Re: Mozilla 1.0 lost its menu! No context menu either ...
Michael Bona wrote: Hi, I am having a strange problem: Running Mozilla (1.0 on Woody) as Root is fine. Starting it as a user produces a Mozilla window without top menu, context menue and no tabs. Any help? Thanks! Michael 1- It's probably your profile which is bad. Create a new one (that's the first thing to do when something is wrong with mozilla). 2- you should perhaps avoid running mozilla as root. You Never Kow (TM) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0 lost its menu! No context menu either ...
Michael Bona wrote: Hi, I am having a strange problem: Running Mozilla (1.0 on Woody) as Root is fine. Starting it as a user produces a Mozilla window without top menu, context menue and no tabs. Any help? Thanks! Michael It's probably something in your prefs.js file. I'd exit Moz, then rename ~/.mozilla to something like ~/.mozilla.27Mar2003, then restart Mozilla. If your menu bars are back, you can either track down the problem in your original prefs.js, or just copy over your mail folders and adress books and bookmarks, etc from the backup folder to the newly created folder. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0 lost its menu! No context menu either ...
You should check for file permisions in /usr/lib/mozilla/chrome and see if that all .jar files are at least as -rw-r--r--. Let me know if it works. good luck On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:51:24AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Michael Bona wrote: Hi, I am having a strange problem: Running Mozilla (1.0 on Woody) as Root is fine. Starting it as a user produces a Mozilla window without top menu, context menue and no tabs. Any help? Thanks! Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0 lost its menu! No context menu either ...
Great, that was it! One of the plugins I installed from Mozdev was 600. Changing it to 644 gave me my menus and context menus back! Thanks for you help! Michael Santiago Hirschfeld wrote: You should check for file permisions in /usr/lib/mozilla/chrome and see if that all .jar files are at least as -rw-r--r--. Let me know if it works. good luck On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:51:24AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Michael Bona wrote: Hi, I am having a strange problem: Running Mozilla (1.0 on Woody) as Root is fine. Starting it as a user produces a Mozilla window without top menu, context menue and no tabs. Any help? Thanks! Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0 + flash plugin
Moin! Am Mit, 2002-09-04 um 10.44 schrieb Thomas Franke: Hat hier jemand eine Idee? Hast Du an den entsprechenden Sounddaemon gedacht? Sprich, spoolen vom mozilla über den artsd oder esd? -- --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Andre Naehring Sauerland Spielgeraete GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sauerland-spielgeraete.de request public key and fingerprint signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: mozilla 1.0 + flash plugin
* Thomas Franke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04 09 02 10:44]: Hallo miteinander, ich habe hier eine aktuelle woody mit gnome und mozilla 1.0 aus woody. Ich habe jetzt das Problem, dass mozilla mit dem Macromedia Flash plugin einfriert, wenn ich auf sites gehe, die eben dieses plugin benötigen. Nehme ich das plugin raus, friert mozilla nicht mehr aber ich komme dann auch natürlich nicht mehr in den vollen Genuss der site. Hat hier jemand eine Idee? Vielen Dank für eure Tips. :) Bekannter Bug - wenn der sound device belegt ist, friert mozilla/galeon ein, der konqueror auch, wenn nsplugin aktiviert ist. Bin leider nicht der sound-experte, aber wenn du alles an einen sound server weiterleitest, geht es möglicherweise (Ich weiß nicht, wie man xmms, mozilla und Konsorten entsprechend einrichtet). Möglicherweise geht es, wen man alles über kde-artsd oder gnome-esd laufen lässt oder über einen oss-sound-server (wenn es so was gibt). -- Eckhard Höffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-80331 München Tel. +49-89-21 03 18 88 -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: mozilla 1.0 + flash plugin
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:48:31AM +0200, Eckhard Hoeffner wrote: der sound-experte, aber wenn du alles an einen sound server weiterleitest, geht es möglicherweise (Ich weiß nicht, wie man Genau so habe ich das jetzt gelöst. Jetzt läuft der esd daemon und alle Anwendungen müssen darauf zugreifen. Ich hatte mal den daemon entfernt, weil der RealPlayer9 nicht darüber laufen wollte und ich ihn aber oft benötige. RealPlayer8 kann das aber. Danke an alle für die wertvollen Tips. :) CU Thomas -- gnupg: e.g. http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net or http://www.keyserver.net Egal ob Sie denken Sie können etwas oder ob Sie denken, Sie können es nicht. Sie haben auf jeden Fall recht. Henry Ford -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 23:09 schrieb Hartmut Figge: [Gerhard Gaussling]: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 22:33 schrieb Hartmut Figge: Es handelt sich wohl um Deinen 'Mailclient-patch', den Du OT (meiner Meinung nach nicht wirklich OT) hier schonmal angeboten hast. Ja. Ist aber tatsächlich OT, da niemand das diff angefordert hat. Hallo, Habt ihr euch mal mozilla 1.1alpha angesehen, gibt es da schon debs für, oder ist es das gleiche wie der aktuelle mozilla-snapshot von unstable? http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.1a/#new Dort ist auch der mailclient weiter verbessert worden. ciao gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Gerhard Gaussling]: Habt ihr euch mal mozilla 1.1alpha angesehen, gibt es da schon debs für, oder ist es das gleiche wie der aktuelle mozilla-snapshot von unstable? Weiß nicht, aber in meinem Header steht: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 --- Könnte darauf hindeuten. cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:09:46PM +0200, Hartmut Figge wrote: Och, ist gar nicht soviel Arbeit. Die Sourcen sind nicht schlecht kommentiert. Das einzig Ärgerliche ist hier, daß die patches auf Anhieb funktionieren müssen, ohne Experimente, wegen der elend langen Compilier Zeit. Selbst xfree ging schneller, das hat nur 1h gedauert. Wenn man den Platz auf der Platte hat, kann einem ccache hier gute Dienste leisten: Package: ccache Description: Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles. -- marko schulz Diese Mail ist auf Grund von ideologischer Verblendung nach den Regeln der herkömmlichen Rechtschreibung erstellt. Wer verbleibende Fehler findet, darf sie behalten oder sammeln, bis sie ein Lösungswort ergeben. -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Marko Schulz]: Wenn man den Platz auf der Platte hat, kann einem ccache hier gute Dienste leisten: Resolving ftp.de.debian.org... done. Connecting to ftp.de.debian.org[141.76.2.4]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 19,542 [application/x-debian-package] 100%[] 19,54267.91K/s ETA 00:00 18:30:52 (67.91 KB/s) - `ccache_1.9-1_i386.deb' saved [19542/19542 Danke -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 23:31 schrieb Richard Beri: I tried the dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser and set the audio to none but mozilla was still crashing. Right now I have just disabled the kde artsd server altogether and mozilla is stable. Granted I have no sound in kde, but I can still play mp3's with xmms, and hear sound in movies in xine. So I go without the few beeps and whistles in kde, which I never use much anyway. What are the differences between esd and the artsd wrapper anyway? I think to simply disable aRts is not a real solution for bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85772 and http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339 . I am still fighting with the flash-plugin. I don't know much about the soundstuff yet, but I heard that esd is used by gnome and aRts by kde. I doesn't already removed all my mozilla-stuff to reinstall it. Can I simply do an rm -Rf /usr/local/mozilla-30.05 for my tarball-directories? Does anybody know about deb sources for mozilla 1.1alpha? http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.1a/ it comes with an enabled improved download-manager, speed improvements and a lot of new features. Could it be found in unstable? Or is it similar to mozilla-snapshot in unstable? gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 05:27:26PM +0200, Gerhard Gaussling wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 23:31 schrieb Richard Beri: I tried the dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser and set the audio to none but mozilla was still crashing. Right now I have just disabled the kde artsd server altogether and mozilla is stable. Granted I have no sound in kde, but I can still play mp3's with xmms, and hear sound in movies in xine. So I go without the few beeps and whistles in kde, which I never use much anyway. What are the differences between esd and the artsd wrapper anyway? I think to simply disable aRts is not a real solution for bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85772 and http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339 . Do you think this is related to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148219 which appears to related to some problem with flash and sound. The bug is not reproduceable by all. It still happens to me, starting from Mozilla 1.0rc3. -- René Seindal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.seindal.dk/rene/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 17:43 schrieb René Seindal: Do you think this is related to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148219 which appears to related to some problem with flash and sound. The bug is not reproduceable by all. It still happens to me, starting from Mozilla 1.0rc3. Hi René, I don't think so I just answered to that question in http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200205/msg04395.html If I use modprobe es1371 instead of alsa I got no problem. But I don't know much about the soundsystems. I noticed that alsa is more powerful. In future I want to use more soundapps. That's the reason why I'm interested in using alsa. ciao gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 10:43, René Seindal wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 05:27:26PM +0200, Gerhard Gaussling wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 23:31 schrieb Richard Beri: [snip] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148219 which appears to related to some problem with flash and sound. The bug is not reproduceable by all. It still happens to me, starting from Mozilla 1.0rc3. Not all of us have/want sound cards!!! -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Ron, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 19:35 schrieb Ron Johnson: Not all of us have/want sound cards!!! Of course! Is there a problem in this list to discuss soundcard-reated problems? I may misunderstood your arguement. regards gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Gerhard Gaussling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Hi Ron, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 19:35 schrieb Ron Johnson: Not all of us have/want sound cards!!! Of course! Is there a problem in this list to discuss soundcard-reated problems? I may misunderstood your arguement. Hes is/was trying to be funny/or a smart ass. Ignore it. -- It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 14:56, Wayne Topa wrote: Gerhard Gaussling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Hi Ron, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 19:35 schrieb Ron Johnson: Not all of us have/want sound cards!!! Of course! Is there a problem in this list to discuss soundcard-reated problems? I may misunderstood your arguement. Hes is/was trying to be funny/or a smart ass. Ignore it. I'm neither trying to be funny nor a smart ass, and was not arguing. One of the reasons that not everyone can replicate the original problem is because not all of us have sound cards... (My original response came before it was determined that it was a flash vs. sound issue.) It's also my opinion that this is as good a list as any to discuss Gerhard's flash vs. sound problems.) -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Ron, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 22:50 schrieb Ron Johnson: Not all of us have/want sound cards!!! Of course! Is there a problem in this list to discuss soundcard-reated problems? I may misunderstood your arguement. Hes is/was trying to be funny/or a smart ass. Ignore it. [...] and was not arguing. [...] It might be a problem of my english. I didn't meant arguement as a quarrel rather as an opinion or meaning, sice I didn't grasp what you meant. regards gerhard ps: I want first purge and reinstall my mozilla's - I got four, two tarball-installs -, before continue to discuss the flash-issue. Do you suggest to open then a new thread rather to continue here? I think so -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
I tried the dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser and set the audio to none but mozilla was still crashing. Right now I have just disabled the kde artsd server altogether and mozilla is stable. Granted I have no sound in kde, but I can still play mp3's with xmms, and hear sound in movies in xine. So I go without the few beeps and whistles in kde, which I never use much anyway. What are the differences between esd and the artsd wrapper anyway? I'm looking really for long time for a solution on that issue, without helpful results. You can search in several german mozilla and debian groups. I never received a fully satisfied answer. My last chance is to purge anything that has to do with mozilla, because I have at least 4 versions shoulder at shoulder (like the germans use to say :). After deleting all traces of them I'll gonna reinstall one mozilla 1.0 version with apt-get from unstable. There is a chance that the earlier installed tarballs desturb the method to avoid mozilla to grab for the esd or dsp (don't know exactly), provided by the deb scripts. Do you agree that this deals with the bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339 ? I'll gonna purge my mozilla's at the end of the week. So, hopefully we'll got an answer than. cu gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Dave, Hi folks, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 06:09 schrieb Dave Thayer: This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of problems with flash problems in the moz release notes. In particular, the flash plugin doesn't seem to share the audio device nicely. You're right, My mozilla and mozilla-snapshot crashes too on that site. I'm shure it's due to the flashplugin. But I'm still wondering why several people doesn't got problems with it, even if they use es1371 and alsa with flashplugin 5.0 r48 together, like me. I did a dpkg -reconfigure mozilla and choose artsdsp wrapper to avoid such crashes. But mozilla crashes nevertheless. Any clues? gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Gerhard Gaussling]: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 06:09 schrieb Dave Thayer: This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of You're right, My mozilla and mozilla-snapshot crashes too on that site. Welche Seite? cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Hartmut, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 20:04 schrieb Hartmut Figge: [Gerhard Gaussling]: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 06:09 schrieb Dave Thayer: This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of You're right, My mozilla and mozilla-snapshot crashes too on that site. Welche Seite? cu Es handelt sich um folgende Seite: http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com und um ein peinliches 'Versehen' meinerseits. Ich wollte natürlich in debian-user auf folgende Nachricht antworten #-) http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200206/msg01746.html shit happens... Wo wir gerade dabei sind: Ich benutze kmail, und habe festgestellt, dass ich bei den Identitäten immer das erste Wort des alias im Drop-down-menue bekomme, bei mir also Gerhard. Kann man dort nicht unabhängig vom alias den Eintrag im drop-down-menue 'Identität' einen Menue-Namen festlegen wie z.B. debian-user debian-user-german mit dem selben alias 'Gerhard' ? Oder wie geht ihr damit um? ciao gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Gerhard Gaussling]: Es handelt sich um folgende Seite: http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com Kein Absturz, aber auch kein Ton. Shockwave Flash 5.0 r47 Mozilla Snapshot von gestern, modifiziert mit 2 Patches von myself. 1.5h compilieren auf Thunderbird 900, grr, Zeit, daß der Hammer kommt. Höre mir gerade die Wizardry8 Musik an, mit obigem Plugin, dieses klappt also. und um ein peinliches 'Versehen' meinerseits. Ich wollte natürlich in debian-user auf folgende Nachricht antworten #-) http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200206/msg01746.html Das war offensichtlich ;) Aber Dein Schreibenglisch ist um Längen besser als meins. Gestern, bei einem Reply zu Alsa-User, habe ich mir 2 graue Haare geholt. Ich benutze kmail, und habe festgestellt, dass ich bei den Identitäten immer das erste Wort des alias im Drop-down-menue bekomme, bei mir also Gerhard. Kann man dort nicht unabhängig vom alias den Eintrag im drop-down-menue 'Identität' einen Menue-Namen festlegen wie z.B. debian-user debian-user-german mit dem selben alias 'Gerhard' ? Das müssen Andere beantworten. Zu Potato Zeiten hatte ich mir mal KDE backgeportet, auch speziell wegen kmail, weil ich endlich mein Netscape loswerden wollte, war unbeeindruckt und habe alles KDE'ische entfernt. cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Hartmut, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 21:58 schrieb Hartmut Figge: [Gerhard Gaussling]: Es handelt sich um folgende Seite: http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com Kein Absturz, aber auch kein Ton. Shockwave Flash 5.0 r47 Mozilla Snapshot von gestern, modifiziert mit 2 Patches von myself. 1.5h compilieren auf Thunderbird 900, grr, Zeit, daß der Hammer kommt. hmm... ich hab' hier auch nur 667Mhz, beim kompilieren fehlten mir früher (mandrake, suse, dld oder auch caldera) _immer_ irgendwelche dateien, header oder sonstwas. Die ersten kernel haben 8h gedauert auf einem 486dx33 (66?). Nach etwa zwei Jahren Linux-Abstinenz ist debian jetzt ziemlich neu, und ich entsprechend grün... Höre mir gerade die Wizardry8 Musik an, mit obigem Plugin, dieses klappt also. ^ Hab' ich mal wieder was verpasst? Ich möchte hier den thread 'flash': http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2002/debian-user-german-200206/msg00231.html der ja in den thread 'es1371 und flash war: Flash' gemündet http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2002/debian-user-german-200206/msg00474.html und in den thread '/etc/apt/preferences und newbie/distri Wirrwarr Re: Flash' ausgeartet ist http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2002/debian-user-german-200206/msg00840.html lieber erst dann wieder aufgreifen, wenn ich alle mozilla und profiles 'gepurged' und reinstalliert habe. Vielleicht geht's dann ja. Jedenfalls habe ich Dank der Liste, insbesondere Dank Uwe Kerstan und Andreas Well jetzt eine leise Ahnung von apt und co. Gut: scripten ist noch nicht drin (bastele immer noch an ein least-cost-routing mit pppd), aber langsam ist Land in Sicht. Ich bekomme eine leichte Idee von debian. [...] Aber Dein Schreibenglisch ist um Längen besser als meins. Danke, kann ich nur schwer einschätzen. [...] Ich benutze kmail, und habe festgestellt, dass ich bei den Identitäten immer das erste Wort des alias im Drop-down-menue bekomme, bei mir also Gerhard. Kann man dort nicht unabhängig vom alias den Eintrag im drop-down-menue 'Identität' einen Menue-Namen festlegen wie z.B. debian-user debian-user-german mit dem selben alias 'Gerhard' ? Das müssen Andere beantworten. Z Nur zu! Vielleicht habe ich mich aber ein wenig unverständlich ausgedrückt? cu u2 gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Hartmut Figge]: Mozilla Snapshot von gestern, modifiziert mit 2 Patches von myself. 1.5h compilieren auf Thunderbird 900, grr, Zeit, daß der Hammer kommt. Hatte im Vorfeld getestet, ob Patch 1 noch notwendig ist, hatte den Eindruck, alles ist in Ordnung und ihn weggelassen. Dann habe ich jetzt gerade ein Reply auf ein charset=ISO-8859-15 Posting verfasst, alle Euros und Umlaute gelöscht, und was macht mein Ferkel von Mozilla? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also den Patch wieder einbauen. Nochmal 1.5h compilieren. cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 22:33 schrieb Hartmut Figge: [Hartmut Figge]: Mozilla Snapshot von gestern, modifiziert mit 2 Patches von myself. 1.5h compilieren auf Thunderbird 900, grr, Zeit, daß der Hammer kommt. Hatte im Vorfeld getestet, ob Patch 1 noch notwendig ist, hatte den Eindruck, alles ist in Ordnung und ihn weggelassen. Dann habe ich jetzt gerade ein Reply auf ein charset=ISO-8859-15 Posting verfasst, alle Euros und Umlaute gelöscht, und was macht mein Ferkel von Mozilla? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also den Patch wieder einbauen. Nochmal 1.5h compilieren. cu Hallo Hartmut, Es handelt sich wohl um Deinen 'Mailclient-patch', den Du OT (meiner Meinung nach nicht wirklich OT) hier schonmal angeboten hast. Bei der ganzen Arbeit: wie wär's ein deb zu packen und inoffiziell anbieten? Bei mir würde es wahrscheinlich 2,5 h dauern, mal abgesehen davon, dass sich nach 2h herausstellen würde, dass irgendwas fehlt. Nur so eine Idee ;-) gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hallo Gerhard, Hallo Liste, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 21:28 schrieb Gerhard Gaussling: [...] Ich benutze kmail, und habe festgestellt, dass ich bei den Identitäten immer das erste Wort des alias im Drop-down-menue bekomme, bei mir also Gerhard. Kann man dort nicht unabhängig vom alias den Eintrag im drop-down-menue 'Identität' einen Menue-Namen festlegen wie z.B. debian-user debian-user-german mit dem selben alias 'Gerhard' ? ich weiß jetzt nicht genau was Du meinst, meinst Du das drop-down-menu was Du hinter Identität: siehst wenn Du eine Nachricht erstellst oder das drop-down-menu bei den Einstellungen? gruß andreas well -- Neu auf dieser Liste? http://dugfaq.sylence.net Neu mit debian? http://channel.debian.de/faq | http://www.debian.de/doc http://www.openoffice.de/linux/buch -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 22:52 schrieb andreas well: ich weiß jetzt nicht genau was Du meinst, meinst Du das drop-down-menu was Du hinter Identität: siehst wenn Du eine Nachricht erstellst oder das drop-down-menu bei den Einstellungen? Ja, Andreas. Aua, das tut weh! Ich habe gerade für debian-user eine neue Identität angegeben. Man wird nach einen Namen für die Identität gefragt, und ich hatte bisher immer 'Gerhard' eigegeben, weil ich dachte, es würde im mailheader als 'alias' bzw. 'name' erscheinen. In der Folge hatte ich für alle Identitäten 'Gerhard' 'Gerhard' 'Gerhard' 'Gerhard' usw. Blickt ja keiner mehr durch ;-) Den Mailnamen kann man nach einem 'Identität=debian-user=ok _|' aber immer noch eingeben #-) (ist also != 'Identität=debian-user'). Jetzt ist es so wie ich dachte, dass es sein sollte. Nun kann ich unter dem List-Ordner 'debian-user' rechts-klick Eigenschaften auch die Identität 'debian-user' wählen, so dass alles automatisch in die richtigen Bahnen läuft. Super! Danke für's auf die Sprünge helfen! ciao gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Gerhard Gaussling]: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 22:33 schrieb Hartmut Figge: Es handelt sich wohl um Deinen 'Mailclient-patch', den Du OT (meiner Meinung nach nicht wirklich OT) hier schonmal angeboten hast. Ja. Ist aber tatsächlich OT, da niemand das diff angefordert hat. Bei der ganzen Arbeit: wie wär's ein deb zu packen und inoffiziell Och, ist gar nicht soviel Arbeit. Die Sourcen sind nicht schlecht kommentiert. Das einzig Ärgerliche ist hier, daß die patches auf Anhieb funktionieren müssen, ohne Experimente, wegen der elend langen Compilier Zeit. Selbst xfree ging schneller, das hat nur 1h gedauert. deb's? Schau, habe den patch gerade eingebaut und dabei festgestellt, daß der fragliche Bereich eine Baustelle ist. Ohne Handarbeit ist wenig zu machen. anbieten? Bei mir würde es wahrscheinlich 2,5 h dauern, mal abgesehen davon, dass sich nach 2h herausstellen würde, dass irgendwas fehlt. Glaub ich nicht. Das Schöne an Debian ist ja die Paket Verwaltung, und für Mozilla gilt: Build-Depends: debhelper (= 3.0.0), liborbit-dev, zip, libjpeg-dev, libungif4-dev, libz-dev, libtiff3g-dev, patch, autoconf, libfreetype6-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, sharutils, gcc-3.0 [ia64], g++-3.0[ia64] Ich mach eigentlich nicht mehr, als das mozilla-source.tar.gz von upstream zu modifizieren, in den Debian Sourcen auszutauschen und das Paket ganz normal mit 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot -b' zu bauen. Fehlende Pakete werden gleich angemeckert, bevor das Bauen richtig losgeht. cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 23:09 schrieb Hartmut Figge: [Gerhard Gaussling]: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 22:33 schrieb Hartmut Figge: Es handelt sich wohl um Deinen 'Mailclient-patch', den Du OT (meiner Meinung nach nicht wirklich OT) hier schonmal angeboten hast. Ja. Ist aber tatsächlich OT, da niemand das diff angefordert hat. Hat aber vielleicht auch nicht soviel zu sagen. Vielleicht will keiner 1.5 h kompilieren, wo es ein beherztes apt-get install mozilla ja auch tut. Bei der ganzen Arbeit: wie wär's ein deb zu packen und inoffiziell Och, ist gar nicht soviel Arbeit. Die Sourcen sind nicht schlecht kommentiert. Na -- wieder neuen Lesestoff Das einzig Ärgerliche ist hier, daß die patches auf Anhieb funktionieren müssen, ohne Experimente, wegen der elend langen Compilier Zeit. Selbst xfree ging schneller, das hat nur 1h gedauert. gehen keine binary-patches *völliges Neuland: Ahnungslos* ? [...] Glaub ich nicht. Das Schöne an Debian ist ja die Paket Verwaltung, und für Mozilla gilt: Build-Depends: debhelper (= 3.0.0), liborbit-dev, zip, libjpeg-dev, libungif4-dev, libz-dev, libtiff3g-dev, patch, autoconf, libfreetype6-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, sharutils, gcc-3.0 [ia64], g++-3.0[ia64] wird das auch für ia32 gebraucht? Ich mach eigentlich nicht mehr, als das mozilla-source.tar.gz von upstream zu modifizieren, in den Debian Sourcen auszutauschen und das Paket ganz normal mit 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot -b' zu bauen. hm ... vielleicht später mal. Danke für die Vorlage. Fehlende Pakete werden gleich angemeckert, bevor das Bauen richtig losgeht. praktisch Der debianweg scheint ja wieder alle möglichen Fehlerquellen vorab zu analysieren und auszusieben. ciao gerhard -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
[Gerhard Gaussling]: gehen keine binary-patches *völliges Neuland: Ahnungslos* ? Bei meinem Netscape 4.79 mußte ich so vorgehen, da kein Source zur Verfügung stand. Mich hatte das ewige 'Vorname Nachname wrote:' gestört, wollte lieber, wie jetzt auch, ein '[Vorname Nachname]:'. War zu machen, ich war aber beschränkt auf den Platz, der im Binary zur Verfügung stand. Anderes Beispiel: Du schreibst ein hello.c, das 'Hello, World' auf dem Bildschirm ausgibt. Hier hat Du 12 Zeichen zur Verfügung, die Du mit einem Hex-Editor manipulieren kannst. Kein Problem, daraus ein 'Gruezi, Inge' zu machen. Falls Deine Freundin allerdings Waltraud heißen sollte, reicht der Platz nicht mehr. Das geht nur noch über Source- oder Freundin wechseln. cu -- hafi -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Mozilla 1.0
briliant didn't realise ximinan had done this. thanks! At 11:48 AM 6/11/02 +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 11:27, John Griffiths wrote: on the subject of moz, does anyone know of any debs for 1.0 suitable for potato? If you're talking about ready-to-install debs of Moz 1.0, you can check out Ximian GNOME's debs for Mozilla. Add the line deb http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian potato main to your /etc/apt/sources.list. If you're masochistic enough, you can always make debs from the source, though it might be a bit tough (Moz source unpacked goes up to 353MB), or from the binary tarballs. -- --paolo Paolo Alexis Falcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG KeyID 0xEADFF6F4 Tel# 6429577 Fax# 6429561 Mobile# 09174379283 ___ I think ideology sucks. This world would be a much better place if people had less ideology, and a whole lot more I do this because it's FUN and because others might find it useful, not because I got religion. -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:57:53PM -0400, Richard Beri wrote: Am I the only person getting Mozilla 1.0 to crash all the time in Sid? So many different pages it just locks up. I was having this problem with RC1-3 and thought that 1.0final would clear it up but it hasn't. Try http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com and thats just the tip of the This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of problems with flash problems in the moz release notes. In particular, the flash plugin doesn't seem to share the audio device nicely. HTH dt -- Dave Thayer | If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about Denver, Colorado USA | cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the time, for no good reason. - Jack Handey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 21:57, Richard Beri wrote: Am I the only person getting Mozilla 1.0 to crash all the time in Sid? So many different pages it just locks up. I was having this problem with RC1-3 and thought that 1.0final would clear it up but it hasn't. Try http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com and thats just the tip of the iceberg. I've tried deleting ~/.mozilla and starting fresh but this doesn't help. The worst part is that I can't just restart mozilla, and have to do a killall mozilla-bin Anybody else getting stability issues with Mozilla 1.0? 1.0rc3-1 is very stable on my system. What do I have to do to get radiocontrolledclock.com to crash mozilla? -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 21:57, Richard Beri wrote: Am I the only person getting Mozilla 1.0 to crash all the time in Sid? So many different pages it just locks up. I was having this problem with RC1-3 and thought that 1.0final would clear it up but it hasn't. Try http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com and thats just the tip of the iceberg. I've tried deleting ~/.mozilla and starting fresh but this doesn't help. The worst part is that I can't just restart mozilla, and have to do a killall mozilla-bin Anybody else getting stability issues with Mozilla 1.0? 1.0rc3-1 is very stable on my system. What do I have to do to get radiocontrolledclock.com to crash mozilla? I tried www.radiocontrolledclock.com in Mozilla 1.0 from Sid, and also on a Red Hat 7.2 system with the mozilla.org RPMs, and also under Windows using the mozilla.org installer. No problems whatsoever. I explored the site a bit, too; I didn't just look at the front page. The only sites I've seen that have trouble with Mozilla 1.0 are poorly designed sites that say they don't support Netscape 6, and in fact don't work all that well even with their recommended browsers, such as IE 5.5 or 6.0. Craig pgpc2zBrglQYj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 10:36:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 21:57, Richard Beri wrote:
Am I the only person getting Mozilla 1.0 to crash all the time in
Sid?
So many different pages it just locks up. I was having this
problem
with RC1-3 and thought that 1.0final would clear it up but it
hasn't.
Try http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com and thats just the tip of
the
iceberg. I've tried deleting ~/.mozilla and starting fresh but
this
doesn't help. The worst part is that I can't just restart mozilla,
and
have to do a killall mozilla-bin Anybody else getting stability
issues with Mozilla 1.0?
1.0rc3-1 is very stable on my system. What do I have to do to
get radiocontrolledclock.com to crash mozilla?
i'm not positive how to reproduce it, but i did figure out that
mozilla was blocking while trying to talk to esd. killing esd freed
it up and let it run. i've had trouble with esd blocking things up
before, especially gqmpeg, ogg123, mpg123 combinations when i try to
skip through songs quickly.
ok, further investigation...if esd is not running, mozilla's flash
plugin (which ultimately uses the java plugin?) tries to access it,
which starts it, then it gets stuck. killall -CONT esd gets it going
again. having esd running before mozilla tries to access it allows it
to check esd and move on without getting stuck.
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:16:48PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not positive how to reproduce it, but i did figure out that mozilla was blocking while trying to talk to esd. killing esd freed it up and let it run. i've had trouble with esd blocking things up before, especially gqmpeg, ogg123, mpg123 combinations when i try to skip through songs quickly. ok, further investigation...if esd is not running, mozilla's flash plugin (which ultimately uses the java plugin?) tries to access it, which starts it, then it gets stuck. killall -CONT esd gets it going again. having esd running before mozilla tries to access it allows it to check esd and move on without getting stuck. You can try to dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser to stop Mozilla from grabbing esd. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Please keep debian-user@lists.debian.org in Cc or To headers, so we can sort mail efficiently. Oleg On Tuesday 11 June 2002 02:16 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:09:11PM -0400, Oleg wrote: Please keep debian-user@lists.debian.org in Cc or To headers, so we can sort mail efficiently. Sorting mail on either of those is unreliable anyway. Using the X-Mailing-List: header works better for Debian lists. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Hi Dave, Hi folks, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 06:09 schrieb Dave Thayer: This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of problems with flash problems in the moz release notes. In particular, the flash plugin doesn't seem to share the audio device nicely. You're right, My mozilla and mozilla-snapshot crashes too on that site. I'm shure it's due to the flashplugin. But I'm still wondering why several people doesn't got problems with it, even if they use es1371 and alsa with flashplugin 5.0 r48 together, like me. I did a dpkg -reconfigure mozilla and choose artsdsp wrapper to avoid such crashes. But mozilla crashes nevertheless. Any clues? gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On 11/06/02 John Griffiths did speaketh: on the subject of moz, does anyone know of any debs for 1.0 suitable for potato? You might want to just grab the binary tarball from the Mozilla website. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix pgpV2TGl3Y0HV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mozilla 1.0
At 07:53 PM 6/11/02 -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 11/06/02 John Griffiths did speaketh: on the subject of moz, does anyone know of any debs for 1.0 suitable for potato? You might want to just grab the binary tarball from the Mozilla website. Mike Thanks Mike, I used the ximian debs to fine effect. my situation is a little unusual because I'm exporting X-apps from a server that has no X configured (to a playstation 2 running linux which has a great X but little else), I'm finding that installing the debs work well but a lot of compiles and tarred binaries are demanding details of an environment that isn't there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Interesting, you are right. If I kill the artsd sound server mozilla clears itself up and that page will load without a problem when I reload mozilla, if I disable the artsd (kde sound server). So the dpkg -reconfigure doesn't help? On June 11, 2002 03:30 pm, gerhard wrote: Hi Dave, Hi folks, Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 06:09 schrieb Dave Thayer: This page has a flash plugin in it. There are several mentions of problems with flash problems in the moz release notes. In particular, the flash plugin doesn't seem to share the audio device nicely. You're right, My mozilla and mozilla-snapshot crashes too on that site. I'm shure it's due to the flashplugin. But I'm still wondering why several people doesn't got problems with it, even if they use es1371 and alsa with flashplugin 5.0 r48 together, like me. I did a dpkg -reconfigure mozilla and choose artsdsp wrapper to avoid such crashes. But mozilla crashes nevertheless. Any clues? gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
People keep claiming that they are improving Mozilla and that it's not Slow-zilla any more, but it has always been my experience, regardless of Mozilla's version or hardware, that it is at least 2 or 3 times slower than other browsers (Netscape 4.7 on Linux and IE on Windows) My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on Windows. End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-) Oleg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on Windows. End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-) Oleg running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's faster stabler and better than anything else out there. call me a liar at your peril -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:12 pm, John Griffiths wrote:
My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones
and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up
for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on
Windows.
End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-)
Oleg
running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's
faster stabler and better than anything else out there.
call me a liar at your peril
Tell you what. When you are in Linux, do this:
mkdir ~/test cd ~/test
for f in `seq 1 1000`; do touch ${f}.html; done
Notice that `ls` takes no time at all (At least under Linux w/ ext2)
Then start up your browser (Netscape 4.77 or Mozilla 0.9.9 in my case).
Type file:///home/you/test in location, time!
--My results--
Mozilla - 9 seconds 13 seconds
Netscape - 3 seconds 3 seconds
(I repeated the whole experiment twice for each browser, starting them before
and shutting them down after the experiment)
HW: K6-2 550 w/ 256 MB (Java disabled in Netscape. Don't know about Mozilla -
whichever way it comes on Woody)
BTW, starting Mozilla also takes a while : 21 seconds
One could argue that the real test for browsers is rendering remote web sites
with some text and some graphics in them, but as I mentioned, it's also been
my (this time subjective) experience that Mozilla is several times slower.
Oleg
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(I repeated the whole experiment twice for each browser, starting them before and shutting them down after the experiment) HW: K6-2 550 w/ 256 MB (Java disabled in Netscape. Don't know about Mozilla - whichever way it comes on Woody) first problem, woody's version isn't close to the 1.0 release. BTW, starting Mozilla also takes a while : 21 seconds One could argue that the real test for browsers is rendering remote web sites with some text and some graphics in them, but as I mentioned, it's also been my (this time subjective) experience that Mozilla is several times slower. Oleg lynx beats them all for straight text. try nested tables, javascript, anigifs, and flash plugins on the same page. Thats when you find out what your browser's worth YMMV yourself, but my job takes me to these monstrosities all the time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks, this seems to work! . You can try to dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser to stop Mozilla from grabbing esd. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 03:53 schrieb Richard Beri: Interesting, you are right. If I kill the artsd sound server mozilla clears itself up and that page will load without a problem when I reload mozilla, if I disable the artsd (kde sound server). So the dpkg -reconfigure doesn't help? Hi, I'm looking really for long time for a solution on that issue, without helpful results. You can search in several german mozilla and debian groups. I never received a fully satisfied answer. My last chance is to purge anything that has to do with mozilla, because I have at least 4 versions shoulder at shoulder (like the germans use to say :). After deleting all traces of them I'll gonna reinstall one mozilla 1.0 version with apt-get from unstable. There is a chance that the earlier installed tarballs desturb the method to avoid mozilla to grab for the esd or dsp (don't know exactly), provided by the deb scripts. Do you agree that this deals with the bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339 ? I'll gonna purge my mozilla's at the end of the week. So, hopefully we'll got an answer than. cu gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:58 pm, John Griffiths wrote: lynx beats them all for straight text. try nested tables, javascript, anigifs, and flash plugins on the same page. Thats when you find out what your browser's worth YMMV yourself, but my job takes me to these monstrosities all the time. You didn't give your timing results (mine were 3 seconds vs 11 seconds for Netscape vs Mozilla) or offer benchmarks of your own (you can send me a big *.tar.gz if you want). I almost feel that my work on the 2-line bash script, and my sleepless nights of waiting for Mozilla to finally start up have been wasted... Yes Netscape crashes every few ours of casual browsing, and it probably lags behind in terms of standard-compliance, and it can not disable pop-ups, but Mozilla is so painfully SLOW, I lose all interest in what CNN has to say by the time the site shows up. Oleg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 03:51, Oleg wrote:
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:12 pm, John Griffiths wrote:
My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones
and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up
for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on
Windows.
End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-)
Oleg
running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's
faster stabler and better than anything else out there.
call me a liar at your peril
Tell you what. When you are in Linux, do this:
mkdir ~/test cd ~/test
for f in `seq 1 1000`; do touch ${f}.html; done
Notice that `ls` takes no time at all (At least under Linux w/ ext2)
Then start up your browser (Netscape 4.77 or Mozilla 0.9.9 in my case).
Type file:///home/you/test in location, time!
--My results--
Mozilla - 9 seconds 13 seconds
Netscape - 3 seconds 3 seconds
(I repeated the whole experiment twice for each browser, starting them before
and shutting them down after the experiment)
HW: K6-2 550 w/ 256 MB (Java disabled in Netscape. Don't know about Mozilla -
whichever way it comes on Woody)
BTW, starting Mozilla also takes a while : 21 seconds
One could argue that the real test for browsers is rendering remote web sites
with some text and some graphics in them, but as I mentioned, it's also been
my (this time subjective) experience that Mozilla is several times slower.
Feh. When Netscape 4.77 can do a fraction of the CSS that Mozilla can,
call me.
Until then it's a crufty memory-leaking slow-ass (just TRY loading a
huge thread on K5 or Slashdot with it) POS that randomly crashes on
complex layouts.
With dodgy CSS support.
Gecko is WAY WAY faster at drawing pages than just about any other
engine out there - maybe Opera beats it, but that's proprietary and
closed.
Netscape Navigator is history, and thank goodness for that.
Take care,
Peter.
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Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 03:51, Oleg wrote:
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:12 pm, John Griffiths wrote:
My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones
and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up
for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on
Windows.
End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-)
Oleg
running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's
faster stabler and better than anything else out there.
call me a liar at your peril
Tell you what. When you are in Linux, do this:
mkdir ~/test cd ~/test
for f in `seq 1 1000`; do touch ${f}.html; done
Notice that `ls` takes no time at all (At least under Linux w/ ext2)
Then start up your browser (Netscape 4.77 or Mozilla 0.9.9 in my case).
Type file:///home/you/test in location, time!
--My results--
Mozilla - 9 seconds 13 seconds
Netscape - 3 seconds 3 seconds
My system : p3 800, 256MB, ext3, IDE.
Timing: Mozilla 1.0 - 0.5sec.
Netscape - not installed.
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Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Etienne Gos wrote: On Saturday 08 June 2002 11:45, Pierre Machard wrote: Ajouter la ligne suivante dans /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://nonus.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ ./ Bonjour, suite à vos infos j'ai essayé de apt-get la version Mozilla 1.0. Mais je suis en debian potato, et j'ai l'impression que Mozilla 1.0 nécessite testing, voire instable, car le résultat est négatif. Ou ai-je mal compris quelque chose? Passer à Woody me semble la meilleure idée. Cette version est réellement dans l'ultime phase de gel. À mon avis le jeu en vaut la chandelle. a+ -- Pierre Machard [EMAIL PROTECTED] TuxFamily.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] techmag.net +33 6 681 783 65 http://migus.tuxfamily.org/gpg.txt GPG: 1024D/23706F87 : B906 A53F 84E0 49B6 6CF7 82C2 B3A0 2D66 2370 6F87 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Le lundi 10 juin, Pierre Machard a tapoté : suite à vos infos j'ai essayé de apt-get la version Mozilla 1.0. Mais je suis en debian potato, et j'ai l'impression que Mozilla 1.0 nécessite testing, voire instable, car le résultat est négatif. Ou ai-je mal compris quelque chose? Passer à Woody me semble la meilleure idée. Cette version est réellement dans l'ultime phase de gel. Pour installer un naviguateur ? À mon avis le jeu en vaut la chandelle. À mon avis non... -- Xavier Venient -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Pourquoi ne pas décompacter le .tgz dans /opt? Et faire un lien de /usr/local/bin/mozilla vers l'executabe dans le dossier d'installation? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paquet pour Links 2 (C'était : Re: Mozilla 1.0)
Le Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:13:29 +0200 Jacques L'helgoualc'h [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrivait : [...] Il y a des paquets moins lourds : sur un athlon 1.8 la compilation n'était pas finie au bout d'une heure, alors, sur mon p266... vive w3m ! À propos de navigateur ouaibe léger, j'ai fait un paquet pour Links 2, dispo. ici : http://dpt.tuxfamily.org/paquets-woody.html Des infos complémentaires à cette adresse : http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/ A++ Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Richard Beri wrote: Am I the only person getting Mozilla 1.0 to crash all the time in Sid? So many different pages it just locks up. I was having this problem with RC1-3 and thought that 1.0final would clear it up but it hasn't. Try http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com and thats just the tip of the iceberg. I've tried deleting ~/.mozilla and starting fresh but this doesn't help. The worst part is that I can't just restart mozilla, and have to do a killall mozilla-bin Anybody else getting stability issues with Mozilla 1.0? I just went to that page with no problems. I'm running Mozilla 1.0 on Sid, AMD 1GHz, 256 MB RAM. I noticed the page has some javascript; perhaps you should try turning on/off js in Mozilla to see if that has any effect. Another concern might be bad RAM. Two tests you might consider are memtest86 and compiling a kernel. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
on the subject of moz, does anyone know of any debs for 1.0 suitable for potato? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 11:27, John Griffiths wrote: on the subject of moz, does anyone know of any debs for 1.0 suitable for potato? If you're talking about ready-to-install debs of Moz 1.0, you can check out Ximian GNOME's debs for Mozilla. Add the line deb http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian potato main to your /etc/apt/sources.list. If you're masochistic enough, you can always make debs from the source, though it might be a bit tough (Moz source unpacked goes up to 353MB), or from the binary tarballs. -- --paolo Paolo Alexis Falcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG KeyID 0xEADFF6F4 Tel# 6429577 Fax# 6429561 Mobile# 09174379283 ___ I think ideology sucks. This world would be a much better place if people had less ideology, and a whole lot more I do this because it's FUN and because others might find it useful, not because I got religion. -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
georges mariano a écrit, samedi 8 juin 2002, à 22:54 : On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:19:02 +0200 Jacques L'helgoualc'h [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Je ne crois pas que ça vaille la peine maintenant de recompiler tous les paquets de Kitame pour la patate... à moins que... en demandant _très_ gentiment à Georges Mariano ? il n'est pas besoin de le demander _très gentiment_, je ne suis pas un ogre ;-) MAIS : ...mais tu as dit par ailleurs être occupé ce mois-ci ;) * la recompilation de paquets est _psychologiquement_ de plus en plus difficile car a) la tâche n'est pas simplifié par les mainteneurs qui visiblement n'imaginent même plus que potato est utilisée (le moindre truc à fénêtre exige xlibs4.0,...) Bon, la patate commence à germer... dans le cas de mozilla, ça ne me choque pas, c'est plus embêtant pour des services. b) qui par ailleur utilisent des paquets à peine stables pour construire des paquets (tout d'un coups des dépendances sur gcc3.0 apparaissent, libdb2 et libd3 jouent à je-te-tiens-tu-me-tiens, ...) À ce train-là, on peut se demander quand woody pourra s'appeler stable. Bref, sauf particularité technique [j'ai pas creusé], pour quelqu'un de motivé, ce doit être possible de recompiler mozilla 1.0 mais, effectivement est-ce que cela en vaut la peine ?. Il y a des paquets moins lourds : sur un athlon 1.8 la compilation n'était pas finie au bout d'une heure, alors, sur mon p266... vive w3m ! [...] Juste pour dire, ça me botterai de regarder à mozilla 1.0 (pour virer netscape ?;-) malheureusement je suis absent jusqu'au env. du 20 juin... La woody sera peut-être dans les graveurs... Si ça intéresse toujours quelqu'un à la fin du mois... Oh, moi je peux attendre septembre :) -- Jacques L'helgoualc'h -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Saturday 08 June 2002 11:45, Pierre Machard wrote: Ajouter la ligne suivante dans /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://nonus.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ ./ Bonjour, suite à vos infos j'ai essayé de apt-get la version Mozilla 1.0. Mais je suis en debian potato, et j'ai l'impression que Mozilla 1.0 nécessite testing, voire instable, car le résultat est négatif. Ou ai-je mal compris quelque chose? D'avance merci, Etienne madebian:~# apt-get -s install mozilla* Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Note, selecting mozilla-browser instead of ximian-mozilla-browser Note, selecting mozilla instead of ximian-mozilla Note, selecting mozilla-mailnews instead of ximian-mozilla-mailnews Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: mozilla-browser: Conflicts: mozilla-xmlterm ( 35:0.9.9-13.ximian.1) but 2:1.0.0-0pre 1v1 is to be installed mozilla-browser-snapshot: Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4) but 2.2.4-1 is to be installed Depends: xlibs ( 4.1.0) but it is not installable Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.1.4) but 1:1.1.3-5.1 is to be insta lled Depends: libnspr-snapshot4 (= 0.0.20020608.09.trunk-1) but it is not going to be installed mozilla-chatzilla: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) mozilla-dev: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) Depends: libnspr-dev (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) but it is not going to be insta lled mozilla-dom-inspector: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) mozilla-js-debugger: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) mozilla-psm: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) Depends: libnss3 (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) but it is not going to be installed mozilla-psm-snapshot: Depends: libnss-snapshot3 (= 0.0.20020608.09.trunk-1) but it is not going to be installed mozilla-snapshot-dev: Depends: libnspr-snapshot-dev (= 0.0.20020608.09.trunk-1) but i t is not going to be installed Depends: liborbit-dev but it is not going to be installed mozilla-xmlterm: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.0.0-0pre1v1) E: Sorry, broken packages -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Le Samedi 8 Juin 2002 12:17, Etienne Gos a écrit : suite à vos infos j'ai essayé de apt-get la version Mozilla 1.0. Mais je suis en debian potato, et j'ai l'impression que Mozilla 1.0 nécessite testing, voire instable, car le résultat est négatif. Ou ai-je mal compris quelque chose? D'avance merci, Etienne madebian:~# apt-get -s install mozilla* Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Note, selecting mozilla-browser instead of ximian-mozilla-browser Note, selecting mozilla instead of ximian-mozilla Note, selecting mozilla-mailnews instead of ximian-mozilla-mailnews Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Je ne sais pas trop à quoi correspondent ces packages mais avec les sources de ximain, je suis passé en 1.0 ce matin. Inconvénient des sources de ximian : tu es presque obligé d'installer tout le reste avec (mise à jour de Gnome). :-( -- Migrec -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0
Etienne Gos a écrit, samedi 8 juin 2002, à 12:17 : On Saturday 08 June 2002 11:45, Pierre Machard wrote: Ajouter la ligne suivante dans /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://nonus.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ ./ Bonjour, bonjour. suite à vos infos j'ai essayé de apt-get la version Mozilla 1.0. Mais je suis en debian potato, « non, Jeff, t'es pas tout seul... » et j'ai l'impression que Mozilla 1.0 nécessite testing, voire instable, car le résultat est négatif. Ou ai-je mal compris quelque chose? non :( [...] Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: [...] mozilla-browser-snapshot: Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4) but 2.2.4-1 is to be ___^^ patate $ dpkg -s libc6 | grep ^Version Version: 2.1.3-20 Je ne crois pas que ça vaille la peine maintenant de recompiler tous les paquets de Kitame pour la patate... à moins que... en demandant _très_ gentiment à Georges Mariano ? -- Jacques L'helgoualc'h, qui craint que sa patate ne passe pas l'hiver. (troll Je n'ai pas dit l'année.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0
Hi Bryan, Bryan K. Walton wrote: Now that Mozilla 1.0 has been released, and Debian 3.0 is stuck in a frozen state, is there anyway that we can sneak Mozilla 1.0 into the release? It would be a shame to release Debian 3.0 in the next couple of weeks and not include Moz 1.0. No way. woody is frozen. Rene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 13:38:52 -0500, Bryan K. Walton wrote: Now that Mozilla 1.0 has been released, and Debian 3.0 is stuck in a frozen state, is there anyway that we can sneak Mozilla 1.0 into the release? It is a virtual certainty that 3.0 will not be released with the mozilla that's currently in frozen; see http://bugs.debian.org/147969 . Whether that means it will ship with 1.0(.x) is something I don't dare speculate about. Ray -- Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering? I think so, Brain, but Snowball for Windows? Pinky and the Brain in Snowball -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0
J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 13:38:52 -0500, Bryan K. Walton wrote: Now that Mozilla 1.0 has been released, and Debian 3.0 is stuck in a frozen state, is there anyway that we can sneak Mozilla 1.0 into the release? It is a virtual certainty that 3.0 will not be released with the mozilla that's currently in frozen; see http://bugs.debian.org/147969 . Whether that means it will ship with 1.0(.x) is something I don't dare speculate about. According to a comment on DP.org, the security patches will be applied to the version currently in woody (0.9.9, I think) instead of uploading a whole new version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0
According to a comment on DP.org, the security patches will be applied to the version currently in woody (0.9.9, I think) instead of uploading a whole new version. What about non-security fixes? There was a lot of bug-fixing before 1.0... J. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeronimo Pellegrini) writes: According to a comment on DP.org, the security patches will be applied to the version currently in woody (0.9.9, I think) instead of uploading a whole new version. What about non-security fixes? There was a lot of bug-fixing before 1.0... I believe Takuo has been applying upstream bugfix patches he deems important all along (that being one reason why the mozilla in Debian has a different UA string from official mozilla). I've been using the nightlies since before I even started using Debian, though, and couldn't say what fixes are in the Debian version and which aren't. Here's the DP story... not much else to glean from there though. http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=685mode=threadorder=0thold=-1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
