Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work well..I have it installed...due to problems with firewall issues and DHCP I can't seem to get mail working but... I downloaded pine as a binary for hamm I saw the deb of hamm in hamm/non-free/binary-i386/mail -Steve There may have been a pine binary .deb for hamm before people got the license figured out. The fact is, the University of Washington forbids distributing modified binary versions of pine. (There was a binary .deb in bo because the license isn't perfectly clear that that's forbidden, but if you look for it, it's there) Yes, this is highly annoying. Yes, many people have tried to get them to change it, with no success. I know many people annoyed at pine's non-freeness have chosen to go with mutt - you may want to look at that. Is there some 'mutt for pine users' documentation available somewhere? In particular, I very much like the 'search for new mail in all incoming mail folders' function of the TAB key in pine. Does mutt have something similar? Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt (was Re: A few things about Debian Hamm)
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:57:32PM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: Is there some 'mutt for pine users' documentation available somewhere? Not that I'm aware of. There's a Pine.rc in /usr/doc/mutt*/examples that gives you Pine-like keybindings though. In particular, I very much like the 'search for new mail in all incoming mail folders' function of the TAB key in pine. Does mutt have something similar? Yes. Check out 3.10. Defining mailboxes which receive mail in /usr/doc/mutt*/manual.txt.gz . HTH, Ray -- PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would have the decency to betray his country. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt (was Re: A few things about Debian Hamm)
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:58:48PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there some 'mutt for pine users' documentation available somewhere? Not that I'm aware of. There's a Pine.rc in /usr/doc/mutt*/examples that gives you Pine-like keybindings though. That's not enough. What I did was take the sample .muttrc and insert the contents of pine.rc in to it. There's one line you'll have to comment from pine.rc, but otherwise it works. I had much else to do with it. If you'd like, I can send you my .muttrc which is a little weird but you'll get used to it fast if you're a pine user. In particular, I very much like the 'search for new mail in all incoming mail folders' function of the TAB key in pine. Does mutt have something similar? Yes. Check out 3.10. Defining mailboxes which receive mail in /usr/doc/mutt*/manual.txt.gz . I can't say this works AT ALL like pine. I can use it, but it's still not as clean as pine's was. pgpJB1qelG9Lb.pgp Description: PGP signature
A few things about Debian Hamm
Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? Another thing - is there any plans for debianizing the enlightenment window manager? Thanks alot, chris BTW. I noticed that the rescue target doesn't work on the new rescue disk, nor does the base installation install any kernel modules... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris wrote: Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? pine is distributed in source-only form (but with Debian patches, so that you may create .deb packages for it). You will have to compile it yourself. Get the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files from the FTP archives (hamm/non-free/source/mail) and do the following: dpkg-source -x pine_3.96L-7.dsc cd pine-3.96L debian/rules binary (under root) That's all. Then you can dpkg -i pine.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTSreyqK7IlOjMLFAQFPnQP/cJ3QjjhvfEHrXENW6zQOxv+9MgQ8n1vV I8YwM3HXHvtM1ER4F5fGoaw8Wky42hlZ6N4ceTn1vaf9bMBGeyYt5GVw3qC5KJVZ hTdLi/OzC/2WK14Mo5cZC7uBtDvuXMJ0zowcCf01wfDd9ZfI2kst8dj8l8oXB6GK B7fWVTagQ1s= =QMnw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
Chris wrote: Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? I forget whether a date is set or not...but my system crashed due to major hardware failure (I am respondign from work now)...hamm seems rather stable Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? I have been dowloading files at work and burning CDs... Pine is in non-free ...I noticed some things missing too... I saw Apache (web server) listed in Packages but...the deb file was not there...then again...I bvurened my hamm CD before the code freeze... just remember to check out non-free and all the toher places you never know where a package could end up Another thing - is there any plans for debianizing the enlightenment window manager? hmm I think I looked at Enlightenment...and I think it looked coolthat was a while ago tho... Thanks alot, chris BTW. I noticed that the rescue target doesn't work on the new rescue disk, nor does the base installation install any kernel modules... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work well..I have it installed...due to problems with firewall issues and DHCP I can't seem to get mail working but... I downloaded pine as a binary for hamm I saw the deb of hamm in hamm/non-free/binary-i386/mail -Steve Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris wrote: Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable? Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive, however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc). Will these be included when it goes stable? pine is distributed in source-only form (but with Debian patches, so that you may create .deb packages for it). You will have to compile it yourself. Get the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files from the FTP archives (hamm/non-free/source/mail) and do the following: dpkg-source -x pine_3.96L-7.dsc cd pine-3.96L debian/rules binary (under root) That's all. Then you can dpkg -i pine.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTSreyqK7IlOjMLFAQFPnQP/cJ3QjjhvfEHrXENW6zQOxv+9MgQ8n1vV I8YwM3HXHvtM1ER4F5fGoaw8Wky42hlZ6N4ceTn1vaf9bMBGeyYt5GVw3qC5KJVZ hTdLi/OzC/2WK14Mo5cZC7uBtDvuXMJ0zowcCf01wfDd9ZfI2kst8dj8l8oXB6GK B7fWVTagQ1s= =QMnw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work well..I have it installed...due to problems with firewall issues and DHCP I can't seem to get mail working but... I downloaded pine as a binary for hamm I saw the deb of hamm in hamm/non-free/binary-i386/mail -Steve There may have been a pine binary .deb for hamm before people got the license figured out. The fact is, the University of Washington forbids distributing modified binary versions of pine. (There was a binary .deb in bo because the license isn't perfectly clear that that's forbidden, but if you look for it, it's there) Yes, this is highly annoying. Yes, many people have tried to get them to change it, with no success. I know many people annoyed at pine's non-freeness have chosen to go with mutt - you may want to look at that. The original post also asked about the enlightenment wm. The list of prospective packages (http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html) lists it as one that's being worked on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 10:09:52PM +1000, Chris wrote:
Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable?
When the're no more release critical bugs left. A list of these is posted on
debian-devel-announce with some regularity (latest:
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-announce-9804/msg2.html).
This list is derived from the list of bugs with Severity:
{critical,grave,important} as registered with the bug tracking system
(http://www.debian.org/Bugs/).
There's recently been an announcment about this:
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9804/msg01102.html which
also explains what you can do to help.
HTH,
Ray
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Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work Yes, you and me both downloaded the .deb of pine (and pico, and pine-docs, probably). However, it's been removed from binary-i386. I'd like to know why it's only there in source form, if anyone can answer that. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life is like a bad margarita with good tequila, http://squawk.klue.on.ca I thought, as I poured whiskey onto my granola Running Debian Linux 2.0 and faced a new day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Marco Anglesio wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I don't believe that is true I am using pine under hamm obn my pc here at work Yes, you and me both downloaded the .deb of pine (and pico, and pine-docs, probably). However, it's been removed from binary-i386. I'd like to know why it's only there in source form, if anyone can answer that. This is becoming a FAQ. The reason the binary pine was removed from the archive is because the pine licence from uwash doesn't permit redistribution of derivative works, which includes the patched version of pine that we had been mistakenly been distributing in binary form. Pine sources are available on the archive in debian source format. It is reasonably easy to compile a binary package for your own use from that, but we can't redistribute the binarys ourselves. Many people have been migrating to mutt, which suffers none of pine's non-freeness and seems to have some more features (and which is more frequently updated). -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 10:16:26AM -0400, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: The original post also asked about the enlightenment wm. The list of prospective packages (http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html) lists it as one that's being worked on. IIRC, the future maintainer post a mail about releasing Enlightment deb at the beginning of June 1998. The current version of Enlightment aren't ready for packaging and it there are a major release announce for the end of May. -- Fabien Ninoles Running Debian/GNU Linux E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage: http://www.callisto.si.usherb.ca/~94246757 WorkStation [available when connected!]: http://nightbird.tzone.org/ RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70 pgp5qNq8XgdLN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A few things about Debian Hamm
On 15 Apr 98 12:09:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris) wrote: Another thing - is there any plans for debianizing the enlightenment window manager? From the Prospective Packages list posted here regularly, it seems that there is: By Shaleh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * [10]The enlightenment window manager Also, Shaleh mentioned on the list recently that he's waiting for the E code to become more stable/compatible with Debian, or something like that. The next major version of E is the end of May, so he's looking at a mid-June release of the Debian version. (but this sort of date is never set in concrete) I'm getting itchy already, what with Enlightenment, the Gimp/GTK, Mozilla, Debian 2.0, Kernel 2.2 and the like just about to arrive in full force... Time to buy a plastic keyboard cover and a box of Kleenex, I think. :- Rob Wilderspin. -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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He is correct. E .13 needs too much work to make a deb worth it. As soon as .14 is out and usable there will be a debian package of it. I have already relased a imlib and a gdk_imlib package. A fnlib package will be out when it is stable and compiles nicely. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
