Re: PowerBook G4 OS
Thank you Luna. I think this might be what I am looking for. Bob On Thu, Jan 12, 2023, at 13:29, Luna Jernberg wrote: > https://www.adelielinux.org/ > > On 1/10/23, Bob Crochelt wrote: > > Good afternoon: > > I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a > > more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? > > Thanks to all who have lent support to this list. > > Bob Crochelt > > > > > >
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
https://www.adelielinux.org/ On 1/10/23, Bob Crochelt wrote: > Good afternoon: > I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a > more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? > Thanks to all who have lent support to this list. > Bob Crochelt > >
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Bob Crochelt wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 09:59:48AM +0100, didier gaumet wrote: >> Le mardi 10 janvier 2023 à 16:32 -0800, Bob Crochelt a écrit : >> > > >> > Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the help and advice. Think >> > I >> > will just sit tight with the system, as it works fine for what I >> > need: >> > email, a little (slow surfing) and some note writing. >> > >> > I imagine you have saved me many hours of frustration. >> > >> > Regards >> > Bob Crochelt >> >> Hello, >> >> That would leave you with unmaintained software, though, with obvious >> risks accessing the internet (web, mail, etc...) >> >> Debian port for a Powerbook G4 is unofficial and I don't know the >> actual state of this port. >> >> NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD all seem to have an active and official >> port for the PowerPC G4. >> >> > Thanks for this information. I was aware that Jessie is not maintained; > that was the reason for my inquiry. I will look into your suggestions > Regards > Bob Crochelt What I have isn't a powerbook, it's a PowerMac G4 Silver, which may or may-not make a difference. In any case, it runs fine on "sid". Here's what /proc/cpuinfo says about it: processor : 0 cpu : 7410, altivec supported temperature : 35-37 C (uncalibrated) clock : 533.32MHz revision: 1.3 (pvr 800c 1103) bogomips: 66.58 timebase: 33290001 platform: PowerMac model : PowerMac3,4 machine : PowerMac3,4 motherboard : PowerMac3,4 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh detected as : 69 (PowerMac G4 Silver) pmac flags : 0010 L2 cache: 1024K unified pmac-generation : NewWorld Memory : 1536 MB And "uname -a" says: Linux dillserver 6.0.0-6-powerpc #1 Debian 6.0.12-1 (2022-12-09) ppc GNU/Linux Rick
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 09:59:48AM +0100, didier gaumet wrote: > Le mardi 10 janvier 2023 à 16:32 -0800, Bob Crochelt a écrit : > > > > > Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the help and advice. Think > > I > > will just sit tight with the system, as it works fine for what I > > need: > > email, a little (slow surfing) and some note writing. > > > > I imagine you have saved me many hours of frustration. > > > > Regards > > Bob Crochelt > > Hello, > > That would leave you with unmaintained software, though, with obvious > risks accessing the internet (web, mail, etc...) > > Debian port for a Powerbook G4 is unofficial and I don't know the > actual state of this port. > > NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD all seem to have an active and official > port for the PowerPC G4. > > Thanks for this information. I was aware that Jessie is not maintained; that was the reason for my inquiry. I will look into your suggestions Regards Bob Crochelt
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
I second and recommend FreeBSD. I can’t guarantee it’ll just work but I had a Sawtooth G4 years ago and it was great until the hardware died. On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:18 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > No, there is no release for this architecture. The architecture's state > is > > "unofficial" and the only branch is unstable/sid. This branch may or may > not > > work. If you want to use Debian unstable/sid just replace "jessie" with > > "sid" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do: > > While Sven is right to point out that upgrading directly from Debian > 8 to Sid is rather risky, and while it's important to clarify that Sid > can indeed be broken, I believe this ends up sounding much more > discouraging than it should: since there is still a `powerpc` ports > being updated, you should expect that it *does* work. > > I think in your place, I would start by trying to boot your current > installation with Sid's kernel. If that works, then I'd make a fresh > install using `debootstrap` into a new partition (you can then try out > the new install using `chroot` as well as using dual-boot). Or maybe > I'd start by cloning your current root partition, and then try my luck > at a plain `apt full-upgrade`: in case of problem you can simply boot > back into your original root partition. > > > Stefan > >
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
> No, there is no release for this architecture. The architecture's state is > "unofficial" and the only branch is unstable/sid. This branch may or may not > work. If you want to use Debian unstable/sid just replace "jessie" with > "sid" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do: While Sven is right to point out that upgrading directly from Debian 8 to Sid is rather risky, and while it's important to clarify that Sid can indeed be broken, I believe this ends up sounding much more discouraging than it should: since there is still a `powerpc` ports being updated, you should expect that it *does* work. I think in your place, I would start by trying to boot your current installation with Sid's kernel. If that works, then I'd make a fresh install using `debootstrap` into a new partition (you can then try out the new install using `chroot` as well as using dual-boot). Or maybe I'd start by cloning your current root partition, and then try my luck at a plain `apt full-upgrade`: in case of problem you can simply boot back into your original root partition. Stefan
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
Le mardi 10 janvier 2023 à 16:32 -0800, Bob Crochelt a écrit : > > > Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the help and advice. Think > I > will just sit tight with the system, as it works fine for what I > need: > email, a little (slow surfing) and some note writing. > > I imagine you have saved me many hours of frustration. > > Regards > Bob Crochelt Hello, That would leave you with unmaintained software, though, with obvious risks accessing the internet (web, mail, etc...) Debian port for a Powerbook G4 is unofficial and I don't know the actual state of this port. NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD all seem to have an active and official port for the PowerPC G4.
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 11:03:42PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 1/10/23 22:45, Bob Crochelt wrote: > > Good afternoon: > > I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a > > more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? > > No, there is no release for this architecture. The architecture's state is > "unofficial" and the only branch is unstable/sid. This branch may or may not > work. If you want to use Debian unstable/sid just replace "jessie" with > "sid" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do: > > # apt update > # apt upgrade > # apt dist-upgrade > > Kind regards > Georgi > Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the help and advice. Think I will just sit tight with the system, as it works fine for what I need: email, a little (slow surfing) and some note writing. I imagine you have saved me many hours of frustration. Regards Bob Crochelt
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 4:04 PM Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > > On 1/10/23 22:45, Bob Crochelt wrote: > > Good afternoon: > > I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a > > more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? > > No, there is no release for this architecture. The architecture's state > is "unofficial" and the only branch is unstable/sid. This branch may or > may not work. If you want to use Debian unstable/sid just replace > "jessie" with "sid" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do: > > # apt update > # apt upgrade > # apt dist-upgrade Also see "How to release upgrade your distribution", https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade . Jeff
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On 2023-01-10 12:45 -0800, Bob Crochelt wrote: > I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a > more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? No, there is no more recent release, at least not of Debian. The powerpc architecture is still hosted on debian-ports[1], but contains only the unstable branch of Debian, so packages will contain new and exciting bugs rather than the boring old ones you get in stable. Trying to upgrade from Debian 8 will most likely completely break in all kinds of ways, so if you want to switch to unstable the best way is to reinstall. You can find a ~10 months netinst iso at [2]. If you are feeling less adventurous, you could use debootstrap to setup a chroot first and try the newest software there. Good luck, Sven 1. https://www.ports.debian.org/ 2. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/current/
Re: PowerBook G4 OS
On 1/10/23 22:45, Bob Crochelt wrote: Good afternoon: I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? No, there is no release for this architecture. The architecture's state is "unofficial" and the only branch is unstable/sid. This branch may or may not work. If you want to use Debian unstable/sid just replace "jessie" with "sid" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do: # apt update # apt upgrade # apt dist-upgrade Kind regards Georgi
PowerBook G4 OS
Good afternoon: I have a Powerbook G4 currently running Debian 8 (Jessie). Is there a more recent release supported on PPC, and where could I find it please? Thanks to all who have lent support to this list. Bob Crochelt
