Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:30:46PM -0300, Beco wrote: Yep, I confirm. I did this on my personal computers and two servers a while back. Kind of confusing... I almost lost one of the servers. I hope as time and Debian evolves, these procedures go safer and safer. Several transitions may take place in sid/testing over the life of a stable release, hence when it comes time to upgrade to the next stable there may be a couple of gotchas. But all this will be documented in the releasenotes and must be read *BEFORE* doing the upgrade. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131020030501.GC23383@tal
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:21:35 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, Wheezy's kernel is 3.2 not 2.6.32. OOPS, you've got me. I mistook squeeze for wheezy. Reco. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131017135930.dd5d7ae9032904e5076d1...@gmail.com
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:00:19 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade Interesting. Don't remember running such procedure. Was it for testing or sid? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131017140052.b18cc5b5b3c2632f3f6f3...@gmail.com
RE: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Hi Reco, This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade Interesting. Don't remember running such procedure. Was it for testing or sid? If I remember correctly it was in the step from Lenny to Squeeze. I know for sure I had to do it on several machines. Yup, just found it in my old notes, it was Lenny to Squeeze. Bonno Bloksma -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/89d1798a7351d040b4e74e0a043c69d759561...@hglexch-01.tio.nl
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:23:30 + Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote: Hi Reco, This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade Interesting. Don't remember running such procedure. Was it for testing or sid? If I remember correctly it was in the step from Lenny to Squeeze. I know for sure I had to do it on several machines. Yup, just found it in my old notes, it was Lenny to Squeeze. Thanks, that explains why I don't remember it - I was running testing those days. Back to the topic of discussion - I'm pretty sure that this wasn't needed for squeeze → wheezy transition. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131017145221.616334bdb0c803760a34c...@gmail.com
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:00 AM, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:00:19 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade Interesting. Don't remember running such procedure. Was it for testing or sid? Lenny to Squeeze dist-upgrade -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sy09yubpcogicoxr_re1t4gh3qqym0rb1zauxjg6qv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
TH == Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: TH The OP wants to use the Squeeze kernel and the Jessie userspace. More likely openvz's kernel. Probably non-deb, too. -JimC -- James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/m338nz4xwl@carbon.jhcloos.org
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On 17 October 2013 07:23, Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote: If I remember correctly it was in the step from Lenny to Squeeze. I know for sure I had to do it on several machines. Yup, just found it in my old notes, it was Lenny to Squeeze. Bonno Bloksma Hi Bonno, hi Reco, Yep, I confirm. I did this on my personal computers and two servers a while back. Kind of confusing... I almost lost one of the servers. I hope as time and Debian evolves, these procedures go safer and safer. Best, Beco. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALuYw2xCV7-05vyqUjT9_XRqWLrHS3Tqg5=rsp7umty+pdf...@mail.gmail.com
Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Hello! I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Thanks, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c8bc612c3d420e2f51e511ac5737a...@centershock.net
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: Hello Florian, on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Freeze is still over a year away, so probably a wee bit early to say what kernel version will be used. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent You're only 29 got a lot to learn Seventeen - Sex Pistols signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Hi. On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Considering one should be always able to do apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie (and that means using wheezy's kernel with jessie's userland, at least temporary), it should be safe to assume that minimum kernel requirement for jessie's userland is 2.6.32. Since wheezy's kernel version is fixed for its lifetime, it's highly unlikely that such requirement will change in the future. Of course, wheezy's 2.6.32 and, say, CentOS's 2.6.32 are different kernels, and in the second case you can expect all kinds of strange behaviour. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016155406.fad2fa9ed37e2e21f6909...@gmail.com
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 03:54:06PM +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Considering one should be always able to do apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie (and that means using wheezy's kernel with jessie's userland, at least temporary), it should be safe to assume that minimum kernel requirement for jessie's userland is 2.6.32. This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade After the reboot, you're then running on the previous release's userland with the current release's kernel. That situation SHOULD be more stable than the other way around as kernels /rarely/ remove functionality. But if you run new userland on an old kernel, and it tries to call functionality that's not there, you can run into trouble. Since wheezy's kernel version is fixed for its lifetime, it's highly unlikely that such requirement will change in the future. Of course, wheezy's 2.6.32 and, say, CentOS's 2.6.32 are different kernels, and in the second case you can expect all kinds of strange behaviour. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016155406.fad2fa9ed37e2e21f6909...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 03:54:06PM +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Considering one should be always able to do apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie (and that means using wheezy's kernel with jessie's userland, at least temporary), it should be safe to assume that minimum kernel requirement for jessie's userland is 2.6.32. This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade After the reboot, you're then running on the previous release's userland with the current release's kernel. That situation SHOULD be more stable than the other way around as kernels /rarely/ remove functionality. But if you run new userland on an old kernel, and it tries to call functionality that's not there, you can run into trouble. Since wheezy's kernel version is fixed for its lifetime, it's highly unlikely that such requirement will change in the future. Furthermore, Wheezy's kernel is 3.2 not 2.6.32. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sy7VYv6kv8_fUJb1XR4rPYv7ScWi2==oycmdpuawj-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 08:21:35AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 03:54:06PM +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Considering one should be always able to do apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie (and that means using wheezy's kernel with jessie's userland, at least temporary), it should be safe to assume that minimum kernel requirement for jessie's userland is 2.6.32. This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update sources.list * Install new kernel and new udev * Reboot * Proceed with dist-upgrade After the reboot, you're then running on the previous release's userland with the current release's kernel. That situation SHOULD be more stable than the other way around as kernels /rarely/ remove functionality. But if you run new userland on an old kernel, and it tries to call functionality that's not there, you can run into trouble. Since wheezy's kernel version is fixed for its lifetime, it's highly unlikely that such requirement will change in the future. Furthermore, Wheezy's kernel is 3.2 not 2.6.32. Furthermore, current unstable only has 3.10 (Dropped 3,2). Soon, testing/jessie will only have 3.10. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016140128.GD7716@goofy.localdomain
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? I am using Jessie with the kernel from Wheezy. Don't worry, it's safe to upgrade. pgpeeaZDqbKaI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On 2013-10-16 11:46 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote: I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Currently 2.6.32, the version in Squeeze (oldstable). Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Not really, since the freeze is scheduled for November *2014*, and some packages like udev might need a newer kernel then. However, you usually do not need those on a vserver. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zjq9uovj@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Am Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, 11:46:40 schrieb Florian Lindner: Hello! I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I rely on that this does no change after the freeze? (IIRC at Nov 5th) Basic false assumption was that I read Nov 5th 2013 instead of 2014. So I'll stick with wheezy. FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4868464.Zam1YYtyjv@horus
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 08:30:33PM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I am using Jessie with the kernel from Wheezy. Don't worry, it's safe to upgrade. As has already been pointed out, the kernel that comes with wheezy is 3.2. The OP stated the kernel being used is 2.6.32, which came with squeeze. So the fact that squeeze's kernel works with jessy isn't relevant. Squeeze's kernel works with wheezy from what I've heard, but I wouldn't expect it to keep working with jessy, even if it does so now. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn..net gpg public key: http://www.gregn..net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016204046.gb29...@gregn.net
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? I am using Jessie with the kernel from Wheezy. Don't worry, it's safe to upgrade. The OP wants to use the Squeeze kernel and the Jessie userspace. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szxzpntvheu7zzyzb+fhsxpaphddojdmt_mudjof1v...@mail.gmail.com
