Problems with TV card "TeVii S472"
Hi all,
I've got a DVB-S2 PCI-Express tv card ("Tevii S472", http://tevii.com/P
roducts_S472_1.asp) with Debian testing, but I'm not able to get it
work.
On TeVii's webpage there is a linux driver availible (http://tevii.com/
Support.asp), but if I try to compile the driver, it says that my
kernel version isn't supported.
The PCIe bridge is cx23885, the demodulator is m88ds3103 and I assume
that the RF Tuner is m88ts2020.
The kernel messages just say:
> $ dmesg | grep dvb
> $ dmesg | grep cx23885
> [8.295142] cx23885[0]:card=46 - DVBSky T980C
> [8.295143] cx23885[0]:card=47 - DVBSky S950C
> [8.295143] cx23885[0]:card=48 - Technotrend TT-budget
> CT2-4500 CI
> [8.295144] cx23885[0]:card=49 - DVBSky S950
> [8.295145] cx23885[0]:card=50 - DVBSky S952
> [8.295145] cx23885[0]:card=51 - DVBSky T982
> [8.295146] cx23885[0]:card=52 - Hauppauge WinTV-HVR5525
> [8.295147] cx23885[0]:card=53 - Hauppauge WinTV Starburst
> [8.295159] CORE cx23885[0]: subsystem: d472:9022, board:
> UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]
> [8.47] cx23885_dev_checkrevision() Hardware revision = 0xa5
> [8.422230] cx23885[0]/0: found at :03:00.0, rev: 4, irq: 19,
> latency: 0, mmio: 0xf7c0
> $ dmesg | grep ds3103
> $ dmesg | grep ts2020
The firmware (dvb-fe-ds3103.fw) was copied to /lib/firmware.
Regards,
Hendrik
Re: Laptops, UEFI, Secure Boot and Debian
On Sun, 24 May 2015 07:50:58 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: But will it become something to watch out for when buying new hardware? Most certainly, at least for a period of time. I have a sneaking suspicion that it might become a bigger problem for laptop users than for desktop users, although I'm unable to back that up. For those of us who prefer to build their own machines, I think it will be much less of a problem. everything about compatibility having to do with laptops is *always* more of a problem than desktops. -- hendrik
Looking for document and file organisation tools
What free software is there in the way of organizing lots of documents? To be more precise, the ones I *need* to organize are the files on hard drives, though if I could include documents I have elsewhere (bookshelves and photocopy files) I wouldn't mind. They are text documents in a variety of file formats and languages, source code for current and obsolete systems, jpeg images, film clips, drawings, SVG files, files, object code, shared libraries, fragments of drafts of books, ragged software documentation, works in progress ... And I'm not looking for one single solution that will do everything I'd like. Indeed, I suspect that's impossible without building an entirely new OS. Which I'm not likely to find off the shelf, nor am I likely to be able to do it myself in the few decades I may have left in my life. And even if it were feasible, there's probably a lot of research to be done before we even know what such a thing should actually do. Of course the files are already semi-organized in directories. But I haven't yet managed to find a suitable collection of directory names. Hierarchical classification isn't ideal -- there are files that fit in several categories, and there are a lot files that have to be in a particular location because of the way they are used (executables in a bin directory, for example) or the way they are updated or maintained. Of course the taxonomists would advise setting up a controlled vocabulary of tags and attaching tags to the various files. I'd end up with triples store or some other database describing files. But how to identify the files being tagged? A file-system pathname isn't enough. Files get moved, and sometimes entire directory trees full of files get moved from one place to another for various pragmatic reasons. And a hashcode isn't enough. files get edited, upgraded, recompiled, reformatted, converted from JIS code to UTF-8, and so forth. Images get cropped and colour-corrected. And under these changes they should keep their assigned classification tags. Now a number of file formats can accommodate metadata. And some software that manipulates files can preserve metadata and even allow user editing of the metadata. But more doesn't. Much of it could perhaps be done by auttomatic content analysis. Other material may require labour-intensive manual classification. No I don't expect to see any off-the-shelf solution for all of this. But does anyone have ideas as to how to accomplish even some of this? Even poorly? Does anyone know of relevant practical tools? Or have ideas towards tools that *should* exist but currently don't? I'm ready to experiment. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/md4q33$ib1$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Cheap way to track disk usage?
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 09:55:46 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 10:09:41AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I can run du, but that takes ages, and has a performance impact. df only gives the total for the filesystem, of course. Try ncdu. It also takes some time to finish calculating, but the output is easier to handle and you can drill down to lower directories without losing the other data. Also, if it's useful to you, you can separate out the gathering and displaying tasks with ncdu. So you could, for example, run ionice -c3 ncdu -o ~/ncdu-output late at night (or when the system is relatively quiet) and then, in the morning run ncdu -f ~/ncdu-output to examine the file that was produced by the overnight run. Can do something similar with du and xdu. The output of du can diverted to a file, running overnight, and then afterward, xdu can take it as input ad display it nicely. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/md54tj$ib1$2...@ger.gmane.org
random bits in badblocks
The option -t random specifies that the block should be filled with a random bit pattern. Now, just how random is that bit pattern. Does it choose a random byte and fill the entire hard drive with it? Does it make up a random disk block and write that to the whole disk? Or does each block get its own randomly chosen data, presumably generated by a pseudorandom generator so as to catch bad seeks? In this case, is the seed always the same, so I could take a disk I wrote on with -t random and check it next week, the computer being off in between? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m5gbi3$m22$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:17:24 -0800, seeker5528 wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:03 PM, Doug wrote: Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants to be activated and I found that GParted's activation does not suffice.That's why I mentioned obtaining a program to activate Windows. If you only have one computer, you should get that before you mess around. (I don't pretend to know why this happens, only that it does. That's why there are programs available to take care of that problem.) --doug Windows activation is a separate issue, but I'm assuming you meant... Windows needs to be on the active partition. Setting the partition flag to bootable/active in gparted works fine for this. My laptop uses the old BIOS with an MBR. I understand gparted converts the driver to the new partition structure. Can XP handle that? It's the PBR (Partition Boot Record) that is the issue. If I remember correctly using the copy/paste feature in gparted to copy the partition to the new drive will copy the PBR, if someone knows different please correct me. Would dd'ing the entire partition suffice? As long as the new partition is the same size or slightly larger? If you need to write a new PBR. Booting off the XP install disk, going to the recovery console and using the fixboot command will write a new PBR. No XP install disk. Any chance of using the old Windows XP to do this to the new drive when it's on a USBtoIDE interface? Well, I might be able to find an XP disk somewhere, but it won't be for the same version of XP. Booting from Vista or Windows 7 install disk, going into the recovery tools, command prompt, and using the bootsect command also works bootsect /? for a list of options. Bootsect has an option for writing an XP compatible PBR. Might work. I'll have to see if I can find such a Windows disk. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m5gr0m$m22$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:14:25 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Pascal Hambourg a écrit : Hendrik Boom a écrit : Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. 2) If Windows boots from UEFI, I suppose that the original disk partition table is in the GPT format. This format stores two copies of the GPT header, one at the beginning (primary header) and one at the end of the disk (secondary header). Each header has a pointer to the other, so in a way the primary header has a reference to the end of the disk where the secondary header is located. So, if you use dd to copy the whole disk, the secondary header will not be at the end of the new disk. Maybe tools such as gdisk can fix this. Looking more carefully, there is more than just the address of the secondary GPT header. The GPT header contains also the last usable address for partitions which is near the end of the disk, just before the secondary partition table. Also, the protective MBR contains a GPT partition of the size of the disk - up to 2 TiB due to limitations of the MBR partition table format. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table However, parted will detect that the disk is bigger than the partition table reports and ask to fix it. gdisk allows to fix it too. The laptop now uses MBR partitions. Since the new drive is only 2T, I don't expect to need GPT. Thanks for the details, though I won't need to worry about these until my *next* hard disk enlargement. And ... will Windows XP know what to do with GPT? But maybe by then I will have successfully left Windows, even for the very last commercial applications. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4sjl5$10c$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:29:20PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have a laptop (an old Asus EEEPC), and I need to replace its only disk drive with a larger one. The hardware aspects are easy -- keep static electricity away and use a screwdriver. I have the new drive on my desk already. And it's not hard to copy the file systems, either. I can temporarily access the new drive using a USB adaptor. fdisk and the lvm utilities will create the new partitions and then I copy, using dd or rsync or tar/ untar or even cp --archive. Perhaps a recursive checksum script afterward just in case. It's currently a dual boot between Debian Jessie and Windows XP. I can copy the Windows partition using ntfs-3g. Or maybe dd if that fails. Windows XP comes with the usual C: drive (/dev/sda1), a hidden Windows partition (/dev/sda3), and en EFI paritition (/dev/sda4). All of Linux hides out in the so-called extended partition (/dev/sda2). I have no idea what Windows does with the space at the start of the drive before he first partition. Presumably grub messes with this space, too. But I'm concerned about installing the bootloader. I presumably have to do this before I actually swap drives, or the machine won't boot. Currently I'm using grub-legacy to boot. Actually, grub2. Presumably I'll want the configuration file in the new system to be pretty well the same as the old, but there may have to be changes. And when I'm installing the boot loader it's got to set everything up to refer to the new disk drive even though when that gets used it will be in a different electronic location on the machine. (it'll be /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb) If you use UUIDs instead of /dev/sd??, you avoid the issue of locations changing. If the new /dev/sda drive has GRUB in the MBR, I believe you should be able to boot from the command line in any case. Grub can boot Windows just fine. regards, Joel So I create partitions, copy all the files, edit my grub--config to add stanzas just like the existing ones but with the new UUIDs (possibly changing menu entries by adding 'old' or 'new'), copy *it* to to the new drive too, and then grub-install /dev/sdb or whatever the new drive happens to be at the moment. If necessary (thought from what you say it probably won't be), repeat this after the new drive has been properly installed in the machine so it can still find Windows. And there shouldn't be any show-stopping gotchas. Just minor ones from miscopying UUIDs and the like. Normal debugging. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4snt2$jbg$1...@ger.gmane.org
systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:54:56 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 05/11/2014 17:02, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Miles, Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.32:57 Miles Fidelman a écrit : [If you're happy with systemd, and not considering a change - please stay out of this discussion. If you object to the very nature of the discussion, hit your delete key and kill file this thread now.] I object to the very nature of this discussion on debian-user: it's not _at_all_ on-topic for this list. I'm not happy either with you suggesting that people finding this thread off-topic should kill file this thread. This list will only stay useful for Debian users seeking community assistance and support iff the discussions stay focused on providing this community assistance and support. +1 I am a Debian Jessie user whose system has started acting up in mild ways that may be related to systemd. I have found that replacing tools that use systemd with others that don't has soled some of these problems. I don't know whether in the future these issues will get better or worse. I'm hoping for better, but I'd like to be prepared for worse. At the moment I have removed systemd from my jessie system. It is, despite the absence of systemd, a Debian Jessie system. In fact, refracta, one of the so-called forks that avoids systemd, actuallu uses Debian's own Jessie package repositories. It isn't a fork, but more a different way of using Jessie from that installed by default by the current Jessie installer. It is still Jessie, and as far as I can tell, a Jessie syste taht uses systemv init is still a Jessie system. As a Debian Jessie *user* I find the community support I'm getting in threads like this quite valuable. For now, I know how to continue using Jessie. And I know what escape hatches I have if the situation gets much worse. When I stay at a hotel, I often check whether the fire escape works, even though if I were really expecting a fire I'd stay at a different hotel. Maybe in the future I'll be using systemd again. Maybe not. Maybe I'll continue using systemv init, because it does seem to be policy for that to continue to be viable, whether default or not, and whether there are packages taht cannot run without it. But it is absurd to say that discussing these real problems faced by Debian users, and their potential remedies, is off topic in the debian- user mailing list. There are lots of topics on this list that aren't relevant to me. But if they are relevant to other users I' not going to declare them off topic. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4r3uc$o6n$1...@ger.gmane.org
replacing boot and only disk drive
I have a laptop (an old Asus EEEPC), and I need to replace its only disk drive with a larger one. The hardware aspects are easy -- keep static electricity away and use a screwdriver. I have the new drive on my desk already. And it's not hard to copy the file systems, either. I can temporarily access the new drive using a USB adaptor. fdisk and the lvm utilities will create the new partitions and then I copy, using dd or rsync or tar/ untar or even cp --archive. Perhaps a recursive checksum script afterward just in case. It's currently a dual boot between Debian Jessie and Windows XP. I can copy the Windows partition using ntfs-3g. Or maybe dd if that fails. Windows XP comes with the usual C: drive (/dev/sda1), a hidden Windows partition (/dev/sda3), and en EFI paritition (/dev/sda4). All of Linux hides out in the so-called extended partition (/dev/sda2). I have no idea what Windows does with the space at the start of the drive before he first partition. Presumably grub messes with this space, too. But I'm concerned about installing the bootloader. I presumably have to do this before I actually swap drives, or the machine won't boot. Currently I'm using grub-legacy to boot. Presumably I'll want the configuration file in the new system to be pretty well the same as the old, but there may have to be changes. And when I'm installing the boot loader it's got to set everything up to refer to the new disk drive even though when that gets used it will be in a different electronic location on the machine. (it'll be /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb) What are the gotchas that are easy to get wrong in an operation like this? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4r68g$o6n$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:29:20 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have a laptop (an old Asus EEEPC), and I need to replace its only disk drive with a larger one. The hardware aspects are easy -- keep static electricity away and use a screwdriver. I have the new drive on my desk already. And it's not hard to copy the file systems, either. I can temporarily access the new drive using a USB adaptor. fdisk and the lvm utilities will create the new partitions and then I copy, using dd or rsync or tar/ untar or even cp --archive. Perhaps a recursive checksum script afterward just in case. It's currently a dual boot between Debian Jessie and Windows XP. I can copy the Windows partition using ntfs-3g. Or maybe dd if that fails. Windows XP comes with the usual C: drive (/dev/sda1), a hidden Windows partition (/dev/sda3), and en EFI paritition (/dev/sda4). All of Linux hides out in the so-called extended partition (/dev/sda2). I have no idea what Windows does with the space at the start of the drive before he first partition. Presumably grub messes with this space, too. But I'm concerned about installing the bootloader. I presumably have to do this before I actually swap drives, or the machine won't boot. Currently I'm using grub-legacy to boot. OOPS! It's grub2, not grub-legacy. Presumably I'll want the configuration file in the new system to be pretty well the same as the old, but there may have to be changes. And when I'm installing the boot loader it's got to set everything up to refer to the new disk drive even though when that gets used it will be in a different electronic location on the machine. (it'll be /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb) What are the gotchas that are easy to get wrong in an operation like this? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4r6hp$o6n$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:04:52 -0500, Doug wrote: ... You may find that Windows won't boot. There are a number of ways to fix that. If you have a real install disk, I think that will work. Or Google for Windows won't boot after copy, or something like that. There are a couple of free programs that will fix it. Unfortunately, I can't give you any better details than that--I went thru it last Spring. If you have to fix the Windows booter, it will surely destroy your Linux boot setup, so you'll need a live Linux disk to get back to that. It's all a pain, but it's doable. (I'm thinking of doing the same basic thing myself, to put a SSD in my laptop.) Good luck! --doug Where does Windows keep its boot information, anyway? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4rlml$6pf$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:45:38 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Gary Dale a écrit : On 22/11/14 06:29 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: And it's not hard to copy the file systems, either. I can temporarily access the new drive using a USB adaptor. fdisk and the lvm utilities will create the new partitions and then I copy, using dd or rsync or tar/ [...] Have you considered getting a USB case for your new drive and doing dd from your current drive to the new one? Afterward you can install the new drive then boot from gparted/rescue disk and resize your partitions. If the original disk already uses LVM, no need to resize partitions. Just create another PV in the extra space. dd-ing the whole drive would lead to the extra space being after all four partitions. Unfortunately, it's the second partition that contains the LVM stuff. I'd end up having to move partitions 3 and 4 to the end of the disk to get the space int partition 2 where it's needed. I have no idea whether Windows cares about whether the hidden and the EFI partitions re actually partitions 3 and 4. But dding the start of the disk, enough to copy the entire windows partition and the stuff before the first one might be a good idea. Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. And it;s the space before the first partition which is likely to contain the crucial boot information that Windows might want. That ans the EFI partition, of course. It's possible that this might not work well if the hard drive has significantly different fake geometry. It's just possible that some things still have to start on cylinder boundaries, however undefined those are nowadays. It will contain information about partitions 2, 3, and 4, which I can delete and change with fdisk. And then still copy partitions 3 and 4 with dd some some such. I think those partitions are FAT partitions of some flavour. The EFI has to be if it conforms to standards. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4rmc2$6pf$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:22:46 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 09 nov 14, 04:05:56, Hendrik Boom wrote: I've started to have trouble mounting the NTFS partition on my machine from Linux. No problem doing this in Windows, of course. I used to be able to mount it from the file manager after entering the root password. Starting a month or so ago, the file manager would tantalizingly show me the partition but refuse to let me mount it because I didn't have the proveleges. I can't comment on this since you didn't mention which file manager. It's the file manager provided by xfce. I don't know which one that is. Ah... When I started it just now, before the window title said File Manager, for a brief moment it said Thunar. I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items. Finally, it stopped even showing me that partition. Of course I can still log in as root and mount it from the command line, copy any files from it, and chown them to myself. But it is unnecessarily awkward. If this is not a removable drive you might want to use something like this in your fstab: /dev/sdaX /media/ntfs ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=113,dmask=002 Works for me. But just for me. But there are several /dev/sd* that might be involved (being dynamically assigned and all), several file system (but setting the file system to auto might work), and several users. Still, it would help. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3nrrr$cit$1...@ger.gmane.org
Has the systemd fork already happened?
I just encountered a link about refracta. Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing. Its home page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ At http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is described as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned). Anybody know more? Does it use Debian's repositories? Are there any other forks? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3nsab$cit$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +, Brian wrote: On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I just encountered a link about refracta. Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing. Its home page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer questions such as yours. :) True. But they're more likely to give answers that match their party line. I'll get to hear the other side here. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3ob78$sij$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 20:27:56 +, Brian wrote: On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 18:19:21 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +, Brian wrote: On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I just encountered a link about refracta. Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing. Its home page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer questions such as yours. :) True. But they're more likely to give answers that match their party line. I'll get to hear the other side here. So questions and comments specific to Refracta should be directed to a Debian list to avoid their party line. I suppose it follows that similar questions and comments specific to Debian are better put on the Refracta forum to sidestep any possible biased answers from here. Come to think of it, such a strategy could benefit -user by leading to a great reduction in init focussed discussion traffic. :) From what I've heard since I made the original post, it turns out to be a lot closer to Debian than I originally thought. It seems they use Debian's repositories, along with some extra of their own. It would appear to be much closer to Debian than, say, to Ubuntu. I'd say it's almost, but not quite, a Debian blend. Now I'll wait for someone to correct me. :) -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3pac2$8em$1...@ger.gmane.org
How *not* to concatenate my domain name?
When I do a web search from my laptop, connected via wifi to my server and then too the rest of the world, if it for any reason fails to find, say, aspidistraonion.com, it ends up giving me the IP number of my own server, and thus the wrong web page. This can happen because of a temporary network problem, and if I'm using chrome, it puts the wrong IP number into its own DNS cache, and the cache remains poisoned for a long time. (anyone know how to remove things from the chrome's DNS cache, by the way?) Now I suspect the cause is that my DNS lookup appends .topoi.pooq.com to every unsuccessful search, in case I'm looking for something on my LAN. And then it does find 69.165.131.134, which is the externally known gateway IP number for everything on the LAN. (let the server figure out where the packet really goes). I suspect this dates back to installation time, when I was separately asked for the machine's name (notlookedfor) and the domain name (topoi.pooq.com), presumably so it could set up this alleged convenience. Is there any way to get my local DNS lookup *not* to append the wider domain name to anything (or, at least, to anything already containing a dot)? I'm running a jessie system with systemv init and systemd-shim, in case it matters. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3lokd$qg2$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: How *not* to concatenate my domain name?
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 04:57:57AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/09 3:50 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com: When I do a web search from my laptop, connected via wifi to my server and then too the rest of the world, if it for any reason fails to find, say, aspidistraonion.com, it ends up giving me the IP number of my own server, and thus the wrong web page. [...] Are you familiar with the function of /etc/hosts ? That would seem adequate for understanding the short, local names. But it's not what I want. I don't actually really need the short local names, and I'm quite willing to give them up. What I don't want is for it to concatenate '.topoi.pooq.com' onto *other* names. Unless I'm missing something important, it doesn't seem that /etc/hosts is relevant to this. -- hendrik For the record, this is my /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 notlookedfor.topoi.pooq.com notlookedfor # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ip6-allnodes ff02::2 ip6-allrouters -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141108204126.ga31...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm? -- SOLVED
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:15:51 +, Brian wrote: On Thu 06 Nov 2014 at 11:14:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 06 nov 14, 03:58:13, Hendrik Boom wrote: I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with different user ids. So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in as another, independent user, without me having to log out first. This is usually called switch user. A quick web search seems to indicate lightdm might be able to support it, but can't help any further. As far as I understand gdm+Gnome should be able to do it. xdm can do it. Adapting its approach: Go to Seat configuration in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Uncomment [Seat:0] and after this line put xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :0 vt07 -nolisten -tcp Add [Seat:1] xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :1 vt08 -nolisten -tcp Yes, that worked beautifully. Thank you. And I presume the same thing (but wiith a different config file) would work if I were ever to switch to xdm. -- hendrik -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3mmvb$oaj$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:32:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: If you're unhappy with systemd (and it's associated ecosystem), and/or with the directions that it's taking Debian (and/or large portions of the Linux ecosystem): I don't actually know how unhappy I am with systemd. I do know it seems to be causing a lot of churn in Linux, and I don't much like churn. I'm a bit inclined to try and sit it out until things stabilize. My server is sitting on the shore by using wheezy, but having jessie on my laptop puts me in the rapids. 1. What are your issues, reasons for doing so - general and/or specific? I've had trouble with passwords in the network-manager starting a few months ago. I tried a few other wifi connectivity tools, and ended up with wicd. What was different about wicd was that (i) it worked, and (ii) it was independent of systemd. I don't know whether the introduction of expansion of systemd had anything to do with my problems. I've started to have trouble mounting the NTFS partition on my machine from Linux. No problem doing this in Windows, of course. I used to be able to mount it from the file manager after entering the root password. Starting a month or so ago, the file manager would tantalizingly show me the partition but refuse to let me mount it because I didn't have the proveleges. Finally, it stopped even showing me that partition. Of course I cann still log in as root and mount it from the command line, copy any files from it, and chown them to myself. But it is unnecessarily awkward. I understand systemd had involved itselg with permissions. Could this be relevant? I have the same problem with usb sticks -- having to be root to use them. Again, I have no idea whether the architecture changes caused by systemd has any relevance to this, but the general level of paranoia that is starting to exist makes me suspicious, perhaps unjustly. 2. What are you considering, evaluating, or otherwise thinking about? What I've done is removed systemd from my system, though I still have systemd-shim and libsystemd0, and systemd and libsystemd-login0 are absennt but still configured. Still, although systemd-shim is not systemd, it serves to accomodate other system components that have been addapted to systemd, and so systemd still has indirect influence on my system. I never use the current gnome anyway, and I've already replaced gdm with lightdm, so dumping systemd wasn't a really big deal. I plan to wait out the chaos with or without systemd until things settle down. Who knows? Maybe systemd will actually work reliably someday! There may be some apparent settling down as jessie enters code-freeze and becomes stable. I do worry about testing going much crazier than usual after it spawns a stable jessie next year. Of course if systemd continues to execresce into the rest of the system, it will be a long wait. If the siuation becomes intolerable, I may switch to one of the BSD kernels, or another distro entirely, such as funtoo, gentoo, or back to the slackware that I started using Linux with more than a decade ago, back when it was distributed on a CD but the installation instructions still told me to use floppy disks. Remember those days? 3.What other options/initiatives are you aware of that you've discarded or otherwise are not considering, and why? I'm not going back to Windows, OS/2, or DOS. Except maybe in emulation for really ancient legacy applications, such as Zoombinis. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3mp74$oaj$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: How *not* to concatenate my domain name?
On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:05:05 +, Joe wrote: On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:49:50 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: When I do a web search from my laptop, connected via wifi to my server and then too the rest of the world, if it for any reason fails to find, say, aspidistraonion.com, it ends up giving me the IP number of my own server, and thus the wrong web page. This can happen because of a temporary network problem, and if I'm using chrome, it puts the wrong IP number into its own DNS cache, and the cache remains poisoned for a long time. (anyone know how to remove things from the chrome's DNS cache, by the way?) Now I suspect the cause is that my DNS lookup appends .topoi.pooq.com to every unsuccessful search, in case I'm looking for something on my LAN. And then it does find 69.165.131.134, which is the externally known gateway IP number for everything on the LAN. (let the server figure out where the packet really goes). I suspect this dates back to installation time, when I was separately asked for the machine's name (notlookedfor) and the domain name (topoi.pooq.com), presumably so it could set up this alleged convenience. Is there any way to get my local DNS lookup *not* to append the wider domain name to anything (or, at least, to anything already containing a dot)? I'm running a jessie system with systemv init and systemd-shim, in case it matters. -- hendrik What DNS server is your laptop consulting? Do you have a local BIND or similar running on a server, or are you forwarding requests to your Internet router, which in turn will forward to your ISP? A default DNS search domain can come from more than one location, on a workstation you would typically find it in /etc/resolv.conf, but this should only be appended to bare hostnames, never to an existing FQDN. My /etc/resolv.conf files always contain a search domain name, and I've never seen a DNS failure try to append it to anything but a hostname. I ask because an increasing number of routers, particularly those supplied by ISPs, are now taking it upon themselves to take some kind of action of their own if a DNS lookup fails, instead of passing on the authoritative DNS server's failure message as they should, so your browser can tell you what really happened. It may not be your laptop which is causing the problem. I appear to be using Google's DNS. hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf domain topoi.pooq.com search topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ As far as I know, I've let Debian install its preferred packages for DNS lookup, and haven't interfered with it. The system has been continually upgraded as testing since the days of wheezy, and possibly earlier. For the record, I do have packages libbind9-90, bind9-host, libdns100, libbind9-80, libdns-export100, libnss-mdns, libapache2-mod-dnssd, dnsmasq- base, dnsutils, libdns81, libdns88, libnss3, libnss-mdnsbut, libcurl3- nss, libnss3-1d, libnss3-dev, but not package bind9 itself. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3mqol$oaj$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 16:16:38 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: That didn't even cross my mind. American? Or just your circle? His circle. Would the Tea Party concur? That meaning of out being at the top of the mind is more a San Francisco sort of thing. Possibly a Montreal thing, too. But despite being a Montrealer, the originally intended meaning of 'out' was still at the top of my mind. Here we too say, 'I'm out' as a statement of nonparticipation. Or possibly winning or losing in a game, as in Rummy or baseball. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3mru0$kgb$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:16:45 -0500, golinux wrote: On Tue, 10/28/14, lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote: Subject: Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this... To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014, 2:54 PM I am considering Funtoo. I would rather stay free of systemd. The problem is that this is already pretty much impossible. Hard but not impossible. See this list. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 Funtoo is on there as as well as Debian-based Refracta which just posted a systemd-free 'Proto-Refracta Jessie with sysvinit' iso (without libsystemd0): Does Refracta mean that the long-wanted systemd0free Debian for is a reality? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3mur3$kgb$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:19:52 -0500, Gary Dale wrote: On 03/11/14 11:20 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works. About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12. Is there some way to set up something like that with lightdm? Just being able to dynamically add another desktop would be good, actually; they don't have to all be there at boot. In case it makes a difference, I'm running squeeze with the traditional sysv init. I use icewm and fvwm as window managers and do not run gnome or kde. Not that some of those libraries aren't there anyway. -- hendrik Are you asking for multiple virtual desktops or the ability to log on multiple times to the same machine? I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with different user ids. So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in as another, independent user, without me having to log out first. I hope that's clear. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3erkl$tsm$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Browser font size selection for printer -- SOLVED, but I'd llike to understand.
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 03:02:03 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I cannot get chrome or chromium (or Iceweaasel either) to print a web page in a twelve-point font on my laser printer. It insists on using a font that's about twice the size. Well, let me apologize for even posting that question. I got it to produce smaller output by asking for a font-size of 6pt. So it is recognizing the css for the printer after all -- it's just that the 12- point font my printer produces is rather bigger than what I'm used to calling twelve-point. I get about 54 lines to the page, measured top edge to bottom edge of an standard 11-inch page. With 72 = 6x12 points to the inch, I'd expect to get 6 lines to the inch, giving me 66 lines altogether. I suspect I'm ignoring details like the space between lines. Evidently I could still learn a few things about typography. Can anyone suggest a good online reference? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m3a75p$n4j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Browser font size selection for printer
I cannot get chrome or chromium (or Iceweaasel either) to print a web
page in a twelve-point font on my laser printer. It insists on using a
font that's about twice the size.
It even ignores my explicit request to set font-size in the css file:
@media print{
account-tree{
display: block;
margin: 10;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 12pt;
}
}
@media screen{
account-tree{
display: block;
margin: 10;
font-weight: bold;
}
}
Further, there seems to be no setting option for this in any of these
browsers. The large font is destroying my page layout (which looks
perfectly OK in the browser itself).
I can adjust text size on the screen with control-plus and control-
minus, but there sees to be no way to do this for printer output.
-- hendrik
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Multiple desktops in lightdm?
I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works. About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12. Is there some way to set up something like that with lightdm? Just being able to dynamically add another desktop would be good, actually; they don't have to all be there at boot. In case it makes a difference, I'm running squeeze with the traditional sysv init. I use icewm and fvwm as window managers and do not run gnome or kde. Not that some of those libraries aren't there anyway. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m39k5i$a72$1...@ger.gmane.org
Persistent hash sum mismatch in aptitude
Whenever I do an aptitude update it seems to work OK, except for a series of messages at the end: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ source/SourcesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ binary-i386/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ i18n/Translation-enIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/non-free/ i18n/Translation-enIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ source/SourcesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ binary-i386/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/ i18n/Translation-enIndex: Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/non-free/ i18n/Translation-enIndex: Hash Sum mismatch E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. E: Couldn't rebuild package cache Current status: 429 updates [+14], 15048 new [+7]. Notice that this happens with *two* mirrors. Is there something I should do to stop this? Is it even something to worry about? My subsequent safe-upgrades seem to work just fine. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m1k68a$pi7$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Wifi works again. Should I post bug reports?
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:35:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 oct 14, 01:40:23, Hendrik Boom wrote: Against network manager and wifi radar that they should warn the sysadmin on installation or upgrade that there will be a permissions problem, and what to do about it. Only a month or two there appeared to be no problem with permissions. In Jessie network-manager uses libpam-systemd to do this automagically. Meaning, I presume, that systemd tells it who is allowed to adjust the enetwork configuration, not that systemd warns the sysadmin upon installation. Is this something that has to be specially configured with systemd, or does systemd just do the check that a user is part of the netdev group? Against wicd that the package dependencies should specify that it conflicts with the network manager, forcing aptitude to uninstall the network manager when wicd is installed. This conflict is mentioned on a few relevant web pages, but not on others. I see no reason why it should be possible to install both. It is possible to have different network interfaces configured by different managers, just to give one example. The other one is simple switching between them. That makes sense. It might still be useful to have a warning in the package description seen in aptitude. Kind regards, Andrei Thank you. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m0u3jt$klh$2...@ger.gmane.org
wifi password problem solved, or at least, worked around.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:28:35 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: Near the beginning of September, I reported suddenly being unable to connect to wifi in coffee shops. Around the same time, I has done a routine upgrade to my jessie system; I do this every week or two. Everything had been working fine before. and is working again, though I now use a different wifi connectin tool. I am now unable to connect to any hot spot that has a password, even if I know the password. Luckily, my wifi at home is open -- no password required -- so I can still use wifi here. It was suggested to me that network-manager might be to blame and that I should try wifi-radar instead. No luck here, either. At home, everything's OK; elsewhere, no dice. Installing wicd, and (uninstalling network-manager) worked. It may or may not be relevant that network-manager uses systemd to do the permissions check on the user requesting the wifi connection, nor do I know whether this is something new. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m0u4ad$klh$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Wifi works again. Should I post bug reports?
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 22:13:52 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: After the last time I did a routine safe-upgrade in jessie, my ASUS 1000HE no longer connects to wifi after a reboot and login. Presumably something is wrong with the network manater. What it tells me after I log in and have my desktop up in a coffee shop is that I do not have privileges to alter the wifi configuration. What to I have to do to regain these privileges? Doing another upgrade (in case it fixes a bug) will be difficult without wifi. This is a coffee shop whose wifi has a wifi password, and never intervenes by sending me to another web page to register. Wifi SSID and password is all it uses. This has worked smoothly for over a year now. -- hendrik After a lot of messing around, I got wifi to work again, by installing wicd. Neither the network manager nor wifi radar did the trick. What I noticed about wicd was that it did one thing different. During installation it asked which users should be placed in the netdev group so that they could make network connections. I placed myself in this group, and everything worked thereafter. I suppose at this point I could go back and try network manager and wifi radar again, to discover whether wicd installation fixed their problems, but I'm tired. Should I perhaps lodge bug reports against these packages? Or are there reasons why the following are not bugs? Against network manager and wifi radar that they should warn the sysadmin on installation or upgrade that there will be a permissions problem, and what to do about it. Only a month or two there appeared to be no problem with permissions. Against wicd that the package dependencies should specify that it conflicts with the network manager, forcing aptitude to uninstall the network manager when wicd is installed. This conflict is mentioned on a few relevant web pages, but not on others. I see no reason why it should be possible to install both. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m0sru7$g9b$1...@ger.gmane.org
Still no wifi passwords after routine Jessie upgrade.
Near the beginning of September, I reported suddenly being unable to connect to wifi in coffee shops. Around the same time, I has done a routine upgrade to my jessie system; I do this every week or two. Everything had been working fine before. I am now unable to connect to any hot spot that has a password, even if I know the password. Luckily, my wifi at home is open -- no password required -- so I can still use wifi here. It was suggested to me that network-manager might be to blame and that I should try wifi-radar instead. No luck here, either. At home, everything's OK; elsewhere, no dice. So it seems that something has changed in my system that no longer allows me to use passwords when connecting to wifi. Any further ideas? I'm running a regularly updated testing system on an i386 netbook; specifically, an ASUS HE1000 (if I remember the model number correctly. it was the first ASUS netbook to require no proprietary drivers at all; ironically, it was available only with Windows preinstalled). It has performed well for years. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m09ui3$7ml$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 00:28:41 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 00:05:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 01:37:33 +0200, B wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:21:05 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I can't connect to wifi at all. Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This even though before the upgrade it connected fine. And aptitude will now talk to remte package repositories, at least when I'm at home. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). uh. How do I check that status? And how do I test with wifi-radar. What I'm using, as far as I know, is the network manager, that apparently being the default for xfce. Well, wifi-radar is available as a Debian package (though I can't find a wifi-supplicant package), and I found the wifi-radar wiki, so I suppose I can try that when I'm at the coffee shop next week. Or make a special trip. Testing it at home won't work -- everything works at home now. Since my last upgrade, aptitude seems to report there another 200-odd packages have arrived for me to upgrade. Any chance that would help? Or would it make things worse or more confusing? -- hendrik I installed wifi-radar. The network manager no longer puts its icon on the xfce icon bar, and wifi-radar shows up on the applications menu under internet. It finds the neighbouring wifi access points, and I can select them for automatic connection, and it appear to do so, at least for the one I have at home, which does not have aa password. What I haven't been able to figure out is hos to specify a wifi password for the access points that *do* require a password. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lusnpg$h94$1...@ger.gmane.org
Suddenly no wifi after routine jessie upgrade
After the last time I did a routine safe-upgrade in jessie, my ASUS 1000HE no longer connects to wifi after a reboot and login. Presumably something is wrong with the network manater. What it tells me after I log in and have my desktop up in a coffee shop is that I do not have privileges to alter the wifi configuration. What to I have to do to regain these privileges? Doing another upgrade (in case it fixes a bug) will be difficult without wifi. This is a coffee shop whose wifi has a wifi password, and never intervenes by sending me to another web page to register. Widi SSID and password is all it uses. This has worked smoothly for over a year now. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lul9n0$1hr$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Suddenly no wifi after routine jessie upgrade -- further details
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 22:13:52 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: After the last time I did a routine safe-upgrade in jessie, my ASUS 1000HE no longer connects to wifi after a reboot and login. Presumably something is wrong with the network manater. What it tells me after I log in and have my desktop up in a coffee shop is that I do not have privileges to alter the wifi configuration. What to I have to do to regain these privileges? Doing another upgrade (in case it fixes a bug) will be difficult without wifi. This is a coffee shop whose wifi has a wifi password, and never intervenes by sending me to another web page to register. Widi SSID and password is all it uses. This has worked smoothly for over a year now. -- hendrik Just to be clear -- before the upgrade I got a prompt for the root password before it would allow me to add a new wifi service to ites list, but it would connect to one already on its list automatically. Now it simply won't connect at all, even to a wifi service that it already know, and it doesn't even ask me for a root password. I can't connect to wifi at all. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/luldl1$1hr$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 01:37:33 +0200, B wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:21:05 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I can't connect to wifi at all. Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This even though before the upgrade it connected fine. And aptitude will now talk to remte package repositories, at least when I'm at home. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). uh. How do I check that status? And how do I test with wifi-radar. What I'm using, as far as I know, is the network manager, that apparently being the default for xfce. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lulg93$dbl$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 00:05:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 01:37:33 +0200, B wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:21:05 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I can't connect to wifi at all. Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This even though before the upgrade it connected fine. And aptitude will now talk to remte package repositories, at least when I'm at home. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). uh. How do I check that status? And how do I test with wifi-radar. What I'm using, as far as I know, is the network manager, that apparently being the default for xfce. Well, wifi-radar is available as a Debian package (though I can't find a wifi-supplicant package), and I found the wifi-radar wiki, so I suppose I can try that when I'm at the coffee shop next week. Or make a special trip. Testing it at home won't work -- everything works at home now. Since my last upgrade, aptitude seems to report there another 200-odd packages have arrived for me to upgrade. Any chance that would help? Or would it make things worse or more confusing? -- hendrik -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lulhjp$dbl$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 02:24:29 +0200, B wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:05:56 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This even though before the upgrade it connected fine. And aptitude will now talk to remte package repositories, at least when I'm at home. Hm, could be a DHCP lease file problem, close your connection then goto /var/lib/dhcp and rename dhclient_leases to dhclient_leases_OFF (I just done that, but it seems not to be used anymore by NM, give it a try anyway and see what's happening (w/ other networks that home)). As NM is often upgraded (in sid), so this can also be a bug; in this case, you should try (as root) to make new connections files into /etc/Network-Manager/system-connections and restart NM manually. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). uh. How do I check that status? And how do I test with wifi-radar. What I'm using, as far as I know, is the network manager, that apparently being the default for xfce. My wlan0 disappears when closing NM networking and I can't ifup it :( NM seems to preempt it (I see pieces of it into policykit:(( Same shit that w/ systemd;((( Is it likely to be a systemd problem? Would it help to uninstall gnome? -- hedrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lulhrs$dbl$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 03:00:04 +0200, B wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:33:01 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Is it likely to be a systemd problem? Would it help to uninstall gnome? I was kidding (as systemd devs have the same dick heads as the gnome ones: they KNOW what's good for you). I'm not happy about the creeping windowsification of Linux. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lulqpo$dbl$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 03:02:24 +0200, B wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:28:41 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Well, wifi-radar is available as a Debian package (though I can't find a wifi-supplicant package), and I found the wifi-radar wiki, so I suppose I can try that when I'm at the coffee shop next week. Or make a special trip. Testing it at home won't work -- everything works at home now. I don't think that's possible without removing NM (as the wireless I/F seems tied to it now:( Then I'd better download all the relevant packages and dependencies for wifi-radar before I uninstall NM. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lulral$dbl$5...@ger.gmane.org
out-of-date libtool in a former Debian package.
I'm trying to compile pornview on testing/jessio. It compiled fine on wheezy, making a nice Debian package. But when trying to compile it on jessie I got complaints about libtool. I suspect incompatible changes somewhere in the libtool/automake/ configure area. I've tried replacing the libtool in the package's root directory by a symbolic link to /usr/bin/libtool. This would give me the up-to-date one in my system. No luck there; now I get complaints that it can't open the file. Since the file there has read and execute permissions, I conclude that it's trying to *write* libtool. Presumably it's trying to create its own libtool script to use later instead of just using the system one. I haven't found where it makes it yet. Now I found an old web page, http://www.v7w.com/debian/libtool- updating.html, that describes the use of scripts that update a properly made autoconf/automake setup to the latest version of these tools. (a) Is this the way to go? Is it even relevant? (b) Are these instructions up-to-date? (c) Should I apply these to the modified version after the Debian patches have been applied, or to the upstream version? If the former, presumable I should later retrofit the upstream source and/or the Debian patches to match? (d) Am I even barking up the wrong tree, and should I do it completely differently? Presumably after getting through all this I can get around to looking at GTK2/GTK3 changes. But that's for the (far?) uture. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lub4np$u6v$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: IPV6 dns server running on IPV4 Connection??
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:16:12 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Whoops... should have gone to the list. Sorry about that! On 9/3/2014 10:48 AM, John Foster wrote: I have Verizon as my ISP; of course they don't want or allow the running of static addressed servers. However they seem to be ignoring most IPV6 systems connection. I.E. I can browse IPV6 network connections and my router from Verizon has IPV6 settings enabled for both DHCPv6 Staticv6 connections. I am wondering if it would be possible to set up bind to run on my server with IPV6 initialized and run my server using it as an IPV6 static site while they (Verizon) happily use the same IPV4 installation they are already using. Could this setup coexist on one machine. BTW: I am able to set up IPV6 DNS thru Godaddy at their dns zone manager for my server, to point to my unique IPV6 address. Only issue thereafter is where to get the proper IPV6 unique addres for my machine. ANY suggestions or comment are greatly appreciated. john Even if you get a unique IPV6 address, Verizon would have to tell the rest of the internet the routing to your address. And unless you get it from Verizon, chances are they aren't going to do it. Yes, it could coexist on one machine - but ANY IP routing is dependent on the next machine in the chain passing the routing information on. Without this, no one (not even someone else on the Verizon network) will be able to access your IP. Your best bet is going to be to get an IPV6 address from Verizon. But please remember - most internet users (and even many ISPs) are still using IPV4 only, and will not be able to access your site. Jerry There's a company I heard of a few years ago that provides IPv6-over-IPv3 tunnelling. I think it's called Hurricane Electric. Look it up, see if it fits your needs. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lub50f$u6v$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: The case of the read-only USB sticks.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:18:11 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:38:34 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 22 feb 14, 14:33:24, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have a problem with my USB sticks mysteriously becoming read-only. You didn't provide any information about make, model, size, partitioning, file systems, etc. Also the relevant lines from syslog when you plug in the stick are very useful for diagnosing. Kind regards, Andrei Thank you. I will investigate and provide syslog data for the old read- only sticks and the new writable ones when I get the chance. Of the old USB sticks -- the ones that turned read-only -- I currently am in possession of only one, and it worked fine this morning if I am root when I mount it and write it. It's labelled Lexar USB3.0 64G. I haven't tried it on my wife's Mac since. If I have to be root, perhaps it's some mount permission problem I'm getting. Of course it could be that I missed this one stick when I was trying the old failing sticks last week and it's been OK all along. Im going to have to keep careful records. The others I handed to a friend a few days ago, who said he wanted to try them out on his equipment. I'll see them again next Wednesdays. -- hendrik I think I may have a solution. I suspect the problem is with improperly unmounted/ejected (teminology varies) USB sticks. On some systems it can be hard to figure out the proper unmounting protocol. But when I mount such a stick on Debian, it gets mounted at best as read- only. And often it does it automatically, and as root instead of as the user currently logged in (assuming there is only one) I have to check if it's mounted, and unmount it as root. Then to do an fsck -a -y so that it will indeed fix problems. Usually the only problem is that a flag has been said telling me it hadn't been properly unmounted last time it was used. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lp7pio$bke$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Chromium cannot access pages.
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:15:06 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/18/2014 04:45 AM, Florian Ernst wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:30:44PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-06-17 14:39 +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751294 35.0.1916.153-2 contains a fix Yes. and will soon migrate to testing. No, it won't because it FTBFS on amd64. Based on previous experience¹, it's likely to take weeks before a fixed package reaches testing. :-( Ah, true, I failed to notice that. Yikes, ld terminated with signal 9, indicating external trouble rather that a problem with the source per se. At first blush, that reminds me of bug 751278, in which ld from the currently-packaged binutils crashes fairly reliably under some circumstances. This seems to be fixed in the binutils now in unstable, so probably the problem will go away fairly soon. - -- The Wanderer However, switching my sources.list to sid temporarily worked just fine. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/loa03m$2bv$1...@ger.gmane.org
asciidoc and emacs
The package emacs-goodies-el contains markdown-mode, which is for editing markdown files. Has anything analogous been packaged foe asciidoc instead? If not, there seems to be an asciidoc.el file at http://www.emacswiki.org/ emacs/asciidoc.el Is there someplace I should put it in my Debian testing system where emacs will find it but it won't interfere with any of the filesystems that are managed by Debian's package manager? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/loa0e7$2bv$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: asciidoc and emacs
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:50:31 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: The package emacs-goodies-el contains markdown-mode, which is for editing markdown files. Has anything analogous been packaged foe asciidoc instead? If not, there seems to be an asciidoc.el file at http://www.emacswiki.org/ emacs/asciidoc.el Is there someplace I should put it in my Debian testing system where emacs will find it but it won't interfere with any of the filesystems that are managed by Debian's package manager? Actually, asciidoc.el seems to be a set of commands for editing asciidoc, not a mode for doing syntax coloring and the like. Probably not what I want. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/loa2np$2bv$3...@ger.gmane.org
Chromium cannot access pages.
Running a testing i386 system here on my laptop. Did a routine upgrade in the last few days. Finally launched chromium this morning. It fails rather thoroughly. I have no trouble, though, using chrome, which I get directly from google. For every page I request, even the default Google-search page it normally displays in a new tab, chromium tells me : Aw, Snap! : : Something went wrong while displaying this web page. To continue, reload or go to another page. : : Reload : : If you're seeing this frequently, try these suggestions. Of course the suggestions page fails to reload, too. Even the 'about chromium' page fails to display, so it won't tell me what version of chromium I'm using. Aptitude tells me it's version 35.0.1916.153-1. Running chromium from a shell tells me: hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ chromium [4810:4834:0617/075836:ERROR:nss_util.cc(853)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018 ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. [4810:4810:0617/075839:ERROR:component_loader.cc(138)] Failed to parse extension manifest. [4810:4810:0617/075907:ERROR:profile_sync_service.cc(1270)] History Delete Directives datatype error was encountered: Delete directives not supported with encryption. [4810:4872:0617/075909:ERROR:get_updates_processor.cc(214)] PostClientToServerMessage() failed during GetUpdates -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lnpb7d$a8n$1...@ger.gmane.org
The case of the read-only USB sticks.
I have a problem with my USB sticks mysteriously becoming read-only. I decided to investigate. I bought three identical 8G USB sticks, identical except for colour). None of them appear have any switches on them. The first I used my Linux laptop to write a file into the top-level directory of the first stick: I mounted it, wrote it, and unmounted it. I handed it to my wife, who was to read it on her Mac. She told me it failed to even notice there was a USB stick plugged in. But returned to me, I could mount it and read it. I put the second into my Linux laptop, mounted it, listed the top-level directory (it was empty), unmounted it. I passed it to my wife, who plugged it into her Mac, and it immediately noticed the USB stick and allowed her to look at its contents. It was, of course, empty. I'm running Debian testing on an ASUS netbook. Speculation: Now this doesn't tell me anything about how my USB sticks turn read- only. But it does tell me that something weird is happening to them. Perhaps the two OS's have different ieas as to how USB sticks are to be written or read? Perhaps one of the other machined in the house it writing the in such a was that Linux can't read them? What do I need to know to investigate this. Has anyone else had problems like this? Online all I found was some people on Windows with read-only USB sticks. One of them said that some friend using Linux had fixed them. No one else had any luck. I have no idea if their experience has any relevance. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/leacfk$g51$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: The case of the read-only USB sticks.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:38:34 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 22 feb 14, 14:33:24, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have a problem with my USB sticks mysteriously becoming read-only. You didn't provide any information about make, model, size, partitioning, file systems, etc. Also the relevant lines from syslog when you plug in the stick are very useful for diagnosing. Kind regards, Andrei Thank you. I will investigate and provide syslog data for the old read- only sticks and the new writable ones when I get the chance. Of the old USB sticks -- the ones that turned read-only -- I currently am in possession of only one, and it worked fine this morning if I am root when I mount it and write it. It's labelled Lexar USB3.0 64G. I haven't tried it on my wife's Mac since. If I have to be root, perhaps it's some mount permission problem I'm getting. Of course it could be that I missed this one stick when I was trying the old failing sticks last week and it's been OK all along. Im going to have to keep careful records. The others I handed to a friend a few days ago, who said he wanted to try them out on his equipment. I'll see them again next Wednesdays. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/leam4j$g51$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Third-Party Software Needs Non-Debian Format for Kernel Version
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:58:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: abiname shouldn't change should it? I wouldn't think so - but I also don't know. However, if you do change something basic like the kernel version, what else will it affect? You might get a kernel which will boot but nothing will run, for instance. When you install your custom kernel, make sure you keep an old kernel around, just in case. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/leao5j$g51$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: images that play nicely with revision control?
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:47:11 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm looking for a file format for images that plays nicely with revision control. Ideally I'd like to edit them while seeing what I'm editing, whether it's a line drawing (like inkscape) or a pixel map. [snip] You didn't say much about your actual drawing mixture. I'd probably be willing to adapt my drawing style to the technology that works with my revision control. The drawings I'm interested in are development tools for for novels or computer programs. One might be block diagrams of the main components of a program and their relationships. Another might be a picture of the main character of a story, or a map of the country, or the layout of a character's house. These are working drawings than high art. And they're not static. Oh, I don't mean they're animations... I mean that as the months go by, they need to be changed, as my understanding of the things they represent changes. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ldbsuo$9ks$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: images that play nicely with revision control?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:42:57 -0900, Mark Neyhart wrote: On 02/09/2014 03:28 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm looking for a file format for images that plays nicely with revision control. Ideally I'd like to edit them while seeing what I'm editing, whether it's a line drawing (like inkscape) or a pixel map. The X PixMap (.xpm) format may work for you. It is based upon C source code. I don't know which image editors support it directly, but the convert program from the Imagemagick suite will read and write it. It seems ... well, bulky. But maybe it stands to reason that anything in raster graphics that satisfies my requirements would be bulky. -- hendrik Mark Neyhart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ldc6cc$9ks$2...@ger.gmane.org
images that play nicely with revision control?
I'm looking for a file format for images that plays nicely with revision control. Ideally I'd like to edit them while seeing what I'm editing, whether it's a line drawing (like inkscape) or a pixel map. And I'd like to keep the whole thing under revision control (like monotone, or git, or such. Currently I use monotone). But any kind of compressed file format is probably not going to cut it. Revision control seems to be designed for program text, with lots of newlines in stable places. If all else fails, and I get desperate I could even store my images as programs in, say, Scheme or C or some such, and run the code to see the image. But that would make editing difficult. And in that case, I'd like recommendations to graphics libraries that can output to a variety of formats, such as onto the screen, into a jpeg file, to svg or html format, or some such. I would definitely prefer not to write a whole new image editor from scratch. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ld7s9t$knr$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: images that play nicely with revision control?
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:07:57 -0500, Henning Follmann wrote: On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 12:28:45PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm looking for a file format for images that plays nicely with revision control. Ideally I'd like to edit them while seeing what I'm editing, whether it's a line drawing (like inkscape) or a pixel map. I think that doesn't exist. That's what I suspected. But I asked in the hope that there was something I hadn't heard of yet. At least not for all kind of images. SVG is basically an XML file. There you can at least compare the xml content. But that however is also very tricky, you might need something which converts it first into canonical xml and the compare/store it. But that is only efficient for vector images. For bitmap images that wouldn't work. And XML can be difficult to do revision-merging on, even if furnished with lots of newlines -- what the merge algorithm considers a perfectly acceptable merge may end up violating XML's large-scale bracket matching. Which means the user gets to worry about how his picture is coded, in exasperating detail. But with some restricted limited-nesting XML files it might be made to work. But I can imagine bitmaps to be mergable, if not compressed, and if enouth newlines are inserted in standard places, such as between scan lines. Still, better techniques ought to be possible. And I'd like to keep the whole thing under revision control (like monotone, or git, or such. Currently I use monotone). But any kind of compressed file format is probably not going to cut it. Revision control seems to be designed for program text, with lots of newlines in stable places. If all else fails, and I get desperate I could even store my images as programs in, say, Scheme or C or some such, and run the code to see the image. But that would make editing difficult. And in that case, I'd like recommendations to graphics libraries that can output to a variety of formats, such as onto the screen, into a jpeg file, to svg or html format, or some such. That approach is close to what adobe does. They basically have a master image. They store with that image every change. That is how Lightroom handles changes. This of course can be very demanding on cpu/gpu. Because everytime you load the picture you have to apply all the changes to the master, render it and display it. So the change could sconsist of adding a bunch of code into the existing file. And theh reverse change would consist of deleting it. Maybe non- conflicting merging would even work. But the proper test for conflicts would be whether the two changesets affected the same part of the image. Unless someone comes up with something else, it looks like a topic for further research. And about compression? It may turn out that the space saved by not duplicating parts of an image that didn't change may outweigh the space lost by not compressing. -- hendrik I would definitely prefer not to write a whole new image editor from scratch. -H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ld89eg$k27$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: images that play nicely with revision control?
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:47:11 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm looking for a file format for images that plays nicely with revision control. Ideally I'd like to edit them while seeing what I'm editing, whether it's a line drawing (like inkscape) or a pixel map. [snip] You didn't say much about your actual drawing mixture. You might get some ideas by looking at details of *EARLY* versions of HPGL and PostScript. A couple of quick links from Google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL https://www.swiftview.com/pclcorner/pclcorner1.htm I'm drawing on memories circa Win 3.1 and CPM-80 . HTH YMMV ;/ AH! The days before widespread revision control! HPGL looks like it would fit the bill, for line drawings, anyway. If I could get an off-the-shelf editor to read it and write it, anyway. It dose seem to be more like object code than source code, so to speak. It would work with revision control if I could put in newlines instead of semicolons. Or modify the revision control system to accept semicolons and treat them as it now handles newlines. Really, it should be possible for a revision control to understand file types and know what's special about them. One workaround is to write some code that transforms between a revision- friendly HPGl and regular HPGL in both directions, to use the revision- friendly HPGL as checked-in source code, and to turn an existing editor into one for this format by a shell command that converts back and forth ... Come to think of it, this might work with a lot of the other graphics file formats. As long as they don't contain arbitrary identifiers that change with every edit. I must investigate. I've faced the same problem with word-processor file formats, actually. At the moment the solution seems to be systems like markdown and asciidoc. But it's easier there because marked-up ASCII text is a lot closer to the format in which the final document is presented. It's still text, after all. There's opportunity for some low-level research here. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ld8edd$k27$2...@ger.gmane.org
Don't blame yourself. Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:59:01 -0500, Jon N wrote: I know I shouldn't mess with things, I really don't know what i'm doing for the most part. There's a good chance it's not your doing. The mailing list archives suggest a lot of people have had similar ptoblems lately. My gdm3 failed today. It gives me a black screen with a few icons in the top left that I can use for things like check battery status and powering down. Logging in did not seem to be an option. I still could log in on a text console (control-alt-F1) and run startx. But instead of my usual xfce I got gnome3, which I find unusable. I decide to install another display manager. I install xdm and reboot. I get to log in, but I seemed to have no choice of window manger, and again got gnome3. I install lightdm and reboot. This one gives ma a choice of window manager. I choose IceWm and my system is again usable. Don't blame yourself. I suspect it's gdm3. Again. (It screwed up the upgrade to wheezy on my server, too. But that was almost a year ago, when gnome wa in shambles. I gather it's better now. It just doesn't seem to do what I want.) There must be some way to choose a different window manager using .xinitrc or .xserverrc or something like that, but I don't know what it is. I used to, over a decade ago, when you *had* to hand-edit these files to survive. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l82ej0$78s$1...@ger.gmane.org
Circular initscript dependency prevents use of aptitude on wheezy
: samba initscripts cups Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information... Reading extended state information... Initializing package states... Reading task descriptions... -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l6l8fu$hb6$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: mdadm gives segmentatin fault on wheezy. RAID array now incomplete.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 01:59:21 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:59:48 -0600, Shane Johnson wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I ran mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 and got a segmentation fault. april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# /dev/sdd2 used to be part of the /dev/md1 RAID1 array, but it went bad, presumably becaues of a hard reset. I did a mdadm /dev/md1 --fail /dev/sdd2 --remove /dev/sdd2 which appeared to work correctly, and after that april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# What now? -- hendrik ... ... Thanks, but I'm not out of the woods yet. I've found a relevant bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718896 And the version of mdadm available in Debian isn't the most recent. Version 3.2.6 has been announced on http://git.neil.brown.name/? p=mdadm.git;a=blob;f=ANNOUNCE-3.2.6;h=f5cfd4920576fba77c7162c331b87873f8bfa5ef;hb=HEAD The second item on its git log says 0d478e2 mdadm: Fix Segmentation fault. I have no idea whether this is the same segmentation fault I'm runnin into. But it might be. And apparently upstream development is already at version mdadm=3.3. Not sure if I can really wait for Debian to migrate the relevant bug fix into wheezy to rebuild my RAID array. Assuming there is a relevant bug fix, of course. -- hendrik -- hendrik The problem seems to be related to a hard drive connectivity problem. I shut down my system, and wiggled all the SATA cables connecting the drives to the electronics. They seemed to be firmly connected. But after that, when I rebooted, I could repair the RAID with no problems. Still, mdadm shouldn't be giving a segmentation fault on hard drive connectivity problems. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l6l8si$hb6$2...@ger.gmane.org
mdadm gives segmentatin fault on wheezy. RAID array now incomplete.
I ran mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 and got a segmentation fault. april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# /dev/sdd2 used to be part of the /dev/md1 RAID1 array, but it went bad, presumably becaues of a hard reset. I did a mdadm /dev/md1 --fail /dev/sdd2 --remove /dev/sdd2 which appeared to work correctly, and after that april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# What now? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l341hd$6pp$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Mail logs missing in wheezy
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:19:30 -0700, David Guntner What things are logged where is controlled by the /etc/rsyslog.conf file. man rsyslog.conf for more information about the layout of the file. Here's an extract from the rsyslog.conf file: # # First some standard log files. Log by facility. # auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog #cron.* /var/log/cron.log daemon.*-/var/log/daemon.log kern.* -/var/log/kern.log lpr.* -/var/log/lpr.log mail.* -/var/log/mail.log user.* -/var/log/user.log I can't find it mentioned in the man page for rsyslog.cong what the minus signs mean in front of the file names. -- hendrik --Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l34s4g$4tc$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: mdadm gives segmentatin fault on wheezy. RAID array now incomplete.
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:59:48 -0600, Shane Johnson wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I ran mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 and got a segmentation fault. april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# /dev/sdd2 used to be part of the /dev/md1 RAID1 array, but it went bad, presumably becaues of a hard reset. I did a mdadm /dev/md1 --fail /dev/sdd2 --remove /dev/sdd2 which appeared to work correctly, and after that april:/farhome/hendrik# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[1] 2391295864 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] md0 : active raid1 sda4[0] sdc4[1] 706337792 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none april:/farhome/hendrik# mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdd2 Segmentation fault april:/farhome/hendrik# What now? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l341hd$6pp$1...@ger.gmane.org Hendrik, You might look in the logs to see if they give more detail For some reason my logs seem mostley to have stopped acceptig messages last May, approximately the time when I upgraded to wheezy. Apparently (discussed in another thread) the upgrade seems to have mmisconfigured my logging options. Do you happen to know which log the mdadm messages are likely to be in? I might be able to experiment with the log configuration until something shows up. Still, if something was wrong with /dev/sdd2, I might expect a message, but I wouldn't expect mdadm to segfault. otherwise I would try removing the failed device and replacing it with another that is as close as possible to the same size and see if you can add it. I don't really have a spare drive of that size around. And it would take weeks to test a new one before I could get around to trying it out. The failed drive was so tested only a few months ago, and it passed. I test all my drives with a full-surface write/read test using badblocks. Drives that fail are promptly returned to the vendor. I have also seen on the duct tape raid I had for a while where I would have to power cycle the box in order for it to reactivate the flaky drive. A duct-tape RAID? Was this a hardware RAID, where the hardware takes care of it all, or a software-based mdadm RAID? Or is this some hitherto undiscovered use for duct tape? The last thing I want is to discover my system is unbootable. Unlikely, because the MBR it boots from is on a different drive, and the entire running OS is on a completely separate RAID, on different physical drives. The next-to last thing is to find that at boot time it fails to assemble the defective RAID at all. Assembling it as a usable defective single- drive RAID array would be OK. (But that's where I'm at now). I guess the next thing is to find my least-recently-used backup drive and put a new fresh backup on it before I do anything dangerous. Just a couple of suggestions. Shane Thanks, but I'm not out of the woods yet. I've found a relevant bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718896 And the version of mdadm available in Debian isn't the most recent. Version 3.2.6 has been announced on http://git.neil.brown.name/? p=mdadm.git;a=blob;f=ANNOUNCE-3.2.6;h=f5cfd4920576fba77c7162c331b87873f8bfa5ef;hb=HEAD The second item on its git log says 0d478e2 mdadm: Fix Segmentation fault. I have no idea whether this is the same segmentation fault I'm runnin into. But it might be. And apparently upstream development is already at version mdadm=3.3. Not sure if I can really wait for Debian to migrate the relevant bug fix into wheezy to rebuild my RAID array. Assuming there is a relevant bug fix, of course. -- hendrik -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l351lo$4tc$2...@ger.gmane.org
Mail logs missing in wheezy
I've been running stable for years now on my server. I tried to investigate a mail irregularity today by looking in /var/log/ mail* and discovered none of those files had been updated since May. Wasn't that around the time wheezy became stable? So it looks as if the upgrade to wheezy changed the handling on the mail logs. I use postfix. Where have the mail logs moved to? Or is there some option I need to set to get them back? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l2eruo$gt0$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: NOT QUITE: headphones still don't work.
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:40:05 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Hi Hendrik, Am Dienstag, 17. September 2013, 00:32:49 schrieb Hendrik Boom: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:02:29 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:43:21 +0100, Klaus wrote: Can this be another instance of a muted Master switch? What do get for: $ amixer info $ amixer contents $ amixer scontents See the amixer man page for how to un-mute using CLI. Or try alsamixer, pressing M toggles muting. Yes, pressing 'M' on alsamixer did the trick. But sound turns off as soon as I plug the headphones in, and on again when I unplug them. I expected to be able to hear sound through the headphones. Well unmute them as well? That is the obvious thing to do. But alsamixer doesn't seem to have a separate slider for the headphones. Or else I just don't know how to find it. And when I use amixer to give me a list of the available ccontrols, I get: hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer controls numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Switch' numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Volume' numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch' numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Volume' hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ There's nothing here to suggest there's a separate control for the headphones. Yet something is detecting the headphones, because the speakers shut off when I plug them in and trn on again when I unplug them. And the headphones themselves work fine on other devices, such as my ASUS TF101, an Android tablet. I have this issue as well. Once I press the mute button on this ThinkPad T520 both are muted, but when I press it again, they are not unmuted, so I have to do this manually via alsamixer. How *do* you do it? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l19suc$d4t$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: NOT QUITE: headphones still don't work.
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:32:50 +0100, Klaus wrote: On 17/09/13 16:36, Hendrik Boom wrote: How *do* you do it? -- hendrik Just learned something over on Lisi's thread :-) On my system I get this: $ amixer -c 0 contents | grep -A3 -i Headphone Playback Switch numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=on,on I just tried it and got similar results: hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 contents numid=15,iface=CARD,name='Headphone Jack' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=r---,values=1 : values=off numid=14,iface=CARD,name='Internal Mic Phantom Jack' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=r---,values=1 : values=on numid=13,iface=CARD,name='Mic Jack' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=r---,values=1 : values=off numid=16,iface=CARD,name='Speaker Phantom Jack' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=r---,values=1 : values=on numid=12,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=1 : values=on numid=11,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=1,min=0,max=64,step=0 : values=64 | dBscale-min=-64.00dB,step=1.00dB,mute=0 numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=on,on numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=64,step=0 : values=63,63 | dBscale-min=-63.00dB,step=1.00dB,mute=0 numid=21,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---RW-,values=2,min=0,max=255,step=0 : values=255,255 | dBscale-min=-51.00dB,step=0.20dB,mute=0 numid=10,iface=MIXER,name='Mic Boost Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=3,step=0 : values=1,1 | dBscale-min=0.00dB,step=10.00dB,mute=0 numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='Mic Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=off,off numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Mic Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=31,step=0 : values=0,0 | dBscale-min=-34.50dB,step=1.50dB,mute=0 numid=9,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=off,off numid=8,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=46,step=0 : values=0,0 | dBscale-min=-17.00dB,step=1.00dB,mute=0 numid=7,iface=MIXER,name='Auto-Mute Mode' ; type=ENUMERATED,access=rw--,values=1,items=2 ; Item #0 'Disabled' ; Item #1 'Enabled' : values=1 numid=18,iface=MIXER,name='Beep Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=off,off numid=17,iface=MIXER,name='Beep Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=31,step=0 : values=0,0 | dBscale-min=-34.50dB,step=1.50dB,mute=0 numid=22,iface=MIXER,name='Digital Capture Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---RW-,values=2,min=0,max=120,step=0 : values=60,60 | dBscale-min=-30.00dB,step=0.50dB,mute=0 numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=on,on numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=64,step=0 : values=64,64 | dBscale-min=-63.00dB,step=1.00dB,mute=0 numid=20,iface=PCM,name='Capture Channel Map' ; type=INTEGER,access=rR--,values=2,min=0,max=36,step=0 : values=0,0 | | unk-257-0x0003,0x0004, numid=19,iface=PCM,name='Playback Channel Map' ; type=INTEGER,access=rR--,values=2,min=0,max=36,step=0 : values=0,0 | | unk-257-0x0003,0x0004, and now I can switch the headphone on or off by $ amixer -c 0 cset numid=2 off,off numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=off,off $ amixer -c 0 cset numid=2 on,on numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=on,on I seem to have the same numerical ID as you for headphone playback. Try setting the headphone playback on, as you did, though I suspect it won't have much effect, since it's already on. hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 cset numid=2 on,on numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=2 : values=on,on hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ and it indeed did not have much effect. But there's another headphone item on the list: hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 contents | grep Head numid=15,iface=CARD,name='Headphone Jack' numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Switch' numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Headphone Playback Volume' hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 cset numid=15 on,on and it's off. Replacing the numid in the above comment hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 cset numid=15 on,on amixer: Control hw:0 element write error: Operation not permitted it doesn't work, perhaps because it was set to 'off' instead of 'off, off'. Trying again with just one 'off': hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer -c 0 cset numid=15 on amixer
Re: Audio vanished with jessie
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:44:49 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:33:39 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: It's an ASUS 1HE running jessie. Today sound wouldn't work, though it worked a few weeks ago. I won't say nothing has changed; I have been doing regular upgrades using aptitude. I don't even know how to begin diagnosing the problem. No sound, neither in audacity nor in VLC. Neither paplay nor aplay give me any sound. The audio device is *Enabled* in the BIOS. What tests should I be performing to narrow down the problem. Or is this already a well-known bug in jessie? -- hendrik In a situation like this, no sound when I know there should be, and nothing has changed, I'd try rebooting! That normally tends to fix the problem, except for the time that I spent two hours looking for the problem only to find eventually, that I'd unplugged my speakers at the mains! Sharon. I've already tried rebooting. Not just a 'restart', but the more drastic 'shut down' and a subsequent power on. It didn't help. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l17jpv$1p8$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Audio vanished with jessie
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:40:01 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 17:33:39 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
It's an ASUS 1HE running jessie.
Today sound wouldn't work, though it worked a few weeks ago.
I won't say nothing has changed; I have been doing regular upgrades
using aptitude.
I don't even know how to begin diagnosing the problem. No sound,
neither in audacity nor in VLC.
Are there any error messages when you start these applications from the
command line in an X terminal? What do you get from running
speaker-test?
Neither paplay nor aplay give me any sound.
The audio device is *Enabled* in the BIOS.
For a start, please post the output of:
lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio cat /proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}
aplay -Ll
Well, lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio cat /proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}
just says:
grep: cat: No such file or directory
But with the proper newline inserted,
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition
Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:831a]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# cat
/proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver
Version k3.10-2-686-pae.
0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
HDA Intel at 0xf7eb8000 irq 43
0 snd_hda_intel
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
and finally,
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# aplay -Ll
default
Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
sysdefault:CARD=Intel
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
Front speakers
surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC269 Analog [ALC269 Analog]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
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Re: Audio vanished with jessie
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:40:01 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: Are there any error messages when you start these applications from the command line in an X terminal? What do you get from running speaker-test? Running audacity: hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ audacity ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.rear ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.center_lfe ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.side ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:961:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server request channel jack server is not running or cannot be started Expression 'stream-playback.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 4541 Expression 'stream-playback.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 4541 Expression 'stream-playback.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 4541 Expression 'stream-playback.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 4541 Expression '*idev = open( idevName, flags )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 811 Expression 'OpenDevices( idevName, odevName, idev, odev )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 857 Expression 'PaOssStream_Initialize( stream, inputParameters, outputParameters, streamCallback, userData, streamFlags, ossHostApi )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 1234 Otherwise, Audacity seems to run as usual, it goes through the motions when I ask it to play a music file, but there's nothing audible. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l17opa$1p8$4...@ger.gmane.org
SUCCESS: though Audio vanished with jessie, it came back with alsamixer.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:43:21 +0100, Klaus wrote:
On 16/09/13 20:44, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:40:01 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 17:33:39 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
It's an ASUS 1HE running jessie.
Today sound wouldn't work, though it worked a few weeks ago.
I won't say nothing has changed; I have been doing regular upgrades
using aptitude.
I don't even know how to begin diagnosing the problem. No sound,
neither in audacity nor in VLC.
Are there any error messages when you start these applications from the
command line in an X terminal? What do you get from running
speaker-test?
Neither paplay nor aplay give me any sound.
The audio device is *Enabled* in the BIOS.
For a start, please post the output of:
lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio cat /proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}
aplay -Ll
Well, lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio cat /proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}
just says:
grep: cat: No such file or directory
But with the proper newline inserted,
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# lspci -knn | grep -A2 -i audio
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High
Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:831a]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# cat
/proc/asound/{version,cards,modules}Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver
Version k3.10-2-686-pae.
0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
HDA Intel at 0xf7eb8000 irq 43
0 snd_hda_intel
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
and finally,
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# aplay -Ll
default
Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
sysdefault:CARD=Intel
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
Front speakers
surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, ALC269 Analog
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC269 Analog [ALC269 Analog]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik#
-- hendrik
Hendrik
Can this be another instance of a muted Master switch? What do get for:
$ amixer info
$ amixer contents
$ amixer scontents
See the amixer man page for how to un-mute using CLI.
Or try alsamixer, pressing M toggles muting.
Yes, pressing 'M' on alsamizer did the trick.
For the record, here's the output of those commands, before I used alsamixer:
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer info
Card default 'pulse'/'PulseAudio'
Mixer name: 'PulseAudio'
Components: ''
Controls : 4
Simple ctrls : 2
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer contents
numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Switch'
; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=1
: values=off
numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Volume'
; type=INTEGER,access=rw--,values=2,min=0,max=65536,step=1
: values=65536,65536
numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch'
; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=1
: values=off
numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Volume'
; type=INTEGER,access=rw--,values=2,min=0,max=65536,step=1
: values=11215,11215
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer scontents
Simple mixer control 'Master',0
Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Playback 0 - 65536
Mono:
Front Left: Playback 65536 [100%] [off]
Front Right: Playback 65536 [100%] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined
Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
Limits: Capture 0 - 65536
Front Left: Capture 11215 [17%] [off]
Front Right: Capture 11215 [17%] [off]
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$
And the amixer contents after I did so:
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ amixer contents
numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Switch'
; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=1
: values=on
numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Volume'
; type=INTEGER,access=rw--,values=2,min=0,max=65536,step=1
: values=65536,65536
numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch'
; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw--,values=1
: values=off
numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Volume'
; type=INTEGER,access=rw--,values=2,min=0,max=65536,step=1
: values=11215,11215
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$
The second 'values' field
Audio vanished with jessie
It's an ASUS 1HE running jessie. Today sound wouldn't work, though it worked a few weeks ago. I won't say nothing has changed; I have been doing regular upgrades using aptitude. I don't even know how to begin diagnosing the problem. No sound, neither in audacity nor in VLC. Neither paplay nor aplay give me any sound. The audio device is *Enabled* in the BIOS. What tests should I be performing to narrow down the problem. Or is this already a well-known bug in jessie? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l17fdi$1p8$1...@ger.gmane.org
NOT QUITE: headphones still don't work.
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:02:29 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:43:21 +0100, Klaus wrote: Can this be another instance of a muted Master switch? What do get for: $ amixer info $ amixer contents $ amixer scontents See the amixer man page for how to un-mute using CLI. Or try alsamixer, pressing M toggles muting. Yes, pressing 'M' on alsamixer did the trick. But sound turns off as soon as I plug the headphones in, and on again when I unplug them. I expected to be able to hear sound through the headphones. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l187vg$vaq$2...@ger.gmane.org
OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:51:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin. If you've ever seen the graffiti scene in 'The Life of Brian' then you may use a word other than misfortune. :) As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice stuff! If you like all that, try Sanskrit. It has eight cases, not just six, three numbers, not just singular and plural, and more verb tenses than you can shape a stick at. And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has German beat for compound words! And as for being a dead language (no native speakers, used as a second language for communication), its important literature was written when it was already dead. Take that, Latin! -- hendrik P.S. Not to mention the alphabet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kv5cat$40d$1...@ger.gmane.org
Slide viewer?
Now that pornview has disappeared from Jessie (and contrary to popular innuendo, it didn't require the images it displayed to be pornographic), can anyone with some experience suggest a replacement slide viewer? Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome libraries, and versatile. Yes, I know, choose any two... I can google and get lists of viewers, such as http:// blends.alioth.debian.org/imaging/tasks/imageviewer, but that doesn't give me much insight from actual use. So, any recommendations? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kv5csl$40d$2...@ger.gmane.org
xfce on jessie has no icons on desktop
Today, after I rebooted after an upgrade a day or two ago, suddenly there are no icons on my desktop in xfce. Usually it has a few filesystems and some random other things, but today it is blank. The menus are there as usual, though, so I can still use the thing. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kunt68$528$1...@ger.gmane.org
top menu and icon bar gets glued to mouse ponter in xfce..
I'm using xfce on jessie. It's convenient that I can get the top icon bar to minimize until the mouse pointer reached it; I have a small screen. It's occasionally convenient to be able to left-click on the little handle at the left and move it elsewhere by moving the pointer while holding the left button down. But every now and then I move the mouse onto the top strip, and it expands, and whatever I do with my mouse afterward, the top bar follows my mouse around. It's as if I have my left mouse button held don permanently. I'm using a physical mouse here, but my laptop also has a touchpad which I usually don't use unless I've left my mouse behind somewhere. I can sometimes move the mouse away from the top bar *really fast* and the bar is unable to keep up, and gets left behind somewhere partway down the screen (whereupon it immediately minimizes to a small bloc on the left edge). Moving my mouse back, without pressing buttons, and it expands and glues itself onto the mouse again. Anyone know a way to get it to top stalking the mouse pointer? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kulld7$auj$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:29:06 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
Hendrik Boom, 3.08.2013:
Every other program on my laptop finds the right IP number for
slashdot.
It's just Chromium that doesn't. Even Chrome gets it right. Somewhere
Chromium has hidden state I can't expunge.
You could try purging the package (apt-get remove --purge ...) and get
rid of all not-user-specific state. And then you could install again
and see if the problem persists. I don't use chromium much but
*presumably* your bookmarks and other info you'd like to keep are stored
in your home directory and will live through the purge.
Good idea.
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:12:34 +, Curt wrote:
On 2013-08-03, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
And if the secret bit of state I can't expunge ends up getting synced
along with the bookmarks, things may get worse instead of better.
You moved (I haven't been following the thread) the '~/.config/chromium'
directory out of the way already ('mv chromium chromium.bak' or whatever
to see whether the bug was hiding in there somewhere)?
Good idea. And less drastic.
This suggests the even loss drastic test of logging in as a different
user and seeing if they have the problem. There is a guest account on
the laptop, for example.
Thanks.
-- hendrik
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Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:45:26 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 04:43:07PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: It's been most of a week now, and the problem persists. Chromium still insists on going to the website normally known as topoi.pooq.com when I request slashdot.org. Neither iceweasel nor chrome do this; both find the proper slashdot.org. Even ping finds the proper site. The problem presumably started a week ago when there was a temporary networking problem, but only chromium seems to have fixated on the wrong IP address. I have followed the procedure for clearing chromium's dns cache. When I look at the cache contents, slashdot isn't in it. Does chromium have another, secret cache? And it appears that I do not have nscd running, or even installed. I'm starting to think of shuttering chromium forever, assuming I can copy its bookmarks elsewhere, say, to chrome. ---end quoted text--- Why would you need to copy your bookmarks? Presumably you used bookmark sync with Chromium, thus they will be available to Google-Chrome when you login into your Google account the 1st time in Chrome. I'm using both Chromium and Chrome. It's not entirely clear to me that sync will merge the two sets of bookmarks instead of having one set clobber the other. Have you tried using a different DNS server? Try the Google DNS servers, Google will give you their address -- I don't have them handy at the moment. I am already using the Google DNS servers. The DHCP server on my LAN tells all my machines to use Google's DNS servers. Every other program on my laptop finds the right IP number for slashdot. It's just Chromium that doesn't. Even Chrome gets it right. Somewhere Chromium has hidden state I can't expunge. And if the secret bit of state I can't expunge ends up getting synced along with the bookmarks, things may get worse instead of better. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktj2of$5uo$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Dotfiles
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:12:40 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:08:05AM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:06:17 -0500, Yaro Yaro wrote: Package managers don't track .dotfiles. No, they don't. That, of course, is part of the problem. Ummm, no it isn't. It is a serious bug if any package interferes with files in your home directory. Quite right. I'd be happy if there were an index somewhere that I could use for guidance. And is anyone tracking whether different packages might be using the same dotfile incompatibly? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktj3fh$65o$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Dotfiles
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:55:38 +0100, Chris Davies wrote: Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa 02.07.2013 23:32 John Hasler wrote / napísal(a): Look at the access times. Dotfiles that have not been accessed in years can probably be safely removed. Sure, but do not forget, that the relatime (default one) and noatime mount options are going into play, then the results can be inappropriate. A filesystem mounted with relatime is pretty safe, as for each file that's accessed, its access time is updated at least once a day. This from the mount manpage (wheezy) in the section for relatime: Access time is only updated if the previous access time was earlier than the current modify or change time [...] Since Linux 2.6.30, the kernel defaults to the behavior provided by this option [...]. In addition, since Linux 2.6.30, the file's last access time is always updated if it is more than 1 day old. Given the OP is looking for really old files that haven't been accessed, then the technique will still work on relatime filesystems. Well, yes, really old is a guide. But if it's a dotfile that belongs to a package I use, say, once every leap year, I'd still like to have it around. A filesystem mounted with noatime can probably be switched to relatime with little or no disadvantageous effect. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktj3pn$5uo$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Dotfiles
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 23:20:31 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: The point about mentioning browsers is that you don't generally look there. The other point about browsers is that when I look at my home directory with firefox, the dotfiles take up most of the visual space. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktj421$5uo$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: encrypted USB backup.
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 01:03:39 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:00:35 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com What is the recommended way to set up part of a USB volume as an encrypted volume, so that I can back up those few of my files that actually contain secrets? You could try using encfs. -Rob Yes. That looks as if it will work and be easy to use. And it's what I ended up using. Thanks, all, -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktj4bm$5uo$4...@ger.gmane.org
xfce terminal first-time unusable.
Starting a few months ago, on my wheezy systems (all of them) the colours of the normal shell window have changed to unusable -- black foreground on black background. It's easy enough to fix, by editing preferences, but I really wonder what's going on. It happens anew with each user, the first time s/he tries to use this terminal. So I edit preferences again for each user on each machine. Once edited (by telling it not to use system defaults) it stays working properly. But I can't imagine a developer deliberately choosing such a ridiculous colour scheme, so something must be wrong. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ktbnuk$je3$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:57:14 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some internal DNS cache. It now looks as if chromium's DNS cache may not be the problem. Chromium must be getting slashdot's IP address from somewhere else -- somewhere that firefox and ping don't access. How can I get it to forget it? -- hendrik Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the Clear host cache button. After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, slashdot.org doesn't appear in the listing of the cache entries on that page. But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot. And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site. And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tells mem it *does* have slashdot.org in its cache, with the right IP number. The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly has different contents from the one that chrome reveals -- which confirms that they have different caches. And even after browsing to slashdot.org in chromium and getting to the wrong place, going to chrome://net-internals/#dns with chromium still indicates that slashdot.org is not in the cache. So I'm suspecting that chrome://net-internals/#dns may not reeveal the real cache in chromium. So where *is* chromium getting this misinformation? Just for reference, here's my /etc/resolv.conf file: # Generated by NetworkManager domain topoi.pooq.com search topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 -- hendrik Source - http://superuser.com/a/203702 It's been most of a week now, and the problem persists. Chromium still insists on going to the website normally known as topoi.pooq.com when I request slashdot.org. Neither iceweasel nor chrome do this; both find the proper slashdot.org. Even ping finds the proper site. The problem presumably started a week ago when there was a temporary networking problem, but only chromium seems to have fixated on the wrong IP address. I have followed the procedure for clearing chromium's dns cache. When I look at the cache contents, slashdot isn't in it. Does chromium have another, secret cache? And it appears that I do not have nscd running, or even installed. I'm starting to think of shuttering chromium forever, assuming I can copy its bookmarks elsewhere, say, to chrome. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ks95ur$mvr$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: No nscd as far as I can tell.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:21:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:01:56 +1000, Igor Cicimov wrote: Do you have nscd running by any chance? Doesn't look like, unless it hides under an alias: root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# ps -Al | grep nscd root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# OK, OK. It might even bbe part of the kernel and not be a program at all. How *do* I tell if I'm using nscd? Besides, if nscd was the culprit, wouldn't ping also be redirected to the wrong IP number? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ks0ugb$h7t$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some internal DNS cache. It now looks as if chromium's DNS cache may not be the problem. Chromium must be getting slashdot's IP address from somewhere else -- somewhere that firefox and ping don't access. How can I get it to forget it? -- hendrik Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the Clear host cache button. After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, slashdot.org doesn't appear in the listing of the cache entries on that page. But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot. And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site. And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tells mem it *does* have slashdot.org in its cache, with the right IP number. The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly has different contents from the one that chrome reveals -- which confirms that they have different caches. And even after browsing to slashdot.org in chromium and getting to the wrong place, going to chrome://net-internals/#dns with chromium still indicates that slashdot.org is not in the cache. So I'm suspecting that chrome://net-internals/#dns may not reeveal the real cache in chromium. So where *is* chromium getting this misinformation? Just for reference, here's my /etc/resolv.conf file: # Generated by NetworkManager domain topoi.pooq.com search topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 -- hendrik Source - http://superuser.com/a/203702 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/krue89$l0o$1...@ger.gmane.org
No nscd as far as I can tell.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:01:56 +1000, Igor Cicimov wrote: Do you have nscd running by any chance? Doesn't look like, unless it hides under an alias: root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# ps -Al | grep nscd root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# -- hendrik On 15/07/2013 12:58 AM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some internal DNS cache. It now looks as if chromium's DNS cache may not be the problem. Chromium must be getting slashdot's IP address from somewhere else -- somewhere that firefox and ping don't access. How can I get it to forget it? -- hendrik Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the Clear host cache button. After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, slashdot.org doesn't appear in the listing of the cache entries on that page. But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot. And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site. And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tells mem it *does* have slashdot.org in its cache, with the right IP number. The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly has different contents from the one that chrome reveals -- which confirms that they have different caches. And even after browsing to slashdot.org in chromium and getting to the wrong place, going to chrome://net-internals/#dns with chromium still indicates that slashdot.org is not in the cache. So I'm suspecting that chrome://net-internals/#dns may not reeveal the real cache in chromium. So where *is* chromium getting this misinformation? Just for reference, here's my /etc/resolv.conf file: # Generated by NetworkManager domain topoi.pooq.com search topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 -- hendrik Source - http://superuser.com/a/203702 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/krue89$l0o$1...@ger.gmane.org p dir=ltrDo you have nscd running by any chance?br /p div class=gmail_quoteOn 15/07/2013 12:58 AM, quot;Hendrik Boomquot; lt;a href=mailto:hend...@topoi.pooq.com;hend...@topoi.pooq.com/agt; wrote:br type=attributionblockquote class=gmail_quote style=margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote:br br gt; On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:br gt;gt; For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head thatbr gt;gt; slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse tobr gt;gt; a href=http://slashdot.org; target=_blankslashdot.org/a using chromium, the displayed contents are identical tobr gt;gt; the contents at a href=tel:16.165.131.134 value=+1616513113416.165.131.134/a, which contains my personal web site.br gt;gt;br gt;gt; Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site.br gt;gt;br gt;gt; And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP numberbr gt;gt; a href=tel:216.34.181.45 value=+12163418145216.34.181.45/a instead of the domain name.br gt;gt;br gt;gt; So I#39;m guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in somebr gt;gt; internal DNS cache.br br It now looks as if chromium#39;s DNS cache may not be the problem. Chromiumbr must be getting slashdot#39;s IP address from somewhere else -- somewherebr that firefox and ping don#39;t access.br br gt;gt;br gt;gt; How can I get it to forget it?br gt;gt;br gt;gt; -- hendrikbr gt;br gt; Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the quot;Clear host cachequot;br gt; button.br br After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, a href=http://slashdot.org; target=_blankslashdot.org/abr doesn#39;t appear in the listing of the cache entries on that page.br br But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot.br br And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site.br br And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tellsbr mem it *does* have a href=http://slashdot.org; target=_blankslashdot.org/a in its cache, with the right IP number.br br The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly hasbr different contents from
Deleting chromium DNS cache entry
For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some internal DNS cache. How can I get it to forget it? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/krsdte$q83$1...@ger.gmane.org
Dotfiles
There are lots of .dotfiles cluttering my home directory. No doubt some of them are useful. Many, though, are probably remnants of packages of years past -- packages I installed long ago, no longer need, and have removed. Is there any way of identifying which packages are using which dotfiles? And which ones are obsolete -- the user equivalent of configuration files, which are properly tracked by the package manager? Should there be? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kqvebj$6h5$1...@ger.gmane.org
encrypted USB backup.
What is the recommended way to set up part of a USB volume as an encrypted volume, so that I can back up those few of my files that actually contain secrets? This is not a backup over the net. I have no need to encrypt the data transmission. I already back up the bulk of my files transparently (so as not to lose the data by losing an encryption key). I just need to encrypt a few of them -- a file here and there, and a directory or two. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kqvejm$6h5$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Dotfiles
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 19:02:08 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: Y'all are really taking all of the fun out of this. Here's the point - this is an exercise. There is no good reason to do this. What, you've got a 10 meg disk that is at 95%? Well, if you pay shipping, I've got a extra 40 meg that I use as a book end that I'll send you. It's not physical space that's the problem -- it's namespace pollution. Keep the files or delete them, but you've got no good reason for worrying about them - do you clear your browser's history (cache, etc) because the store has too many files? The browsers maintain their own cache policy. And nowadays they put them in ~/.cache, which is reasonably out of the way. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kqvs3r$qca$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: encrypted USB backup.
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:00:35 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com What is the recommended way to set up part of a USB volume as an encrypted volume, so that I can back up those few of my files that actually contain secrets? You could try using encfs. -Rob Yes. That looks as if it will work and be easy to use. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kqvt9a$qca$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Dotfiles
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:06:17 -0500, Yaro Yaro wrote: Package managers don't track .dotfiles. No, they don't. That, of course, is part of the problem. But it would be useful if packages were to have a standard format for declaring what dotfiles the package is in charge of. Much like the way packages declare their dependencies. This would be useful even if it were not enforced. It would give us a clue. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kqvthk$qca$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: INSTALLATION OF DEBIAN IN WINDOWS XP
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:43:21 -0400, Doug wrote: On 06/26/2013 09:35 AM, KANDREGULA SAIAJAY wrote: Hello sir, I want to install debian O.S in my windows xp 32 bit P.C .. Can u give the step by step procedure for it with images(if possible) .. I personally think it is much better to dual-boot Windows and Linux. Linux can read and write the Windows partition, so you can communicate between systems that way, if you need to. (There will be very few times, in my experience, when you need to, but you can.) Instructions: Download and burn to CD GParted or PartedMagic. Both of these are bootable disks. You just need one of them. Boot your PC on the disk you just burned. Shrink your Windows partition, but leave at least 25% space at the end for more Windows programs or files. Windows is in a PRIMARY partition. Not all PC's are set up this way, with a single Windows partition. My Windows laptop came with four primary partitions. The first one contained the running copy of Windows itself. The second was empty. The third one was listed as Hidden W95 FAT32 (LBA) by fdisk. I suspect it contains the raw materials for the so-called 'restore' disk, which would restore the entire machine to its virginal pristine condition. Or maybe that's where it suspends to when I close it up. I don't know. The fourth one was the so-called EFI partition. I suspect that one is used at boot time for at least Windows, and possibly for Linux. I know systems that boot from hard drives with more than 2 terabytes need an EFI partition. But I don't know why my 160GB hard drive needed one. The one I ended up changing into an extended partition was the empty one. That's where I created all the partitions Linux needs. Now read on: -- hendrik Now make an EXTENDED partition to cover the rest of the hard disk. In that extended partition, you can make LOGICAL partitions. Make two partitions, / (about 15 GB) and /home (about 30GB). These will be plenty big enough for all reasonable use. Format them ext4. Make one swap partition, (format swap) about twice the size of your RAM. Now (I assume you have downloaded and burned a DVD with Debian installation on it) boot up the computer with the Deb install disk, and follow directions. When it asks about where to install, point it to the partitions you just made. When you are finished, take out the install disk and reboot the computer, you should have a screen which allows you to select XP or Linux. (It's been a couple of years since I installed a Debian distro, but the above is pretty generic.) Welcome to Linux! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kql1r9$kju$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: trouble formatting 3TB Seagate external HDrives. need help
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:55:46 -0600, paul condon wrote: I have two 3TB Seagate external HDs. They were purchased from different stores at slightly different times earlier this year, here in Colorado. I want them to have ext4 file systems on them, excepting if someone on this list can give a reason otherwise. I have googled and gotten a lot of hits, which indicate to me that this is a well known problem. Unfortunately, I have difficulty following the instructions, and all my efforts have not reached a successful conclusion. Now with further trys, it seems to me that stuff has been written onto the drives that needs to be wiped off because I get messages that from the disk utility in xfce4 that it won't overwrite a disk with data on it. So I want to use dd to wipe a complete drive. What I do for every new disk before I use it is an exhaustive read/write check with badblocks. It reads and writes every block multiple times with various bitpatterns and random bitpatterns, and check that they can be read correctly. If there's anything wrong with the drive, I return it to the store for a replacement. And yes, I have had to return drives sometimes. Those turned out to have thousands of bad blocks, so good riddance. The process does wipe the drive clean. And you'll find ouot if the drive is defective -- it's just possible that that's part of your problem. Be careful not to do this with the drive that contains your real OS and data by mistake. For drives larger than 2 terabytes, use gdisk instead of fdisk. Read the online documentation first; there are significant differences. In particular gdisk makes all the changes immediately instead of saving them up to write them when everything's done. So there's no leaing things alone by quitting at the end instead of writing, For this I have found the following: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg bs=1M In the above, I have already changed the HD device to sdg (from sda), but I wonder about bs=1M. Could the process go faster with a larger block size? What are the criteria for choosing a value for bs? And, how long should a 3T wipe take to complete? The job has been running for about 12 hours. Would it go faster with a different bs? Faster enough to make the waste of 12hrs running worthwhile? Is there some way to invoke an 'progress indicator' for dd? And, in general, is there a better way? TIA paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kql2f1$kju$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: wifi disappeared completely last night on a Debina Jessie laptop.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:05:52 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:59:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 10 iun 13, 04:04:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: I think -- maybe I should ask it to shut down wifi altogether (using the network manager's menu, and then ask it to turn it on again. Maybe then it will rescan. Yes, it will. But instead, after turning it off, the item has vanished from the menu, and I can find no way to get it back. What item from which menu? I'm assuming you mean the Enable Wi-Fi item in the nm-applet right-click menu. Yes, that was the item. It should not disappear. Well, I've got it using wifi again yesterday, but now I need to know what the right way to get it to rescan for access points. The wifi hub has once more failed and been restarted, and the laptop seems to have given up on it. '4133' is not in the list of accessible SSIDs, and even though 4133 is up again (other devices have no trouble reaching it), my laptop does not rescan. I seem to remember a time when it would constantly rescan in case something changed (but maybe I have mixed it up with another system). I'm understandably leery of disabling wifi and renabling it, given the disappearance of the menu item. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kp8hs9$kgf$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: wifi disappeared completely last night on a Debina Jessie laptop.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:04:41 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I press F2 again, and verify that WLAN is indeed enabled -- I seem to have done that right. I boot Debian wheezy, using grub2. once I log in, there's no wifi. When I reboot and check the BIOS again, the WLAN device is again disabled. It looks as if somewhere Linux has got the idea that wifi is supposed to be off, and upon boot it tells the BIOS to disable the WLAN device. And then the network manager thinks I don't have a wifi device and refuses to give me any options to turn it on again. For the record, I also have Windows Xp on this system, and booting Windows did not shut off wifi in the BIOS. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kp50pj$22r$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: wifi disappeared completely last night on a Debina Jessie laptop.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:45:25 +, xavi wrote: I have the same problem. And I resolved it installing wicd. Never trust in network manager :) Thanks. Maybe I will. But in the meantime I managed to get it up again using rfkill, so I have a chance to think a bit more before acting. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kp5152$22r$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: wifi disappeared completely last night on a Debina Jessie laptop.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:59:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 10 iun 13, 04:04:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: I think -- maybe I should ask it to shut down wifi altogether (using the network manager's menu, and then ask it to turn it on again. Maybe then it will rescan. Yes, it will. But instead, after turning it off, the item has vanished from the menu, and I can find no way to get it back. What item from which menu? I'm assuming you mean the Enable Wi-Fi item in the nm-applet right-click menu. Yes, that was the item. It should not disappear. [snip] It looks as if somewhere Linux has got the idea that wifi is supposed to be off, and upon boot it tells the BIOS to disable the WLAN device. And then the network manager thinks I don't have a wifi device and refuses to give me any options to turn it on again. As far as I recall Network Manager is using rfkill to disable the WiFi[1]. See if the command 'rfkill' helps. rfkill worked. I first had to install it. Good thing I still had a wired ethernet socket on the machine. [1] this generally is not such a bad idea, because it will save power. It would be a much better idea if it didn't abrogate the possibility of turning it on again. Technically, I suppose the possibility is still there, becaus I could use rfkill. But switching from a menu to a unknown root-level shell command is a terrible user interface. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kp511g$22r$2...@ger.gmane.org
wifi disappeared completely last night on a Debina Jessie laptop.
Now the wifi access point at home is a bit flaky. Every now and then we have to reset it. I run jessie on my laptop, and upgrade it every few days, so it's reasonably up-to-date. The laptop is an ASUS 1000H (or HE? I forget) -- the first of the EEEPC's that was completely Linux-compatible without the use of proprietary drivers. So when I came home tonight, wifi appeared to be down, and 4133 (my SSID) was not in the list of SSIDs my laptop said was up. I reset the wifi access point. 4133 did not appear. I wished I knew how to get the network manager (that's the component that manages the wifi connection in XFCE, right?) to rescan and look for wifi access points again. It has no trouble finding ny neighbour's access points, but not mine. I verify that the wifi access point is indeed up by accessing it with an Android tablet. I think -- maybe I should ask it to shut down wifi altogether (using the network manager's menu, and then ask it to turn it on again. Maybe then it will rescan. But instead, after turning it off, the item has vanished from the menu, and I can find no way to get it back. OK. Or rather, KO. Evidently something has got into a state. I shut them machine down -- complete power down and reboot. Upon logging in, no wifi -- no wifi at all, not even the usual list of locked SSIDs I could try in vain to connect to. I reboot again, holding F2 to get to the BIOS. Indeed, the WLAN device is disabled. I enable ig, use F10 to save and quit. It gets me back to the splash page that invites me to press F2 to configure the BIOS. I press F2 again, and verify that WLAN is indeed enabled -- I seem to have done that right. I boot Debian wheezy, using grub2. once I log in, there's no wifi. When I reboot and check the BIOS again, the WLAN device is again disabled. It looks as if somewhere Linux has got the idea that wifi is supposed to be off, and upon boot it tells the BIOS to disable the WLAN device. And then the network manager thinks I don't have a wifi device and refuses to give me any options to turn it on again. How do I get out of this mess? Presumably there's some configuration file I can edit Meanwhile, the other wifi devices in the house are still working just fine. -- hendrik P.S. Something like this happened to me last summer when I was still running wheezy/testing, and editing thBIOS configuration was all I needed to get things working again. It did seem that the network manager shut off wifi in the BIOS to so stop wifi. But last summer turning it on in the BIOS was enough to get it back. It's almost as if the network manager has remembered my request to turn off wifi and, upon reboot, turns of the BIOS again, thereupon refusing to believe there's a wifi device. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kp3j8n$jv3$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Debian in the sunshine? transreflective screen?
On Thu, 09 May 2013 00:19:26 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: I'm a long-time user of Debian, and also have an e-paper ebook reader. It occurs to me that something like a Debian laptop with an e-ink screen would be extremely useful, for, say, sitting on a sunny back porch in the summer and programming -- a situation where the normal luminous screens are a complete washout. No, I don't expect to be able to watch videos on You might like to try and find a laptop with a transflective screen. Stefan Looking that up, I find Pixel Qi (and I suspect the Qi is pronounced Chi). Apparently someone has even taken a laptop apart and replaced the screen with one of Pixel Qi's, so there is at least some measure of physical and electronic compatibility with the usual screens. He said it improved battery life. too. But it's not clear whether you can just order a replacement screen for a particular laptop form them, or whether this is a carefully managed demo. Nor do I know how good the image is -- there are just too many ways of doing things with cameras for me to be sure. Anyone have any user experience with transreflective screens? Are they like the LCD screens on the old Nintendo hand-helds -- the ones with an optional backlight? If so, are they better now? Aparently Pixel Qi is a spinoff from the OLPC project. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kmljkr$c6g$1...@ger.gmane.org
