Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-05 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:15:46 -0600
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mike,

  Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and
  post a link to it in the relevant query message.
 That's one way of receiving such information separately off list.

Yes, indeed it is.  I was using a somewhat narrower definition of
receiving, obviously.

 If it's off-list, and not directed at me, I don't care what it is.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-05 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:59:50PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:15:46 -0600
 Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello Mike,
 
   Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and
   post a link to it in the relevant query message.
  That's one way of receiving such information separately off list.
 
 Yes, indeed it is.  I was using a somewhat narrower definition of
 receiving, obviously.
 
  If it's off-list, and not directed at me, I don't care what it is.
 

Then again, a few mesages below this one there's a spam (I won't quote
to save the spam filter) that doesn't not include an image, just a URL.
It uses mis-spellings to sneak past the checker.  However, even
mis-spelt, phonetically it sounds correct.  How dificult is it for a
program to 'read' phonetically and compare against a database of 'bad'
words?

Doug.



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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-05 Thread Daniel B.

Douglas Tutty wrote:

..

Since the spam doesn't seem to be targeted specifically to *N*X system
users, it may be safe to think that their targeted audience mostly is
running *doze.  Sind *doze people can't handle .ps files easily there's
less incentive for the spammers to send .ps files.

So the list filter could drop any messages containing parts other than
text/html, .ps, and .gz files.  


What about people who read Linux mailing-list mail on Windows?



The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
days?).


Then anyone who replies to an old message has their message ignored.


Daniel



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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
 Douglas Tutty wrote:
 Since the spam doesn't seem to be targeted specifically to *N*X system
 users, it may be safe to think that their targeted audience mostly is
 running *doze.  Sind *doze people can't handle .ps files easily there's
 less incentive for the spammers to send .ps files.
 
 So the list filter could drop any messages containing parts other than
 text/html, .ps, and .gz files.  

On 05.01.07 11:23, Daniel B. wrote:
 What about people who read Linux mailing-list mail on Windows?

they will have to configure their mailers, or use others

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-05 Thread Jhair Tocancipa Triana
Andrew Sackville-West writes:

 On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
 
 The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
 starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
 Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
 days?).

 but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

,[ nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.linux.debian.user.SCORE ]
| ((from
|   (Michelle Konzack -1 nil r))
|  (expunge -9000))
`

SCNR ;),

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
 Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.

Please refrain from replying to spams on-list, and
especially quoting context from them. This only serves to
make statistical-classification filters less reliable.


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
  Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.
 

It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
(presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
only?

Doug.


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:30, Douglas Tutty wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
   Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.

 It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
 (presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
 just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
 a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
 only?

 Doug.

That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
computer.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:09:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
 On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:30, Douglas Tutty wrote:
  On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
   On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.
 
  It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
  (presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
  just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
  a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
  only?
 
  Doug.
 
 That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
 Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
 might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
 computer.
 

Except that I've never seen a spam with a ps file and one can turn a jpg
into ps before posting it.

Since the spam doesn't seem to be targeted specifically to *N*X system
users, it may be safe to think that their targeted audience mostly is
running *doze.  Sind *doze people can't handle .ps files easily there's
less incentive for the spammers to send .ps files.

So the list filter could drop any messages containing parts other than
text/html, .ps, and .gz files.  

The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
days?).

Doug.

 


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
 
 The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
 starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
 Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
 days?).

but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

A


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Kent West

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
  

The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
days?).



but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

A
  

Ha HA-A-A-A!!! So true. :-)

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:16:11AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
  
  The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
  starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
  Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
  days?).
 
 but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

That really would be a sad loss.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Mike McCarty

Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:


That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
computer.


Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
such information separately off list.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:25:34 -0600
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mike,

 Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
 list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
 mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
 such information separately off list.

Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and post
a link to it in the relevant query message.

Obviously, the image should be pertinent to the query.   :-)

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-04 Thread Mike McCarty

Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:25:34 -0600
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mike,



Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
such information separately off list.



Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and post
a link to it in the relevant query message.


That's one way of receiving such information separately off list.


Obviously, the image should be pertinent to the query.   :-)


If it's off-list, and not directed at me, I don't care what it is.

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MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-03 Thread Gary Roach

Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.

exacting Schooolgirls doinng splendiferous suckiing. susan  12/30/2006 
2:00PM

and

YOUR INHERITANCE FUNDS OF $15.5MMike Dana Will  01/02/2007  4:30AM

Im not exactly a prude but it does clutter up the group. The advertising 
just drives me crazy.


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

2007-01-03 Thread Steve Mazurek

Exactly right.  I never thought I'd get this sort of thing in a Linux group!

--Steve Mazurek

On 1/3/07, Gary Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.

exacting Schooolgirls doinng splendiferous suckiing. susan  12/30/2006
2:00PM

and

YOUR INHERITANCE FUNDS OF $15.5MMike Dana Will  01/02/2007  4:30AM

Im not exactly a prude but it does clutter up the group. The advertising
just drives me crazy.

GLR


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