[RESOLVED] Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
Stefan Monnier wrote: I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. Contrary to HS I haven't found the card reader to be noticeably faster, but it does have the advantage of working even when the camera doesn't (e.g. when the battery is empty). Also of course it uses the UMS (Universal Mass Storage) protocol which is very well supported under GNU/Linux. I think that my immediate concerns are now sorted - I can successfully retrieve images taken. The less pressing issue, but one that will bug me, is the difference between the 2 cameras on one hand and the the difference between the 2 machines on the other hand. Regarding the difference between the two cameras I'd simply look at the protocol they use: most likely the Sony machine uses UMS whereas your Canon uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) which is more recent and less well supported. You may also be able to change your Canon's config to use UMS. Stefan Stefan Thanks for your ideas. I suspect that you are probably right in your assessment of the protocols the different devices use: the Sony registers as a storage device while the Canon is registered as a camera. While this doesn't answer the issue of why on my partner's Etch machine running KDE the icon pops up on her desktop ready to be transferred from but not on my Lenny machine, the matter is now more than workable with the help of the good folk here and the digikam application. For the rest of it, I'll have to file that under that ever-expanding title of WTF? ;-) Cheers Andy -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, andy wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. Contrary to HS I haven't found the card reader to be noticeably faster, but it does have the advantage of working even when the camera doesn't (e.g. when the battery is empty). Also of course it uses the UMS (Universal Mass Storage) protocol which is very well supported under GNU/Linux. I think that my immediate concerns are now sorted - I can successfully retrieve images taken. The less pressing issue, but one that will bug me, is the difference between the 2 cameras on one hand and the the difference between the 2 machines on the other hand. Regarding the difference between the two cameras I'd simply look at the protocol they use: most likely the Sony machine uses UMS whereas your Canon uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) which is more recent and less well supported. You may also be able to change your Canon's config to use UMS. Stefan Stefan Thanks for your ideas. I suspect that you are probably right in your assessment of the protocols the different devices use: the Sony registers as a storage device while the Canon is registered as a camera. While this doesn't answer the issue of why on my partner's Etch machine running KDE the icon pops up on her desktop ready to be transferred from but not on my Lenny machine, the matter is now more than workable with the help of the good folk here and the digikam application. For the rest of it, I'll have to file that under that ever-expanding title of WTF? ;-) Cheers Andy -- I'm coming into this late, so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not. But check to see if usbmount is installed. That allows me to plug in usb drives and mount them. hth, jeff -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
Jeff D wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, andy wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. Contrary to HS I haven't found the card reader to be noticeably faster, but it does have the advantage of working even when the camera doesn't (e.g. when the battery is empty). Also of course it uses the UMS (Universal Mass Storage) protocol which is very well supported under GNU/Linux. I think that my immediate concerns are now sorted - I can successfully retrieve images taken. The less pressing issue, but one that will bug me, is the difference between the 2 cameras on one hand and the the difference between the 2 machines on the other hand. Regarding the difference between the two cameras I'd simply look at the protocol they use: most likely the Sony machine uses UMS whereas your Canon uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) which is more recent and less well supported. You may also be able to change your Canon's config to use UMS. Stefan Stefan Thanks for your ideas. I suspect that you are probably right in your assessment of the protocols the different devices use: the Sony registers as a storage device while the Canon is registered as a camera. While this doesn't answer the issue of why on my partner's Etch machine running KDE the icon pops up on her desktop ready to be transferred from but not on my Lenny machine, the matter is now more than workable with the help of the good folk here and the digikam application. For the rest of it, I'll have to file that under that ever-expanding title of WTF? ;-) Cheers Andy -- I'm coming into this late, so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not. But check to see if usbmount is installed. That allows me to plug in usb drives and mount them. hth, jeff -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno. Thanks Jeff Nope, unfortunately usbmount doesn't help. Cheers for the suggestion though, it was worth a try A -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
andy wrote:
Thanks for your ideas. I suspect that you are probably right in your
assessment of the protocols the different devices use: the Sony
registers as a storage device while the Canon is registered as a camera.
While this doesn't answer the issue of why on my partner's Etch machine
running KDE the icon pops up on her desktop ready to be transferred from
but not on my Lenny machine, the matter is now more than workable with
the help of the good folk here and the digikam application. For the rest
of it, I'll have to file that under that ever-expanding title of WTF? ;-)
Cheers
Andy
--
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry
about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
Okay, here is a last try. Let's compare the package we have. I have:
$ dpkg -l *usb* *kam* *gphoto* *dbus* | grep ^ii | gawk '{print $1,
\t $2, \t $3}'
ii dbus1.1.1-3
ii dbus-x111.1.1-3
ii digikam 2:0.9.2-4
ii gphoto2 2.3.1-2
ii gtkam 0.1.12-2.2
ii kamera 4:3.5.7-2lenny1
ii libdbus-1-3 1.1.1-3
ii libdbus-1-dev 1.1.1-3
ii libdbus-glib-1-20.74-1
ii libdbus-qt-1-1c20.62.git.20060814-2
ii libgphoto2-22.3.1-8
ii libgphoto2-2-dev2.3.1-8
ii libgphoto2-port02.3.1-8
ii libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil 0.3-2
ii libndesk-dbus1.0-cil0.4.2-1
ii libusb-0.1-42:0.1.12-7
ii libusb-dev 2:0.1.12-7
ii usbutils0.72-8
ii xserver-xorg-video-sisusb 1:0.8.1-3
Now lets compare our gruops. I belong to the following:
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hs adm dialout cdrom floppy audio src video plugdev staff netdev camera
I think plugdev and camera are the most important. adm certainly
shouldn't make any difference here.
-HS
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Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/09/07 11:50, andy wrote: [snip] Nope, unfortunately usbmount doesn't help. Cheers for the suggestion though, it was worth a try When the Import screen pops up, press cancel. Then open an xterm and use the command-line app gphoto2 to try to extract the images. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGu5mXS9HxQb37XmcRAmS3AKCE57bnxkXldOzi0RGTVsyhPyYaRgCg7VqO 0ON3vp7XcVjfbrjaK48pMs0= =vC+B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
andy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/07 12:51, andy wrote: Hi again Yes, apparently gphoto2 *does* recognise the camera (and this is confirmed by Canon as well). However, with the Sony, I never used gphoto2 and only installed it thinking that it might help with this one. Anyway, here's the output of your suggestion: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo tail -n40 -f /var/log/syslog Aug 8 18:09:01 valhalla /USR/SBIN/CRON[3830]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] find /var/lib/php4/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php4/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) [snip] connect to a high speed hub Aug 8 18:49:52 valhalla kernel: usb 2-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aside from the USB messages, it looks like the camera is being recognised. But, beyond that ... Are you plugging the camera *directly* into your PC, or into a hub? Specifically, an un-powered hub? Are thumb drives recognized when you plug them into that exact port? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Ron I have switched to a different port because of the hub issue and now plug the USB cable directly into the port. I don't know what a thumb drive is - if you mean a memory stick, then yes, those are recognised readily and auto-mounted. With reference to your other post: my system already had kamera installed and I have just added digikam. Still no dice. So far I've eliminated that the problem source is the camera or the USB cable. It also doesn't appear to be the kernel as I have booted this machine into an earlier kernel version (2.6.18). The camera and the images are recognised on an Etch machine running KDE and kamera. The Etch machine does not have gphoto2 nor digikam installed, nor is the user a member of any camera group. I cannot get the camera nor images recognised on my Lenny machine running KDE, Xfce4, nor Gnome, even though kamera (and now digikam) is installed. Using KDE a camera device appears to be found, but the camera type/brand/model isn't recognised even though on the Etch machine it is recognised natively. This is all very confusing, and aside from the obvious (my machine) I am unable to discern a coherent pattern. A OK have run digikam at the command line and manually added the camera to it and now I can view the images. So that at least is progress. It still does not answer the more basic question of why the camera is not being auto-mounted as it is on the Etch machine. Any ideas on that would be really helpful. Thanks to all who have contributed so far. A -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
andy wrote: andy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/07 12:51, andy wrote: Hi again Yes, apparently gphoto2 *does* recognise the camera (and this is confirmed by Canon as well). However, with the Sony, I never used gphoto2 and only installed it thinking that it might help with this one. Anyway, here's the output of your suggestion: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo tail -n40 -f /var/log/syslog Aug 8 18:09:01 valhalla /USR/SBIN/CRON[3830]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] find /var/lib/php4/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php4/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) [snip] connect to a high speed hub Aug 8 18:49:52 valhalla kernel: usb 2-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aside from the USB messages, it looks like the camera is being recognised. But, beyond that ... Are you plugging the camera *directly* into your PC, or into a hub? Specifically, an un-powered hub? Are thumb drives recognized when you plug them into that exact port? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Ron I have switched to a different port because of the hub issue and now plug the USB cable directly into the port. I don't know what a thumb drive is - if you mean a memory stick, then yes, those are recognised readily and auto-mounted. With reference to your other post: my system already had kamera installed and I have just added digikam. Still no dice. So far I've eliminated that the problem source is the camera or the USB cable. It also doesn't appear to be the kernel as I have booted this machine into an earlier kernel version (2.6.18). The camera and the images are recognised on an Etch machine running KDE and kamera. The Etch machine does not have gphoto2 nor digikam installed, nor is the user a member of any camera group. I cannot get the camera nor images recognised on my Lenny machine running KDE, Xfce4, nor Gnome, even though kamera (and now digikam) is installed. Using KDE a camera device appears to be found, but the camera type/brand/model isn't recognised even though on the Etch machine it is recognised natively. This is all very confusing, and aside from the obvious (my machine) I am unable to discern a coherent pattern. A OK have run digikam at the command line and manually added the camera to it and now I can view the images. So that at least is progress. It still does not answer the more basic question of why the camera is not being auto-mounted as it is on the Etch machine. Any ideas on that would be really helpful. Thanks to all who have contributed so far. A If I recall correctly, if I connect my wife's camera directly to my Etch machine, I have to detect the camera from digikam's menus -- i.e. it isn't detected automatically. If you wish, I can verify this in a few minutes. However, I normally just insert the camera's SD card into my card reader connected to the computer via a USB cable. Using that external card reader makes reading the flash drives very easy (auto-detection, auto-mounting, etc.). -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
H.S. wrote: andy wrote: snip OK have run digikam at the command line and manually added the camera to it and now I can view the images. So that at least is progress. It still does not answer the more basic question of why the camera is not being auto-mounted as it is on the Etch machine. Any ideas on that would be really helpful. Thanks to all who have contributed so far. A If I recall correctly, if I connect my wife's camera directly to my Etch machine, I have to detect the camera from digikam's menus -- i.e. it isn't detected automatically. If you wish, I can verify this in a few minutes. However, I normally just insert the camera's SD card into my card reader connected to the computer via a USB cable. Using that external card reader makes reading the flash drives very easy (auto-detection, auto-mounting, etc.). -HS Hi If it is no trouble for you to verify this, then that would be a useful comparison to know. As noted earlier, I have now installed digikam and will use that from now on to download the images from the camera. I am just used to having the Sony auto-mounted and clicking through the directories to the images. Force of habit, but I am still puzzled by the inconsistency between why the Sony auto-mounts and the Canon doesn't and why my wife's Etch machine auto recognises (and auto-mounts) the camera and Lenny doesn't. Go figure!! I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. I think that my immediate concerns are now sorted - I can successfully retrieve images taken. The less pressing issue, but one that will bug me, is the difference between the 2 cameras on one hand and the the difference between the 2 machines on the other hand. Oh well ... :-) A -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
andy wrote: If it is no trouble for you to verify this, then that would be a useful comparison to know. As noted earlier, I have now installed digikam and will use that from now on to download the images from the camera. I am just used to having the Sony auto-mounted and clicking through the directories to the images. Force of habit, but I am still puzzled by the inconsistency between why the Sony auto-mounts and the Canon doesn't and why my wife's Etch machine auto recognises (and auto-mounts) the camera and Lenny doesn't. Go figure!! Okay, just tried it again (it a Canon A520). The syslog is given at the end of this message. When I switched on the camera in playback mode, I got a window (in KDE) asking if I want to open the detected device in a new window, use digikam to detect and download photos or to do nothing. I chose the second option. Digikam started and at first attempt it failed to detect the camera correctly and asked in a dialog window if I want to try detection again. I tried that again and this time it worked and listed all the photos in a window. So appears it worked, after a little hiccup. This is on Etch using $ dpkg -l *digikam* *photo* | grep ^i ii digikam 2:0.9.2-4digital photo management application for KDE ii gphoto2 2.3.1-2 The gphoto2 digital camera command-line clie ii libgphoto2-2 2.3.1-8 gphoto2 digital camera library ii libgphoto2-2-dev 2.3.1-8 gphoto2 digital camera library (development ii libgphoto2-port0 2.3.1-8 gphoto2 digital camera port library $ uname -r 2.6.21-2-686 I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. I have found the card reader to be must faster than using the camera. But using digikam directly with the camera has some added advantages, for example batch renaming images during downloading (I used it to rename image files based on the subject of pics). -HS Aug 8 16:00:01 localhost kernel: EXT3 FS on hdb3, internal journal Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.075014] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun2'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.077570] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0_scsi_host'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.086872] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun3'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.095099] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_SanDisk_ImageMate_6_in_1_105025001353_0'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.100771] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.109374] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_SanDisk_ImageMate_6_in_1_105025001353'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.116725] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_SanDisk_ImageMate_6_in_1_105025001353_2'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.123471] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun1'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.131797] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_SanDisk_ImageMate_6_in_1_105025001353_1'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.144731] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_usbraw'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.149232] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353_if0'). Aug 8 16:01:30 localhost NetworkManager: debug info^I[1186603290.156930] nm_hal_device_removed (): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_781_621_105025001353'). Aug 8 16:02:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 Aug 8 16:02:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 8 16:02:26 localhost NetworkManager: debug
Re: Canon Powershot A640 (update #2)
I don't have a card reader, but it sounds like that may not be such a bad thing to get, except that it is probably more hassle to eject the SD card and reload it into a reader and run the risk of damaging it from frequent handling. Contrary to HS I haven't found the card reader to be noticeably faster, but it does have the advantage of working even when the camera doesn't (e.g. when the battery is empty). Also of course it uses the UMS (Universal Mass Storage) protocol which is very well supported under GNU/Linux. I think that my immediate concerns are now sorted - I can successfully retrieve images taken. The less pressing issue, but one that will bug me, is the difference between the 2 cameras on one hand and the the difference between the 2 machines on the other hand. Regarding the difference between the two cameras I'd simply look at the protocol they use: most likely the Sony machine uses UMS whereas your Canon uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) which is more recent and less well supported. You may also be able to change your Canon's config to use UMS. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
