Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
Short summary:

  MozillaJRE Works?
  ==
  1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.3 YES
  1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.4 unknown
  1.3-5  j2re1.3 NO
  1.3-5  j2re1.4 NO
  1.4-2  j2re1.3 NO
  1.4-2  j2re1.4 NO

Why? And how to fix?

I am trying hard to get Java to work with Mozilla:

ii  mozilla-browse 1.4-2  Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
ii  j2re1.41.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, St
ii  j2sdk1.4   1.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition

Java works, Mozilla works, but the plugin does not. j2re1.4 installs
/usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so via
symlinks into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. If I start Mozilla, then
about:plugins does *not* list the plugin.

If I manually link
/usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin.so into the
plugins tree, then about:plugins lists a number of MIME types for
which Blackdown is responsible, but it's missing one of the
important ones: application/x-java-vm.

I tried using j2{re,sdk}1.3 in place of the unstable 1.4 version,
but no different behaviour. Mozilla 1.3-5 exhibits the same problem.

I have another machine running older software, and it works
flawlessly there:

ii  mozilla-browse 1.2.1-2.bunk   Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
ii  j2re1.31.3.1.02b-2Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, St
ii  j2sdk1.3   1.3.1.02b-2Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition

What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to
work with Mozilla 1.4?

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Rich Rudnick
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 08:42, martin f krafft wrote:
 Short summary:
 
   MozillaJRE Works?
   ==
   1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.3 YES
   1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.4 unknown
   1.3-5  j2re1.3 NO
   1.3-5  j2re1.4 NO
   1.4-2  j2re1.3 NO
   1.4-2  j2re1.4 NO
 
 Why? And how to fix?
 
 I am trying hard to get Java to work with Mozilla:
 
 ii  mozilla-browse 1.4-2  Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
 ii  j2re1.41.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, St
 ii  j2sdk1.4   1.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition
snip
 What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to
 work with Mozilla 1.4?

Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
mozilla needs 1.4.2.  I got it from sun's site and it does work.

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Seneca
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:42:37PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
 Short summary:
 
   MozillaJRE Works?
   ==
   1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.3 YES
   1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.4 unknown
   1.3-5  j2re1.3 NO
   1.3-5  j2re1.4 NO
   1.4-2  j2re1.3 NO
   1.4-2  j2re1.4 NO
 
 Why? And how to fix?

Compiler versions.  Install a copy of the desired version of Java that
is compiled with gcc 3.2 if you want to use one of the newer versions of
Mozilla; use your current installation if you want to use the older
version of Mozilla (it was compiled with gcc 2.95, like the installed
Java).

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Rich Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.08.24.1833 +0200]:
 Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
 mozilla needs 1.4.2.  I got it from sun's site and it does work.

So I got to wait for blackdown to release 1.4.2 if I want to stay
with Debian packages... okay, thanks...

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Rich Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.08.24.1833 +0200]:
 Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
 mozilla needs 1.4.2.  I got it from sun's site and it does work.

Why does it then not work with Mozilla 1.3? Same restrictions?

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Rich Rudnick
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 09:41, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Rich Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.08.24.1833 +0200]:
  Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
  mozilla needs 1.4.2.  I got it from sun's site and it does work.
 
 Why does it then not work with Mozilla 1.3? Same restrictions?

Don't know :)

I think Seneca Cunningham's reply is probably the right direction to
look first, though.

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Ken Bloom
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:10:09 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:

 Short summary:
 
   MozillaJRE Works?
   == 1.2.1-2.bunk  
   j2re1.3 YES 1.2.1-2.bunk   j2re1.4 unknown
   1.3-5  j2re1.3 NO 1.3-5  j2re1.4  
 NO 1.4-2  j2re1.3 NO 1.4-2  
  j2re1.4 NO
 
 Why? And how to fix?
 
 I am trying hard to get Java to work with Mozilla:
 
 ii  mozilla-browse 1.4-2  Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
 ii  j2re1.41.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime
 Environment, St ii  j2sdk1.4   1.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2
 SDK, Standard Edition
 
 Java works, Mozilla works, but the plugin does not. j2re1.4 installs
 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so via symlinks
 into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. If I start Mozilla, then about:plugins
 does *not* list the plugin.
 
 If I manually link
 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin.so into the plugins
 tree, then about:plugins lists a number of MIME types for which
 Blackdown is responsible, but it's missing one of the important ones:
 application/x-java-vm.
 
 I tried using j2{re,sdk}1.3 in place of the unstable 1.4 version, but no
 different behaviour. Mozilla 1.3-5 exhibits the same problem.
 
 I have another machine running older software, and it works flawlessly
 there:
 
 ii  mozilla-browse 1.2.1-2.bunk   Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
 ii  j2re1.31.3.1.02b-2Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime
 Environment, St ii  j2sdk1.3   1.3.1.02b-2Blackdown Java(TM) 2
 SDK, Standard Edition
 
 What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to
 work with Mozilla 1.4?

I was at one point able to get Mozilla 1.3 to work with Java 1.4 (I since
downgraded mozilla because I wanted to stick with Galeon 1.2 series for
now)

The problem is that Mozilla 1.3 in Debian was recompiled using g++-3.2
which has a different ABI from GCC 2.95 and 3.0. As a result the Mozilla
is now binary-incompatible with the new plugin.

Here's the solution: Blackdown's Java .debs are still compiled with GCC
2.95.x, *but* blackdown does have a binary installer available of Java 1.4
compiled with g++-3.2 which you can use with Mozilla 1.3. You can also use
it to make your own .debs of Java, as I have (but I unfortunately cannot
share them because of bandwidth constraints)

I haven't tried Mozilla 1.4, so I don't know if the g++ ABI is the only
hurdle that you'll have to deal with.

I guess the question is: when will Blackdown make .debs with g++-3.2?

This problem affected Mandrake 6 to 9 months before it affected debian
because Mandrake included g++-3.1 (the first to use the new ABI) whereas
Debian did not.

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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 11:42, martin f krafft wrote:
 Short summary:
 What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to
 work with Mozilla 1.4?

deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./

apt-get install j2re1.4 j2se-common


There you are.
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Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin

2003-08-24 Thread Michael D Schleif
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:08:24:15:04:53-0400] scribed:
 On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 11:42, martin f krafft wrote:
  Short summary:
  What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to
  work with Mozilla 1.4?
 
 deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
 
 apt-get install j2re1.4 j2se-common

Excellent!  That worked for me -- thank you.

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