Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ???
And don't reply with: Have you tried mutt? I have. I do not like mutt or elm Hmm. What's the problem w/ mutt ? If it's too awful, it could be great to develop a Gnome or GTK interface to it. Is it possible - if a developper could answer - ? Have you tried Kmail, The KDE mail software ? I know, it's for KDE, it's also contrib... but it's largely freeer than Outlook Express ! or any ncursed software (cept for mc!). Im too old for that.. ;) And I'm too young to lose my time pointing clicking AndX Chat is a great application. I miss a channel favortie/quick join. That's about it. No need to miss Windows there! :) --- Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~cdysthe ICQ 3945810 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux --- Clones are people two -- |. ICQ : 25529539 || |\ | | | \ / AIM : linhax |___ | | \| |__| / \ IRC nick : linhax Sami Dalouche : [EMAIL PROTECTED]DHIS : pingoo.dhis.org
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On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 09:01:10PM +, Nathan Valentine wrote: Sami Dalouche wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 12:37:09PM +0100, BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc Yes ! There's Bitchx in an X-Term :-) xchat is really nice but if you have/want to stay at the console I'd recommend EPIC with the splitfire script. What's the splitfire script ? And why do you recommend EPIC instead of Bitchx ? What's better w/ EPIC ? -- Nathan Valentine - [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: NRVesKY - University of Kentucky Linux Users Group http://www.uky.edu/StudentOrgs/UKLUG -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- |. ICQ : 25529539 || |\ | | | \ / AIM : linhax |___ | | \| |__| / \ IRC nick : linhax Sami Dalouche : [EMAIL PROTECTED]DHIS : pingoo.dhis.org
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On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 11:43:27PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Sorry, but OE doesn't deserve to be called a email client. You can't quote quoted-printable encoded mails, you are placed on top on a reply (thous encouraging the newbie to answer above the text and leave a full quote below), the signature is placed above the quoted text, you Placing the cursor at the top of the message is the right thing to do - you're only going to have to go back up deleting text otherwise. There is the potential to do the wrong thing even when the cursor is placed at the end of the text and simply write a reply, not deleting anything. Neither is very good. I have yet to see a program on any operating system that comes close to the power of gnus. Which also starts you off at the top. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpNKScoFoLMk.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Mark == Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have yet to see a program on any operating system that comes close to the power of gnus. Mark Which also starts you off at the top. Not if you don't want this. It is a changeable, as everything else. The problem is not the cursor at the top (I like to go down and replay to sentences and delete unneded parts and proceed), but that OE also places the signature at the top, which makes the beginner believe he should place his answer between the top and the signature followed by the original mail. Ciao, Martin
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:25:54AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 11:43:27PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Sorry, but OE doesn't deserve to be called a email client. You can't quote quoted-printable encoded mails, you are placed on top on a reply (thous encouraging the newbie to answer above the text and leave a full quote below), the signature is placed above the quoted text, you Placing the cursor at the top of the message is the right thing to do - you're only going to have to go back up deleting text otherwise. Yes, but OE inserts a blank line at the top of the message, and places only `-- ORIGINAL MESSAGE --' as the quote line. Then, to compound things further, it puts your signature *above* the quoted message. Theee is the potential to do the wrong thing even when the cursor is placed at the end of the text and simply write a reply, not deleting anything. Neither is very good. At least the reply would be in the correct place. Anyway, where the editor's cursor is initially placed is indeed irrelevant - if the user has too little Clue to correctly compose and format an email or news message, they are unlikely to be able to communicate anything useful. I have yet to see a program on any operating system that comes close to the power of gnus. Which also starts you off at the top. I wouldn't know, I'm perfectly happy with mutt and vim (which also starts off at the top). -- alisdair mcdiarmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [your home may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on your loan. any and all advice given is strictly confidential]
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:35:54AM +0100, Alisdair McDiarmid wrote: On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:25:54AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 11:43:27PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Sorry, but OE doesn't deserve to be called a email client. You Placing the cursor at the top of the message is the right thing to do - you're only going to have to go back up deleting text otherwise. Yes, but OE inserts a blank line at the top of the message, and places only `-- ORIGINAL MESSAGE --' as the quote line. Then, to compound things further, it puts your signature *above* the quoted message. Oh, indeed - the signature placement is just plain wrong, and the quote line is bad too (although not insurmontable, and more informative than some). It just seems silly to pull it up for faults that don't exist (and this cursor placment seems to be the favourite) when there are so many real ones to complain about. Which also starts you off at the top. I wouldn't know, I'm perfectly happy with mutt and vim (which also starts off at the top). How can you live without the wellspring of informed and reasoned discussion that is Usenet?! -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpVIakWeJuFW.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:49:57AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Oh, indeed - the signature placement is just plain wrong, I'm pretty sure it encourages no .sig delimiters too - you have to insert your own, and even then it strips the trailing space. and the quote line is bad too (although not insurmontable, and more informative than some). *boggle* It just seems silly to pull it up for faults that don't exist (and this cursor placment seems to be the favourite) when there are so many real ones to complain about. The only problem I had with OU4 was instability. OU5 was still more unstable, and forced me to work out how to configure exim, mutt and vim (for which I'm grateful :-). Which also starts you off at the top. I wouldn't know, I'm perfectly happy with mutt and vim (which also starts off at the top). How can you live without the wellspring of informed and reasoned discussion that is Usenet?! I sort of gave up Usenet when I got a Real Life. Sad, but I've just not got any time to read flame wars on comp.sys.acorn.* anymore. I do have slrn installed and ready just in case my girlfriend dumps me, though ;-) -- alisdair mcdiarmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [your home may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on your loan. any and all advice given is strictly confidential]
Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ???
To a certain extent I have to agree, but where I REALLY think Linux lags behind is email. I miss an email client coming close to for instance Outlook Express and The Bat! for Windows (or even Eudora!). The only one is XFmail which currently is not being developed it seems. The Outlook family are generally considered broken even by ardent Microsoft fans. They ride rough shod over standards and convention, make it difficult to quote sesnibly, don't seem to do blind copies, and will send HTML, MS-TNEF and GIF images of the paper almost without warning. If you want a free Windows mail program, use Pegasus, preferably one of the older ones, as it has gone down hill with the introduction of rich text, which is about as broken as Outlook's. Unfortunately Pegasus is not available in source code and Eudora Lite is a teaser for a commercial product.
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I use the Netscape Mail program and am quite happy with it. I've recently returned to Netscape Mail from Pegasus, which is nice, but has a few little annoying things that Netscape doesn't: New messages appear in the New Mail folder. Once they move from there (after reading) they can't be put back, even if you mark messages as unread. If you search for messages by criteria you get a list of matches. If you select one of them, it opens it (okay so far), but then when you finish the message and close it, you find that Pegasus has opened the folder it came from underneath. This leads to an annoying repetition of click on msg, read msg, close msg, close folder window. It also doesn't have Netscape's ease of searching on multiple fields. You can do it, but you have to parse together a command-line like search term rather than just clicking on add another search term like Netscape. It had a feature to autowrap quoting which I found nice - until I found it was unreliable in general, *never* worked for multi-level quoting and tended to auto-italicize (if you have that turned on) the wrong bits of the message. Sometimes text around the autowrapped area even disappeared! Like I say, generally little things, but annoying. Regardless of what you may think of the Netscape Browser, the Mail program is really a fairly nice piece of work... David Woolley wrote: To a certain extent I have to agree, but where I REALLY think Linux lags behind is email. I miss an email client coming close to for instance Outlook Express and The Bat! for Windows (or even Eudora!). The only one is XFmail which currently is not being developed it seems. The Outlook family are generally considered broken even by ardent Microsoft fans. They ride rough shod over standards and convention, make it difficult to quote sesnibly, don't seem to do blind copies, and will send HTML, MS-TNEF and GIF images of the paper almost without warning. If you want a free Windows mail program, use Pegasus, preferably one of the older ones, as it has gone down hill with the introduction of rich text, which is about as broken as Outlook's. Unfortunately Pegasus is not available in source code and Eudora Lite is a teaser for a commercial product. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- -- Revenant [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak. - author Robert A. Heinlein on censorship.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 12:37:09PM +0100, BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc Yes ! There's Bitchx in an X-Term :-) Seriously, I think xchat or xchat-gnome is great. It hasn't a lot of functions like bitchx but is easy and it hasn't crashed on my machine. But does any1 know how to open automaticly new windows - or something similar - when we are /msg'ed ? It's the only function for which I prefer an X program to do IRC. anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, - Quaking : OK - ircing : I don't know. Try xchat and xchat-gnome and tell me if it's better than mirc. - browsing : Windows is largely superior for this. - ftping : If u want a point click app : try Iglooftp or gftp. browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. // Ben Farrell (BigBadBen) -Original Message- From: Jerry Lynn Kreps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; suse-linux-e@suse.com suse-linux-e@suse.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: 28 March 1999 21:23 Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? mmm I must be delusional. I haven't booted my Win95 side in months (When SuSE 6.1 with the 2.2.x kernel comes out I will reclaim that space for Linux) so how am I keeping my checkbook balanced and reconciled? Must be a phantom copy of cbb. I do my symbolic math with MuPAD 3.4 instead of MathCad 7.0 but I must be dilusional there also. My scanner scans perfectly well using Sane-1.0, which is called out of GIMP-1.0 and my other graphics programs, to say nothing of Blender-1.37 and Varkon, but I must be imagining things. I think I'm enjoying air combat simulation with ACM 5.0, which is much better than M$ Flight Sim. I'm not into music but I do know there are some fantasic sound and sound analysis programs. To sum up, has this guy done any serious searching? JLK (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: ... Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- |. ICQ : 25529539 || |\ | | | \ / AIM : linhax |___ | | \| |__| / \ IRC nick : linhax Sami Dalouche : [EMAIL PROTECTED]DHIS : pingoo.dhis.org
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Sami Dalouche wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 12:37:09PM +0100, BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc Yes ! There's Bitchx in an X-Term :-) xchat is really nice but if you have/want to stay at the console I'd recommend EPIC with the splitfire script. -- Nathan Valentine - [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: NRVesKY - University of Kentucky Linux Users Group http://www.uky.edu/StudentOrgs/UKLUG
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On 03-Jul-99 Sami Dalouche wrote: anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing) To a certain extent I have to agree, but where I REALLY think Linux lags behind is email. I miss an email client coming close to for instance Outlook Express and The Bat! for Windows (or even Eudora!). The only one is XFmail which currently is not being developed it seems. And don't reply with: Have you tried mutt? I have. I do not like mutt or elm or any ncursed software (cept for mc!). Im too old for that.. ;) AndX Chat is a great application. I miss a channel favortie/quick join. That's about it. No need to miss Windows there! :) --- Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~cdysthe ICQ 3945810 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux --- Clones are people two
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Christian == Christian Dysthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian To a certain extent I have to agree, but where I REALLY Christian think Linux lags behind is email. I miss an email client Christian coming close to for instance Outlook Express and The Bat! Christian for Windows (or even Eudora!). Sorry, but OE doesn't deserve to be called a email client. You can't quote quoted-printable encoded mails, you are placed on top on a reply (thous encouraging the newbie to answer above the text and leave a full quote below), the signature is placed above the quoted text, you can't create a proper signature seperator (the space is deleted) etc. These are bug that are present since the first version of OE. And regarding powerful email client: I have yet to see a program on any operating system that comes close to the power of gnus. Ciao, Martin
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-Original Message- From: Robert V. MacQuarrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-User-Mailing-List debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: BENJAMIN FARRELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 31 March 1999 08:00 Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). OK well folks dont shoot me and no i dont use it often but.. mIRC runs just great from linux using the standard wine config. Yes this is the windowsXX irc client.. I simply type 'wine /dos/mirc/mirc32.exe' and it starts up. I run #Hottub on UnderNet and from time to time i help the other ops with their mIRC scripts. Wine also installed mirc for me on a very small windows/dos partition. This I found was great as I havent booted that windows partition in well over a year now :-) Heh, haven't tried mirc (don't really like) but almost managed to get xircon working using wine. I used tkirc alot last year and found it quite stable. I've been irc'ing since 91 or 92 and it's always been from the console or an xterm and it's how i continue to now :-) It's hard to get away from it after so long. Don't like havin' lots of windows all other the place (I like 1 window per channel), fiind bitchx very nice to use. As for browsing, downloading, uploading... I have always found that linux gave me a much better (more stable/reliable) connection via dialups. I've always noticed a difference in higher speeds and performance in linux. Don't know I got a cheapo modem, which has turned out to be a winmodem (YUCK), should be gettiing a decent modem soon thu. Quake.. Well it just rocks from linux. I've played from windows a few times and find it ran faster in linux. This is believe has to do with windows eating so much memory and not swapping as well as under linux. Software QuakeWorld does yes, glquakeworld nope, runs quite a bit slower (thats with the glibc version of everything). So I still use NT for quakin'(doesn't swap to much in NT if u kill of some services from control panel:). -Rob aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Ben Farrell
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tkirc works fine for me. Bob On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. // Ben Farrell (BigBadBen) -Original Message- From: Jerry Lynn Kreps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; suse-linux-e@suse.com suse-linux-e@suse.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: 28 March 1999 21:23 Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? mmm I must be delusional. I haven't booted my Win95 side in months (When SuSE 6.1 with the 2.2.x kernel comes out I will reclaim that space for Linux) so how am I keeping my checkbook balanced and reconciled? Must be a phantom copy of cbb. I do my symbolic math with MuPAD 3.4 instead of MathCad 7.0 but I must be dilusional there also. My scanner scans perfectly well using Sane-1.0, which is called out of GIMP-1.0 and my other graphics programs, to say nothing of Blender-1.37 and Varkon, but I must be imagining things. I think I'm enjoying air combat simulation with ACM 5.0, which is much better than M$ Flight Sim. I'm not into music but I do know there are some fantasic sound and sound analysis programs. To sum up, has this guy done any serious searching? JLK (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: ... Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
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BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc I gave up on irc a long time ago, even while in WinXX. The S/N ratio was too low.
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Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). The last time I looked there are several IRC clients for X.. I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). You can play Doom, Quake, IRC, Browse and FTP all on Linux... Have a look at FileRunner for FTP.. (Its a bit like WS_FTP), or install KDE and drag/drop from one folder to another, and each folder could be on separate FTP sites... It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. 'The GIMP' 'Star Office 5' 'Corel WordPerfect 8' all FREE... John
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Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. // Ben Farrell (BigBadBen) -Original Message- From: Jerry Lynn Kreps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; suse-linux-e@suse.com suse-linux-e@suse.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: 28 March 1999 21:23 Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? mmm I must be delusional. I haven't booted my Win95 side in months (When SuSE 6.1 with the 2.2.x kernel comes out I will reclaim that space for Linux) so how am I keeping my checkbook balanced and reconciled? Must be a phantom copy of cbb. I do my symbolic math with MuPAD 3.4 instead of MathCad 7.0 but I must be dilusional there also. My scanner scans perfectly well using Sane-1.0, which is called out of GIMP-1.0 and my other graphics programs, to say nothing of Blender-1.37 and Varkon, but I must be imagining things. I think I'm enjoying air combat simulation with ACM 5.0, which is much better than M$ Flight Sim. I'm not into music but I do know there are some fantasic sound and sound analysis programs. To sum up, has this guy done any serious searching? JLK (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail --
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BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. I admit I don't use irc much but have used tkirc, which if I understand correctly is an X frontend for Bitchx. I've never had it crash. Kent
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Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? Date: Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 12:37:09PM +0100 In reply to:BENJAMIN FARRELL Quoting BENJAMIN FARRELL([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. // Ben Farrell (BigBadBen) Have you tried zircon? I am not an irc'er so I found zircon to be an easy to use IRC program. BitchX was a bitch! -- One good reason why computers can do more work than people is that they never have to stop and answer the phone. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, ktb wrote: BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. I admit I don't use irc much but have used tkirc, which if I understand correctly is an X frontend for Bitchx. I've never had it crash. Kent Actually tkirc is a frontend for ircII. Bitchx is based on epic, which is based on ircII. tkirc hasn't crashed on me, although I'm not a heavy user of it either. Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ???
BENJAMIN FARRELL wrote: Heres a good point about linux, anyone found a good irc client for x (other than Bitchx in a E-Term :) that doesn't crash everytime you click (yagirc anyone). I still find for everyday use Win95/NT is better (quaking, ircing, browsing, ftping). It seems that linux has quite a good range of applications, just a case of find one, and one that works fine. And its not too difficult to find them -1) look in your distro 2)look at sunsite PS ftp in linux WORKS - it deals with symlinks properly (not like annoying WS_FTP etc, virtually every linux ftp proggy will CONTINUE unfinished d/ls if you want) frankie // Ben Farrell (BigBadBen) -Original Message- From: Jerry Lynn Kreps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; suse-linux-e@suse.com suse-linux-e@suse.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: 28 March 1999 21:23 Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ??? mmm I must be delusional. I haven't booted my Win95 side in months (When SuSE 6.1 with the 2.2.x kernel comes out I will reclaim that space for Linux) so how am I keeping my checkbook balanced and reconciled? Must be a phantom copy of cbb. I do my symbolic math with MuPAD 3.4 instead of MathCad 7.0 but I must be dilusional there also. My scanner scans perfectly well using Sane-1.0, which is called out of GIMP-1.0 and my other graphics programs, to say nothing of Blender-1.37 and Varkon, but I must be imagining things. I think I'm enjoying air combat simulation with ACM 5.0, which is much better than M$ Flight Sim. I'm not into music but I do know there are some fantasic sound and sound analysis programs. To sum up, has this guy done any serious searching? JLK (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is good for dandruff. --Peter de Vries http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and links. ICQ://25576761begin:vcard n:;Frankie x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk adr:;;;Birmingham;;;UK version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Mr x-mozilla-cpt:;-8160 fn:Frankie end:vcard
Re: [SuSE Linux] What DO you lose with Linux ???
mmm I must be delusional. I haven't booted my Win95 side in months (When SuSE 6.1 with the 2.2.x kernel comes out I will reclaim that space for Linux) so how am I keeping my checkbook balanced and reconciled? Must be a phantom copy of cbb. I do my symbolic math with MuPAD 3.4 instead of MathCad 7.0 but I must be dilusional there also. My scanner scans perfectly well using Sane-1.0, which is called out of GIMP-1.0 and my other graphics programs, to say nothing of Blender-1.37 and Varkon, but I must be imagining things. I think I'm enjoying air combat simulation with ACM 5.0, which is much better than M$ Flight Sim. I'm not into music but I do know there are some fantasic sound and sound analysis programs. To sum up, has this guy done any serious searching? JLK (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: Behind the hype there is precious little sign of Linux becoming a serious, versatile desktop OS. If all you need is a browser to get through the day, it's fine. But if I boot the PC I am using right now into any kind of Unix the list of stuff I lose -- music composition, accounting and personal finance to name but a few -- is endless because the applications just aren't there. On top of that, Linux is difficult to set up, fails to understand the difference between a desktop PC and a notebook, and lacks any kind of plug and play facility. I'm sure the last sentence is simply wrong in point of fact. If, in the previous sentence, he'd given a longer list of stuff I lose one might be in a better position to respond constructively. However, can I ask people what they would use for music composition, accounting and personal finance? I'm aware of good programs for creating musical scores which can also generate MIDI output, but I'd hardly call them top-flight composition tools; and it does seem that the accounting/finance area is thinly served. He didn't mention OCR (optical character rcognition) either. Where is the OCR program for Linux that works? Now that vmware is out ( http://www.vmware.com ) people who want to can run Windows applications on top of Linux without, it seems, losing much or indeed anything, so this could be the basis of another line of reply to Hewson's article: he can start up Linux and the list of stuff I lose would be empty because it would all still be there! Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail --
