Re: Emacs 23?

2016-06-09 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 12:26:46AM -0700, John Conover wrote:

> Can Debian Wheezy 7.x Emacs 23 be installed in Debian Jessie 8.x?

Yes, it seems so.

> Anyone tried this?

Yes, just tried that on a jessie chroot using both wheezy and jessie
lines in sources.list and it worked.

However, be careful with sysvinit and apt if you don't want to install
sysvinit. sysvinit is essential in wheezy and apt mixes the essential
flag for all available distributions in sources.list:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216768

[ I call this a misfeature, but apt authors disagree ].

Thanks.



Emacs 23?

2016-06-09 Thread John Conover

Can Debian Wheezy 7.x Emacs 23 be installed in Debian Jessie 8.x?

Anyone tried this?

Thanks,

John

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Re: Why had emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-05-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-05-01 04:46 +0200, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 On Sun, 01 May 2011 02:21:25 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I'm still running squeeze.  For some reason, when I run emacs now, it
 dieplays all my C and C++ files with a variable-width font, in which the
 indentations I've been using have become microscopic.  What's more,
 carefully counted-out ASCII tables and diagrams have become unreadable.
 
 Why is this?  Why has this nonsense been inflicted on programmers?  What
 can I do about it?  Why should it even be necessary to do anything,
 considering that emacs is presumably maintained by programmers?
 
 -- hendrik

 Actually, the ugliness is just there when I start it from the command 
 line.  Starting from the Debian menu programs-applications-editors-
emacs23 (x11) it works fine.  As does programs-applications-editors-
emacs23 (text), which starts up in an xterm.

 So why should running it from the command line in an xterm be different?

Probably due to Xresources starting with emacs.  If you invoke Emacs
as emacs it does read those, but it ignores them when started under a
different name (the menu invokes Emacs as emacs23).  What does 
xrdb -query | grep -i emacs print?

Sven


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Why had emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-04-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm still running squeeze.  For some reason, when I run emacs now, it 
dieplays all my C and C++ files with a variable-width font, in which the 
indentations I've been using have become microscopic.  What's more, 
carefully counted-out ASCII tables and diagrams have become unreadable.

Why is this?  Why has this nonsense been inflicted on programmers?  What 
can I do about it?  Why should it even be necessary to do anything, 
considering that emacs is presumably maintained by programmers?

-- hendrik


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Re: Why has emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-04-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 01 May 2011 02:21:25 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I'm still running squeeze.  For some reason, when I run emacs now, it
 dieplays all my C and C++ files with a variable-width font, in which the
 indentations I've been using have become microscopic.  What's more,
 carefully counted-out ASCII tables and diagrams have become unreadable.
 
 Why is this?  Why has this nonsense been inflicted on programmers?  What
 can I do about it?  Why should it even be necessary to do anything,
 considering that emacs is presumably maintained by programmers?
 
 -- hendrik

Directory listings no longer line up, and are that much more unreadable.

Am I going to have to change to vi?

-- hendrik


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Re: Why had emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-04-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 01 May 2011 02:21:25 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I'm still running squeeze.  For some reason, when I run emacs now, it
 dieplays all my C and C++ files with a variable-width font, in which the
 indentations I've been using have become microscopic.  What's more,
 carefully counted-out ASCII tables and diagrams have become unreadable.
 
 Why is this?  Why has this nonsense been inflicted on programmers?  What
 can I do about it?  Why should it even be necessary to do anything,
 considering that emacs is presumably maintained by programmers?
 
 -- hendrik

Actually, the ugliness is just there when I start it from the command 
line.  Starting from the Debian menu programs-applications-editors-
emacs23 (x11) it works fine.  As does programs-applications-editors-
emacs23 (text), which starts up in an xterm.

So why should running it from the command line in an xterm be different?

-- hendrik


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Re: Why had emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-04-30 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 02:21:25AM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 I'm still running squeeze.  For some reason, when I run emacs now, it 
 dieplays all my C and C++ files with a variable-width font, in which the 
 indentations I've been using have become microscopic.  What's more, 
 carefully counted-out ASCII tables and diagrams have become unreadable.
 
 Why is this?  Why has this nonsense been inflicted on programmers?  What 
 can I do about it?  Why should it even be necessary to do anything, 
 considering that emacs is presumably maintained by programmers?

This is possibly due to the default font setting. You can choose a
monospace font and have all the goodness you wished for. For instance,
the following works for me in my .emacs, but YMMV.

(setq running-emacs-23 ( emacs-major-version 22))
(if running-emacs-23
(progn (set-default-font Monospace-7)))

Kumar
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Re: Why has emacs 23 become so ugly?

2011-04-30 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2011-05-01T02:35:30Z * Hendrik Boom wrote:

 Directory listings no longer line up, and are that much more
 unreadable.

I think it's because ls command have changed its default date and time
format to locale and some locales don't not return fixed-width
strings. Here's the fix to add in your .emacs file:

(setenv TIME_STYLE long-iso)


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