Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
You already got enough reply about sorting, so : Could you avoid posting to a mailing list by doing a reply to a current thread and changing the subject ? I don't know for pine but on MUA able to display the threads, it's boring to see a thread in another simply because you can type the ml address by yourself or save it in your address book. Christophe On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Hi All, Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Thanks! --- Thomas Good e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: (+1) 718.818.5528 Residential Services fax: (+1) 718.818.5056 Behavioral Health Services, SVCMC-NY mobile: (+1) 917.282.7359 -- -- SQL Clinic - An Open Source Clinical Record www.sqlclinic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christophe Barbé [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FingerPrint: E0F6 FADF 2A5C F072 6AF8 F67A 8F45 2F1E D72C B41E L'experience, c'est une connerie par jour mais jamais la même. pgpAnKI6joQGP.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 07:41:42AM -0400, christophe barbé wrote: Could you avoid posting to a mailing list by doing a reply to a current thread and changing the subject ? I don't know for pine but on MUA able to display the threads, it's boring to see a thread in another simply because you can type the ml address by yourself or save it in your address book. Agreed. It makes it harder than it ought to be to manage this high-volume list (Deleting a whole thread is very convenient, but thread stealing undo the gain of an intelligent MUA). -- Note that I use Debian version 3.0 Linux emac140 2.4.17 #1 sön feb 10 20:21:22 CET 2002 i686 unknown Hans Ekbrand pgpgw8IydZreJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Thomas Good wrote: Hi All, Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Thanks! Setup your filters to filter on To or CC: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
Why not sort on the address, thats what I do. -- Arthur H. Johnson II, Debian GNU/Linux Advocate Catechist, St John Catholic Church, Davison MI USA President, Genesee County Linux Users Group IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],#debian YIM: arthurjohnson AIM: bytor4232 ICQ: 31770438 On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Thomas Good wrote: Hi All, Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Thanks! --- Thomas Good e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: (+1) 718.818.5528 Residential Services fax: (+1) 718.818.5056 Behavioral Health Services, SVCMC-NY mobile: (+1) 917.282.7359 -- -- SQL Clinic - An Open Source Clinical Record www.sqlclinic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Filtering on the X-Mailing-List: header is far more reliable and far less intrusive. There are example procmail recipes in the documentation of the devscripts package. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
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Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Because it's (a) intrusive, (b) annoying, and (c) not necessary. Here's a procmail recipie that'll sort out all mail from Debian mailing lists: # Debian lists ... :0: * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[[EMAIL PROTECTED]] * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[] *\/[^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] $MATCH Don't ask your MUA to do things better done by other tools. :) -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 11:51:58AM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: | On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: | Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] | to use for sorting... ??? | | Because it's (a) intrusive, (b) annoying, and (c) not necessary. Here's a | procmail recipie that'll sort out all mail from Debian mailing lists: | Don't ask your MUA to do things better done by other tools. :) Don't ask your MLM to do things better done by other tools :-). (that includes reply-to: munging) -D -- Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Proverbs 16:24 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ pgpW7N3CNa8C1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Because it's (a) intrusive, (b) annoying, and (c) not necessary. Here's a I don't want to start a holy war... But Intrusive ? - that may be slightly melodramatic. The subject prefix is widely used by sites running majordomo. One example is PostgreSQL. I've been on several lists there for years and never heard anyone complain about the [SQL] subject prefix (or any other.) Odd. TMTOWTDI, I suppose. --- Thomas Good e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: (+1) 718.818.5528 Residential Services fax: (+1) 718.818.5056 Behavioral Health Services, SVCMC-NY mobile: (+1) 917.282.7359 -- -- SQL Clinic - An Open Source Clinical Record www.sqlclinic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:55:18PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Because it's (a) intrusive, (b) annoying, and (c) not necessary. Here's a I don't want to start a holy war... But Intrusive ? - that may be slightly melodramatic. The subject prefix is widely used by sites running majordomo. One example is PostgreSQL. I've been on several lists there for years and never heard anyone complain about the [SQL] subject prefix (or any other.) Odd. Until you find that you don't need it. Then you'll start wondering why it was on there in the first place. The first mailing lists I joined were the debian mailing lists. Since then I've found other mailing lists that *do* the [prefix]-thingie. And *that* I find annoying, as the X-Mailing-List: header sorts things out quite nicely. I would not be surprised if there are tweaks available to Majordomo to fix its behaviour... Perhaps it has to do with the (alleged) vast majority of mail clients out there are decidedly unfriendly when it comes to choosing which headers to display and use for sorting/filing... smallPersonally I don't care for that and use procmail.../small -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. pgpTfXqepE6Gb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Thomas Good wrote: But Intrusive ? - that may be slightly melodramatic. rant Well, all I can say is, when I opened my email and saw a bunch of messages with [ Debian Users ] in the Subject line, I thought, Oh, no, what's possessed them to do that? There's little enough real estate in the Subject line as it is, without cluttering it up with unnecessary tags for people using braindead email clients which can't sort on other headers. /rant Sorry - it's a peeve of mine :) Patrick -- Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user #17943 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
also sprach Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.06.24.2321 +0200]: rant Well, all I can say is, when I opened my email and saw a bunch of messages with [ Debian Users ] in the Subject line, I thought, Oh, no, what's possessed them to do that? There's little enough real estate in the Subject line as it is, without cluttering it up with unnecessary tags for people using braindead email clients which can't sort on other headers. /rant seconded. go ahead and do it client side if you wish. i.e. procmail: :0 fh * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |sed -e 's,^\(Subject:\)\(.*\),\1 [debian-user]\2,' -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] to vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? pgpiJ9AxfhSVA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:04:58AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.06.24.2321 +0200]: rant Well, all I can say is, when I opened my email and saw a bunch of messages with [ Debian Users ] in the Subject line, I thought, Oh, no, what's possessed them to do that? There's little enough real estate in the Subject line as it is, without cluttering it up with unnecessary tags for people using braindead email clients which can't sort on other headers. /rant seconded. go ahead and do it client side if you wish. i.e. procmail: :0 fh * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |sed -e 's,^\(Subject:\)\(.*\),\1 [debian-user]\2,' All alternatively: :0 fh * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |sed -e 's,^Subject: \([^:]\+: ?\|\)\+\[debian-user\],Subject: \1,' ;) -- GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT - The government announced today that it is changing its mascot to a condom because it more clearly reflects the government's political stance. A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks and finally, gives you a sense of security while you're being screwed! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT), Thomas Good wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala [Debian Users] to use for sorting... ??? Because it's (a) intrusive, (b) annoying, and (c) not necessary. Here's a I don't want to start a holy war... But Intrusive ? - that may be slightly melodramatic. I subscribe to three lists that use this protocol and I can tell you that intrusive is not nearly a strong enough word. There is little enough space for the $subject without wasting it on null values. Annoying should be bold, italic and underscored. Think of scanning the nearly 200 posts each day, on this list alone, and having to move your eyes past the same waste of pixels on each line. Not necessary stands on its own. -- gt It is interesting to note that as one evil empire (generic) fell, another Evil Empire (tm) began its nefarious rise. -- gt Coincidence? I think not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?
I subscribe to three lists that use this protocol and I can tell you that intrusive is not nearly a strong enough word. There is little enough space for the $subject without wasting it on null values. Agreed totally. No one mentioned the problem of handling the subject line for replies. Is that 'Re: [ Debian user ] your subject here' or is that '[ Debian user ] Re: your subject here', or does that become even more perverse with 'Re: [ Debian user ] Re: [ Debian user ] your subject here'? On lists that use those tags this gets really out of hand. Bob pgpXTcnfWXQQa.pgp Description: PGP signature
