Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
James Sinnamon wrote: Thanks everyone for all your ideas. My previously unmanageable Mail directory will be manageable again very soon, but right now I will be putting it on hold until I get my own Mailman server working. Some further questions (feel welcome to post any response to debian-user): On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:17 pm, John Summerfield wrote: Better, turn on Kmail's expiration processing. Where do I find this? What sub-menu? Does it allow me the option of putting e-mails into an archive, or does it just purge them? Choose a folder Click Folder on the menu bar, choose properties. Read the form. I think it gets plonked. You can also get the dialogue by right-clicking the folder. Somewhere else, you get to choose _when_ it expires. Probably you don't want it asking silly questions all the time, or having to wait an hour or two:-) -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
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:0
* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
{
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-openoffice/
With a little care, you might replace all of the latter with one
recipe:
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-\/@lists\.debian\.org
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-${MATCH}/
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Incoming from James Sinnamon:
Karsten and others,
Firstly, thank you all for the responses.
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:35 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon
snip/
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
Procmail, or its equivalents.
snip/
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:32 pm, S.D.A. wrote:
What I do, is use a nice little utility called archivemail and set it up
I take it that archivemail can handle mail folders and files which are
I don't know what he uses for archiving mail, but a shell script
wrapped around gzip that appends mail to a gzip archive works well.
cron runs mine:
--
PATH=/usr/bin:/bin
MAILDIR=/home/keeling/Mail
YEAR=$(date '+%Y')
for f in abuse headhunters headhunter_reply procmail root spamcop-reports spam; do
if [ -e ${MAILDIR}/${f} ]; then
cat ${MAILDIR}/${f} | gzip /home/keeling/dox/archive_Mail/${YEAR}_Mail_${f}.gz
sleep 2
sync ; sync ; sync
echo ${0}: archived ${f} to: \$HOME/dox/archive_Mail/${YEAR}_Mail_${f}.gz
cat /dev/null ${MAILDIR}/${f}
fi
done
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Dear List,
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
I had thought of splitting the {HOME}/Mail into two and
run a second instance of Kmail, with a different profile,
to handle the mailing lists, but KMail doesn't seem to allow
for this as far as I can tell (perhaps for some good reason).
What you want is procmail (or a similar utility).
There's a long history of tools in 'Nix for managing email. Filtering
stuff to mailboxes by various criteria is only one side of it.
My own procmail recipies:
- Add some useful headers to mail
- Filter list mail to folders.
- Deal with some high-priority mail (goes straight to my inbox).
- Keeps track of senders who are on white or grey lists (or a couple
of others).
- Handles spam with the addition of spamassassin.
You can do all sorts of stuff, including forwarding mail, executing
programs, and whatnot. The syntax is slighly (ok, very) arcane, but
powerful.
There's a good set of prepared recipies in the spamtools package,
based on Lars Wirzenius's procmail filters. Do *not* enable the
autoreply feature, but learn from the rest of it.
My own filters run over 24 files and 2000 lines, though most of it I
don't have to mess with (actually, splitting it into that many files
makes it easier to handle).
A small portion of my list management rules follows. It handles my
Debian list mail. The first rule identifies the lists globally, the
subsequent rules apply *only* to mail meeting the first, and drops mail
into the appropriate folder.
:0
* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
{
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-openoffice/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-qa/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-private/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-changes/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-policy/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-(admintool|devel)@lists.debian.org
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-devel/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-user/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bugs/
# Debian Laptop
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-laptop/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-security/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-pilot/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-devel/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-firewall/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-python/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-testing/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bugs/
:0:
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$INBOX
# Catch-all
:0:
$INBOX
}
Peace.
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Dear List,
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
I had thought of splitting the {HOME}/Mail into two and
run a second instance of Kmail, with a different profile,
to handle the mailing lists, but KMail doesn't seem to allow
for this as far as I can tell (perhaps for some good reason).
What you want is procmail (or a similar utility).
Better, turn on Kmail's expiration processing.
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
on Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:05:10AM -0600, s. keeling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Incoming from Karsten M. Self:
:0
* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
{
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-openoffice/
With a little care, you might replace all of the latter with one
recipe:
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-\/@lists\.debian\.org
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-${MATCH}/
Nick Moffitt's posted a similar recipie which matches on pretty much all
the common (and otherwise) list serv software headers, and
automagickally filters the mail accordingly. Pretty slick, all told.
But I drive stick.
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
on Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:49:25PM +1000, James Sinnamon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten and others, Firstly, thank you all for the responses. NP. On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:35 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon snip/ So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go? Procmail, or its equivalents. ... Of course you would be aware that Kmail's filtering capabilities can do something similar to what is done above. Do you use procmail instead of, or as a complement to, a GUI e-mail client such as Kmail? The difference is this: - If you use KMail's filtering tools, when you decide to switch to another mail client (permanently or temporarially), you lose the filtering. - If you use procmail, your filters are independent of your mailer. I can access my mail with mutt, balsa, kmail, evolution, or the shell. Procmail doesn't care. This is the advantage of proper scoping and modularization of tools. It's a powerful concept. I take it that archivemail can handle mail folders and files which are already broken down in to sub-folders, such as mine, some of which are shown below? Procmail reads messages from stdin. Generally as the mail is delivered. So that when you open your mail client, the mail is filtered and waiting for you. You can also (re)filter existing mailboxes by various means. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? GNOME (and real UI developers) READ THIS: http://use.perl.org/~btilly/journal/18678 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:49:25PM +1000, James Sinnamon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten and others, Firstly, thank you all for the responses. NP. On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:35 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon snip/ So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go? Procmail, or its equivalents. ... Of course you would be aware that Kmail's filtering capabilities can do something similar to what is done above. Do you use procmail instead of, or as a complement to, a GUI e-mail client such as Kmail? The difference is this: - If you use KMail's filtering tools, when you decide to switch to another mail client (permanently or temporarially), you lose the filtering. It's a standard kmail feature. Most people do not want to come to terms with procmail: I've used it, I had some pretty fancy filters that could spot most mailing lists, even those I'd never seen before, and drop the email into the appropriate folder, creating it if necessary. Of course, if I changed email client I'd have to change those filters too, because the email folder format would likely be different. Now I have an IMAP email service where per-user procmail filters are not possible. At the time I was using procmail, using it with kmail was unsafe - the authors said so. - If you use procmail, your filters are independent of your mailer. I can access my mail with mutt, balsa, kmail, evolution, or the shell. Procmail doesn't care. This is the advantage of proper scoping and modularization of tools. It's a powerful concept. Procmail is fine for handling email at the time of delivery. In this case, the email's already in the folders.Kmail folders. Kmail can expire old email, all by itself. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Dear List,
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
I had thought of splitting the {HOME}/Mail into two and
run a second instance of Kmail, with a different profile,
to handle the mailing lists, but KMail doesn't seem to allow
for this as far as I can tell (perhaps for some good reason).
TIA,
James
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000 or thereabouts, James Sinnamon wrote:
Dear List,
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
I had thought of splitting the {HOME}/Mail into two and
run a second instance of Kmail, with a different profile,
to handle the mailing lists, but KMail doesn't seem to allow
for this as far as I can tell (perhaps for some good reason).
What I do, is use a nice little utility called archivemail and set it up via
CRON to archive my mail folders (mbox) at least once a month. Then I use another
utility called grepmail which can search both my active mboxes and the
compressed archived mail.
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Incoming from S.D.A.:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000 or thereabouts, James Sinnamon wrote:
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
Though I use and recommend mutt, it has little to do with this problem.
What I do, is use a nice little utility called archivemail and set it up via
CRON to archive my mail folders (mbox) at least once a month. Then I use another
utility called grepmail which can search both my active mboxes and the
compressed archived mail.
I do all that too. However, for the OP, it might be simpler to just
not archive mailing list mail. You're duplicating lists.debian.org.
If it's all out there in a searchable archive, why do you also need it
on your box?
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 09:23:20AM -0600 or thereabouts, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from S.D.A.: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000 or thereabouts, James Sinnamon wrote: snip So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go? Though I use and recommend mutt, it has little to do with this problem. What I do, is use a nice little utility called archivemail and set it up via CRON to archive my mail folders (mbox) at least once a month. Then I use another utility called grepmail which can search both my active mboxes and the compressed archived mail. I do all that too. However, for the OP, it might be simpler to just not archive mailing list mail. You're duplicating lists.debian.org. If it's all out there in a searchable archive, why do you also need it on your box? Good point. Personally, I prefer to have an archive locally as opposed to online, for those occasional times, one can't reach the 'net. -- Steve + Sunday Jul 11 2004 12:26:01 PM EDT + pgp1sjNAWyeCA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 09:23:20AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: ... I do all that too. However, for the OP, it might be simpler to just not archive mailing list mail. You're duplicating lists.debian.org. If it's all out there in a searchable archive, why do you also need it on your box? The letters I hold on to typically have some info I figure I may want/need later. I could see holding those locally since searching them can be much easier/faster than anything online (including Google). If the OP holds ALL the list mail, then I see that as a waste of space, and agree with your assessment. Time for me to look at those tools... heheh. Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Dear List,
My ${HOME}/Mail directory is currently nearly 350 Megs in size.
A lot of it is due to high volume mailing lists such as debian-user
(48 Meg so far), and this can only get much worse as I join more
and more high volume lists.
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
Procmail, or its equivalents.
There's a long, long tradition of tools in 'Nix to automate filtering
(and other processing) of email. Procmail is one of the traditional
tools for doing this. You can even start with some largely configured
scripts by installing the spamfilter package (based on Lars Wirzenius's
procmail recipies).
At its simplest, procmail allows you to direct mail into appropriate
buckets by mailing list. I use mine to additionally:
- Filter duplicate messages
- Filter spam
- Filter out blacklisted addresses/domains
- Add various headers to mail
It runs to 24 files and 2700+ lines, most of which is largely stock.
Sounds intimidating, but works pretty damned well, and rarely needs
tweaking. Primary exeptions are the list rules as I subscribe to new
mailing lists (and there are ways to largely automate this, if you trust
headers).
A small section of my own list.rules file, handling Debian mailing
lists, looks like the following. Basically, it says if this was a
Debian list mail..., then tests for various list signatures and drops
the mail into an appropriate box:
* (^TO)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bad/
:0
* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
{
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-openoffice/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-qa/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-private/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-changes/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-policy/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-(admintool|devel)@lists.debian.org
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-devel/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-user/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bugs/
# Debian Laptop
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-laptop/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-security/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-pilot/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-devel/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-firewall/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-python/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-testing/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bugs/
:0:
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$INBOX
# Catch-all
:0:
$INBOX
}
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Re: OT: Managing huge Mail/ folders (with mutt?)
Karsten and others,
Firstly, thank you all for the responses.
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:35 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:18:55PM +1000, James Sinnamon
snip/
So could anyone tell me how they handle ever growing Mail
folders? Perhaps 'mutt' is the way to go?
Procmail, or its equivalents.
snip/
A small section of my own list.rules file, handling Debian mailing
lists, looks like the following. Basically, it says if this was a
Debian list mail..., then tests for various list signatures and drops
the mail into an appropriate box:
* (^TO)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-bad/
:0
* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
{
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-openoffice/
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$LISTDIR/Debian/debian-qa/
snip/
:0:
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
* 1^0 (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$INBOX
# Catch-all
:0:
$INBOX
}
Thanks for the explanation of procmail and the example.
Of course you would be aware that Kmail's filtering capabilities
can do something similar to what is done above. Do you use procmail
instead of, or as a complement to, a GUI e-mail client such as Kmail?
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:32 pm, S.D.A. wrote:
What I do, is use a nice little utility called archivemail and set it up
via CRON to archive my mail folders (mbox) at least once a month. Then I
use another utility called grepmail which can search both my active
mboxes and the compressed archived mail.
I take it that archivemail can handle mail folders and files which are
already broken down in to sub-folders, such as mine, some of which
are shown below?
---
me:Mail$ find .
.
./inbox
./.inbox.index
./outbox
./.outbox.index
./sent-mail
./.sent-mail.index
./trash
./.trash.index
./drafts
./.drafts.index
...
./.lists.directory
...
./.lists.directory/zope
./.lists.directory/zope/new
./.lists.directory/zope/cur
./.lists.directory/zope/cur/1084688626.13214.23Wk:2,S
./.lists.directory/zope/cur/1084707019.13214.qrEX:2,S
...
./.lists.directory/zope/cur/1087378026.2080.H4Yb:2,S
./.lists.directory/zope/tmp
./.lists.directory/.zope.index
./.lists.directory/.zope.index.ids
...
./.lists.directory/debian-user
./.lists.directory/debian-user/new
./.lists.directory/debian-user/cur
./.lists.directory/debian-user/cur/1085365323.1786.Ui0D:2,S
./.lists.directory/debian-user/cur/1085365323.1786.Ejn3:2,S
...
./.djvm.index.sorted
./.srec.index.sorted
./.tmp.index.sorted
---
Thanks again all,
regards,
James
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I've set up my Bayesian filter to scan two shared IMAP folders for ham and spam. Using evolution, when I get spam, I can just Move it to the shared spam folder and that's that. However, in mutt, I can't seem to access shared IMAP folders. So what can I do to move spam in there? I know that people usually use Bounce in mutt for spam filtering, but as the folder is a shared folder and not an actual account, I can't do that. Any suggestions? TIA. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Shared IMAP folders in Mutt
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:44:37PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: I've set up my Bayesian filter to scan two shared IMAP folders for ham and spam. Using evolution, when I get spam, I can just Move it to the shared spam folder and that's that. However, in mutt, I can't seem to access shared IMAP folders. So what can I do to move spam in there? I Tag the messages and save them to the IMAP folder? I haven't tried this, but it seems it should work. Note the mutt syntax for imap access imap://user@imap.server/INBOX See the mutt docs for more details and possible IMAP problems. Or maybe I'm completely missing your question? know that people usually use Bounce in mutt for spam filtering, but as the folder is a shared folder and not an actual account, I can't do I just save them to a folder in my home directory. that. Any suggestions? TIA. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 -- Chris Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- GNU/Linux --- The best things in life are free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shared IMAP folders in Mutt
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 15:17, CW Harris wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:44:37PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: I've set up my Bayesian filter to scan two shared IMAP folders for ham and spam. Using evolution, when I get spam, I can just Move it to the shared spam folder and that's that. However, in mutt, I can't seem to access shared IMAP folders. So what can I do to move spam in there? I Tag the messages and save them to the IMAP folder? I haven't tried this, but it seems it should work. Note the mutt syntax for imap access imap://user@imap.server/INBOX Well, you didn't solve the problem outright but you got me looking in the right direction at least. :) I decided to actually look at my Maildir by hand, and what do I see inside but a directory called shared-folders. Apparently when I subscribed to the shared folders via Evolution, the appropriate folders were made within my Maildir. So now it's just a matter of copying the files over into =shared-folders/Bayes/IsSpam and I'm all set. Thanks! :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Folders in Mutt
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 01:02:13PM -0700, Paul Mackinney wrote: - Nothing ever gets put in my /var/spool/mail/username mbox file, it all gets diverted to one of the mboxes listed. The only bummer is that my mailcheck at login always says no mail... because I haven't booked up on the consequences of hacking my MAIL_DIR variable or the default login behavior. I've considered replacing /var/spool/mail/username with a symlink to ~/Mail/inbox, but since it ain't broken... instead of the mailcheck thing, if you use procmail you can use mailstat instead: $ mailstat ~/path/to/logfile Total Number Folder - -- -- 67964 6 JUNK-O-RAMA 2649 2 cron 1304826 442 debian-user 2835 1 domain-dontuthink.com 469406 3 easyDXFtype 24138 4 gunk 27406 10 mperl 395912 134 pg-general 20556 26 root 2759 2 serensoft 2221 1 webmaster-serensoft.com - -- 2538441 684 it'll tell how how many (after how much!) went into each folder, thanks to procmail. (of course, mailstat COMES with procmail; i.e. apt-get install procmail to get it.) or if you're sick of procmail, you can use the much more friendly exim filters (~/.forward files starting with '# Exim filter') instead, as long as you log correctly: # Exim filter logfile $home/path/to/logfile 0600 # ... if some condition then deliver SomeFolderOrOther logwrite From $return_path $tod_log\n Subject: $h_subject:\n Folder: SomeFolderOrOther\t\t\t $message_size elif another condition then # ... -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #79 from USM Bish [EMAIL PROTECTED] : When using a display manager (xdm, kdm, gdm) are your SHELL DEFAULTS IGNORED IN X? Just add 'source /etc/profile' to ~/.bashrc... or duplicate /etc/profile in ~/.profile Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: follow-up to my queries on folders in mutt
Sam Varghese muttered: thanks to those who responded to my query about getting folders organised in mutt. i now actually have folders - though i can only save manually. ideally, i would like all read material to go into a folder once i log out. i also found that some of the syntax which i came across in .muttrc files on the web does not do what it is supposed to. i use mutt to download and read my mail with exim doing the smtp bit. i wanted to automate the mail checks but the syntax set pop_checkinterval=60 doesn't appear to be valid. i am using version 1.2.5i on potato. sam -- Sam, Did you try a .forward file? Exim downloads my mail and put's in the mailboxes I specify. Also, check out the contents of /etc/cron and the /etc/cron.d folder, this is where automatic mail checking is scheduled. -- Paul Mackinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
follow-up to my queries on folders in mutt
thanks to those who responded to my query about getting folders organised in mutt. i now actually have folders - though i can only save manually. ideally, i would like all read material to go into a folder once i log out. i also found that some of the syntax which i came across in .muttrc files on the web does not do what it is supposed to. i use mutt to download and read my mail with exim doing the smtp bit. i wanted to automate the mail checks but the syntax set pop_checkinterval=60 doesn't appear to be valid. i am using version 1.2.5i on potato. sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com
Folders in Mutt
I am a newbie to mutt - after flirting with a dozen or more GUI mail programs. I have managed to configure most of what I want in mutt but the setting up of folders just beats me. I'd like to have a few folders into which I can move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. I'd appreciate feedback from any mutt user on this list. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com
Re: Folders in Mutt
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:37:57PM +1000, Sam Varghese wrote: I am a newbie to mutt - after flirting with a dozen or more GUI mail programs. I have managed to configure most of what I want in mutt but the setting up of folders just beats me. I'd like to have a few folders into which I can move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. Either use procmail (as I do) or use mbox-hooks. The difference is, that procmail sorts everything in the right folder before you see it and mbox-hooks after that. I'd appreciate feedback from any mutt user on this list. greetz Stephen Rueger -- Registered Linux User #205361 (http://counter.li.org)
Re: Folders in Mutt
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:37:57PM +1000, Sam Varghese wrote: I am a newbie to mutt - after flirting with a dozen or more GUI mail programs. I have managed to configure most of what I want in mutt but the setting up of folders just beats me. I'd like to have a few folders into which I can move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. I have a fairly basic Mutt setup. If I want to save a message to a folder I just press s, then the name of the folder. Folders are all under ~/mail/ If the folder doesn't exist, it asks whether it should create it. I've included the relevant bits of my .muttrc below, the mailboxes line sets which mailboxes/folders will be checked for new mail. There are lots of web sites around with good examples of .muttrc files. I'm sure someone will chime in with URLs. To automatically sort the mail when it is received, I use procmail, but there are better people on the list to explain procmail setup. HTH Bec --- .muttrc --- set tmpdir=~/tmp # directory for temporary files set folder=~/mail # directory with all mail folders set postponed=~/mail/postponed-msgs set alias_file=~/.mutt.aliases source ~/.mutt.aliases folder-hook . set sort=mailbox-order folder-hook debian- set sort=threads folder-hook systers set sort=threads mailboxes ! =rootmail =debian-announce =debian-news =flite =systers-students =systers =debian-devel =debian-user =auscert ## ## VARIABLES: ## set confirmcreate # set: prompt for confirmation on creation of folders ---
Re: Folders in Mutt
Quoting Sam Varghese on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:37:57PM +1000: I am a newbie to mutt - after flirting with a dozen or more GUI mail programs. I have managed to configure most of what I want in mutt but the setting up of folders just beats me. I'd like to have a few folders into which I can move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. I'd appreciate feedback from any mutt user on this list. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi- I do a few different things with mutt. One is to manage multiple POP email accounts inside one set of files. My main way of moving mail is to use procmail recipes to move mail into associated files. Then one can write mbox-hook commands in a .muttrc file to manage those files. One thing I do is use mbox-hooks to move read mail in mailing lists to an oldmail directory and then purge those old files after a set time goes by. One can do all of the above with a variable set of folder-hooks and mbox-hook files. A good resource for muttrc's and mutt in general is www.mutt.org and check out folks' different muttrc files. Another good one is www.dotfile.org I believe. It contains various and sundry dotfiles for preview or download. -- Michael Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders in Mutt
Sam I am no expert with mutt, but I use the 's' command to save to a mailbox. After hitting s, mutt prompts with the name of a mailbox and I can then change it if I want to. The relevant entries in my ~/.muttrc are: # Set the directory in which mailboxes will be saved set folder=~/mail # Save all outgoing mail to sent-mail under ~/mail set record=+sent-mail # Send a copy of mails sent to domain innovation-tk.com to mailbox itk fcc-hookinnovation-tk.com +itk # Save mails sent from domain innovation-tk.com to mailbox itk save-hook innovation-tk.com +itk Hope this helps Regards -- William Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders in Mutt
David Turetsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To copy mail into a folder (does not overwrite existing mail in that folder), just depress C and specify the folder to the resulting dialog when viewing that piece of mail, or from the index To just save the folder copy, depress d, then follow same sequence -- 8--- (snip) There's no need for this - simply use 's', and it will save the message to the folder you choose, *and* delete the one in your inbox (or wherever). One useful option when saving is the '?' - it allows you to browse the folders in your mail directory, making saving to the right place far easier. It should be noted that this doesn't seem to work with IMAP folders (at least I haven't managed it yet!)
Re: Folders in Mutt
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:37:57PM +1000, Sam Varghese muttered: Sam Sam I am a newbie to mutt - after flirting with a Sam dozen or more GUI mail programs. Sam Sam I have managed to configure most of what I want in Sam mutt but the setting up of folders just beats me. Sam Sam I'd like to have a few folders into which I can Sam move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to Sam go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. Sam Sam I'd appreciate feedback from any mutt user on this Sam list. Sam To copy mail into a folder (does not overwrite existing mail in that folder), just depress C and specify the folder to the resulting dialog when viewing that piece of mail, or from the index To just save the folder copy, depress d, then follow same sequence I'm still coming up to speed on mutt myself, but the more I use it, the more I enjoy it. I just about totally abandoned Outlook Express in Windows a week ago as I've been able to expand my knowledge of mutt. Press F1 for full documentation, then use your editor's search function to explore different features. The list is also very helpful -- David -
Re: Folders in Mutt
Sam Varghese muttered: I'd like to have a few folders into which I can move mail after reading but if the mail supposed to go there does so automatically I wouldn't mind either. - My system is essentially single user, right now I'm only checking one POP3 account for incoming mail. I use exim to forward local mail to my user account (root, webmaster, etc. all go to my Linux username) and to send outgoing mail to my ISP's SMTP server. - Fetchmail gets my POP3 mail, here are the files I had to set up: # ~/.fetchmailrc these settings mean that when I log in as username, # I can just type 'fetchmail' to poll my pop3 account. poll pop3server.myisp.com proto pop3 user pmackinney is username # end of file # /etc/cron.d/fetchmail: crontab fragment for fetchmail # Run queue every 15 minutes 08,23,38,53 * * * * username /usr/bin/fetchmail # end of file Because of exim fetchmail, I don't check mail with mutt directly at all, it's just a reader. The 'c' command to change mbox will default to the next mbox that has mail, the list of mboxes that it checks are set up in your muttrc file. I was able to edit this file and do all kinds of neat stuff: /usr/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc.gz - Here's the .forward file that sorts my incoming mail before I see it. I got the example from someone else on this list. THANKS! # Exim filter make sure your .forward file starts like this! if error_message then finish elif $h_Resent-Sender: contains debian then save $home/Mail/deb.inbox elif $h_From: contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then save $home/Mail/admin elif $h_List-Id: contains Bay Area Debian then save $home/Mail/bad.inbox elif $h_Reply-To: contains linux-beta then save $home/Mail/rcl.inbox else save $home/Mail/inbox endif # end of file - Nothing ever gets put in my /var/spool/mail/username mbox file, it all gets diverted to one of the mboxes listed. The only bummer is that my mailcheck at login always says no mail... because I haven't booked up on the consequences of hacking my MAIL_DIR variable or the default login behavior. I've considered replacing /var/spool/mail/username with a symlink to ~/Mail/inbox, but since it ain't broken... HTH, Paul
Re: Folders in Mutt
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 01:02:13PM -0700, Paul Mackinney wrote: - My system is essentially single user, right now I'm only checking one POP3 account for incoming mail. I use exim to forward local mail to my user account (root, webmaster, etc. all go to my Linux username) and to send outgoing mail to my ISP's SMTP server. - Fetchmail gets my POP3 mail, here are the files I had to set up: Thanks very much to all those who responded to my query. I'm floored by the response - I'm new to this list and the others I subscribe to are rather soporific, to put it mildly. I'll experiment with my muttrc over the weekend and report back. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com
Re: folders and mutt
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 11:49:12PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote: On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:47:09PM -0500, Ashley Clark wrote: Procmail has a lot of flexibility and if you want I'll send you my procmail rules which do neat things like eliminating duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers and fix archaic PGP message formats (---BEGIN PGP MESSAGE--- ... ---END ...---) Sure if you don't mind, I'd like that. /lurk so would i! I get to like mutt more and more every day. Me too. me too!
Re: folders and mutt
On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote: Hello list I wanted to know how to most easily use folders in mutt. It'd be even better if that would include the use of procmail. I am still a mutt beginner. I have used procmail a bit though. It's also helpful to know that mutt used tab completion for both folders and addresses (something I stumbled on without realizing a couple of times). To move a post to a folder, type s=, and the start of the folder name, say debi, and tab out. You'll get the unique completion if it exists, else a list of possible folders from which you can choose. Saves typing and remembering. Similar feature works with your alias file on sender, cc, and bcc recipients. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgp3DJqBLPE4l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: folders and mutt
On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 10:13:18AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: It's also helpful to know that mutt used tab completion for both folders and addresses (something I stumbled on without realizing a couple of Yes, that is neat. As a bash user who makes excessive use of this feature on the CLI, I found out quickly. :) times). To move a post to a folder, type s=, and the start of the I didnt know that though. Thanks. Mutt is a nice mail agent, I like it. -- S. Burgener Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
Re: folders and mutt
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:47:09PM -0500, Ashley Clark wrote: [snip-snip] :0: * ^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^X-Loop: debian-\/[EMAIL PROTECTED] $DEBIAN/$MATCH In the above regex, does the [EMAIL PROTECTED] part match anything not starting with an '@', correct? What follows doesn't matter, right? Thanks a lot -- S. Burgener Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
Re: folders and mutt
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:47:09PM -0500, Ashley Clark wrote: * man 5 muttrc | spoolfile Thanks, that's precisely what I needed. You can save your procmail logfile into a .procmail directory off your $HOME: Done that, it's now out of the way if you so like. :) You can also do this little trick in your .procmailrc: MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail DEBIAN=$MAILDIR/debian :0: * ^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^X-Loop: debian-\/[EMAIL PROTECTED] $DEBIAN/$MATCH Now, that's just _neat_ as can be. Thanks! Procmail has a lot of flexibility and if you want I'll send you my procmail rules which do neat things like eliminating duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers and fix archaic PGP message formats (---BEGIN PGP MESSAGE--- ... ---END ...---) Sure if you don't mind, I'd like that. I get to like mutt more and more every day. Me too. :) Thanks tons for your help, good stuff. -- S. Burgener Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
Re: folders and mutt
On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 11:25:43PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: Put all your mail somewhere like a ~/mail directory; then tell procmail (or an exim filter) to put inbox mail in ~/mail/inbox, and your other folders are stored as files in ~/mail. You can subdivide folders into groups by using subdirectories. Done so. I also added the following to my .procmailrc: DEFAULT=$HOME/Mail/mbox This way, my $MAIL file is never greater than 0 bytes - all mail gets moved out of there. Now, as mutt reads $MAIL by default, I would like to know how to change this behaviour. I tried zgrep'ing /usr/dox/mutt for this, but have not found anything. ($MAIL is /var/spool/mail/svn) I dont want to *not* use procmail's DEFAULT as my default inbox is ~/Mail/mbox and not ~/mbox as mutt suggests. (Even if I did use ~/mbox, I'd still have to press 'y' instead of just hitting Enter which is annoying :)) 'c' in mutt changes from one folder to another. Have a look at the 'mailboxes' .muttrc command to designate several folders as ones in which you expect to receive incoming mail, then hitting 'c' will select the next folder with new mail by default. For this, I have the following in my .muttrc: mailboxes $HOME/Mail/mbox mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-user mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-isp mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-firewall mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-user-de Funnily tho, when hitting TAB, I get a listing of the _directory_ ~/Mail. This way I also see my procmail logfile which I don't want to see when I browse through my mails; besides I didn't add it to my mailboxes in .muttrc... Isn't this weird or am I just doing something fundamentally wrong here? :) I get to like mutt more and more every day. TIA Sven -- Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
Re: folders and mutt
* Sven Burgener in Re: folders and mutt dated 2000/06/19 20:33 wrote: On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 11:25:43PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: Put all your mail somewhere like a ~/mail directory; then tell procmail (or an exim filter) to put inbox mail in ~/mail/inbox, and your other folders are stored as files in ~/mail. You can subdivide folders into groups by using subdirectories. Done so. I also added the following to my .procmailrc: DEFAULT=$HOME/Mail/mbox Now, as mutt reads $MAIL by default, I would like to know how to change this behaviour. * man 5 muttrc | spoolfile | Type: path | Default: | | If your spool mailbox is in a non-default place where Mutt | cannot find it, you can specify its location with this variable. | Mutt will automatically set this variable to the value of the | environment variable MAIL if it is not set. 'c' in mutt changes from one folder to another. Have a look at the 'mailboxes' .muttrc command to designate several folders as ones in which you expect to receive incoming mail, then hitting 'c' will select the next folder with new mail by default. For this, I have the following in my .muttrc: mailboxes $HOME/Mail/mbox mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-user mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-isp mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-firewall mailboxes $HOME/Mail/debian-user-de You can also specify this in your .muttrc: set folder=~/Mail mailboxes ! +mbox +debian-user +debian-isp +debian-etc ... Funnily tho, when hitting TAB, I get a listing of the _directory_ ~/Mail. This way I also see my procmail logfile which I don't want to see when I browse through my mails; besides I didn't add it to my mailboxes in .muttrc... Isn't this weird or am I just doing something fundamentally wrong here? :) You can save your procmail logfile into a .procmail directory off your $HOME: PROCMAILDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PROCMAILDIR/procmail.log You can also do this little trick in your .procmailrc: MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail DEBIAN=$MAILDIR/debian :0: * ^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^X-Loop: debian-\/[EMAIL PROTECTED] $DEBIAN/$MATCH To automatically split any [EMAIL PROTECTED] emails to $HOME/Mail/debian/* Procmail has a lot of flexibility and if you want I'll send you my procmail rules which do neat things like eliminating duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers and fix archaic PGP message formats (---BEGIN PGP MESSAGE--- ... ---END ...---) I get to like mutt more and more every day. Me too. -- Ashley Clark GCS/M d- s:-- a-- C++$ UL$ P L+++ E W++ N+ o K++ w O M V-- PS+(++) PE(++) Y+ PGP++(+++) t* 5+ X+ R* tv b+ DI++ D G e* h* r++ y+ finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for GPG public keyhttp://ghoti.org/ pgpuqPH0TTu4Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
folders and mutt
Hello list I wanted to know how to most easily use folders in mutt. It'd be even better if that would include the use of procmail. I am still a mutt beginner. I have used procmail a bit though. TIA Sven -- Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2
Re: folders and mutt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to know how to most easily use folders in mutt. It'd be even better if that would include the use of procmail. I am still a mutt beginner. I have used procmail a bit though. Put all your mail somewhere like a ~/mail directory; then tell procmail (or an exim filter) to put inbox mail in ~/mail/inbox, and your other folders are stored as files in ~/mail. You can subdivide folders into groups by using subdirectories. 'c' in mutt changes from one folder to another. Have a look at the 'mailboxes' .muttrc command to designate several folders as ones in which you expect to receive incoming mail, then hitting 'c' will select the next folder with new mail by default. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
