Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-23 Thread Graham
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:07:41 +0800
Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar umarz...@gmail.com wrote:

 i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
 iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

There isn't an iceweasel package in Backports, so you're stuck with
the one in Lenny... unless you want to backport it yourself from
debian source packages found in Sid or Testing (doable, but not easy for
the novice). Either stick with what you have in Lenny or just get the
Firefox tarball from Mozilla, extract it into your home directory (or
put it in /opt and link to it from /usr/local/bin), then run it from
there. Putting it in your home directory will mean that it'll be easy
for it to auto-update.


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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-23 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2010/1/23 Graham savagebiscu...@googlemail.com

 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:07:41 +0800
 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar umarz...@gmail.com wrote:

  i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
  iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

 There isn't an iceweasel package in Backports, so you're stuck with
 the one in Lenny... unless you want to backport it yourself from
 debian source packages found in Sid or Testing (doable, but not easy for
 the novice). Either stick with what you have in Lenny or just get the
 Firefox tarball from Mozilla, extract it into your home directory (or
 put it in /opt and link to it from /usr/local/bin), then run it from
 there. Putting it in your home directory will mean that it'll be easy
 for it to auto-update.


my mistake, the package is for amd64 and powerpc
http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backportssearchon=nameskeywords=iceweasel



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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-23 Thread Graham
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:13:26 +0800
Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com wrote:

 my mistake, the package is for amd64 and powerpc
 http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backportssearchon=nameskeywords=iceweasel

No, it's my mistake. I didn't properly check with the Debian packages
page (hadn't sipped my morning coffee ;) ), so thought that there was no
Iceweasel 3.5.6 package for any architecture.

Still, if you need the latest, you could always get the tarball from
Mozilla.


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cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar
i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

my /etc/apt/sources.list as below

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
main
deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org lenny main
deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
non-free
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free

my /etc/apt/preferences as below

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny
Pin-Priority: 200

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny-backports
Pin-Priority: 100

where is my mistake?


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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Wayne linux...@gmail.com

Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar wrote:

i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

my /etc/apt/sources.list as below

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
main
deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org lenny main
deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
non-free
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free

my /etc/apt/preferences as below

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny
Pin-Priority: 200

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny-backports
Pin-Priority: 100

where is my mistake?



aptitude install Iceweasel=3.0.6  ??

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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Wayne linux...@gmail.com

Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar wrote:

i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

my /etc/apt/sources.list as below

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
main
deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org lenny main
deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
non-free
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free

my /etc/apt/preferences as below

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny
Pin-Priority: 200

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny-backports
Pin-Priority: 100

where is my mistake?



Woops

aptitude install iceweasel=(version you want)

get the full version by doing
aptitude show iceweasel

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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-01-23 04:07 +0100, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar wrote:

 i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
 iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

Since the backport is brand new, it simply might not be available for
your architecture yet.  What does apt-cache policy iceweasel print?

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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2010/1/23 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de

 On 2010-01-23 04:07 +0100, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar wrote:

  i had enabled lenny-backports but aptitude -t lenny-backports install
  iceweasel installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

 Since the backport is brand new, it simply might not be available for
 your architecture yet.  What does apt-cache policy iceweasel print?


# apt-cache policy iceweasel
iceweasel:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 3.0.6-3
  Version table:
 3.0.6-3 0
500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
 3.0.6-1 0
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages



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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

2010-01-22 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2010/1/23 Wayne linux...@gmail.com linux...@gmail.com

 [...]

 aptitude install iceweasel=(version you want)

 get the full version by doing
 aptitude show iceweasel


# aptitude show iceweasel
Package: iceweasel
State: not installed
Version: 3.0.6-3
Priority: optional
Section: web
Maintainer: Eric Dorland e...@debian.org
Uncompressed Size: 3994k
Depends: fontconfig, psmisc, procps, debianutils (= 1.16), libc6 (=
2.7-1),
 libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (=
 2.12.0), libnspr4-0d (= 1.8.0.10), libstdc++6 (= 4.1.1),
 xulrunner-1.9 (= 1.9.0.3-1)
Suggests: xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support, latex-xft-fonts, xfonts-mathml,
  ttf-mathematica4.1, xprint, mozplugger, libkrb53
Conflicts: firefox ( 2.0+dfsg-1), iceweasel-dom-inspector ( 3.0~b4),
   mozilla-firefox ( 1.5.dfsg-1)
Replaces: firefox ( 2.0+dfsg-1), iceweasel-gnome-support (= 3.0~b5-2),
  mozilla-firefox
Provides: www-browser
Description: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
 Iceweasel is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to
Galeon,
 K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface language and
 designed to be lightweight and cross-platform.

 This browser is based on the Firefox source-code, with minor modifications.
 Historically, this browser was previously known as Firebird and Phoenix.

How come this could have happened?



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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread Michael Wagner
* green greenfreedo...@gmail.com 09.09.2009
 Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-08 15:11 -0500:
  * Michael Wagner michaeldeb...@web.de 08.09.2009
   * Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
  
  Apart from my other message you can also make it like this:
  
  settings - apps - mailto - /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt
 
 But this won't work in Lenny... mutt 1.5.18-6 does not seem to include that 
 file.

You are right, it's only included in unstable mutt (1.5.20-2), but the 
OP wrote that he works with iceweasel 3.5 which is in experimental. So 
I thought a solution for unstable is ok.

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread green
Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-09 01:10 -0500:
 * green greenfreedo...@gmail.com 09.09.2009
  Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-08 15:11 -0500:
   * Michael Wagner michaeldeb...@web.de 08.09.2009
* Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
 I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
   
   Apart from my other message you can also make it like this:
   
   settings - apps - mailto - /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt
  
  But this won't work in Lenny... mutt 1.5.18-6 does not seem to include that 
  file.
 
 You are right, it's only included in unstable mutt (1.5.20-2), but the 
 OP wrote that he works with iceweasel 3.5 which is in experimental. So 
 I thought a solution for unstable is ok.

Indeed.  I suppose there are many people here who run Lenny and use mutt and 
iceweasel; that note was for their benefit so they need not look for a file 
which does not exist (like I did).


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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* green [090909 07:51 -0500]
 Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-09 01:10 -0500:
  * green greenfreedo...@gmail.com 09.09.2009
   Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-08 15:11 -0500:
* Michael Wagner michaeldeb...@web.de 08.09.2009
 * Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
  I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript

Apart from my other message you can also make it like this:

settings - apps - mailto - /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt

This is somewhat overscripted from madduck ;-) The faxt is, that my
mutt (hg version from Mutt 1.5.20+lxtecppc (2009-08-04) doesn't
interpret neither $@ nor $[0-9]. I'll get over to mutt-dev with
this.

Thanks you all
EOT

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de [2009.09.09.1918 +0200]:
 This is somewhat overscripted from madduck ;-) The faxt is, that my
 mutt (hg version from Mutt 1.5.20+lxtecppc (2009-08-04) doesn't
 interpret neither $@ nor $[0-9]. I'll get over to mutt-dev with
 this.

I don't understand. mutt has no business with $@ or $[0-9], but
I think you are probably hit by #545876. Does the patch fix it for
you?

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* martin f krafft [090909 20:29 +0200]
 also sprach Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de [2009.09.09.1918 +0200]:
  This is somewhat overscripted from madduck ;-) The faxt is, that my
  mutt (hg version from Mutt 1.5.20+lxtecppc (2009-08-04) doesn't
  interpret neither $@ nor $[0-9]. I'll get over to mutt-dev with
  this.
 
 I don't understand. mutt has no business with $@ or $[0-9], but
 I think you are probably hit by #545876. Does the patch fix it for
 you?

No.

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de [2009.09.09.2249 +0200]:
  I don't understand. mutt has no business with $@ or $[0-9], but
  I think you are probably hit by #545876. Does the patch fix it for
  you?
 
 No.

I'll need more information then. Maybe you can isolate the entire
argument line passed to mailto-mutt (e.g.
mailto:f...@bar.com?cc=a@b.comsubject=bla…) and let me know? The
best way to get that is probably by substituting a script that just
calls   echo $@  /tmp/file

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-08 Thread Michael Wagner
* Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
 I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
 
 Shellscript:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec xterm -e mutt $@
 
 The xterm only pops up for 1 second.
 
 Any hints?

Hello Elimar,

in the mutt package is the shellscript /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt, which 
is the solution for your problem. These are the first lines from the 
script.

# mailto-mutt -- wrapper to be able to use mutt as mailto handler from 
# firefox
#
# To use, surf to Firefox's about:config page and configure the 
# following
# three values:
#   network.protocol-handler.external.mailto boolean true
#   network.protocol-handler.app.mailto string '/path/to/handler'
#   network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mailto boolean false


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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-08 Thread Michael Wagner
* Michael Wagner michaeldeb...@web.de 08.09.2009
 * Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
  I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript

Apart from my other message you can also make it like this:

settings - apps - mailto - /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-08 Thread green
Michael Wagner wrote at 2009-09-08 15:11 -0500:
 * Michael Wagner michaeldeb...@web.de 08.09.2009
  * Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de 04.09.2009
   I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
 
 Apart from my other message you can also make it like this:
 
 settings - apps - mailto - /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt

But this won't work in Lenny... mutt 1.5.18-6 does not seem to include that 
file.


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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-07 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* s. keeling [090907 02:14 +]
 Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de:
   I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
  
   Shellscript:
  
   #!/bin/sh
   exec xterm -e mutt $@
  
   The xterm only pops up for 1 second.
  
   Any hints?
 
 Ben at linuxgazette.net and I've been playing with this for years (I
 haven't used it in a while; caveat emptor):
 

 #!/usr/bin/perl

All the contributed solutions don't extract the URL in to the
mailbody of mutt in the case of choosing send link within FF3.5.2.

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-06 Thread s. keeling
Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de:
  I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
 
  Shellscript:
 
  #!/bin/sh
  exec xterm -e mutt $@
 
  The xterm only pops up for 1 second.
 
  Any hints?

Ben at linuxgazette.net and I've been playing with this for years (I
haven't used it in a while; caveat emptor):

   
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# pinehelper.pl - Original from Ben Okopnik of LinuxGazette.net
#
#   i) install wherever you want, make it world execute.
# 
#  ii) edit the user's prefs.js (via about:config) in 
#  ~/.mozilla/firefox/$blah.default:
#
# user_pref(network.protocol-handler.app.mailto, \
# /path/to/pinehelper);
#
# iii) edit $fn and geometry to taste.
#
# Restart FF, and clicking on a mailto:; link should fire up
# an xterm running mutt.  To: will already be filled in.  If
# the link provided a Subject:, it should be handled as well.
#
# 13Nov2005   Ben Okopnik   0001   Fix Firefox mailto: handling
# 16Jun2007   sbk   0002   bulletproofing, strict, my().
#

use diagnostics;
use warnings;
use strict;

my ( $fn, @chunks, $key, $value, %header, $opts);

# xterm font
#
# $fn = q(-*-*-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15);
$fn = q(-*-*-medium-r-normal-*-15-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15);
$geom = q(105x57-84+64);

@chunks = split /[?]/, shift;

for ( @chunks ) {

   ( $key, $value ) = split /[:=]/;

   # Cheap-ass entity conversion; populates %header hash as:
   #
   #   key  value
   #   ---  -
   #   subject  subject string
   #   mailto   w...@where.com
   #
   ( $header{ $key } = $value ) =~ s/%(..)/pack(H2,$1)/eg;
}

# Define Mutt switches for any headers we're interested in, including
# optional ones
# 
$opts = qq[ -s $header{subject} ] if exists $header{subject};
$opts .= $header{mailto};

exec qq(/usr/bin/xterm -fn $fn -geometry $geom -T Mutt -e /usr/bin/mutt $opts) 
||
die qq(Blue?  No, red?!  A!: $!);

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how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript

Shellscript:

#!/bin/sh
exec xterm -e mutt $@

The xterm only pops up for 1 second.

Any hints?

Thanks
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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-04 Thread Chris Jackson

Elimar Riesebieter wrote:


I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript

Shellscript:

#!/bin/sh
exec xterm -e mutt $@


I'm guessing mutt can't parse the mailto: line given out by iceweasel.

Here's a very quick and very dirty bit of perl I knocked up; I'm not 
suggesting it's right, but it'll hopefully give you a starting point:



#!/usr/bin/perl

sub escape {
  $result=$_[0];
  $result=~s{([\$])}{\\$1}g;
  return \$result\;
}

($dummy, $params)=split /:/, $ARGV[0], 2;
($address, $params)=split /\?/, $params, 2;
print $params\n;
for $x(split //, $params) {
  ($key, $val)=split /=/, $x, 2;
  print $key: $val\n;
  $paramhash{$key}=$val;
}

$cmd=mutt;
$cmd.= -s .escape($paramhash{subject}) if($paramhash{subject});
$cmd.= -c .escape($paramhash{cc}) if($paramhash{cc});
$cmd.= -b .escape($paramhash{bcc}) if($paramhash{bcc});
$cmd.= $address;

print $cmd\n;
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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-04 Thread Clive Standbridge
 I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
 
 Shellscript:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec xterm -e mutt $@
 
 The xterm only pops up for 1 second.

That's very close to the script that is working for me (using
Iceweasel 3.0.6 on Lenny):

#!/bin/sh

prefixWords=

if [ -t 0 -a -t 1 ]
then
prefixWords=
else
prefixWords=xterm -e
fi

set -x
$prefixWords mutt -- $@


I don't think your exec should cause a problem, but it may be worth
trying without it.

You may need the -- in case any of the arguments begins with '-'. 
I can't think off-hand if that is likely.

By the way, the if tests whether you're running from a terminal
already, and opens mutt there if you are. Otherwise it fires up an
xterm.


You might get some more information by temporarily changing your xterm
line to

exec xterm -e bash -c set -x; mutt $*; read -p 'Press enter to exit '


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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Clive Standbridge [090904 16:47 +0100]
  I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
  
  Shellscript:
  
  #!/bin/sh
  exec xterm -e mutt $@
  
  The xterm only pops up for 1 second.
 
 That's very close to the script that is working for me (using
 Iceweasel 3.0.6 on Lenny):
 
[...]
 exec xterm -e bash -c set -x; mutt $*; read -p 'Press enter to exit '

+ subject=%3CLinux%3E%20-%20Google-Suche
+ read -p 'Press enter to exit '
Press enter to exit + mutt
'mailto:?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.de%2Flinux'
Failed to parse mailto: link

Mutt can't read $*

This is with iceweasel 3.5.2 and 
Mutt 1.5.20+lxtec (2009-07-23)

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Re: how to set up iceweasel 3.5 to use mutt as mailer for link sendto

2009-09-04 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:00:13PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
 I've tried settings - apps - mailto - shellscript
 
 Shellscript:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec xterm -e mutt $@
 
 The xterm only pops up for 1 second.

I use following in lenny and works fine:
--
#!/bin/sh
gnome-terminal -e mutt $@
--

these terminal softwares act not exactly the same with -e and -x options.

With gnome-terminal:
  -e, --command=STRING
 Execute the argument to this option inside the terminal.

   -x, --execute
 Execute the remainder of the command line inside the terminal.

With xterm:
   -e program [ arguments ... ]
   This option specifies the program (and its command line 
arguments) to be run in the xterm window.  It also sets the win‐
   dow  title  and icon name to be the basename of the program 
being executed if neither -T nor -n are given on the command
   line.  This must be the last option on the command line.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:48:28AM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:37:30 +1200, Chris Bannister in 
 gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 05:44:47PM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
  So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?
 
  http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391
 
 Thanks for your hard work.

Eh? I didn't write that blog, and besides, hard work can shorten your
lifespan.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-23 Thread Tim Beauregard
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#using
 
 Doesn't document volatile.  Mentions security but doesn't really document it 
 fully, even through the links provided.  (In particular, I couldn't find 
 what to add you my source.list for volatile or security.)
 
 Yes, I know I can edit it, but I don't have time just now.

All in good time I'm sure.  These FAQs are an excellent resource.  As is
the list archive!
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-20 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:37:30 +1200, Chris Bannister in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 05:44:47PM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:

[snip]

 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?

 http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391

Thanks for your hard work.


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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-17 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:35:56 -0400, Celejar in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:16:15 -0400
 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

 ...

 I agree Ron, that T-Bird and to some extent Slypheed-Claws, are good
 examples of GUI e-mail clients that are probably best of breed. I left

 And what, exactly, is wrong with plain Sylph? :/

Nothing, an error of omission. Thanks for mentioning it.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-17 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20090816201911.gb4...@think.homelan, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed,12.Aug.09, 22:31:25, Tim Beauregard wrote:
 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not
  updated

 [snip]

 the contents of this post would make a good FAQ.

http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#using

Doesn't document volatile.  Mentions security but doesn't really document it 
fully, even through the links provided.  (In particular, I couldn't find 
what to add you my source.list for volatile or security.)

Yes, I know I can edit it, but I don't have time just now.
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed,12.Aug.09, 19:35:21, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 
 I used XFce back in the day, now it seems bloated and slow on this P3. I've
 also heard it has a nasty memory leak;

That has been fixed AFAICT. I also installed Xfce 4.4 on my mothers 
laptop (p...@1.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM) and it is quite ok.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 05:44:47PM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 Hello; First of all I'm not that familiar with a Linux GUI as I usually run
 GNU/Linux headless via CLI.
 
 I've got Lenny running Xserver-Xorg and I've noticed that the default
 Iceweasel aka Firefox is an older version and I prefer to run the latest.
 
 I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
 version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
 wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.
 
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?

http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed,12.Aug.09, 22:31:25, Tim Beauregard wrote:
 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not 
  updated 
 
 [snip]
 
 the contents of this post would make a good FAQ.

http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#using

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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-16 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:16:15 -0400
S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

...

 I agree Ron, that T-Bird and to some extent Slypheed-Claws, are good
 examples of GUI e-mail clients that are probably best of breed. I left

And what, exactly, is wrong with plain Sylph? :/

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-14 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:41:33 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-13 17:22:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 Wow talk about copious output, only 4002 lines.

 4002 is not very much, in particular for a complex application such as
 Firefox. This means that Firefox has done almost nothing and a problem
 occurred very early.

O OK

 I have no idea what it all means. There are lots of 'no such
 file/directory' warnings.

 Most of them can be normal.

snip

 Look at the clone and execve to know what programs are executed.

Thanks for your interest in helping Vincent. I just used the Mephis source
to get and install Firefox 3.5.x as a deb. Problem solved.

Cheers,
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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-14 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:03:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-13 19:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 [snip]
 
 Yeah I have the preview pane set up similarly. You're quite right about
 being able to delete threads or mark them read, as being sweet. 

 Tbird/IW has Mark Thread As Read.

 The threading is what's the bees knees for me. 

 What do you mean?  How is it's threading any better than Tbird's?

 (Unless, of course, you neglected to tell it to thread your folder 
 using View-Sort by-Threaded.)

It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not
saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't
cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D 

I agree Ron, that T-Bird and to some extent Slypheed-Claws, are good
examples of GUI e-mail clients that are probably best of breed. I left
T-Bird for good since it didn't have a proper reply to list function at
the time, (b4 3rd party extension was available). At the time I was a
regular reader/poster to this list and mutt just worked better out of the
box at the time for list e-mail. FWIU the developers have recently been
working on putting 'reply-to list' into T-Bird natively. Tis good, even if
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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-14 10:16, S. Fishpaste wrote:
[snip]


It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not
saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't
cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D 


And, of course, Mutt doesn't take 123m RES like my icedove-bin 
currently does...


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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-14 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:18:09 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-14 10:16, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 [snip]
 
 It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not
 saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't
 cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D 

 And, of course, Mutt doesn't take 123m RES like my icedove-bin 
 currently does...

That's true forgot about that point.

And, one doesn't need X-Windows to use mutt + vi(m). ;-)  


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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-14 14:22, S. Fishpaste wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:18:09 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

On 2009-08-14 10:16, S. Fishpaste wrote:
[snip]

It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not
saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't
cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D 
And, of course, Mutt doesn't take 123m RES like my icedove-bin 
currently does...


That's true forgot about that point.

And, one doesn't need X-Windows to use mutt + vi(m). ;-)  


That's why I installed it, since I run Sid, and X might during any 
upgrade.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-14 Thread Charlie Kroeger
Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other
 e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D

I've always rather thought that might be the case. A sense of empowerment is
always welcome.

Thanks for the suggestion. Open an Xterm window and all will be revealed.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-12 22:52:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:21:00 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in 
 gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
  Also, check that you don't have a firefox already running (maybe
  hidden), otherwise when you run a second instance, it will send a
  message to the old one and exit silently (IIRC).
 
 Good point. Twas OK though.

If you still don't know the cause of the problem, I suggest something
like strace -f -o strace.out ./firefox. This may be very helpful,
in order to know what happens internally (in particular the files
that are read, what is executed and so on).

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Jimmy Johnson

S. Fishpaste wrote:


Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?



Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using 
these repos if you want.


deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Brent Clark

Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using 
these repos if you want.


deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main


Hiya

If you going to make a suggestion for a debian based distro, then you 
might as well just make it Ubuntu.
Nothing wrong with Mepis, but im of the opinion, advise someone with the 
knowledge that there is further support if they need it, and at least an 
already established user market.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Mihira Fernando
On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:28:56 pm Brent Clark wrote:
 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
  Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using
  these repos if you want.
 
  deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main

 Hiya

 If you going to make a suggestion for a debian based distro, then you
 might as well just make it Ubuntu.
 Nothing wrong with Mepis, but im of the opinion, advise someone with the
 knowledge that there is further support if they need it, and at least an
 already established user market.

 Regards
 Brent Clark

Um.. actually it makes sense to use a Mepis 8.0 repo as it has far less 
customizations than Ubuntu has. 
Mepis 8.0 itself uses Debian Lenny repos for the vast majority of software for 
that distro.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:45:03 -0700, Jimmy Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 S. Fishpaste wrote:

 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?


 Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using 
 these repos if you want.

 deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main

Hey thanks for that; way cool !


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:32:40 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 For e-mail; mutt is my preferred MUA.

 Now there's a thread.

 Know of any clearly written logical progressive steps for setting up mutt or
 is it a life's work? Does it require an excessively high IQ fish?

I always found following the sample commented muttrc was useful. Takes some 
time to
go through it though.

/usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/ray.muttrc
/usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc-tlr.gz
/usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc.gz
/usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sidebar.muttrc
/usr/share/man/man5/muttrc.5.gz

Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always
helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other
e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Jimmy Johnson

Brent Clark wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using 
these repos if you want.


deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main



If you going to make a suggestion for a debian based distro, then you 
might as well just make it Ubuntu.


Nothing wrong with Mepis, but im of the opinion, advise someone with the 
knowledge that there is further support if they need it, and at least an 
already established user market.



How do you figure?

Mepis 8.0 is based on Debian Lenny not buntu, I don't think you know 
about Mepis support, where you will find some of the best How to 
guides www.mepis.org/docs/en/MEPIS_Community , besides the word is that 
buntu is giving it's users unwanted software Ubuntu's New Firefox Is 
Watching You http://tiny.cc/ckg8o .


Besides MS also stands for Mark Shuttleworth. :-P
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Jimmy Johnson

S. Fishpaste wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:45:03 -0700, Jimmy Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

S. Fishpaste wrote:


Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?



Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using 
these repos if you want.


deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main




Hey thanks for that; way cool !



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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid [2009 Aug 13 11:13 
-0500]:

 Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always
 helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other
 e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D

That and the maddening idea in all of the Mozilla mailers and Kamil as
well that I have to display a message to delete it drove me largely
away from them.  My Mutt UI is set up so I can see the previous five or
so messages above the one I'm reading.  When I hit q the entire frame
is the mailbox I'm browsing.  Being able to wipe out entire threads
with Ctl-D is the only way to keep one's sanity with busy mailing lists
such as this one and Mythtv users.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-13 16:38, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid [2009 Aug 13 11:13 
-0500]:


Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always
helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other
e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D


That and the maddening idea in all of the Mozilla mailers and Kamil as
well that I have to display a message to delete it drove me largely


That's only if you configure it for 3-pane operation.

Here's a screenprint of me using 2-pane with a separate email window.

http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/Two-pane.png

(For those of us who must use MS Outlook at work for corporate 
email, this is also an extra layer of defense, since you can delete 
virus-laden spam w/o opening it.)



away from them.  My Mutt UI is set up so I can see the previous five or
so messages above the one I'm reading.  When I hit q the entire frame
is the mailbox I'm browsing.  Being able to wipe out entire threads
with Ctl-D is the only way to keep one's sanity with busy mailing lists
such as this one and Mythtv users.


That would be handy, but Shift-PgDn Delete serves me almost as well.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:41:35 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 22:52:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:21:00 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in 
 gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
  Also, check that you don't have a firefox already running (maybe
  hidden), otherwise when you run a second instance, it will send a
  message to the old one and exit silently (IIRC).
 
 Good point. Twas OK though.

 If you still don't know the cause of the problem, I suggest something
 like strace -f -o strace.out ./firefox. This may be very helpful,
 in order to know what happens internally (in particular the files
 that are read, what is executed and so on).

Wow talk about copious output, only 4002 lines. I have no idea what it all
means. There are lots of 'no such file/directory' warnings.

If you're interested in the tail;

4011  ... futex resumed ) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be
restarted)
4005  ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s)  WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4009
4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4005  --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
4005  waitpid(-1, 0xbfe68ff8, WNOHANG)  = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
4005  sigreturn()   = ? (mask now [])
4005  rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4005  read(255, \nexit $exitcode\n..., 8176) = 16
4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4005  exit_group(1) = ?
4002  ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s)  WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4005
4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4002  --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
4002  waitpid(-1, 0xbfd7b5f8, WNOHANG)  = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
4002  sigreturn()   = ? (mask now [])
4002  rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002  read(255, exitcode=$?\n\nexit $exitcode\n# EOF..., 3883) = 35
4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4002  exit_group(1) = ?



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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-13 17:22:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 Wow talk about copious output, only 4002 lines.

4002 is not very much, in particular for a complex application such as
Firefox. This means that Firefox has done almost nothing and a problem
occurred very early.

 I have no idea what it all means. There are lots of 'no such
 file/directory' warnings.

Most of them can be normal.

 If you're interested in the tail;
 
 4011  ... futex resumed ) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be
 restarted)
 4005  ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s)  WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4009
 4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
 4005  --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
 4005  waitpid(-1, 0xbfe68ff8, WNOHANG)  = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
 4005  sigreturn()   = ? (mask now [])
 4005  rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
 4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
 4005  read(255, \nexit $exitcode\n..., 8176) = 16
 4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
 4005  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
 4005  exit_group(1) = ?
 4002  ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s)  WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4005
 4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
 4002  --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
 4002  waitpid(-1, 0xbfd7b5f8, WNOHANG)  = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
 4002  sigreturn()   = ? (mask now [])
 4002  rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
 4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
 4002  read(255, exitcode=$?\n\nexit $exitcode\n# EOF..., 3883) = 35
 4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
 4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
 4002  rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
 4002  exit_group(1) = ?
 

It terminated with the exit status 1, meaning that an error occurred.
Look at the clone and execve to know what programs are executed.

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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-13 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:38:31 -0500, Nate Bargmann in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 * S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid [2009 Aug 13 11:13 
 -0500]:

 Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always
 helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other
 e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D

 That and the maddening idea in all of the Mozilla mailers and Kamil as
 well that I have to display a message to delete it drove me largely
 away from them.  My Mutt UI is set up so I can see the previous five or
 so messages above the one I'm reading.  When I hit q the entire frame
 is the mailbox I'm browsing.  Being able to wipe out entire threads
 with Ctl-D is the only way to keep one's sanity with busy mailing lists
 such as this one and Mythtv users.

Yeah I have the preview pane set up similarly. You're quite right about
being able to delete threads or mark them read, as being sweet. 

The threading is what's the bees knees for me. 

At present I'm torn between using vim or jed as my editor. I've used vim
since I got into Linux, in the latter part of the ninties. But, since I use
slrn for nntp, I thought I'd try out JED -- Just to be loyal initally to Jim
E Davis whom is the developer of both slrn, slang and JED. I found out I
actually liked JEDs simplicity, (to my surprise) so now I'm using JED in
slrn and vim in mutt. LOL

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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]

2009-08-13 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-13 19:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:
[snip]


Yeah I have the preview pane set up similarly. You're quite right about
being able to delete threads or mark them read, as being sweet. 


Tbird/IW has Mark Thread As Read.

The threading is what's the bees knees for me. 


What do you mean?  How is it's threading any better than Tbird's?

(Unless, of course, you neglected to tell it to thread your folder 
using View-Sort by-Threaded.)


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Johan Grönqvist

So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?

If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
and then disabling the repos.


Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?



If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many 
experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run 
stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all apps, 
and installing a chroot environment to run the few unstable/experimental 
apps you want in a more sandboxed environment.


As I understand it, I think that should be enough for your need. Later, 
when a proper backport of iceweasel 3.5 arrives, you can use it under 
stable.


I have successfully used this method when I wanted to install stuff form 
experimental or form third party sources (that I do not trust).

See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566 for more info.

Good luck.

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rmadison (was: Iceweasel 3.5)

2009-08-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-11 23:19:37 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
 Use the rmadison command

The rmadison command isn't reliable. For instance:

$ rmadison subversion
subversion | 1.4.2dfsg1-2 | etch-m68k | source, m68k
subversion | 1.4.2dfsg1-2 | oldstable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, 
i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
subversion | 1.5.1dfsg1-2 |stable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel, 
hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
subversion | 1.5.1dfsg1-2 |  unstable | hurd-i386
subversion | 1.5.1dfsg1-4 | proposed-updates | source, alpha, amd64, arm, 
armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
subversion | 1.6.3dfsg-1 |   testing | source, alpha, amd64, armel, hppa, 
i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
subversion | 1.6.3dfsg-1 |  unstable | hppa, powerpc
subversion | 1.6.4dfsg-1 |  unstable | source, alpha, amd64, armel, i386, 
ia64, mips, mipsel, s390, sparc

while both
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=subversionsearchon=namesexact=1suite=allsection=all
and http://packages.debian.org/etch/subversion say that the latest
etch version is 1.4.2dfsg1-3 for most architectures (or perhaps it
doesn't take security updates into account for oldstable).

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-12 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?
 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.
 
 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?
 
 If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many
 experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run
 stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all
 apps, and installing a chroot environment to run the few
 unstable/experimental apps you want in a more sandboxed environment.

IMHO, this is a bit complex. As Debian is always late, is there
any reason to use Iceweasel instead of Firefox from Mozilla's site
(assuming no XUL* errors)?

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:26:47 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?
 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.
 
 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?
 
 If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many
 experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run
 stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all
 apps, and installing a chroot environment to run the few
 unstable/experimental apps you want in a more sandboxed environment.

 IMHO, this is a bit complex. As Debian is always late, is there
 any reason to use Iceweasel instead of Firefox from Mozilla's site
 (assuming no XUL* errors)?

That's the problem I'm running into Vincent; XUL libs with the binary I 
downloaded
from Mozilla.org

I just got Google Chrome going -- OK can't use Flash yet, but at least it's
pretty fast on this old laptop; faster than on my dual core x64
workstation. Go figure. Maybe I can pass on Iceweasel all toghether now. 

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?
 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.
 
 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?
 

 If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many 
 experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run 
 stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all apps, 
 and installing a chroot environment to run the few unstable/experimental 
 apps you want in a more sandboxed environment.

 As I understand it, I think that should be enough for your need. Later, 
 when a proper backport of iceweasel 3.5 arrives, you can use it under 
 stable.

Right. I think I'd rather wait until either backports or volatile has it.
Speaking of Volatile isn't this the purpose of it; For packages like web
browsers which are updated frequently ? At least that has been my
understanding of it.

 I have successfully used this method when I wanted to install stuff form 
 experimental or form third party sources (that I do not trust).
 See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566 for more info.

 Good luck.

Thanks for the reply Johan.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:52:27 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?


 You could put these sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an #apt-get
 update

 deb http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

 If you have a GUI type package manager like smartpm it will show a list of all
 the available versions of Ice Weasel after the update. If not that then

 #apt-cache showpkg package will give a lot of verbose information regarding
 versions dependencies and anything with the word iceweasel in it including the
 versions in your package cache

 As a last resort if you have problems with the dependencies running lenny you
 can always go to /etc/apt/apt.conf and put in the line:

 APT::Default-Release sid;

Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop
and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use
backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest
versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2
sources.

 Walk on the wild side.

LOL I've done that enough.

 After the upgrade you will have iceweasel 3.5.1-1

Right. Thanks for the input. 8-D


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:22:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-11 22:04, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:24:44 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
 wrote:
 On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 
 [ ...]
 
 I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
 version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
 wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.
 That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the 
 proper XUL.
 
 Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message.

 What *exactly* is the error message?  Run it from an xterm (AFTER 
 having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the 
 command invocation along with any messages.

Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;

:~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory



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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-12 13:23:08 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 That's the problem I'm running into Vincent; XUL libs with the
 binary I downloaded from Mozilla.org

Do you have a $LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In slrnh85u4r.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote:
Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older
 laptop and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to
 use backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the
 latest versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of
 those 2 sources.

Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not updated 
much more often than stable, such as anti-virus and anti-spam.  The browsers 
that are part of stable still function (I use them).  I believe FF was in 
volatile-sloppy for a while, and I would not object to it living there 
again.

Backports is for any software has been released since stable that can run in 
the environment provided by stable (which generally means running on older 
libraries).  The Mozilla products generally require a number of components 
to be incompatibly replaced with new versions, which can make them 
unsuitable for Backports.  Sometimes backports of the Mozilla products to 
appear though.

Sid is for software that the maintainer feels could be suitable for a Debian 
release.  Generally, this is not VCS snapshots, alphas, or betas.  It might 
also exclude some RCs.  For the KDE project, it even excluded two releases 
of KDE 4.  The software should have a maintainable API/ABI and be usable (as 
in, not crashy and contains enough features) for the majority of the users 
it targets.

Experimental is for packages that are not suitable for Sid, for whatever 
reason.  The packaging could be undergoing complex changes and may not 
install the majority of machines.  The software itself might be unreleased 
by upstream, but upstream or the maintainer are eliciting feedback.

In all cases, packages are only available as the packagers have time to 
build and upload them.  Want more up-to-date packages?  Get to work!
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread John Hasler
S. Fishpaste writes:
 Speaking of Volatile isn't this the purpose of it; For packages like
 web browsers which are updated frequently ?

No.  It is for packages such as antivirus programs that must be updated
frequently to be useful.  Upstream hyperactivity does not justify
putting a package in volatile.
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-12 19:15 +0200, S. Fishpaste wrote:

 Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop
 and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use
 backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest
 versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2
 sources.

Somebody has to provide them first.  As a general rule, backports are
only made for packages that are in testing, and Iceweasel 3.5 has not
even hit unstable yet.

Given that the maintainers of Mozilla packages in Debian are totally
overworked and understaffed, I don't think that backports will be made
any time soon.

Sven


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-12 12:27, S. Fishpaste wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:22:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

On 2009-08-11 22:04, S. Fishpaste wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:24:44 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:

[ ...]


I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.
That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the 
proper XUL.

Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message.
What *exactly* is the error message?  Run it from an xterm (AFTER 
having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the 
command invocation along with any messages.


Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;

:~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


That's... weird.

I ran both 3.5 and 3.5.1 for a while on a Sid system with IW 3.0.12 
and it ran perfectly.


Next, I'd try locate libxul.so.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Graham
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:05 -0400
S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

 Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;
 
   :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
   ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries:
 libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
Try that and it should work.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-12 15:11, Graham wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:05 -0400
S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:


Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;

:~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries:
libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
Try that and it should work.


Grrr.  Why didn't I notice that???

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:45:46 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. in 
gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
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Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older
 laptop and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to
 use backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the
 latest versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of
 those 2 sources.

 Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not update=
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 Sid is for software that the maintainer feels could be suitable for a Debia=
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 by upstream, but upstream or the maintainer are eliciting feedback.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

 In all cases, packages are only available as the packagers have time to=20
 build and upload them.  Want more up-to-date packages?  Get to work!

Well I guess a start would be for me to read up on backports to see if I
have the necssary expertise. ;-D

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:39:51 -0500, John Hasler in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 S. Fishpaste writes:
 Speaking of Volatile isn't this the purpose of it; For packages like
 web browsers which are updated frequently ?

 No.  It is for packages such as antivirus programs that must be updated
 frequently to be useful.  Upstream hyperactivity does not justify
 putting a package in volatile.

Hi John, I respect your opinion as I've read your posts over the years,
however; In my opinion Firefox updates are more than mere hyperactivity and
are as useful as much as antivirus updates. shrug

In a normal laptop/workstation GUI environment few applications are as
important as a web browser (especially these days). A web worker for example
relies on a web browser pretty heavily. Not everyone using Debian is using it
on a server, you know. ;-)


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Cassiano Leal
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, S.
Fishpastes...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:26:47 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in 
 gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?
 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.
 
 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?

 If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many
 experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run
 stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all
 apps, and installing a chroot environment to run the few
 unstable/experimental apps you want in a more sandboxed environment.

 IMHO, this is a bit complex. As Debian is always late, is there
 any reason to use Iceweasel instead of Firefox from Mozilla's site
 (assuming no XUL* errors)?

 That's the problem I'm running into Vincent; XUL libs with the binary I 
 downloaded
 from Mozilla.org

 I just got Google Chrome going -- OK can't use Flash yet, but at least it's
 pretty fast on this old laptop; faster than on my dual core x64
 workstation. Go figure. Maybe I can pass on Iceweasel all toghether now.

You can use flash on it, actually.

Assuming you have flash for Iceweasel installed from debian-multimedia, do:

# cd /opt/google/chrome
# mkdir plugins
# cd plugins
# ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so

Then, start Chrome by issuing:

$ google-chrome --enable-plugins

and Flash works!

Cheers,
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:41:59 +0200, Sven Joachim in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 19:15 +0200, S. Fishpaste wrote:

 Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop
 and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use
 backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest
 versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2
 sources.

 Somebody has to provide them first.  As a general rule, backports are
 only made for packages that are in testing, and Iceweasel 3.5 has not
 even hit unstable yet.

OIC

 Given that the maintainers of Mozilla packages in Debian are totally
 overworked and understaffed, I don't think that backports will be made
 any time soon.

Fair enough. 8-D


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In slrnh8683n.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote:
In a normal laptop/workstation GUI environment few applications are as
important as a web browser (especially these days). A web worker for
 example relies on a web browser pretty heavily. Not everyone using Debian
 is using it on a server, you know. ;-)

I have been quite happy with the Konqueror in Squeeze along-side the 
IceWeasel in Lenny and I use a web-browser for work every day.  I can 
understand the desire to update if IW fails to render some page you require 
for work.  I think most users should be able to work with the Debian-
supported version in Lenny.

If you find a bug in stable/testing/unstable/experimental (like a web page 
that doesn't render properly, or a plug-in that breaks), you should really 
file a bug so that Debian can backport a fix once the Mozilla team produces 
one.
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Charlie Kroeger
 Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop

Hummm..well you could try Opera. They have a lighter faster up-to-scratch 
browser.

Put this in your sources.list:

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ sid non-free

#apt-get update

#apt-get install opera

Can't hurt. If you're like me and don't use a desktop environment you can go
fly weight with opera for mail and newsgroups that comes included.

Opera isn't as manifold as iceweasel say, you wouldn't want to use it with tor
for instance, as they don't do SOCKS but it doesn't bring a lot of baggage.

I don't recall any recent upgrades so I guess you could say it was in the
stable camp but that deb source is sid and whatever they offer will be their
going beta version.

If you like to see it a lot run this:

#update-alternatives --config x-www-browser

select it from the list to make it the 'default' browser for your Debian laptop.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:53:56 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 12:27, S. Fishpaste wrote:

[ ...]

 Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message.
 What *exactly* is the error message?  Run it from an xterm (AFTER 
 having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the 
 command invocation along with any messages.
 
 Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;
 
  :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
  ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so:
  cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

 That's... weird.

 I ran both 3.5 and 3.5.1 for a while on a Sid system with IW 3.0.12 
 and it ran perfectly.

 Next, I'd try locate libxul.so.

Yup; I have it but it's version 1.9 which is probably too old ? It's in
/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so

Anyway, now that I've got Xserver.Xorg running good in Lenny, I'll probably
upgrade to Testing, since you had FF 3.5.x working there.

Thanks !


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0100, Graham in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:05 -0400
 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

 Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;
 
  :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
  ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries:
 libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

 You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
 Try that and it should work.

Really ?!

I had tried that; didn't seem to do anything just exited without echoing any
error message in xterm. Too tired to read /var/log just now.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:31:25 +0100, Tim Beauregard in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not updated 

 [snip]

 the contents of this post would make a good FAQ.

Indeed it would. Is there a cite for it (I'm not saying it's NOT correct).
Just crossing the T's and dotting the I's. I don't mind putting it on my
KNOL which already has a writeup on getting Debian Lenny installed on Old
World PPC Mac architecture.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:30:47 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. in 
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 In slrnh8683n.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote:
In a normal laptop/workstation GUI environment few applications are as
important as a web browser (especially these days). A web worker for
 example relies on a web browser pretty heavily. Not everyone using Debian
 is using it on a server, you know. ;-)

 I have been quite happy with the Konqueror in Squeeze along-side the=20
 IceWeasel in Lenny and I use a web-browser for work every day.  I can=20
 understand the desire to update if IW fails to render some page you require=
=20
 for work.  I think most users should be able to work with the Debian-
 supported version in Lenny.

Well yes and no. There are *significant* speed increases in the FF 3.5 branch.

Kongi is OK, it's using webkit now FWIU. So, it and Chrome should be
similar. I have to admit to being partial to Chrome. I like it's
minimalistic approach, extension support is coming along nicely and will be
in the Linux version soon. I do have Google Chrome running excellent (it's
quite faster than it was in Windoze XP-Pro which was on this laptop until
just recently.

I don't run Gnome or KDE as my laptop is rather ancient, circa 2001. So no
Konqueror (It's my netbook).  I'm using Icewm and finding it to be nice
and light. 

I used XFce back in the day, now it seems bloated and slow on this P3. I've
also heard it has a nasty memory leak; but Icewm has survived, as I remember it.


Yeah, Iknow I could install some KDE libs to be able to use Kongi, but
presently my system partition is 60% full (remember oldish laptop, smaller
HDD) so I think it's full enough. ;-)

 If you find a bug in stable/testing/unstable/experimental (like a web page=
=20
 that doesn't render properly, or a plug-in that breaks), you should really=
=20
 file a bug so that Debian can backport a fix once the Mozilla team produces=
=20
 one.

O OK.

Cheers.

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:57:19 -0300, Cassiano Leal in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, S.
 Fishpastes...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

[ ...]

 I just got Google Chrome going -- OK can't use Flash yet, but at least it's
 pretty fast on this old laptop; faster than on my dual core x64
 workstation. Go figure. Maybe I can pass on Iceweasel all toghether now.

 You can use flash on it, actually.

 Assuming you have flash for Iceweasel installed from debian-multimedia, do:

 # cd /opt/google/chrome
 # mkdir plugins
 # cd plugins
 # ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so

 Then, start Chrome by issuing:

 $ google-chrome --enable-plugins

 and Flash works!

nod I've heard that as I read chromium-users and chromium-develop. I
understood itcauses 100% CPU load ? If that's the case, I can do without it
on this older hardware. I'll use my Vista box which has HD video
card/Widescreen if I want to view videos on YouTube.

But good of you to post the instructions. Others may want to try that with
Google Chrome !



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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-08-12 19:39:10 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0100, Graham in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
  On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:05 -0400
  S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:
 
  Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially;
  
 :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin
 ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries:
  libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 
  You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
  Try that and it should work.
 
 Really ?!
 
 I had tried that; didn't seem to do anything just exited without echoing any
 error message in xterm. Too tired to read /var/log just now.

In any case you must not run firefox-bin directly because it won't
use the right libraries.

Also, check that you don't have a firefox already running (maybe
hidden), otherwise when you run a second instance, it will send a
message to the old one and exit silently (IIRC).

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Graham
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:39:10 -0400
S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote:

  You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
  Try that and it should work.  
 
 Really ?!
 
 I had tried that; didn't seem to do anything just exited without
 echoing any error message in xterm. Too tired to read /var/log just
 now.

Yeah, that's how I've done it for years whenever I've used the
extracted tar.gz method. Scroll down to about halfway down the
Mozilla Support page below to see it's Mozilla's way, too:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Installing+Firefox+on+Linux


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In slrnh86lad.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:31:25 +0100, Tim Beauregard in 
gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not
 updated
 the contents of this post would make a good FAQ.
Indeed it would. Is there a cite for it (I'm not saying it's NOT correct).

I don't have one handy.  debian-policy is the final say so, but that was a 
summary of my experience in using all 4 repositories to supplement my Etch 
and Lenny systems.

Most times, when I'm wrong someone is quick to correct me, but there the 
ratio of DDs on this list is lower than some of the others to which I post.
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:49:07 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop

 Hummm..well you could try Opera. They have a lighter faster up-to-scratch 
 browser.

LOL Geez browser choice is almost religous with some people. 8-D

snip Opera source list

 Can't hurt. If you're like me and don't use a desktop environment you can go
 fly weight with opera for mail and newsgroups that comes included.

 Opera isn't as manifold as iceweasel say, you wouldn't want to use it with tor
 for instance, as they don't do SOCKS but it doesn't bring a lot of baggage.

I've never been a fan of Opera. I dunno what it is, but over the years I just
couldn't get to like it or become comfortable with it -- Maybe it's the
interface. I guess it's just one of those things. shrug

For e-mail; mutt is my preferred MUA.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:21:00 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-12 19:39:10 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0100, Graham in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:

[ ...]

  You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox
  Try that and it should work.
 
 Really ?!
 
 I had tried that; didn't seem to do anything just exited without echoing any
 error message in xterm. Too tired to read /var/log just now.

 In any case you must not run firefox-bin directly because it won't
 use the right libraries.

OK

 Also, check that you don't have a firefox already running (maybe
 hidden), otherwise when you run a second instance, it will send a
 message to the old one and exit silently (IIRC).

Good point. Twas OK though.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-12 Thread Charlie Kroeger
 For e-mail; mutt is my preferred MUA.

Now there's a thread.

Know of any clearly written logical progressive steps for setting up mutt or
is it a life's work? Does it require an excessively high IQ fish?

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Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread S. Fishpaste
Hello; First of all I'm not that familiar with a Linux GUI as I usually run
GNU/Linux headless via CLI.

I've got Lenny running Xserver-Xorg and I've noticed that the default
Iceweasel aka Firefox is an older version and I prefer to run the latest.

I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.

So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:

Hello; First of all I'm not that familiar with a Linux GUI as I usually run
GNU/Linux headless via CLI.

I've got Lenny running Xserver-Xorg and I've noticed that the default
Iceweasel aka Firefox is an older version and I prefer to run the latest.

I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.


That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the 
proper XUL.



So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread Cassiano Leal
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
 On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:

 Hello; First of all I'm not that familiar with a Linux GUI as I usually
 run
 GNU/Linux headless via CLI.

 I've got Lenny running Xserver-Xorg and I've noticed that the default
 Iceweasel aka Firefox is an older version and I prefer to run the latest.

 I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
 version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
 wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.

 That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the proper
 XUL.

I agree. AFAIK, the Mozilla binary is completely self-contained, thus
not requiring any external libraries.

 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?

If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
and then disabling the repos.

You could always try and download the individual packages from a
mirror and install them with dpkg, but it can be quite tricky to get
all dependencies this way.

Cheers,
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread Charlie Kroeger
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?


You could put these sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an #apt-get
update

deb http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

If you have a GUI type package manager like smartpm it will show a list of all
the available versions of Ice Weasel after the update. If not that then

#apt-cache showpkg package will give a lot of verbose information regarding
versions dependencies and anything with the word iceweasel in it including the
versions in your package cache

As a last resort if you have problems with the dependencies running lenny you
can always go to /etc/apt/apt.conf and put in the line:

APT::Default-Release sid;

Walk on the wild side.

After the upgrade you will have iceweasel 3.5.1-1

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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:17:14 -0300, Cassiano Leal in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:

 That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the proper
 XUL.

 I agree. AFAIK, the Mozilla binary is completely self-contained, thus
 not requiring any external libraries.
 
 shrug That's the error message. Strange but true.
 
 So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?

 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.

Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?

 You could always try and download the individual packages from a
 mirror and install them with dpkg, but it can be quite tricky to get
 all dependencies this way.

No doubt. :-)


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread S. Fishpaste
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:24:44 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
 On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:

[ ...]

 I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
 version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
 wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.

 That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the 
 proper XUL.

Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message.


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
S. Fishpaste wrote:

 If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and
 experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental
 and then disabling the repos.
 
 Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ?

Use the rmadison command

$rmadison iceweasel
 iceweasel |  2.0.0.3-1 | etch-m68k | source, m68k
 iceweasel | 2.0.0.19-0etch1 | oldstable | source, alpha, amd64, arm,
hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
 iceweasel |3.0.6-1 |stable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel,
hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
 iceweasel |   3.0.12-1 |   testing | source, alpha, amd64, armel, hppa,
i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
 iceweasel |   3.0.12-1 |  unstable | source, alpha, amd64, armel, hppa,
hurd-i386, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel,
powerpc, s390, sparc
 iceweasel |3.5.1-1 |  experimental | source, alpha, amd64, hppa, i386,
ia64, powerpc, s390, sparc

hth
raju
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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread Ron Johnson

On 2009-08-11 22:04, S. Fishpaste wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:24:44 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote:


[ ...]


I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5
version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which
wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny.
That doesn't sound right.  The Mozilla binary should come with the 
proper XUL.


Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message.


What *exactly* is the error message?  Run it from an xterm (AFTER 
having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the 
command invocation along with any messages.



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Re: Iceweasel 3.5

2009-08-11 Thread JoeHill
Charlie Kroeger wrote: 

  So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ?  
 
 
 You could put these sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an #apt-get
 update
 
 deb http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
 
 If you have a GUI type package manager like smartpm it will show a list of all
 the available versions of Ice Weasel after the update. If not that then
 
 #apt-cache showpkg package will give a lot of verbose information regarding
 versions dependencies and anything with the word iceweasel in it including the
 versions in your package cache
 
 As a last resort if you have problems with the dependencies running lenny you
 can always go to /etc/apt/apt.conf and put in the line:
 
 APT::Default-Release sid;

If there were an award for informative responses, you would win for this :)

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Re: iceweasel 3.5?

2009-07-08 Thread Chris Burkhardt
Soren Orel wrote:
 When will Iceweasel 3.5 come to Debian Lenny? :P

A Lenny backport is a step closer, as it was just uploaded to experimental:

http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391

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Re: iceweasel 3.5?

2009-07-08 Thread Chris Burkhardt
Chris Burkhardt wrote:
 Soren Orel wrote:
 When will Iceweasel 3.5 come to Debian Lenny? :P
 
 A Lenny backport is a step closer, as it was just uploaded to experimental:
 
 http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391

And even better, Mike Hommey just posted step-by-step instructions on installing
Iceweasel 3.5 on Lenny:

http://glandium.org/blog/?p=406

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Re: iceweasel 3.5?

2009-07-02 Thread Duque Gorlois
By the way, how could I update Iceweasel browser in order to always run a
safer version in my machine ?

Is it through apt-get update ?

Thanks

2009/7/1 Soren Orel soren.o...@gmail.com

 When will Iceweasel 3.5 come to Debian Lenny? :P

 I hope this bug

 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525938

 is fixed in Iceweasel 3.5, because with 3.0.6, (up-to-date Lenny) the

 https://addons.mozilla.org/hu/firefox/addon/4364

 is still not working properly :(



Re: iceweasel 3.5?

2009-07-02 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
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Duque Gorlois wrote:
 By the way, how could I update Iceweasel browser in order to always
 run a safer version in my machine ?
 
 Is it through apt-get update ?

Yes. The stable version of iceweasel gets security updates from debian's
security team. The security fixes are backported to the version in
lenny/stable. The idea is that no new features and/or bugs and/or
(unknown) security problems are introduced into a stable debian system.

Upstream (mozilla) always fix security issues with a new version that
usually also contains new features and thus may contain new bugs etc.

Johannes
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Re: iceweasel 3.5?

2009-07-02 Thread Duque Gorlois
Thanks a lot Johannes !

2009/7/2 Johannes Wiedersich johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de

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 Duque Gorlois wrote:
  By the way, how could I update Iceweasel browser in order to always
  run a safer version in my machine ?
 
  Is it through apt-get update ?

 Yes. The stable version of iceweasel gets security updates from debian's
 security team. The security fixes are backported to the version in
 lenny/stable. The idea is that no new features and/or bugs and/or
 (unknown) security problems are introduced into a stable debian system.

 Upstream (mozilla) always fix security issues with a new version that
 usually also contains new features and thus may contain new bugs etc.

 Johannes
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