Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Stan Hoeppner put forth on 12/3/2009 6:57 PM: Mark put forth on 12/3/2009 4:33 PM: Curious if anyone has used something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119257 with Lenny. I have an old HP desktop running Lenny with 2 hdd: hda and hdb, using IDE connections, with hda jumper set to Master and hdb set to Slave. Currently hdb is 80 gb and ext3 format on hdb1 partition, with /etc/fstab having hdb1 mount into /wd80gb upon boot. My plan is to comment out that line in /etc/fstab, replace hdb with a 200 GB sata drive and edit /etc/fstab accordingly. Has anyone done something similar? Just wanted to get tips ahead of time in case Lenny doesn't like using one real IDE drive along with one adapted IDE drive. For the money and compatibility you're probably better off going with an actual SATA controller instead of that Frankenstein adatper. They're the same price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104219 I just ordered one of this PCI card and a 500GB WD drive for use in an old Intel 440BX system. The parts haven't arrived yet, so I can't testify yet to how well it works. However, the SiI 3112 is fully supported by libata and I anticipate no real problems. I still have to compile a new kernel with the SATA driver as I only have the PIIX IDE driver currently. I'll update this thread or post new as to if/how well it works. First, I found that my new PCI/SATA card is actually based on the SiI3512 not the 3112. Works just the same with the same sata_sil driver though. Had a few teething problems, as when I built a new kernel with libata support, I forgot to enable scsi_disk support. After figuring this out I rebuilt another kernel, and everything is now working flawlessly. Copied everything over using 'cp -a' a directory at a time, saving /var and other recent timestamp sensitive stuff for last. I didn't copy any of /dev over thinking the kernel would recreate all of it on the fly. The system failed to boot from the new disk, hanging with a could not open console warning. So, I copied /dev over and /proc, and that did the trick. The old drive is now disconnected from the system and everything seems just fine at this point, albeit with an extra 450GB I didn't have before and a nice speed boost. The new drive runs hdparm -t --direct at ~80MB/s. The old drive did ~8MB/s (never ran right in DMA mode). I'm very happy with this migration, and I'm glad I didn't go with an IDE/SATA adapter or just a 500GB IDE disk, as the onboard ATA chip would only do ATA/66. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Mark wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca mailto:monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Agreed, in case you have a choice, go for the SATA controller. OTOH, I use one of those frankenstein adapters in a small box (wl700ge home router) where the SATA controller is not an option, and it works just great for that. Well, the Frankenstein adapters don't work. hdd isn't recognized by BIOS no matter what configuration I use, even when it's the only hdd in the computer and I use Master or Cable Select. Sad I bought 2 of them and neither works with the circa year 2000 HP desktop. I can't use the PCI adapter unless it also has SATA power as my mobo doesn't have SATA power and my drives don't have the standard 4-prong power adapter. Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. Mark Most drives accept a four-wire-to-SATA adapter. Last dozen Seagate drives I bought had adapters. The main difficulty is the SATA-to-PATA converter. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Mark wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: Agreed, in case you have a choice, go for the SATA controller. OTOH, I use one of those frankenstein adapters in a small box (wl700ge home router) where the SATA controller is not an option, and it works just great for that. Well, the Frankenstein adapters don't work. hdd isn't recognized by BIOS no matter what configuration I use, even when it's the only hdd in the computer and I use Master or Cable Select. Sad I bought 2 of them and neither works with the circa year 2000 HP desktop. I can't use the PCI adapter unless it also has SATA power as my mobo doesn't have SATA power and my drives don't have the standard 4-prong power adapter. Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. Mark Hi, I'm using my old ide drives in pretty modern pc that has only sata. I both first one SATA-IDE adapter for about 5€ but then noticed that it was exactly the opposite I needed. Then I saw that there was IDE-SATA for about 30€. I bought this one and it worked, so could it be in your case, that you've got the wrong adapter? The problem is that SATA/IDE slots look the same on both ends, so mistakes are preprogrammed. If not then I would guess it is a bios issue. In the latter case no one can help. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: Agreed, in case you have a choice, go for the SATA controller. OTOH, I use one of those frankenstein adapters in a small box (wl700ge home router) where the SATA controller is not an option, and it works just great for that. Well, the Frankenstein adapters don't work. hdd isn't recognized by BIOS no matter what configuration I use, even when it's the only hdd in the computer and I use Master or Cable Select. Sad I bought 2 of them and neither works with the circa year 2000 HP desktop. I can't use the PCI adapter unless it also has SATA power as my mobo doesn't have SATA power and my drives don't have the standard 4-prong power adapter. Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. Mark
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Mark wrote: Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. Very obvious, I think :-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812104652 -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Mark put forth on 12/6/2009 3:44 AM: Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. You are. Hundreds of choices for SATA power adapters: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEDEPA=0Order=BESTMATCHDescription=SATA+powerx=0y=0 -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Glenn English g...@slsware.com wrote: .On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Mark wrote: Hmmm guess I'm stuck unless I'm missing something obvious. Very obvious, I think :-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812104652 So true. Today I found a PCI SATA adapter plus the power adapter at a local store and now Debian is back up and running with a bigger faster secondary (storage only) hard drive. Thanks all for the clunks over the head for the obvious things I was missing! Mark
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Rick Thomas rbthoma...@pobox.com wrote: For what it's worth, I have a number of old Macintosh (PowerPC) machines with similar configurations. Works at treat! -- Perfect, thanks Rick. In addition to my old HP box I recently brought a Mac G4 PPC back to life thanks to Debian and will need to do the same. Glad to know others have it working! On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: Agreed, in case you have a choice, go for the SATA controller. OTOH, I use one of those frankenstein adapters in a small box (wl700ge home router) where the SATA controller is not an option, and it works just great for that. --- No argument here, Stefan. The ultimate solution for me is to use only SATA drives in the future, but in the meantime while I'm mixing IDE and SATA on the same (old) mobo I'll probably stick with Frankenstein adapters until my trusty IDE drives fail which is hopefully many more years :). Thanks everyone for the feedback. Mark
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Mark put forth on 12/3/2009 4:33 PM: Curious if anyone has used something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119257 with Lenny. I have an old HP desktop running Lenny with 2 hdd: hda and hdb, using IDE connections, with hda jumper set to Master and hdb set to Slave. Currently hdb is 80 gb and ext3 format on hdb1 partition, with /etc/fstab having hdb1 mount into /wd80gb upon boot. My plan is to comment out that line in /etc/fstab, replace hdb with a 200 GB sata drive and edit /etc/fstab accordingly. Has anyone done something similar? Just wanted to get tips ahead of time in case Lenny doesn't like using one real IDE drive along with one adapted IDE drive. For the money and compatibility you're probably better off going with an actual SATA controller instead of that Frankenstein adatper. They're the same price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104219 I just ordered one of this PCI card and a 500GB WD drive for use in an old Intel 440BX system. The parts haven't arrived yet, so I can't testify yet to how well it works. However, the SiI 3112 is fully supported by libata and I anticipate no real problems. I still have to compile a new kernel with the SATA driver as I only have the PIIX IDE driver currently. I'll update this thread or post new as to if/how well it works. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
Stan Hoeppner wrote: For the money and compatibility you're probably better off going with an actual SATA controller instead of that Frankenstein adatper. They're the same price. -- Good point Stan; I have a handful of old IDE drives I use for running Debian (range from 10-80 GB) and large SATA drives just for storage that I want to keep as dedicated storage drives for data backup purposes, etc. I wonder how Lenny would deal with using the IDE host controller for the OS drive (hda) and the PCI-based SATA adapter (storage hdd) in your link? Would it get confused? Interested to hear your results when the parts arrive. Mark
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
For the money and compatibility you're probably better off going with an actual SATA controller instead of that Frankenstein adatper. Agreed, in case you have a choice, go for the SATA controller. OTOH, I use one of those frankenstein adapters in a small box (wl700ge home router) where the SATA controller is not an option, and it works just great for that. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Will Debian accept a SATA to IDE hdd adapter?
On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Mark wrote: Stan Hoeppner wrote: For the money and compatibility you're probably better off going with an actual SATA controller instead of that Frankenstein adatper. They're the same price. -- Good point Stan; I have a handful of old IDE drives I use for running Debian (range from 10-80 GB) and large SATA drives just for storage that I want to keep as dedicated storage drives for data backup purposes, etc. I wonder how Lenny would deal with using the IDE host controller for the OS drive (hda) and the PCI-based SATA adapter (storage hdd) in your link? Would it get confused? Interested to hear your results when the parts arrive. Mark For what it's worth, I have a number of old Macintosh (PowerPC) machines with similar configurations. Works at treat! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
