Re: Anyone used a Lindows Laptop?
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:24:17PM +1100, John wrote: Hi I have just started looking for a new laptop courtesy of the logic board on my ibook dying and being hit for a Aust $935 bill for a new one. I have been looking at the Lindows Mobile PC which I could get for Aust $1165 from sub300.com. I have been trying to find some reviews by people who have purchased a Lindows Laptop but have not had much luck? I have seen a few posts that say describe upgrading the Lindows to Debian Unstable and it sounds quite easy. Just wondering if anyone has used this laptop and has any comments. snip the first thing laptop mfgrs leave out is battery life. So, I checked and it has 2 hrs max. so, that was a deal breaker for me. I have had a little experience with lindows 3.0 desktop. It was based on stable I think. And you could do some selective apt-geting. But from my very limited stable-unstable attempt, it didnt work. Also, it had only root logon. and it disabled virtual terminals, so you could not fix things if they went very wrong. But the newer version may be better. BTW to you have a link so that I can check outt he 'lindows upgrade' article. HTH -Kev signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Earthlink and Swen
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:56:59PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:08:23PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: ... I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web via squid... I run Apache but it too is locked down to localhost. My mail is run through my ISP's (earthlink's) virus and spam filters before I get it (otherwise I'd be getting like 10 Svens per day). I do see, from time to time, Apache refusing connections attempts which are generally attacks by Windoze worms. I had a long talk with earthlink a month or two ago in which they told me they were not filtering out swen (and they certainly weren't; I got a ton). Soon after that, I did see some swen-like stuff in their spam filter for my account (but I also saw plenty still coming at me). What's your basis for saying they are filtering out swen, rather than that you're just getting less swen? Hi, I had a few choice words for earthlink after they responsed to my emails. They said spam they could filter but viruses 'somehow' require them to scan the entire email and this would 'invade' my privacy. I told them that was bs. so having my 10mb email account fill up and start bouncing and losing emails was what I was suppose to get for my bucks?! They offer a 'blocking' black list web page but you have to enter a single email address, no regex. Like spamers use a single address! all in all earthlink sucks. and of course they dont offer encrtpted mail like secure pop or imap. -Kev signature.asc Description: Digital signature
xinerama 2 monitors help
Hi Debianistas, I'm trying to setup 2 monitors. one is a isa t9680 (cirrus logic) - max 800x640 8bit and the other is a ati 1024x768 16 bit. I had the ati working and then I added the isa card. Ever since then, the isa is the only one recognized. I did a X -configure but it did not work 100% although I used it as a template and have since modified it to almost work. first, the original 'X -configure' did not work but then I changed it so now the modified one does not 'crash and burn' but now instead I have the modifed config that contains a refernce to both cards with the result being that the isa displays ok and the other does not respond. for the sake of ease, I setup both to do 800x600 at 8 bit since both can do this. if anyone can make a suggestion, please do. include is my /etc/X11/XF86config-4 and /var/log/XF86.0.log Section ServerLayout Identifier XFree86 Configured # Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 Screen 0 Screen1 0 0 # Screen 1 Screen1 RightOf Screen0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard Option Xinerama On EndSection Section Files RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ EndSection Section Module LoadGLcore Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype # Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord # Loadspeedo Loadtype1 Loadvbe # Loadxtt Load record Load xtrap EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Device /dev/mouse EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 50-75 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 50-75 Option DPMS EndSection #Section Device #Option ShadowFB # [bool] # Identifier Card0 # Driver vesa # BusID ISA #EndSection Section Device #Option ShadowFB # [bool] Identifier Card1 # Driver vesa Driver ati VendorName ATI BoardName Mach64 VU ChipSet ati ChipId 0x5655 ChipRev 0x9a # BusID PCI:0:8:0 EndSection #Section Screen # Identifier Screen0 # Device Card0 # MonitorMonitor0 # DefaultDepth 8 # SubSection Display # Depth 8 # Modes 800x600 # EndSubSection #EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen1 Device Card1 MonitorMonitor1 DefaultDepth 8 SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-12.1 20031003005825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 18 October 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Thu Dec 4 02:46:35 2003 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (==) ServerLayout XFree86 Configured (**) |--Screen Screen1 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor1 (**) | |--Device Card1 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to
Re: Can't play audio CDs
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Re: Can't play audio CDs
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:47:33AM -0500, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I can't play audio CDs on my Mac 8500. It's running debian for PowerPC, but I don't know if it's a problem with the powerpc port. I have /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0 (first SCSI CD drive). The permissions for /dev/scd0 are rw-rw-rw-. note that to play a music cd, permissions of the device do not affect this. you also do not mount a music cd to play it. I have esound installed. I've tried this with and without esd actually running. Some programs (like Mozilla :-/) won't work if esd is running. I know that sound works because I can use mpg123 and xmms to play MP3s. I've tried workbone, grip and the Gnome CD player applet. What error messages do they give? (list them) Workbone just prints its help message and exits. Grip will display the list of tracks and their times, but then the UI will become unresponsive. I have to kill the process to make it quit. This would suggest that the cd is recognized but there is someother problem like the sound volume and or the sound module. The Gnome CD player applet will start showing elapsed time when I click the play button, but I don't get any sound. what are you using for a sound mixer ( I use aumix which is a console mixer on my i386) what if any messages apprear in /var/log/messages referring to a) your cdrom b) while using any apps (from above). what soundcard driver? HTH -K bin0.bin Description: PGP Key 0xA75603D7.
Re: eject command for normal users and some other stuff
On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 11:59:30PM -0500, H. S. wrote:
Andreas Janssen wrote:
Hello
H S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Okay, I am going to take this step by step because I have many issues
unresolved. I am connected to the internet through an ADSL modem (use
pon dsl-provider to get online). But how do I make a normal user
able to connect using dsl-provide? At present, only root can do that.
Does adding your user account to the dip group help?
Nope, it didn't :(
Now I am a member of the these groups also: cdrom audio dip
Here is what I get now:
{tmp} pon dsl-provider
/usr/sbin/pppd: Can't open options file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider:
Permission denied
{tmp} ls -l /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider
-rw---1 root root 1813 Nov 14 01:12
/etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider
Am I supposed to change thepermission fo the above file manually?
-HS
Not sure about manually but on my system these files are set to
root/dip with perms of 640.
so as root do:
chown root:dip /etc/ppp/peers/*
chmod 640 /etc/ppp/peers/*
Thats my suggestion.
-Kev
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Re: newbie boot log question
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 04:45:53AM +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 19:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to review the lines and lines of text that printout during startup, but they quickly scroll off the screen. just type 'dmesg'. Once done, you maybe want to type 'dmesg | less' :) HTH, Schnobs Hi, yes dmesg will show what happends from boot to init. to see what happends after, look at /var/log/messages it show what happens from init to shutdown. The difference is that dmesg is reset after each reboot but /var/log/messages is kept and eventually has its log rotated. Also try tail -f /var/log/messages and then insert something (a usb device, a pcmcia card) and what the result. (do ctrl - c to break out of the tail) -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to get away with small /var partition
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 02:43:10AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: snip 2 = extended partition (the rest of the harddrive) 5 = swap (256 megs) 6 = /var (256 megs) 7 = /misc (the rest of the harddrive) After a virgin install, I log on as root and... mv /home /misc/home ln -s /misc/home /home What's nice is that when I go to a newer version, I can reformat the 1st partition and install the new version. Then I log on as root and... rm -r /home ln -s /misc/home /home And I'm back in business. And since I'm running my machine only for me, mutt and slrnpull spool directly to my user dir. My understanding is that Debian loads a whole slew of packages in /var during the main install and I need to have at least a gig of space. Is that correct ? Which directory ? Is it possible to symlink that directory elsewhere ? /var/cache/apt/archives is where your software package downloads (deb files) go. I have a seperate partition for this. My /var is about 500mb but /var/cache/apt/archives is 3gb. I 'mount' /var/cache/apt/archives under /var by adding the partition entry in my /etc/fstabs, and do not use a symlink. There are options to clean out some or all of the deb files (the 'clean' option) but I dont use it. Also, /var/www is the default for html web docuements. SO, consider that when you make /var. (also if you have an active website, /var/log can become big) -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lost root password
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, tripolar wrote: while installing sarge on my parents pc using new installer ( sweet!!) when it came to typing in root password I typed it twice in same line but didnt notice until it came for me to verify my typing again. I left the second line blank thinking when i rebooted there would be no password and could easily add root password then. No suck luck. rebooted and tried one instance of root passwd and two instances of root passwd. no luck. cant log in. I rebooted there machine with a knoppix cd, mounted the harddrive read-write, used vi to edit /etc/shadow /etc/passwd to reset root password. still no luck what am i missing? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can boot into single user mode or do a chroot. chroot is easy. boot up knoppix. goto console (for root access). I'll assume /dev/hda1 is your root. do mount /dev/hda1 /mnt chroot /mnt (you are not root on you debian install) passwd (this will change the root password) exit (done, reboot and takeout cd from drive) (try new root password) the other way is to boot into your debian machien with the boot option: S so, Boot: linux s or Boot: knoppix s which ever is the 'label' in your lilo.conf file. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: broken apt-get/dpkg
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Dan Davison wrote: Hi, I can't remove a package (powernowd) despite trying various forcing options and --purge etc with apt-get and dpkg. The error output is below. Could someone tell me what I should do in this situation please? The only other thing I've tried is to rename the file mentioned in the output (invoke-rc.d): similar messages result but without the reference to this file (output pasted at the bottom of this email). Thanks, Dan dd:/usr/sbin# apt-get remove powernowd Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: powernowd 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 197 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 94.2kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y (Reading database ... 47071 files and directories currently installed.) Removing powernowd ... Stopping powernowd: invoke-rc.d: initscript powernowd, action stop failed. dpkg: error processing powernowd (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Starting powernowd: powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.80, (c) 2003 John Clemens powernowd: Found 1 cpu. Couldn't open file: No such file or directory Couldn't open file: No such file or directory Couldn't open file: No such file or directory couldn't open govn's file for writing: No such file or directory Couldn't get per-cpu data: Illegal seek invoke-rc.d: initscript powernowd, action start failed. dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: powernowd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) dd:/usr/sbin# apt-get remove --purge powernowd Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: powernowd* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 197 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 94.2kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y (Reading database ... 47071 files and directories currently installed.) Removing powernowd ... Stopping powernowd: dpkg: error processing powernowd (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 what is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/powernowd.prerm ? is there a /etc/init.d/powernowd ? and what happens if you: /etc/init.d/powernowd stop ? -kev Starting powernowd: powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.80, (c) 2003 John Clemens powernowd: Found 1 cpu. Couldn't open file: No such file or directory Couldn't open file: No such file or directory Couldn't open file: No such file or directory couldn't open govn's file for writing: No such file or directory Couldn't get per-cpu data: Illegal seek dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: powernowd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- dan davison http://home.uchicago.edu/~davison/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: communication structures crumbled
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Tom wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 06:16:39AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: To us debian users, the most notable thing during this break in or whatever episode, is how the communication structures crumbled. Tru enough, there was some info but it was scattered. I personnaly checked slashdot after someone on debian-user said 'the sky is falling'. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. I didnt read slashdot that day! And it wasn't in H1 on debian.org. debian-announce had one message on the 21st, five days ago, saying for more information, see www.debian.org. Nothing special there, so I checked http://www.debian.org/security/, same problem. With the mailing lists affected, what would average user me do to learn the latest on the situation, google around? Googleing around just lead me to some stale discussion on the mailing lists before they got turned off. At least some latest news could have been posted to the main website. I bet there's been plenty of discussion amongs the devs themselves on IRC and various back-channels. Certainly, I think that was a big deal in the gnu world. But for a 10 year old gnu project that is totally free and contains 100's of developer and thousands of projects that is competing with the likes of Billionaire Bill, Scott 'god' Nealy and others, it faired pretty well. (A new IE bug annouced today! -- number #112) This whole experience has pointed out just what amateur status the Debian project is at. Of course, the devs would say: So what? and they'd be right. If you mean 'amateur' because no one is on a payroll, I agree. But the password crack could happen to any os/corp./users. People are of course the weakest link in the chain (vs automated build processes, hardware failure or other things). But since the deb's were fine and the other systems were mostly up in a few days(cvs'd or backed up), it seems pretty great to me. Someone said that because debian lives on more that one cpu, it slowed the script kiddies down. Cool! (take that MS,RH,etc) As soon as they integreate the MD5 checks into apt it will be a bit more secure. While I agree that the main thing that was buggy was the lack of easily accessible info, the various debian 'systems' (build, packaging,developers) worked quite well. Security through openness is better than the closed source way or the worse the DMCA-your-ass-in-jail way! -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eject command for normal users and some other stuff
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 07:34:24PM -0500, H S wrote: Hi, First of all a little background: snip To start with, I had installed Woody from the 6 (or 7?) CDs. Then I did a dist-upgrade. And lost KDE. It was asking for some ] nonexistant package (something to do with libsensors). This is a know bug, the mailing list has fix. snip Okay, I am going to take this step by step because I have many issues unresolved. I am connected to the internet through an ADSL modem (use pon dsl-provider to get online). But how do I make a normal user able to connect using dsl-provide? At present, only root can do that. I believe this a permission issue. you have to be part of the dialout group. So, as root, 'addgroup kevin dialout' where kevin is the new user. Next, for some reason, eject command is also root only? How do I make normal user also be able to use that as well? another permission issue, not sure if its 'adduser kevin cdrom'??? That is all for now. I have some queries about sharing partition between Debian and Fedora (currently, I am sharing /boot and /swap), mainly to do with sharing the same /home. But that I will leave for another post. thanks, -HS -- __ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Where Best to Express My Rage at M$
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Thomas H. George wrote: I plan to send copies of the body of this message to the presidents of Systemax and Tiger Direct, my senators, my congressmen and any one else who might have influence. I am postint it here for suggestions for addresses. The body is as follows: I am enraged by the manipulations of Microsoft Corp which may force me to pay for something I already own. Several years ago I puchased a Systemax computer from Tiger Direct which came with Microsoft Windows ME pre-loaded and accompanied by a Systemax Recovery CD (not a set of installation CD's for Windows ME). My understanding was that I had purchased a single computer license for Windows ME which the recovery disk would allow me to reinstall after the ubiquitous Windows crashes. Use of the recovery disk is awkward but this was not of great concern as I make only limited use of Windows. This is your first wrong asumption, from what I know. You do not get a 'full licenced version' of Windows with 99% of PC's. I have also heard that you actually purchase a 'hw/sw bundle' where the SW/HW are under one license from the OEM. And thus, it is not a transferable OS license. Wishing to be able to backup data to DVD+RW disks, I recently removed the originial motherboard and cpu and installed a new motherboard and cpu which support USB 2. The Systemax Recovery Disk was keyed to the mother board and/or cpu and will no longer work. See above. It is within their rights to make bad/stupid agreements. *This is clearly a devising of Microsoft Corp to insure that I do not violate the license agreement by installing the Windows ME operating system on more than one computer.I HAVE NOT VIOLATED THE CONTRACT! I stilll have the original motherboard and cpu which were operable when I removed them and presumably are still operable if they were reinstalled but they sit unused in a box in my closet. *The solution would seem to be straightforward: Contact Systemax and obtain a new recovery disk agreeing to destroy the old motherboard/cpu. An email to Systemax tech support elicited the response that, as the computer was more than 90 days out of warranty, I would have to use Systemax's telephone support at $40 per 30 minutes. So pay Systemax and maybe get a new recovery disk or pay Microsoft for a new operating system - either way I pay extra for something I already have the right to use. This is particularly aggrevating as I don't need or use most of the Windows ME features much less any newer Microsoft operating system. I use the Windows ME operating system for only three tasks: To run a Windows only scanner, Hmm, there are many scanner supported under the SANE project. Have you checked that out? to run the excellent Sound Forge music editing software, There are sound apps but I dont know if they are similar to SF. checkout gramaphone (sp?), ardour... and to play E-Bridge with an old partner living in Cleveland. This one might work under 'Wine'. Have you tried or checked into this? When the scanner fails, comparable alternate music edit software is available and my 84 year old partner can no longer play E-Bridge I wont need a Windows operating system at all. Can you taste the freedom! For most of my computing activities - email, wordprocessing, spreadsheets, programming in C, C++ and Python, graphics, downloading and editing pictures from my digital camera, burning CD's (I have an extensive set of LP's which I am gradually converting to CD's for my own use with the Sound Forge software) and any other odd tasks I use Debian Linux. I do this not just because its free - though, as I am 74 years old and retired on a fixed income, cost is a factor - but primarily because Debian Linux operating systems and program packages are stable and customizable to an extent unknown in the Microsoft world. The bottom line: I feel cheated by Microsoft's manipulations to enforce provisions that I never intended to violate and by Systemax's complicity in this scheme. Thomas H. George 114 Twin Creek Lane Kennett Square, PA 19348 -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailfilter bug?
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote: csj wrote: Before I file a bug report, I'd like to confirm the behavior I describe below. I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for ^Subject:.*Test and ALLOW rules for marssociety and marssocietynewsletter: $ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc DENY=^Subject:.*Test ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety I found out this morning that an email with the word Contest in the Subject was deleted by mailfilter (according to my log). The email also had [marssocietynewsletter] in the Subject and I suspect, given the format of previous communications, also marssociety in the Reply-To. The email therefore should have passed two of my ALLOW rules. Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with marssociety in the Subject) take precedence over the DENY rule (delete all emails containing with the word or word part test)? I don't know much about mailfilter, but it seems as though the rules are being applied in the order encountered. You may need to move yoru DENY rule to a position after the ALLOW rules. Just a thought. -Roberto Hi, Since swen, I started using mailfiter with differing degrees of success. I tried to look at the basic docs and there is no explicit mention of the way the rules are evaluated. top down, bottom up, allow then deny, etc. Unless someone knows of docs i've missed, i'd say peek at the source. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a new Debian system. X and Gnome, no KDE
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 17:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:45:04AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] Second, more general question: the dependency links in debian form a directed graph. Presumably, it is acyclic. That implies that the graph contains root, interior and leaf nodes. Is their some program which displays just the root nodes? It would be useful answering my first question. I'm not sure but it would be a quick job in perl, if it hasn't been done (and packaged) already. A moment with 'apt-cache search graph|sort|less' produces apt-rdepends. Thus, along with the recommended package graphviz, one can do: apt-rdepends -d evolution | dotty and get a big graph. Now, the trick will have to be to turn it into a png or jpg Hi, this is very interesting. you get to see the relationships between packages. I also tried it with '-d -r'. I also got a chance to try my hand at making a simple family tree graph. I always wondered what 'dotty' was. Neat for simple graphs. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the password of root when first run after the installation of the base system!
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:18:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote: Failing that, boot with the 'init=/bin/sh' parameter (so if you'd normally type 'linux' to LILO, say, type 'linux init=/bin/sh' instead) and run 'passwd root'. I found this out rather recently when I was reading the debian users' guide. When I lost my root password (it had a GBP-sign in it and my locales changed on an upgrade), I took the more long-winded approach of booting from a rescue disk and copying my users' hash over the top of the root one. It was a *lot* longer as I had to find a cd-rom drive and install it, too- needless to say I read the docs first now. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- Hi, From my reading for the qref, I just get the boot prompt, type 'linux s', and boot into single user mode (root user). from there I can type 'passwd' to change the root password. from there... either su joeuser or reboot. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package purging and app configuration
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Haines Brown wrote: I installed a dict front end (ding) and somehow inadvertently configured it for as background color. I can't figure out in the startup script how to correct that, and so decided simply to reinstall ding. I ran: aptitude purge ding, and then did a new installation. However, the script error remains, suggesting that purge did not remove configuration files. How should I have gone about removing an application so that its original configuration files are deleted? Haines Brown Hi Haines, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.list is a file that is part of the ding .deb package. if you look at it, it will tell you where all the files that ding installed are. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.postinst is the post-install script /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.postrm is the post-remove scirpt .../ding.preinst is the pre-install script .../ding.prerm is the pre-remove script check them and see which line is causing the problem. if needed, comment a line out, if this helps you remove or purge or reinstall. and then re/install it and see if this fixes the problem. BUT if you have to change a script, its a bug. If you found it, thousands of others will too, so file a report to speed up the bug-fix process! HTH -Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya marco On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 04:41, Marco Cecconi wrote: Hello, I've been having this question on my mind for a bit now: what is the best practice to partition a hard drive under Unix, and in particular under Linux? At work I try to separate different functionalities as much as possible (eg. /boot, /, /var, /home all on different partitions). This makes sense since the machines are servers. What is your experience regarding workstations? Is there any advantage or disadvantage in using a simpler partitioning (eg. only /boot and /)? The whole subject is less critical now, but here's how I do it: Filesystem1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda3 7874560150520 7324024 3% / /dev/hda2 46668 2871 41388 7% /boot /dev/hda5 7874528 1770332 5704180 24% /usr /dev/hda6 7874528708628 6765884 10% /var /dev/hda7 7874528668568 6805944 9% /home /dev/hda8 86573816862620 81313404 2% /data it doesnt matter if its a server or workstation ... partition scheme should be independent of its function ( yes, /var/spool/mail might be bigger on mail servers ( yes, /var/www ( aka /home/http ) is bigger on web servers but the number of partitions is the same /tmp should be its own partition because: you should ( require to ) do chmod 1777 /tmp /boot is NOT needed ... - /boot was needed in the old days to guarantee that the boot kernel was occupying the 1st 1024 cylinders / - should be as small as possible so that you can always do e2fsck on it and boot into single user - if you only have / and swap, than your entire 100GB or 200GB has to be e2fsck clean in order to get into single user mode to fix whatever the problem was swapyou want a swap partition so that if some silly apps uses up all your memory, the system can start doing disk swap and keep going ( really slow ) vs crashing/dying /home all user data goes shere and occupys the rest of the disks only /home and /etc is backed up .. rest of the partitons can be reformated and you shouldn't care since its all backed up on the net someplace or on original cdroms /usr/localmight be good to keep(symlink) at /home/local for more user installed modifications lots of various reasons for doing lots of various partitions schemes Hi, if you have lots of logs - web server, mail server - it might make sense to have a /var/log partition. Also, APT-get puts packages in /var/cache/apt/archive and maybe put that is a partition. my 2 yen. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade-dead system, help.
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, wil wrote: Hi, Sorry I have very little info on this...no logs or anything:( Running SID, with a custom 2.4.22 kernel, ext3 file system. HD was checked with the diagnostic utility from IBM, including surface (advanced) check and was fine. Did an update via dselect yesterday and after that the whole system has died. When i boot the process stops at INIT: version 2.85 booting followed by a blinking cursor. When i ran the upgrade the thing striking me as very odd was under new packages to install 'kernel-headers 2.5.x.x.' were mentioned. Not sure of the exact version anymore but it was 2.5 for sure. I think it was 2.5.99. I was kinda flabbergasted by that and saw no reason why those kernel headers should be installed...since i'm on 2.4. So i went back into the dselect selection 'mode' and set that kernel package to 'purge' so it wouldn't install. This gave me a load of ' depends on kernel-headers 2.5.x.x. ' like from gcc and so on. Struck me as utterly weird aswell cause my system never had anything 2.5.xxx kerlnel related stuff on it...anyways...thinking 'dpkg knows best' i let it have it's way and the package in question was installed. After getting the packages during install/configure something went wrong aswell but silly me didn't pay too much attention since this happens quite a lot with unstable and always gets resolved quickly...and never ended in something like i'm having now. Can't imagine the cause to be those kernel headers even if it's weird they were installed, but one of the 20 orso packages which got updated. An older 2.4.18 kernel does go thru the entire boot process but with may many errors mostly in the line of 'can't find /var/xx' After that i tried toms floppy linux to boot the system. mount /dev/hda9 results in just getting the'special device not found message'. And hda9 happens to be /var. fdisk shows hda9 as there and as ext3 but i think the complete filesystem went out da door on that partition. e2fsck gives me a 'the superbloack could not be read or does not' etc..etc..etc. Any ideas on how to get out of this one?...and why this happened? Cheers Hi, get a knoppix cdrom. boot from it. chroot to your hd partition and see if you can then download a good kernel and reinstall it. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Haines Brown wrote: each user has a session and a session key. this key is used to authenticate yourself to the Xserver. Root as a key and each user does. Yes, that makes sense. so when you login as user and then switch to root, it tried to use your root key to access the user session-- no go. ? When I login as user, and then su - root, does not root then use its own session key? Are you saying that when I su - root, root tries to use user's session key? no. root uses its key but since you logged in as user, it tries roots keys in yser 'lock'(session). one solution is: user% xhost + user% su root! xcalc but this is an insecure hack since in says anyone can snoop on your xserver. but if you are not on the net or have a firewall it may be used, the better solution is to 'merge' your X authenticaion key database but I forgot the command. Thanks, Kev. My understanding of Linux is that normally you want to log in as user because being root carries with it certain risks. But regularly, we, running as user, find that we need to do something that requires root's privileges, and so we su - root. That's what I read in Running Linux and elsewhere. It's what I've been doing for years. So I assumed that by moving from RedHats to debian, things would continue as before. But they have not. So, the important question that still remains unansered: was my installation of debian flawed, or does debian simply work differently than what I assume? Haines This is correct. root will be able to delete any file, etc. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acronyms (was Re: reiserfs)
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Johann Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 18:32 Subject: Re: Acronyms (was Re: reiserfs) I will keep your email for the time when and if I am able to get woody to function. I would like to have dict-jargon but at the moment its not possible to even run X. Thanks Regards; Hoyt Hi Hoyt, seems some newbies are unfamilar with running command line tools to access the internet :-) On Linux, there are many tools including web browsers that to not need X to run. try links. Also you dont need X to install the dict-jargon package or to read it. HTH -K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] deleting pictures from digital camera via computer?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: Hi all, I am using a Nikon CoolPix 3100 digital camera. It is pretty easy to set up in Debian unstable. It doesn't seem to be supported by gphoto2 or gtkam, but one can mount it as a USB mass storage device after installing hotplug, following the directions at this page: http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/usbcamera.php Here is my question. Once the camera is mounted (in my case, I put it at /mnt/camera), I can see the pictures here: /mnt/camera/dcim/100nikon/*.jpg If I want to delete them, can I just do rm -f /mnt/camera/dcim/100nikon/*.jpg or would this cause an internal database of the camera to get out of sync with the pictures actually present? For obvious reasons I don't want to try this experiment myself so I'm hoping someone knows the answer. If it's safe to do this, it would be more convenient than going through the camera's menu screens to delete the pictures after they're safely on my hard disk. Please CC me since I'm not subscribed to the list. thanks and regards, Hi Kevin, I dont know about your camera, but on my fujifilm 6800z, it works. my camera does not store any other files on the memory card and I assume that there is no hidden info stored on the camera that is sync'd to the memory card. So, I'd say go ahead. I ususlly just mv /mnt/camera/dcim/*.jpg /home/kevin/picures/spool/001/ and then I'm ready for more pictures! HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 15:52 GMT, Kent West penned:
I echo Colin's thought. Forget about su and use sudo. It takes an
extra 5 keystrokes per command, but it just works, and in my opinion
is better than forgetting you're root and doing something you don't
want to do.
apt-get install sudo visudo, add yourself a line similar to what's
already there sudo command_to_be_run_as_root
People keep talking about sudo like it's the cat's meow, and maybe for a
single-user system it is. But sudo documentation very explicitly warns
that, if you're not careful about what you allow, you could accidentally
allow access to far more than you expected.
Hi Monique,
like you said, you need to read the docs for muli-user systems. Sudo can
be setup to allow not just specific commands but a specific command with
specific parameters. ('ls' vs 'ls -l')
-Kev
Anyway, go ahead and use sudo, but be aware of the possible security
issues.
(Of course, it's by definition safer than just giving someone the root
password. I'm just saying, don't think it solves 100% of security
issues.)
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Re: How to set up multilingual OO including arabic?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Johannes Graumann wrote: Hello, I asked this before on the openoffice mailing list and those people told me to go asking in a debian specific forum, which let me to repost to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, but that seems to be mainly a developers list ... so here it is again: I am running Sid and have installed OO 1.1.0-1, including several language support packages for my polyglot wife. Now I am at a loss of how to make ooffice work such that she can choose between Arabic, Spanish, Turkish, French, German or English at startup. For arabic I did: - dpkg-reconfigure locales -- generating ar_LB.ISO-8859-6 and ar_LB.UTF-8 - apt-get install xfonts-intl-arabic - LANG=ar_LB openoffice (same problem with LANG=ar_LB.ISO-8859-6 or LANG=ar_LB.UTF-8) But this leads to: I18N: X Window System doesn't support locale ar_LB What am I missing? She is threatening to revert to evil empire software! Help! Joh Hi Johannes, have you tried these sites: http://www.linuxiran.org http://www.arabeyes.org On a side note: MS choose to support hebrew (a R TO L language like arabic) in windows but stop supporting it in the mac version. As a result, projects like OO can make great headway in both the arabic and hebrew communities because of MS's hubris. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Professional Institute Exam (with DPKG) !!!
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Andy Firman wrote: Hi, Today I went to sign up for the Level 1 exams and was surprised to see that there is now a choice between RPM and DPKG. I did a quick search for news on this and found this post by the Debian project leader: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200310/msg00013.html I thought the debian-user subscribers might be interested. Also, has anyone taken the exams with DPKG? Any comments? Hi Andy, last year I took a 'free' lpi 101 test and as I was told, it was a distro neutral test and thus had questions on rpm and dpkg. I'm not sure why they would change? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phonetic symbols
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, L.F. wrote: First of all thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for his comments. I have OpenOffice 1.1.0; it is probably the latest version.I am not sure whether I understand what you mena by They use the space bar and not the tab. In Windows I had everything in just one file; I converted it to Linux; then I copied big chunks of it and pasted it in the 8 files; suppose that because is in the middle of a line and the next word there ... is not in the same line but at the beginning of the following line; if I try to put there ... behind because to eliminate the blank space, I put the cursor after because and I press Supr, then I save, close and open; the text has disappeared. I was told by my friend that converting files from Linux to Windows would be much worse; 99 % of windows users will say that because they just dont know (or they fear the penguino ;-)) I am ready to believe it because big fish don't have to worry about small fish but small fish have to worry about big fish. I bet that OpenOffice is wonderful as far as conversion is concerned but there is something lacking. Not sure, but this seems a strange issue. it may be a bug but not really sure. Well, the text is very long indeed: 960 pages in size 8, probably over 1500 pages in size 12; we are a group of more than twenty Englisg-speaking teachers working in Spain and assisting a Spanish professor of English who has dedicated over 30 years to writing what is considered at the moment the best book in Spanish to learn English; Great effort and this is definatly a project worthy of use docbook (or tex or latex -- they are similar) that book was published only a few weeks ago with the title Guía para los amantes del inglés; it has 960 pages in size 14.8 x 21 with letters in size 8, which is small but not as small s some dictionaries of English, for example; it costs 15 euros, which is very little in Spain; it offers 30 000 euros to any person who presents another book in Spanish or any other language in the world that is better and cheaper; the only language that is excluded is English because it has to be in two languages: English and Spanish or whatever. On top of that people who buy or have access to the book can ask as many questions as they wish for 3 years without paying any money. If you are interested, go to www.guiadelingles.com Docbook has the ability to use 'conditional' elements. this means that you can edit a section with an 'english' version and a 'dutch' version in the same document and then when you want to print it out, you specify which version to print. It keeps everything in one document and not several version. Have you every heard of O'riley? they are a huge company that make linux books. They and others created Docbook to allow people to write books on linux (and other systems) in an easy and efficent way. This is a 'must' to check out. You may even want to email the o'riley people for help on getting your book 'coverted' into docbook format. We are not businessmen; we are altruists and passionate about English and Spanish; therefore I would interested in reading about what other people may comment or do concerning your wonderful suggestion. Linux (and the free/open software) community is full of people who are passionate about linux and other worthwhile causes. Ask us and you shall recieve. Secondly thanks to Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] for his comments. Can it help me? I use Debian knoppix. Thirdly thanks to Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] for his comments. Actually this version of Openoffice calls TeX the tippa fonts I downloaded; I had said that they were called LatEx but I suppose that they are all the same. Finally I must say that another positive thing about Linux is that I am learning much more about computers than I ever learned with Windows. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. m Hi Matthew, Have you heard of the programs 'open office' and 'abiword'. they both can read and write DOC files. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchyahoo and maildir
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Micha Feigin wrote: Is there a way to use the fetchyahoo program with maildirs? It seems that using the pipe option to exim or sendmail may work but I wasn't sure. -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Micha, what about procmail? if you setup fetchmail and procmail, you can tell procmail to send the messages to mbox or mdir files. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 22:33 GMT, Tom penned: When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of data and making a chart. But nobody uses Microsoft tools like Microsoft itself: you should have *seen* some of the fancy spreadsheets the GM-level staff put together. I'm being forced to use Excel and Powerpoint at work. I hate it. It's not just MS-specific, in this case: I hate data entry, and I hate prettifying it. Knoppix is your friend! Pop in the cd and edit any excel files! Although I think your out of luck with power-less-point. There are tools to make presentations and ones to create html or ps presentions, if those would be allowed. -Kev Hah, vim just indented that line because I had a case statement in it. Too funny! Anyhoo ... Where was I? Oh, yes. Using froo-froo presentation tools. It sucks. Developers shouldn't have to do this crap =/ And definitely shouldn't be judged by whether they're using the right colors, fonts, etc. I have this belief that 90% of jobs are unnecessary; they are just something for people to do all day because otherwise they'd go out and burn cars. Most of the things I have to do with Excel and Word fall in that category. For small datasets, I finally realized plaintext files and simple tools like gnuplot are more flexible than Excel. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 MX440 with kernel 2.4.18-bf24
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:41:33AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: Rob Weir wrote: 3) get the non-free binary-only nvidia drivers. The nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src packages make this rather easy. This is only an option on x86, however. Rob, I follow you on points 1 and 2, but not 3. The nVidia has completely changed its driver policy, and now everything (driver, installation utility) comes in one self-expanding .run file. And this driver supports a range of their cards, including all the GeForces. So it's very simple now. What you do is to use a (downloaded or automatically compiled) interface to mediate the relation of your driver and kernel. Further, it is apparently free. Or at least I downloaded and installed the driver on woody and have not paid yet ;-). The driver's name is nvidia. That's not what Rob means by non-free. Debian people believe that the freedom to take the source code to a piece of software, improve it, and pass on the results is very important. See http://www.debian.org/intro/free for more details. When people say non-free on this list, they almost always mean that it doesn't meet the Debian standards for free software, so perhaps it doesn't come with source code, or you aren't allowed to modify it, or you're only allowed to put it to non-commercial use, or something similar. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Haines, Rob and Colin, It took me a while to 'get' RMS's point about 'free' vs ESR's 'open source' and the difference between 'free as in beer' vs 'free as in freedom'. And for a while I thought better of ESR's open source vs RMS's Free software. This is because I got into 'linux' and liked the 'free as in beer' nature as I think most folks seem to in the beginning. But it took a while to fully appreciate the 'free as in freedom' aspect and the difference between 'linux' and 'Gnu/Linux'. Unfortunatly, the 'free as in freedom' aspect is not as easy to get across to people as the 'free as in beer' or the 'open source' idea especially in a society that seem to allow many freedoms. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 MX440 with kernel 2.4.18-bf24
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:41:33AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: Rob Weir wrote: 3) get the non-free binary-only nvidia drivers. The nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src packages make this rather easy. This is only an option on x86, however. Rob, I follow you on points 1 and 2, but not 3. The nVidia has completely changed its driver policy, and now everything (driver, installation utility) comes in one self-expanding .run file. And this driver supports a range of their cards, including all the GeForces. So it's very simple now. What you do is to use a (downloaded or automatically compiled) interface to mediate the relation of your driver and kernel. Further, it is apparently free. Or at least I downloaded and installed the driver on woody and have not paid yet ;-). The driver's name is nvidia. That's not what Rob means by non-free. Debian people believe that the freedom to take the source code to a piece of software, improve it, and pass on the results is very important. See http://www.debian.org/intro/free for more details. When people say non-free on this list, they almost always mean that it doesn't meet the Debian standards for free software, so perhaps it doesn't come with source code, or you aren't allowed to modify it, or you're only allowed to put it to non-commercial use, or something similar. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. m Hi Matthew, Have you heard of the programs 'open office' and 'abiword'. they both can read and write DOC files. Also, despite earlier claims, OpenOffice has a presentation package and a pretty good filter for PowePoint (I have imported a 100-slide presentation with no major problems). And the 1.1 version is a real advance over the various 1.0.x flavours. Hi Deryk, Thanks for the update! Its great to know that the OO people are really on the ball! And now I can recommend Knoppix w OO even more emphatically. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phonetic symbols
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, L.F. wrote: I can't convert the Windows file into pdf in Windows because I don't have the Acrobat Reader program; ---right. In Linux the pdf is free but in Windows it costs 600 euros. expected. Email the file to me, if you like -- I'll convert it for you on myMac.Cam-- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych.From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coastcam(at)ellisonet(dot)cacamellison(at)dccnet(dot)comcam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com Thanks a lot to Cam Ellison! ---cool. Actually I found a pdf I had from Windows and it works wonderfully In Debian great. but the problem is that I keep adding information to that old file, so that pdf is not up to date any more and I need to sort it out in Debian. ---there are no progrmas that I know of in Win, Linux, mac that edit pdfs. Pdfs are supposed to be an OUTPUT format. Now I have another problem with OpenOffice: this file has over 1000 pages; as it was so big OpenOffice took ages to add a single word, so I decided to make 8 small files with just over 100 pages each. ---Good move. Also, why not make the big document into 'chapters' documents. In Windows 1995, 1998, 2000 it worked very well that way and less well with over 1000 pages ---expected. but with OpenOffice it takes a long time to add one word in just one of the 8 small files and there is also a terrible problem: --ok. I guess you could get OpenOffice (OO) 1.1 (the latest) to see if that helps. when I converted the file from Windows to Debian there was sometimes a blank space between a word and the following one; --a problem may people have is that they type the document in wrong the first time. They use the space bar and not the tab. This makes spacing inconsistent. This can cause the problem you described, in the original file there was no such a blank space; for example, suppose that because is in the middle of a line and the next word there ... is not in the same line but at the beginning of the following line; if I try to put there ... behind because to eliminate the blank space, it takes a few minutes and does it; apparently everything is fine; ---not sure. maybe you have to 'refresh' the view. try 'save' 'close' 'open'. and see if the text reappears. I save the file and when I open it again, all the words that were after there until the end of the paragraph, maybe 30 lines, have disappeared. So I have to find another older file to copy those 30 lines and paste it again; otherwise I can't recover those 30 lines any more. That has happened to me at leat 5 times, so I am terrified about the whole thing. See above comment. Sounds strange. I tried with KWord but it is even worse, it doesn't convert some pages throughout the file; it is just horrible. --kword does not open .doc(?) and does not have as good formating/features as OO. Maybe try abiword. I certainly think that Linux is wonderful as far as the Internet is concerned because there are no viruses and it doesn't reboot every once in a while like Windows when there is a small error but as far as word processing is concerned I am disappointed; ---Well OO is trying to copy Word with no help from MS. I think they did a damn good job considering how word keeps changing. maybe it has to do with the fact that the 8 files were not written in Linux originally but I am thinking about the possibility of installing Windows as well in another disk just for the Word processor because at the moment I have the problem of the fonts and on top of it the problem of disappearance of many words without any reason at all. ---Consider if you did the document in OO first and then wanted it in PDF. No prob. And then someone wanted it in DOC. There probably would have been the same types of probs. But there is a version of OO in Windows. I have to solve both problems; my friend is helping me with the first one thanks to all the help that some of you have given me but can somebody help me to solve the second one before I decide to install Word from Windows as well? READ THIS AT LEAST -- What type of document is this. It sounds like a long document like a Thesis. Linux has very powerful and somewhat easy tools for the creation of long documents and books. Those maybe a great thing to consider for this project. And would be a great continuation to your free software education. I'm sure someone here could comment on the use of tex, docbook or other formats for creating long documents especcialy in the case that the document contains special linguistic symbols. Any investment in this would pay a great rewards! -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failing to upgrade sysvinit from Knoppix version
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, David Z Maze wrote: Simon Tod [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knowing what exactly the version is might be helpful. If the Knoppix people have added an epoch to their version number, APT would be entirely correct in concluding that 1:2.84-mumble is newer than 2.85-7. You might also check that your APT sources.list is correct, and that you haven't set up funny APT pinning rules. There's nothing wrong with my sources.list, it points to sid only. I'm not using any apt pinning rules. The problem is, as you guessed, the epoch number. Version 2:2.84-161. So, any ideas? How do I downgrade to the more up to date version in sid? I'm not sure that I can think of a better way than downloading the packages by hand and installing them directly using dpkg. :-/ apt-get install sysvinit/stable is one command to consider but see what things it may 'take with it'. If you downgrade, they you MAY have to solve some other problems. -Kev Can you readily identify the packages that are different versions than what's in unstable? You can directly download the packages from your favorite Debian mirror; this is easier if there are a small number of them, of course. You also might be able to set up your APT preferences file; apt_preferences(5) says that priorities over 1000 will causes packages to be downgraded. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acronyms (was Re: reiserfs)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Johann Koenig wrote: On Tuesday October 28 at 04:54pm Nick Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, * Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031028 14:48]: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 00:51, Hoyt Bailey wrote: big snip Speaking for myself only. I have to make do with whatever is provided. I am trying to learn to speak debian but it is tough when words have meanings that arnt in the dic. see there is one I know its dictionary but to save time or whatever we all slip up now and again. BTW I assume it means by the way, but I have seen it used where that didnt make any sense and when that is carried over into a technical subject katy bar the door and keep the kooks in. Hoyt (Sorry I'm flustered) If I understood this correctly the short stuff came from chat rooms and not debian specific. The ones I remember now, assuming I didn't get them wrong myself ;-) IIRC - if I recall correctly AFAIK - as far as I know BTW - by the way There's no need to guess sudo apt-get install dictd dict dict-jargon dict-vera Even better, install 'bsdgames' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ auto-apt check /usr/games/wtf games/bsdgames [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wtf Usage: wtf [is] acronym [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wtf iirc IIRC: if I recall correctly [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wtf smlsfb SMLSFB: so many losers, so few bullets [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ snip cool. K.S. mentioned the miscfiles package. (apt-get install miscfiles) check these: /usr/share/misc/abbrevs.talk.gz /usr/share/misc/abbrevs.gen.gz /usr/share/miscfiles/abbrevs.gen.gz /usr/share/miscfiles/abbrevs.talk.gz -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting HP to support Debian
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:25:26PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..you say HP support's Debian Linux. Both may well be true, the sheer size of HP suggest one of these support schemes may be un-autorized by HP's corporate board. They might wanna know, and, trust needs a minimum of spine, and we all know long term business needs trust. They employ many people to develop Debian GNU/Linux and have donated quite a bit of our core infrastructure. Their Linux Chief Technology Officer is a former Debian Project Leader and a prolific Debian developer. Are you referring to the Ex(I-Think-its-sleeping) HP parrot Bruce Perens?! -K I believe that HP employ more Debian developers than any other company in the world. If you think all that's unauthorized by their board, you're delusional, pure and simple. ..my conspiracy is simple: I say boycott HP until they ditch SCO. I feel our (Debian's) spine more worth than whatever money they are peeing down our back's. Please moderate your rants until you're better informed. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote: Hi. How can i do this without losing the data on my NTFS partition? This is the final step for moving completely from windows to linux! yay! Thanks -- Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the easiest way is to use a cdr. backup all you documents to cdrs. This can be read by all oses. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install from usb (was: Re: Straight to SID...)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, John Smith wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 19:38, Greg Madden wrote: snip Hi All, first time I hear from mini-install iso's. Great idea! Don't know who is responsible for this (searched for netinst in the packages but couldn't find anything) but would it be possible to write such an iso to a usb memory stick and install from there? Of course this depends on the machine being able to boot from usb and I am actually looking for such a beast (anyone?) but this would save a lot of money on cd- and floppy drives. While I'm at it, if I can get rid of parallel port and ps2 interfaces too (want to keep serial though) I wouldn't mind at all ;-) Sincerely, Jan. Hi Jan, There was a mini iso install called mini-woody which was renamed bonzai linux on the berlios site that I used a while ago. It is woody 'bootfloppies' +2.4.21 kernel + kde 3.1(?) that fits on a 200mb (mini)cd. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Haines Brown wrote: Please don't CC me. (If somehow my sig isn't clear enough, please let me know how I can make it so.) My apologies. The current auto CC: is something I did not have before, and so I'm not used to removing that line. I was aware I had forgotten to do that as soon as I had sent the message to you. Oh wait a minute. I just looked at my .bashrc, etc and think I've noticed the problem. Try simply doing this: DISPLAY=:0.0 export DISPLAY Seems to have brought some progress. Now, when I su - root and run: echo $DISPLAY :0.0 But apparently, all that does is to say that I've successfully assigned the value :0.0 to DISPLAY, but it does not seem to have been exported. That is I run an application that calls for display :0.0 and it still fails: Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to server Haines each user has a session and a session key. this key is used to authenticate yourself to the Xserver. Root as a key and each user does. so when you login as user and then switch to root, it tried to use your root key to access the user session-- no go. one solution is: user% xhost + user% su root! xcalc but this is an insecure hack since in says anyone can snoop on your xserver. but if you are not on the net or have a firewall it may be used, the better solution is to 'merge' your X authenticaion key database but I forgot the command. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spamassassin+evolution
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Simon Green wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned something a few days ago. You need to redirect your mail flow. normally you mail does this: pop3 server - evo if you want to use spamasssin you need to make evo read mail from your local mail box. pop3 - fetchmail - /var/spool/user - sendmail - procmail - /home/user/mbox Not sure where to insert spam assin as I dont use it. But the idea is that evo would read from /home/user/mbox not directly from pop3 server. A better way for Evolution users is to set up a filter, as discribed in this URL: http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=io8Wc_Wgp_lva=p_faqid=329p_created=1039628948p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtJnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9zb3J0X2J5PWRmbHQmcF9wYWdlPTE*p_li= Works well for me. Hi Simon, I tried something like this, but once Evo supported local mboxes, I figured why not just do filtering the linux way and leave the reading to evo. In both cases you need to install some exteral program to check the mail anyway, why bother evo with more work. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ken Caldwell wrote: quote who=Wilko Fokken On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell wrote: I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash. Ken Do you really need wordprocessing combined with a spreadsheet within one single program? If not, you may try 'slsc' as a not so bad spreadsheet in text mode; this may lead you to a better wordprocessor not overeating your system ressources - if not even to working with 'latex'. Thanks Wilko I wil have a look at slsc. Thanks also to Ron for confirming the bug I guess I ought to file a bug report. I found a workable selection of packages from sid which took up only 360MB of disk space leaving 96MB for swap and 64MB for logging and the user's own files. The selection included mozilla-firebird, sylpheed, abiword, gnumeric, sodipodi and xpaint. Icewm provides a lightweight window manager. The output of dpkg --get-selections is attached. I tried to create a similar installation on another computer but the installation took up 425MB. I don't have the original box here to find out where the difference is. cheers, Ken Hi Ken and Wilko, have you looked at 'morphix lite gui' or the mini knoppix distro? only 200 mb and has the same basic feature. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting debian to use Win2k as it's Internet gateway?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a win2k box set to do ICS and dial on demand (not the question) - 192.168.0.1 I have my Debian laptop attached to this eth0 192.618.0.10. They share files via samba. But, I'd like to be able to set Debian so that it uses 192.168.0.1 as it's internet gateway. I've fiddled with route but to no avail. Is there a simple way of doing this? How? Thanks for your help, Kevin PS. please cc replies to me, as I'm having problems subscribing back to the list! snip what is the output of /sbin/route and /etc/network/interfaces ? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: classic deficiancy in both windows and linux ?
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:08:00PM -0400, James D. Freels wrote: Can you figure out a way to get a listing of a directory (folder in Windows) and print it, without resorting to command prompt ? Why would you want to do this, when the command prompt is exactly what you're looking for in this case? snip Hi fellow .deb-istas, I had something buzzing in the back of my bonnet that finally found the light of day, a bit of postscript manipulation: ls -l | enscript -o /dev/stdout /dev/stdin |lpr You enscript has many options as does ls enjoy, Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re:palm on debian
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Marc Shapiro wrote: Christophe Courtois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Zire 71 was not detected by a 2.4.18 kernel (the latest is OK), so I had to had this in /etc/modules (try to change the value): usbserial vendor=0x830 product=0x60 Thanks, all that I had to do was change the vendor and product number to match the message in /var/log/messages and use insmod. I have added the line to /etc/modules now, so I should be OK after a reboot, as well. -- snip Hi Marc, I use coldsync (console sync) But one of the best things for the palm is plucker! I found a conduit for coldsync for my mbox. so, I can sync my mbox and read websites offline! the neat thing is the plucker can include graphics (in my case simple 1-bit grayscale). -Km ps. also checkout cstoprun! it reads pdb doc format (not a ms format) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Simon Tod wrote: After a hdd install from knoppix 3.2 I tried to dist-upgrade to Debian unstable. It all seems to work fine but my debian_version is still reported as testing/unstable. you are correct. knoppix is a combination of some testing and some unstable packages. I've tracked this down to the fact that a number of packages from the hdd install are not at the latest versions available in unstable but are unoffical versions with different dependencies. Not sure what you mean. 99 % of the packages are from debian sources. only a few are knoppix-specific. but if you upgrade, most of the knoppix debs are upgraded or removed IIRC. The most significant being sysvinit. something important like this would not get updated very often (1 -2 per year) as it has been tested very thoroughly and does not have 'new' features. If I try 'apt-get install sysvinit', I'm told I have the latest version installed. Not true. apt-get can be setup to install stable, testing or unstable packages. But it can be told to exclude packages. But if 'apt-get' says its the latest version, it is only telling you based on ITS settings. The knoppix version is 2.84 something or other, whereas 2.85 is available in unstable. If I try 'apt-get --reinstall install sysvinit', I'm told the packages is not available for download. Would do no good is its already installed correctly and you dont need to fix a broken install. This is a common problem when trying to replace a package from an unofficial source with an official one. My usual trick is just to remove the offending package, then reinstall from an official source. not sure if that is the best way. HOWEVER, sysvinit is a rather crucial package (I think!?) and I'm a little concerned that removing it - even if only to replace it with a different version shortly afterwards - may be dangerous. yes is it dangerous as it is a very basic package. Any suggestions as to whether or not this may be a safe thing to do or what alternative approach I could take would be much appreciated... Thanks! try this: apt-get install -s sysvinit/unstable apt-get install -s sysvinit/testing apt-get install -s sysvinit/stable note the -s means to show what it would do, but dont to it for me: unstable and testing = 2.85-7 stable = 2.84-2woody1 BUT it depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Initializing X clients
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Haines Brown wrote: Get rid of everything: what a good idea! I got rid of everything, and in the .xsession put exec icewm. That didn't work. So I replaced the command with exec xterm. That did work--sort of. When I start x with the xterm execution, what I get is a black rectangle in upper left 2/3 of screen with a bash prompt. That sounds good, but everything else is bad: 1. The rest of the screen is trash background (a rough blend of colors rather than (default?) blue. Shouldn't the terminal have been left the remaining background intact? 2. The terminal has none of the features I'd normally expect a terminal window to have, such as a window frame. That may be because I've no window manager running yet. 3. The insertion point of the prompt is not a solid rectangle, but an empty rectangle. Any keyboard input cause the prompt to disappear, although the black rectangle remains. Interesting. I've no idea what it all means. Haines sounds like X is running but no window manager or desktop manager. -K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spamassassin+evolution
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Riccardo Gusso wrote: Hello everybody, I have seen recently one suggestion on how to integrate Mozilla Mail with spamassassin; I was wondering if there is a way to do the same with evolution. Thanks in advance for any suggestion. Riccardo -- snip Hi Riccardo, I mentioned something a few days ago. You need to redirect your mail flow. normally you mail does this: pop3 server - evo if you want to use spamasssin you need to make evo read mail from your local mail box. pop3 - fetchmail - /var/spool/user - sendmail - procmail - /home/user/mbox Not sure where to insert spam assin as I dont use it. But the idea is that evo would read from /home/user/mbox not directly from pop3 server. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PDFs on the fly with PHP
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 21:26 GMT, Emma Jane Hogbin penned: Hi everyone, I'm working on a PHP web site that needs to generate PDFs on the fly. I don't want to use PDFlib as the code is totally open source and I don't want people to have to deal with the licensing on PDFLib. Not to pick nits, but is the problem that it's opensource, or rather that it's GPL (or some other license with restrictions)? The BSD license is, I believe, an opensource license without restriction. snip there is also the LGPL which is informailly called the library GPL. It allows you to use a library in a closed source app. This is in contrast to a GPL library that would only be allowed in a GPL'd app. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gpilotd crashes all the time
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Paul William wrote: Hi, gpilotd keeps crashing and the gnome your program has crashed dialog keeps popping up. I can use my Tungsten E with pilot-link so the palm is playing nicely with Linux. What should I do? Hi Paul, use coldsync. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out (was Re: Getting d-link DFE-530TX NIC working)
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, ScruLoose wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 10:06:18PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Hi all, Still pluggin' away at this problem with my D-Link DFE-530TX NIC. snip NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: Transmit timed out, status , PHY status 786d, resetting... eth0: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder. eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. And naturally it reports 100% packet loss. See attached text file for more details. So I did some googling on that error message, and found this thread: http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/3/31/178 which suggests booting with the noapic option... Tried it -- no change. (I did that right by typing linux noapic at lilo's prompt, right?) There's also some mention in that thread about a patch? ... At this point I'm becoming less inclined to suspect my config, and more inclined to think something's actually wrong. But I _know_ the hardware works. I can boot the Knoppix CD and have a successful 100baseT network connection. (I keep doing that in order to drag kernel sources over to the blasted machine)... Help? -- I get the same thing when my system goes into 'standby mode' or apm sleep?. I hit any key and it usually restarts. I've yet to find out how to disable this. I'm using 2.4.20 custom. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian MSN clients can't connect
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Pigeon wrote: Having installed Debian on a mate's PC, his kids are complaining because they can't get onto MSN Messenger... The kids have given me a username eg. '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and a password to go with it (an English word). I've tried these in gaim, kmerlin and everybuddy; none of them can connect and it doesn't look like it's because they've given me an invalid username/password. gaim (v0.58) is the least informative; when I try to connect, it responds very quickly with a dialog saying [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been signed off: Disconnected. snip Anybody got any ideas what's going on here / what to check? Also, anyone know how you obtain the username and password which these clients require to connect? I'm not 100% sure about the one the kids have given me; it does seem to be valid for logging in to hotmail but does that automatically make it valid for an MSN Messenger client? (I'm somewhat hampered by the fact that I hardly know what MSN Messenger *is* apart from being something I find totally uninteresting! :-) so have never bothered to try and get a Linux client going for it myself... no experience whatsoever!) -- Pigeon Coo,Coo Pigeon, aim,msn mess., yahoo, are all 'chat' programs. kinda like irc which has fallen out of favor with a certain demographic. Many linux clients can support talking accross chat client protocols like gaim and everybuddy. I recall MSN saying 'due to security' they were considering only allowing 'real' MSN clients use MSN. Dont know it this is it, as I dont use it. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, David Palmer. wrote: snip -- David Jardine snip The way I see it is that with all the separate componentry available with Debian, you can configure for any eventuality according to the individual need, whether that be for high volumn or otherwise. Standard configs do not answer to that. That's why I'm here, it's a steep learning curve at times, but that has its' profit factors also. If it's any consolation, you're further along the road than I am. I'm still figuring out the intricacies of sylpheed and evolution, but I'm looking forward to the rest. Regards, David. snip I used to use evo until I went back to pine. But The last thing I did was change my evo setup to allow for better filtering. Instead of using the pop3 mail option, I told evo to get mail from my mail spool. So, I had: pop3-mailfilter-fetchmail-procmail-local mail spool-evo instead of pop3-evo This allowed me do to better spam/virus filtering than using evo's filter options. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Framebuffer problems
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, stan wrote: I'm putting an older machine back in service. I'm having a problem with the framebuffer. I see teh penguin on startup, so frambuffer is starting, but when I try to use, say fbi (and other framebuffer apps), I get: can handle only packed pixel frame buffers snip I recall I had my old kernel and old fbi and when I recompiled my kernel and upgrade fbi I got the same message. Would it be a kernel option that affected this? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phonetic symbols
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, L.F. wrote: I have changed from Windows 2000 to Linux because of the viruses. Good move. Iam very happy now because Linux is much safer and much more stable.However, I have a problem: I have a file with words in English with the phonetic transcription Is the file in MS word, ascii, rtf? Or a special app? but Openoffice or KWord of Debian-Linux doesn't convert some of the symbols:the schwa, the symbol for sh in ship, the symbol for ch in chair, the symbol for j in John, the symbol for s in television, the symbol for s in treasure, the symbol for th in three, the symbol for u in cut. OK. so the font must not be available. It can be read by OO or kword WITH the exeption of the special symbols? I have downloaded the tippa fonts and all the others from Debian and they are available in my computer. Could somebody help me to solve this problem? Thanks in advance. snip Sounds like you need to convert from one font to another. so /schwa/ - chr(some-number), a-a,A-, etc. sounds like a task for sed or perl or maybe tr? -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Haines Brown wrote: In moving from RedHat to debian, I'm left with some simple little basic configuration questions. They all relate to a situation in which I operate at this point from console. 1. Where do I set the global bash prompt format? I changed PS1= in /etc/profile, but that only affects user, not root. 2. I had placed the command setterm -blank 0 in RedHat's /etc/rc.d/rc.local to block screen blanking while running in console. Debian does not use that file. What is its equivalent? 3. My usual practice is to avoid xdm and boot to a text login prompt. To do this, in rc2.d I belive I edited the symlink to the xdm program, renaming S99xdm -... to K99xdm - But in debian I get a beep when I try. Am I imagining I once edited the name of a symlink? Can't one do it in debian? snip Hi H, one of the 'freedoms' of debian is that runlevel 2 to 5 are the same. 2 is the default runlevel. RH and others have seperate runlevels. Its something that confused me and there are some people out there like me who like the RH runlevel scheme but havent changed prevailing minds. Oh well! -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the root-n in my root??
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Marco Bagni wrote: Dear all, before submitting this request of help I have been looking around quite a while in my system and in the user groups without success. My problem is the following, I run a Debian system aligned with the latest testing distribution and kernel 2.4.22. Since few months I noticed a file -rwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Aug 24 01:19 root-n that continued to be re-created in my root directory at startup Since I don't think to have some kind of intruders in my system (what intruder is so silly to leave such a blatant trace behind?) I think that there must be some installed package that: 1) needs to be configured - I checked the /etc directory without success. 2) has something going wrong - but everything seems to work fine. Can anybody help?? Thank you in advance. Marco snip Hi Marco, Here is my suggestion. Its time to be Sherlock Homes. Put on your hat and get your pipe! Examine you /var/log/messages and note the times. Now look at the time-date stamp of the file. See what was happening in /var/log/messages when the file was created. Was the file created after at the same time? What /etc/init.d/ script was being executed before and/or after the time of the files creation. Tell us what you find. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: remote backup from Windows PCs
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Hi, I have a server running Debian with a tape drive and I want to back up some Windows PCs to it (via LAN). I could use smbmount and regular Linux backup tools (tar or whatever), but the Windows PCs aren't always on. So I'd prefer that backups are initiated on the remote PCs, and that even the file set to backup was controlled on the remote PCs. All the Linux server is doing then is streaming the data to tape. Can anyone recommend some software to achieve this? Hi Hamish, I thought of one thing immediately, there is some package that reads email messgages to it (the server) and using some authentication scheme then processes the email message as a 'sys admin command'. Thus you have the remote pcs' email 'back me up' and the email goes to the debian server and it says ok. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell Latitude
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot get my modem to work properly, can you help? LaBelle Hi 'Belle, what have you tried? What is the model of your system? what is the result of lspci? what is shown in dmesg? in /var/log/messages? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to recover system,
On 24 Oct 2003, Matthias Hentges wrote: Am Fre, 2003-10-24 um 16.24 schrieb Vivek Kumar: Hi there, snip D/L a Debian netinst CD (50-100MB) and boot up the new system with it. The default kernel on the CD should be compiled for 386 so it'll boot up *any* CPU. Mount the old drives manually, chroot to the old root (/) partition and recompile the kernel with a correct CPU setting and support for you mainboard chipset. Edit lilo.conf to use the new kernel and run /sbin/lilo. The new system should now boot with the old drives and a new kernel. snip Hi, I was thinking of the same thing except with knoppix! (its better than sliced bread) Put a knoppix in the cd drive, boot up (in 'knoppix 2' for non gui or 'knoppix' for regular gui) and chroot, and follow the rest of what Mattias said. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:39:11AM -0700, John Yurcik wrote: Is there something I can do to block this stuff with an on-line mail account? Demand they reject viruses at SMTP time or take your business elsewhere. I asked Earthlink to check for virii [oh the flames] and they said it would be an invasion of my privacy but spam they can check. I'm looking at your latter option! -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:26:06PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked Earthlink to check for virii [oh the flames] and they said it would be an invasion of my privacy but spam they can check. I'm looking at your latter option! That's really odd, because you can check for viruses with a checksum, but you have to actually look at the verbage for spam... Hi Paul, Duh! I told them that. I also told them I could check for mail virii with a 10 cent procmail filter as opposed to their ISP infrastructre. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please read this
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, trevor brooks wrote: Hi my name is Trevor Brooks. I go to Gardner middle school in Lansing Michigan. We have to do a project with donating a dollar to an organization. we have to know where the dollar goes and how it helps. We have to pretend that we are the dollar and tell where we are going. I was hoping you could give me some info. It would be very much appreciated. THANK YOU! Trevor Brooks snip Hi Trevor, Debian is a project to produce the Debian Gnu/Linux operating system and other the Free software it uses. The 'Gnu' in Gnu/Linux are the tools created by the Gnu Project started by Richard Stallman. The 'Linux' in Gnu/Linux refers to the operating system 'kernel' created by Linux Torvalds. All (if not most) of these projects are Free Software. They are project to promote Freedom: Freedom to use the software, Freedom to change the software, Freedom to Study the software, Freedom to redistribute the software, and other Freedoms. Contributing to the Debian Project does many things. Debian is part of a larger community of people who volunteer their time, creativity, knowlege and money to empower people around the world who speak differently languages, are blind or are poor to be able to make computer do what they want. Most of there efforts result in software like web browsers or word processors. The difference is that these project use the GPL. The GPL is a legal license that says that if you want to make the software better, you can. But you must tell others how you made it better, so that others can benefit from your work. You selflessly contribute to making computer software better. This makes you part of a community, a community of people who want to make things better for others. Most of Free Software project are international and thus give you a change to interact with people all over the world, it broadends you views. This list is an example of one of the ways the 'debian users' community interacts. There are 'debian user' lists in some 10 languages. In our list, there are people from all the different continents. These lists represent ways that other people (users) ask for help from others. We on the list freely help other people to solve their computer problems. We also talk about other things like world politics, what you have for lunch or trains used in the UK. Debian is basically a project to freely help make things better around the world mostly through computers but also by creating a community of people. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allowing a normal user to work efficiently
HI B, On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Benedict Verheyen wrote: Hi, i'm wondering what the best method is of allowing a normal user account to do stuff like writing cd's, accessing local webpages (/var/www) and so on. There are a couple of methods like: 1. Making a group, put the user in that group and set that group as owner of say /var/www or another dir where you want to user to have access too. APACHE has an option to have ~/public_html/ be a user's web directory and is accessed by http://my.site/~user 2. In case of cd writing, you can set the SUID of cdrecord and related programs or you can use sudo. Only problem with sudo is that the user has to type sudo in front of the commands. I guess k3b is a great program and it asks to 'add users' to allow burning. What is the best method with security and user-friendliness in mind? I mean, I could let my wife work on Linux but to take the example of the cdwriting, she would be confused: hey, on windows i can burn cd's straight out of the box and here not, i have to use this sudo thing MS windows is 'friendly' to users and virii and cracker alike out of the box. Us *nix folks like to keep our data a bit safer. Off course this example is a bit far fetched since she wouldn't work on the command line and use XCDRoast or something similar and thus avoid the problems described above. But i would still like to know what the best way of working is. Thanks for any insights, Benedict Cheers, -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one font system in use. I would love to see a trouble shooting section. I'm not sure what it would include, but perhaps use of strace or ldd to determine what font system the application is using. Hi, I'd second that! I'd like to know what which font management is used by App X, so that I know how to address font problems. Maybe it could be added to packages like: readme.font-config or added to the pkg info like 'installed-size'. Better font info and thus handling would go a long way to makeing gnu/linux and debian better accecpted. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem on woody
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, [loonyx | rolf joho] wrote: hi there even though i load the ide-scsi module at boottime, i can not mount my ide-dvd-writer. since i was perfectly able to do that on earlier installations, i am asking for hints. through /etc/modules i successfully load this: sr_mod ide-scsi my complete lsmod can be found at the end of the message. my bootloader (grub) has this entry (which worked on older setups): kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-smp-woody-xas-1.0-i686 video=matrox:vesa:440 ro root=/dev/sda6 idebus=66 hdc=ide-scsi when i try to mount a cdrom i get this (even as root): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:rolf]# mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/scd0 /cdrom mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device i tried other devices like scd1... sg0... no success. Hi Rolf, does /dev/scd0, /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg0 exist? any info from dmesg or from /var/log/messages? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dependency problems
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:46:19PM +0200, Martin Wegmann said hello, I have some dependency problems - broken packages and tried to fix them with apt-get -f install/remove but that does not work, any advice how to proceed? using testing/unstable snip [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/baliola# That's a bug in either libxcursor-dev or xlibs-dev. Are they both up to date with what's in sid? I had the same prob yesterday and did a 'force'. I guess it will be ok by the time I update in a week for so. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
install over bootp
Hi Debianista, I've come across a challange. Install on a laptop with no floppy, no cdrom, an ethernet port and bootp/dhcp. Does anyone know an links to docs on this kind of install? TIA -Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WordPerfect8 on Debian/Sid ?
y On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:38:15PM -0400, James D. Freels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I haven't used WordPerfect8 from Corel in a while and just discovered that it no longer runs on my Debian/Sid system. I think it is because it requires the previous version of the libc package (woody). I have copied these files (found by ldd on wordperfect executable) form a working Woody system, but libc comes first in the library search. If I place all the files in /usr/local/lib, then export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib, it picks up all but libc. Here is the present ldd fea::/home/fea/tmp/: ldd /commercial/wordperfect8.0/wpbin/xwp libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x4001e000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4006f000) libXpm.so.4 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x40136000) libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x40145000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x4014e000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4020b000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40214000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4022b000) libdl.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40359000) ld-linux.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4035c000) /commercial/wordperfect8.0/wpbin/xwp: can't resolve symbol '_rtld_global' I would like to set up a wrapper script that sets up these variables temporarily just to run wordperfect. How do I do that ? Frankly, I'd recommend WP5.1 under dosemu. Otherwise, I'll point you at Rick Moen's WordPerfect on Linux FAQ: http://www.linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/ snip Hi James and Karsten, would this be a canidate to run more than one version of debian? (the chroot thing whereby you setup something like apache or xf86 to run in chroot env that is different (libs, etc) than your current system) -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WordPerfect8 on Debian/Sid ?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, James D. Freels wrote: I haven't used WordPerfect8 from Corel in a while and just discovered that it no longer runs on my Debian/Sid system. I think it is because it requires the previous version of the libc package (woody). I have copied these files (found by ldd on wordperfect executable) form a working Woody system, but libc comes first in the library search. If I place all the files in /usr/local/lib, then export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib, it picks up all but libc. Here is the present ldd fea::/home/fea/tmp/: ldd /commercial/wordperfect8.0/wpbin/xwp libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x4001e000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4006f000) libXpm.so.4 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x40136000) libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x40145000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x4014e000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4020b000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40214000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4022b000) libdl.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40359000) ld-linux.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4035c000) /commercial/wordperfect8.0/wpbin/xwp: can't resolve symbol '_rtld_global' I would like to set up a wrapper script that sets up these variables temporarily just to run wordperfect. How do I do that ? snip Hi James, this might be a little OT but people in my local lugs met with the OO.org guy (sam heiser) and mentioned that folks in law offices and some other would switch to OO.org if and when they add WP inport/export. It would be good to get one more person to rally OO.org for this. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing Debian...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Jukka Salmi wrote: Hello, every now and then I install Debian on new ix86 machines (Dell PowerEdge). They often have hardware which is not yet supported by the kernels of the official stable Debian release 3.0r1. So far I was using an unofficial stable netinst boot CD to install the OS. I also tried a few testing CDs (official and unofficial, downloaded using jigdo), but without success: segfaults when selecting keyboard layout, etc. What I'd like to have is a bootable Debian CD with a recent kernel and a working setup program. What's the easiest way to get / create such a CD? Hi Jukka, have you seen bonzai linux? it uses a 2.4.20 or 2.4.21 kernal and has kde and a modified version of 'bootfloppies' and its a 200mb image. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Marlin Unruh wrote: Hi, I just installed debian 3.0r1 and the mouse will not work. I have a serial track ball with a PS/2 adapter, and have it plugged into the PS/2 port. The track ball is a Kensington Expert Mouse. Do I need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? If so what should I try for the settings? Device: Protocol: Is there a utility that would help configure the mouse. How do you open the menu without the mouse working, with hot keys? -marlin unruh I go to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and use 'mouseconfig'. as for working in kde without a mouse, I go to a console, and type 'xterm -display :0.0', then go back to kde and the xterm appears and I start to type a command. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a new machine with the same set of packages as an existing one?
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote: stan wrote: How cna I do this? The machine I want to match is a testting machine, that I quit updating about a month agao. Still has Gnome 1.4 for instance. Will this ne a problem? On source machine: dpkg --get-selections selections.txt On destination machine: (make sure sources.list is the same) apt-get update dpkg --set-selections selections.txt apt-get upgrade -Roberto Hi Debianista, I was looking at various posts about recreating a debian install from the 'get selections'. But suppose you want to also use the same /etc for the packacges. (eg apache setup, sendmail config,...). Would you just make the base system, use 'set selection', update and them bulk copy over the current /etc dir? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passwordless root login
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, J. Bruce Fields wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 10:15:16AM +0800, Sacha Chua wrote: J. Bruce Fields [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to configure a debian box to allow root logins without a password; what do I need to do? The relevant line in the password file is root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash I thought the empty password field would do the job, but apparently not. There is no /etc/shadow file. You probably don't want to do that, as that will give everyone access to everything on your box. As far as I know I don't have anything (sshd, ftpd, etc.) installed that allows remote logins. I'm willing to trust anyone who has access to the console. Anyway, to answer my original question, it looks like what I needed to do (in addition to making sure there was no root password in /etc/passwd) was add nullok after some pam_unix.so's in the files in /etc/pam.d/. --Bruce Fields Hi Bruce, while you may say that anyone with physical access to you box is to trusted, there are more reasons not to have a box with only 'root' than vise vera. Any normal *nix setup always ask you to create at least one user account. Why? Because all root commands can do damage and all commands do not need root. So, if you login as any user, you already limit any damage to your nice box. And if the person trys a command like 'rm -rf' and forgets to 'su' or 'sudo', if will just be one more safeguard. It requires that you think a moment before you do a command and use the 'su' or 'sudo'. It may save you box from begin 'toast' from a mistyped command. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a new machine with the same set of packages as an existing one?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote: snip I believe that --set-selections only actually has an effect if you do 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' (or 'dselect install', less circuitously). 'apt-get upgrade' uses apt's own upgrading logic rather than what you selected. Cheers, snip Hi Colin and Debs, Something has been bugging me about this business. Why have 2 package management utilities that do not get/update information from the same 'book', so to speak? IIRC, dpkg was 1st and apt using dpkg info. Why would someone make dselect 'do its own thing'? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Splitting attachments into separate emails
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Johann Spies wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 11:30:41PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I did not know about the '+' option. That is nice. Now once that is done, you need to determine what to do with the 4 mail types: inline forward, attachment forward, inline reply and attachment reply. procmail and/or perl may be need to do this simple check. As far as I can see procmail/formail can not extract or split attachments into separate files and I would probably write something to do this. I do not know perl very well, so I would probably do it in ocaml which is more familiar to me. snip Hi Johann, I use pine and forwards are quoted inline not as attachments. So, my message is like this: HEADER_WITH_SPAM_AS_SUBJECT BLANK_LINE INLINE_FORWARD BLANK_LINE whereas with an forward'ed attachment might be like this HEADER_WITH_SPAM_AS_SUBJECT BLANK_LINE MIME_ENCODED_FORWARD BLANK_LINE I would think both types could be sent? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Splitting attachments into separate emails
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 at 08:08 GMT, Johann Spies penned: These 4 options can be sorted out with procmail. I also realized that the from: would be from your network and the to: would be you, also on your network, so that would differentiate it from other mails using procmail. Also, you can use a (maybe underused) mail filtering technique: the '+'. You can ask that the mail be send to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this is easy to filter. Or create a 2 new email addresses. These are suggestion to figure out which mails are for sa. I did not know about the '+' option. That is nice. I'm not sure that all MTAs support the + notation out of the box ... I know I had to tweak exim to get it to pass through addresses of style [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... iirc I would have had to have done the same for the + notation. Hi Monique and Debs, Does anyone know which MTA will or won't. Monique, just for kicks, could you try it? It worked on my generic sendmail and it worked for my BIG, commerical ISP earthlink. So, I'm just curious? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weather Stations
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 11:39:13PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Bill Moseley wrote: Actually, there's two parts. First we need a machine to collect data from an inexpensive weather station and then copy (ftp/scp) the data to some location every so often. Any suggestions for weather stations (a piece of equipment, not an online station) that a linux box can talk to? I assume a serial port is the interface of choice here. The second part is for a web site to fetch the data and convert it into some type of display suitable for a web page. It would be nice to have something graphic (even if it is static data -- could use some animated image to give the effect of the wind speed fluctuating, I suppose ;) Any ideas? I recall from pop electronics or maybe the back of Linux (world,format...) some ruggedized simple data logging devices (temp, Hg, vibration) with serial intefaces that run on batteries? I just did a google: Bingo! www.picotech.com Do they support Linux now? Their ads look like they're still M$-only. snip Hi, I was googing on 'picotech linux' and thougth I saw something but now that I looked again, I saw they were advertising only 'linux drivers for their products for free (for red hat 5.2 and 6.0). Oh well. Maybe someone can get them to open source it. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Splitting attachments into separate emails
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Johann Spies wrote: I administer 3 email servers which use spamassassin. We are testing the service with about 110 users whose email are scanned by SA. My arrangement with them is to send me either spam that scored too low or false positives as attachments with either spam or ham in the Subject-line. What I want to do now is to exctract those emails from the attachments and put them in a maildir which can then be used by other processes to feed them so sa-learn. Now my question: Are you aware of any tools that can do this? An example of email that I receive (as Mutt shows the attachments) looks like this: I 2 Apcn, all your relatives can get the sam [message/rfc822, 7bit, 4,2K] I 3 no description[text/plain, quoted, iso-8859-1, 2,9K] I 4 dichotoaous rlomberg rbcvuijmbpqed [message/rfc822, 7bit, 3,3K] I 5 no description[text/plain, quoted, iso-8859-1, 2,0K] I 6 Invite your friends to play live poker o [message/rfc822, 7bit, 1,7K] I 7 no description[text/plain, quoted, iso-8859-1, 0,4K] I 8 Re: Vicodin71uh [message/rfc822, 7bit, 1,4K] I 9 no description[text/plain, quoted, iso-8859-1, 0,3K] I10 no more doctor to get your pharmys8z [message/rfc822, 7bit, 1,6K] I11 no description[text/plain, quoted, iso-8859-1, 0,4K] I want to put items 2,4,6,8 and 10 in the maildir: ~/Mail/spam as separate messages. snip Hi Johann, First I was confused by your phrase 'send me .. as attachments' beacuse there are 2 formats that various mailreader use: inline and attachment. So, you'd have to check for both types and extract them differently. Secondly, I was not sure if the user would 'reply' or 'forward' the mail to you. These 4 options can be sorted out with procmail. I also realized that the from: would be from your network and the to: would be you, also on your network, so that would differentiate it from other mails using procmail. Also, you can use a (maybe underused) mail filtering technique: the '+'. You can ask that the mail be send to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this is easy to filter. Or create a 2 new email addresses. These are suggestion to figure out which mails are for sa. Now once that is done, you need to determine what to do with the 4 mail types: inline forward, attachment forward, inline reply and attachment reply. procmail and/or perl may be need to do this simple check. Then you send it to the 'extract spam/ham and feed sa' script. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weather Stations
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Bill Moseley wrote: Actually, there's two parts. First we need a machine to collect data from an inexpensive weather station and then copy (ftp/scp) the data to some location every so often. Any suggestions for weather stations (a piece of equipment, not an online station) that a linux box can talk to? I assume a serial port is the interface of choice here. The second part is for a web site to fetch the data and convert it into some type of display suitable for a web page. It would be nice to have something graphic (even if it is static data -- could use some animated image to give the effect of the wind speed fluctuating, I suppose ;) Any ideas? I recall from pop electronics or maybe the back of Linux (world,format...) some ruggedized simple data logging devices (temp, Hg, vibration) with serial intefaces that run on batteries? I just did a google: Bingo! www.picotech.com -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing permissions of files in directories
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 10:04:01AM +, Adam wrote:
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 08:00, Lukas Ruf wrote:
find path -type f | xargs chmod 0644
I would have come up with
find PATH -type f -exec chmod 0644 '{}' ';'
Is the version with xargs better, and how?
The version with xargs is much better: it runs a single instance of
chmod with all the files (or as many as will fit) as arguments, rather
than running a separate instance of chmod for every file.
The downside is that you can only use xargs this way for programs that
let you specify an arbitrary number of filenames lasting up to the end
of the command line. Fortunately, most command-line Unix utilities
behave this way or can be made to behave this way.
snip
Although it may use more processes, I use this format for many situations:
some command to stdout | while read line; do
statements
done
so,
find PATH -type f | while read line; do
chmod 0644 $line;
done
Cheers,
-K
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Re: Partitions and format
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Stuart Robinson wrote: Hello all, I'm two days into my first debian install *hurrah* (how nice is apt?) Sorry. Question: I've forgotten what kind of format my linux partitions are (I suspect I chose 'linux' (ext3?)- how can I tell and if I really would prefer a journalling format can I change it without a reinstall? For info: started with plain bf24/stable then dist-upgraded to testing, then again to unstable. I'm pleasantly surprised that worked actually! Thanks in advance Stu Hi Stu, Welcome to the fun world of APT! there are quite a few way to tell your file system stuff. 1) cat /etc/fstab 2) fdisk -l 3) cfdisk 4) mount 5) cat /etc/mtab 6) cat /proc/partitions It is easy to change ext2 to ext3 with a few command and some editing. if you have a journaling FS running, do a ps -A f|more you may see the daemons running for ext3 or reiserFS. I have [kreiserfsd] running. the [...] means its a kernel thing. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still BIG problems with XFree on Dell C400
On 6 Oct 2003, Jon Haugsand wrote: The Dell C400 is troublesome, in particular with Debian since its policy of conservative upgrades. Anyway, I have downloaded the following packages: XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Debian 4.3.0-0ds2.0.0woody1 20030307145421 marcelo@) kernel-source-2.4.22 The kernel recompiled with settings as recommended. However, when issuing startx, the screens goes black, 30-60 seconds goes by, suddenly the screen looks X like with the X mouse pointer, but then I am back to console mode again. Looking into the /var/log/XFree86.0.log and grepping out (WW), (EE) and Warning, I get this: snip Any idea of what goes wrong? Or how to debug my situation? snip a quick google search found this: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/linux/c400.html although I did not vet it, it seem to mention the i830 issues as well as a new xf86 help doc. Cheers! -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing a kernel off CD-ROM
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, cr wrote: Is there any way to install a kernel on the hard drive off the install CD-ROMs (without going through the whole Install process)? if the kernel-image package is in your /etc/sources.list then just apt-get it. Althought, I would read this first (http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html) -Kev snip -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB not working, Need Help
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Ralph F. De Witt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 October 2003 12:12 am, Marshal Wong wrote: First off, did you recompile the kernel or are you using a stock kernel? Did you load the usb modules? I don't know how well you know linux, so if you've already done all that, please forgive. Let us know what steps you've taken and any error results and maybe we can help you more. Marshal: Thanks for your quick reply. To answer your questions. This Debian install start out as Knoppix 3.2. As I failed to get Woody to install, could not get x to work. This is the stock kernel that installed from Knoppix. It is the 2.4.22 xfs kernel. I did a upgrade to SID. I did a lsmod and it showed the usbcore and usb-uchi modules loaded. Yesterday my three usb devices and the usb system stuff showed in the KDE info center today after a upgrade to SID and reboot they do not show and xsane cannot find the scanner. My thinking is that in converting the Knoppix install to Sid something broke the USB system, I can see the usb modules loaded with lsmod but do not know what else to do to trouble shoot the problem. is there any relevant info in /var/log/messages is usbmgr installed? I use usbview to view the usb info. HTH -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB not working, Need Help
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Ralph F. De Witt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 October 2003 01:16 am, Marshal Wong wrote: Check if /proc/bus/usb is mounted. That maybe where KDE info center gets its information. (I don't use KDE, so I can't really help you there). If not, it can be mounted by mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb as root. This seems to be part of the problem. When I issued the mount command the three USB Root hubs now show up in the KDE INfo Center. However no USB devices are shown. also check that /dev/ and/or /dev/usb/ has the device files for your usb stuff. (what do you have beside the scanner?) The device files for the scanner are the only things in dev. Besides the scanner I have a USB web camera and a three in one card reader. The easiest for me to check is the scanner. With xsane, check the configuration files for xsane. They should be /etc/xsane or something like that. You may have to edit the configuration files to point xsane in the right direction. I have already edited the epson scanner config file to point to the proper USB device. But lets make sure that usb is up and running first before tackling xsane. You got a USB mouse or something easy to test? The easiset for me to test is the scanner. Some things I noticed in synaptic is that devfsd is not installed, usbmgr is also not installed and could not be installed unmet dependencies. I am still using the knoppix initscripts and 2.4.22 xfs kernel. I am not sure if the devfsd is used. usbmgr depends on libc6 so which version of usbmgr did you try to install? apt-get install usbmgr/stable apt-get install usbmgr/testing apt-get install usbmgr/unstable --- Running: apt-cache show usbmgr Package: usbmgr Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 168 Maintainer: Yoshiaki Yanagihara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 0.4.8-8 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.1-1) Filename: pool/main/u/usbmgr/usbmgr_0.4.8-8_i386.deb Size: 37612 MD5sum: fd873c8580f9d7e9421a3951f40a30f5 Description: User-Mode daemon which loads/unloads USB kernel modules When USB devices connect into or disconnect from a USB hub, the usbmgr works as follows, according to configuration: . a) Load and unload Linux kernel modules. b) Execute scripts to setup USB devices. . usbmgr is available under linux kernels having /proc/bus/usb. Package: usbmgr Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 172 Maintainer: Yoshiaki Yanagihara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 0.4.8-5 Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4) Filename: pool/main/u/usbmgr/usbmgr_0.4.8-5_i386.deb Size: 35934 MD5sum: b1547e46839f7a857771a7882965f2f4 Description: User-Mode daemon which loads/unloads USB kernel modules When USB devices connect into or disconnect from a USB hub, the usbmgr works as the following according to configuration. . a) Loads and unloads files Linux kernel modules. b) Execute file to setup USB devices. . usbmgr is available under linux kernel have /proc/bus/usb. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache goes haywire, NSCD fixes it. Odd (solved) problem.
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Tyler Morgan wrote:
Hi,
I have recently surmounted an odd problem involving Apache 1.3.27.0-2
on Debian testing/unstable (with a 2.4.22 kernel) and thought it may be
worthwhile to explain what happened to a group of people who might care,
in hopes that others find the information useful.
A few days ago my machine, which is a Dell P4 2.4 GHz box (pretty generic),
started experiencing extremely high load averages and CPU usage. A couple of
apache processes (anywhere from 1 to 5) had decided to eat 100% of CPU and
100% of RAM (1G physical 1G swap) between themselves (evenly distributed)
for no apparent reason. Restarting apache would temporarily fix these
runaway processes for anywhere from 30 seconds to 12 hours. Typically it
would start up again within 10 or 15 minutes.
Not being able to figure out what the hell these processes were doing by
examining logs and the server-status page, I started stracing the runaway
pids. The output looked like this:
-- strace output --
# strace -p pid of a runaway apache
close(7)= 0
mremap(0x44735000, 304750592, 304754688, MREMAP_MAYMOVE) = 0x44735000
open(/etc/passwd, O_RDONLY) = 7
fcntl64(7, F_GETFD) = 0
fcntl64(7, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0
_llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)= 0
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=4158, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4158, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 7, 0) = 0x403f4000
_llseek(7, 4158, [4158], SEEK_SET) = 0
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=4158, ...}) = 0
munmap(0x403f4000, 4158)= 0
close(7)= 0
repeat
-- end strace --
That would happen over and over about a hundred thousand times until the
system ran out of memory and the process was killed by the kernel.
I was stuck at this point. Why the hell is apache freaking out and eating
tons of CPU while attempting to open /etc/passwd? Who knows? You wouldn't
believe the amount of troubleshooting I did. New kernels, new source
compiled apache binaries with default configurations, confirmed md5 sums
of all apache binaries and linked libraries against a problem-free machine,
a complete hardware swap, and even a run with apache-ssl. I tried everything
and this was still happening.
About to give up hope, I started looking at strace output again. I didn't
notice this before:
-- more strace --
connect(7, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, path=/var/run/.nscd_socket}, 110) = -1 \
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
close(7)= 0
open(/etc/passwd, O_RDONLY) = 7
-- end strace --
Hmm.. It.s trying to connect to NSCD before trying (and failing) to open
/etc/passwd. It only was trying NSCD about once every 50 attempts.
Not knowing what NSCD even is I Googled around and found out it provides
cached passwd lookups (among other things). That sounded promising!
Installed NSCD and, well, look at the graphs yourself:
http://discore.org/cpusum-day.png
(Daily CPU usage % updated every 5 min)
NSCD was installed just after 3PM and the problem magically disappeared.
Bug? Maybe. Error on my part? More likely. Odd? I think so. Fun? Not at all.
I still don't know why apache couldn't just open /etc/passwd to get the
information that NSCD provides more readily. The permissions are fine
and nothing but apache is having problems.
I'd be available to do further testing of this if anyone is interested.
Mostly the point of this post is just to provide information on something
that happened to me and was fixed quite easily after far too much
troubleshooting.
Thanks for reading,
Tyler Morgan
Is your apache serving static pages or dynamic? What modules is it using?
Can you think of anything that need authentication (checking a password)?
This may have fixed your problem but I don't thing it was the real
solution.
-K
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Re: can't get off the ground
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Neo wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 08:34, Jason Housewright wrote: I am in dire need of help...again. I have dl the netinst image from debian (the official for test). I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get it to recognize my pcmcia ethernet card. I have specified boot in the boot parameters, but pcmcia has not been turned on. I would really, really appreciate some direction here. I can't get any further than the select network card of the install. Thanks again. Jason Housewright __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Hi Jason, am not an expert, but my pcmcia ethernetcard required the loading of pcmcia modules in the kernel. This is fairly simple to do, unless you need to compile them in the kernel, in which case you're in whole new world of trouble/hurt/learning ;-). Loading pcmcia modules (when enabled in your kernel) is fairly straigth forward: run as root 'lsmod', which shows the currently loaded mdules. If there are no modules named 'pcmcia_core' or such, you can start with 'modprobe pcmcia_core' which tries to load the pcmcia modules. If this succeeds, (check with 'lsmod'), you can try to load your apropriate network card driver with 'modprobe drivername'. Your drivers can be found at '/lib/modules/kernel version/pcmcia'. Work from there. Hi Jason, yes I agree you need to load the modules for the pcmcia interface and the ethernet card. Have you tried to get a copy of knoppix? If you can boot it from your laptop, you can run the lsmod from a root console and then you may then want to install knoppix ;-). -Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't get off the ground
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Jason Housewright wrote: Thanks Jan. I am grateful for your help. My problem is, however, that I'm trying to install. I have to have the card working before I can even install Debian. Oh me. Such troubles. I'm not sure how to get the pcmcia module loaded for the installation. I am truly amazed at how helpful this list is! In some groups there is such an elitist mentality. As far as I have read, Debian users are truly a community. That is just awesome. Ok, I'll shut up. Thanks again. Jason Housewright --- Neo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 08:34, Jason Housewright wrote: I am in dire need of help...again. I have dl the netinst image from debian (the official for test). I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get it to recognize my pcmcia ethernet card. I have specified boot in the boot parameters, but pcmcia has not been turned on. I would really, really appreciate some direction here. I can't get any further than the select network card of the install. Thanks again. Jason Housewright __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com snip Hi Jason, In the Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 For Intel x86 on the debian site, on page 75, in chapter 7, part 7.5, it says However, if you are installing by way of a PCMCIA network device, this alternate must be selected, and PCMCIA support must be configured prior to configuring the network. This alternate step is sufficient to load the device driver for a PCMCIA ethernet card. There is more to read. Check it out. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do we really need to worry about viruses (was Re: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?)
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: snip Given that I live alone with a cat, I still lock my desktop when I walk away for any length of time, set xscreensaver to cut in (and lock) anyway, and require a password for 'sudo' on my personal account. snip Hi Karsten, you must have one smart cat to have to password protect your console! ;-) -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Probmelms mit Procmail
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Christian Borchmann wrote: Hallo, What right have i to give to the .procmailrc file? snip chmod 644 .procmailrc chown spitfire:spitfire .procmailrc this is how mine is set. -kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can't get off the ground
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Jason Housewright wrote: Thanks Kev. Your help is truly appreciated. I had read right through that info earlier. It didn't make sense though becuase I wasn't getting anything like what was described in the doc. It wouldn't have been a problem on my main PC. That's ok. I decided to forget about doing a net install and simply download whole iso's. I have another, probably easier question: I certainly don't want to dl all 7 CD's. That was why I wanted to do a net install. At this point, I just want to get a base system going, then use apt-get to bring it up to speed. How many of the images should I dl to do this most efficiently. I read in the documentation that probably around 3 would suffice. How many would y'all suggest? Would two do the trick...one? Thanks for the help and direction. snip Hi Jason, I used once bonzai linux: https://developer.berlios.de/projects/bonzai/ It a cool way to install woody (or stable) debian and KDE. only 200mb. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE+Kmail
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote: Hi. I tried to uninstall exim, which led me to a question... why does KDE depend on KMail? Isnt KDE a Desktop Environment and KMail a mail client/service? -- Fred snip Hi Fred, Kde 'desktop' requires kde 'libraries'. You can run kde apps as long as you have the kde libraries. so, I expect it is installing the kde 'libraries' upon which kmail depends. At least I think so. Would more enlightened debianistas comment -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .procmailrc
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I make procmail sort out the debian user list? I've tried: #Debian user :0 * ^To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] debian But it doesn't work. Hi Anjun, this procmailrc contains a few helpful options. A logfile, a default mailbox and a backup copy of every message before it goes to any rules that you add --- PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #put all sorted mail here DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox #default mail box LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from #log file # backup copy of all mail :0 c $MAILDIR/backup # rule for debian-user list :0 * ^To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] $MAILDIR/daily/debian-user # add other rules here -- -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft-Fonts
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Uwe Dippel wrote: There are those collections of Microsoft-Fonts around. Do we have a package in Debian ? I tried apt-cache, but no success.$ Uwe Make sure you have included the contrib repositories and: apt-get install msttcorefonts The installer will ask you have the fonts archive locally on your sysem (which yoo do not) and then go out to the net and get them if you don't. Then it will extract and install the fonts for you. -Roberto Hi Roberto, I've tried to install various fonts including the msttcorefonts.Problem is, I dont know how to verify that they are installed properly There seems to be gnome font stuff, X fonts stuff, deforma font stuff and I dont know how to check which font stuff is related to application XYZ. Any hints appreciated. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailing list
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, John Carline wrote: Pascal Hakim wrote: You're in luck... I wrote a bit of code last night to keep a copy of the last bounce message we've received from all addresses. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host relay1.kubtelecom.ru[213.132.64.82] said: 554 Message rejected due to its POSSIBLE SPAM CONTENTS (#5.3.2) The bounce handler just sees that you are bouncing messages. You are not the only one in this situation, there are quite a few other people getting kicked off debian lists because of this problem, but there's no easy solution in sight. It's ironic isn't it, we have people turning ugly because they can't figure out how to unsubscribe and all that's required is to let your mailbox get full or have some mail bounce. As one of the quite a few others kicked off the list due to bounced mail, I've contacted my ISP and asked why and how much of my mail they're bouncing. While they've been quite cordial, they've also not been much help. All they can tell me is that the standard spam filter (whatever the hell that is) must be rejecting my mail. One question they asked was if I could supply a copy of a bounced message. Can I? Or did you write that last bit of code two late for me? John I dont know your exact curcumstance but I was unsubscribed because my 10mb pop3 email box was swen'ed for more than a week. And the mail that was sent, couldn't be delivered to a full mailbox. And after many attempts, it decided I was no longer a vaild email address. As your your remarks about your ISP, I got a similar respose. Helpfull, but they could do nothing. Spam they could block, virii they felt I needed to get. So, I have to download MB's of virii and use a simple procmail filter to remove it but my big ISP is helpless. Jeez. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freedom of debian
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Jason Housewright wrote: Greetings again and thanks for the replies dealing with lilo and grub (sounds like a bad movie doesn't it?). I hope that I'm not being too general with this next question... Using Debian, is it fair to say that one has more freedom regarding the software installed...specifically, I mean that my experience with GNU/Linux thus far has been that if you want to install an upgraded version of something...say mozilla for example, or KDE, that you have to overcome the older packages...I've been using an rpm distro if that clarifies a bit. Anyway, I want to be able to put what I want on my computer without having to go through a song and a dance so to speak just to get it. Perhaps I'm just lazy. You all have been great and this list is really informative. Thanks for your help. You are greatly appreciated. snip Hi Jason, rpm based distro work like this: find the new package yourself, find the dependencies yourself, pray that eveything works ok. Althought with Ximian red carpet express, this is much simplifed. And now there is an APT for rpm which is being improved with the new Fedora Redhat project. But Debian has (almost) always used apt-get which figures dependencies for you (most of the time). With debian, the files come to you whereas the old rpm system required you to find packages and fix things yourself. Also with apt-get you can get a source package if you want, to a freshly minted app. Redhat has srpms but again you have to do all the work. -Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt damaged need help to fix.
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Dan Hunt wrote: Ever do something careless and not know how to fix it? Early this morning I purposely deleted the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives . Problem was I deleted the everything up to /var/cache/apt/ ( Why? The old .deb files are not being deleted automatically so I was cleaning up, when I should have been making coffee. ) When I run: dhunt:/home/dan# apt-get update E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object If you know how I can get apt-get back I would appreciate a response to the list. snip I'd try: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial chmod 755 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial chown root:root /var/cache/apt/archives/partial that is what mine is. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do we really need to worry about viruses
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Benedict Verheyen wrote: snip I think that a lot of users tend to switch to using root because they cannot achieve simple tasks with their normal user. For instance writing cd's. It would help if there is a doc that explains how users can best set up their system to achieve this. For example, hinting to the use of sudo and so on. This would help IMO but i haven't found a doc that explains these issues and suggest sollutions for the most common tasks where users are confronted with permission problems. Such a doc should really be available alongside the other debian docs on the site. Now everybody who runs into these kinds of problems tries to solve it their own way which aren't necessary the best: running as root, using SUID and so on. Regards Benedict If when a user account is created, at least in my debian experience, it is not given the required group membership, you can only use the cdrom as root. So, the user needs to be added to the cdrom group. I guess I never checked, but does the k3b .deb contain any info in its faq's about this common issue? Is the use of the group cdrom for cdrom access and the use of the audio group for sound a (current) standard in debian (or other unixes)? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
swen killed me!
Hello D-u, I stopped getting mail from you guys! I check the list and realized that I was a victim of swen! Is there a 'list command' to get the last 100 messages? -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: swen killed me!
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Joerg Johannes wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello D-u, I stopped getting mail from you guys! I check the list and realized that I was a victim of swen! Is there a 'list command' to get the last 100 messages? -Kev If you have a pop mail-provider, go ahead and apt-get install popcheck. This will connect you to your pop server, show you the subject lines (and iirc the size) of all mails on the server, and then you can delete them manually. After that, start your normal mail client and download the good messages. snip Thanks Joerg for the info. I didn't know about popcheck. I did just start using mailfilter which I am trying to setup so that I can have it generate a list of mail to delete. -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
