Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
trio: A human has to push the button to turn it back on. Does anybody know a way to get around this new convenience? If you can't get the motherboard jumper/BIOS setting methods to work, how about shorting the actual switch? (Or getting rid of the pushbutton and installing a proper on/off switch in its place.) The computer may get confused at `the human keeping the button pushed in all the time', though. Jiri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll know the future has arrived when every mailer transparently quotes lines that begin with From , but no-one remembers why.
Re: Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): *- On 3 Feb, trio wrote about Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted. On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. Has anyone else run into this related problem? Basically i want to run server machines. That means i have them on a UPS. But there are times when the power is off even longer than the UPS can hold up the system. So, with the new ATX boxes, the power switch is off! Totally! A human has to push the button to turn it back on. Does anybody know a way to get around this new convenience? I'd like to be able to buy a new box and yet have it come back up after the power has been off. Look in the documentation for the motherboard. Most 'soft power off' systems have a jumper that can be set on the motherboard that will disable this. Or it may be even easier if it's set in the CMOS in a section like: Restore On AC/Power LossLast State On Modem Ring Stay Off On LAN Stay Off On PME Stay Off from one our our more recent machines. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
Navindra Umanee wrote: My bo system used to say System halted. everytime I halted the system but since I upgraded to hamm it sez Power down.. Where has this changed? I grepped for Power in /etc/init.d/* and /etc/*/* but couldn't find where to configure this. Did you update your kernel? :-) You will find this in linux/kernel/sys.c in the kernel 2.2.x sources.
Re: ATX autopowerup [was: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.]
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], trio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else run into this related problem? Basically i want to run server machines. That means i have them on a UPS. But there are times when the power is off even longer than the UPS can hold up the system. So, with the new ATX boxes, the power switch is off! Totally! A human has to push the button to turn it back on. Does anybody know a way to get around this new convenience? I'd like to be able to buy a new box and yet have it come back up after the power has been off. On a lot of systems, you can change this in the BIOS. For some systems there is a BIOS upgrade that lets you do this if the old one doesn't. Some other motherboards have a jumper to set powerup on poweron (?). If that doesn't help, you can always connect the purple wire coming from the powersupply to ground (the black wires). At least I THOUGHT it was the purple one. It might be the green one just as well .. It's easy to find; all colors of all wires are printed on the ATX powersupply usually (+12, +5, etc) but the poweron-wire isn't. That's the one you want to connect to ground. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Re: ATX autopowerup [was: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.]
*- On 4 Feb, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote about Re: ATX autopowerup [was: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.] If that doesn't help, you can always connect the purple wire coming from the powersupply to ground (the black wires). At least I THOUGHT it was the purple one. It might be the green one just as well .. It's easy to find; all colors of all wires are printed on the ATX powersupply usually (+12, +5, etc) but the poweron-wire isn't. That's the one you want to connect to ground. humor I always thought it was the RED wire if you weren't sure. At least that what it is in the movies. /humor disclaimer The proceeding was a joke DO NOT hook the RED wire from you power supply to anything else unless you want to create a paper weight and enhale some nasty smoke. /disclaimer We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
[whine] Power down. vs System halted.
Montreal Wed Feb 3 15:37:50 1999 My bo system used to say System halted. everytime I halted the system but since I upgraded to hamm it sez Power down.. Where has this changed? I grepped for Power in /etc/init.d/* and /etc/*/* but couldn't find where to configure this. Please enlighten and Cc: the luser. Thanks, Navin.
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
*- On 3 Feb, Navindra Umanee wrote about [whine] Power down. vs System halted. Montreal Wed Feb 3 15:37:50 1999 My bo system used to say System halted. everytime I halted the system but since I upgraded to hamm it sez Power down.. Where has this changed? I grepped for Power in /etc/init.d/* and /etc/*/* but couldn't find where to configure this. Please enlighten and Cc: the luser. Thanks, Navin. I just did a little digging and found that the message is defined in the linux source in .../linux/kernel/sys.c. The message is dependent on how the system is going down. Somehow your system is triggering a POWER_OFF rather than a HALT. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of how init triggers the kernel will provide more input. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a little digging and found that the message is defined in the linux source in .../linux/kernel/sys.c. The message is dependent on how the system is going down. Somehow your system is triggering a POWER_OFF rather than a HALT. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of how init triggers the kernel will provide more input. I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. There might be a way to tweak it, option to shutdown or something? Jason
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 02:26:44PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. My Alpha, which has zero APM suport either in the BIOS or in the kernel, also displays that message. There might be a way to tweak it, option to shutdown or something? Jason -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
*- On 3 Feb, Navindra Umanee wrote about [whine] Power down. vs System halted. Montreal Wed Feb 3 15:37:50 1999 My bo system used to say System halted. everytime I halted the system but since I upgraded to hamm it sez Power down.. Where has this changed? I grepped for Power in /etc/init.d/* and /etc/*/* but couldn't find where to configure this. Please enlighten and Cc: the luser. Thanks, Navin. It is part of the Kernel's APM. When you upgraded, you had a Kerenl with APM installed to auto poweroff upon halt. For some reason I could never get this to work correctly under Redhat w/ Kernel 2.2.0, but it worked when I swtiched to hamm, however I wanted it to. If you don't want it to power off, you need to edit the file /etc/init.d/halt and find out where you are clalling the power off. It may be as simple as deleting the -p flag or removing the powerdown line. You'll have to try it out, but it shouldn't be too hard to change. Or if worse comes to worse, recompile your kernel without APM. Nate Mook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
*- On 3 Feb, Jason Gunthorpe wrote about Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted. On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a little digging and found that the message is defined in the linux source in .../linux/kernel/sys.c. The message is dependent on how the system is going down. Somehow your system is triggering a POWER_OFF rather than a HALT. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of how init triggers the kernel will provide more input. I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. There might be a way to tweak it, option to shutdown or something? Jason Right. I see that in /etc/init.d/halt halt is being called with the -p option which says signal with POWER_OFF. I do not have APM in the kernel nor do I have an ATX supply so maybe the kernel ignores the POWER_OFF for me and instead signals with HALT. Where as if APM is in the kernel and/or the kernel can detect the power supply type(doubt it) then it signals with POWER_OFF. I noticed some other signals available like RESTART2, I wonder how those are triggered. I didn't see anything in the halt man page about it. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
My Alpha, which has zero APM suport either in the BIOS or in the kernel, also displays that message. As Jason said, init defaults to signalling Power Down and not Halt in Debian's current setup. So if this matters, it is just an issue of changing this behavior.
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
*- On 3 Feb, John Goerzen wrote about Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted. On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 02:26:44PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. My Alpha, which has zero APM suport either in the BIOS or in the kernel, also displays that message. Hmm, my P233 still shows 'System halted'. APM in Bios is disabled and no APM in kernel and not ATX power supply. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
Montreal Wed Feb 3 17:18:14 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *- On 3 Feb, John Goerzen wrote about Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted. On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 02:26:44PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. My Alpha, which has zero APM suport either in the BIOS or in the kernel, also displays that message. Hmm, my P233 still shows 'System halted'. APM in Bios is disabled and no APM in kernel and not ATX power supply. For the record, I have APM disabled and don't have ATX. Thanks all for the help. I now understand the change/difference and I've gathered that removing the -p should revert back to the old situation. -N.
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. Has anyone else run into this related problem? Basically i want to run server machines. That means i have them on a UPS. But there are times when the power is off even longer than the UPS can hold up the system. So, with the new ATX boxes, the power switch is off! Totally! A human has to push the button to turn it back on. Does anybody know a way to get around this new convenience? I'd like to be able to buy a new box and yet have it come back up after the power has been off. ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto! http://esperanto.org
Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted.
*- On 3 Feb, trio wrote about Re: [whine] Power down. vs System halted. On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive we now use the POWER_OFF mechanism by default as machines with APM bioses and ATX power supplies actualy do shut off. Has anyone else run into this related problem? Basically i want to run server machines. That means i have them on a UPS. But there are times when the power is off even longer than the UPS can hold up the system. So, with the new ATX boxes, the power switch is off! Totally! A human has to push the button to turn it back on. Does anybody know a way to get around this new convenience? I'd like to be able to buy a new box and yet have it come back up after the power has been off. Look in the documentation for the motherboard. Most 'soft power off' systems have a jumper that can be set on the motherboard that will disable this. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
