Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Quoting Curt (cu...@free.fr): On 2015-03-13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 13 March 2015 03:33:41 David Wright wrote: But I'm still waiting for someone to convince me to use a DE instead of my old WM. Why? I believe he means he has yet to be convinced of any DE's superiority over his old WM; if he had put the thing in the form of a question, it would have been a rhetorical one. Well, not really; quite the opposite in fact. The posting quoted above was expressing my opinion that WMs/viewports/desks are nothing new, and it's specifically newer, DE stuff that interests me. The actual sentence above refers back to my earlier posting, viz Just tell me what I'm missing, and what you are, Stephen. My appetite is whetted by postings like this: (The main drawbck of Icewm: You don't get just pampered with all those multimedia goodies allowing you to operate sound, video etc. without understanding much of what's going on under the hood.) and some of the items listed at https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-goodies but I worry after reading these two postings which seem contradictory: Gnome is overbloated by design. If you want minimalistic desktop environment, LXDE is a good choice. What are you missing in LXDE? You can install individual packages from Gnome/KDE/... For the most part, when you install GNOME, you get most everything. I don't think you can install just certain GNOME apps or features as most everything is a dependency of everything else. I tried a few years ago to do just that and failed. That's one of the reasons I switched to just a WM. But any thought of trying out a DE is on hold at the moment while I try and sort out what's making this laptop (which is where I tend to experiment) slower (and more unreliable) than usual, particularly booting up and closing down. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150316024047.gc17...@alum.home
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 2015-03-13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 13 March 2015 03:33:41 David Wright wrote: But I'm still waiting for someone to convince me to use a DE instead of my old WM. Why? I believe he means he has yet to be convinced of any DE's superiority over his old WM; if he had put the thing in the form of a question, it would have been a rhetorical one. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmg5ebf.2j2.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Friday 13 March 2015 03:33:41 David Wright wrote: But I'm still waiting for someone to convince me to use a DE instead of my old WM. Why? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503130957.10060.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Friday 13 March 2015 10:18:23 Curt wrote: On 2015-03-13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 13 March 2015 03:33:41 David Wright wrote: But I'm still waiting for someone to convince me to use a DE instead of my old WM. Why? I believe he means he has yet to be convinced of any DE's superiority over his old WM; if he had put the thing in the form of a question, it would have been a rhetorical one. Yes - I wasn't being entirely serious. His sentence seemed to me to suggest that he was a bit defensive about using a WM, and it was at that that my comment was aimed. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503131040.36319.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Quoting ken (geb...@mousecar.com): A couple decades ago our LUG had a meeting in which people showed off their favorite window managers. The only one I still remember the name of is Enlightenment and I believe it's still around. Yes, as is the one I use, fvwm, which is considerably older. Do you know about viewports? That by itself is cool and comes with gnome. IIRC (reading about X from long ago), this allows you to have four billion desktops running on the same X instance. Yes, I typically have twenty, and have had since 1996 when I started using it. Back then my monitor had much lower resolution so the viewports were oversized so they moved when the mouse tried to pass the edge. The graphics card had fewer colours too, so for example Netscape had a private colour map. As the mouse entered/left the browser window, all the colours would change. If you've got the hardware, you could have more than one monitor-- two or three or dozens of them-- all running off the same machine. Lots of configuration options here too. Yes, fvwm did that too back in the 20th century (with two graphics cards; I couldn't afford a double-headed card---what was it---the Matrox Millennium). But I'm still waiting for someone to convince me to use a DE instead of my old WM. (Typing those two letters makes me think of twm, olwm and such...) Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150313033341.ga22...@alum.home
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 03/11/2015 10:07 PM, Tazman DeVille wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:34:51PM -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo srguglie...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. You're fine. You just need to get some new friends. -- Glenn English I'm with Glenn on this one. Taz I don't know what is meant by stuff or why your friends make fun of your UI (window manager?), but you might want to google linux window managers. There are lots of options for GUIs on Linux (more precisely, OSs which run X). A couple decades ago our LUG had a meeting in which people showed off their favorite window managers. The only one I still remember the name of is Enlightenment and I believe it's still around. At the time (decades ago) you could configure it so that apps had vertical tabs hanging off the left or right side of their windows and horns jutting out from the top corners and semi-transparent windows (which can be done today in gnome-terminal) and tons of other bodacious eye candy. And there are a dozen or more other window managers you can try out, configure the heck out of, and impress your friends with. Do you know about viewports? That by itself is cool and comes with gnome. IIRC (reading about X from long ago), this allows you to have four billion desktops running on the same X instance. If you've got the hardware, you could have more than one monitor-- two or three or dozens of them-- all running off the same machine. Lots of configuration options here too. Another option would be to run virtual machines. That would allow you to run different OSs on your one Linux box. Or you could run different instances of the same Linux distro on all of them, except different window managers. So there's all kinds of ways to impress your friends with Linux GUIs. If you can back up the software with requisite hardware and spend enough time working it all, you could be a GUI rock star... if that's what you think would be worth your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5501d258.9060...@mousecar.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:34:51PM -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo srguglie...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. You're fine. You just need to get some new friends. -- Glenn English I'm with Glenn on this one. Taz -- http://taz.liberame.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150312020719.ga11...@myownsite.me
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:41:15 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2015 07:22 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote: What I am mostly missing so far under Xfce, compared to Icewm, is a toolbar placed at the BOTTOM of the screen. Using varifocal glasses, I have to strain my neck badly in order to focus the Xfce toolbar at the TOP of the screen through the LOWER area of my glasses. I have both top and bottom bars. I set the bottom one to autohide so I could recover the screen space. Ric And mine are at the left side. I have a widescreen monitor, which doesn't really match what I do with it, so waste is minimised. I do have a third small, hidden panel near the top left which contains the Debian menu, as it seems difficult to integrate that with the main Xfce menu. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150305195154.49892...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 03/05/2015 07:22 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote: What I am mostly missing so far under Xfce, compared to Icewm, is a toolbar placed at the BOTTOM of the screen. Using varifocal glasses, I have to strain my neck badly in order to focus the Xfce toolbar at the TOP of the screen through the LOWER area of my glasses. I have both top and bottom bars. I set the bottom one to autohide so I could recover the screen space. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54f8b15b.5010...@gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
The bar/s can be moved: top, bottom, centre vertical or side vertical. Right click on empty space, panel preferences, and choose which panel you want, where. Default seems to be 2. -- Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com Sent from my Apad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a29df486-bbe2-42f9-8245-2b807436c...@gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 2015-03-04 23:30, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:30:05 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer You seem to be saying you're tired of the minimalist life and want to splash out a bit so there's only XFCE for that. That would be the next step up from LXDE. Before getting a heavier DE you might try first these WM's: Enlightenment IceWM Openbox Blackbox Fluxbox Blackbox is the lightest one and is my window manager of choice. I have used it since 2010 and have found no reason to switch to something else. -- August -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/md9ddt$8ta$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
What I am mostly missing so far under Xfce, compared to Icewm, is a toolbar placed at the BOTTOM of the screen. Using varifocal glasses, I have to strain my neck badly in order to focus the Xfce toolbar at the TOP of the screen through the LOWER area of my glasses. The second shortcoming of Xfce is (at least by it's defaults) that little attention seems to have been given to the convenient possibilties of the keyboard; once your fingers know their handling, they operate independently of your brain, and you can focus on your problems instead of being permanently distracted by those positioning demands of your mouse. Another exemplary feature of Icewm that I would like to find again under Xfce, are those 3 tiny 5mm-squares(!) placed next to the digital clock into the toolbar, showing permanently the main activities of the system, each using specially coloured top-down rsp. bottom-up indexes: Square One shows the load of CPU, HDD and RAM. Square Two shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of LAN. Square Three shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of WAN (including modem activities). Alltogether, they use up just 2 cm of the toolbar, yet giving instantly a detailed insight of all important system activities - and problems. (The main drawbck of Icewm: You don't get just pampered with all those multimedia goodies allowing you to operate sound, video etc. without understanding much of what's going on under the hood.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150305122250.ga10...@fok02.laje.edewe.de
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 01:22:50PM +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote: What I am mostly missing so far under Xfce, compared to Icewm, is a toolbar placed at the BOTTOM of the screen. Using varifocal glasses, I have to strain my neck badly in order to focus the Xfce toolbar at the TOP of the screen through the LOWER area of my glasses. You can either move the toolbar or create a second one at the bottom. Right click in an empty area of the toolbar (XFCE calls it a panel) and you should see options. The second shortcoming of Xfce is (at least by it's defaults) that little attention seems to have been given to the convenient possibilties of the keyboard; once your fingers know their handling, they operate independently of your brain, and you can focus on your problems instead of being permanently distracted by those positioning demands of your mouse. There's a shortcut-key editor with quite a lot of control; no, it's not fully set up by default. Another exemplary feature of Icewm that I would like to find again under Xfce, are those 3 tiny 5mm-squares(!) placed next to the digital clock into the toolbar, showing permanently the main activities of the system, each using specially coloured top-down rsp. bottom-up indexes: Square One shows the load of CPU, HDD and RAM. Square Two shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of LAN. Square Three shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of WAN (including modem activities). Alltogether, they use up just 2 cm of the toolbar, yet giving instantly a detailed insight of all important system activities - and problems. If you add the system monitors to a panel, you'll discover that right-clicking on them allows a bit of configurability, including removing labels and making things smaller. Might not be exactly what you want, but it might be close enough. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150305133322.gt21...@randomstring.org
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:33:22 -0500 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 01:22:50PM +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote: What I am mostly missing so far under Xfce, compared to Icewm, is a toolbar placed at the BOTTOM of the screen. Using varifocal glasses, I have to strain my neck badly in order to focus the Xfce toolbar at the TOP of the screen through the LOWER area of my glasses. You can either move the toolbar or create a second one at the bottom. Right click in an empty area of the toolbar (XFCE calls it a panel) and you should see options. The second shortcoming of Xfce is (at least by it's defaults) that little attention seems to have been given to the convenient possibilties of the keyboard; once your fingers know their handling, they operate independently of your brain, and you can focus on your problems instead of being permanently distracted by those positioning demands of your mouse. There's a shortcut-key editor with quite a lot of control; no, it's not fully set up by default. Another exemplary feature of Icewm that I would like to find again under Xfce, are those 3 tiny 5mm-squares(!) placed next to the digital clock into the toolbar, showing permanently the main activities of the system, each using specially coloured top-down rsp. bottom-up indexes: Square One shows the load of CPU, HDD and RAM. Square Two shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of LAN. Square Three shows (if active) both, the sending and receiving load of WAN (including modem activities). Alltogether, they use up just 2 cm of the toolbar, yet giving instantly a detailed insight of all important system activities - and problems. If you add the system monitors to a panel, you'll discover that right-clicking on them allows a bit of configurability, including removing labels and making things smaller. Might not be exactly what you want, but it might be close enough. Another thing you might want to look at for resource monitoring is gkrellm or conky. I like gkrellm better, but YMMV. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpntjsBM_bqY.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 16:08:49 -0500 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:03:30PM -0500, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? I bet you'd be pretty happy with XFCE. Lots of responses! I was snowed in today and decided to install Xfce4. I must say, it is worlds apart from lxde and exactly what I wanted. I want to thank everyone for their suggestions! P. S. Yes, I think I'll tell my friends to mind their own business ;-) pgpe8MuNDqQ5Q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Le 04/03/2015 22:03, Stephen R Guglielmo a écrit : Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? XFCE is often cited as a lighter version of gnome. Did you have a look at it ? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? pgpQRYFTrGslF.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:03:30PM -0500, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? I bet you'd be pretty happy with XFCE. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150304210849.gn21...@randomstring.org
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 03/04/2015 10:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? Gnome is overbloated by design. If you want minimalistic desktop environment, LXDE is a good choice. What are you missing in LXDE? You can install individual packages from Gnome/KDE/... Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54f774b5.6060...@aol.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 03/04/2015 04:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? I think maybe you need to look into some other distros, I think there are still a couple that rely mostly on command-line. What is Slackware doing lately? Or Scientific Linux? You could Google for command-line Linux or something like that. I think BCD is also kind of minimal, but when I tried to run it dual-booted, it didn't seem to like to share filesystems--or something. I never got it to work. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54f77546.3040...@optonline.net
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:30:05 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer You seem to be saying you're tired of the minimalist life and want to splash out a bit so there's only XFCE for that. That would be the next step up from LXDE. Before getting a heavier DE you might try first these WM's: Enlightenment IceWM Openbox Blackbox Fluxbox They're lighter than LXDE. I've had experience with Fluxbox on a less powerful machine five years back and it was good for what you 'say' you want. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/clpe59fmpq...@mid.individual.net
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Usually I install xorg, gnome-session-fallback and gdm3. No network-manager, no pulse-audio, no nothing actually. From there you can build it up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54f7885c.7020...@xs4all.nl
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo srguglie...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. You're fine. You just need to get some new friends. -- Glenn English -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/dd53a0f4-fc33-413c-bf73-119247cba...@slsware.net
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 03/04/2015 04:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? Did you consider XFCE4? Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54f7c506.7040...@gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
Quoting Doug (dmcgarr...@optonline.net): On 03/04/2015 04:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? I think maybe you need to look into some other distros, I think there are still a couple that rely mostly on command-line. What is Slackware doing lately? Or Scientific Linux? You could Google for command-line Linux or something like that. I think BCD is also kind of minimal, but when I tried to run it dual-booted, it didn't seem to like to share filesystems--or something. I never got it to work. Perhaps you skipped the first paragraph? Anyway, I'm hard pushed to think of GUIs I use beyond Iceweasel and Chromium, xpdf, xzgv, audacious and pavucontrol (which I find confusing). I use mutt, wicd, emacs, and things like that, on a bunch of xterms under fvwm. I suppose I wonder what I'm missing in these desktops that people talk about. But I'm afraid that my laptop would struggle to run any of them. I've found that jessie (upgraded, not a clean installation) runs a whole lot slower that wheezy does. The symptom is that it thrashes the disk mercilessly, and I know it's not the fastest disk (in wheezy, you notice how everything runs almost instantly the second time, ie now that it's cached in memory). For example, if you login immediately on booting jessie, it takes ten seconds to just spit out the Password: prompt and 30 seconds or more to get through .bashrc. Still, I think that'll be the subject of a separate posting when I've got round to doing a fresh install. Just tell me what I'm missing, and what you are, Stephen. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150305014035.gc16...@alum.home
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 3/4/15, Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:03:30PM -0500, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? I bet you'd be pretty happy with XFCE. Xfce is another something I LOVE these days. Comfortable look to it. Was easy enough to download via dialup. Everything has worked as expected on unstable Sid. Recently printscreened a bunch of open programs then shared with friends to show how unscary and actually very familiar Linux/Debian can be. I debated between Xfce and LXDE before choosing Xfce. SEEMS LIKE Xfce was smaller for me to download for *some reason*. Could have been that comparing screenshots of both helped with the decision, too, I don't know. Well, that and I had already had a pleasant experience with Xfce k/t the Snowlinux 4 distribution. If you go the Xfce route, there's also Xfce Goodies that plugs in a few extra things: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-goodies NOTE: That's purely for example since people are more and more moving to Jessie from what I'm seeing. Just exchange your distribution (e.g. wheezy or sid) with jessie in that link and you'll be taken to what you need.. It *was* xfce4-goodies as the package name for me. Only noting that because there's a brand new release, Xfce 4.12, out. I'm a-suming it should still be xfce4-goodies based on that. At this point that was just noise because I'm still seeing xfce4 4.10.1 and xfce4-goodies 4.10 there at Debian for both Jessie and Sid. Good luck, whatever route you ultimately go! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Are we there yet? * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kby1yrdqbwpnuutmusyrdxzrzv3-zxhtvbz_txb66a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: Hi list, I use LXDE on my Jessie laptop. I chose this desktop environment because I don't want a lot of stuff on my system. Everything there is essentially installed by me. I have Iceweasel, Claws-Mail, another GUI program or two, but that's it. Everything else, I do in a terminal. I even use Iceweasel to open the occasional PDF I come across (eliminating the need for another PDF viewer). I suppose I'm a minimalist in this sense. I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer What exactly do you find wrong with LXDE? What is missing compared to other DEs? I use just a window manager (Openbox), a single panel (LXPanel) at the bottom, and a backdrop image. Does everything I need it to do. and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. However, I don't want all the stuff that normally comes with Gnome. I have no use for: -GUI login screen/session manager -NetworkManager -GUI package manager -GUI text editor -Chat/Contacts/Keyring manager -Photo manager I think you get the idea by now. For the most part, when you install GNOME, you get most everything. I don't think you can install just certain GNOME apps or features as most everything is a dependency of everything else. I tried a few years ago to do just that and failed. That's one of the reasons I switched to just a WM. I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome Classic interface. Is there a way to install this type of minimal gnome without breaking it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one another? Take a look at MATE ( http://mate-desktop.org/ ), a maintained fork of GNOME2. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150304171823.236f4...@debian7.boseck208.net
