Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-10 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:09:41PM +0200, A. Loonstra wrote:
  How long would it take, normally?
 
 There is no normal when it comes to bugfixes.  Depends on how trivial
 or non-trivial the bug is.  If it's something like a packaging bug,
 usually next-day in sid.  If it's upstream, whenever upstream gets off
 it's ass.

Sometimes it's the other way around...
It depends on the maintainer.


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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-10 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:38:41PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
| On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:09:41PM +0200, A. Loonstra wrote:
|  How long would it take, normally?
| 
| There is no normal when it comes to bugfixes.  Depends on how trivial
| or non-trivial the bug is.

It also depends on opinions with respect to the bug.  Sometimes you
might call something a bug but someone else calls it a feature.
Sometimes, too, a given bug is considered the lesser of two evils.
In these situations then the bug might not get fixed.

-D

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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-10 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:38:41PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
| On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:09:41PM +0200, A. Loonstra wrote:
|  How long would it take, normally?
| 
| There is no normal when it comes to bugfixes.  Depends on how trivial
| or non-trivial the bug is.

It also depends on opinions with respect to the bug.  Sometimes you
might call something a bug but someone else calls it a feature.
Sometimes, too, a given bug is considered the lesser of two evils.
In these situations then the bug might not get fixed.
What you are specifically talking about is termed regression fault in
software engineering lingo.  Basically, fixing one problem introduces
other problems.  If they are bad enough, as you pointed out they may be,
it is not worth it to fix the original bug until a suitable solution can
be found for both.
-Roberto


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BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread A. Loonstra
Since I do not do this very often a very basic question:

I found a problem with a package. I want it to be fixed since it hasn't 
for days. What do I do???

The package is xfce4 which is uninstallable because of broken packages. 
Since that is all it says I don't nou where to go next.

I found this though but that's only a report.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=212800
Any ideas.

Arnaud.



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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread John Hasler
Arnaud writes:
 I found a problem with a package. I want it to be fixed since it hasn't
 for days. What do I do?

File a bug report.  'apt-get install reportbug', run reportbug, and follow
instructions.

 The package is xfce4 which is uninstallable because of broken
 packages. Since that is all it says I don't nou where to go next.

This is in Unstable, I presume?  If so just wait.  This is not an unusual
situation in Unstable.  That's why it's called that.

 I found this though but that's only a report.
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=212800

So the problem has already been reported.  There are two things you can do:

1) Submit a patch that fixes the problem.

2) Wait.
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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread Stuart Robinson
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:52, John Hasler wrote:
 Arnaud writes:
  I found a problem with a package. I want it to be fixed since it hasn't
  for days. What do I do?
 
 File a bug report.  'apt-get install reportbug', run reportbug, and follow
 instructions.

hehehe - #211601 - Reportbug Broken

*grin*


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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Stuart Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:52, John Hasler wrote:
  Arnaud writes:
   I found a problem with a package. I want it to be fixed since it hasn't
   for days. What do I do?
  
  File a bug report.  'apt-get install reportbug', run reportbug, and follow
  instructions.
 
 hehehe - #211601 - Reportbug Broken
 
 *grin*

That bug is closed, BTW.


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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread A. Loonstra
John Hasler wrote:
[snip]
So the problem has already been reported.  There are two things you can do:

1) Submit a patch that fixes the problem.

2) Wait.
How long would it take, normally?

Arnaud.



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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 at 18:09 GMT, A. Loonstra penned:
 John Hasler wrote: [snip]
 
 So the problem has already been reported.  There are two things you
 can do:
 
 1) Submit a patch that fixes the problem.
 
 2) Wait.
 
 How long would it take, normally?
 
 Arnaud.
 

Between 1 day and 1 year, or never, depending on the time and
inclinations of the maintainer and developers.

Open source projects often depend on a little thing we like to call
volunteer labor.  That means that we, as users, should be grateful for
the fact that people care enough to maintain this stuff and to make it
available for our use.

If you really care about having a given feature available, you have two
choices:

1) Figure out the fix and submit the patch yourself

2) Contact the developer and negotiate a price that will make this fix a
priority for them.  If this seems odd to you, bear in mind that thus far,
you've been getting the product for free.

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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 03:14:45PM +0200, A. Loonstra wrote:
 The package is xfce4 which is uninstallable because of broken packages. 
 Since that is all it says I don't nou where to go next.

apt-get install reportbug
man reportbug

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Re: BUG in package, what to do?

2003-10-09 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:09:41PM +0200, A. Loonstra wrote:
 How long would it take, normally?

There is no normal when it comes to bugfixes.  Depends on how trivial
or non-trivial the bug is.  If it's something like a packaging bug,
usually next-day in sid.  If it's upstream, whenever upstream gets off
it's ass.

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