Re: Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Loren Dvid  wrote:
> Hello,
> In debian 6.0 and 7.0 the latest stable version of PygreSQL package is 4.0
> http://www.pygresql.org/contents/changelog.html
> This version is from 2009. The newest stable version is 5.0.2
> Why the repository is not being updated?
>

There are multiple things I would like to point out here.

1) Debian 6.0 and 7.0 are very old versions of Debian. They are no
longer supported. Please consider upgrading to the latest stable
version of Debian. Currently it is 8.6 and is called Jessie.

2) Even if you upgrade to latest Debian stable version, you will still
get 4.0.3 and that will not change in the future. This is because
Debian stable will only get security fixes and does not get any new
versions.

3) As 
http://kamarajukusumanchi.github.io/choosing_debian_distribution/choosing_debian_distribution.html
would tell you, your best bet to get the latest version of a software
package is to install Debian unstable. But in this case even that
would not help because even Debian unstable has 4.0.3

 % rmadison python-pygresql
debian:
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-2+b1 | squeeze | amd64, armel, i386,
ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390,
sparc
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-3| wheezy  | amd64, armel, armhf,
i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc,
s390, s390x, sparc
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-3.1  | jessie-kfreebsd | kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-3.1  | jessie  | amd64, arm64, armel,
armhf, i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-3.1  | stretch | amd64, arm64, armel,
armhf, i386, mips, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el, s390x
 python-pygresql | 1:4.0-3.1  | sid | amd64, arm64, armel,
armhf, hurd-i386, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mips64el,
mipsel, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x


4) Normally, the next logical step is to file a "wishlist" bug asking
the maintainer to package the new upstream version. But in this case,
that may not be desirable since as Richard Hector pointed out, this
functionality is provided by another package (python-psycopg2) and is
also way more popular.

 % echo "python-pygresql python-psycopg2" | tr ' ' '\n' | popsort.py
14919 python-pygresql
4260 python-psycopg2

where the first column shows the package rank from popularity contest.
BTW popsort.py is a script written by me and documented at
http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sort_output_of_apt-cache_search_by_popularity
.

5) If you still want the latest version of python-pygresql, use
reportbug tool to file the "wishlist" bug. If you do not know how to
do that, I am happy to do it for you.

Hope that helps
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

Re: Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 09:01:22AM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> Current stable is Debian 8 (Jessie). And it is not likely to pick up new 
> versions either. It became stable a couple of years back (sorry I don't 
> remember exactly when and don't have time to look it up, but you can see 
> on Debian's website).

Remember, remember,
The Fifth of November,
Gunpowder treason and plot;
For I see no reason
Why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.

Jessie was frozen on November 5, 2014.  The date is also known as Guy
Fawkes Day in the UK.

Stretch's "transition freeze" was initiated on November 5, 2016.
Or at least it was supposed to have been.

Re: Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[Richard Hector]

On 10/11/16 13:01, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 09:32:46AM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/09/2016 06:59 AM, Loren Dvid wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> In debian 6.0 and 7.0 the latest stable version of PygreSQL package is 4.0
>>> http://www.pygresql.org/contents/changelog.html
>>> This version is from 2009. The newest stable version is 5.0.2
>>> Why the repository is not being updated?
>>>
>>
>> This is common in the Stable release.
>> If you want the latest pkgs, you need to use testing (stretch) or
>> experimental/unstable (sid)

...

> 
> The OP wasn't even talking about stable, he mentioned Debian 6 and 7, 
> which are prehistoric and ancient, respectively. (loved 'em both, in 
> their day -- but now is not their day)

...

All that would be valid, except jessie, stretch and sid still have 4.0.

But if you look at the debian changelog, you'll see the package was
orphaned in 2011. It probably just gets security updates now.

I'm not a python programmer, but from the sources below it seems that
Psycopg2 is now the most popular option. It seems reasonably likely that
the previous maintainer switched to that.

Richard




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Re: Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 09:32:46AM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/09/2016 06:59 AM, Loren Dvid wrote:
> >Hello,
> >In debian 6.0 and 7.0 the latest stable version of PygreSQL package is 4.0
> >http://www.pygresql.org/contents/changelog.html
> >This version is from 2009. The newest stable version is 5.0.2
> >Why the repository is not being updated?
> >
> 
> This is common in the Stable release.
> If you want the latest pkgs, you need to use testing (stretch) or
> experimental/unstable (sid)
> For some things, you can get newer pkgs from backports:
> see https://backports.debian.org/
> Or, for some things, sometimes you can get away with installing upstream
> pkgs (from the actual project/developers).
> this is what I do for OmegaT, which is important for my work, and it's only
> dependency is a working jre. The current upstream release is 3.06, whereas
> the version in Jessie is still 2.3, which is several years old. with some
> things you really have to be careful about dependency conflicts if you try
> to use upstream pkgs.
> 
> 
> see https://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html
> 

The OP wasn't even talking about stable, he mentioned Debian 6 and 7, 
which are prehistoric and ancient, respectively. (loved 'em both, in 
their day -- but now is not their day)

I'd turn the question back around and ask the OP, why do you expect 
long-since end-of-life versions of Debian to be updated with new 
software?

Current stable is Debian 8 (Jessie). And it is not likely to pick up new 
versions either. It became stable a couple of years back (sorry I don't 
remember exactly when and don't have time to look it up, but you can see 
on Debian's website). To get updated software you need to be using 
testing or unstable.

Mark

Re: Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[Tony Baldwin]

On 11/09/2016 06:59 AM, Loren Dvid wrote:

Hello,
In debian 6.0 and 7.0 the latest stable version of PygreSQL package is 4.0
http://www.pygresql.org/contents/changelog.html
This version is from 2009. The newest stable version is 5.0.2
Why the repository is not being updated?



This is common in the Stable release.
If you want the latest pkgs, you need to use testing (stretch) or 
experimental/unstable (sid)

For some things, you can get newer pkgs from backports:
see https://backports.debian.org/
Or, for some things, sometimes you can get away with installing upstream 
pkgs (from the actual project/developers).
this is what I do for OmegaT, which is important for my work, and it's 
only dependency is a working jre. The current upstream release is 3.06, 
whereas the version in Jessie is still 2.3, which is several years old. 
with some things you really have to be careful about dependency 
conflicts if you try to use upstream pkgs.



see https://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html

./tony
--
http://tonybaldwin.me
all tony, all the time

Debian repository: no updates for PygreSQL package

[Loren Dvid]

Hello,
In debian 6.0 and 7.0 the latest stable version of PygreSQL package is 4.0
http://www.pygresql.org/contents/changelog.html
This version is from 2009. The newest stable version is 5.0.2
Why the repository is not being updated?