Re: make-kpkg problem
Am 2006-10-03 17:47:26, schrieb Wayne Topa: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: snip I have also tried different version of the kernel-package. kernel-package_10.047_all.deb kernel-package_10.052_all.deb kernel-package_10.049_all.deb kernel-package_10.054_all.deb Without any success so it must be something else. Right, you have installed kernel-package from Etch/sid in a Sarge System... get the right package from http://www.backports.org/ Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Michelle Konzack([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Am 2006-10-03 17:47:26, schrieb Wayne Topa: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: snip I have also tried different version of the kernel-package. kernel-package_10.047_all.deb kernel-package_10.052_all.deb kernel-package_10.049_all.deb kernel-package_10.054_all.deb Without any success so it must be something else. Right, you have installed kernel-package from Etch/sid in a Sarge System... get the right package from http://www.backports.org/ On an etch/sid system. I have been pinned to etch for a long time now. Thanks Michelle, I got through the packages and try to figure out what got installed by (my) mistake. Beat Regards Wayne -- C, n.: A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or anything else. It is either the best language available to the art today, or it isn't. -- Ray Simard ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem (Updated info)
Wayne Topa([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: VT3 root-3-ETCH:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17# make-kpkg --revision 1:buddy.2.2.17 --initrd kernel_image exec make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk debian DEBIAN_REVISION=1:buddy.2.2.17 INITRD=YES /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:44: /ruleset/common/archvars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:45: /ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:46: /ruleset/misc/defaults.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:47: no file name for `-include' /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:48: /ruleset/misc/config.mk: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `/ruleset/misc/config.mk'. Stop. Failed to create a ./debian directory: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 1074. THe same thing with make-kpkg --revision 1:buddy.2.2.17 --bzimage kernel_image I have also tried different version of the kernel-package. kernel-package_10.047_all.deb kernel-package_10.052_all.deb kernel-package_10.049_all.deb kernel-package_10.054_all.deb Without any success so it must be something else. The kernels I tried it on are: linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-8_all.deb linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-9_all.deb As I did not find any mention of this (Google, Debian Bugs, D-U) I must be doing something very wrong here. I tried kernel-package_8.135_all.deb. make-kpkg clean does not give the above errors. The kernel compiles with --bzimage but fails if I change to --initrd. I must have installed some packages from the unstable branch and they are screwing up kernel-package, somehow. I hope it will straighten itself out in a week or so. Wayne -- Real programmers disdain structured programming. Structured programming is for compulsive neurotics who were prematurely toilet-trained. They wear neckties and carefully line up pencils on otherwise clear desks. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
On 10/03/2006 04:47 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: [...] Quick question: did you do a make-kpkg clean first? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Mumia W..([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: On 10/03/2006 04:47 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: [...] Quick question: did you do a make-kpkg clean first? Sorry about that. I shhould have mentioned that. VT3 root-3-ETCH:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg clean exec make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk clean /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:44: /ruleset/common/archvars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:45: /ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:46: /ruleset/misc/defaults.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:47: no file name for `-include' /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:48: /ruleset/misc/config.mk: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `/ruleset/misc/config.mk'. Stop. Wayne -- Computers can never replace human stupidity. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
On 10/03/2006 09:35 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: Mumia W..([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: On 10/03/2006 04:47 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: Hi all I have been trying to find the answer to this problem on and off for a month or so. I can't compile a kernel using kpkg without getting these errors: [...] Quick question: did you do a make-kpkg clean first? Sorry about that. I shhould have mentioned that. VT3 root-3-ETCH:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg clean exec make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk clean /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:44: /ruleset/common/archvars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:45: /ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:46: /ruleset/misc/defaults.mk: No such file or directory /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:47: no file name for `-include' /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:48: /ruleset/misc/config.mk: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `/ruleset/misc/config.mk'. Stop. Wayne I'm sorry. I can only answer for the stable distribution. My /usr/share/kernel-package directory doesn't even have a ruleset directory. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Ritesh, Edit your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf file and add the following: do_clean:=No Steve On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 01:16:50AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Hello all, One generic problem. I use make-kpkg to recompile kernels and get my kernel images in .deb . Now everytime the kernel image is created, make-kpkg seems to clean up the build directory. If I missed something, I'm supposed to start of from the very beginning. Is there any option to pass on to make-kpkg, telling it not to clean the build directory while it creates the kernel_image file. rrs = Steve Mayer Oracle Corporation Project Lead1211 SW 5th Ave. Portland Development Center Suite 900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, OR 97204 Phone: 503-525-3127 = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your reply. It was really helpful. One more stupid question. I hit `make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd` later if I hit `make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd - --append_to_version=compact` or anything meaningful I get errors like this: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.3, but I thought the version is 2.6.3compact. make: *** [stamp-debian] Error 1 Is it that once the name set we can't change or is there some way. I tried `make-kpkg clean` etc but none work. The only solution I find presently is to: rm -rf $KERNEL_SOURCE_DIR tar -jxvf $KERNEL_SOURCE_FILE Please forgive me if this annoys you people much. rrs On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Steve Mayer wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:14:47 -0800 From: Steve Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: make-kpkg problem Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:15:29 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ritesh, Edit your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf file and add the following: do_clean:=No Steve On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 01:16:50AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Hello all, One generic problem. I use make-kpkg to recompile kernels and get my kernel images in .deb . Now everytime the kernel image is created, make-kpkg seems to clean up the build directory. If I missed something, I'm supposed to start of from the very beginning. Is there any option to pass on to make-kpkg, telling it not to clean the build directory while it creates the kernel_image file. rrs = Steve Mayer Oracle Corporation Project Lead 1211 SW 5th Ave. Portland Development Center Suite 900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, OR 97204 Phone: 503-525-3127 = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ritesh Raj Sarraf Email: rrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] researchut.com Web: http://www.researchut.com Phone: +91-9899655651 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFAT4+E4Rhi6gTxMLwRAploAKCFmsZQluCZ1wWbBus+igEQlgqI1QCePpOl NJuSQjgl6CGzq/NkfrK+Fv4= =zlFn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Ritesh, I believe that all this info is held in the stamp-* files in the root of the kernel source. When you do a make-kpkg clean do these files get removed? If not, remove them and try your command again. Steve On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 03:28:21AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your reply. It was really helpful. One more stupid question. I hit `make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd` later if I hit `make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd - --append_to_version=compact` or anything meaningful I get errors like this: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.3, but I thought the version is 2.6.3compact. make: *** [stamp-debian] Error 1 Is it that once the name set we can't change or is there some way. I tried `make-kpkg clean` etc but none work. The only solution I find presently is to: rm -rf $KERNEL_SOURCE_DIR tar -jxvf $KERNEL_SOURCE_FILE Please forgive me if this annoys you people much. rrs On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Steve Mayer wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:14:47 -0800 From: Steve Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: make-kpkg problem Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:15:29 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ritesh, Edit your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf file and add the following: do_clean:=No Steve On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 01:16:50AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Hello all, One generic problem. I use make-kpkg to recompile kernels and get my kernel images in .deb . Now everytime the kernel image is created, make-kpkg seems to clean up the build directory. If I missed something, I'm supposed to start of from the very beginning. Is there any option to pass on to make-kpkg, telling it not to clean the build directory while it creates the kernel_image file. rrs = Steve Mayer Oracle Corporation Project Lead1211 SW 5th Ave. Portland Development Center Suite 900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, OR 97204 Phone: 503-525-3127 = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ritesh Raj Sarraf Email: rrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] researchut.com Web: http://www.researchut.comPhone: +91-9899655651 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFAT4+E4Rhi6gTxMLwRAploAKCFmsZQluCZ1wWbBus+igEQlgqI1QCePpOl NJuSQjgl6CGzq/NkfrK+Fv4= =zlFn -END PGP SIGNATURE- = Steve Mayer Oracle Corporation Project Lead1211 SW 5th Ave. Portland Development Center Suite 900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, OR 97204 Phone: 503-525-3127 = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:25:28AM +0800, Joel wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
That looks like gcc isn't installed.
$ gcc --version
3.0.2
thanks anyway.
Do you have the environment variable $CC set to something else? What
does the following print?
${CC:-gcc} --print-libgcc-file-name
This is essentially what dpkg does to find the architecture, and the
not in remapping table message indicates that that's gone wrong.
Having gcc 3.0.2 as the default /usr/bin/gcc suggests you're not using
Debian's normal gcc setup, so something may still be awry.
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Re: make-kpkg problem
Colin Watson wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:25:28AM +0800, Joel wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
That looks like gcc isn't installed.
$ gcc --version
3.0.2
thanks anyway.
Do you have the environment variable $CC set to something else? What
does the following print?
${CC:-gcc} --print-libgcc-file-name
OK. It was not set.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ export CC=gcc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ${CC:-gcc} --print-libgcc-file-name
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/3.0.2/libgcc.a
then I rerun
$ make-kpkg clean
.SAME RESULTS
Having gcc 3.0.2 as the default /usr/bin/gcc suggests you're not using
Debian's normal gcc setup, so something may still be awry.
You are right. I had originally installed potato rev 3. I have a very
limited and slow internet connection and cannot
do an upgrade via the NET. What I can do is download individual packages
and sometimes copy somewhere other
than a Debian source(for apt) and install them.
So what I have now installed is
$ dpkg --list | grep gcc
ri gcc 2.95.4-6 The GNU C compiler.
ri gcc-2.95 2.95.4-0.01090 The GNU C compiler.
ii gcc-3.0 3.0.2-0pre0109 The GNU C compiler.
ii gcc-3.0-base 3.0.2-0pre0109 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package).
ri libgcc1 3.0.2-0pre0109 GCC support library.
ri libgcc300 3.0-0pre010403 Shared libgcc.
and I created a symlink
/usr/bin/gcc - gcc-3.0
Anyway, this is just an exercise for me(the mk-kpkg thing). Thank you
so much for your patience.
I am never giving up though. Any hints as to solve this is greatly
appreciated.
Thanks a lot, Colin Watson.
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Re: make-kpkg problem
Joel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i tried to compile package a custom built kernel and encountered this error. [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux$ make-kpkg clean dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table Your architecture seems to be misrecognized. If you aren't able to figure out why, you may want to force a correct name by setting it yourself: make-kpkg --arch i386 clean This is normally used for cross compiling. Of course it would be better to find the real reason for your problem. [x] ulf -- If at first you don't succeed, try management. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 07:51:52PM +0800, Joel wrote: i tried to compile package a custom built kernel and encountered this error. - - - - - - - start [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux$ make-kpkg clean dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table rm -f modules/modversions.h modules/ksyms.ver debian/files stamp-build stamp-configure stamp-source stamp-image stamp-headers stamp-src stamp-diff stamp-doc stamp-buildpackage stamp-libc-kheaders stamp-debian test ! -f .config || cp -pf .config config.precious test -f Makefile /usr/bin/make ARCH=i386-none distclean make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux' Makefile:247: arch/i386-none/Makefile: No such file or directory That looks like gcc isn't installed. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Ulf Rompe wrote: Your architecture seems to be misrecognized. do you have any idea how do I correct this? $ dpkg --print-architecture i386 If you aren't able to figure out why, you may want to force a correct name by setting it yourself: make-kpkg --arch i386 clean [x] ulf ok. but continuing... $ fakeroot make-kpkg --arch=i386 --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image [ ... ] make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux' test -f stamp-configure || /usr/bin/make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/rules configure /usr/bin/make ARCH=i386 \ CROSS_COMPILE=i386-linux- bzImage make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux' make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux/scripts' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux/scripts' scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux/init' i386-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -march=i686 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=main -c -o main.o main.c /bin/sh: i386-linux-gcc: command not found make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux/init' make[1]: *** [init] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.19/linux' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 - - - - end thanks for the help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Colin Watson wrote: That looks like gcc isn't installed. $ gcc --version 3.0.2 thanks anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:31:17PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: try doing a make-kpkg clean and then starting it again. Remember that after a clean you must run it with the --revision switch if you want to add a revision (and you do want to add a revision). Thanks. I had done the make-kpkg clean, but wasn't adding a revision. The revision gave an error message the reminded me I'd forgotten to delete the debian/official file. -- Lance Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: make-kpkg problem?
Does anyone know what this means? I've been using make-kpkg for over a year with no problems, but this started happening a week or so ago. try doing a make-kpkg clean and then starting it again. Remember that after a clean you must run it with the --revision switch if you want to add a revision (and you do want to add a revision). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg problem
Hi, Yes, this is th expected behaviour. make-kpkg clean should always be done before building a new kernel, and make-kpkg makes sure to always re-institute the include/asm link during the build. make-kpkg dep is not required (it is not a valid argument anyway). Why would one want the asm link any way (apart from while building the kernel, which is taken care of)? manoj -- It's great to be smart 'cause then you know stuff. Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: make-kpkg problem
I extracted kernel-source-2.0.30_2.0.30-7.deb so that I can home-brew a kernel. There is a problem in that when I do a make-kpkg clean it actually does a make mrproper and amongst other things I lose my include/asm link. A make clean works as expected. What include/asm link? If you are talking about a link from /usr/include/asm to /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 and from /usr/include/linux to /usr/src/linux/include/linux, etc, then the solution is simple: Those links should never have been made in the first place. The README that comes with the kernel sources is in error. The issue is discussed in the libc5-dev or libc6-dev packages' FAQ.Debian file in the /usr/doc hierarchy. If you have the libc5 or libc6 development packages installed, check the FAQ. Even Linus himself now says that while those links were a good idea at one point, they no longer are, and with libc6, they are -decidedly- the wrong thing to do. For libc6, the API to the library and the API to the kernel were intentionally divided, so that the library could provide support for services the kernel doesn't yet have -- but will -- without breaking programs that need to use those services (example: libc6 has support for more than 32 signals. The kernel interface allows only 32 signals. When the kernel allows more than 32 signals, all you have to do is update your libc6, not recompile every program in existence because a very common, fundamental, data structure changed). Making those links could cause programs compiled under libc6 fail, because they are using the wrong interfaces. If that wasn't the include/asm link you were referring to, I apologize for subjecting you to this rant. If you made those links, you might want to re-install the libc development package so the proper Is this intended? I have looked at the code but cannot spot the reason for this behaviour. Using kernel-package_3.35. The docs say nothing about make-kpkg dep. What is the correct procedure here? Lindsay =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 9316 2486modem +61 8 9364-9832 32S, 116E http: http://rolf.ece.curtin.edu.au/~lindsay debian linux =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacaphony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects. -- A.L.A. v. U.S. Dept. of Justice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
