Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Look at the Linux Documentation Project, in particular `The Linux
Users' Guide' and `Installation and Getting Started Guide'

(http://research.iphil.net/LDP/mirrors.html for a list of mirrors)

 1) How do I move from one partitioned drive to another? How do I know the
 drive letters to use too?

There are no letters.  The partitions are `mounted' at various
directory mount points configured in /etc/fstab

 2) How do I copy files from my floppy drive to my partitioned debian drive?

This would mount it under directory /mnt:

$ su 
enter root passwd
# mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt

You can also include it on /etc/fstab like so:

/dev/fd0/A  vfatuser,noauto

and then any user can mount it.  Not I used `vfat' here instead
of type msdos, but that only works if compiled into the kernel.

   tried
 to access 'man man' to read the manual (but get an error can't open the
 manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config),

Looks like it's not properly installed.  Find the `man-db' package
and install it (dpkg -i man-db*)

Peter


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-11 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 AB == André Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

AB Since I just installed linux a few days ago from my debian 2.1 cd
AB there

This should also be your primary choice for software for now. You will 
also find mtools there. There might be newer versions of the packages
out there, but you don't need the newest version, with new
bugs^Wfeatures. STick with the solid and tested versions on your CD.

There is more then enough software on these CDs.

The current Debian developement tree counts 
$ grep Package: /var/lib/dpkg/available | wc --lines
   3288
packages. There are less in Debian 2.1, but more than enough anyway.

AB will be a slight learning curve during this week.  One way or
AB another I'll know linux well enough in less than a week that I can
AB teach others how to install, navigate, and change the setup of
AB their linux... I know computers I just don't know linux's command
AB structure and syntax, yet.

AB Once i start navigating I'm gonna take my linux apart kernel by
AB kernel and see what makes it tick.  Then I'll no longer be
AB clueless.

Well, Usually, there is just one kernel running, so you better learn
the applications and take them appart instead :-)

What I did when I installed Debian, was to browse through /etc and
peek at the configfiles there. They are commented most of the time,
and they will give you a clue about the system. (I'd install the mc
package that will give you mc, a Norton Commander clone, for easy
handling).

Also take a look at the Getting Started book on the Linux
Documentation Project website.

And as you come from the DOS/WIndows world, look at
/usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO*

Regarding connecting your PCs: I would by two NICs and build a small
LAN. Much faster and easy to handle. You could install a ftp server on
the Linux box and upload from the windows box. Or you could install
samba on the Linux box, so that it will apear in network neighborhood
on the windows box.

Ciao,
Martin


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-10 Thread Peter Makholm
William R Pentney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If you don't want to mount the drive for the entire session, you could
 also just try the following:

I shoul proof read my articles before sending them.

My /etc/fstab have almost the following lines:

/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 noauto,user 0 0
/dev/fd0/floppy vfatnoauto,user 0 0

[I do have some more options and this is written completly off my
memory]

Then neither the floppy or cdrom is mounted atomatic and any user can
do it.

 The drawback of this is that you must be root to write the floppy.

Add the users to the floppy group. Append them to the line in
/etc/groups beginning with floppy.

-- 
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den eneste modererede gruppe i dk.*, so there.
- citat RockBear


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-10 Thread Peter Makholm
André Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yes, I'm clueless about linux basics.  I'm three days into my installation

We have all been there.

 I must have installed something incorrectly because  'man fstab' says:
  can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config

Yuck, I keep forgetting tha manuals is not a default debian feature. I
hate this distribution.

(No I don't)

-- 
Peter er den mindst gamle af de gammeldags usenettere, og moderator på
den eneste modererede gruppe i dk.*, so there.
- citat RockBear


8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread André Bell
I just installed debian about three days ago and have several questions
about navigating within debian and about accessing devices. If you can help
me with one or more of these questions it would be greatly appreciated as I
am growing a bit frustrated with not knowing what I am doing :)

1) How do I move from one partitioned drive to another? How do I know the
drive letters to use too?

2) How do I copy files from my floppy drive to my partitioned debian drive?

3) Why does debian say 'only the root can do that' when I type the line below:
  $ mount /dev/fd0 (or any other floppy drive)
 I can't cd /dev/fd0 nor can I figure out how to access it.

4) How can i get a network connection or simulated network connection
between my win95 pc  debin pc via serial or via their modems? Windows
allows direct connect with other windows pc, what can I use with debian?

5) How determine hardware which is functioning properly and how determine
which kernels need to be removed or changed? I know with windows I had
device manager and msd.exe.  What do I have with debian?

6) How change kernels once I know the above? I'd like to remove the devices
that I installed to the kernels during inital installation of debian but
don't actually have in my system yet. I also want to add a new serial card
since I never set one up when I installed debian. The new serial card is
now in the pc. I don't know how to do this after the fact.  I type
'setserial' and a bunch of stuff scrolls by that doesn't make sense to me yet.

7) Why can't I access my floppy after booting from it?  I have /floppy on
my system. I can see it by cd / and then typing ls. When I cd to /floppy
and then try to write to it I get 'permission denied'. I read from it
without error messages, it appears to be an empty directory.  I can't
access either of my physical floppy drives attached to my system when I
read from it with ls commands and /dev/fd(x).

8) Do I have to regularly compile my own linux software?  Aren't binaries
available like with dos and windows? So much linux software on 
the net that I've seen isn't in binary format, it's rpm or plain source 
format.  Is this standard for linux software? Can I use these with debian 2.1?

* I hope you don't think I just posted without looking for the answers
online. I've visited over 500 sites online, I've downloaded 40+ apps but
can't use them because they are stuck on my win95 system or floppies, tried
to access 'man man' to read the manual (but get an error can't open the
manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config), I've read the help menu
by typing 'help' and then hitting CONTROL-Z to stop it from scrolling off
the screen and then type each command to see if I can figure out what they
do, and still haven't found the answers to my questions.  

I hope you can help.  Thanks in advance!

Andre
p.s. I've already downloaded mtools but since I can't copy the mtools files
from the floppy to my partitioned debian drive, I'm stuck!!!

My debian pc seems to be up and running just fine, I just can't do this or
any other commands to the floppy:  
  $ ls -a /dev/fp0 

The floppy disk drive light doesn't even light up on when entering
commands. This indicates that maybe the drive is not mounted properly in my
linux system (I'm guessing), though I boot into my linux system from floppy
just fine.  :(

 
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Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread Peter Makholm
André Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 1) How do I move from one partitioned drive to another? How do I know the
 drive letters to use too?

There is no such thing as drive letters.

Partitions ar mounted around in the directory structure and you move
around just like on any other directory.

 2) How do I copy files from my floppy drive to my partitioned debian drive?

Either you mount it (on /floppy) or uses mcopy from the mtools
package.


 3) Why does debian say 'only the root can do that' when I type the line below:
   $ mount /dev/fd0 (or any other floppy drive)
  I can't cd /dev/fd0 nor can I figure out how to access it.

Because only root may mount devices as default.

Edit you /etc/fstab and put auto as an option in the line mentioning
/dev/fd0.

Please read man fstab first.

 5) How determine hardware which is functioning properly and how determine
 which kernels need to be removed or changed? I know with windows I had
 device manager and msd.exe.  What do I have with debian?

Use the hardware. If it works - it works.

You probally can get som information out of /proc/devices and such
files.


 6) How change kernels once I know the above? I'd like to remove the devices

Install kernel-package and a kernel-source and read the documentation
for kernel-package.

 7) Why can't I access my floppy after booting from it?  I have /floppy on

You havn't mounted you floppy.

#mount /dev/fd0 /floppy

as root should do it. But read man fstab it make it possible to
mount the floppy as non-root.

 8) Do I have to regularly compile my own linux software?  Aren't binaries

No. Almost any software you ever need exist as debian packages on
www.debian.org.

If you really really really need something that aint packaged for
debian please say so. Probally others needs it as well.


 p.s. I've already downloaded mtools but since I can't copy the mtools files
 from the floppy to my partitioned debian drive, I'm stuck!!!

How did you install debian?

Are you sure you didn't allready have mtools installed?


Read some book about unix. I'm very sorry but you seem rather clueless
on some fundemental stuff and then its hard to help.

-- 
Peter er den mindst gamle af de gammeldags usenettere, og moderator på
den eneste modererede gruppe i dk.*, so there.
- citat RockBear


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread William R Pentney
On 8 May 1999, Peter Makholm wrote:
  3) Why does debian say 'only the root can do that' when I type the line 
  below:
$ mount /dev/fd0 (or any other floppy drive)
   I can't cd /dev/fd0 nor can I figure out how to access it.
 
 Because only root may mount devices as default.
 
 Edit you /etc/fstab and put auto as an option in the line mentioning
 /dev/fd0.
 
 Please read man fstab first.

If you don't want to mount the drive for the entire session, you could
also just try the following:

su  (enter password when prompted)
mount /dev/fd0 /floppy   (replace /floppy with whatever directory u want)
exit

Or you could enter just sudo mount /dev/fd0 /floppy if you use sudo.

The drawback of this is that you must be root to write the floppy.

 No. Almost any software you ever need exist as debian packages on
 www.debian.org.
 
 If you really really really need something that aint packaged for
 debian please say so. Probally others needs it as well.

U ... not true. I've come across a lot of software I'd like that isn't
in .deb packages anywhere - or the packages are poorly maintained, like
the KDE ones. Am I just not looking hard enough?

- Bill



Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread André Bell
Peter Makholm wrote:
There is no such thing as drive letters.

Partitions are mounted around in the directory structure and you move
around just like on any other directory.

Either you mount it (on /floppy) or uses mcopy from the mtools
package.

Read some book about unix. I'm very sorry but you seem rather clueless
on some fundemental stuff and then its hard to help.

Yes, I'm clueless about linux basics.  I'm three days into my installation
of linux and have never seen it nor any unix operating system before now.
I've been using pc's since they came out (70's onward). The funny thing is,
I'm a pc tech support person working for a multi-billion fortune 200
company and I assumed that linux would work as many other computer systems
work, i.e. with drive assignments. (Cocky Translation: 'If it's on a pc I
can figure it out'. I've been humbled...)

I know dos and windows and thousands of applications extremely well. I
don't know linux other than what shows up when I type 'help' and what i've
gleaned by perusing the linux newsgroups and linux web pages. Lots of stuff
there that doesn't apply to navigating or altering kernels.

Since I just installed linux a few days ago from my debian 2.1 cd there
will be a slight learning curve during this week.  One way or another I'll
know linux well enough in less than a week that I can teach others how to
install, navigate, and change the setup of their linux... I know computers
I just don't know linux's command structure and syntax, yet.  Once i start
navigating I'm gonna take my linux apart kernel by kernel and see what
makes it tick.  Then I'll no longer be clueless.

For now I can only associate what I know of other operating systems with
linux. I've read a ton of sites, and none that I've come across so far are
written well enough to go from install to expert.  They waste a lot of
words and tell very little about navigating about linux and very little
about controlling linux kernels. They all assume that since I already
installed linux I must know how to use linux. I think I just got lucky
installing debian -- others say it's a challenging installation and it's
running on my pc... sort of  :) 

Like most pc instructions, the sites I've come across so far seem written
for those who already know what to do with the information.  One of my
'favorite' sites explained how to copy from a floppy.  It 'said' copy some
files from a floppy but didn't tell 'how'.  They also said to copy mtools
to your partitioned drive and then run mtools commands from there using
drive assignments like a:, c:, etc.  The assumption was that I already knew
how to copy the files to the drive using Linux.  Now if I knew that I
wouldn't have searched for [+linux +how to copy files from a floppy]   :)

Anyhow, that's why I asked for help here (btw thanks for your detailed
help. I figured I'd be lucky to get a reply to just one of my questions,
you gave an answer to looks like each question I asked). Now I'm going to
try to play with linux and see if I can get it to recognize my floppy and
allow me to copy files to the system so I can run lots more stuff...

Edit you /etc/fstab and put auto as an option in the line mentioning
/dev/fd0.

Please read man fstab first.

I must have installed something incorrectly because  'man fstab' says:
 can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config

When I cd /etc and then type ls manpath.*, it shows manpath.config.dpkg-new
I'm guessing this means the installation was interrupted or is this the
same as  manpath.config just with extra extensions?

Thanks very much for your help!!!

Andre'
... headed back to http://www.debian.org

Read a book? Is that a text file or pdf? 


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread Oliver Elphick
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Bell wrote:
  I just installed debian about three days ago and have several questions
  about navigating within debian and about accessing devices. If you can help
  me with one or more of these questions it would be greatly appreciated as I
  am growing a bit frustrated with not knowing what I am doing :)
  
Some documentation you will probably find very helpful is the Debian Tutorial
at http://www.debian.org/~hp/debian-tutorial.html.

You should also install one of the doc-linux packages and read the HOWTOs.

  1) How do I move from one partitioned drive to another? How do I know the
  drive letters to use too?
  
The first (boot) device is /.  Any other devices are mounted on directories
under /, so that they all make a seamless whole.

For example:

/mnt is normally an empty directory.  When you mount another device on it,
it suddenly contains all the tree in the filesystem of that device.  As a
user, you don't need to know that it is on a different device.

  2) How do I copy files from my floppy drive to my partitioned debian drive?
  
That very much depends on how the floppy is formatted.  I would guess that
you have a W95 formatted floppy, so:

# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy

Now the directory tree on the floppy is under /floppy.

If the mtools package is installed, you can instead say:

# mdir a:
# mcopy a:* ...
and so on.

  3) Why does debian say 'only the root can do that' when I type the line belo
  w:
$ mount /dev/fd0 (or any other floppy drive)
  
Remember that Linux is a multi-user system.  Therefore disk-mounting is
one of the operations reserved to the administrator, so that other users
don't get the rug pulled out from under them without notice.

   I can't cd /dev/fd0 nor can I figure out how to access it.

/dev/fd0 is a device node, not a directory -
$ ls -l /dev/fd0
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,   0 Oct 22  1998 /dev/fd0

b or c as the first letter says the entry is a device; directories have
d there and ordinary files have -.  You can treat a device as a file, but you 
had better not try to write to it! (you would destroy any data on the device)

  4) How can i get a network connection or simulated network connection
  between my win95 pc  debin pc via serial or via their modems? Windows
  allows direct connect with other windows pc, what can I use with debian?
  
Look at the Serial HOWTO; you can probably connect the serial ports and
start a telnet session from W95.  You would have to have a getty running
on your serial port (getty is a program that waits for someone to try
to connect and sets up the session).

  5) How determine hardware which is functioning properly and how determine
  which kernels need to be removed or changed? I know with windows I had
  device manager and msd.exe.  What do I have with debian?
  
/proc is a pseudo-filesystem that contains information about the running
kernel.  /proc/interrupts, /proc/ioports, /proc/pci and /proc/scsi are
`files' that may prove useful.

If your hardware is working, leave your kernel alone until you have learnt
a bit more.

  6) How change kernels once I know the above? I'd like to remove the devices
  that I installed to the kernels during inital installation of debian but
  don't actually have in my system yet. I also want to add a new serial card
  since I never set one up when I installed debian. The new serial card is
  now in the pc. I don't know how to do this after the fact.  I type
  'setserial' and a bunch of stuff scrolls by that doesn't make sense to me ye
  t.
  
To understand what you are seeing, start with `man setserial', which should
print an explanation of that command.

  7) Why can't I access my floppy after booting from it?  I have /floppy on
  my system. I can see it by cd / and then typing ls. When I cd to /floppy
  and then try to write to it I get 'permission denied'. I read from it
  without error messages, it appears to be an empty directory.  I can't
  access either of my physical floppy drives attached to my system when I
  read from it with ls commands and /dev/fd(x).
  
By default, you have read access only (except when you are logged in as root).
To change that, you need to add your own user name to the floppy group by
editing /etc/group (you must do that as root).  In /etc/group you will see
a line that says

floppy:*:25:

Add your username immediately after the last colon (no spaces):

floppy:*:25:olly,dan

extra usernames are separated by commas, as you can see.

Log off and log in again; you should now have write access to the floppy drive.
(But DON'T write directly to /dev/fd0!)

  8) Do I have to regularly compile my own linux software?  Aren't binaries
  available like with dos and windows? So much linux software on 
  the net that I've seen isn't in binary format, it's rpm or plain source 
  format.  Is this standard for linux software? Can I use these with debian 2.
  1?
  
.rpm files contain compiled code, for Red Hat Linux.  Debian 

Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread William R Pentney
 Yes, I'm clueless about linux basics.  I'm three days into my installation
 of linux and have never seen it nor any unix operating system before now.
 I've been using pc's since they came out (70's onward). The funny thing is,
 I'm a pc tech support person working for a multi-billion fortune 200
 company and I assumed that linux would work as many other computer systems
 work, i.e. with drive assignments. (Cocky Translation: 'If it's on a pc I
 can figure it out'. I've been humbled...)

Don't freak out or give up. It's not so bad once you get used to it. I
recommend picking up a guide to UNIX for DOS users (there are many of them
out there; UNIX in Plain English is an example of one book which helps
the DOS-to-UNIX transition.) Check out www.linux-howto.com as well. And
buy O'Reilly's Linux in a Nutshell; you will find it to be very useful
in time. (There's nothing in it that isn't in the manpages, but it's nice
to have paper docs sometimes.)

 I know dos and windows and thousands of applications extremely well. I
 don't know linux other than what shows up when I type 'help' and what i've
 gleaned by perusing the linux newsgroups and linux web pages. Lots of stuff
 there that doesn't apply to navigating or altering kernels.

You're familiar with the man command, I hope. If not, type man man in
Linux. You will find man to be your best friend when you start out. And
man -k keyword can be used to search the online manual for any keywords.

 For now I can only associate what I know of other operating systems with
 linux. I've read a ton of sites, and none that I've come across so far are
 written well enough to go from install to expert.  They waste a lot of
 words and tell very little about navigating about linux and very little
 about controlling linux kernels. They all assume that since I already
 installed linux I must know how to use linux. I think I just got lucky
 installing debian -- others say it's a challenging installation and it's
 running on my pc... sort of  :) 

Yes, Linux needs better documentation, and Debian is tougher to install
than Red Hat or the other common distros. Pick up a good UNIX-to-DOS book,
as mentioned, and it should get you started.

- Bill


Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread André Bell
 If you really really really need something that aint packaged for
 debian please say so. Probally others needs it as well.

U ... not true. I've come across a lot of software I'd like that isn't
in .deb packages anywhere - or the packages are poorly maintained, like
the KDE ones. Am I just not looking hard enough?


Thanks Bill for the perspective. Since I don't know much about RPM's and
the like that after the last comment I thought maybe I'm gonna be stuck
with the ability only to use apps found at www.debian.org  I'm glad that's
not the case because that would defeat the purpose of opensource software.

Maybe he meant that the files found to be most reliable and require least
compiling with debian are found at debian.org

Thanks again.

Andre'



Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread Andrei Ivanov
 
 Yes, I'm clueless about linux basics.  I'm three days into my installation
 of linux and have never seen it nor any unix operating system before now.
 I've been using pc's since they came out (70's onward). The funny thing is,
 I'm a pc tech support person working for a multi-billion fortune 200
 company and I assumed that linux would work as many other computer systems
 work, i.e. with drive assignments. (Cocky Translation: 'If it's on a pc I
 can figure it out'. I've been humbled...)

You gotta start somewhere, I suppose.

 I know dos and windows and thousands of applications extremely well. I
 don't know linux other than what shows up when I type 'help' and what i've
 gleaned by perusing the linux newsgroups and linux web pages. Lots of stuff
 there that doesn't apply to navigating or altering kernels.

Ok. If you really want to take a try at compiling your kernel, now that
you are only 3 days into installsure. Here is how you do it:
Note that you have to be root for everything down here:
1. Install kernel-source package (you might need to install as86 package).
2. It is usually put in directory like /usr/src/kernel-? (Not sure hwo
it is in slink, but it's that way in hamm).
3. Go into the directory and type: 'make menuconfig' for shell config
menu, or 'make xconfig' for GUI config tool.
4. I prefer GUI one, just because it's easier to use it. So then you see
what your kernel currently has. But I think you havent installed X yet.
Correction: you talk about kernels, as in plural..there is only one kernel
working at any time.
5. Once you have configured it, you can start compilation by doing these:
make dep
make clean (you can omit this)
make zImage or make bzImage. The first one is uncompressed kernel. Reason
why you want a compressed kernel, is because programs like LILO (LInux
LOader) have limit on kernel size. I think it's around 750K. So if you use
a lot of options, use bzImage.
6. Once it compiled, mv to dir /arch/i386 and get the kernel from there.
Put it into boot, fix the symlink if necesary, and reboot.
If you are running LILO, you need to rerun it before rebooting.

Btw.doesnt your computer have a modem?

 
 Since I just installed linux a few days ago from my debian 2.1 cd there
 will be a slight learning curve during this week.  One way or another I'll
 know linux well enough in less than a week that I can teach others how to
 install, navigate, and change the setup of their linux... I know computers
 I just don't know linux's command structure and syntax, yet.  Once i start
 navigating I'm gonna take my linux apart kernel by kernel and see what
 makes it tick.  Then I'll no longer be clueless.

One week, uh? Good luck.
ANyway.get a book on Unix/Linux and read it through.
Before you get really good with Linux, I suspect you might need to learn
some bash scripting, or whatever shell you useit just makes your life
easier.
Andrew



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Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread Wayne Topa

Subject: Re: 8 Newbie Questions
Date: Sat, May 08, 1999 at 09:04:27AM -0500

In reply to:André Bell

Quoting André Bell([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Peter Makholm wrote:
 There is no such thing as drive letters.
 
 Partitions are mounted around in the directory structure and you move
 around just like on any other directory.
 
 Either you mount it (on /floppy) or uses mcopy from the mtools
 package.
 
 Read some book about unix. I'm very sorry but you seem rather clueless
 on some fundemental stuff and then its hard to help.
 
 Yes, I'm clueless about linux basics.  I'm three days into my installation
 of linux and have never seen it nor any unix operating system before now.
 I've been using pc's since they came out (70's onward). The funny thing is,

Ahh, so you might rember CP/M ?

 I'm a pc tech support person working for a multi-billion fortune 200
 company and I assumed that linux would work as many other computer systems
 work, i.e. with drive assignments. (Cocky Translation: 'If it's on a pc I
 can figure it out'. I've been humbled...)
 
[snip ]
 
 Edit you /etc/fstab and put auto as an option in the line mentioning
 /dev/fd0.
 
 Please read man fstab first.
 
 I must have installed something incorrectly because  'man fstab' says:
  can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
 
The basis install doesn't include some rather necessary packages.  Get
the man-db and manpages packages.  Those will take care of the basics.
If you are going into this deeper also load the manpages-dev package.

do 
ls  /usr/doc/HOWTO/*(thats like C:dir \windows\startup )

You will file a lot of files that that have a lot of what you are/will
be looking for.

 When I cd /etc and then type ls manpath.*, it shows manpath.config.dpkg-new
 I'm guessing this means the installation was interrupted or is this the
 same as  manpath.config just with extra extensions?
 
try less /etc/manpath.config( like more c:\windows\help )

 Thanks very much for your help!!!
 
 Andre'
 ... headed back to http://www.debian.org
 
 Read a book? Is that a text file or pdf? 
 
  uhh, yes  :-) 

HTH

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Re: 8 Newbie Questions

1999-05-08 Thread Kent West
André Bell wrote:
 
 I just installed debian about three days ago and have several questions
 about navigating within debian and about accessing devices. If you can help
 me with one or more of these questions it would be greatly appreciated as I
 am growing a bit frustrated with not knowing what I am doing :)

Welcome to the wonderful but extremely frustration-prone world of
Linux.
 
 1) How do I move from one partitioned drive to another? How do I know the
 drive letters to use too?

Drive letters are a DOS/Windows concept. In *NIX, each
partition/drive is mounted onto a directory name. For example,
if you've got two physical drives that DOS would refer to as C:
and D:, your Linux system might have them mounted on / (the
root directory) and /my_other_drive respectively. Or they may
be mounted on / and /mount/d, etc. Then to list the files on
Drive D:, you'd just type ls /mount/d. Or you could cd
/mount/d to change to that drive/directory. The mounting process
is usually done by the system during boot-up, or by the system
administrator (known as root or sometimes referred to as the
SuperUser, which I believe is where the su command gets its
name, which allows you to temporarily become root).

In the Windows world, you log into Win95/NT and you remain that
user for the duration of the session. With Linux, if you know the
root password, you can temporarily become the SuperUser with the
su command; then exit back to your normal account privileges.

In the Windows world, Windows expects only one person to use the
computer; in recent years, Microsoft has mangled the system even
further trying to make it appear to be a multi-user system, but
at its heart, it is a single-user system. Linux on the other
hand, is a multi-user system at heart (although it works just
fine if only one person ever logs in). The ability to do things
on a Linux system is controlled by privileges assigned to the
user account by the root user. For example, normally, normal
users can not mount a floppy drive; only root can.
 
 2) How do I copy files from my floppy drive to my partitioned debian drive?

I'm relatively new to Linux (9 months or so), and I never have
need to use the floppy, so don't take my word for it, but I
believe you need to su to the root account and then mount the
floppy with the command mount /dev/fd0 /floppy. This assumes
that a directory named /floppy exists on your system. If not,
just create it with mkdir /floppy (as root). You could also use
any other name you want instead of floppy, and it doesn't have
to be on the root. For example, you could use mount /dev/fd0
/mount/little-plastic-cased-data-storage-device (unless the name
is too long or something; I've never tried this). 

(BTW, a neat trick you'll learn to love is command completion (NT
offers this with a registry hack). For example, suppose you
wanted to change to the above mentioned directory; you could
simply type cd /mount/littl and then press the TAB key and the
rest of the directory name would fill in for you automatically.)

 3) Why does debian say 'only the root can do that' when I type the line below:
   $ mount /dev/fd0 (or any other floppy drive)
  I can't cd /dev/fd0 nor can I figure out how to access it.

See answers above.
 
 4) How can i get a network connection or simulated network connection
 between my win95 pc  debin pc via serial or via their modems? Windows
 allows direct connect with other windows pc, what can I use with debian?

I know you can do a direct link, but I've never done it, so can't
give you any help. You can also use modems, but I've only used
modems to dial into an ISP, not directly between two boxes.
 
 5) How determine hardware which is functioning properly and how determine
 which kernels need to be removed or changed? I know with windows I had
 device manager and msd.exe.  What do I have with debian?

Again, I have to defer to the more experienced Linux users here.
 
 6) How change kernels once I know the above? I'd like to remove the devices
 that I installed to the kernels during inital installation of debian but
 don't actually have in my system yet. I also want to add a new serial card
 since I never set one up when I installed debian. The new serial card is
 now in the pc. I don't know how to do this after the fact.  I type
 'setserial' and a bunch of stuff scrolls by that doesn't make sense to me yet.

Again, I have to defer to the more experienced Linux users here.
 
 7) Why can't I access my floppy after booting from it?  I have /floppy on
 my system. I can see it by cd / and then typing ls. When I cd to /floppy
 and then try to write to it I get 'permission denied'. I read from it
 without error messages, it appears to be an empty directory.  I can't
 access either of my physical floppy drives attached to my system when I
 read from it with ls commands and /dev/fd(x).

The /floppy directory was probably created by the install
routine; however, until the floppy drive is actually mounted to
that directory, it's 

Thanks to You All! (Re: 8 Newbie Questions)

1999-05-08 Thread André Bell
Thanks all for the help.  Seems after reading all the suggestions and
linux/debian commands you posted I found that not all of the packages
installed the first time through (some of the subdirectories are empty and
files are missing elsewhere). My paths weren't correct either.

I'm now running dselect and having it install the uninstalled packages and
will go from there to copy my files from floppies, navigate within the
separate partitions to create the subdirectories and programs I want, and
connect my win95 system to my linux system so I can transfer files easily
and play multiplayer games against the kids... er test my perl scripts
remotely prior to uploading to my domain. =^)

After reinstalling the uninstalled packages and getting everything running
I'll post the results.

Thanks again for all the help!

Andre'



Thanks to You All! (Re: 8 Newbie Questions)

1999-05-08 Thread André Bell
Thanks all for the help.  Seems after reading all the suggestions and
linux/debian commands you posted I found that not all of the packages
installed the first time through (some of the subdirectories are empty and
files are missing elsewhere). My paths weren't correct either.

I'm now running dselect and having it install the uninstalled packages and
will go from there to copy my files from floppies, navigate within the
separate partitions to create the subdirectories and programs I want, and
connect my win95 system to my linux system so I can transfer files easily
and play multiplayer games against the kids... er test my perl scripts
remotely prior to uploading to my domain. =^)

After reinstalling the uninstalled packages and getting everything running
I'll post the results.

Thanks again for all the help!

Andre'