Re: Re: IDE for java
about ide for java When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll have to start learning it then. I know there is a java specific make too: jmake. Any experience with that one? there is another java specific make replacement, based on xml. it's called ant, a project of the apache software foundation. see http://ant.apache.org/ for more information -- Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
Take a peek at Ant from jakarta.apache.org - make functionality - written in Java - no tab/space issues of Make - makefile of make = buil.xml of Ant - that's correct. ant makefiles are written in xml Dave Carrigan wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 06:33, Benedict Verheyen wrote: When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll have to start learning it then. Sure; make is language-agnostic. For that matter, it doesn't even need to be used in conjunction with programming. I use make with LaTeX projects to generate the .dvi and .ps, and with docbook projects for the same purpose. I use make in my /etc/postfix directory to automatically regenerate the postfix maps and restart postfix if a map has changed. Any time you have one file that is the result of running a program on anothe file, it's a good candidate to automate the generation of that file with make. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
A lot of good suggestions from a lot of people. Time to improve my java program building time! -- Benedict Verheyen Linux 2.4.20 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE para java
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hola a todos Hola! Hay alguien en la lista que haya usado algún IDE (preferentemente no muy pesado) para desarrollar en java como para que me lo recomiende? Si está debianizado mejor. He probado NetBeans pero mis recursos de hardware no son suficientes. Está Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), que hasta donde yo se es software libre, muy completito y extensible mediante plugins, y es menos pesado que NetBeans... lo cual no quiere decir que sea ligero... ;-) Pero en fin, que creo que merece la pena probarlo. Y por cierto, me parece que no está debianizado :-(( muchas gracias -ejg Un saludo, Ignacio. - -- La capacidad de decidir por nosotros mismos es la única libertad que realmente tenemos... Usa esa libertad. //-Ignacio Cárdenas Díaz-// [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user #286387 -- http://counter.li.org - -- Dpto. Lenguajes y Sistemas Informáticos, UNED. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lsi.uned.es - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+MCgKkC21d1l2YQURAjBzAKDe6+Xi/qdsXYvUgEpO7cfo9WjlbQCcDI4z 0GTbwLR4sogqlWZzbsmsrf4= =WzOJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: IDE for java
On 2003.01.22 15:56 Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? At work and at home I use Xemacs/JDE/speedbar/ANT and have a great development environment. -- Darryl L. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Infobahn Offramp - http://welcome.to/mcpierce What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
On 2003.01.22 15:56 Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? There's always Xemacs/JDE/speedbar/ANT. That's what I use both at home and at work and it works fine. -- Darryl L. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Infobahn Offramp - http://welcome.to/mcpierce What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: IDE for java
Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: | Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? It's called debian. :-). I use vim as the editor, make for build management (and either javac or jikes for the compiler), ctags for convenient jumping through the source, aegis or cvs for source/configuration management and the standard Unix tools like find and ls to manage files. Unix itself is a very powerful IDE composed of a great many tools. One of the great advantages of using the system as the ide is it works independent of the programming language, and it works for plain old configuration files too. If you really want to have one big tool sitting on top of the OS (and duplicating much of the functionaity), check out eclipse (no .deb AFAIK). HTH, -D When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll have to start learning it then. I know there is a java specific make too: jmake. Any experience with that one? Benedict -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: IDE for java
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 02:33:52PM +, Benedict Verheyen wrote: | Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: | | | Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? | | It's called debian. :-). [...] | make for build management (and either javac or jikes for the | compiler), [...] | When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? Yes. Most C programs use it too, and other build processes. Make is not tied to any particular language or compiler. For C++, g++ is commonly used as the compiler, and make simply runs the compiler as necessary. Make can just as easily be used to build anything that has a source file and a shell command to obtain the output. Examples include creating PS or PDF files from a LaTeX document or creating PS or PNG representations of an xfig .fig file. In fact, I use make (or scons) to do just that. | If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll | have to start learning it then. Go ahead. Make is quite useful, though it does have its limitations. I've been working with scons quite a bit recently, and it is pretty nice. It doesn't have direct java support yet, though, but it can still be used to build anything from anything (like make). As you start learning make, read this article too : http://aegis.sourceforge.net/auug97.pdf | I know there is a java specific make too: jmake. | Any experience with that one? I haven't heard of it. I am familiar with 'ant', a build tool written in java and geared specifically for java. I think the XML-format build file is cumbersome to work with, though. -D -- He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord. Proverbs 18:22 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg25840/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IDE for java
Benedict Verheyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll have to start learning it then. make, in general, is good for describing ways of turning one sort of file into another sort of file. It happens to be very widely used for C and C++ programs, but many other languages don't have very nice properties about what files correspond to. (Even Java has issues: a single Java source file can result in multiple class files, and since there's no source-level separation of interface and implementation, you might have to simultaneously compile multiple source files with circular dependencies.) But there's absolutely nothing language-specific in make. I know there is a java specific make too: jmake. Any experience with that one? None at all; the project I'm working on at work for a long while just used jikes `find $SOURCE_ROOT -name '*.java' -print` as its build system, and this worked just fine. I will also mention, as a resource, a Java-based IDE called Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org/); I've now used it for under a day, and can report that it doesn't deal well with local CVS repositories but it does have an Emacs-like keybinding set and has some nice features like displaying the first couple of lines of a class's javadoc if you hold the mouse over a class name in the source, and fairly rapid automatic recompilation. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: IDE for java
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 06:33, Benedict Verheyen wrote: When you say make, is that the same make program most c++ programs use? If so, i didn't know one could use it with other languages. I'll have to start learning it then. Sure; make is language-agnostic. For that matter, it doesn't even need to be used in conjunction with programming. I use make with LaTeX projects to generate the .dvi and .ps, and with docbook projects for the same purpose. I use make in my /etc/postfix directory to automatically regenerate the postfix maps and restart postfix if a map has changed. Any time you have one file that is the result of running a program on anothe file, it's a good candidate to automate the generation of that file with make. -- Dave Carrigan Seattle, WA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.rudedog.org/ | ICQ:161669680 UNIX-Apache-Perl-Linux-Firewalls-LDAP-C-C++-DNS-PalmOS-PostgreSQL-MySQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
check out jde (now called jdee b/c of copyright reasons) in devel. it's an emacs add-on, so if you don't like/use emacs ... well ... g On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: Hi all Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? I'm using woody 3.0r1 TIA and sorry for my english -ejg -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
Eduardo Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? I tend to be perfectly happy with Emacs (and in particular I generally use XEmacs 21). What features do you want out of it? -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
On Wed Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, the boisterous Eduardo Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to me: Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? deb http://people.debian.org/~tora/deb ./ Eclipse is the choice... so long Thomas -- ___Obviously we do not want to leave zombies around. _/___\ - W. Richard Stevens ( ^Thomas Krennwallner djmaecki at ull dot at / \ 1024D/67A1DA7B 9484 D99D 2E1E 4E02 5446 DAD9 FF58 4E59 67A1 DA7B (__\/_)_ http://www.ull.at/~djmaecki/ msg25575/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IDE for java
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: | Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? It's called debian. :-). I use vim as the editor, make for build management (and either javac or jikes for the compiler), ctags for convenient jumping through the source, aegis or cvs for source/configuration management and the standard Unix tools like find and ls to manage files. Unix itself is a very powerful IDE composed of a great many tools. One of the great advantages of using the system as the ide is it works independent of the programming language, and it works for plain old configuration files too. If you really want to have one big tool sitting on top of the OS (and duplicating much of the functionaity), check out eclipse (no .deb AFAIK). HTH, -D -- He who scorns instruction will pay for it, but he who respects a command is rewarded. Proverbs 13:13 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg25580/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IDE for java
Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? http://people.debian.org/~erich/packagebrowser/devel-editors.html has a nice listing of IDE's for Debian. Specific Java IDEs it lists are: motor and vide. Both have versions in stable/unstable/testing. Hope this helps. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
www.netbeans.org not in a .deb and very easy to install Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: | Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? It's called debian. :-). I use vim as the editor, make for build management (and either javac or jikes for the compiler), ctags for convenient jumping through the source, aegis or cvs for source/configuration management and the standard Unix tools like find and ls to manage files. Unix itself is a very powerful IDE composed of a great many tools. One of the great advantages of using the system as the ide is it works independent of the programming language, and it works for plain old configuration files too. If you really want to have one big tool sitting on top of the OS (and duplicating much of the functionaity), check out eclipse (no .deb AFAIK). HTH, -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:51, Hanasaki JiJi banged a keyboard: Idea rocks for java dev http://www.intellij.com/idea/ cheers pvdm www.netbeans.org not in a .deb and very easy to install Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: | Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? It's called debian. :-). I use vim as the editor, make for build management (and either javac or jikes for the compiler), ctags for convenient jumping through the source, aegis or cvs for source/configuration management and the standard Unix tools like find and ls to manage files. Unix itself is a very powerful IDE composed of a great many tools. One of the great advantages of using the system as the ide is it works independent of the programming language, and it works for plain old configuration files too. If you really want to have one big tool sitting on top of the OS (and duplicating much of the functionaity), check out eclipse (no .deb AFAIK). HTH, -D -- -- For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest. or -- Sono kaeru o nameru na. Genkaku o okosaseru. Do not lick that Frog. It is hallucinogenic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: Hi all Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? I'm using woody 3.0r1 TIA and sorry for my english -ejg There are a number of choices, but the best IDEs are not in Debian: - There is a free (personal/evaluation) version of Borland's JBuilder, but it lacks many of the features of the professional/standard version. Not in Debian of course, and you will have to register yourself on their website. Comes with its own JDK I believe. http://www.borland.com - NetBeans is a very good IDE with support for almost anything. It even comes with a JSP/Servlet container (Apache Tomcat 4), so you can start programming JSPs right away. Easy to set up, too. Probably the best Java IDE as of now. http://www.netbeans.org - Eclipse is a promising new IDE, with lots of cool features. However, it is not yet as complete as NetBeans (for example, it has no visual forms designer). JSP support is available through plugins, but is not as well- integrated as in NetBeans. http://www.eclipse.org For all of these, you will need a fairly recent JDK. I believe Blackdown (http://www.blackdown.org) has a set of 1.4pre deb's. Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for JAVA
try http://www.netbeans.com it's free for non commercial use (if I remember) you have one to jdk1.1 and 1.2. there is a rpm archive
RE: IDE for JAVA
I've been testing out a couple of JAVA and JAVA/C++ IDEs lately, So far I have Tried Elixir IDE, Simplicity IDE and Wipeout. I have downloaded NetBeans but it's was the .pl auto installer and I have got that to compile yet. Of the three Simplicity is the coolest. It like Visual C++ by M$, it writes code and all the cool stuff, but it cost $150. You can download it for free and test it out, it just doesn't save anything. It's worth the $150, but I have broken down and bought my first Commercial Linux App. I'm using ElixirIDE the most, Totally JAVA. It generates some code like the main and class statements and some comments, but nothing fancy. It for hardcore programmers that like to get down into the code. I only been using it a week, so It may generate more code but I have found all the tricks yet. I like it the best. Wipeout looks cool. I can't figure out how you compile programs using it, but it was free and easy to install. All of these were .tars or .zip no .debs, but I see someone says a rpm exists of netbeans, I have to check that out. Links to all these are a JAVA-Linux http://www.blackdown.org/ . Check it out! Rod -Original Message- From: Brant Wells [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:39 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: IDE for JAVA Howdy All :) Is there anyone that knows of a good Java Programming Environment for Linux?? TIA, Brant -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: ide for java?
hi is there any Java IDE interface to Linux? warnning: I'm loocking for an IDE diferent as JAVA WORKSHOP. You might try Vibe from Visix (www.visix.com). I've never tried it, but it is available for Linux. There is also the FreeBuilder project: http://www.techno-link.com/clients/ivo/FreeBuilder But it's early on in development, and not all that useable yet (I think). Some people might consider emacs an IDE, but it's probably not what you want. If you plan on doing Java development inside an IDE, there is a much better selection available on Windows 95/NT. Big players like Microsoft, Borland and Symantec are content to ignore Linux. Java hasn't really lived up to the cross-platform hype as far as IDE's are concerned. Cheers, - Jim pgpJNcc73zDQ5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ide for java?
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:28:37 -0700, Jim Pick wrote: hi is there any Java IDE interface to Linux? warnning: I'm loocking for an IDE diferent as JAVA WORKSHOP. You might try Vibe from Visix (www.visix.com). I've never tried it, but it is available for Linux. There is also the FreeBuilder project: http://www.techno-link.com/clients/ivo/FreeBuilder But it's early on in development, and not all that useable yet (I think). Some people might consider emacs an IDE, but it's probably not what you want. If you plan on doing Java development inside an IDE, there is a much better selection available on Windows 95/NT. Big players like Microsoft, Borland and Symantec are content to ignore Linux. Java hasn't really lived up to the cross-platform hype as far as IDE's are concerned. I've seen some nice one's (including GUI builders) but nothing (when I tried it) that was really complete. Gamelan has loads of stuff: http://java.developer.com/ I remember this one as being really nice, but not quite 'done'. (But that was months ago) http://www.xelfi.cz/ - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
