Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:59:39 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message 
jkq08r$4vf$5...@dough.gmane.org:

 On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:41:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
  On Sb, 24 mar 12, 16:41:00, Camaleón wrote:
  
  But if you feel better having sex than gender I'm not going to
  object to that.
  
  Mmm... no, I'd better not say anything about this on a public
  mailing list :p
 
 C'mon, don't be shy. We're all part of the same family (Debian) ;-)

..um, that might spoil these nice cozy surprising tete-a-tete
embarrassments. ;o) 

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-29 Thread Charles Kroeger
 ,[ man fstab ]

 | noauto do not mount when mount -a is given (e.g., at boot time)
 `
 
 Hope this explains,
 Andrei

ahh... man fstab

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:34:52PM +, Lisi wrote:
 On Saturday 24 March 2012 15:09:57 Ken Heard wrote:
   Nouns and adjectives have gender, but people have sex.
 
 The latest strident feminist PC requires gender.  (It came up recently on 
 Debian Women.)  I share your objection.  But then I never burnt my bra, I 
 just got on and did a male (masculine?!) job.  And I am most emphatically not 
 a chair.  I am not a piece of furniture.

You may address the chair. has always sounded rather odd.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-28 Thread Keith McKenzie

On 28/03/12 04:01, Charles Kroeger wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:40:02 +0200
Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com  wrote:


On Mi, 21 mar 12, 14:26:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:


Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the
camera and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find
'sde1' (because it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found'
warning. That's the reason for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab.


noauto?


auto what..please elaborate.


'noauto' means not mounted automatically at booting up.



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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 27 mar 12, 22:01:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:
 On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:40:02 +0200
 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mi, 21 mar 12, 14:26:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:
   
   Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the
   camera and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find
   'sde1' (because it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found'
   warning. That's the reason for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab. 
  
  noauto?
 
 auto what..please elaborate.


,[ man fstab ]
| Basic file system independent options are:
|
| [...]
|
| noauto do not mount when mount -a is given (e.g., at boot time)
`

Hope this explains,
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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-27 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:40:02 +0200
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mi, 21 mar 12, 14:26:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:
  
  Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the
  camera and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find
  'sde1' (because it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found'
  warning. That's the reason for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab. 
 
 noauto?

auto what..please elaborate.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 21 mar 12, 14:26:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:
 
 Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the camera
 and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find 'sde1' (because
 it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found' warning. That's the reason
 for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab. 

noauto?

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 24 mar 12, 16:41:00, Camaleón wrote:
 
 But if you feel better having sex than gender I'm not going to object to 
 that.

Mmm... no, I'd better not say anything about this on a public mailing 
list :p

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-26 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:41:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Sb, 24 mar 12, 16:41:00, Camaleón wrote:
 
 But if you feel better having sex than gender I'm not going to object
 to that.
 
 Mmm... no, I'd better not say anything about this on a public mailing
 list :p

C'mon, don't be shy. We're all part of the same family (Debian) ;-)

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Re: Logs normalization (was: Can no longer mount SDHC card)

2012-03-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:54:35 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:

 On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Well, it's far more simpler than that: I was only whining for not
 having the same log files, located in the same place and holding the
 same
 information between the different distributions :-)
 
 Ahhh... The joy of Linux!  /-;

Ye-ah :-)
 
 Linux is all about choices.

Yes, but good practices neither hurt.

 Sometimes we like that -- we call it freedom. 

And we also say is well-designed, well-conducted.

 Sometimes we don't -- then we call it chaos.

And there's also a weird joy in that chaos, we (linux users) must be a 
bit masochists :-P

 Enjoy!

Always!

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-24 Thread Ken Heard
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Camaleón wrote:

 But don't worry; linear thinking is not linked to a particular gender.

Don't you mean sex?  Nouns and adjectives have gender, but people have sex.

Ken

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Camaleón wrote:


On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:59:56 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:


On 03/22/12 10:47, Camaleón wrote:

To be sincere, I'm still unsure about what log file holds what
information. In openSUSE, the main log was /var/log/messages and  
you

had to look there to see the most relevant information, but here
(Debian) seems to be /var/log/syslog. Then there are additional  
small
files for authentication, user and other stuff I never remember  
which

is disseminated into small registries files.


Take a look at /etc/rsyslog.conf


Nothing of interest (for the matter) here.


and
man rsyslog.conf rsyslogd


Still no way to know where messages are being dropped.

I would like to see more integration/compatibility in this regard  
coming

from all distributions.


All your questions will be answered (albeit cryptically) there.


Mmm... I'm afraid they're not ;-)

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Perhaps I didn't understand your question.

Those man pages, along with the rsyslog.conf file will give you the  
general rules governing which messages get sent into which log files.   
Any particular messages will be a special case of those general  
rules.  I did say that they were cryptic.  So the application of the  
rules may require specialized knowledge, often available only by  
examining the source code.


Perhaps your question was prompted by the need for that specialized  
knowledge?  If that's the case, I apologize for misunderstanding.


Rick

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 22:09:57 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:
 
 But don't worry; linear thinking is not linked to a particular gender.
 
 Don't you mean sex?  Nouns and adjectives have gender, but people have
 sex.

Nope, I meant gender which also applies to human beings, AFAIK.

But if you feel better having sex than gender I'm not going to object to 
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Logs normalization (was: Can no longer mount SDHC card)

2012-03-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:32:55 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:

 On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Camaleón wrote:

 Take a look at /etc/rsyslog.conf

 Nothing of interest (for the matter) here.

 and
 man rsyslog.conf rsyslogd

 Still no way to know where messages are being dropped.

 I would like to see more integration/compatibility in this regard
 coming
 from all distributions.

 All your questions will be answered (albeit cryptically) there.

 Mmm... I'm afraid they're not ;-)

 
 Perhaps I didn't understand your question.
 
 Those man pages, along with the rsyslog.conf file will give you the
 general rules governing which messages get sent into which log files.

Yes. And this is the same for every distribution. But no, I was not 
speaking about that but the differences between linux distributions which 
configure different logging settings.

For example, and as I said before, there is no /var/log/syslog in 
openSUSE and what Debian sends to syslog openSUSE sends it to /var/log/
messages which is also available in Debian but holding different 
information. 

Which is nothing but a bit of mess for system administratrors and that's 
why I would like to see a higher degree of integration (standardization) 
in this field, logs (at least for me) are an important part of any 
operating system.

 Any particular messages will be a special case of those general rules. 
 I did say that they were cryptic.  So the application of the rules may
 require specialized knowledge, often available only by examining the
 source code.

Yes, I know it can be tweaked but I was referring to the defaults.
 
 Perhaps your question was prompted by the need for that specialized
 knowledge?  If that's the case, I apologize for misunderstanding.

Well, it's far more simpler than that: I was only whining for not 
having the same log files, located in the same place and holding the same 
information between the different distributions :-)

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Re: Logs normalization (was: Can no longer mount SDHC card)

2012-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Camaleón wrote:


Well, it's far more simpler than that: I was only whining for not
having the same log files, located in the same place and holding the  
same

information between the different distributions :-)


Ahhh... The joy of Linux!  /-;

Linux is all about choices.
Sometimes we like that -- we call it freedom.
Sometimes we don't -- then we call it chaos.

Enjoy!
Rick

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-24 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 24 March 2012 15:09:57 Ken Heard wrote:
  Nouns and adjectives have gender, but people have sex.

The latest strident feminist PC requires gender.  (It came up recently on 
Debian Women.)  I share your objection.  But then I never burnt my bra, I 
just got on and did a male (masculine?!) job.  And I am most emphatically not 
a chair.  I am not a piece of furniture.

Lisi


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Ken Heard
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Camaleón wrote:
 You can grab a LiveCD for a distribution of your choice (with an updated 
 kernel) and try your embedded multimedia card reader from there. In fact, 
 that's one of the uses for LiveCDs: testing your hardware without messing 
 up your current installed system ;-)

Good idea.  I should have thought of it myself; but I am male and
sometimes my thinking is just too linear.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:59:56 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:

 On 03/22/12 10:47, Camaleón wrote:
 To be sincere, I'm still unsure about what log file holds what
 information. In openSUSE, the main log was /var/log/messages and you
 had to look there to see the most relevant information, but here
 (Debian) seems to be /var/log/syslog. Then there are additional small
 files for authentication, user and other stuff I never remember which
 is disseminated into small registries files.
 
 Take a look at /etc/rsyslog.conf  

Nothing of interest (for the matter) here.

 and
   man rsyslog.conf rsyslogd

Still no way to know where messages are being dropped.

I would like to see more integration/compatibility in this regard coming 
from all distributions.

 All your questions will be answered (albeit cryptically) there.

Mmm... I'm afraid they're not ;-)

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 21. März 2012 schrieb Keith McKenzie:
 On 20/03/12 23:23, Charles Kroeger wrote:
  Before you suggest, I didn't put the mount -t vfat etc command in
  fstab because I don't want to see a message every time I boot the
  computer without the SD card in the reader saying sde1 can't be
  found and doesn't exist.
 
 I've got a feeling if you put 'users' on the fstab line it will cure 
 that,  anyone in the 'users' group should be able to mount it.

AFAIK users stands for any user at all. user=username specifies a certain 
user.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 21. März 2012 schrieb Ken Heard:
 Camaléon's latest suggestions are worth trying to determine whether the
 cause is a software malfunction rather than a hardware failure.  To do
 so however I would have to wait until I upgrade the laptop from Lenny
 to Squeeze, as he suggests I use an updated kernel.  I will not be
 able to do the upgrade before May.

You could try to dig out a backport kernel for Lenny. But it might just be 
easier to upgrade the machine. Yes there are 2.6.32 packages available, 
according to:

http://backports.debian.org/Packages/

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 23. März 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
 Am Mittwoch, 21. März 2012 schrieb Ken Heard:
  Camaléon's latest suggestions are worth trying to determine whether
  the cause is a software malfunction rather than a hardware failure. 
  To do so however I would have to wait until I upgrade the laptop
  from Lenny to Squeeze, as he suggests I use an updated kernel.  I
  will not be able to do the upgrade before May.
 
 You could try to dig out a backport kernel for Lenny. But it might just
 be easier to upgrade the machine. Yes there are 2.6.32 packages
 available, according to:
 
 http://backports.debian.org/Packages/

Ditch that it might just be easier to upgrade the machine. I didn´t 
think that Lenny backport packages where still available - whyever. 
Granted Lenny is not supported officially anymore. But its also not yet 
moved to archive.debian.org. And even that also carries backports¹.

Anyway it makes sense to upgrade from a security point of view at last.

[1] http://archive.debian.org/backports.org/dists/

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-23 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:42:06 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:
 You can grab a LiveCD for a distribution of your choice (with an
 updated kernel) and try your embedded multimedia card reader from
 there. In fact, that's one of the uses for LiveCDs: testing your
 hardware without messing up your current installed system ;-)
 
 Good idea.  I should have thought of it myself; but I am male and
 sometimes my thinking is just too linear.

He, he! :-)

But don't worry; linear thinking is not linked to a particular gender.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-22 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:17:06 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:
 Wilko Fokken wrote:
  Camaleón wrote:
  Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see
  what's going on.
  
  Should'nt it be written:
  
 run dmesg | tail -f  ?
 
 I only wanted to print the last few line from dmesg, nothing
 interactive.
 
 The issue everyone was poking at was the order of actions.  

Ah, that... true :-)

 If you run dmesg|tail first before inserting the card then that is
 before and there won't be any messages about it yet.  Instead the order
 would be to insert the card first and then run dmesg afterward to see
 what output it produced.

Sure, the order matters here. He can re-run the command again to view the 
new messages.

 But that output may be slow to be emitted over time.  I think it is
 better to tail the syslog file.

USB (hardware) events are dropped there?

 AFAIK /var/log/syslog would would have all of the same information as
 dmesg and so tail'ing with -f it would give real-time coverage of the
 messages and no need to repeatedly run the dmesg command.

To be sincere, I'm still unsure about what log file holds what 
information. In openSUSE, the main log was /var/log/messages and you 
had to look there to see the most relevant information, but here (Debian) 
seems to be /var/log/syslog. Then there are additional small files for 
authentication, user and other stuff I never remember which is 
disseminated into small registries files.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-22 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:07:08 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

(...)

 Camaléon's latest suggestions are worth trying to determine whether the
 cause is a software malfunction rather than a hardware failure.  To do
 so however I would have to wait until I upgrade the laptop from Lenny to
 Squeeze, as he suggests I use an updated kernel.  I will not be able to
 do the upgrade before May.

You can grab a LiveCD for a distribution of your choice (with an updated 
kernel) and try your embedded multimedia card reader from there. In fact, 
that's one of the uses for LiveCDs: testing your hardware without messing 
up your current installed system ;-)

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-22 Thread Rick Thomas



On 03/22/12 10:47, Camaleón wrote:

To be sincere, I'm still unsure about what log file holds what
information. In openSUSE, the main log was /var/log/messages and you
had to look there to see the most relevant information, but here (Debian)
seems to be /var/log/syslog. Then there are additional small files for
authentication, user and other stuff I never remember which is
disseminated into small registries files.


Take a look at /etc/rsyslog.conf  and
man rsyslog.conf rsyslogd
All your questions will be answered (albeit cryptically) there.

Enjoy!
Rick


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Keith McKenzie

On 20/03/12 23:23, Charles Kroeger wrote:

Before you suggest, I didn't put the mount -t vfat etc command in fstab
because I don't want to see a message every time I boot the computer without
the SD card in the reader saying sde1 can't be found and doesn't exist.

I've got a feeling if you put 'users' on the fstab line it will cure 
that,  anyone in the 'users' group should be able to mount it.



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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Keith McKenzie

On 21/03/12 03:34, Ken Heard wrote:

Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112]  mmcblk0:3mmc0: Card
removed during transfer!

That looks bad...


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Keith McKenzie

On 21/03/12 03:48, John Jason Jordan wrote:

Let me know what kind of n-in-one card reader you find. I could use
one as well.
I have a (www.)Novatech(.co.uk) reader that is 'cheap'  works OK, but 
is slow.



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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Keith McKenzie

On 21/03/12 03:34, Ken Heard wrote:

Mar 20 18:22:03 R61 kernel: [4.632233]  mmcblk0:3mmc0: Card
removed during transfer!
You might want to check if the sd card is still readable; if it isn't, 
it was corrupted by being removed whilst the system was still writing 
data to it; will need to be re formatted.



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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Wilko Fokken
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:57:38PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
..
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
 what's going on.

Should'nt it be written:

run dmesg | tail -f  ?


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Wilko Fokken wrote:
 Camaleón wrote:
  Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
  what's going on.
 
 Should'nt it be written:
 
   run dmesg | tail -f  ?

Try:

  tail -f /var/log/syslog

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Wilko Fokken:
 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:57:38PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
 ..
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
 what's going on.
 
 Should'nt it be written:
 
   run dmesg | tail -f  ?

Neither one will print more than the last ten lines of kernel output at
the time of running dmesg.

Either tail -f /var/log/syslog or run something like 'watch dmesg |
tail'.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:52:37 +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:57:38PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
 ..
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see
 what's going on.
 
 Should'nt it be written:
 
   run dmesg | tail -f  ?

I only wanted to print the last few line from dmesg, nothing interactive.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:34:31 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

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 John Jason Jordan wrote:
 
 This is beginning to sound like hardware failure. The SD card reader in
 my T61 failed shortly after the three year warranty ended.
 
 I think you may be right.  Further investigation revealed the text at
 the end of this post -- returned by command cat /var/log/syslog.1|grep
 mmc.  This part of syslog.1 was created at the time the OS no longer
 could read a SDHC card in the built-in reader and my subsequent attempts
 to try to get it to do so.

(...)

I would try:

- Removing the /etc/fstab line entry for the card
- Restarting the system
- Insert a card
- Review dmesg
- Reloading the modules
- Try with different card types (SD, MMC...)

 Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24381.761612] ricoh-mmc: Suspending. 
 Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24381.761638] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now 
 re-enabled.
 Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24387.313190] ricoh-mmc: Resuming. 
 Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24387.313210] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now 
 disabled.

The reader is being turned on/off.

 Mar 20 17:39:10 R61 kernel: [1.772657] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller 
 disabling driver
 Mar 20 17:39:10 R61 kernel: [1.772660] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip 
 Langdale
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.100884] mmc0: Will use DMA mode even 
 though HW doesn't fully claim to support it. 
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.100884] mmc0: SDHCI at 0xf8301000 irq 18 
 DMA
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.107613] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller 
 found at :15:00.3 [1180:0843] (rev 11) 
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.107621] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now 
 disabled.
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.749027] mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at 
 address b368

And here is your SDHC card.

 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112] mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 NCard 
 31271936KiB (ro)
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112] mmcblk0:3mmc0: Card removed 
 during transfer!
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112] mmc0: Resetting controller.
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758794] mmcblk0: error -123 sending 
 read/write command
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758855] end_request: I/O error, dev 
 mmcblk0, sector 0
 Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758917] Buffer I/O error on device 
 mmcblk0, logical block 0

(...)

I would try with an updated kernel.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Ken Heard
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Keith McKenzie wrote:
 You might want to check if the sd card is still readable; 

Yes it is; all the photos are still on it, and I was able to write new
photos to it.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Ken Heard
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I said in my post of 2012-03-21 at 10:34 (UTP +7):

 I suppose my solution now is to
 invest in an external n-in-1 card reader with the capacity to read the
 high capacity SD cards and use it instead of the internal reader.

I did so today.  For Keith McKenzie's information the card I bought was
designed in the U.S. of A., made in China and branded in Thailand:
Anitech All in One CardReader, seems to read all cards currently in
captivity, very small (68 x 36 x 12 mm), comes in three decorator
colours (pink, blue and white, I chose a blue one), paid 250 baht for it
(CAD8.30, USD ±2% of CAD amount).

I plugged in to a USB port, installed in it a CF and a SDHC card and ran
command blkid.  It assigned /dev/sdb1 to the SDHC card and /dev/sdc1 to
the CF card.  I then modified /etd/fstab accordingly, opened Konqueror
and voilà!  I was able to open both cards and copy photos from the SDHC
card to the the CF card.

The fact that blkid was able to identify these cards but not a SD card
in the built-in slot, and that this fault came completely out of the
blue without any software changes, reinforces my opinion (and John Jason
Jordan's as well?) that the cause of inability to mount and read a card
in that built-in slot was hardware failure.  Surely if the hardware were
in order blkid would have identified the card in that slot and assigned
/dev/mmcblk0p1 to it, as was done in the past.

Camaléon's latest suggestions are worth trying to determine whether the
cause is a software malfunction rather than a hardware failure.  To do
so however I would have to wait until I upgrade the laptop from Lenny to
Squeeze, as he suggests I use an updated kernel.  I will not be able to
do the upgrade before May.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 17:07:08 Ken Heard wrote:
 Camaléon's [snip], as he suggests I use an updated kernel.

... SHE suggests ..

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:40:03 +0100
Keith McKenzie km3...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20/03/12 23:23, Charles Kroeger wrote:
  Before you suggest, I didn't put the mount -t vfat etc command in fstab
  because I don't want to see a message every time I boot the computer
  without the SD card in the reader saying sde1 can't be found and doesn't
  exist.
 
 I've got a feeling if you put 'users' on the fstab line it will cure 
 that,  anyone in the 'users' group should be able to mount it.
 
 

Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the camera
and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find 'sde1' (because
it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found' warning. That's the reason
for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab. 

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Camaleón wrote:
 Wilko Fokken wrote:
  Camaleón wrote:
  Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see
  what's going on.
  
  Should'nt it be written:
  
  run dmesg | tail -f  ?
 
 I only wanted to print the last few line from dmesg, nothing interactive.

The issue everyone was poking at was the order of actions.  If you run
dmesg|tail first before inserting the card then that is before and
there won't be any messages about it yet.  Instead the order would be
to insert the card first and then run dmesg afterward to see what
output it produced.

But that output may be slow to be emitted over time.  I think it is
better to tail the syslog file.

AFAIK /var/log/syslog would would have all of the same information as
dmesg and so tail'ing with -f it would give real-time coverage of the
messages and no need to repeatedly run the dmesg command.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:48:21 -0700
John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:34:31 +0700
 Ken Heard k...@heard.name dijo:
 
 If I interpreted correctly the text below the OS may detect the
 presence of the card but no longer will read it.  I suppose my
 solution now is to invest in an external n-in-1 card reader with the
 capacity to read the high capacity SD cards and use it instead of the
 internal reader.
 
 I should add that mine is a Ricoh also. Also that the Linux Thinkpad
 thinkwiki page and the listserve are full of problems with hardware
 failures and general flakiness.

They are? Thinkpads, particularly the T series (and IIUC, the R is a
close cousin of the T), are famous and beloved for their superlative
build quality.

Celejar


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:40:10 -0400
Celejar cele...@gmail.com dijo:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:48:21 -0700
John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I should add that mine is a Ricoh also. Also that the Linux Thinkpad
 thinkwiki page and the listserve are full of problems with hardware
 failures and general flakiness.

They are? Thinkpads, particularly the T series (and IIUC, the R is a
close cousin of the T), are famous and beloved for their superlative
build quality.

I am sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Thinkpads in general were poor
quality. In fact, my experience is just the opposite. My T61 is now 4.5
years old and has held up better than any other laptop I have ever
owned. It's just the Ricoh card reader that is troublesome. 


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:59:46 -0700
John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:40:10 -0400
 Celejar cele...@gmail.com dijo:
 
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:48:21 -0700
 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  I should add that mine is a Ricoh also. Also that the Linux Thinkpad
  thinkwiki page and the listserve are full of problems with hardware
  failures and general flakiness.
 
 They are? Thinkpads, particularly the T series (and IIUC, the R is a
 close cousin of the T), are famous and beloved for their superlative
 build quality.
 
 I am sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Thinkpads in general were poor
 quality. In fact, my experience is just the opposite. My T61 is now 4.5
 years old and has held up better than any other laptop I have ever
 owned. It's just the Ricoh card reader that is troublesome. 

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. I recently bought a refurb T61,
based on the series's stellar reputation, and I was getting nervous ;)

Celejar


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-21 Thread Ken Heard
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Lisi wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 March 2012 17:07:08 Ken Heard wrote:
 Camaléon's [snip], as he suggests I use an updated kernel.
 
 ... SHE suggests ..

Ouch!  From now on, unless the sex of a poster is patently obvious from
the name, I must in all other cases use sexually neutral pronouns or
substitutes for pronouns.  Possible suggestions: (s)he s/he, h(er:im),
her/him, h(is:er), his/her.  Other possibilities welcomed.  I have
already trained myself to use Ms. instead of Miss or Mrs, or just plain
M. if the sex of the individual addressed is not obvious -- as is done
in French, at least in Canada.

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Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
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I have a Lenovo R61 laptop which has a built-in SD card slot.  The
operating system is Lenny.

Ever since I bought this laptop in May 2008 I have been able to mount in
it SDHC cards from my Canon 60D digital camera.  The relevant line in
fstab is and has always been:

/dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/sd vfatuser,noauto,noatime 0   0

Within the last three hours however -- through no conscious intervention
on my part -- I have been unable to mount an SDHC card installed in this
slot.  The command mount sd returns the following:

mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist

I will consequently be grateful for advice to help me find out what is
wrong and how to fix it.

Regards, Ken Heard

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

 I have a Lenovo R61 laptop which has a built-in SD card slot.  The
 operating system is Lenny.
 
 Ever since I bought this laptop in May 2008 I have been able to mount in
 it SDHC cards from my Canon 60D digital camera.  The relevant line in
 fstab is and has always been:
 
 /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/sd vfatuser,noauto,noatime 0   0

If you're using a DE, I would let it to mount external devices 
automatically, that is, by commenting (#) the above line in /etc/fstab. 
Then, as soon as you attache the card it should be recognized, detected 
and mounted under /media.
 
 Within the last three hours however -- through no conscious intervention
 on my part -- I have been unable to mount an SDHC card installed in this
 slot.  The command mount sd returns the following:
 
 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist

And it may be true. Run /sbin/blkid.
 
 I will consequently be grateful for advice to help me find out what is
 wrong and how to fix it.

Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
what's going on.

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
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Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
 
 I have a Lenovo R61 laptop which has a built-in SD card slot.  The
 operating system is Lenny.

 Ever since I bought this laptop in May 2008 I have been able to mount in
 it SDHC cards from my Canon 60D digital camera.  The relevant line in
 fstab is and has always been:

 /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/sd vfatuser,noauto,noatime 0   0
 
 If you're using a DE, I would let it to mount external devices 
 automatically, that is, by commenting (#) the above line in /etc/fstab. 
 Then, as soon as you attache the card it should be recognized, detected 
 and mounted under /media.

I did as you suggested -- commented out that line in fstab -- and
inserted the card.  It was not recognized, detected or mounted under
media.  The DE I am using is KDE 3.5.10.

 Within the last three hours however -- through no conscious intervention
 on my part -- I have been unable to mount an SDHC card installed in this
 slot.  The command mount sd returns the following:

 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist
 
 And it may be true. Run /sbin/blkid.

It is true; I had already discovered that that device does not now
exist, although it must have existed more than three hours ago.

 I will consequently be grateful for advice to help me find out what is
 wrong and how to fix it.
 
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
 what's going on.

I ran that dmesg|tail both before and after installing the SDHC card
On all occasions that command reported nothing.

Ken

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:45:58 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:

 If you're using a DE, I would let it to mount external devices
 automatically, that is, by commenting (#) the above line in /etc/fstab.
 Then, as soon as you attache the card it should be recognized, detected
 and mounted under /media.
 
 I did as you suggested -- commented out that line in fstab -- and
 inserted the card.  It was not recognized, detected or mounted under
 media.  The DE I am using is KDE 3.5.10.

I think a restart is required for that change to take effect.
 
 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist
 
 And it may be true. Run /sbin/blkid.
 
 It is true; I had already discovered that that device does not now
 exist, although it must have existed more than three hours ago.

Wow, a ghost card :-)

If the device was detected and recognized, it should be something at 
dmesg indicating the presence of the mount point or at least the device 
itself. You can filter the output with dmesg | grep -i sd.

Are you hibernating or suspending the computer? Maybe the card reader 
becomes inaccessible/hidden after restoring from suspension :-?
 
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see
 what's going on.
 
 I ran that dmesg|tail both before and after installing the SDHC card
 On all occasions that command reported nothing.

Nothing? :-?

Then your kernel is not being aware that there is a card inserted 
although it should be automatically detected. I would try by reloading 
the kernel module which controls these kind of devices (modprobe -r 
module_name modprobe module_name). Sorry, I don't know the name of the 
module it uses :-P, you can list all of them with lsmod.  

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:45:58 +0700
Ken Heard k...@heard.name dijo:

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Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
 
 I have a Lenovo R61 laptop which has a built-in SD card slot.  The
 operating system is Lenny.

 Ever since I bought this laptop in May 2008 I have been able to
 mount in it SDHC cards from my Canon 60D digital camera.  The
 relevant line in fstab is and has always been:

 /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/sd vfatuser,noauto,noatime
 0   0
 
 If you're using a DE, I would let it to mount external devices 
 automatically, that is, by commenting (#) the above line
 in /etc/fstab. Then, as soon as you attache the card it should be
 recognized, detected and mounted under /media.

I did as you suggested -- commented out that line in fstab -- and
inserted the card.  It was not recognized, detected or mounted under
media.  The DE I am using is KDE 3.5.10.

 Within the last three hours however -- through no conscious
 intervention on my part -- I have been unable to mount an SDHC card
 installed in this slot.  The command mount sd returns the
 following:

 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist
 
 And it may be true. Run /sbin/blkid.

It is true; I had already discovered that that device does not now
exist, although it must have existed more than three hours ago.

 I will consequently be grateful for advice to help me find out what
 is wrong and how to fix it.
 
 Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see 
 what's going on.

I ran that dmesg|tail both before and after installing the SDHC card
On all occasions that command reported nothing.

This is beginning to sound like hardware failure. The SD card reader in
my T61 failed shortly after the three year warranty ended.


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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Frank McCormick

On 20/03/12 01:01 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:45:58 +0700
Ken Heardk...@heard.name  dijo:


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Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +0700, Ken Heard wrote:


I have a Lenovo R61 laptop which has a built-in SD card slot.  The
operating system is Lenny.

Ever since I bought this laptop in May 2008 I have been able to
mount in it SDHC cards from my Canon 60D digital camera.  The
relevant line in fstab is and has always been:

/dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/sd vfatuser,noauto,noatime
0   0


If you're using a DE, I would let it to mount external devices
automatically, that is, by commenting (#) the above line
in /etc/fstab. Then, as soon as you attache the card it should be
recognized, detected and mounted under /media.


I did as you suggested -- commented out that line in fstab -- and
inserted the card.  It was not recognized, detected or mounted under
media.  The DE I am using is KDE 3.5.10.


Within the last three hours however -- through no conscious
intervention on my part -- I have been unable to mount an SDHC card
installed in this slot.  The command mount sd returns the
following:

mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist


And it may be true. Run /sbin/blkid.


It is true; I had already discovered that that device does not now
exist, although it must have existed more than three hours ago.


I will consequently be grateful for advice to help me find out what
is wrong and how to fix it.


Open a terminal, run dmesg | tail and then insert the card to see
what's going on.


I ran that dmesg|tail both before and after installing the SDHC card
On all occasions that command reported nothing.


This is beginning to sound like hardware failure. The SD card reader in
my T61 failed shortly after the three year warranty ended.




   Sorry getting in on this late --- have you tried mounting a 
*different** SD card ?



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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Charles Kroeger
I find where the SD card is by checking the list on:

# /dev/disk/by-id

without fail the card reader will be assigned a disk number like sde. If the
reader is sde then the SD card stuck in the reader will be sde1

# mount -t vfat /dev/sde1  /media/ (I made a directory here)

I use the mount command with the vfat file system because the file system on
all these cameras seem to be a vfat variation. (then)

# cd  /media/(my directory)

I use gThumb to import the pictures from 'my directory'. This also works for
picassa

It's kind of a steam driven procedure but I can't see why this wouldn't
work for anyone with a Debian system.

Before you suggest, I didn't put the mount -t vfat etc command in fstab
because I don't want to see a message every time I boot the computer without
the SD card in the reader saying sde1 can't be found and doesn't exist. 

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
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John Jason Jordan wrote:

 This is beginning to sound like hardware failure. The SD card reader in
 my T61 failed shortly after the three year warranty ended.

I think you may be right.  Further investigation revealed the text at
the end of this post -- returned by command cat /var/log/syslog.1|grep
mmc.  This part of syslog.1 was created at the time the OS no longer
could read a SDHC card in the built-in reader and my subsequent attempts
to try to get it to do so.

The dev file for this particular card reader has always been
/dev/mmcblk0p1.  I never did pay any attention as to how this file was
created; I merely assumed that the OS created it on boot whenever it
detected the built-in card reader. It now longer appears.  I did try to
create it manually but it made no difference; indeed when after doing so
I rebooted, that file disappeared.

If I interpreted correctly the text below the OS may detect the presence
of the card but no longer will read it.  I suppose my solution now is to
invest in an external n-in-1 card reader with the capacity to read the
high capacity SD cards and use it instead of the internal reader.

Ken

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Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24381.761612] ricoh-mmc: Suspending.
Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24381.761638] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now
re-enabled.
Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24387.313190] ricoh-mmc: Resuming.
Mar 20 14:32:41 R61 kernel: [24387.313210] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now
disabled.
Mar 20 17:39:10 R61 kernel: [1.772657] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC
Controller disabling driver
Mar 20 17:39:10 R61 kernel: [1.772660] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c)
Philip Langdale
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.100884] mmc0: Will use DMA mode even
though HW doesn't fully claim to support it.
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.100884] mmc0: SDHCI at 0xf8301000 irq
18 DMA
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.107613] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC
controller found at :15:00.3 [1180:0843] (rev 11)
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.107621] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now
disabled.
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.749027] mmc0: new high speed SDHC
card at address b368
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112] mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 NCard
31271936KiB (ro)
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112]  mmcblk0:3mmc0: Card
removed during transfer!
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.756112] mmc0: Resetting controller.
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758794] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758855] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.758917] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.761091] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.761165] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.761241] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.765084] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.765084] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.765084] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.767132] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.767205] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.767268] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.769671] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.769671] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.769671] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.771806] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.771885] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.771963] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776385] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776472] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776554] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776697] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776697] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.776697] Buffer I/O error on device
mmcblk0, logical block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.778725] mmcblk0: error -123 sending
read/write command
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.778816] end_request: I/O error, dev
mmcblk0, sector 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.779506] Dev mmcblk0: unable to read
RDB block 0
Mar 20 17:39:11 R61 kernel: [4.780964] mmcblk0: error -123 sending

Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

2012-03-20 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:34:31 +0700
Ken Heard k...@heard.name dijo:

If I interpreted correctly the text below the OS may detect the
presence of the card but no longer will read it.  I suppose my
solution now is to invest in an external n-in-1 card reader with the
capacity to read the high capacity SD cards and use it instead of the
internal reader.

I should add that mine is a Ricoh also. Also that the Linux Thinkpad
thinkwiki page and the listserve are full of problems with hardware
failures and general flakiness.

Let me know what kind of n-in-one card reader you find. I could use
one as well.


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