Re: Light web browser for old PC
Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org writes: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Most browsers rely on the redering engine. On that field you mostly have no choice but Webkit and Gecko. Unfortunately, they are the engine under Chrom* and Firefox, even Opera. Espacially for Midori, it's Webkit. These are IMPOV really heavy pieces of softwares. OTOH, as you mentionned, nowadays webpages are full of those Javascript pieces of code that really need to be parsed and interpreted. There is one point of salvation, anyway: the mobile layout, that is mostly kept simple and light. Try, with your browser, to switch the User-Agent so that the website detects it as a mobile then sends you the relevant layout. On some browser (Firefox) you'll have to install an extension (you looked for lightness, but...). Good advice. It works. Thanks. Rodolfo
CPU slow after running web browser, any command to recover it back again soon? (was: Light web browser for old PC)
Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com writes: After closing Midori, my old PC for minutes and minutes remains very very slow. Then gradually, slowly, painfully, only after five or ten minutes it starts working normally again. Then, to try to recover it, I do: $ sync , but this is not enough. Is there any command to get the processor back soon in its speed such as it was before opening the web browser? Apologises for not having the right technical terms... Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k2u6adf2.fsf...@gmail.com
Re: CPU slow after running web browser, any command to recover it back again soon? (was: Light web browser for old PC)
Hi, I think - You should try some tricks like swappiness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness or zRAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram. Good Luck! 2015-07-11 18:04 GMT+02:00 Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com: Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com writes: After closing Midori, my old PC for minutes and minutes remains very very slow. Then gradually, slowly, painfully, only after five or ten minutes it starts working normally again. Then, to try to recover it, I do: $ sync , but this is not enough. Is there any command to get the processor back soon in its speed such as it was before opening the web browser? Apologises for not having the right technical terms... Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k2u6adf2.fsf...@gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com writes: Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Or maybe the problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves? Thanks for any help, Rodolfo It seems that the problem has no solution. All the various web browsers suggested (many thanks to all listers), in alternative to Firefox, lose capability and aren't fully functional: don't enter all the web sites and don't open all web pages. Developers themselves couldn't help. After closing Midori, my old PC for minutes and minutes remains very very slow. Then gradually, slowly, painfully, only after five or ten minutes it starts working normally again. So my problem is still there. Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878uapkef7@gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 03:07:43PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 02/07/2015, Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote: In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access, I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON through simple menu buttons: A problem with the opera web browser, that causes me to avoid using recent versions, and to avoid updating, and, to recommend against installing it, is the inclusion of the malware named speed dial, and, the obsession of the opera staff, with preventing users from disabling the malware that is named speed dial. I wonder whether old Opera versions WITHOUT Speed Dial would be safer compared to using recent versions WITH Speed Dial integrated. As soon as someone finds how to disable speed dial, the opera people prevent speed dial from being disabled in the next version. So, for a web browser that is efficient, I suggest lynx. And, I recommend against installing opera. As I don't have to rely on my slow serial modem any more to connect to the Internet, I am using Opera only when I need to completely block out nasty ads. With a right mouse click on a blank Opera screen, I have opened the Speed Dial configurtion menu allowing me to diminish and/or hide Speed Dial completely; whether this still enables intruders to exploit it as malware, I'd like to know. So far, I haven't experienced any abuse of my computer abstaining strictly from facebook, twitter etc., using only 'mutt' as my mailer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150705192726.ga26...@fok03.laje.edewe.de
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 03:52:36PM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/02/2015 02:25 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser heavyness and celerity/velocity. What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser (memory footprint) and potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle usage). I thought downloading images slowed down a lot... If downloading images slows down, then it is the download which is slow. Not the browser. Thanks to listers for all the suggestions. But with Dillo, Lynx, w3m, Netsurf, with all of them I have the same problem: I can't access my e-mail account on www.libero.it: when I try to, I'm redirected on the previous page. Please anybody knows why and how to fix that? Change the user agent of the browser your using to match some Firefox one. Check http://whatsmyuseragent.com/CommonUserAgents Not possible with netsurf, it's a hard coded. You're better to try and contact the webmaster and get it changed anyway. http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/plain/Docs/PACKAGING-GTK -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150703161049.GA11584@tal
Re: Light web browser for old PC
2015-07-02 18:44 GMT+02:00 Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com: bri...@aracnet.com writes: On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:18:48 + (UTC) Glyn Astill glynast...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Netsurf? Midori? I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :) +1 for netsurf here. the things you discover in this list ! netsurf is really nice. Unfortunately it won't log me into my email account down there in www.libero.it. Rodolfo hallo I had the same problem with an account on virgilio.it. I tried to open it through an old version of Firefox (I mean, FF15 or some) but nothing: it was always redirecting me to the home page. At the same time, I could use Opera and all ran well. My laptop being a Acer 1400 empowered (?) with 1 G ram, openSuSE, I was afraid of installing a newer version of Firefox but finally I did and virgilio,it started to open regularly. In another older desktop pc Pentium II with zenwalk (slackware) I tried to install IceCat. I might have tuned it rather better, but I think You're able to manage with it. Try this, I'm afraid you need to download the source-code and configure by hand... good luck! let's know. A.C. -- linux user #521635 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhey4igo@gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 07/02/2015 03:52 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote:
In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
through simple menu buttons:
[View]-- [Images]-- { [Show images] || [Cached Images] || [No Images] }
(Any of the three options can be made the default, to be altered according
to one's need while browsing.)
So I had No Images as my default, starting Opera in text only modus;
this allowed me to move between URLs pretty fast, and when I had reached
an interesting URL, I could easily turn on graphics mode.
As pure text browsers, I prefer both: elinks and lynx.
Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser
heavyness and celerity/velocity.
What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser (memory footprint) and
potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle usage).
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Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 01/07/15 16:21, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. What are the specs of this machine? I haven't tried Chromium, but on one old laptop (PII 300MHz, 160MB RAM) I tried installing Firefox 35. Out of the box config on Firefox had the thing rattling its swap constantly. There were some options that I could tweak that made it a little better, but not by much, it was still as slow as a 5-day Ashes test. I'm not sure if Webkit would fare better, I could dig up those settings if you're interested. -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5594d87f.9040...@longlandclan.yi.org
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 02/07/2015, Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote: In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access, I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON through simple menu buttons: A problem with the opera web browser, that causes me to avoid using recent versions, and to avoid updating, and, to recommend against installing it, is the inclusion of the malware named speed dial, and, the obsession of the opera staff, with preventing users from disabling the malware that is named speed dial. As soon as someone finds how to disable speed dial, the opera people prevent speed dial from being disabled in the next version. So, for a web browser that is efficient, I suggest lynx. And, I recommend against installing opera. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8mc1jnbr4w1i7bp6ut6spn9x6jkcwh+qiqqv61lqnv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org writes:
On 07/02/2015 03:52 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote:
In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
through simple menu buttons:
[View]-- [Images]-- { [Show images] || [Cached Images] || [No Images] }
(Any of the three options can be made the default, to be altered according
to one's need while browsing.)
So I had No Images as my default, starting Opera in text only modus;
this allowed me to move between URLs pretty fast, and when I had reached
an interesting URL, I could easily turn on graphics mode.
As pure text browsers, I prefer both: elinks and lynx.
Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser heavyness
and celerity/velocity. What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser
(memory footprint) and potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle
usage).
I thought downloading images slowed down a lot...
Thanks to listers for all the suggestions. But with Dillo, Lynx, w3m, Netsurf,
with all of them I have the same problem: I can't access my e-mail account on
www.libero.it: when I try to, I'm redirected on the previous page. Please
anybody knows why and how to fix that?
Thanks,
Rodolfo
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Re: Light web browser for old PC
From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Netsurf? Midori? I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :) +1 for netsurf here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/402366482.1395786.1435828728931.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 07/02/2015 02:25 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser heavyness and celerity/velocity. What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser (memory footprint) and potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle usage). I thought downloading images slowed down a lot... If downloading images slows down, then it is the download which is slow. Not the browser. Thanks to listers for all the suggestions. But with Dillo, Lynx, w3m, Netsurf, with all of them I have the same problem: I can't access my e-mail account on www.libero.it: when I try to, I'm redirected on the previous page. Please anybody knows why and how to fix that? Change the user agent of the browser your using to match some Firefox one. Check http://whatsmyuseragent.com/CommonUserAgents -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55953414.6000...@rktmb.org
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 2015-07-01, Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Or maybe the problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves? Thanks for any help, Rodolfo One that was not mentioned yet; http://www.qupzilla.com/ There is a deb package for it in repos. root@aptosid-shuttle:/home/kruppt/scripts# apt-cache search qupzilla libqupzilla-dev - development files for qupzilla's shared library libqupzilla1 - shared library and header files for qupzilla qupzilla - lightweight web browser based on libqtwebkit root@aptosid-shuttle:/home/kruppt/scripts# dpkg-query -p qupzilla Package: qupzilla Priority: extra Section: x11 Installed-Size: 4915 Maintainer: Georges Khaznadar georg...@debian.org Architecture: i386 Version: 1.6.6-1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-dbus (= 4:4.8.0~), libqt4-network (= 4:4.8.0~), libqt4-script (= 4:4.8.0~), libqt4-sql (= 4:4.8.0~), libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.0~), libqtgui4 (= 4:4.8.0~), libqtwebkit4 (= 2.1.0~2011week13), libqupzilla1 (= 1.6.6-1), libstdc++6 (= 4.4.0), libqt4-sql-sqlite Size: 849366 Description: lightweight web browser based on libqtwebkit QupZilla is a new and very fast QtWebKit browser. It aims to be a lightweight web browser available through all major platforms. This project has been originally started only for educational purposes. But from its start, QupZilla has grown into a feature-rich browser. . QupZilla has all standard functions you expect from a web browser. It includes bookmarks, history (both also in sidebar) and tabs. Above that, you can manage RSS feeds with an included RSS reader, block ads with a builtin AdBlock plugin, block Flash content with Click2Flash and edit the local CA Certificates database with an SSL Manager. . QupZilla's main aim is to be a very fast and very stable QtWebKit browser available to everyone. Homepage: http://www.qupzilla.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cvksqaf9r7...@mid.individual.net
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:18:48 + (UTC) Glyn Astill glynast...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Netsurf? Midori? I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :) +1 for netsurf here. the things you discover in this list ! netsurf is really nice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150702080925.037f3...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
bri...@aracnet.com writes: On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:18:48 + (UTC) Glyn Astill glynast...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Netsurf? Midori? I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :) +1 for netsurf here. the things you discover in this list ! netsurf is really nice. Unfortunately it won't log me into my email account down there in www.libero.it. Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhey4igo@gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Netsurf? Midori? I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :) All the best, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150701181537.ga2...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:21:56 +0100 Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Or maybe the problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves? Thanks for any help, Rodolfo Take a look at http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ https://packages.debian.org/jessie/netsurf-gtk -- EMACS is my operating system; Linux is my device driver. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150701112122.6fb854bd@speedy.parsec
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:21:56 +0100 Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Or maybe the problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves? Maybe Dillo[1] could be an alternative if you want a graphical browser, or there is always Lynx[2]. How light a browser you can actually use will depend on what level of functionality you need. [1] http://www.dillo.org/ [2] http://lynx.isc.org/ Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpeY3p1thmaw.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Light web browser for old PC
On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Most browsers rely on the redering engine. On that field you mostly have no choice but Webkit and Gecko. Unfortunately, they are the engine under Chrom* and Firefox, even Opera. Espacially for Midori, it's Webkit. These are IMPOV really heavy pieces of softwares. OTOH, as you mentionned, nowadays webpages are full of those Javascript pieces of code that really need to be parsed and interpreted. There is one point of salvation, anyway: the mobile layout, that is mostly kept simple and light. Try, with your browser, to switch the User-Agent so that the website detects it as a mobile then sends you the relevant layout. On some browser (Firefox) you'll have to install an extension (you looked for lightness, but...). HTH. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55938e13.7080...@rktmb.org
Light web browser for old PC
Hi all the listers. I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for good, so simple fast and essential as it is. As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox. Please any advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine? Or maybe the problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves? Thanks for any help, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhf0l7nf@gmail.com
Re: Light web browser for old PC
In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
through simple menu buttons:
[View]-- [Images]-- { [Show images] || [Cached Images] || [No Images] }
(Any of the three options can be made the default, to be altered according
to one's need while browsing.)
So I had No Images as my default, starting Opera in text only modus;
this allowed me to move between URLs pretty fast, and when I had reached
an interesting URL, I could easily turn on graphics mode.
As pure text browsers, I prefer both: elinks and lynx.
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