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If there is to be a vote on a new series of Debian version names, then Alice (in Wonderland and through the Looking glass) gets my vote. No copyright problem. (Of course I mean the books and not the film.) Dave -- Dave Whiteley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +44 (0)113 343 2059 School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering The University of Leeds. Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:18:30AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: snip Two words: Walt Disney Which is actually really sad and unfair to Walt Disney himself. He never advocated animation strictly as entertainment for children. It was after his passing that the company decided to head in this direction. Walt Disney had a close collaboration with Salvador Dali that began with Fantasia. Disney intended to release a Fantasia 2 which was to be drawn and overseen by Dali himself. There are still a number of preliminary sketches done by Dali for the project floating around. Unfortunately, after Walt Disney's passing, the company decided that children should be their target audience and, hence, animation as a children's form of entertainment was born. snip -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 Actually, Fantasia was supposed to get updated every couple of years and re-released to show the updates in technology in animation and the growth of music. It was basically supposed to be a continuing work in progress but as you say, after he passed away that dream was never realized. Is it just me, or is your client consistently and annoyingly breaking threads? -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://ertius.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* Rob Weir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is it just me, or is your client consistently and annoyingly breaking threads? it's not just you. my mutt is set to _not_ thread by subject, and in any case doing such is unlikely to track exactly who anyone is replying to. thanks for speaking up! :D iain -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is it just me, or is your client consistently and annoyingly breaking threads? -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ertius.org/ If your talking to me, it would surprise me. I'm stuck with Outlook at work!! :-( Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* deFreese, Barry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is it just me, or is your client consistently and annoyingly breaking threads? -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ertius.org/ If your talking to me, it would surprise me. I'm stuck with Outlook at work!! :-( your email has no References: header, which threads emails (afaik). your user-agent is reported as internet mail service, not outlook. iain -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:18:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Not too valid when I saw a copy of Disney's Princess Mononoke in Freddy's (the English dub of Mononoke Hime). That's a pretty voilent movie and certainly not suitable for children. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 24-Feb-2003, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:18:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Not too valid when I saw a copy of Disney's Princess Mononoke in Freddy's (the English dub of Mononoke Hime). That's a pretty voilent movie and certainly not suitable for children. Yeah, but most americans are also blind to anime. Me being an american, I have to say anime is the greatest art of animation ever. -- Patrick Diablo-D3 McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:18:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Not too valid when I saw a copy of Disney's Princess Mononoke in Freddy's (the English dub of Mononoke Hime). That's a pretty voilent movie and certainly not suitable for children. Huh? Princess Mononoke isn't a Disney movie at all; it's a Japanese anime by Hayao Miyazaki, distributed in the USA by Miramax (at least, their logo is on the DVD, and Disney's isn't). Craig pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Huh? Princess Mononoke isn't a Disney movie at all; it's a Japanese anime by Hayao Miyazaki, distributed in the USA by Miramax (at least, their logo is on the DVD, and Disney's isn't). Guess who owns Miramax? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Dresser wrote: Huh? Princess Mononoke isn't a Disney movie at all; it's a Japanese anime by Hayao Miyazaki, distributed in the USA by Miramax (at least, their logo is on the DVD, and Disney's isn't). Guess who owns Miramax? Disney owns lots of things. Is every cop show on ABC a Disney cop show, and therefore presumably aimed at children, just because Disney owns ABC? Miramax, as far as I know, is largely an independent operation, despite being owned by Disney. Craig pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yup, both in Toy Story. You really should see the movie. For being a kids movie it is very good!! This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system I don't think that's necessarily true of all Americans. I love animated movies whether they are targeted to kids or not. However, that being said, many of the animated movies produced over here are targeted to children. Most of the Pixar movies have not been and even some of the Disney movies walk the line. Look at Iron Giant. Great, great animated movie and I will agree with you that probably many adults haven't seen it because it was a kids movie. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:30AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Johnny Bravo?? SpongeBob all the way!!! :-) It's starting to get to the point that we should probably move this to rec.arts.animation soon, but... Probably, sorry! Spongebob? Yuck. How can anybody possibly stomach any of that derivative Klasky-Csupo crap? The animation sucks, the characters are annoying, and the general concept of the show is a terribly sanitized knockoff of Beavis and Butthead. Except Beavis and Butthead was funny. I loved Beavis and Butthead. I can't explain Spongebob. Yes it's really stupid but sometimes it just makes me laugh, especially Patrick the starfish. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip Two words: Walt Disney Which is actually really sad and unfair to Walt Disney himself. He never advocated animation strictly as entertainment for children. It was after his passing that the company decided to head in this direction. Walt Disney had a close collaboration with Salvador Dali that began with Fantasia. Disney intended to release a Fantasia 2 which was to be drawn and overseen by Dali himself. There are still a number of preliminary sketches done by Dali for the project floating around. Unfortunately, after Walt Disney's passing, the company decided that children should be their target audience and, hence, animation as a children's form of entertainment was born. snip -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 Actually, Fantasia was supposed to get updated every couple of years and re-released to show the updates in technology in animation and the growth of music. It was basically supposed to be a continuing work in progress but as you say, after he passed away that dream was never realized. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 05:18:18AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:18:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Not too valid when I saw a copy of Disney's Princess Mononoke in Freddy's (the English dub of Mononoke Hime). That's a pretty voilent movie and certainly not suitable for children. You're obfuscating the point. Think Snow White, The Fox and the Hound, Robin Hood, The Lady and the Tramp, The Aristocats, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, etc. Some aren't bad movies, but the intended audience is clearly age 15. When they start showing Disney's Princess Mononoke on the Disney channel in primetime, you may have a point. This is way OT; take it to private email if you must respond :-) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that can do binary arithmetic and those that can't. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 13:25, Craig Dickson wrote: deFreese, Barry wrote: Actually, Fantasia was supposed to get updated every couple of years and re-released to show the updates in technology in animation and the growth of music. It was basically supposed to be a continuing work in progress but as you say, after he passed away that dream was never realized. As I recall, the dream was never realized because Fantasia didn't make much money in its first release. Walt had another 25 years to put out an update before his death in the '60s, but he never did, so I don't think it's quite accurate to say that his death was the crucial factor. Of course, we now have Fantasia 2000, which utterly fails to live up to the standards of its famous predecessor, though the flamingo sequence is the funniest thing to come out of Disney in at least 30 years. Craig I know that the Fantasia I saw as a kid, and the Fantasia I have on video tape (and saw in a theatre in 1984 when it was restored) are different. The original Fantasia, from what I understand, was substantively longer, but as time passed, it stayed in continuous release, playing on some screen, somewhere, but scenes were deleted to improve the flow. I've heard that the original version was four hours long. I grew up with an LP soundtrack with four key major segments from Fantasia, and one part was a bullfight - long since gone. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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said Paul Johnson (on 2003-02-24), On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:18:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Not too valid when I saw a copy of Disney's Princess Mononoke in Freddy's (the English dub of Mononoke Hime). That's a pretty voilent movie and certainly not suitable for children. American association of animation with children began decades ago. How do current Disney product offerings invalidate this? Heh, The Wonderful World of Disney was one of the few TV shows my censorious parents knee-jerk-approved of in the nineteen-seventies for my sisters and I. It was a major weekly event. (Anyone else remember The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes, Now You See Him, Now You Don't, or The Strongest Man in the World, all starring Kurt Russell and Joe Flynn?) Geordie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 07:29:04AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: Huh? Princess Mononoke isn't a Disney movie at all; it's a Japanese anime by Hayao Miyazaki, distributed in the USA by Miramax (at least, their logo is on the DVD, and Disney's isn't). I saw it in KOIN Theater in Portland two summers ago, and I remember it mentioning Disney... -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:39:25PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:03:02AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. The testing branch, before it moved to testing, was assigned the name sid, ... I don't understand. The only names the testing branch has ever had since its creation are woody and sarge. and after it got bacronymed as still-in-development when testing forked off the unstable branch, The still-in-development backronym has been around for a good bit longer than testing, if memory serves. sid used to be the name assigned to the part of the archive containing non-release-candidate architectures. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:42:47PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yup, both in Toy Story. You really should see the movie. For being a kids movie it is very good!! This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car salesman? A: A used car salesman knows when he's lying. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:18, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:42:47PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yup, both in Toy Story. You really should see the movie. For being a kids movie it is very good!! This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? Two words: Walt Disney Which is actually really sad and unfair to Walt Disney himself. He never advocated animation strictly as entertainment for children. It was after his passing that the company decided to head in this direction. Walt Disney had a close collaboration with Salvador Dali that began with Fantasia. Disney intended to release a Fantasia 2 which was to be drawn and overseen by Dali himself. There are still a number of preliminary sketches done by Dali for the project floating around. Unfortunately, after Walt Disney's passing, the company decided that children should be their target audience and, hence, animation as a children's form of entertainment was born. Thankfully, this is a phenomenon which seems to be primarily restricted to the US. Japan is a prime example of a country that most certainly does NOT make animation strictly for children. Neon Genesis Evangelion anyone? Or, for the NC-17 side of things La Blue Girl. Though the US does seem to be making some progress. Shrek was a wonderful movie for adults and children. I would venture to say that a good half of the movie was targeted PURELY at adults without being obvious enough to make it necessary to restrict children from watching it. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:18:46PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote: I think when we go to 4.0 they should be named after characters from Tremmors... Or, better yet, how about from Antitrust[1]? The movie credits the Free Software community, and features Gnome *very* prominently. Ret-conned advertising! In the scene where they're pumping gas, you can see Boys and Girls Aid Society of Oregon in the background, I used to intern there. We used have lunch at the gas station that scene takes place at. One *GLARING* error in the movie that I immediately noticed: The movie is filmed and set in Portland: The state fire marshall prohibits self-serve, it's all mini or full serve here[2]. stable: milo-hoffman (the open-source hack turned Nurv recruit) unstable: gary-winston (the CEO of Nurv) [1] Those in Europe know it as Conspiracy.com. [2] Oddly, our gas tends to be cheaper than on the other side of the Columbia in Vancouver, according to some live footage on this morning's news, you get to pay $1.819/gal to stand in the rain and pump it yourself at Arco, the Texaco on the other end of the block is charging $1.779/gal and you don't have to get out, and the Arco across the street from the Texaco is $1.759/gal, but Arco sucks: They make you get out to pay even if you use a card or have exact change... -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:29:08AM -0800, nate wrote: no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) It's a good movie, and funny. Or you just not man enough for animation? 8:o) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? All the names so far are from Toy Story. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:03:02AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. The testing branch, before it moved to testing, was assigned the name sid, and after it got bacronymed as still-in-development when testing forked off the unstable branch, that release got renamed as Sarge. Sid will eternally be unstable... -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yup, both in Toy Story. You really should see the movie. For being a kids movie it is very good!! This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans associate animation strictly with children? -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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i apologize for the gpg password encrypted email nobody could read that i sent to the list in response to this thread, commenting on the hamm/slink characters from the toy story movie. my mistake. jordan On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:29:08 -0800 (PST) nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 01:36:37PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) A Bug's Life was a lot better than Antz. I think ABL was also shooting to an older audience, there was a lot of humor that I don't think kids would understand. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:30AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Johnny Bravo?? SpongeBob all the way!!! :-) It's starting to get to the point that we should probably move this to rec.arts.animation soon, but... Spongebob? Yuck. How can anybody possibly stomach any of that derivative Klasky-Csupo crap? The animation sucks, the characters are annoying, and the general concept of the show is a terribly sanitized knockoff of Beavis and Butthead. Except Beavis and Butthead was funny. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? Thanks! Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:55:49AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? No coincidence. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.html -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:55 AM, deFreese, Barry wrote: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? Thanks! Not a coincidence - http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-codenames -- Joe Lillibridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:36 AM To: deFreese, Barry Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names Nope, it's quite intentional. Ths fun site is keeping up with who's who. On the Debian.org site there's a Debian Releases which describes stable, testing, etc. The last line of each group uses the toystory names... I think when we go to 4.0 they should be named after characters from Tremmors... Robert Or they could stay on theme and go with Monsters Inc. :-) Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Barry OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html Section 5.3 -- ___ _ Keith O'Connell. -o) Maidstone, Kent. (UK) /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:18, Robert L. Harris wrote: Nope, it's quite intentional. Ths fun site is keeping up with who's who. On the Debian.org site there's a Debian Releases which describes stable, testing, etc. The last line of each group uses the toystory names... I think when we go to 4.0 they should be named after characters from Tremmors... Robert Thus spake deFreese, Barry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? Thanks! Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: E344DA3B @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' It is because Sid was considered to be not the nicest character, and hence a qestionable name to release under, that when it was selected and assigned to Unstable, it was decided that it would be a good idea to leave it on Unstable. That said, although the releases are not so frequent that this will be an immediate concern, eventually Debian will run out of characters from the movie(s). I'm not personally sure that I feel too good about dealing with characters copyrighted (and probably trademarked) by a company that very ardently pursues (and litigates) intellectual property matters. Micro-rant there... -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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-Original Message- From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? nate Yup, both in Toy Story. You really should see the movie. For being a kids movie it is very good!! Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:29:08AM -0800, nate wrote: there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? They are. Hamm is the piggy bank, and slink is the slinky dog. -- Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 09:29 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) I'd suggest you do as they're good movies, both of them, in my opinion. They're kids/adult movies too. Lots of jokes and innuendos that my 4-year old has no clue about, but I do ! there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? They are (others have posted the Debian pages related to this). hamm is a toy piggy bank (voice by one of the Cheers characters, the postman, I believe) in the movie and slink is a slinky toy (voice by Gilbert Gnarly is it ??). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? nate Its a shame that you have no plan to see the Movie Toy Story it a nice escape from reality and we all need that once in-awhile. Don __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? Yes, of course. Hamm was a piggy bank and slink was a dog whose middle body was a slinky. Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. Do you just generally dislike films, or kid movies? Toy Story is actually a lot of fun for all ages. The script has a lot of clever touches aimed at the adults in the audience. Amazingly, Toy Story 2 is also quite good; Pixar chose not to just make an inferior clone of the first movie, and instead took the characters in a somewhat different direction. Craig msg32170/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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deFreese, Barry wrote: From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I think when we go to 4.0 they should be named after characters from Tremmors... Or they could stay on theme and go with Monsters Inc. :-) The thing about Toy Story is that it had a pretty big ensemble of well- known characters, providing enough names to keep going for a while. Monsters Inc is much more a buddy picture, with a smaller cast of memorable characters. I think Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas would offer a longer list of names, and like Toy Story it was a creative and technical marvel for its time, whereas Monsters Inc, like A Bug's Life, really offers no more than minor refinements on the basic Pixar style and technology. Craig msg32178/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 10:03 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? Yes, of course. Hamm was a piggy bank and slink was a dog whose middle body was a slinky. Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. Do you just generally dislike films, or kid movies? Toy Story is actually a lot of fun for all ages. The script has a lot of clever touches aimed at the adults in the audience. Amazingly, Toy Story 2 is also quite good; Pixar chose not to just make an inferior clone of the first movie, and instead took the characters in a somewhat different direction. Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names generally dislike family flicks. I've seen a lot of previews of toy story over the years and it really looked like something i would not enjoy. Maybe I had a bad childhood which influenced the way I react to such things, but I can't say for sure. Same goes for most other disney(and disney-like) things. I did enjoy them when I was much younger though(maybe age 11 and under?) at the moment I'm watchin johnny bravo on my tivo so maybe not all hope is lost for me :) nate Johnny Bravo?? SpongeBob all the way!!! :-) Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: Hall Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall I liked Bugs Life. Couldn't get into Antz very well. Probably because I can't stand Woody Allen. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:21:27AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: I liked Bugs Life. Couldn't get into Antz very well. Probably because I can't stand Woody Allen. Nobody likes the usual character Woddy Allen play Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- Ismael Valladolid Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] oO-SPAM-Oo She might be the one for you PGP Public Key 0x54E9F575 available at search.keyserver.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:21:27AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: I liked Bugs Life. Couldn't get into Antz very well. Probably because I can't stand Woody Allen. Nobody likes the characters he usually plays in his movies. Nevertheless, he is a great director. At least in Europe everybody loves him. Sorry for the former incomplete post. Regards, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] oO-SPAM-Oo Fwd: Reenviar: remenber,,, PGP Public Key 0x54E9F575 available at search.keyserver.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:57:14PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: They are (others have posted the Debian pages related to this). hamm is a toy piggy bank (voice by one of the Cheers characters, the postman, I believe) in the movie and slink is a slinky toy (voice by Gilbert Gnarly is it ??). That would be John Ratzenberger (Cliff Clavin on _Cheers_) who incidentally also has a role in _The Empire Strikes Back_; he's one of the rebel officers at the base on Hoth. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hall Stevenson wrote: At 10:03 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? Yes, of course. Hamm was a piggy bank and slink was a dog whose middle body was a slinky. Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. Do you just generally dislike films, or kid movies? Toy Story is actually a lot of fun for all ages. The script has a lot of clever touches aimed at the adults in the audience. Amazingly, Toy Story 2 is also quite good; Pixar chose not to just make an inferior clone of the first movie, and instead took the characters in a somewhat different direction. Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall Even close to retiring one must find some form of relaxation, and Shrek provided some. Then of course one could always find something from Chicken Run for future releases :-)) Barry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:47, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: That said, although the releases are not so frequent that this will be an immediate concern, eventually Debian will run out of characters from the movie(s). I'm not personally sure that I feel too good about dealing with characters copyrighted (and probably trademarked) by a company that very ardently pursues (and litigates) intellectual property matters. Micro-rant there... I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that's already been delt with. Reading some _very_ old pages[1] recently, I came across the addresses debian-user and debian-devel, pixar.com - so I presume debian and pixar had some communication early in the project. Shaun [1] http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/debian/0.91/info/Mailing_Lists -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Barry Rab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 17:37]: Hall Stevenson wrote: Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall Even close to retiring one must find some form of relaxation, and Shrek provided some. Then of course one could always find something from Chicken Run for future releases :-)) Barry. I knew there was at least one more animated movie or cartoon that people seem to believe is for kids but isn't. It was Shrek I was thinking of... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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said Shaun ONeil (on 2003-02-21), I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that's already been delt with. Reading some _very_ old pages[1] recently, I came across the addresses debian-user and debian-devel, pixar.com - so I presume debian and pixar had some communication early in the project. Bruce Perens, the second DPL, worked (works?) for Pixar. Geordie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
