Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Joel Rees wrote: From research that I had previously done, the simplest option (for me, being a fairly simple kind of person) appeared to be PC-BSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/). PC-BSD 8.x had only a KDE GUI (from memory), and I am, a GNOME GUI user (from memory, one of the aspects of KDE, is that it is supposed to be much more resource-demanding, but I could be wrong). Give GhostBSD a try if you are still interested in a BSD. (Gnome on FreeBSD, plus other GTK desktops WM's to come.) -- Sent from FOSS (Free Open Source Software) Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAL36VG=fer3c1hbkbeguvscmnenncjus6vjuncawy_jj-3s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On 7/25/12, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Joel Rees wrote: On 7/23/12, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [...] One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to perform an update on that system. The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5. However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you looked at that? (Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.) Actually... From research that I had previously done, the simplest option (for me, being a fairly simple kind of person) appeared to be PC-BSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/). PC-BSD 8.x had only a KDE GUI (from memory), and I am, a GNOME GUI user (from memory, one of the aspects of KDE, is that it is supposed to be much more resource-demanding, but I could be wrong). I have generally had the opposite impression, using both. Especially now, since gnome's newest stuff won't even give my hardware a friendly smile these days. Personally, I'm using XFCE for my regular desktop. So, I waited until PC-BSD 9 was released, which came with a GNOME GUI (not sure, now, but I think a user could choose which GUI, in the installation procedure, in PC-BSD 9). So, after a bit of messing around, I installed PC-BSD 9 on the HP/Compa NX-5000. You might want to look at XFCE. It's much less resource-intensive. I'm sure it's available on pc-bsd. Also an option in debian, but it does take a bit more setup than either Gnome or KDE. But, it does not seem to include a multi-boot loader (? - not sure whether that is the correct name for the utility), such as GRUB, and, when I rebooted, the installation, while it still exists, could not be found by the installed GRUB (installed with Debian 6). Heh. Not a good time to be having problems with multi-boot. Leviathan is against it, want you to use VMs buried in their OS. Playing games with the BIOS, as if the BIOS weren't enough of a mess already. I had queried this problem, on both this mailing list, and, the PC-BSD equivalent mailing list, but got nowhere, so gave up on it. openbsd's installation notes mention the old standby of just changing the partition flagged for boot: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Multibooting -- the sub-paragraph, Setting active partitions. Have you tried that? So, now, on that little laptop, I have (as previously mentioned in this thread) Debian 5 and Debian 6, and, an invisible (as GRUB can't see it) installation of PC-BSD 9. PC-BSD 9, whilst having been designed to be a workstation implementation of BSD, has now, I believe, released in a version able to be installed as a server. But, as I can not resolve the GRUB issue, I am not confident in attempting further installation of BSD. And, from what I had read, and the research that I had done, PC-BSD was supposed to be the simplest version of BSD, to install and operate. Depending on your definition of simple. If you can handle burning a bootable install CD and walking through text-mode menus when the install CD boots up, openbsd is actually quite easy to get installed and booted to the command line. You do have to be willing to use command line tools to at least install the GUI stuff and tweak the configuration a bit, but I generally find myself mucking with the GUI tools in Debian or Fedora about as much as I'd be mucking with the command line tools in openbsd. (I do use the man -k option a lot, or the alias, apropos, which works on a lot of systems.) Can't get pc-bsd's wiki up in my browser right now, but, last time I looked, it didn't seem that much easier than openbsd. Never actually tried pc-bsd, so I can't really say. So, BSD is all too difficult for me. Just out of interest, the first UNIX or UNIX equivalent, that I have used, was BSD 4.2, running on a VAX 11-785, in about 1979 or thereabouts, I believe; before GUI's. Yeah, your memories of those days may get in the way, even with the modern BSDs. I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian. In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago. (Again,
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On 31/07/12 13:35, Joel Rees wrote: Looking at Samsung's pages, they say the scanner is compatible with twain, so you should be able to take a scan from it okay. Um, my understanding of TWAIN may be rusty and incomplete, but my understanding is that it's an interface between their (Windows) scanning application to any other apps that might want to scan. I don't see any relevance to using the scanner in Linux? Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501750f2.5050...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:34:16, Bret Busby wrote: My previous experience with splix, is not good. From memory, I tried splix with the first CLX-3185FW (it died a few months ago, just before the Debian 5 workstation died, from memory - we have an unsafe electricity supply in this state), as Debian 5 did not have the drivers, but splix did not work, and I had a problem with the splix contact, As far as I understand you tried splix on Debian 5 (lenny), but the version in Debian 6 is much newer as I recall (sorry, can't check since packages.debian.org doesn't list lenny anymore and archive.debian.net doesn't include it yet -- maintainer contacted). Hope this helps, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:20:26, Bret Busby wrote: It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. Quoting from the announcement: , | Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the | main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012. | After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror | network. More information about the distribution archive and a list of | mirrors is available at: | | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive ` Hope this explains, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:27:25 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: (...) Debian archive mirror hostname: (http://http.debian.net/debian-archive) You can try here with just the hostname, that is: http.debian.net Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located. (/debian) (...) An here with: /debian-archive/debian THT. I do not know what the acronym THT means, but the method above, solved the problem, and Debian 5 is now installed on the laptop. Ah, perfect. I have just realised that the THT may be meant to be HTH (-Hope That Helps (?) ). If that is the case, then I apologise for drawing attention to it, and, as shown, it did help. Yes, I meant to write HTH (hope this helps) indeed, but my fingers decided to swap the letters by their own initiative. I will correct this attitude ASAP... (bad fat fingers, bad!) Done! :-P Thank you very much. You're welcome. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/juoss9$ot7$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:42:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. No repo has dissapeared but moved. Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian repository? Old ISO images can be obtained from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources. Unfortunately, that source does not work, either as a mirror, or as a source for ISO images. (...) I'm not following you :-? The above URI provides Lenny ISO images. And of course, files are there, e.g.: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/amd64/iso-cd/debian-5010-amd64-CD-1.iso Whatever problem you can be experiencing for getting the files it has no relation with the fact that's the correct repository but if you're still insterested in solving any difficulty with downloading, you can open a new thread (to avoid mixing up things) and detail in there what are you doing exactly and what kind of errors are you getting :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/juoufo$ot7$5...@dough.gmane.org
Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:34:16, Bret Busby wrote: My previous experience with splix, is not good. From memory, I tried splix with the first CLX-3185FW (it died a few months ago, just before the Debian 5 workstation died, from memory - we have an unsafe electricity supply in this state), as Debian 5 did not have the drivers, but splix did not work, and I had a problem with the splix contact, As far as I understand you tried splix on Debian 5 (lenny), but the version in Debian 6 is much newer as I recall (sorry, can't check since packages.debian.org doesn't list lenny anymore and archive.debian.net doesn't include it yet -- maintainer contacted). Hope this helps, Andrei -- I believe that it was Debian 5 with which I had tried splix previously. In looking at http://splix.ap2c.org/ , the Samsung CLX-3185 is not listed as being compatible with splix. However, using Synaptic, I have installed splix. But, splix does not appear in any of the menu's, and the web site for splix, does not include any instructions, including how to run splix. So, like PC-BSD on my HP NX5000, it has been installed, and, disappeared, as I do not know how to load and run it. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207260020480.20...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:18:34 From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:20:26, Bret Busby wrote: It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. Quoting from the announcement: , | Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the | main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012. | After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror | network. More information about the distribution archive and a list of | mirrors is available at: | | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive ` Hope this explains, Andrei -- Ah, yes; in searching through past messages, I found that text in the announcement of the release of Debian 5.0.10. I am not sure, but, at that time (the message was posted on 11 March, I believe), I think I was running Debian 6, and so did not read that message, other than the subject line as listed in the alpine folder listing, and, as the announcement of the transfer to the Debian archive repository, was not in (or, not found in) either a Debian News message, or, a standalone message, I had missed it. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207260049330.20...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
Hi, Dňa Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:48:20 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net napísal: I believe that it was Debian 5 with which I had tried splix previously. In looking at http://splix.ap2c.org/ , the Samsung CLX-3185 is not listed as being compatible with splix. My experiences with splix and (another type) Samsung printer are nod good. Some time ago here was discussion about Samsung printer's drivers with link to proprietary driver's repo. Sorry, i have no link now, but try to search the ML archive. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Jo, 26 iul 12, 00:48:20, Bret Busby wrote: I believe that it was Debian 5 with which I had tried splix previously. In looking at http://splix.ap2c.org/ , the Samsung CLX-3185 is not listed as being compatible with splix. However, using Synaptic, I have installed splix. But, splix does not appear in any of the menu's, and the web site for splix, does not include any instructions, including how to run splix. Splix is a driver, so you will not find it in any menu. Instead you should try to add the printer via CUPS and when you get to the driver selection experiment with anything that looks similar to your printer. Hope this helps, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Brian wrote: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:14:42 +, Camaleón wrote: debian.net ! debian.org I think that should be debian.net != debian.org (?) :) (...) Yes if you wanted to be programmatically literal ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jumaef$en6$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:04:37 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:23:02 +0100, Brian wrote: As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) *** Using the redirector Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the following address: (...) Archived releases (archive.debian.org): http://http.debian.net/debian-archive *** The host debian.net is a redirector and points your sources to the archives. Files for lenny (and older releases) are there so what's what you're missing? If a mirror is broken report it so it gets removed from the list of mirrors ;-) In the screen with at the top, Configure the package manager, at the top of the list of countries, is enter information manually. (...) Bret, I don't know what you current problem is with (as I didn't follow the thread in full), I was only telling Brian that repositories for archived distributions can be also found using the mirrorbrain redirector and not just a static repo as source. Selecting that leads to screen with Please enter the hostname of the mirror from which Debian will be downloaded. An alternative port can be specified using the standard [hostname:port] format. Debian archive mirror hostname: (http://http.debian.net/debian-archive) You can try here with just the hostname, that is: http.debian.net Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located. (/debian) (...) An here with: /debian-archive/debian THT. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jumb2c$en6$5...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:04:37 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:23:02 +0100, Brian wrote: As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) *** Using the redirector Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the following address: (...) Archived releases (archive.debian.org): http://http.debian.net/debian-archive *** The host debian.net is a redirector and points your sources to the archives. Files for lenny (and older releases) are there so what's what you're missing? If a mirror is broken report it so it gets removed from the list of mirrors ;-) In the screen with at the top, Configure the package manager, at the top of the list of countries, is enter information manually. (...) Bret, I don't know what you current problem is with (as I didn't follow the thread in full), I was only telling Brian that repositories for archived distributions can be also found using the mirrorbrain redirector and not just a static repo as source. Selecting that leads to screen with Please enter the hostname of the mirror from which Debian will be downloaded. An alternative port can be specified using the standard [hostname:port] format. Debian archive mirror hostname: (http://http.debian.net/debian-archive) You can try here with just the hostname, that is: http.debian.net Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located. (/debian) (...) An here with: /debian-archive/debian THT. Greetings, -- Camaleón I do not know what the acronym THT means, but the method above, solved the problem, and Debian 5 is now installed on the laptop. I have just realised that the THT may be meant to be HTH (-Hope That Helps (?) ). If that is the case, then I apologise for drawing attention to it, and, as shown, it did help. Thank you very much. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. No repo has dissapeared but moved. Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian repository? Old ISO images can be obtained from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources. Greetings, -- Camaleón Unfortunately, that source does not work, either as a mirror, or as a source for ISO images. I tried repeatedly, to download DVD1, and Debain 6 can't handle downloading the 4.4GB - whatever I tried to use to download the ISO image, crashed, and required the computer to be physcally turned off (holding down the power switch until it stopped breathing, then booting up again after a minute or so) - it would get to about 1.2GB, then the system noitorf applet in the panel would disappear, and the display within the window would go blank, and, when booted upa agian, would show less than 100MB stored. I had tried to download DVD1, to instal from that, as I had, some time ago (some years ago, I think) got the impression,k that it is likely that most, if not all, of the packages needed for a fairly comprehensive installation, are on DVD1 of an ISO image set, and so that should have been sufficient to be a self-sufficient installation. After a few attempts (and, having apparently downloaded about 10-20GB that disappeared), I gave up on that, and downloaded CD1, but, whilst it was a good enoiugh copy, to start installation, the data on the disk was bad, so, when it started to read the stuff on the CD, to install packaged (it got to, and, stopped at something with a name like cd-retrieve), it just showed that the data was bad, and would progress no further. I ended up going back to the 2009 CD1, and using the repository mentioned elsewhere, which, as I showed in another email sent a short time ago, worked. So, the repository in the message above, was too problematic for me, but I otherwise effected a successful installation, thanks to Camaleon's help. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On 7/23/12, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [...] One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to perform an update on that system. The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5. However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you looked at that? (Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.) I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian. In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago. (Again, apologies if that's something you've already looked at.) [...] -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iOc2LNzb=6l9dkiwjiwsjusap5zj2kbw27co8uqupf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Joel Rees wrote: On 7/23/12, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [...] One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to perform an update on that system. The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5. However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you looked at that? (Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.) Actually... From research that I had previously done, the simplest option (for me, being a fairly simple kind of person) appeared to be PC-BSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/). PC-BSD 8.x had only a KDE GUI (from memory), and I am, a GNOME GUI user (from memory, one of the aspects of KDE, is that it is supposed to be much more resource-demanding, but I could be wrong). So, I waited until PC-BSD 9 was released, which came with a GNOME GUI (not sure, now, but I think a user could choose which GUI, in the installation procedure, in PC-BSD 9). So, after a bit of messing around, I installed PC-BSD 9 on the HP/Compa NX-5000. But, it does not seem to include a multi-boot loader (? - not sure whether that is the correct name for the utility), such as GRUB, and, when I rebooted, the installation, while it still exists, could not be found by the installed GRUB (installed with Debian 6). I had queried this problem, on both this mailing list, and, the PC-BSD equivalent mailing list, but got nowhere, so gave up on it. So, now, on that little laptop, I have (as previously mentioned in this thread) Debian 5 and Debian 6, and, an invisible (as GRUB can't see it) installation of PC-BSD 9. PC-BSD 9, whilst having been designed to be a workstation implementation of BSD, has now, I believe, released in a version able to be installed as a server. But, as I can not resolve the GRUB issue, I am not confident in attempting further installation of BSD. And, from what I had read, and the research that I had done, PC-BSD was supposed to be the simplest version of BSD, to install and operate. So, BSD is all too difficult for me. Just out of interest, the first UNIX or UNIX equivalent, that I have used, was BSD 4.2, running on a VAX 11-785, in about 1979 or thereabouts, I believe; before GUI's. I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian. In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago. (Again, apologies if that's something you've already looked at.) From memory, a similar printer driver does not exist in CUPS. [...] -- Joel Rees -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207251300350.9...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
Bret Busby wrote: I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. Maybe this is what you want (?) http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom/ HTH -- Sent from FOSS (Free Open Source Software) Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cal36vgmcewlvua_12syhcp8q2qyaskpzur8_lvhbyyy4zar...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Keith McKenzie wrote: Bret Busby wrote: I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. Maybe this is what you want (?) http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom/ HTH -- Sent from FOSS (Free Open Source Software) Debian GNU/Linux That is, I think, one of the places that I looked. But, with what is there, being Index of /debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom Name Last modified Size Description Parent Directory - debian-cd_info.tar.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:08 319K gtk/10-Mar-2012 14:31- initrd.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:08 4.3M vmlinuz 09-Mar-2012 09:14 1.4M Apache Server at archive.debian.org Port 80 and the gtk directory showing Index of /debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom/gtk Name Last modified Size Parent Directory - debian-cd_info.tar.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:08 318K initrd.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:0812M vmlinuz 09-Mar-2012 09:14 1.4M Apache Server at archive.debian.org Port 80 there appears to be nothing like an ISO image there. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207231640560.19...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
. Maybe this is what you want (?) http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom/ HTH -- That is, I think, one of the places that I looked. But, with what is there, being Index of /debian/dists/Debian-5.0/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny10/images/cdrom Name Last modified SizeDescription Parent Directory - debian-cd_info.tar.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:08 319K gtk/10-Mar-2012 14:31- initrd.gz 09-Mar-2012 09:08 4.3M vmlinuz 09-Mar-2012 09:14 1.4M there appears to be nothing like an ISO image there. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia I should have looked deeper, sorry, how about, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ HTH -- Sent from FOSS (Free Open Source Software) Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cal36vgmhq4adbsgfymgx0kbsdd_cbpucfxfhlvtxr7eqfy3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Sunday 22 July 2012 19:08:46 Andrei POPESCU wrote: But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. Try splix. +1 Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207231450.51681.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22.07.2012 20:49, Bret Busby wrote: However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. Try putting the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list on that Debian 5. deb http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny Or in apt configuration http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny should work. NOTE: Debian 5 doesn't receive any official (security) updates. - -- Mika Suomalainen NOTICE! I am on mobile broadband with very limited time, so I cannot read emails very much. The best time to contact me is probably weekends when I have better connectivity with good luck. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public key: http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt Comment: Fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 Comment: Why do I (clear)sign emails? http://git.io/6FLzWg Comment: Please remove PGP lines in replies. http://git.io/nvHrDg Comment: Charset of this message should be UTF-8. Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJQDWIZAAoJEE21PP6CpGcosp8P/id5X/Uc7IkUZjw7+lZMgLEa 9rpKxgy5gq0OSq5ro7eMAUPzZ0Dr253b7ydLY7OykQEhQEoH5tWLraTaPDk7KhlF ZGqm6VSJzij48nKrSvFeYiKhpVjPNXGxtjqzCrsCusu1CNXByywEVmS6O5oaim2c z15jUsUiagzFYIWBC/XQQJHqmGmCDoQtd7LCeGNzLsTFF7pg/aIA4iFgq+qx2kJY 3vMf13AV/IDCwOZnChgdqU+yxyuTfsUCkOX5Sr80CHD9+5QGVtjV1Uub8WHZGkWW c6Qka9caUiYVMOCm/5OlZSPoL8D7HCHmXOPQfdqRNPAtPORhE5eviDWwVK249LrN ZtloMi6Kn5eeCsl0nEbILbhqR1FcOtf3e+LGoTtBPxKfMDl/VyaD7WMpcGCS0dOp zn/eA0Wm5d5QHVJsZiEnaf/mhftYKc60S4HrWpSKdfQKOZ5rVZe06hUnPn9jbFju QILEdB241dt9Y2Fd46aEsH2Vc5mn134O0MEecg3LXyARwicjJ9mf2VB8D/2Djs9H fKUnCsCqCDqDNQsGsVSdQwwGj6hY8rOHGVBIKjKW9T4nlRAlMQ0t+2PJcTgXa2nm mXjpTqj4ZlaVbb7U6XTPnda7cpZfjHb+ypPJKRJRB03iw7MM0g86ZE5vxKIi+D4i eBDfHYP79a97y6Y2eSFa =1ryQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/500d621b.9070...@hotmail.com
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:39:23 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: On 22.07.2012 20:49, Bret Busby wrote: However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. Try putting the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list on that Debian 5. deb http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny Or in apt configuration http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny should work. Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723164745.GG7631@desktop
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:45 +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:39:23 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: Try putting the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list on that Debian 5. deb http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny Or in apt configuration http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny should work. Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. Mmm... sure? ;-) debian.net ! debian.org Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/juk0q2$rg0$9...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Brian wrote: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:47:45 From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk Reply-To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:48:03 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:39:23 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: On 22.07.2012 20:49, Bret Busby wrote: However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a firewall computer. Try putting the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list on that Debian 5. deb http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny Or in apt configuration http://http.debian.net/debian-archive/debian lenny should work. Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. And I had just tried it, and got the same error message as with every other mirror that I had tried; Bad Archive Mirror. I think that I really need access to the ISO images. One thing that I do not understand; in February, a message was broadcast, stating that Debian 5.0.10 had just been realeased, and then, all Debian 5 repositories appear to have been disappeared, as soon as Debian 5.0.10 was released. It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian repository? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207240114280.24...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:14:42 +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:45 +0100, Brian wrote: Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. Mmm... sure? ;-) debian.net ! debian.org As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723172302.GJ7631@desktop
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. No repo has dissapeared but moved. Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian repository? Old ISO images can be obtained from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/juk1i5$rg0$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 22 July 2012 19:08:46 Andrei POPESCU wrote: But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. Try splix. +1 Lisi My previous experience with splix, is not good. From memory, I tried splix with the first CLX-3185FW (it died a few months ago, just before the Debian 5 workstation died, from memory - we have an unsafe electricity supply in this state), as Debian 5 did not have the drivers, but splix did not work, and I had a problem with the splix contact, so I used the manufacturer's software, downloaded from the manufacturer's web site. But, that worked with Debian 5, and, not with Debian 6. My wife's Samsung CLX-3175 seems to work okay with Debian 6, and she had used her CLX-3175 with Ubuntu (she gave up on Ubuntu, due to power saving problems that disabled her laptop computer so it would not restart, every time that she left it), and when I got her to switch to Debian 6, instead of her having to use the Samsung manufacturer's software, Debian 6 automatically installed its own printer and scanner software, which sem to be working okay. As the Debian 5 and 6 included printer drivers, do not include the driver(s) for the Samaung CLX-3185FW, I have had to use the Samsung manufacturer's software, but the Samsung manufacturer's software is incompatible with Debian 6, leading to a possible new classification for printer compatibility with Linux; doorstop. At about 18 cubed, and, with its weight, it is a bit big for use as a paperweight. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1207240121180.24...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:23:02 +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:14:42 +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:45 +0100, Brian wrote: Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. Mmm... sure? ;-) debian.net ! debian.org As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) *** Using the redirector Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the following address: (...) Archived releases (archive.debian.org): http://http.debian.net/debian-archive *** The host debian.net is a redirector and points your sources to the archives. Files for lenny (and older releases) are there so what's what you're missing? If a mirror is broken report it so it gets removed from the list of mirrors ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/juk25d$rg0$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Brian wrote: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:14:42 +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:45 +0100, Brian wrote: Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. Mmm... sure? ;-) debian.net ! debian.org I think that should be debian.net != debian.org (?) :) As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) I had tried every mnirror listed in the available mirrors for Australia, in the options listed, and I had tried several USA mirrors listed for the USA. None worked. No mirror appears to work for the installation. That is why I seek access to ISO images that I can download, to try to complete the installation from optical disk ISO images, rather than from mirrors. As Debian 5 can not be updated from Debian 5.0.10 (the latest version of Debian 5, from what I understand, released in February 2012), if I can access Debian 5.0.10 ISO images, then that should give me the latest, and, last possible, updated version of Debian 5, and the system then would not need to worry about mirrors, and, having the /etc/apt/sources.list file just listing optical disk ISO images as sources, should be adequate. Or, so I believe. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:23:02 +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:14:42 +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:45 +0100, Brian wrote: Neither will work as none of the mirrors used by http.debian.net has the Lenny achive on it. Mmm... sure? ;-) debian.net ! debian.org As sure as I can be without moving round the world and after reading http.debian.net. But it is easy for you to test for your country. We'll wait in anticipation for your report. :) *** Using the redirector Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the following address: (...) Archived releases (archive.debian.org): http://http.debian.net/debian-archive *** The host debian.net is a redirector and points your sources to the archives. Files for lenny (and older releases) are there so what's what you're missing? If a mirror is broken report it so it gets removed from the list of mirrors ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón In the screen with at the top, Configure the package manager, at the top of the list of countries, is enter information manually. Selecting that leads to screen with Please enter the hostname of the mirror from which Debian will be downloaded. An alternative port can be specified using the standard [hostname:port] format. Debian archive mirror hostname: (http://http.debian.net/debian-archive) Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located. (/debian) That is what I tried last, after all of the other attempts (including archive.kernel.org, as specified on the Debian.org web site). After unbsuccessfully trying the last one above ( (/debian) ), I also tried with (/debian/ lenny). None of it has worked. So, I believe that the only way that I am likely to be able to instal Debian 5, is with optical disk ISO images. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 17:37:50 +, Camaleón wrote: *** Using the redirector Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the following address: (...) Archived releases (archive.debian.org): http://http.debian.net/debian-archive *** The host debian.net is a redirector and points your sources to the archives. Files for lenny (and older releases) are there so what's what you're missing? If a mirror is broken report it so it gets removed from the list of mirrors ;-) Apologies to Mika. The sun was directly in my eyes at the time but that is no excuse for failing to read his post more carefully. Thanks for drawing our attention to my error. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723183357.GK7631@desktop
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at the same time as that release. No repo has dissapeared but moved. Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian repository? Old ISO images can be obtained from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources. Greetings, -- Camaleón Thank you. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 01:49:21, Bret Busby wrote: I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5 system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and became apparently unusable. So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have been using that on this system, for the past few or several months. But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6 workstation. Try splix. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
