Re: Thread dorked. (was: Re: System Dorked -- Help!)
On Wednesday 21 October 2015 18:39:45 d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: > Please confirm this is plain text :-) :-) I can read it now. Your OP was totally incomprehensible here too. KMail-Trinity. Combined with partial sight. Lisi
Re: Thread dorked. (was: Re: System Dorked -- Help!)
Gene Heskett composed on 2015-10-21 10:53 (UTC-0400): >> > > Quoting the relevant query: "So what can I do about this?" >> > > Send properly formatted mail, so it is legible ? >> > +1, this stuff isn't readable. Readable as in legible, yes, but an unintelligible mess, so not really readable. >> For the record, the HTML is somewhat more readable than the plain text. >> What might be the problem there? >> > X-Mailer: Oracle Communications Messenger Express >> > 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011) >> Yeah, that might be the problem. :) +1 > Same as the OP's email agent, but one of the other replies here is using > icedove, whatever that is. Debian debrands Mozilla products: 1: Ice <> Fire 2a: Weasel <> Fox 2b: Dove <> (Thunder)Bird (rv31.0) 2c: Ape <> (Sea)Monkey 2d: Owl <> (Ice)Owl iceweasel=Firefox https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel icedove=Thunderbird https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove iceape=SeaMonkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project#Iceape iceowl=Sunbird ibid. > So there are at least 2 problem children > here in terms of the email agents being used. I am on several other > mailing lists, and the use of the Oracle email agent seems to be a > fairly common problem. I'm on more than 70 mailing lists. I can't recall Oracle being a "common" problem, but it is nevertheless a problem as used by OP in this thread, and the Claws and Icedove responses compounded the problem. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Thread dorked. Was: Re: System Dorked -- Help!
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > as a bystander i must say that the involved mail clients > invest much effort in making this thread a mess. > > In the archives, the initial message is quite readable > but with seriously oversized lines: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg01079.html > > The two follow-ups by the original poster don't make it > better, but also not much worse. > > Then comes > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg01091.html > where Renaud's client obviously copied the previous text > in a way which, after running through the archive's web server, > makes my Iceweasel go mad. > Text snippets like > "pam ot gniyrT :lataF" > reveil their origin only if i read them backwards > "Fatal: Trying to map" > > My local mail client alpine shows the older texts as large > paragraphs with no line breaks and interjected ">" or "<". > Also there are placeholder characters for undisplayable UTF-8 > characters. > > My mailbox file contains stuff like > "=E2=80=AD=E2=80=AEMore:I installed to the" > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8, "E2" indicates > a three-byte character. > http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/utf-8.cgi?input=E2+80+AD=bytes > says its LEFT-TO-RIGHT OVERRIDE. > The other > http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/utf-8.cgi?input=E2+80+AE=bytes > is RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE. I deleted the original email because I couldn't be of any help. But I looked at Renaud's email after seeing your post. I read my emails on wheezy, and emacs there couldn't see anything odd. However, I transferred the file to my laptop where I've processed Hebrew text in music scores and am familiar with the bizarre (to Latin eyes) way the cursor moves in emacs. Sure enough, jessie's emacs displays a large chunk of Renaud's email "backwards" because of the RLOs. In mutt (both versions), the LRO/RLOs are displayed as blobs, but if I try to reply (which uses emacs), wheezy shows all the text LtoR whereas jessie reverses much of it. The apparent weirdness is compounded if you press return in the reversed text. Now the (new) paragraphs are no longer surrounded by RLOs so some of the text instantly switches to normal. (Not all of it: there are embedded marks at "An more:".) So the people with "a problem" may merely be those running more modern capable software. Where did the LRO/RLOs come from; well one might suppose that it could be connected with the OP's locale appropriate to residing in IL. Cheers, David.
Re: Thread dorked. (was: Re: System Dorked -- Help!)
I apologize for any unreadable gibberish. It does not look like that here, only in quoted replies from the thread. Due to the system dorked problem, I am stuck on the live distro. I can only sensibly due email from the provider's mail site. Those gt signs which are really what is fowling things up. HTML is marked up using lt tag gt. Line breaks are also being disrupted. If someone can plow through any of the version and help me solve my problem, it would be of great help. This should be plain text formatted. Mail composer highlights the "alternative" rather than actual option, it seems. Please confirm this is plain text :-)
