Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On Saturday, 15 Jan 2022 at 17:17, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > I wouldn't use a Dell or HP I don't have a choice due to tendering processes where I work. In any case, I recently acquired a new Dell laptop (Latitude 7320) and it both works very well with Debian and is actually a very nice laptop, especially the matt screen (which doesn't have touch, a plus in my mind). Just my 2¢. -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 2022-01-15 17:13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 12 ian 22, 08:54:50, john doe wrote: Debians, i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. I'm thinking about two options: - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it - Buying a pine64 or alike - Any other alternative? The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on it. Any suggestion is appreciated. Since you didn't mention any kind of budget constraints, you might want to consider Thinkpads (previously IBM, now Lenovo). The build quality is generally high (especially for the more expensive series, like T) and you get detailed manuals on how to take it apart for upgrades or repairs. Compatibility with Linux is also generally very good and there are even some models that come with Linux pre-installed. Many Linux developers like them as well (not least because of the very good keyboards) which only helps with compatibility. If price is a concern, even second-hand / refurbished Thinkpads usually provide good value for the money. Hope this helps, Andrei Just be aware that current Thinkpad compatibility isn't what it was in the past. I am a long-time Thinkpad user (I *think* I started with the T40, not sure anymore) and with the latest models I have had some issues (mostly with external displays). Some were solvable with effort, some not. I do not include the well-known problems with fingerprint readers in this. Those I knew about up front, so that was my own choice. Grx HdV
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On Saturday 15 January 2022 11:13:49 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 12 ian 22, 08:54:50, john doe wrote: > > Debians, > > > > i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop > > dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. > > > > I'm thinking about two options: > > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > > - Buying a pine64 or alike > > - Any other alternative? > > > > The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. > > > > Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on it. > > > > Any suggestion is appreciated. > > Since you didn't mention any kind of budget constraints, you might want > to consider Thinkpads (previously IBM, now Lenovo). > > The build quality is generally high (especially for the more expensive > series, like T) and you get detailed manuals on how to take it apart for > upgrades or repairs. > > Compatibility with Linux is also generally very good and there are even > some models that come with Linux pre-installed. > > Many Linux developers like them as well (not least because of the very > good keyboards) which only helps with compatibility. > > If price is a concern, even second-hand / refurbished Thinkpads usually > provide good value for the money. > > > Hope this helps, > Andrei I'll second this. I had a "refurbished" Thinkpad that I used rather extensively for _six years_ before something went wrong with it and gave me a "system board error". No issues with running linux on it at all, though I was running Slackware at the time. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On Mi, 12 ian 22, 08:54:50, john doe wrote: > Debians, > > i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop > dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. > > I'm thinking about two options: > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > - Buying a pine64 or alike > - Any other alternative? > > The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. > > Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on it. > > Any suggestion is appreciated. Since you didn't mention any kind of budget constraints, you might want to consider Thinkpads (previously IBM, now Lenovo). The build quality is generally high (especially for the more expensive series, like T) and you get detailed manuals on how to take it apart for upgrades or repairs. Compatibility with Linux is also generally very good and there are even some models that come with Linux pre-installed. Many Linux developers like them as well (not least because of the very good keyboards) which only helps with compatibility. If price is a concern, even second-hand / refurbished Thinkpads usually provide good value for the money. Hope this helps, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 15/1/22 5:17 pm, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 15/1/22 2:30 pm, john doe wrote: I've looked a bit online and laptops with a Ryzen CPU (5 .../7 ...) are between 550 and 1000 box or more. is this price range what you were suggesting? IN other words, if you were to buy a new laptop which one would you pick. Thanks all for the model suggestions and ensuring that KVM support is available. -- John Doe There is a resource listing debian compatible devices at https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn A list of PCiE laptops is at https://laptop251.com/ssd-laptops/ (They are all intel though) I use acer as they are well manufactured. I assume ASUS and MSI are similar. I wouldn't use a Dell or HP If I was forced to nominate a single laptop I would say Acer Aspire 7, AMD Ryzen 5-5500U, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Nvidia GTX 1650 This is because it has the right drive type and memory type so it can be upgraded where it matters. It's also reasonably mature so not so pricey and has had time for linux drivers to be developed. This does not exclude countless other options which will certainly be better on some criteria. NB I don't have this device and have chosen it only on the reputation of Acer and the documented upgrade path. -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 15/1/22 2:30 pm, john doe wrote: I've looked a bit online and laptops with a Ryzen CPU (5 .../7 ...) are between 550 and 1000 box or more. is this price range what you were suggesting? IN other words, if you were to buy a new laptop which one would you pick. Thanks all for the model suggestions and ensuring that KVM support is available. -- John Doe There is a resource listing debian compatible devices at https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn A list of PCiE laptops is at https://laptop251.com/ssd-laptops/ (They are all intel though) I use acer as they are well manufactured. I assume ASUS and MSI are similar. I wouldn't use a Dell or HP -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
* 2022-01-12 08:54:50+0100, john doe wrote: > Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian > on it. I would probably buy a Tuxedo laptop with preinstalled Tuxedo OS or Ubuntu in it. Debian option is not currently available but I believe Debian 11 will also work because the preinstalled Ubuntu is currently version 20.04 LTS. https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/Alle.tuxedo I have not purchased anything from Tuxedo Computers so I can't really tell myself. In principle I think it is a good idea to support a real Linux brand. -- /// Teemu Likonen - .-.. https://www.iki.fi/tlikonen/ // OpenPGP: 6965F03973F0D4CA22B9410F0F2CAE0E07608462 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 1/12/2022 9:29 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 12/1/22 4:12 pm, Jeremy Ardley wrote: The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. My advice is if you are going to be doing any virtual work is get a laptop with - decent processor ( I use Ryzen mid range ) - Expandable memory to 32G - NVME PCIe system drive (256G upwards) - Large internal secondary drive - typically SATA 1G + In terms of things just working nicely, I prefer ASUS, but most brands with those specs will be able to do all you want. Standard off the shelf systems are either very expensive or don't have the memory and disk you will need. Get the cheapest one with the capabilities needed and do the upgrades yourself for usually a lot cheaper -- Jeremy Typical laptops off the shelf offer 8G ram, 256G drive (beware of SATA instead of preferred PCIe) and if you are lucky a 1T SATA secondary HDD (mistake in previous post 1T not 1G). Check the specs on these to see how much RAM you can upgrade to. 32G or better is what you want. And always get a good CPU to start with. Ryzen 5 is very workable. I've looked a bit online and laptops with a Ryzen CPU (5 .../7 ...) are between 550 and 1000 box or more. is this price range what you were suggesting? IN other words, if you were to buy a new laptop which one would you pick. Thanks all for the model suggestions and ensuring that KVM support is available. -- John Doe
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
john doe wrote: > I'm thinking about two options: > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > - Buying a pine64 or alike > - Any other alternative? regarding arm or aarch64 I tried with RPi4, but it could not meet all requirements (not all applications I use can be compiled for arm) On the company notebook (HP EliteBook 850 G4) I boot with USB stick, because I am not allowed to modify the hard disk. Everything seems fine - I am using it in this dual mode for about an year now and also on business trips. I would buy the same for me if I needed, I don't like Amazon, but it says it is there for 499,- US -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
john doe writes: > Debians, > > i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop > dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. > > I'm thinking about two options: > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > - Buying a pine64 or alike > - Any other alternative? > > The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. For now i am using ThinkPad E495. That is KVM(virt-manager) available. CPU is AMD Ryzen. Very good with Debian 11 Bullseye. -- System Information: Debian Release: 11.2 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-9-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads) Locale: LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ko_KR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Sincerely, Byung-Hee
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 12/1/22 4:12 pm, Jeremy Ardley wrote: The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. My advice is if you are going to be doing any virtual work is get a laptop with - decent processor ( I use Ryzen mid range ) - Expandable memory to 32G - NVME PCIe system drive (256G upwards) - Large internal secondary drive - typically SATA 1G + In terms of things just working nicely, I prefer ASUS, but most brands with those specs will be able to do all you want. Standard off the shelf systems are either very expensive or don't have the memory and disk you will need. Get the cheapest one with the capabilities needed and do the upgrades yourself for usually a lot cheaper -- Jeremy Typical laptops off the shelf offer 8G ram, 256G drive (beware of SATA instead of preferred PCIe) and if you are lucky a 1T SATA secondary HDD (mistake in previous post 1T not 1G). Check the specs on these to see how much RAM you can upgrade to. 32G or better is what you want. And always get a good CPU to start with. Ryzen 5 is very workable. -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 1/12/22 09:54, john doe wrote: > Debians, > > i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop > dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. > > I'm thinking about two options: > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > - Buying a pine64 or alike > - Any other alternative? > > The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. > > Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on > it. > > Any suggestion is appreciated. > > -- Hi John, be sure that virtualization software you want to use is supported by your new computer's architecture. For example VirtualBox is a virtualization software for x86 and amd64 only while pine64's architecture is arm64 (AArch64). Kind regards Georgi
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On 12/1/22 3:54 pm, john doe wrote: Debians, i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. I'm thinking about two options: - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it - Buying a pine64 or alike - Any other alternative? The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. My advice is if you are going to be doing any virtual work is get a laptop with - decent processor ( I use Ryzen mid range ) - Expandable memory to 32G - NVME PCIe system drive (256G upwards) - Large internal secondary drive - typically SATA 1G + In terms of things just working nicely, I prefer ASUS, but most brands with those specs will be able to do all you want. Standard off the shelf systems are either very expensive or don't have the memory and disk you will need. Get the cheapest one with the capabilities needed and do the upgrades yourself for usually a lot cheaper -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
Debians, i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. I'm thinking about two options: - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it - Buying a pine64 or alike - Any other alternative? The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on it. Any suggestion is appreciated. -- John Doe
