Re: OT: Captchas?
On 20 Dec 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 18:26 +0100, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 20. 12. 2012 01:47:33 je Ralf Mardorf napisal(a): Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Captchas seem to be based on the wrong assumption that humans can recognize shapes whereas automata supposedly can't. Judging from the reactions on this list, I should perhaps apply for a patent for *purposely* indeciphrable captchas? I'd just have to invent a companion method for detecting unmistakably human behavior when confronted with such unsolvable captchas, such as: mad stare, hair pulling, keyboard smashing, cursing, kicking the computer, spitting, yelling and the like. I'd like to see robots emulate *that*! That's the most funniest reply in a long time :D, but your patent might have some security gaps, since e.g. spitting could be emulated http://www.synthetic-urine.de/en/products/synthetic-human-body-fluids/synthetic-saliva-din-53160-1.html I heard about artificial penises + artifical urine that should be that natural, that it's used to pass drug screenings. Captchas can be thought of as an attempt to perform the Turing test. Experience suggests that either computers can pass it and/or humans fail. AC -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk http://www.acampbell.org.uk http://www.reviewbooks.org.uk http://www.skepticviews.org.uk http://www.acupuncturecourse.org.uk http://www.smashwords.com/profile.view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121221084807.ga2...@acampbell.org.uk
Re: OT: Captchas?
AC writes: Captchas can be thought of as an attempt to perform the Turing test. Experience suggests that either computers can pass it and/or humans fail. Computers fail about 9 times out of ten. Unfortunately 10% success is good enough for the spammers while humans often give up after two or three failures. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gobtu59@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
John Hasler wrote: AC writes: Captchas can be thought of as an attempt to perform the Turing test. Experience suggests that either computers can pass it and/or humans fail. Computers fail about 9 times out of ten. Unfortunately 10% success is good enough for the spammers while humans often give up after two or three failures. well said... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kb2hqa$2rk$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
On 20 Dec 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 19:12 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. :D For people using braille they for sure much more fun, than they are already for you and me :D. I join in the chorus of people who have trouble with the things, especially now that my sight is getting worse. From the other end, as a user, I've also run into a problem. My blog runs on serendipity, which has a spam plugin that uses captchas. I had this turned on but a reader who often posts replies said he couldn't get through it. So I tried myself and the same thing happened: I got through once in about a dozen tries. So I've turned it off, so far without causing a flood of spam. On the other hand, when it was turned on I was still getting literally hundreds of spam piostings, so I don't know how useful the things are anyway. AC -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk http://www.acampbell.org.uk http://www.reviewbooks.org.uk http://www.skepticviews.org.uk http://www.acupuncturecourse.org.uk http://www.smashwords.com/profile.view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121220085649.ga1...@acampbell.org.uk
Re: OT: Captchas?
On 20/12/12 02:17, Frank McCormick wrote: On 19/12/12 07:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 18:00 -0500, Brad Alexander wrote: Anyone know what would make captcha not work? In my case the browsers are able to display it, but I'm often unable to decrypt it. I've got no issue to read the examples in the German Wiki, I'm also able to solve the arithmetic problem from the examples. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA In real live they most of the times are completely unreadable for me. Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Biggest PITA on the internet.except for spam. +1 It took me 6 attempts to solve the one from the Italian 'catasto' (housing info) required to pay the 'newly popular' local house tax. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d303aa.4070...@gmail.com
Re: OT: Captchas?
John Hasler wrote: Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. requesting new ones all the time in the hope of encountering one that is deciferable... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kav7oq$kcg$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 08:56 +, Anthony Campbell wrote: So I tried myself and the same thing happened: I got through once in about a dozen tries. I'm a dyslexic, simplified it's a perceptual disorder regarding to signs and to load data from the brain's data storage device, because of the second many artists and scientists are dyslexic, since we are well trained to reinvent the wheel each day = to invent/create new things. The first, the perceptual disorder is a PITA. So it's hard for me to distinguish e.g. an a and a d or a 6 and a b for some captchas. Now I suspect it's not my dyslexia, but a pain for everybody. Or some of you are dyslexics too ;). It's said that in the veldt the monkey only needs to be able to notice the lion, it wasn't needed to notice on what side the lion's tail was. Lion with tail to the left - b Lion with tail to the right - d That might be the reason, that humans aren't that good in recognizing characters. I wonder how it would be for people with a dyscalculia, perhaps they need a calculator to use captchas. And as already mentioned before, people using braille are completely lost. I wonder what kind of idiotic Aryan Übermensch has invented this captchas, when nobody is able to decrypt them. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356014796.3533.70.camel@q
Re: OT: Captchas?
Ralf writes: And as already mentioned before, people using braille are completely lost. Some sites offer audio captchas as an alternative. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4mku2mc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 10:09 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf writes: And as already mentioned before, people using braille are completely lost. Some sites offer audio captchas as an alternative. Yes, a blind penpal some minutes ago did inform me about that, he also has written that Dyndns does help by telephone. Audio captchas should cause issues too, perhaps I'll listen to some later. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356022053.3533.161.camel@q
Re: OT: Captchas?
Dne, 20. 12. 2012 01:47:33 je Ralf Mardorf napisal(a): Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Captchas seem to be based on the wrong assumption that humans can recognize shapes whereas automata supposedly can't. Judging from the reactions on this list, I should perhaps apply for a patent for *purposely* indeciphrable captchas? I'd just have to invent a companion method for detecting unmistakably human behavior when confronted with such unsolvable captchas, such as: mad stare, hair pulling, keyboard smashing, cursing, kicking the computer, spitting, yelling and the like. I'd like to see robots emulate *that*! -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356024390.10498.1@compax
Re: OT: Captchas?
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 18:26 +0100, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 20. 12. 2012 01:47:33 je Ralf Mardorf napisal(a): Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Captchas seem to be based on the wrong assumption that humans can recognize shapes whereas automata supposedly can't. Judging from the reactions on this list, I should perhaps apply for a patent for *purposely* indeciphrable captchas? I'd just have to invent a companion method for detecting unmistakably human behavior when confronted with such unsolvable captchas, such as: mad stare, hair pulling, keyboard smashing, cursing, kicking the computer, spitting, yelling and the like. I'd like to see robots emulate *that*! That's the most funniest reply in a long time :D, but your patent might have some security gaps, since e.g. spitting could be emulated http://www.synthetic-urine.de/en/products/synthetic-human-body-fluids/synthetic-saliva-din-53160-1.html I heard about artificial penises + artifical urine that should be that natural, that it's used to pass drug screenings. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356026021.3533.173.camel@q
Re: OT: Captchas?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:40:31 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 19:12 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. :D For people using braille they for sure much more fun, than they are already for you and me :D. Responsible sites offer an audio alternative. Of course, those who are both visually and audiologically impaired are going to be in trouble ... Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121220114332.348eeb1f.cele...@gmail.com
OT: Captchas?
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 18:00 -0500, Brad Alexander wrote: Anyone know what would make captcha not work? In my case the browsers are able to display it, but I'm often unable to decrypt it. I've got no issue to read the examples in the German Wiki, I'm also able to solve the arithmetic problem from the examples. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA In real live they most of the times are completely unreadable for me. Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1355964453.2501.244.camel@q
Re: OT: Captchas?
Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcbxttk4@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
On 19/12/12 07:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 18:00 -0500, Brad Alexander wrote: Anyone know what would make captcha not work? In my case the browsers are able to display it, but I'm often unable to decrypt it. I've got no issue to read the examples in the German Wiki, I'm also able to solve the arithmetic problem from the examples. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA In real live they most of the times are completely unreadable for me. Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Biggest PITA on the internet.except for spam. -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d2670f.2090...@videotron.ca
Re: OT: Captchas?
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 19:12 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. :D For people using braille they for sure much more fun, than they are already for you and me :D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1355967631.2501.283.camel@q
Re: OT: Captchas?
On 19/12/12 07:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 18:00 -0500, Brad Alexander wrote: Anyone know what would make captcha not work? In my case the browsers are able to display it, but I'm often unable to decrypt it. I've got no issue to read the examples in the German Wiki, I'm also able to solve the arithmetic problem from the examples. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA In real live they most of the times are completely unreadable for me. Perhaps I'm a computer and I only guess that I'm human. Biggest PITA on the internet.except for spam. -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d26563.7060...@videotron.ca
To of the Biggest PITA on the internet - Was: Re: OT: Captchas?
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 20:17 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote: Biggest PITA on the internet.except for spam. I agree, HTML mails that make intense usage of exotic fonts are seldom, but OTOH there are nice scripts, I e.g. can't open my telephone bill with a click and the right-click to download the telephone bill is disabled. Counting the amount of trackers used by just one page can be very entertaining. I like it, if I can't close a window and special FX like that. What about information, that we use an outdated version of flash, or web pages that verbally abuse us, that we should remove our we don't like the Internet plugs? Also very funny is to be customer of a blackhole listed provider. 1. Spam 2. scripts, flash, some cooky policies, some usage of HTML for emails 3. blackhole listed providers, provider that have difficulties to fulfil RFCs. I e.g. had to beg for postmaster 4. Chambers that sue completely clueless users 5. Completely clueless users What is Invitations to join friendship with somebody at LinkIn? Is it 1. spam, 5. completely clueless user or a own category? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1355969845.2501.314.camel@q
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1. Spam 2. Idiots that make typos for the subject, for something that already is OT An example [1] 3. scripts, flash, some cooky policies, some usage of HTML for emails 4. blackhole listed providers, provider that have difficulties to fulfil RFCs. I e.g. had to beg for postmaster 5. Chambers that sue completely clueless users 6. Completely clueless users [1] To of the Biggest PITA on the internet - Was: Re: OT: Captchas? should be Top of the Biggest PITA on the internet - Was: Re: OT: Captchas? and this additionally is OT on a technical support mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1355970128.2501.318.camel@q
