Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:45:52 +0100 Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: Hello Marko, On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:37:10 +0400 German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: 939. [ 34.070472] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro What's sda2? Looks like it has errors. Do fsck on sda2. sda2 is a drive partition. It has no errors, but Opts: say that the partition should be (re)mounted ReadOnly *if* errors are found. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent We don't need no-one to tell us what's right or wrong The Modern World - The Jam pgpDSSiEspLpX.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Lu, 15 dec 14, 12:45:52, Marko Randjelovic wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:37:10 +0400 German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE 939. [ 34.070472] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro What's sda2? Looks like it has errors. Do fsck on sda2. Looks to me like a normal re-mount message, usually for the root filesystem. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Le 15.12.2014 19:37, German a écrit : Just for the hack of it, I tried startx and the system hangs. So it seems to me that it is server issues. Is that possible to look at server logs? Where are they located? You can find the logs /var/log. Ps: No need to CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/46a958be3fc1dfcea099a555fc793...@neutralite.org
Machine hangs at boot
My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:37:10 +0400 German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE 939. [ 34.070472] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro What's sda2? Looks like it has errors. Do fsck on sda2. -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org One should not be afraid of humans. Well, I am not afraid of humans, but of what is inhuman in them. Ivo Andric, Signs near the travel-road -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141215124552.19a9b...@eunet.rs
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Fsck says sda2 is clean. Thanks Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:37:10 +0400 German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE 939. [ 34.070472] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro What's sda2? Looks like it has errors. Do fsck on sda2. -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org One should not be afraid of humans. Well, I am not afraid of humans, but of what is inhuman in them. Ivo Andric, Signs near the travel-road -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141215124552.19a9b...@eunet.rs
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1601304.9eq4r7q...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Do you refer to SDB as 500GB disk? Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1601304.9eq4r7q...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Monday 15 December 2014 15:40:23 German wrote: Do you refer to SDB as 500GB disk? It looks so: [2.128658] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST500LM021-1KJ15 0001 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [2.130695] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB) Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/709327382.yorfe8e...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Oh OK, there really is such a disk. Unfortunately I can't remove it. My machine was running smoothly for about two months and after kernel update this thing happened. Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 15:40:23 German wrote: Do you refer to SDB as 500GB disk? It looks so: [2.128658] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST500LM021-1KJ15 0001 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [2.130695] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB) Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Monday 15 December 2014 15:48:40 German wrote: Oh OK, there really is such a disk. Unfortunately I can't remove it. My machine was running smoothly for about two months and after kernel update this thing happened. Is sdb supposed to contain a valid partition? If it is supposed to be a valid disk, then, I would say it is now corrupted… How frequently do you reboot your computer? If you reboot it infrequently and just rebooted it after the kernel update, then the disk failure may have been noticed only then. As the kernel driver handling that disk is a generic scsi, I doubt a kernel bug affects your system. The ata driver can't be blamed here either as it is recognizing sda just fine. Now, something else may be holding the boot sequence for 26 seconds just before mounting the swap partition on sda3 but you ruled out a corruption on sda2. And we lack evidences that any other peripheral is behaving strangely. Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 15:40:23 German wrote: Do you refer to SDB as 500GB disk? It looks so: [2.128658] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST500LM021-1KJ15 0001 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [2.130695] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB) Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8251684.iwjy9h4...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
SDB is ext4. It is just a disk I use for data. Under normal circumstances, when system operating normally it isn't mounted for some reason and it gets mounted when I just click on it in LXDE. I guess that's why it's not initialized Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 15:48:40 German wrote: Oh OK, there really is such a disk. Unfortunately I can't remove it. My machine was running smoothly for about two months and after kernel update this thing happened. Is sdb supposed to contain a valid partition? If it is supposed to be a valid disk, then, I would say it is now corrupted… How frequently do you reboot your computer? If you reboot it infrequently and just rebooted it after the kernel update, then the disk failure may have been noticed only then. As the kernel driver handling that disk is a generic scsi, I doubt a kernel bug affects your system. The ata driver can't be blamed here either as it is recognizing sda just fine. Now, something else may be holding the boot sequence for 26 seconds just before mounting the swap partition on sda3 but you ruled out a corruption on sda2. And we lack evidences that any other peripheral is behaving strangely. Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 15:40:23 German wrote: Do you refer to SDB as 500GB disk? It looks so: [2.128658] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST500LM021-1KJ15 0001 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [2.130695] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB) Frederic Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 14:37:10 German wrote: My machine hangs at boot, so i'd like someone to take a look at my log. Thanks http://pastebin.com/3crkJgnE Let's try another wild guess. sdb looks corrupted or not initialized [2.147780] sdb: unknown partition table Can you unplug that 500GB disk to see if the kernel isn't chocking on a hardware error? Beware that it will shift sdc to sdb. Depending on the system configuration, it might be necessary to boot in single user/rescue mode. You may also want to unplug sdc to prevent it from being accessed as sdb. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8251684.iwjy9h4...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
On Monday 15 December 2014 16:14:09 German wrote: SDB is ext4. It is just a disk I use for data. Under normal circumstances, when system operating normally it isn't mounted for some reason and it gets mounted when I just click on it in LXDE. I guess that's why it's not initialized LXDE can't mount a ext4 partition if the disk partition table is unknown. Could the partition table be in an unusual format and the new kernel doesn't support that format anymore? I doubt it. It is more likely that it got corrupted but you didn't notice until the system was rebooted. Can you check that disk with a live cd, rescue mode or whatever you have at hand? PS: I just saw your other mail where you write that catalyst is working fine. I expected that much. So sdb is again the most suspicious line reported by dmesg. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1634361.thzh7cf...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Le 15.12.2014 14:00, Frederic Marchal a écrit : On Monday 15 December 2014 15:48:40 German wrote: Oh OK, there really is such a disk. Unfortunately I can't remove it. My machine was running smoothly for about two months and after kernel update this thing happened. Is sdb supposed to contain a valid partition? If it is supposed to be a valid disk, then, I would say it is now corrupted… How frequently do you reboot your computer? If you reboot it infrequently and just rebooted it after the kernel update, then the disk failure may have been noticed only then. As the kernel driver handling that disk is a generic scsi, I doubt a kernel bug affects your system. The ata driver can't be blamed here either as it is recognizing sda just fine. Now, something else may be holding the boot sequence for 26 seconds just before mounting the swap partition on sda3 but you ruled out a corruption on sda2. And we lack evidences that any other peripheral is behaving strangely. Frederic Well I had similar... lag... in testing, since few months, because of dbus. Several other people had it, too. It could be an update of udev which introduced it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/c29b48063c885f15dc5a0863b5a44...@neutralite.org
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Rescue mode is the same as recovery mode? If so, yes I can go to recovery but not sure how to proceed to check cdb for errors. Unfortunaly I don't have a rescue cd Frederic Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: On Monday 15 December 2014 16:14:09 German wrote: SDB is ext4. It is just a disk I use for data. Under normal circumstances, when system operating normally it isn't mounted for some reason and it gets mounted when I just click on it in LXDE. I guess that's why it's not initialized LXDE can't mount a ext4 partition if the disk partition table is unknown. Could the partition table be in an unusual format and the new kernel doesn't support that format anymore? I doubt it. It is more likely that it got corrupted but you didn't notice until the system was rebooted. Can you check that disk with a live cd, rescue mode or whatever you have at hand? PS: I just saw your other mail where you write that catalyst is working fine. I expected that much. So sdb is again the most suspicious line reported by dmesg. Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1634361.thzh7cf...@fmarchal.edpnet.be
Re: Machine hangs at boot
Just for the hack of it, I tried startx and the system hangs. So it seems to me that it is server issues. Is that possible to look at server logs? Where are they located? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.12.2014 14:00, Frederic Marchal a écrit : On Monday 15 December 2014 15:48:40 German wrote: Oh OK, there really is such a disk. Unfortunately I can't remove it. My machine was running smoothly for about two months and after kernel update this thing happened. Is sdb supposed to contain a valid partition? If it is supposed to be a valid disk, then, I would say it is now corrupted… How frequently do you reboot your computer? If you reboot it infrequently and just rebooted it after the kernel update, then the disk failure may have been noticed only then. As the kernel driver handling that disk is a generic scsi, I doubt a kernel bug affects your system. The ata driver can't be blamed here either as it is recognizing sda just fine. Now, something else may be holding the boot sequence for 26 seconds just before mounting the swap partition on sda3 but you ruled out a corruption on sda2. And we lack evidences that any other peripheral is behaving strangely. Frederic Well I had similar... lag... in testing, since few months, because of dbus. Several other people had it, too. It could be an update of udev which introduced it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/c29b48063c885f15dc5a0863b5a44...@neutralite.org
Re: machine hangs at boot
On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, Nils Rennebarth wrote: Because the BIOS might not see the harddrive right? Please post your lilo.conf and your partition table. Nils Could be, but nothing in the BIOS has been changed since I first got this computer. From dmesg: hda: FUJITSU MPB3064ATU, 6187MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=788/255/63, UDMA lilo.conf: boot = /dev/hda2 delay = 40 compact vga = normal root = /dev/hda2 read-only prompt image = /vmlinuz-2.1.119 label = new image = /vmlinuz-2.1.117 label = linux Partition Table(from fdisk): Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda111 33 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda2 * 34 34 224 1534207+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 225 225 355 1052257+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda4 356 356 788 3478072+ 83 Linux native This is all the info I can think of that might be needed name anything else and I'll post it. Again, thanks for help on this =] -- -Josh Co-Admin of California.ZUH.net (Azog) ..and always remember...arf is god spelled funny.
Re: machine hangs at boot
On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:08:21PM -0500, Azog wrote: Please post your lilo.conf and your partition table. hda: FUJITSU MPB3064ATU, 6187MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=788/255/63, UDMA lilo.conf: boot = /dev/hda2 delay = 40 compact vga = normal root = /dev/hda2 read-only prompt image = /vmlinuz-2.1.119 label = new image = /vmlinuz-2.1.117 label = linux Partition Table(from fdisk): Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda111 33 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda2 * 34 34 224 1534207+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 225 225 355 1052257+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda4 356 356 788 3478072+ 83 Linux native Lilo is installed on the 2nd partition and this is the active one, looks ok. The only reason I could think of is that the MBR is damaged/not installed. If you have a DOS Bootdisk (4.0) try starting from it and give the command fdisk/mbr Then reboot again. Nils -- *-* | Quotes from the net: L Linus Torvalds, W Winfried Truemper | | Lthis is the special easter release of linux, more mundanely called 1.3.84 | | WUmh, oh. What do you mean by special easter release?. Will it quit | * Wworking today and rise on easter? * pgpo5HFqIfZfW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: machine hangs at boot
--twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:08:21PM -0500, Azog wrote: Please post your lilo.conf and your partition table. hda: FUJITSU MPB3064ATU, 6187MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=3D788/255/63, UDMA=20 lilo.conf: boot =3D /dev/hda2 delay =3D 40 compact vga =3D normal root =3D /dev/hda2 read-only prompt image =3D /vmlinuz-2.1.119 label =3D new image =3D /vmlinuz-2.1.117 label =3D linux =20 Partition Table(from fdisk): Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders Units =3D cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes =20 Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda111 33 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda2 * 34 34 224 1534207+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 225 225 355 1052257+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda4 356 356 788 3478072+ 83 Linux native Lilo is installed on the 2nd partition and this is the active one, looks ok. The only reason I could think of is that the MBR is damaged/not installed. If you have a DOS Bootdisk (4.0) try starting from it and give the command fdisk/mbr Then reboot again. Nils -- Try to put boot=/dev/hda (not /dev/hda2) in order to put LILO on the MBR. -- Pierre Blanchet.
Re: machine hangs at boot
On Thu, 03 Sep 1998, Pierre Blanchet wrote: Try to put boot=/dev/hda (not /dev/hda2) in order to put LILO on the MBR. Thanks! Its fixed now... dunno why I didn't see that prob ; I appreciate everyone's help. -- -Josh ..and always remember...arf is god spelled funny.
machine hangs at boot
Hello. After a recent reboot, lilo didn't load. It went through the memory check, and then said: Verifying DMI Pool Data .. and hung. I booted from a floppy, re-ran lilo, and it still does the same thing. Just hangs. Any ideas on what might be the cause of this? Tkanks -- -Josh Co-Admin of California.ZUH.net (Azog) ..and always remember...arf is god spelled funny. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 Comments: www.geekcode.com GCS d---(pu) s+:- a16 C++$ UL+++$ P+ L+++ !E W-- N+++ o? K+ w--- !O !M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G+ e- h! r++ y- --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
RE: machine hangs at boot
Hello. After a recent reboot, lilo didn't load. It went through the memory check, and then said: Verifying DMI Pool Data .. and hung. I booted from a floppy, re-ran lilo, and it still does the same thing. Just hangs. Any ideas on what might be the cause of this? Tkanks --- the Verifying DMI Pool Data .. message does not come from LILO, that is a message from your bios. If you never see the LILO (or even just the 'L') then you never even made it into the boot block on the disk. Try booting a dos floppy. If that fails you probably have a hardware problem. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: machine hangs at boot
On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, Kenneth Scharf wrote: the Verifying DMI Pool Data .. message does not come from LILO, that is a message from your bios. If you never see the LILO (or even just the 'L') then you never even made it into the boot block on the disk. Try booting a dos floppy. If that fails you probably have a hardware problem. I can boot fine from a linux bootdisk, and from a dos bootdisk. Just when trying to boot from /dev/hda2 that it hangs. I've tried reinstalling lilo, uninstalling it all together, modifying lilo.conf, but nothing works. If its a hardware problem, why would my system work fine booting from a floppy and not from the harddrive? -- -Josh Co-Admin of California.ZUH.net (Azog) ..and always remember...arf is god spelled funny. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 Comments: www.geekcode.com GCS d---(pu) s+:- a16 C++$ UL+++$ P+ L+++ !E W-- N+++ o? K+ w--- !O !M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G+ e- h! r++ y- --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: machine hangs at boot
On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 03:28:46PM -0500, Azog wrote: I can boot fine from a linux bootdisk, and from a dos bootdisk. Just when trying to boot from /dev/hda2 that it hangs. I've tried reinstalling lilo, uninstalling it all together, modifying lilo.conf, but nothing works. If its a hardware problem, why would my system work fine booting from a floppy and not from the harddrive? Because the BIOS might not see the harddrive right? Please post your lilo.conf and your partition table. Nils -- *-* | Quotes from the net: L Linus Torvalds, W Winfried Truemper | | Lthis is the special easter release of linux, more mundanely called 1.3.84 | | WUmh, oh. What do you mean by special easter release?. Will it quit | * Wworking today and rise on easter? * pgpzlRDYu3MHM.pgp Description: PGP signature
