trouble has to be somewhere in my computer. Whatever the trouble, it affects all versions of linux, but Windows98 and BEOS go online.
Re. Total Confusion
Nick wrote: [snip] I have the2.2.r3 version of Debian. The full kernel description is 2.0.38-2.0.38-3. Can't comment on any of your other issues at the moment, but your kernel version *can't* be right - I'm running Debian 2.2r2 which came with kernel 2.2.18pre?, and which I've recently updated to 2.2.19 ... I got these numbers from the kernel image module on the installation disk. After reviewing this note, I went back to the disk and found other kernel versions on it, including the two that Nick gives above. At this point, I do not know which is actually installed. I tried the command kernelversion and got the response 2.2, which is no help. Using dmesg, I get linux version 2.2.14-5.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I do not know if this is the kernel version installed or not. I guess that I must ask how one finds the full kernel version.
Re. Total confusion
Steve Kowalik wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 11:06:35AM -0700, Sidney Brooks uttered: Then /sbin/modprobe -v ppp Response: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.2.14-15.0/modules.dep (No such file or directory) Run depmod -a as root to fix that particular problem. I ran depmod -a as root and got: Can't open /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/modules.dep for writing. Again the number seems to indicate my kernel version is 2.2.14, which it shouldn't be. However, I do not know enough about kernels to be sure.
Re. Total Confusion
Thanks to Steve Kowalik, who wrote the following, the problem if not the solution is becoming clear. On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 09:35:35PM -0700, Sidney Brooks uttered: I ran depmod -a as root and got: Can't open /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/modules.dep for writing. Again the number seems to indicate my kernel version is 2.2.14, which it shouldn't be. However, I do not know enough about kernels to be sure. E, that's a RedHat kernel version. The words What have you done spring to mind. I'd double check your lilo config and make sure you're running a _Debian_ kernel. (The depmod error means you don't have any modules for that kernel version installed, if you were wondering) -- Steve I have Windows on partition hda1, Redhat on hda6, and Debian on hda8. Because of what Steve wrote, I did uname -a for Redhat and got 2.2.14-5.0. It seems that when I install Debian, it grabs the Redhat kernel instead of installing its own. The only link is that I am using the same swap partiton for both. Now what?
Re. Total Confusion
Thanks to good advice here, I have solved my printer problem. When it became clear that lilo was loading the wrong kenel, I removed Debian and Redhat from my computer. I then cleaned out mbr. I reinstalled Debian. The kernel is now 2.2.19 pre17. I used the echo method and it printed. Hoping for a magic solution to my internet problem, I tried wvdial. However, the same thing happens, it connects and dies.
Re. Total Confusion
Answers to recent questions. After using wvdial, the contents of /var/log/messages: syslog 1.3-3# 33.1: restart Output of lsmod: ppp Size 203000 When I give command pon, I just get: /usr/sbin/pppd: proxyarp option is disabled. It is not clear to me what is meant by -am line in /etc/ppp/options. The only -am line that I can find is part of a paragraph.
Re. Total Confusion
In case it may be of help to someone in the future, this is how I got into my printer troubles. I installed Windows98, Redhat 6.2, and Debian Potato on three separate partitions of my hard drive. I dutifully made boot floppies for Redhat and Debian. However, Redhat gives you no choice about lilo, it installs it whether you want it or not. It can be removed by using fdisk /mbr in Windows, but I decided that as long as I had it, I would add Debian to it. I used linuxconf in Redhat, entered the Debian partition,and the location in Debian, i.e. /boot/vmlinuz2.2.19pre17. Linuxconf refused to accept it. I then remembered that in some earlier linux installations, lilo insisted on vmlinuz without anything else. Therefore, I changed vmlinuz2.2.19pre17 to vmlinuz and linuxconf accepted it. Using lilo, I booted into Debian and saw the Debian programs. What I didn't know was that lilo took the vmlinuz from the Redhat boot directory not the Debian boot directory. It did not care that it had been referred to the Debian partition. I thus ended up with the Redhat kernel and Debian accessories, which didn't work together. Subsequently, I learned that a could copy vmlinuz2.219pre17 from the Debian boot directory to the Redhat boot directory and then use the full name in linuxconf. With this lilo boots each of the three operating systems correctly. Why I can't get onto the internet with either version of linux remains a mystery. At the moment, I still feel that it is a BIOS problem, but I can't find anything to change.
Re: Total Confusion
Answer to questions by Kent West. The printer does not work. The echo test failed. Printer does work with Redhat, therefore is not win-printer. Possibility of damage by lightning strike. Modem works with Windows and Beos. My ISP administrator used his own modem. Minicom says Connected press any key to continue. CONNECT 45300 random numbers wvdial reports: CONNECT 48000/ARQ Connected detected. Waiting for prompt. random numbers Don't know what to do. PPP daemon has died. PPP After configuring PPP, I get message This system lacks kernel support for ppp. Then /sbin/modprobe -v ppp Response: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.2.14-15.0/modules.dep (No such file or directory) I do not have another modem that would work with linux. Answers to John Hassler. Can't do ppp things for reasons described above. For /proc/parport, I get no such file or directory. Output for cat /proc/ioports: serial (set) 02f8-02ff nothing for parallel port or printer
Re. Total Confusion
More answers. when I ran ismod parport, the response was ismod command not found. I ran pppconfig in the standard way, ending with the write and finish command.I then ran pon and got (it is verbose): ioctl(TIOCSETU):Invalid argument (22) /usr/bin/ppp: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the PPP kernel module could not be loaded or because PPP was not included in the kernel configuration:If PPP was included as a module try '/sbin/modprobe -v ppp'. If that fails check t (It ended there) I then ran apt-get install ppp with the response, Sorry, ppp is already the newest version. I then tried the /sbin/mod... and had the same unsuccessful result as before. I have yet to try the latest suggestion about the kernel. But, I am having the same trouble with Redhat, which is mounted on a separate partition of the computer. It seems unlikely that they both have kernel problems. I even thought that somehow the fact that they both used the same swap partition could be the cause. However, then why would the printer work with Redhat but not Debian? I would like to respond faster, but I have to communicate with Windows, then switch to Debian to try suggestions. Thanks for all the help.
Re. Total Confusion
This is a response to Lance Simmons. When I reinstalled Debian yesterday, I installed the modules in the order that you give: parport, parport_pc, and lp. After each I got the message installation succeeded. Is there any point in going through the insmod sequence?
Re. Total Confusion
To: Eamon Roque The logs that you want are in my 11:06 AM 6/2/01 posting. I cannot echo anything. To: Jonathan D. Pro(rest not printed in my email) Redhat problems with dialing, e.g. kppp, gnome-ppp ,are the same as with Debian. As far as I know, Redhat does not have the ppp module. The printer works properly in Redhat not Debian.
Re: Printer woes
I attempted to follow the installation guide written by Mark Stone. When I got to the module installation, I tried to install the lp module. Using the autoprobe, the message was installation failed. I then looked up my printer data in Windows: input/output range 0378-037B input/output range 0778-077b irq=7 I tried entering every variation of this information manually and always got the message installation failed. NOW WHAT DO I DO?
Total confusion
I have written a couple of times about my two problems, namely that Debian will not recognize that I have a printer connected and that I can connect to my ISP but can't get on to the internet. Here is some more information. The printer and internet connection work with Windows. The printer works in Redhat, but I cannot get connected to the internet. Neither printer nor internet connection works with Debian. My ISP administrator finally came to my house with his computer and using Redhat connected to the internet over my line. I have reset my BIOS to factory defaults. I can't think of anything else to check. Does anybody have any ideas or do we assume that a gremlin resides in my computer and hates linux.
Re. Total confusion
In answer to some questions. My ISP connection is dialup. When I try to install the lp module in the debian install process, I get the message installation failed. I think that I succeeded at one time afterward using apt-get. It still didn't work.I tried dmesg and no printer was shown. Testing with echo hello /dev/lp0 does not use /etc/printcap. However, I have used magicfilter and apsfilter with no success.
Re. Total confusion
More information. I have tried minicom, kppp, gnome -ppp, wvdial, and pppconfig. They all dial and get connected to my ISP. None get me on to the internet. As for my printer problem, I think that the facts that the printer is absent from dmesg and the echo test failed, shows that higher programs like magicfilter are not the cure and /etc/printcap doesn't matter. It acts like some weird failure in the machine architecture. I am suspicious of the BIOS settings, but can find nothing to change.
Re. Total Confusion
I would like to make the following observation in response to some of the suggestions that I have read. In response to my persistence, my ISP administrator, who is not interested in linux, set up Redhat linux on his computer, doing nothing but a straightforward installation with none of the subtleties that various people suggested here. He used kppp because I told him that was what I was using with my Redhat. He plugged into my line and got connected to the internet. We then matched every one of his settings in kppp on my computer and I had the usual failure to get on to the internet after connecting. For whatever it is worth, and I really don't think that it is worth much, when I mentioned minicom, he said that it wouldn't work with our system. My guess is that he really doesn't know much about minicom. Somewhere in my computer, something is set wrong. I would think that it would have to be the BIOS, because I do not think that the trouble is in Debian. Otherwise, lots of people would have my troubles. But,I don't know how to correct the problem. For the record, my parallel port and serial port are enabled in the BIOS.
Re. Total Confusion
In response to a suggestion, I installed the parport and parport_pc modules. After that I was able to install the lp module. Unfortunately, after going through this whole new installation of Debian, the result was the same. The printer does not appear in dmesg and the echo system for printing did not work.
Re. Total Confusion
Following your suggestions, I have installed the parport and lp modules and changed the BIOS to make the parallel port bidirectional. Windows recognized the printer port change. Debian still will not print. When using echo to tell it to print, it says no such device to both /lp0 and /lp1. As for the ping suggestion, I think that I tried it about a week ago without success. The clue that I do not know how to use is that my ISP administrator had no trouble connecting his computer through my line to the internet.
Re. Total Confusion
Here are answers to some of the questions that helpful people have posed. About two hours ago, I installed Debian anew. It was during this installation that I added the modules parport, etc. . The message at the time of installation was installation successful. I have successfully installed and used earlier versions of Debian and am familiar with pppconfig. I know that I am connected because the log says so. I also have an external, U.S. Robotics, 56K modem, which lights up and used to work with any version of linux that I tried, not only Debian and Redhat, but Mandrake, and others. I have the2.2.r3 version of Debian. The full kernel description is 2.0.38-2.0.38-3. Even though there has been no break through yet, I appreciate all suggestions.
Printer woes
After writing of my printer troubles several days ago and following every suggestion without success, I decided that my problem was that I had a vendor version of Debian potato. I then bought an official version and my Debian program still will not print. I have Windows, Redhat, and Debian on three different partitions of my computer. With the same hardware, Windows and Redhat print without any problems. However, Debian does not recognize that a printer is connected to my computer. Although I have established this fact in several ways, the simplest is: ~# echo hello /dev/lp0 Response no such device ~# echo hello /dev/lp1 Response no such device. Can anybody tell me what is wrong?
Re: Printer
When I tried modprobe lp, as suggested, I got the message: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/modules. (no such file or directory) I am just about ready to give up on Debian 2.2. I did not have this kind of trouble with earlier versions of Debian. What I really don't understand is why I seem to be the only one with this printing problem. There is nothing special about my computer or its set-up.
Re: Printer
I have the 2.2.17 kernel, but get the error message that I previously gave with modprobe lp. For the record, I do have RedHat on another partition and the printing works perfectly. I got my Debian disks from Cheap Bytes (from which I also got Redhat, which works). I doubt that they could have done anything to foul up Debian 2.2.
Printer
I have already discussed my woes under Two Problems. I have now changed from magicfilter to apsfilter. When I tried to print the test page, I received the message: /dev/lp0 : no such device. The device /lp0 appears in the /dev directory. It seems that the failure of the system to recognize my printer may be the problem. How do I resolve this? It is not the printer connection, for the printer works properly with Windows and worked with an older version of Debian.
More 2 problems
If anybody can tell me what to do, I now have more information on my problems. Printer problem: I use magicfilterconfig to configure /etc/printcap. After finishing the configuration, I get these messages: Use of unintialized value at /usr/bin/magicfilterconfig line 216,STDIN Chunk 6 217 Stopping printer spooler lpd. When I typed in lpd, to start it again, nothing happened. Internet problem: This is the text after the first routine stuff: ATDP 8475110 Connect 48000/ARQ Connect detected. Waiting for prompt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't know what to do. Starting pppd and hoping for the best. Starting ppp (followed by date and time) PPP daemon has died (exit code = 4) It seems to be expecting something from my ISP that it does not get. My ISP administrator was of no help when I brought up the matter.
