Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem (CLOSED)
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:01:34 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: I finally fudged things. I set the bios so that it recognized the cdrom and installed Debian Linux. I then rebooted, F2ed to the bios and changed it so that it could find the hard drive. That worked. Since I don't have to boot to the cdrom very often I can live with it. I'm tired of fooling with the problem. Mmm, is the CD-ROM unit still visible/accessible within the OS? If not, you can try to connect it to port IDE1 (same as the hard disk) as slave, that could make a difference (buy a longer IDE cable if the devices are separated enough) or extract the optical unit and use it with an external USB case. Yes, the cd unit is visible within the OS. Everything is working fine. I installed an additional drive on the same IDE port as a slave. With ATA/IDE Configure set to Legacy the bios recognizes both drives but not the CDROM. Just as before. Once booted, everything works fine. It's indeed weird, but at least now you know a slave unit conneted to the master IDE port is also detected and thus you can use it to boot from there, should needed. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jm40to$3l4$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem (CLOSED)
On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: El 2012-04-08 a las 20:26 -0700, Gary Roach escribió: (resending to the list) On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. (...) A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888 For example: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this. I finally fudged things. I set the bios so that it recognized the cdrom and installed Debian Linux. I then rebooted, F2ed to the bios and changed it so that it could find the hard drive. That worked. Since I don't have to boot to the cdrom very often I can live with it. I'm tired of fooling with the problem. Gary R. Mmm, is the CD-ROM unit still visible/accessible within the OS? If not, you can try to connect it to port IDE1 (same as the hard disk) as slave, that could make a difference (buy a longer IDE cable if the devices are separated enough) or extract the optical unit and use it with an external USB case. Greetings, Yes, the cd unit is visible within the OS. Everything is working fine. I installed an additional drive on the same IDE port as a slave. With ATA/IDE Configure set to Legacy the bios recognizes both drives but not the CDROM. Just as before. Once booted, everything works fine. Bye Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f84c9de.3030...@verizon.net
Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem (CLOSED)
El 2012-04-08 a las 20:26 -0700, Gary Roach escribió: (resending to the list) On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. (...) A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888 For example: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this. I finally fudged things. I set the bios so that it recognized the cdrom and installed Debian Linux. I then rebooted, F2ed to the bios and changed it so that it could find the hard drive. That worked. Since I don't have to boot to the cdrom very often I can live with it. I'm tired of fooling with the problem. Gary R. Mmm, is the CD-ROM unit still visible/accessible within the OS? If not, you can try to connect it to port IDE1 (same as the hard disk) as slave, that could make a difference (buy a longer IDE cable if the devices are separated enough) or extract the optical unit and use it with an external USB case. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120409142319.gc7...@stt008.linux.site
Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 04/07/12 16:41, Gary Roach wrote: If the BOIS ATA/IDE Configuration is set to Extended, the bios finds my CDROM drive but not the hard drive. If the configuration is set to Legacy the bios finds the hard drive but not my CDROM drive. The hard drive is on IDE -1 as master (or stand alone, makes no difference) and the CDROM is on IDE-2 as master. Swapping cables didn't help. The two units are mounted too far apart to make one master and the other slave on the same IDE port. Assuming that you are planning on booting from the hard drive, set the BIOS so that the hard drive is recognized. The fact that the BIOS does not recognize the existence of the CDROM should not matter. Once it has booted (unless things have changed since I started using linux about 14 years ago) linux does not use the BIOS and should detect the CDROM drive even though the BIOS does not. Back in the days before I found linux, I had a hard drive that apparently stopped working just because there was a lightning strike on a transformer about 1/4 mile from our trailer while I was booted up and remotely logged into another system. The box would not even boot if the drive was installed and listed in the BIOS setup, even if I was not trying to boot from that drive. I removed the drive, but did not get rid of it because I am a pack-rat. Then I started using linux and, at some point, decided to see if there was any chance that I could boot into linux with the drive installed, in an attempt to salvage any of the data on the disk. As it turned out, if I listed the drive in the BIOS setup then the system would not boot, but if I did not list the drive then the system would boot just fine from another drive and linux, having booted, ignored the BIOS and found the drive and was able to read everything from it that I wanted. By then, I had recreated, or regenerated any data that I actually needed from the drive, so I did not really need to retrieve any data, but it did give me more available disk space. Disk space is good! Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f814093.8010...@gmail.com
Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 08/04/12 00:41, Gary Roach wrote: Swapping cables didn't help. The two units are mounted too far apart to make one master and the other slave on the same IDE port. I've run out of ideas. Anyone else have any? Perhaps a longer cable.. (Upto 1 meter long, I think; may also be joined together.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f815185.90...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. (...) A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888 For example: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jls8ge$f2u$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 08/04/12 09:41, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. If the BOIS ATA/IDE Configuration is set to Extended, the bios finds my CDROM drive but not the hard drive. If the configuration is set to Legacy the bios finds the hard drive but not my CDROM drive. Strange. What was the BIOS setting for the hard drive when you installed? The hard drive is on IDE -1 as master (or stand alone, makes no difference) and the CDROM is on IDE-2 as master. That makes sense, and it's how I would configure it. snipped I've run out of ideas. Anyone else have any? Yes - but lets see how your drive is setup first. Please post the output of:- # parted -l or if you don't have parted installed:- # fdisk -l Gary R Kind regards There seems to be some confusion here. I still have win2k on the machine. Linux commands won't work. I think what I am going to do is change the ATA/IDE Configuration to Enhanced, put the linux installation disk in the CDROM drive and hope that it boots. One of the respondents pointed out that Linux doesn't depend on the bios settings to find the boot drive. I hope that is true. I may end up with a boat anchor. Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81b157.2050...@verizon.net
Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 09/04/12 01:40, Gary Roach wrote: On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 08/04/12 09:41, Gary Roach wrote: snipped There seems to be some confusion here. I still have win2k on the machine. No confusion here (so far). Hence my request. I suspected you still had W2K installed and wanted to find out how, and make certain you didn't have a large disk translator (eg. Maxtor tool) installed. Q. What size does W2K see the drive as? It's quite possible that you just need a boot delay in GRUB. Linux commands won't work. You can do that from a live cd. Tom's Root Boot has more than enough tools for the task. I think what I am going to do is change the ATA/IDE Configuration to Enhanced, put the linux installation disk in the CDROM drive and hope that it boots. One of the respondents pointed out that Linux doesn't depend on the bios settings to find the boot drive. That's incorrect - if the BIOS can't see the sole hard drive you can't boot from it. Period. The CD/DVD is different. I'd be surprised if you'll then be able to access W2K (backup first). I hope that is true. I may end up with a boat anchor. You must have a very small boat - remind me not to take you up on an offer to go fishing :-) Backup first. A portable hdd is a good investment - or simply spend $30 on a second hand 500GB drive and temporarily hang it off the second controller. W2K is pretty simple to backup and restore to a different partition layout. Gary R. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f8259f4.70...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. (...) A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888 For example: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this. Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f825714.9040...@verizon.net
Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 08/04/12 09:41, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. If the BOIS ATA/IDE Configuration is set to Extended, the bios finds my CDROM drive but not the hard drive. If the configuration is set to Legacy the bios finds the hard drive but not my CDROM drive. Strange. What was the BIOS setting for the hard drive when you installed? The hard drive is on IDE -1 as master (or stand alone, makes no difference) and the CDROM is on IDE-2 as master. That makes sense, and it's how I would configure it. snipped I've run out of ideas. Anyone else have any? Yes - but lets see how your drive is setup first. Please post the output of:- # parted -l or if you don't have parted installed:- # fdisk -l Gary R Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f80fe11.8060...@gmail.com
